I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN today.
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My name is C.A. Murray
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and allow me once
again to thank you
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for sharing just a
little of your day with us.
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To thank you also for
your love, your prayers,
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your support of this ministry
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because we are
convinced and convicted that
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we could not do
what we are called to do
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without your partnership,
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so we thank you from
the bottom of our heart.
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Got a great story for you today,
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two good looking young people,
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there is a third little
baby that's part of this mix
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but he's not here.
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He's being
taken care of off-set.
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But David and Sarah Macomber.
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Macomber. Macomber.
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Macomber. Macomber.
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Praise the Lord.
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Macomber like month
of May and cucumber.
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That's right. Macomber.
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Praise the lord.
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That's what he
told, I didn't meant that.
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Great story.
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He is to give you
the punch-line upfront,
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a mission pilot and
she is a nutritionist.
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Pretty good combination
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when you think about
mission work in its totality.
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So we're gonna
unpack their story
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because we've got a lot to say.
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Nice looking
couple, 25, so still young
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and serving the
Lord very passionately
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in the country of Chad
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and that's really Central Africa
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because it's landlocked.
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I don't think you
have-- That's right.
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Yeah, it's kind
of in the middle.
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I know most of West Africa's
is kind of French speaking,
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East Africa is
kind of English speaking
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and you're kind of
tucked in the middle.
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Yeah, we're in the middle
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and in Chad we
got French and Arabic.
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Yeah.
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Now how's your Arabic?
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Not so good. No, no very so.
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But your French is?
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It is. Yeah.
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Now where did you
pick up your French,
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just out of curiosity?
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I was French and
Aviation Maintenance
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at Andrew's University.
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Okay.
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So I spent a year at Collonges
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studying at
Adventist school in France.
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And then I
finished of some classes
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so I can get a Major out of it.
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Yeah, praise the Lord.
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Now, when you think of
studying French and aviation,
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obviously you
had something in mind
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and the Lord said,
all is not right now.
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So He redirected your course
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and we're gonna talk
about that in just a little bit.
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Sarah, you are from?
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I am from New York originally
and I also went to Andrews.
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New York State of mind.
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Of course that's
where they got together
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we're gonna
talk about that also.
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Davis is from?
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Denver,
Colorado. Denver, Colorado.
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So how does Denver
meet Bath in New York?
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Andrew's University.
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We Praise the Lord for that.
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A lot of things to talk about,
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I think we'll go
through a music just now
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and then come back and sort of
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walk our way
through your stories
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because the ministry
is Africa Aviation Health.
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Now is that the
ministry you started
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or the ministry
that you are employed by
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or you're working for?
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That's our specific ministry
under the overall umbrella.
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All right, okay.
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Now I need-- I
need to do tell you
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ladies and
gentlemen, that what they do,
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they're volunteering right now
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and I'm gonna
take it upon myself
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to do a little pitch for
them a little bit later on
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because they
didn't come here for that,
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they came here to
tell you their story.
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But you've got
two young people, 25
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with a son whose name is?
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Joel.
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Joel, Joel.
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And that's not--
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that's something to consider
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and to keep, you know,
exhort in your back your mind
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as we talk about their story.
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But just now our
music is coming from
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our friend our
Pastor John Lomacang.
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He's gonna be
singing, "There is A Savior."
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There is a Savior
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What joys express
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His eyes are mercy
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His word is rest
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For each tomorrow
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For yesterday
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There is a Savior
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Who lights our way
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Are there burdens in your hearts
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Is your past a
memory that binds you?
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Is there a pain inside
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that you've
carried far too long?
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Well, strengthen your heart
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with His good news
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There is a Savior
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and He's forgiven you
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There is a Savior
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What joys express
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His eyes are mercy
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His word is rest
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For each tomorrow
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And for yesterday
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There is a Savior
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Who lights our way
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There is a Savior
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What joys express
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In His eyes are mercy
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And His word is fine rest
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For each tomorrow
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For yesterday
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There is a Savior
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Who lights our way
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There is a Savior
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Who lights our way
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And thank you,
Pastor John Lomacang,
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"There is A Savior" well done.
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My guests are
David and Sarah Macomber,
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currently of Chad
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and I guess Chad Central Africa,
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North Central Africa.
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I want to get back and
get some history on you guys.
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I think I will
start with you, David.
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We'll start from Colorado.
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Adventist family growing up?
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Yeah, my parents are both Elders
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in the Adventist church.
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Brothers and sisters?
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Two bothers, one sister.
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Sister is the oldest
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and I'm the
middle of the brothers.
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Oh, you are the middle kid?
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Yeah.
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There is much
literature on the middle child.
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The middle child
can go any kind of way
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because I'm the middle child.
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And interest--
just interesting studies
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being done on
the middle children.
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They can be the one
to really excel also
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and to go off on their
own and in their own thing.
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Growing up were you a good kid,
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rebellious kid,
kind of obedient kid,
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give us some little
flavor of your childhood.
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I was one of those
kids who tried to be good.
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Like I was-- I got very involved
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and everything that
I had in front of me,
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so I did music, I did sports,
I did all of these things.
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My sister actually
calls me Captain American
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because I did it all.
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But you know, like
every kid you have issues.
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But over, overall I
kind of got a feel for life
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and once I got a
feel for it I was good.
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So you had some
little wilderness time?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I think most of us do.
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Yeah, as-- little we do
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but never stratified.
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When did the idea of one on
one relationship with the Lord,
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when did that sort
of occurred to you?
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When did you sort of
move into that arena?
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Well, when it first happened
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I had just
graduated from high school
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and worked at a summer camp
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up in the mountains of Colorado.
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And I went into-- so I
was working as a counselor
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and ran into
some very difficult,
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weak situations with campus
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and I burned out
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and I just called
myself to take a break and say
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okay Lord, what's going on.
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And through
being in the mountains
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and talking with God,
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He-- He talked to me
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and we were able to get
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a little bit of
a connection there.
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And from that
point that really started
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and it grew into a
wonderful relationship.
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Was there a dramatic
change in your actions in life
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or kind of just a
stabilizing and settling down
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into what God wanted you to do?
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Stabilizing, settling down
and it took quite a process.
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Yeah, praise the Lord.
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It occurs when--
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and just trying
to connect to that.
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You didn't go out too far, I
mean, you weren't like drugs,
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hippie, wild kind of,
party kind of, that was not you?
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No. Right.
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So you stayed
pretty close to home?
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Pretty well, and most
of it was attitude issues
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rather than--
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Then acting
out. Then acting out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sarah, from Bath, New York.
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Adventist home I suspect.
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It was about 14,
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I was 14 when I really
even kind of heard about God
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and my parents they came to
the church at the same time,
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so we got to go
together spiritually--
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Praise the Lord.
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How was the
initial introduction?
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Through some church members,
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they gave us
Doug Batchelor series
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and we watched them in our home
and we found this to be true
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and we started
looking into our Bible
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and everything
lined up really well
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and we gave our heart
to God and got baptized.
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Now you're the only child?
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I have an older sister. Okay.
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If she's sort of
come onboard at same time?
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Yes. Yes.
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So everybody in the
pool at the same time.
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Praise the Lord. Yes.
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Were your parents seeking,
were they going church at all
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or just kind of a
radical shift in your family?
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My parents were
having a hard time
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just with their relationship
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and so my mom
decided to go back to church
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and she decided.
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My dad was raised Adventist
but he didn't go to church.
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And so she decided
to go to his church
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and so it was a Saturday
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and she was kind
of upset with him
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and then I went to church
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and my dad didn't
like that and then
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but the Lord worked on him
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and then again
somebody at the church
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gave us those DVD's,
so-- it's really cool.
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Praise the Lord. Praise God.
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So everybody came
back in the church?
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Now switching back to you,
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when did the idea of
this pilot thing happened
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and what were you
planning and doing?
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Because I think
it's kind of cool
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that you had this agenda
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that the Lord
kind of put a halt to.
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Sure. Yeah.
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Yeah, I grew up
always wanting to be a pilot,
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like from--
before I even remember
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my parents told me that
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I was still wanting
to fly even before then.
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So I always
wanted to be a pilot.
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And as I was working on it,
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I knew that's exactly
where I'm going with it
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so God opened the doors.
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I wanted to go
and be corporate pilot
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and flying over to Europe.
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So that's what kind of led me
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to learn French
as second language
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but then, you
know, God surprised me
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and called me
into the mission field.
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Yeah.
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So the going to Andrews
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was wanting to
facilitate your desire,
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your dream corporate pilot
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popping back and
fourth to Europe,
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speaking lot of
French, you know.
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Very cushy, very
nice, well paid, nice plan
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nothing wrong with that.
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We'll stop there.
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Sarah, your
degree is in nutrition.
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Dietetics. Dietetics, okay.
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Is that something
you always wanted to do?
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I was interested in it
around high school so yeah.
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Nutrition is
always been something
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that's been fascinating to me.
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Now Bath is not
your south of Rochester
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heading down towards Elmira.
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Not a big, big town,
not a tiny, tiny town
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but its up in the
mountains a little bit
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and very, very nice
not much to get into.
00:15:12.44\00:15:17.08
Well, I guess if
you want to get into
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you can get it in and tiny town,
00:15:18.65\00:15:20.22
but coming to
the Lord at age 14,
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I guess your, your
formative as you all say
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14 to 18, 14 to 20
pretty solid in the Lord?
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Well, before that
I was really younger
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and we got introduced to
the Sabbath through a church,
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so before I got baptized we're
going to church a little bit
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and I was
really active in sports
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and choir and
different things like that.
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And so we got a lot of
conflict with the Sabbath
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and so at that
point I had to decide
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and are we're going
to follow the commandment
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or am I going to play soccer
or anything like that or track.
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And I decided to
follow God's commandment
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and I mean that choice
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and after that I didn't play on
the Sabbath at all or anything.
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That's pretty heavy decision
for a young person to make.
00:16:12.83\00:16:15.40
Yeah, it was--
00:16:15.44\00:16:16.77
You felt good about it
that once you settled on that?
00:16:16.81\00:16:18.84
Yeah.
00:16:18.87\00:16:20.21
And you have
support of your family?
00:16:20.24\00:16:21.58
Yes, very much so.
00:16:21.61\00:16:22.94
Okay.
00:16:22.98\00:16:24.31
Were you
considering any other school,
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was Andrew's always
a kind of destination?
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I went to Southern for a
year before I went to Andrews
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or two years
before I went to Andrews.
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Okay, okay.
00:16:32.19\00:16:33.52
So you tell me you
guys met in your junior?
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Right.
00:16:36.86\00:16:38.19
You're junior,
you are junior also?
00:16:38.23\00:16:39.89
Yes. Okay.
00:16:39.93\00:16:41.66
Who spotted who first?
00:16:41.70\00:16:43.87
I think it was a mutual thing.
00:16:45.83\00:16:49.57
We were about the
lifeguards at the pool.
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So we went into
a group interview
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and I saw her and my
heart skipped a beat.
00:16:55.64\00:16:58.31
Really?
00:16:58.35\00:16:59.68
And she told me right
there that when she saw me
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and she looked to me and said,
00:17:05.45\00:17:06.79
oh no this is the
man that I'm gonna marry.
00:17:06.82\00:17:09.16
You know that's always
amazing that people say that.
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That didn't happen to me.
00:17:11.39\00:17:14.70
Mine was a little bit different.
00:17:14.73\00:17:16.06
But-- but you
said that from day one
00:17:16.10\00:17:18.43
oh, yeah, he is it.
00:17:18.47\00:17:19.80
So you knew?
00:17:19.83\00:17:21.17
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:21.20\00:17:22.54
Had you met him at all?
00:17:22.57\00:17:23.91
No. Okay.
00:17:23.94\00:17:25.27
What if you
turned out to be a jerk?
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That I want to marry him.
00:17:26.68\00:17:28.94
It's okay Lord, let's move to.
00:17:28.98\00:17:30.88
But you saw each
other at the interview,
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who made the first move?
00:17:33.42\00:17:34.98
Oh, I peruse her all out. Okay.
00:17:35.02\00:17:38.42
Praise the Lord.
00:17:38.45\00:17:39.79
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:39.82\00:17:41.16
Since you had that
thought in your mind,
00:17:41.19\00:17:43.99
were you receptive
to his maneuverings?
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Was that okay?
00:17:48.50\00:17:49.83
Well, I was dating at that time,
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so I wasn't quite--
00:17:51.23\00:17:52.97
So we had, we had
little stuff that eye and out.
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Yeah.
00:17:55.30\00:17:57.14
Yes, I thought oh, he
is the man I'm gonna marry.
00:17:57.17\00:17:59.31
I was like oh, no, that
he looks like my boyfriend
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now that's probably why.
00:18:01.84\00:18:03.51
But yeah, so it took a lot--
00:18:03.55\00:18:07.82
we worked together a lot
00:18:07.85\00:18:09.18
and he just became my
best friend essentially.
00:18:09.22\00:18:12.39
All right, which
is the Lord to do it,
00:18:12.42\00:18:13.92
yeah, to become good friends.
00:18:13.96\00:18:15.46
Yeah, it's kind of sticky
icky when you're dating somebody
00:18:15.49\00:18:18.19
and the guy you're gonna marry
is like standing over there,
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you know, kind of thing.
00:18:20.43\00:18:23.13
So you finished school
before you got married?
00:18:23.16\00:18:24.53
Right. Yes.
00:18:24.57\00:18:25.90
Okay, okay.
00:18:25.93\00:18:27.27
Now here's the thing.
00:18:27.30\00:18:28.80
You have this corporate
mindset what you're gonna do,
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you have a mindset
of what you're gonna do,
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in whose mind did the
whole mission thing first appear
00:18:35.18\00:18:39.08
and then how did you
work your way through it?
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Because that's a radical change
00:18:40.95\00:18:42.38
from what you were wanting to do
00:18:42.42\00:18:44.19
and I don't know what's
your long-term goals were.
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Had you thought about
mission work before, Sarah?
00:18:46.52\00:18:49.36
I had thought about it before
00:18:49.39\00:18:50.73
but I was definitely
wanting to get clinical work
00:18:50.76\00:18:54.50
and a background
and experience before.
00:18:54.53\00:18:57.10
Okay, okay.
00:18:57.13\00:18:59.13
Walk me through that those times
00:18:59.17\00:19:01.17
because somebody's
idea had to change.
00:19:01.20\00:19:03.87
We know the Lord was doing.
In fact, let's do it this way.
00:19:03.91\00:19:06.34
How did the Lord
change your mindset
00:19:06.37\00:19:09.14
because you got your
thing kind of planned out?
00:19:09.18\00:19:12.55
Corporate pilot, back and forth
to Europe, got this French,
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God says no, you are
gonna do something else.
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How did that occur to you?
00:19:17.42\00:19:18.99
Well, at Andrews University
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I had started my flight training
00:19:21.59\00:19:23.73
and as I was just
getting into my flight training
00:19:23.76\00:19:26.90
just about to
solo for my first time
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my instructor upon
decided that he was gonna go
00:19:29.36\00:19:32.17
as a student
missionary to Bolivia.
00:19:32.20\00:19:35.10
So he disappeared
00:19:35.14\00:19:36.47
and went to be a
mission pilot in Bolivia.
00:19:36.50\00:19:38.01
Wow.
00:19:38.04\00:19:39.47
And so moved on to
the next instructor
00:19:39.51\00:19:41.88
and a little bit
over a year later
00:19:41.91\00:19:45.41
he decided that he was gonna up
and be a missionary in Bolivia.
00:19:45.45\00:19:48.98
So he went there also.
00:19:49.02\00:19:52.35
Right about that time my
first instructor came back
00:19:52.39\00:19:54.96
and his fiance who
was my boss at the pool,
00:19:54.99\00:20:00.40
she kept on teasing me
00:20:00.43\00:20:01.76
oh, do you want to go
into the mission field?
00:20:01.80\00:20:03.37
Oh, no, no, no.
00:20:03.40\00:20:04.73
Like I don't feel
called into the mission field
00:20:04.77\00:20:07.10
that's a high call
00:20:07.14\00:20:08.47
and I don't want to put myself
00:20:08.50\00:20:10.51
somewhere where
God hasn't put me.
00:20:10.54\00:20:12.67
And she just kept
teasing me, he would tease me
00:20:12.71\00:20:16.01
and that was always my response.
00:20:16.04\00:20:18.85
But then senior
year God came along
00:20:18.88\00:20:21.35
and made His calling very clear.
00:20:21.38\00:20:23.39
Yeah, yeah, you
got to tell me that.
00:20:23.42\00:20:25.49
So-- yeah, we had mission pilot
00:20:25.52\00:20:28.76
from Bolivia, South
America all over the place
00:20:28.79\00:20:32.46
since South
America come up to Andrews
00:20:32.49\00:20:34.63
and do something
creative up there.
00:20:34.66\00:20:37.50
And as he was
presenting at our school
00:20:37.53\00:20:41.14
I just felt God's impression.
00:20:41.17\00:20:42.90
Hey, go and talk to this man.
00:20:42.94\00:20:45.21
So afterwards I approached him
00:20:45.24\00:20:49.84
and I said hey,
I know you're doing
00:20:49.88\00:20:51.55
a lot of work in South America.
00:20:51.58\00:20:53.72
I'm a French speaker,
00:20:53.75\00:20:55.85
there's not a whole lot
of places in South America
00:20:55.88\00:20:59.05
that speak French.
00:20:59.09\00:21:00.76
But do you guys have anything
in other parts of the world?
00:21:00.79\00:21:03.86
And so he gave me
the contact information
00:21:03.89\00:21:05.99
for Gary Roberts who was
the leading a project in Chad.
00:21:06.03\00:21:10.97
And he told me
00:21:11.00\00:21:14.64
try multiple times
to get a hold of him
00:21:14.67\00:21:16.60
and tired to get him
and I just keep trying
00:21:16.64\00:21:19.67
and I said God,
if you want us to go,
00:21:19.71\00:21:21.74
You have to have him
reply on my first email.
00:21:21.78\00:21:24.61
So I sent the email
00:21:24.65\00:21:25.98
and 24 hours later
he had already replied.
00:21:26.01\00:21:27.95
Okay, Lord is speaking. Yes.
00:21:27.98\00:21:29.32
Now, are you
married at this point?
00:21:29.35\00:21:32.59
No. No.
00:21:32.62\00:21:33.96
You are unmarried, okay.
00:21:33.99\00:21:35.49
But you're thinking
about getting married.
00:21:35.52\00:21:36.86
You're committed
to each other? Right.
00:21:36.89\00:21:38.23
Okay, so God is
rearranging your agenda.
00:21:38.26\00:21:40.73
You sharing this with Sarah?
00:21:40.76\00:21:42.83
Yeah, as soon as I done
talking with the mission pilot,
00:21:42.86\00:21:46.17
I went and talked to
Sarah and just told her
00:21:46.20\00:21:47.84
I think God is calling
me to the mission field.
00:21:47.87\00:21:50.94
And your response was?
00:21:50.97\00:21:52.31
I was excited, which and then--
00:21:52.34\00:21:55.68
but I really wanted to
place for me to be able to work
00:21:55.71\00:21:58.95
and then we prayed about that
00:21:58.98\00:22:02.58
and with the email that came in
00:22:02.62\00:22:05.52
it said we have a
nutrition center as well
00:22:05.55\00:22:07.56
and it worked out perfectly.
00:22:07.59\00:22:09.72
Yeah, couldn't be much better.
00:22:09.76\00:22:11.09
But you're not
ready to just take off
00:22:11.13\00:22:12.46
'cause you got to get
some time under you belt,
00:22:12.49\00:22:13.83
some clinical stuff.
00:22:13.86\00:22:15.20
So you're working your
way through all of that.
00:22:15.23\00:22:18.93
Were you going to go
as an official entity
00:22:18.97\00:22:24.71
or it was a volunteer
thing on a table at that point
00:22:24.74\00:22:28.04
or how was that working its way,
00:22:28.08\00:22:29.61
working itself out?
00:22:29.64\00:22:31.51
It was mostly I
volunteer situation.
00:22:31.55\00:22:35.38
The organization
that mission pilot
00:22:35.42\00:22:38.52
that they get work through
00:22:38.55\00:22:40.66
it's all based
on a volunteer basis
00:22:40.69\00:22:43.02
so from get go God called us
00:22:43.06\00:22:45.39
through that
organization so we went.
00:22:45.43\00:22:47.26
Was that scarcity --
00:22:47.30\00:22:48.63
because you're not picking
up down denominational credit,
00:22:48.66\00:22:50.97
you're not drawing a
salary you're two young people
00:22:51.00\00:22:54.24
then without baby I assume.
00:22:54.27\00:22:56.47
Yes.
00:22:56.50\00:22:57.84
You know, I'm doing a
finger thing, you know,
00:22:57.87\00:23:00.11
without baby
but you're going off
00:23:00.14\00:23:01.74
you're not going to Chicago,
you're not going to Los Angeles
00:23:01.78\00:23:04.75
you're going to Chad, you know.
00:23:04.78\00:23:06.92
This is different,
00:23:06.95\00:23:08.28
this is not what
you been accustomed to,
00:23:08.32\00:23:10.82
did that scare you at
all, was that daunting?
00:23:10.85\00:23:13.59
A ton.
00:23:13.62\00:23:14.96
Yeah.
00:23:14.99\00:23:16.32
And especially
with student loans
00:23:16.36\00:23:18.49
and everything
else that's all piled up
00:23:18.53\00:23:21.16
it was very
concerning but when you--
00:23:21.20\00:23:25.47
God had called us and
so because He had called us
00:23:25.50\00:23:29.00
we knew that He was
gonna take care of us.
00:23:29.04\00:23:31.07
You obviously both
shared with your parents,
00:23:32.67\00:23:37.21
what was their response?
00:23:37.25\00:23:39.55
They're really supportive
00:23:39.58\00:23:41.58
and they knew if
God is calling us there
00:23:41.62\00:23:44.55
then He will protect
us and take care of us.
00:23:44.59\00:23:48.49
And my mom grew
up as a student--
00:23:48.52\00:23:51.19
as a missionary kid in Nigeria.
00:23:51.23\00:23:54.56
So it kind of runs in
the family I would say.
00:23:54.60\00:23:58.67
It's kind of in the genes.
00:23:58.70\00:24:00.34
Okay, the big question.
00:24:00.37\00:24:03.84
Everybody has in their minds
00:24:03.87\00:24:05.84
an idea of
what's going to happen
00:24:05.87\00:24:07.81
and what it's going to be like.
00:24:07.84\00:24:09.34
Then you get
there less more the same
00:24:09.38\00:24:14.22
were you prepared
for what you found?
00:24:14.25\00:24:16.42
Give us some flavor
00:24:16.45\00:24:17.82
of what hit you
when you hit Chad?
00:24:17.85\00:24:21.66
Oh, mercy.
00:24:21.69\00:24:23.02
It was a very--
00:24:24.69\00:24:26.03
You hit Chad and Chad hit back.
00:24:26.06\00:24:31.63
Well, it was good and bad.
00:24:31.67\00:24:34.04
We weren't expect to
have toilet, we had a toilet.
00:24:34.07\00:24:36.17
Well, praise the Lord.
00:24:36.20\00:24:37.54
Bucket flush
but, praise the Lord.
00:24:37.57\00:24:40.38
No hole on the ground but
overall it kind of hit us.
00:24:40.41\00:24:46.21
We had this idea of
okay, we're gonna go out
00:24:46.25\00:24:49.65
and where
essentially gonna be campaign,
00:24:49.68\00:24:51.29
no electricity,
no running water.
00:24:51.32\00:24:54.36
But the idea never
substantiates to exactly
00:24:54.39\00:24:57.53
how you figure it to be
00:24:57.56\00:24:59.09
until you get
there and you realize.
00:24:59.13\00:25:01.00
We are living
without running water.
00:25:01.03\00:25:03.63
We are living with
very little electricity.
00:25:03.67\00:25:07.17
And then you know, we
don't have a refrigerator,
00:25:07.20\00:25:10.51
so we have to cook meals.
00:25:10.54\00:25:12.54
Every single meal on the fly
00:25:12.57\00:25:15.21
and all of that
stuff adding together
00:25:15.24\00:25:17.68
the heat 105,
110 degrees at times
00:25:17.71\00:25:21.28
with no air
conditioning, no way to escape.
00:25:21.32\00:25:25.59
And all of it kind of added up.
00:25:25.62\00:25:29.46
Even without
worrying about the programs
00:25:29.49\00:25:32.46
that we were supposed to be
00:25:32.49\00:25:33.83
a part of
everything else was adding up.
00:25:33.86\00:25:36.20
Did you find that discouraging
because both of you have
00:25:36.23\00:25:39.80
this missionary
energy and urgency?
00:25:39.83\00:25:42.54
You want to do this
but your faith with--
00:25:42.57\00:25:46.24
I mean, there are countries
you can go to be missionary
00:25:46.27\00:25:48.98
and live in a hotel.
00:25:49.01\00:25:50.35
You know, you go you
can teach English in Korea
00:25:50.38\00:25:52.78
and you know there's
all, but you are in Chad
00:25:52.81\00:25:54.68
and this is the
roughest of the rough.
00:25:54.72\00:25:57.25
Certainly, were there
times of discouragement?
00:25:57.29\00:26:00.26
Oh yeah, definitely.
00:26:00.29\00:26:02.66
It was really hard,
just adjusting to everything
00:26:02.69\00:26:07.23
because on top
of all the changes
00:26:07.26\00:26:09.83
from America to Chad,
00:26:09.86\00:26:11.53
then you have the
culture on top of that
00:26:11.57\00:26:13.20
and I didn't know any French.
00:26:13.23\00:26:14.80
So I was just relying on
him and then he had to go work
00:26:14.84\00:26:18.87
and so I would be at home
and trying to buy vegetables
00:26:18.91\00:26:21.64
and fruits and have no idea
00:26:21.68\00:26:23.98
and it's all different currency.
00:26:24.01\00:26:25.41
So it was very discouraging
at times, definitely.
00:26:25.45\00:26:30.12
From the time you
got married to the time
00:26:30.15\00:26:31.72
you landed in Chad was how long?
00:26:31.75\00:26:34.02
About 16 months.
00:26:34.06\00:26:35.96
Okay so, you're still
adjusting to each other?
00:26:35.99\00:26:38.56
Oh, yeah.
00:26:38.59\00:26:39.93
Yeah, and that's
been a interrupted
00:26:39.96\00:26:41.30
by this picky you up
00:26:41.33\00:26:42.76
and plopping you
down on the whole floor
00:26:42.80\00:26:44.27
and so you got this other layer
powdered on top of the fact
00:26:44.30\00:26:47.77
that you have--
00:26:47.80\00:26:49.47
Your first two
years of discovering.
00:26:49.50\00:26:51.37
So within that first two years
you're also discovering that
00:26:51.41\00:26:53.98
you're in a foreign country,
doing a lot of foreign stuff.
00:26:54.01\00:26:57.25
And you're making
stuff up as you go along.
00:26:57.28\00:27:00.52
I mean its not,
theirs is no road map,
00:27:00.55\00:27:01.88
there is no manual.
00:27:01.92\00:27:03.25
This is like
here you are, do it.
00:27:03.28\00:27:05.25
You know, now you got to do it.
00:27:05.29\00:27:07.92
What was your assignment
00:27:07.96\00:27:10.03
as far as your day to day
operations and activities,
00:27:10.06\00:27:12.59
what were you
called to do, asked to do?
00:27:12.63\00:27:16.06
Well, for me I came
in expecting that we fly
00:27:16.10\00:27:19.90
and doing mission work
or doing mission flying
00:27:19.93\00:27:23.87
and shortly after I
arrived the airplane broke down
00:27:23.91\00:27:28.34
and we had an issue
00:27:28.38\00:27:29.71
where it was
down for four months.
00:27:29.74\00:27:31.78
So because weren't do
anything with the airplane
00:27:31.81\00:27:34.08
and we turned to
construction doing construction,
00:27:34.12\00:27:36.99
building a house
for the workers there
00:27:37.02\00:27:43.46
and also dealing
with Bible school
00:27:43.49\00:27:47.53
with helping out our--
we've an Adventist hospital
00:27:47.56\00:27:52.03
just a mile up the road.
00:27:52.07\00:27:54.54
So helping them out
with maintenance issues
00:27:54.57\00:27:57.67
and kind of running around
and doing everything we could.
00:27:57.71\00:28:00.71
Okay, now that was
stuff you just took on in lieu
00:28:00.74\00:28:03.78
of what you are
supposed to be doing
00:28:03.81\00:28:05.15
because that was not available.
00:28:05.18\00:28:06.51
And I had no maintenance
experience at that time.
00:28:06.55\00:28:10.59
But you got some now. I do know.
00:28:10.62\00:28:14.56
Sarah, so what
are you doing now?
00:28:14.59\00:28:16.02
There's a hospital
there, are you working with them
00:28:16.06\00:28:18.19
or how are you managing?
00:28:18.23\00:28:19.79
We are about a
couple miles down the road
00:28:19.83\00:28:21.70
and there's a clinic
for malnourish babies.
00:28:21.73\00:28:23.63
Okay.
00:28:23.67\00:28:25.00
So, that was where I
was supposed to be doing
00:28:25.03\00:28:27.24
and there wasn't
enough staff to run it.
00:28:27.27\00:28:30.11
So we were still
doing it but it wasn't out
00:28:30.14\00:28:33.34
for running
capacity that I thought.
00:28:33.38\00:28:35.84
But even so it was good
00:28:35.88\00:28:37.21
because it was
like going from America
00:28:37.25\00:28:41.08
and dietetics in
America is obesity,
00:28:41.12\00:28:43.39
you know, you are
trying to fight all the way
00:28:43.42\00:28:45.72
and everything but
then you are in Africa
00:28:45.75\00:28:47.12
and you are trying to put it on
00:28:47.16\00:28:48.49
so it was totally
different mindset for me.
00:28:48.52\00:28:51.59
So the nutritional
aspect is much more emphasized.
00:28:51.63\00:28:54.33
Yeah.
00:28:54.36\00:28:55.70
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Praise the Lord.
00:28:55.73\00:28:57.47
Okay, we're in Chad
00:28:57.50\00:28:59.50
you're not sponsored
officially by any agency
00:28:59.53\00:29:01.77
so there's no
guaranteed check coming in,
00:29:01.80\00:29:03.71
you're hustling to do that.
00:29:03.74\00:29:07.31
How is that working out
for you at that point and time?
00:29:07.34\00:29:10.85
It was amazing.
00:29:10.88\00:29:12.45
Initially, when
we first showed up
00:29:12.48\00:29:14.95
we didn't have a whole lot
of financial responsibilities.
00:29:14.98\00:29:18.52
You know we were just
supposed to take care of
00:29:18.55\00:29:21.42
our food needs or water needs.
00:29:21.46\00:29:24.43
We have to add a little bit
with the project when we could.
00:29:24.46\00:29:28.00
But the majority of
financial responsibility
00:29:28.03\00:29:30.43
was on the project that
was already have been running.
00:29:30.47\00:29:33.64
Okay, now I want to stop here
00:29:33.67\00:29:35.07
and sort of just put a pin there
00:29:35.10\00:29:36.44
because what
you're saying is you--
00:29:36.47\00:29:38.41
you signed on with the idea
00:29:38.44\00:29:40.48
we're gonna take care
and support ourselves.
00:29:40.51\00:29:44.01
No one is gonna be
looking out for us,
00:29:44.05\00:29:45.41
there is not gonna be any
check coming from the States,
00:29:45.45\00:29:48.35
we're going over there
and do what we have to do
00:29:48.38\00:29:50.55
for the cause of
Christ and take care of us.
00:29:50.59\00:29:54.19
That was what
you-- you signed on for.
00:29:54.22\00:29:56.19
Did you realize the
weight of that decision
00:29:56.22\00:29:58.19
when you made it
or did you become
00:29:58.23\00:30:00.23
really, really
apparent once you hit the ground
00:30:00.26\00:30:02.60
and ground hit you back?
00:30:02.63\00:30:03.97
Some above.
00:30:04.00\00:30:05.33
Yeah. I would think so.
00:30:05.37\00:30:06.80
Yeah, I mean, we
would be living off
00:30:06.84\00:30:08.27
of a flight instructor
salary the year before
00:30:08.30\00:30:10.64
during the internship
which is very much minimal.
00:30:10.67\00:30:15.68
So we had already learned
00:30:15.71\00:30:17.58
that God is going to
take care of our needs.
00:30:17.61\00:30:19.15
Okay. Okay.
00:30:19.18\00:30:20.52
So you are kind of split down
00:30:20.55\00:30:21.88
with this fancy
lifestyle anyway?
00:30:21.92\00:30:23.25
Yeah, wouldn't in Chad though?
00:30:23.28\00:30:24.62
No. But it wasn't.
00:30:24.65\00:30:27.89
So you are doing
what you have to do,
00:30:27.92\00:30:31.06
soon or later that
plan does come online.
00:30:31.09\00:30:34.03
How does that change things?
00:30:34.06\00:30:35.76
Well, we started flying.
00:30:35.80\00:30:37.43
Yeah.
00:30:37.47\00:30:39.03
Like almost as continuously
after the plane wasn't off
00:30:39.07\00:30:43.91
its stopped and ready to go.
00:30:43.94\00:30:47.04
Gary Roberts our
pilot, our chief pilot and I
00:30:47.08\00:30:49.84
and one of our doctors
from the hospital there
00:30:49.88\00:30:53.38
we took a trip to
Cameron to try to help support
00:30:53.42\00:30:58.15
some of the Adventist
hospitals that are out there.
00:30:58.19\00:31:00.02
They currently
have no western doctor
00:31:00.06\00:31:02.46
because of
political and war situations.
00:31:02.49\00:31:06.03
So we spent a week
there and came back
00:31:06.06\00:31:08.43
and the same day
that we returned back
00:31:08.46\00:31:10.33
from Cameron we left
00:31:10.37\00:31:13.13
and brought our Bible school
director to a Bible training
00:31:13.17\00:31:18.87
that was going
on in another city.
00:31:18.91\00:31:20.38
We were there for
a week, flew him back
00:31:20.41\00:31:22.94
and things started to really--
00:31:22.98\00:31:25.11
Pick up a
little. Start picking up.
00:31:25.15\00:31:26.48
Praise the Lord.
00:31:26.51\00:31:27.85
So now that's how
you support yourself
00:31:27.88\00:31:29.22
flying, flying
missions for the hospital
00:31:29.25\00:31:32.22
or for doctors or for that--
00:31:32.25\00:31:33.76
Right. So you charge for that?
00:31:33.79\00:31:35.92
Actually it's all volunteer.
00:31:35.96\00:31:38.29
We do have some patients
00:31:38.33\00:31:40.50
so if I fly
someone to the capital
00:31:40.53\00:31:43.57
they will help
out with fuel cost
00:31:43.60\00:31:47.74
but overall that's our ministry
for those who are ministering
00:31:47.77\00:31:51.91
even more on the front lines
00:31:51.94\00:31:53.78
as we help to
subsidize that cost
00:31:53.81\00:31:55.98
so that they can do
more with their money.
00:31:56.01\00:31:58.81
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:31:58.85\00:32:00.75
You see me I tend to
keep coming back to this that
00:32:00.78\00:32:03.32
they are doing volunteer work.
00:32:03.35\00:32:04.99
There is no
guaranteed settled income.
00:32:05.02\00:32:09.32
If he does it a trip
its out of the goodness
00:32:09.36\00:32:12.46
of their heart if
they pick up their tab
00:32:12.49\00:32:14.76
or say well, praise the Lord
00:32:14.80\00:32:16.77
well, we are praying
for you kind of thing.
00:32:16.80\00:32:19.63
So Sarah, you began working
00:32:19.67\00:32:21.20
with the hospital
or with the clinic?
00:32:21.24\00:32:22.97
With the clinic.
With the clinic, okay.
00:32:23.00\00:32:25.57
Is there any remuneration
00:32:25.61\00:32:27.01
that comes from
working with the clinic?
00:32:27.04\00:32:29.04
No. Okay.
00:32:29.08\00:32:30.41
It's all 100
percent free for the mothers
00:32:30.45\00:32:32.81
and children that come in.
00:32:32.85\00:32:34.18
So it's-- so they will come in
00:32:34.22\00:32:37.09
and so they will get educated.
00:32:37.12\00:32:38.92
We don't want that
to be a barrier for them
00:32:38.95\00:32:40.76
so its 100 percent free.
00:32:40.79\00:32:42.76
Bless your heart.
00:32:42.79\00:32:44.13
See this is
this-- I'm impressed that
00:32:44.16\00:32:45.49
this is as frontline
as mission where it gets.
00:32:45.53\00:32:49.16
This is, this is
really, really out there.
00:32:49.20\00:32:52.27
Give me some sense and
our audience some sense
00:32:52.30\00:32:55.27
of how the Adventist
church is doing in that country?
00:32:55.30\00:32:57.61
In fact, let's go it this way.
00:32:57.64\00:32:59.51
What is the
predominant religion in Chad?
00:32:59.54\00:33:02.91
Chad is about 50 percent Muslim.
00:33:02.94\00:33:05.55
It's a very, very
middle of the road.
00:33:05.58\00:33:10.22
No, extremism on either side
00:33:10.25\00:33:13.62
but very middle
of the road Muslim.
00:33:13.66\00:33:16.89
There is maybe 30
percent who are Christian
00:33:16.93\00:33:20.60
and then 20 percent
who are some where else
00:33:20.63\00:33:24.80
either all traditional beliefs
00:33:24.83\00:33:26.70
that are still being
held or no beliefs at all.
00:33:26.74\00:33:29.94
Yeah, so from your vantage
point give me some sense now
00:33:29.97\00:33:32.67
of how the Adventist
church is doing in Chad?
00:33:32.71\00:33:35.78
Well, we have last figure I
saw it was actually was 2,442
00:33:35.81\00:33:41.98
members in the Adventist church
00:33:42.02\00:33:44.42
out of a population
of about 13 million.
00:33:44.45\00:33:47.62
Okay. Okay.
00:33:47.66\00:33:48.99
So just really towing
the water kind of thing.
00:33:49.02\00:33:50.73
It's not very well.
00:33:50.76\00:33:52.19
Well, the
hospitals and the doctors
00:33:52.23\00:33:54.93
that are working
the Adventist hospital
00:33:54.96\00:33:58.43
is it a good size
hospital, small hospital.
00:33:58.47\00:34:00.54
How is it and how is
it fairing at this point?
00:34:00.57\00:34:04.01
It's a pretty
good sized hospital
00:34:04.04\00:34:06.27
for where we are at.
00:34:06.31\00:34:07.78
We have about 100 beds.
00:34:07.81\00:34:09.34
Okay, that's decent size.
00:34:09.38\00:34:10.71
So decent size and its,
00:34:10.75\00:34:14.45
its got a great reputation
throughout the country.
00:34:14.48\00:34:16.28
So we have people from
two or three days travel away
00:34:16.32\00:34:20.06
and coming in to the hospital
00:34:20.09\00:34:21.52
just to get the
best care that they can.
00:34:21.56\00:34:24.03
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:34:24.06\00:34:25.43
We had Dr. Appel
here some months ago
00:34:25.46\00:34:27.26
when the Ebola outbreak
00:34:27.30\00:34:28.63
and that's another
kind of scary thing
00:34:28.66\00:34:30.17
because there was one
of the centers of Ebola.
00:34:30.20\00:34:32.40
How is the country doing with
that at this point do you know?
00:34:32.43\00:34:35.27
Chad was removed from the Ebola.
00:34:35.30\00:34:37.41
Ebola was more in West
Africa, Liberia and Sierra Leone
00:34:37.44\00:34:41.78
and thankfully there
is not much traveling
00:34:41.81\00:34:44.11
back and forth between the two
00:34:44.15\00:34:45.81
so Chad was
relatively untouched.
00:34:45.85\00:34:48.68
Great.
00:34:48.72\00:34:50.65
So most of the
work you are doing
00:34:50.69\00:34:52.02
then is with the
hospital, for the hospital
00:34:52.05\00:34:54.02
or with doctors or with pastors?
00:34:54.06\00:34:56.29
Walk me kind of through that.
00:34:56.32\00:34:59.29
It's in
corporation with the hospital.
00:34:59.33\00:35:02.00
The easiest way I
found to put it is
00:35:02.03\00:35:04.40
I'm there to support
the Adventist work in there.
00:35:04.43\00:35:08.20
So we've got the
hospital, the Bible school,
00:35:08.24\00:35:10.81
the mission itself,
the church organization
00:35:10.84\00:35:15.84
and just I'm there
to help in the Ebola
00:35:15.88\00:35:18.68
and get them around
00:35:18.71\00:35:20.75
to the various
parts of the country.
00:35:20.78\00:35:22.12
Okay, understood. Understood.
00:35:22.15\00:35:23.65
Sarah, give me some sense
of your day to day activities.
00:35:23.69\00:35:26.22
What does a average day
like for you in your work?
00:35:26.25\00:35:31.26
Well, it takes a
lot to make breakfast
00:35:31.29\00:35:33.06
and it takes a lot make lunch.
00:35:33.09\00:35:36.23
So a lot goes to home
work, work at the homes
00:35:36.26\00:35:41.97
but when I'm able to get out
00:35:42.00\00:35:44.57
then we at the center
we run two days a week
00:35:44.61\00:35:48.88
and if we are not at the center
00:35:48.91\00:35:51.18
then we are preparing
for the babies to come.
00:35:51.21\00:35:53.28
So what happens
mother comes in with her baby
00:35:53.31\00:35:57.85
and we weigh and measure them
00:35:57.89\00:35:59.69
and based on the WHO regulations
00:35:59.72\00:36:04.59
that on
malnutrition then we decide
00:36:04.63\00:36:07.73
if we are gonna accept
them into the program or not
00:36:07.76\00:36:09.83
and usually we accept babies
00:36:09.86\00:36:13.84
who are does the normal
growth chart of 5th centile
00:36:13.87\00:36:18.24
and that's really
well for I mean okay,
00:36:18.27\00:36:20.98
and then its three
standard deviations below
00:36:21.01\00:36:23.91
that 5th centile that
we accept those babies.
00:36:23.95\00:36:26.61
So they are extreme malnourished
00:36:26.65\00:36:28.98
and once we accept
them we educate them
00:36:29.02\00:36:31.95
and we talk about
the different foods
00:36:31.99\00:36:35.32
that they have that are cheap
00:36:35.36\00:36:36.69
and easy to use and prepare.
00:36:36.73\00:36:38.29
And that add
nutrients to the baby's diet.
00:36:38.33\00:36:41.56
And then we keep up
with them week by week
00:36:41.60\00:36:44.60
and we give them a formula
00:36:44.63\00:36:46.00
that is 100
percent local ingredients.
00:36:46.03\00:36:50.47
So like powder
milk, sugar and oil
00:36:50.51\00:36:52.74
and then we mix it
according to what their weight
00:36:52.77\00:36:55.38
and height is, their needs are.
00:36:55.41\00:36:59.21
Yeah, is it an inpatient
clinic or just a baby's days
00:36:59.25\00:37:02.98
and the parents go or
how does that work out?
00:37:03.02\00:37:05.79
Depending on how bad the baby is
00:37:05.82\00:37:07.22
we do inpatient but
usually its outpatient.
00:37:07.26\00:37:11.56
So they will come, we
will provide the formula
00:37:11.59\00:37:13.83
and teach them how to use it
00:37:13.86\00:37:15.20
and things like
that and send then out
00:37:15.23\00:37:16.56
and then they will
come back a week later.
00:37:16.60\00:37:17.93
Are you having
success with that?
00:37:17.97\00:37:19.30
Yeah, it's done really
amazing and its totally God
00:37:19.33\00:37:22.40
because like I said I
was educated and obesity
00:37:22.44\00:37:25.77
and things like that
and then I went there
00:37:25.81\00:37:27.41
and all right 100 percent of God
00:37:27.44\00:37:29.54
because its all
very new to me so.
00:37:29.58\00:37:31.68
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:31.71\00:37:33.05
American are
trying to keep them slim
00:37:33.08\00:37:34.42
and these ones you
are tying to put weight.
00:37:34.45\00:37:35.78
Yes.
00:37:35.82\00:37:37.15
Here you have
miracles that confirm
00:37:37.19\00:37:38.52
that God is in the work.
00:37:38.55\00:37:39.89
Walk me through
some of that stuff.
00:37:39.92\00:37:41.26
Give me some
good news about that.
00:37:41.29\00:37:43.46
Well, the first story
I'm gonna pass on to you.
00:37:43.49\00:37:49.50
There is this little boy
that came in, his name is Eric
00:37:49.53\00:37:52.57
and when he came in we
actually have a picture of him
00:37:52.60\00:37:56.54
and he was very malnourished.
00:37:56.57\00:37:59.57
He was again
below the 5th centile
00:37:59.61\00:38:02.98
and his mom came in.
00:38:03.01\00:38:04.35
He was very dry and he had fever
00:38:04.38\00:38:07.62
and she actually thought
the center was the hospital
00:38:07.65\00:38:10.85
and so I said, no.
00:38:10.89\00:38:12.35
But come back please
00:38:12.39\00:38:13.86
when you get
care at the hospital.
00:38:13.89\00:38:15.39
And she said, I can't.
00:38:15.42\00:38:16.76
I don't have any means to
pay for the hospital though.
00:38:16.79\00:38:19.69
And again like we
love to support our people
00:38:19.73\00:38:25.73
but it's hard
because 100 percent
00:38:25.77\00:38:27.57
of the center is free so we say,
00:38:27.60\00:38:30.21
you know what, God is big
00:38:30.24\00:38:31.84
and He can provide for your need
00:38:31.87\00:38:33.58
so I pray with
them and I tell them,
00:38:33.61\00:38:38.05
you know what, God can
actually take care of you.
00:38:38.08\00:38:41.48
And so it really gets
that experience for them
00:38:41.52\00:38:44.29
and see how God can
take care of their means
00:38:44.32\00:38:46.59
for paying for the hospital.
00:38:46.62\00:38:48.02
So she went to the
hospital and I was worried about
00:38:48.06\00:38:50.86
if she would come back
00:38:50.89\00:38:52.29
and I was praying
throughout the week
00:38:52.33\00:38:53.93
because for some reason
He really impressed me by--
00:38:53.96\00:38:57.90
Eric was just really
tiny so I just kept praying
00:38:57.93\00:39:01.87
and that week came by
00:39:01.90\00:39:03.44
and she didn't
show up or anything.
00:39:03.47\00:39:05.97
So I was
wondering if he even made it
00:39:06.01\00:39:10.18
or what happened to him.
00:39:10.21\00:39:13.05
And then we--
00:39:13.08\00:39:16.22
the next, the
following week came by
00:39:16.25\00:39:18.22
and he showed up and I
was-- he still look the same
00:39:18.25\00:39:21.06
but we weighed
him and measured him
00:39:21.09\00:39:24.66
and got him on the program.
00:39:24.69\00:39:26.19
Four weeks later he
had gained three pounds
00:39:26.23\00:39:28.63
but it was lot for him
00:39:28.66\00:39:30.00
and we have a
picture of that after
00:39:30.03\00:39:32.33
and you can see he
is totally different.
00:39:32.37\00:39:36.71
His face is still not
so much but three pounds.
00:39:36.74\00:39:38.91
Yeah.
00:39:38.94\00:39:40.28
He is actually able
to grow some hair too.
00:39:40.31\00:39:41.81
So it was really
cool. Well, praise the Lord.
00:39:41.84\00:39:44.68
All right, we are
looking at the before.
00:39:44.71\00:39:47.52
You can see a mark difference,
00:39:47.55\00:39:50.45
three pounds is I guess
on a little frame like that
00:39:50.49\00:39:52.92
three pounds is quite a lot.
00:39:52.95\00:39:54.29
Yeah.
00:39:54.32\00:39:55.66
Now let's go to
the second picture.
00:39:55.69\00:39:57.53
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:39:57.56\00:39:58.89
Oh, yeah. Very,
very mark difference.
00:39:58.93\00:40:01.00
Now, I got to
ask you a question.
00:40:01.03\00:40:02.36
I got to choose my words
here. Does that happen enough?
00:40:02.40\00:40:09.44
Are there enough successes,
00:40:09.47\00:40:10.87
are you making a
difference with that?
00:40:10.91\00:40:12.27
That's remarkable.
00:40:12.31\00:40:14.44
Is that happening in most cases?
00:40:14.48\00:40:16.11
It is happening
enough? Yes, it is.
00:40:16.14\00:40:18.78
It's really impressive
00:40:18.81\00:40:20.15
because when the
mother's come back
00:40:20.18\00:40:23.12
because it's an optional program
00:40:23.15\00:40:24.55
but when the
mother's come back it happens.
00:40:24.59\00:40:27.12
And you know, at
first I was like,
00:40:27.16\00:40:29.66
you know, are these
stories really true?
00:40:29.69\00:40:31.79
You know, you see
these malnourish clinics
00:40:31.83\00:40:34.16
but it is in--
00:40:34.20\00:40:35.53
I think it because God is there
and taking care of the babies.
00:40:35.56\00:40:38.73
Praise the Lord.
00:40:38.77\00:40:40.10
So if they, if they
will stay with the regiment
00:40:40.14\00:40:42.50
that you put them on
they are gonna have success.
00:40:42.54\00:40:44.74
They can reverse this thing.
00:40:44.77\00:40:46.11
Yes. Praise the Lord.
00:40:46.14\00:40:47.48
That must make you
feel pretty good, Sarah?
00:40:47.51\00:40:48.91
Yeah. It's really, really cool.
00:40:48.94\00:40:51.51
Yeah, let me at this point
wash over you just a little bit.
00:40:51.55\00:40:57.65
I'm very impressed of
what you guys are going.
00:40:57.69\00:41:00.49
I really am.
00:41:00.52\00:41:02.46
You go unsung,
unsalaried to a place
00:41:02.49\00:41:08.56
and you just
give of your service.
00:41:08.60\00:41:11.23
Are getting enough affirmation
that what you are doing
00:41:11.27\00:41:16.64
is will of God for
your lives at this time?
00:41:16.67\00:41:18.54
Are you convinced to that?
00:41:18.57\00:41:20.41
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:41:20.44\00:41:21.78
Yeah.
00:41:21.81\00:41:23.14
Yeah.
00:41:23.18\00:41:24.51
You know the path
isn't always easy.
00:41:24.55\00:41:25.88
Yes.
00:41:25.91\00:41:27.25
But God always leaves
some points that remind us
00:41:27.28\00:41:30.59
I'm here, I've got
you here for a reason
00:41:30.62\00:41:34.06
and keep on keeping on
as I really like to say.
00:41:34.09\00:41:41.66
And just
through that affirmation
00:41:41.70\00:41:44.67
and it's so rewarding.
00:41:44.70\00:41:46.33
We know without a doubt that
00:41:46.37\00:41:47.70
that's where God has put us
and that's the most exciting,
00:41:47.74\00:41:51.74
accelerating thing to
be in part of God's work.
00:41:51.77\00:41:54.54
I just and I've
done a fair amount
00:41:54.58\00:41:55.94
of interviews in my time here
00:41:55.98\00:41:57.91
I don't know if I
have done anything
00:41:57.95\00:41:59.31
that parallels this.
00:41:59.35\00:42:00.68
This is quite a sacrifice.
00:42:00.72\00:42:03.15
And God is gonna bless you
because that's what God does
00:42:03.18\00:42:06.99
and no sparrow
falls to the ground
00:42:07.02\00:42:09.66
without His notice
but you are out there
00:42:09.69\00:42:11.59
giving of yourselves
00:42:11.63\00:42:13.70
and God is
rewarding you with success
00:42:13.73\00:42:15.53
and we praise the Lord for that.
00:42:15.56\00:42:17.03
But it's really
for two American kids,
00:42:17.07\00:42:21.27
New York, Colorado
doing this for the Lord
00:42:21.30\00:42:25.37
in a place like Chad,
you know, God bless you both.
00:42:25.41\00:42:29.51
God bless you
both. Praise the Lord.
00:42:29.54\00:42:32.58
Are there any other
stories, you got one more
00:42:32.61\00:42:34.65
because I want
to make this pitch
00:42:34.68\00:42:36.22
but I want to
stick in the story here
00:42:36.25\00:42:37.85
before or before they
gonna turn on the camera
00:42:37.89\00:42:40.42
and kind of try to do
those something for you here?
00:42:40.46\00:42:44.23
One other story,
as we were working
00:42:44.26\00:42:47.33
on the aviation program
00:42:47.36\00:42:50.00
and Gray
Roberts got called away.
00:42:50.03\00:42:52.23
He had a death in his family
00:42:52.27\00:42:54.14
and tried to take
care of some other things.
00:42:54.17\00:42:56.40
And so it fell on me to
take care of the program.
00:42:56.44\00:43:00.28
And just because
of the transition
00:43:00.31\00:43:02.91
we didn't have a
good exchange of contacts
00:43:02.94\00:43:05.81
and all the
stuff so I didn't have
00:43:05.85\00:43:07.28
a whole lot of fun
when I was on my own.
00:43:07.32\00:43:09.72
And I was just praying Lord,
00:43:09.75\00:43:11.92
what am I
supposed to do with this?
00:43:11.95\00:43:13.36
You brought the
airplane here for a reason,
00:43:13.39\00:43:16.42
what am I
supposed to do with it?
00:43:16.46\00:43:18.99
And then
Christmas we just got back
00:43:19.03\00:43:23.23
from a Christmas
party at the hospital
00:43:23.26\00:43:25.70
and we see a car pulled
up right next to our compound
00:43:25.73\00:43:31.01
and I'm just thinking
oh, here are some junks
00:43:31.04\00:43:32.67
there messing
around this Christmas.
00:43:32.71\00:43:34.31
See everything is going crazy.
00:43:34.34\00:43:37.71
But they keep, they honk
and they honk and wait there.
00:43:37.75\00:43:41.65
They go leave and then come back
00:43:41.68\00:43:43.28
and honk so my
mechanic and I go out
00:43:43.32\00:43:47.16
to see what's up and
we find out it's a man
00:43:47.19\00:43:52.83
who is kind of the
American equivalent
00:43:52.86\00:43:56.46
to a county commissioner
from a village about
00:43:56.50\00:44:00.37
two and half, three hours away.
00:44:00.40\00:44:02.94
And he-- his son had been sick,
00:44:02.97\00:44:05.47
got healed at the hospital
00:44:05.51\00:44:06.84
and he heard about the Adventist
00:44:06.88\00:44:09.34
that were in the area
so he wanted to come down
00:44:09.38\00:44:11.98
and see who we were,
what we were all about.
00:44:12.01\00:44:15.35
We invited him back the
next day Christmas morning.
00:44:15.38\00:44:18.39
He came by and he was
looking at the airplane
00:44:18.42\00:44:21.39
and then said, wow, like
what do you with the airplane?
00:44:21.42\00:44:24.89
Do you do medical
flights like Medevac?
00:44:24.93\00:44:28.40
Well, we do some when
we have opportunity okay.
00:44:28.43\00:44:31.47
And he said, oh, wow,
like we would really need that.
00:44:31.50\00:44:35.64
And just talking
with him more we learned
00:44:35.67\00:44:39.87
that he is a Christian man
00:44:39.91\00:44:41.81
who is wanting to
bring Christianity
00:44:41.84\00:44:44.45
into a very animist
traditional religion area.
00:44:44.48\00:44:48.92
And so he asked us
like we need health,
00:44:48.95\00:44:52.32
we need Christ
and we need education
00:44:52.35\00:44:55.59
of any sort can
you help us with this?
00:44:55.62\00:44:58.66
So the call has gone out
00:44:58.69\00:45:00.06
and you know, we
are perfectly equipped
00:45:00.10\00:45:02.60
to meet all of those needs.
00:45:02.63\00:45:04.50
With the hospital we
have our nutrition center
00:45:04.53\00:45:07.70
and we also have a
community health program
00:45:07.74\00:45:10.27
based at the hospital too.
00:45:10.31\00:45:11.64
Incredible.
00:45:11.67\00:45:13.01
So all of those sync together
00:45:13.04\00:45:14.68
and then we have
the airplane to enable
00:45:14.71\00:45:16.64
and make the trip much shorter
00:45:16.68\00:45:19.58
so we can maximize that.
00:45:19.61\00:45:21.45
You sort of back
segued into my last question
00:45:21.48\00:45:23.89
and that is
that how has the name
00:45:23.92\00:45:26.15
of the standing of
the Adventist church
00:45:26.19\00:45:28.36
did increase or how is
it now given the fact that
00:45:28.39\00:45:31.19
you are doing these kinds
of things in a local community?
00:45:31.23\00:45:34.46
Well, it's very high.
00:45:34.50\00:45:37.53
The Adventist church
has a larger reputation
00:45:37.57\00:45:40.17
especially the
Adventist hospital
00:45:40.20\00:45:42.14
because its been
running for about 15 years.
00:45:42.17\00:45:47.04
Like you go through the capital
00:45:47.08\00:45:48.84
and the customs guy stops
00:45:48.88\00:45:51.05
and what to work
through your bags
00:45:51.08\00:45:52.41
and you just say oh,
I'm with the Bere hospital
00:45:52.45\00:45:54.55
and they say,
oh, okay, all right.
00:45:54.58\00:45:56.38
Oh, very good.
And they just relax.
00:45:56.42\00:45:58.02
Like people come from like
00:45:58.05\00:46:00.86
I said the east of the
country two or three days
00:46:00.89\00:46:04.09
on bus for our transportation
and they will come down
00:46:04.13\00:46:07.83
just to get the
didn't care at the hospital.
00:46:07.86\00:46:09.30
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:09.33\00:46:10.67
So there is some
positive social fall out
00:46:10.70\00:46:12.70
for one of the better term
because of what you are doing.
00:46:12.73\00:46:14.90
There are some, there
are some social equity
00:46:14.94\00:46:16.94
that you are building
up with the people there?
00:46:16.97\00:46:19.34
Has it resulted in
any essence to the faith
00:46:19.37\00:46:22.58
not that you are
tying to do that.
00:46:22.61\00:46:23.95
I mean, good people do good
00:46:23.98\00:46:25.31
because good is
what good people do
00:46:25.35\00:46:27.12
and if you get some baptism
you get it for that's gravy.
00:46:27.15\00:46:29.25
But you are doing good
00:46:29.28\00:46:30.62
because you are
called to do good.
00:46:30.65\00:46:33.36
Are we getting any
buddy coming to the church
00:46:33.39\00:46:36.19
because of this at all?
00:46:36.22\00:46:37.56
We do.
00:46:37.59\00:46:38.93
One of our-- one of the mother's
00:46:38.96\00:46:40.30
who came to the nutrition center
00:46:40.33\00:46:42.13
she passed
liaison to her village
00:46:42.16\00:46:47.17
and somehow we got one of our
00:46:47.20\00:46:50.04
Bible workers
out to that village
00:46:50.07\00:46:51.84
just start talking with
them and for the sake of time
00:46:51.87\00:46:56.91
I won't go into all
of it but our church
00:46:56.95\00:46:59.38
is blossomed in ground
and we have two Bible workers
00:46:59.41\00:47:02.05
working fulltime there now.
00:47:02.08\00:47:03.89
And the church has grown
00:47:03.92\00:47:05.29
into a very large
community of believers.
00:47:05.32\00:47:10.73
Praise the Lord. Praise God.
00:47:10.76\00:47:12.69
Praise God.
00:47:12.73\00:47:14.06
I want at this point to
go right to our address roll.
00:47:14.10\00:47:17.33
These are two
lovely young people
00:47:17.37\00:47:19.23
and their son who are
in Chad, Central Africa,
00:47:19.27\00:47:25.67
French speaking country
predominately Muslim country
00:47:25.71\00:47:28.81
lifting up the name of Jesus,
volunteering and working hard.
00:47:28.84\00:47:33.88
If there ever
was a ministry that
00:47:33.92\00:47:36.08
deserves now I use
that term your support
00:47:36.12\00:47:38.72
what you can do
for them this is one.
00:47:38.75\00:47:41.66
There are 25, they could be out
00:47:41.69\00:47:43.43
trying to trying to climb
the corporate ladder working
00:47:43.46\00:47:46.90
in the Adventist health systems.
00:47:46.93\00:47:48.70
He could be
flying back and forth
00:47:48.73\00:47:50.07
to Europe speaking French that
whole thing but they are not.
00:47:50.10\00:47:54.80
They are in Chad doing the
work of the Lord as volunteers.
00:47:54.84\00:48:00.21
Here is the contact
information that you will need.
00:48:00.24\00:48:02.11
Should you want to
00:48:02.14\00:48:03.48
and I pray that you
do support their work.
00:48:03.51\00:48:08.72
If you would like to
contact David or Sarah
00:48:08.75\00:48:10.82
or would like to
support their ministry
00:48:10.85\00:48:12.72
then you can write to
Africa Aviation Health,
00:48:12.75\00:48:15.79
PO Box 506,
Collegedale, TN 37315.
00:48:15.82\00:48:21.06
That's Africa Aviation Health,
00:48:21.10\00:48:23.57
PO Box 506,
Collegedale, TN 37315.
00:48:23.60\00:48:28.74
You can call 303-995-0980,
00:48:28.77\00:48:33.41
that's 303-995-0980
00:48:33.44\00:48:37.61
or email them at
davidmacomber27@gmail.com
00:48:37.65\00:48:44.49
that's davidmacomber27@gmail.com
00:48:44.52\00:48:50.79