I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C.A. Murray
and thank you for sharing
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just a little of
your day with us.
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Thank you for your
love, your prayers and support
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of Three Angels
Broadcasted Network.
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We've got a very
interesting program today.
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We're going to talk
about a specific ministry
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that targets a
population that is perhaps
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you'll probably
hear this throughout
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the broadcast underserved.
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I call these
ministries niche ministries
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because they are ministries
that target a particular area
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or segment of the population
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that maybe forgotten
about or that would go un-served
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if these
ministries didn't target them
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and if people didn't answer
the call of the Holy Spirit
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to deal with a specific group
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and bring the
love of Jesus to them.
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We've got a lot of guests
we want to go through them all,
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to my left Don, Don Hale.
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Good to have you here.
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Thank you.
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It's very good to be here also.
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Praise the Lord and to my right
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in the first chair
is his mom, Barbara.
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Barbara Hale, it's good
to have you here my lady.
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Nice to be here.
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Very, very good.
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Then Lord and Lady Kasznia.
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This is Eva and Bob,
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did I get the
name right, Kasznia.
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Yes, correct--
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All right, Bob and Eva Kasznia,
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they all attend the same church.
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Yes. Correct.
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Amen, and they are all involved
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in this ministry that is
called Tanglewood Ministry.
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Correct.
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And we're gonna talk
about how that happened
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where that names come from
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because this is the
very interesting story,
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lot of stories, under stories,
side bars, back stories,
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a lot of things going on that
became part of this ministry.
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Don is the team leader.
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We're gonna talk
about what that means
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and what you do.
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Barbara is the coordinator
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and in some ways
I guess the founder
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because we're
gonna talk about it also
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and then the health
nugget presenter is Eva
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and then Bob says he does--
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does whatever we ask them to do.
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But he's a team member
and plays an important part
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and we'll try to un-package
that story in a little bit.
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But before we go to our music,
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I want to just get a
little history on you guys
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because you've
got interesting story.
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Were you born
into an Adventist home?
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Yes, I was.
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Of course you were
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because your
mother is right there.
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Exactly.
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I was sure you
would say that she was--
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Get me just a
little flavor of your own
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because it's
one thing to be born
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Don into an Adventist home.
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It's another thing to
accept the Lord for yourself.
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Being born in Adventist
home doesn't make you Adventist.
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No, it doesn't.
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Nor does it put your
name in the rolls of heaven.
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Just 'cause you're
born in the Adventist home.
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When did Christ
become real for you
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on a personal level?
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Christ became real
actually more recently 2007,
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was when he came real to
me and my heart was converted.
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And it was from that
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where my whole
life turned around
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but it was the years of
going through the motions
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and you know being an Adventist
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whatever that means
going through the emotions,
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going to a church
outwardly showing the signs
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of being a part of
the body of Christ.
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But inwardly
rebellion was going on
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and it was only after the
Lord finally got a hold at me.
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Yeah.
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That he turned my heart to him,
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turned my life around
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and has done things
that just blow me away.
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Praise the Lord.
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Do you have
brothers and sisters?
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Yes, I have my
brother Greg, Brother Michael,
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I mean Sister Donna, excuse me
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and I do have two
half sisters also.
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Jasmine and also Clemia.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Talk to us a little
about because you were here
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several years ago
and our audience changes
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so very much.
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You are on a wheelchair
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and this not something
that you run away from.
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No.
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But give us just a
little flavor of that--
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that whole time,
that whole experience?
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I'm in the wheelchair
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because I have an
aircraft accident.
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I was involved in flying.
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I was doing a flight
training at Andrews University
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and went through
the aviation program
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and graduated from there
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but after I had
finished my formal training,
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I was given an opportunity
to fly what is called
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an ultra light aircraft.
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And this is recreational
one pilot experimental type
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of little aircraft and
I was given opportunity
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and at 22 I was like, yeah,
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I want to do this new challenge.
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But that day my
father had been there
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and he works for the
Federal Aviation Administration
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and he was doing
airport surveillance that day.
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And he saw the aircraft
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and the owner had been flying it
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and so he told me specifically
Don don't fly that aircraft.
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And I said, okay,
father I won't do it
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but inside I want
to fly this thing.
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And so that evening after work
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I was at the
airport and pulled it out
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and spend sometime on
the ground doing some taxing
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and just
getting used it control.
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And then when
the owner came there,
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he gave me some instruction
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as far as how I
should fly this thing
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and then set me loose.
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And so I went out to
the end of the runway
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said a prayer that is
custom to say a prayer
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and I prayed, Lord, be
my pilot and my co-pilot,
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and so I took off.
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And in this
particular ultra light
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it could be flown
also as a hand glider.
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So it has a push pull bar
that's attached to the wing
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and so to push
to in order to climb
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into the air you
have to push the bar out
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to come down you
will pull the bar in.
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Well, in an airplane
it's the exact opposite.
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You pull back on the control
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so that go up push in to go down
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and so that got
reversed in my mind.
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And so I took off like so
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but in my mind I'm
supposed to be doing this
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and so that's what I did
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and so I went up
probably about 75 feet
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and came down.
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Hit the ground and
suffered a spinal compression
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and that left me
paralyzed from the waist down.
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And that's been
my life ever since.
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Now you were an
accomplished pilot.
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You had your license,
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you knew what you're
doing on a powered airplane
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but it's counterintuitive
to go in ultra light.
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Yes, exactly.
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Having said that you
haven't let that stop you
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and we're gonna talk about that
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because you've got involved
in some other good stuff.
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Amen.
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Barbara, his mom and
we're gonna talk about this
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in just a little bit
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but you were in Oakwood College?
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I didn't finish Oakwood.
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But you did attend.
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Yes, I was not a
Seventh-day Adventist
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as a young person,
came to Elder Rainey,
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George Rainey's meetings.
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I know Elder
Rainey very, very much.
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I came to
Cincinnati, put up a big tent
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and because I was
dating a young man
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who play the piano every
night for 12 weeks or whatever--
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Yeah. We dated at the tent.
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You admit it. Praise the Lord.
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And at the end
of the tent meeting
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I was faced with a decision.
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Sure.
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And decided to become a member
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
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Amen.
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And in so doing
I lost my family,
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lost my job, lost my car.
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Yeah.
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And that sort of those things
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and church
family became my family.
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I lived with
brother and Sister Miller
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who were Bible workers
with Elder Rainey at that time
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and Father --, the
church decided that
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I needed to go back to school,
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I've gone to
University of Cincinnati.
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So they gave me $5, a
trunk with my belongings
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in it put me on a bus
and sent me to Oakwood.
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Sent you to
Oakwood. Bless your heart.
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I worked with Elder
Rainey again 12 weeks
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in Buffalo, New
York in the early '60s
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when he pit up a tent.
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He stayed there for a long time.
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Yeah.
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He started in the
summer and by time he was done,
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winter had set in.
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We had heaters in there,
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everybody is in their
coat and he's preaching away.
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He preached long there.
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They don't preach
quite that long anymore
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but back in those days--
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That was my
introduction to Adventism.
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Bless your heart.
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Yeah, he baptized 189
people in Buffalo, New York.
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Yeah, and quite
a few in Cincinnati
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the year I was a member.
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Yeah, Now, brother
and Sister Kasznia,
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we'll start with you.
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Eva, where are you from?
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Originally from
Idaho, born in Idaho
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but spent the
biggest part of my life
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in South Bend,
Indiana and grew up there.
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Okay, did you grow
up in Adventist home?
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No, I was born into a
very Serbian Orthodox Hungarian
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Catholic family and
baptize Catholic as a baby.
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And fortunately
enough probably 20 years ago,
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I started going to
a ladies Adventist,
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a ladies Bible study BSF
and-- I was always a questioner,
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even in the Catholic
Church I was told so many times
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by a priest, good Catholic girls
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don't ask these questions
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because I was always questioning
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the Sabbath and
different things.
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And so 15 years ago
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we came into
the Adventist church
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under Russell Burrill
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and been very
happy to know the truth
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and praising God
and feeling very good.
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I know Russell
Burrill very, very well.
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Now where you married
when you came into the--
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Oh, yes, oh, yes,
we have three children.
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Two daughters and a son.
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Our son is deceased,
but we have two daughters,
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yeah.
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Bob, from where originally?
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I was a Catholic for 65 years.
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And now I've been a
Seventh-day Adventist for 15.
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Bless your heart.
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And I've learned the truth.
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I've learned about
the State of the Dead,
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and it is just
such a wonderful feeling
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to understand that.
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Yeah.
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And when Russell
Burrill explained everything
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so well to us and
it's just a blessing
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to know that some of our
loved ones are not in heaven
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or they're not in
hell but they're asleep.
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In fact I wrote a
little poem for my mother
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when she died and I
said that I would pray
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for her till my dying day.
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And then before I even
became a Seventh-day Adventist
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undoubtedly the
Holy Spirit convicted me
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and I quit praying for I said
why should I pray for my mother
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if she's in heaven she
should be praying for me.
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Yeah, that's true.
That's the way it should be.
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So I mean, I've learned
a lot by reading the Bible.
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There are so
many things in there
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and I can understand
why we weren't encouraged
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to read the Bible
because there are sayings that
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in the Bible
that we're not taught.
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Yeah, and
particularly if you are a person
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who is a questioner
and just doesn't take it
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by road you kind of
want to know why is this--
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why do you say
that-- Let me ask you this.
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Coming to the Adventist
church so late in life,
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did the whole Sabbath Adventist,
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State of the
Death, Sanctuary thing.
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Did it was a kind
of slap in the face
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or did it you
kind of eased into it.
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No, it wasn't a slap in the face
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for the simple reason that
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once I read the Ten Commandments
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'cause I've never read
the Ten Commandments before.
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I went to parochial
school till the fifth grade
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and I knew about the flood
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and I knew about Joseph and that
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but I wasn't thought
that the fourth commandment
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was the Sabbath.
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I always thought
Sunday was a Sabbath
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so once I learned
we kept the Sabbath.
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And so I mean
there are so many things
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and I learned in the Bible about
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the health message in Leviticus
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and it's just something
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that is so
wonderful to read the Bible
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and learn this for yourself.
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It is. It is.
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It truly is.
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And I think that's what
keeps people the fact that
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it's not something
that you were just taught
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and to memorize, it's something
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that's in your heart.
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And when trials come,
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you've got
something to fall back on
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because you got a
relationship and that my lady is
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what we're gonna
talk to you about
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because you were
kind of the lynchpin
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for this whole thing.
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And it kind of all flows out
from a burdened that you had--
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a lot of stuff going
on all at the same time,
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we're gonna
connected -- with this
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because and God
often uses tragedy
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particularly
tragedy heaped upon tragedy
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to get his people to
move off of death center
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and do what he wants them to do.
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Let's go to our music
and then we'll come back
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and sort of unpack the
story 'cause I want to talk
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with you specifically Barbara,
and kind of get this thing
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whole scene started.
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Our music today comes
from Gayle Jones Murphy,
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great friend of this
ministry, great personal friend
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and she's gonna be
doing pray Prelude in G
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and Great is Thy faithfulness.
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Gayle kind of likes to
tie all these old things
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and new things together.
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She's a wonderful
piano, so wonderful singer
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and really a
great Christian friend.
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You're gonna
enjoy this. Be blessed.
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Amen and amen.
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Gayle Jones
Murphy, she loves to play,
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loves to sing, loves
to minister for the Lord
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and does so with the certain joy
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that is kind of infectious.
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Thank you so very, very much.
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My guests are
Don and Barbara what?
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Hales and Bob and Eva Kasznia.
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Kasznia stuck in my head
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I don't know why Hales doesn't,
but you're gonna guess me.
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But we're gonna talk
about Tanglewood Ministry.
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We need to go
back Lords and Lady
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and I sort of direct
this to you, Barbara,
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because a number of
things that are happening
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in the 2007, 2008 time
that really gave birth to this.
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Walk me through
some of this experience.
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We already know what happened.
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Now your accident was when, Don?
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What year? 1994.
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1994, so by this time
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you've kind of adjusted to that
and you're living your life--
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You're not home with
you mom, you were living...
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Cincinnati. In
Cincinnati, all right.
00:20:18.68\00:20:20.95
So some things are
beginning to happened
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in your life, Barbara.
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Walk us through
what's taking place now
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2007, 2008?
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Okay, well, Don
of course became ill
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which broke up his family
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and we
eventually brought him home
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and while he's home
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he's in and out of the hospital.
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And so of course
we're going-- my husband
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and I are going back
and forth to the hospital
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and then he has an
amputation of the first leg,
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and then he's in
rehab for 60 some odd days
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coming home on
the 8th of October,
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the 9th of
October, the very next day
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my husband is hit by a car
right in front of our house,
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lands on his head
because he was thrown,
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in a coma for 21 days and dies.
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And so we start
November with a funeral.
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And then, you know,
lot of things happened
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during that time, Don
is trying to recuperate,
00:21:16.57\00:21:19.07
I'm trying to
adjust being a widow.
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And a friend of mine moved
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into a retirement
facility for assisted living
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and I said, I got to
do something different.
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Don still in the
hospital, so I go visit her
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and just as I'm
leaving she says to me Barbara,
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I like this facility
but I miss going to church.
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And there is no Protestant
service nearby or here.
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And I hear myself saying
that's something I can do.
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Now I want to just put
a pin there for a second
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because I want to
look at the mass of things
00:21:50.91\00:21:53.38
that are swirling
around you at this time.
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You just lost your
husband well, a little bit ago,
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your son is in and out of stuff.
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I mean, he just lost one
leg and you got enough sanity
00:22:00.05\00:22:04.49
and enough Jesus to think about
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taking on
another task you know--
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Something different.
Yeah, to do something.
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Was it, was it that
you just wanted to do
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something different or did it
00:22:14.60\00:22:16.97
appeal to you particularly,
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were you working in
the church at this time.
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Give me some flavor
of your life, you know--
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No, I had been
going on Share Him trip
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once a year up to that
period and I had missed that.
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And I really wasn't
involved in the local church
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because of all it was
going on in our family.
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So I wasn't serving in
any offices at the time.
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But it was like,
you know, I can do this.
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Yeah.
00:22:41.36\00:22:42.69
And so the time
set was in the evening
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and you know, at 6
o'clock on Sunday evening
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we were watching 60 minutes.
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We can certainly give that up.
00:22:53.40\00:22:55.00
Right, so you know, it
doesn't mess up my Sunday
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because I have
always had, since kids
00:22:58.31\00:23:00.38
I've said
Sabbath is the Lord's day
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and Sunday is Barbara's.
00:23:02.48\00:23:04.58
So I really didn't
do a whole lot on Sunday
00:23:04.61\00:23:07.05
but by six in
the evening you know,
00:23:07.08\00:23:08.78
anything you
gonna do, you are done.
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You are done, sure.
00:23:10.22\00:23:11.55
So, you know, I
can give an hour.
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Did you know what you
were signing on for as far as--
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I didn't think so, yeah.
00:23:16.26\00:23:17.89
No.
00:23:17.93\00:23:19.26
Usually when the Lord
throws you in the deep end
00:23:19.29\00:23:20.80
like that you--
you swim on a fly.
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No.
00:23:22.73\00:23:24.07
So someone says I
want you to do this
00:23:24.10\00:23:26.10
and you say, I can do that.
00:23:26.13\00:23:27.70
So walk-- pick it up from there.
00:23:27.74\00:23:29.07
So with the activity leader
00:23:29.10\00:23:30.64
and she was
delighted to know that someone
00:23:30.67\00:23:32.51
would come every
Sunday night and do a service.
00:23:32.54\00:23:36.85
And so I went to the hospital
00:23:36.88\00:23:39.41
and he was getting
out of the hospital,
00:23:39.45\00:23:40.92
the Friday before Palm
Sunday and I said to him,
00:23:40.95\00:23:46.15
you got to get out of
here because we are gonna do
00:23:46.19\00:23:47.79
a church service on Sunday.
00:23:47.82\00:23:49.56
Okay, now I didn't
hear any request being made.
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Rather so, get out of hospital
because we got something to do.
00:23:52.39\00:23:54.56
Well, I told her is like
00:23:54.60\00:23:56.10
as long as you
preach that's fine,
00:23:56.13\00:23:58.20
I will do some
singing, I can do that
00:23:58.23\00:24:00.27
and we didn't have a
sound system at that time
00:24:00.30\00:24:03.00
but I told her I can
do the preliminaries,
00:24:03.04\00:24:05.21
I can lead out in song
service but she's got to preach
00:24:05.24\00:24:08.31
because I'm not a preacher,
at least not them I'm now.
00:24:08.34\00:24:11.68
But anyway so that was our,
00:24:11.71\00:24:15.58
that was our introduction
into ministry for singers.
00:24:15.62\00:24:20.92
Praise the Lord.
00:24:20.96\00:24:22.29
So now having done
some Share Him stuff
00:24:22.32\00:24:24.33
obviously standing behind
the desk is not a big deal.
00:24:24.36\00:24:25.79
No, it's not a problem.
00:24:25.83\00:24:27.16
So you've got
little handle on that.
00:24:27.20\00:24:28.76
But our mindset was one
that we are gonna do this
00:24:28.80\00:24:31.77
church service and
two, we are gonna plant
00:24:31.80\00:24:35.20
an Adventist
church in this facility.
00:24:35.24\00:24:37.71
That was the mindset
and the Lord had grown us
00:24:37.74\00:24:42.28
and show us exactly
what He wanted us to do.
00:24:42.31\00:24:44.85
Yeah, yeah, he does
want you to lift up His name.
00:24:44.88\00:24:46.21
So actually we'd been there for,
00:24:46.25\00:24:48.48
you know, we
started Palm Sunday,
00:24:48.52\00:24:49.88
we've gone through the month
00:24:49.92\00:24:51.25
and now on the first
Sunday he is coming up
00:24:51.29\00:24:53.36
and he is like
Barbara, these folk haven't,
00:24:53.39\00:24:55.42
many of them had
not had communion
00:24:55.46\00:24:57.33
since they had gone
to their churches last
00:24:57.36\00:25:00.50
and which could be
years or months or weeks
00:25:00.53\00:25:04.53
and so we got to
have a communion service.
00:25:04.57\00:25:07.50
Well, how do you
have a communion service
00:25:07.54\00:25:10.14
with two people,
one in a wheelchair
00:25:10.17\00:25:12.91
with no service perse
and so we called on Eva
00:25:12.94\00:25:18.48
who was our head
deacon and elder to our church
00:25:18.51\00:25:20.62
and they said we want
to do communion for Sunday
00:25:20.65\00:25:24.09
and would you help us?
00:25:24.12\00:25:25.45
So the plot thickens.
00:25:25.49\00:25:26.82
Let me ask you a question here.
00:25:26.86\00:25:28.19
Because you have given evidence
00:25:28.22\00:25:30.26
that you are a
bit of rebellious kid.
00:25:30.29\00:25:31.93
Yes. Okay.
00:25:31.96\00:25:33.29
Your mom kind of drops us on you
00:25:33.33\00:25:34.66
and mother step away kind
of turn in the screw without,
00:25:34.70\00:25:36.60
you know, just-- this
is what we are gonna do.
00:25:36.63\00:25:39.57
Well, you kind of
kicking and screaming doing this
00:25:39.60\00:25:41.80
or you kind of
settling into this?
00:25:41.84\00:25:43.20
No, I was settling in
but my mindset was that
00:25:43.24\00:25:46.68
this was her ministry,
00:25:46.71\00:25:48.11
I will just come
along and support.
00:25:48.14\00:25:49.98
Okay, okay.
Yeah, so it's her show.
00:25:50.01\00:25:52.71
She preaches, I
will just do music
00:25:52.75\00:25:56.58
and but I'm in the background.
00:25:56.62\00:25:59.05
Yeah, and that's
what it was supposed to be
00:25:59.09\00:26:01.79
but the Lord had other plans.
00:26:01.82\00:26:03.59
And so the name
Barbara, Tanglewood
00:26:03.63\00:26:05.56
comes from this
very first facility.
00:26:05.59\00:26:06.93
The name of the
facility was Tanglewood Trace
00:26:06.96\00:26:09.86
and it's located
on Tanglewood Lane.
00:26:09.90\00:26:12.50
I see.
00:26:12.53\00:26:13.87
So that's why we are Tanglewood.
00:26:13.90\00:26:15.24
Okay.
00:26:15.27\00:26:16.60
So Ms. Eva, you get this call.
00:26:16.64\00:26:18.87
What are you thinking?
00:26:18.91\00:26:20.38
Well, we thought we come once,
00:26:20.41\00:26:22.51
we were kind of involved
in another ministry in church.
00:26:22.54\00:26:26.08
And so I said to my husband,
00:26:26.11\00:26:28.95
let's go once and I
called the other couple up
00:26:28.98\00:26:31.25
and I said we are
gonna go help Barb and Don
00:26:31.29\00:26:33.25
and the woman
said, okay, you know,
00:26:33.29\00:26:37.93
and so once famous last
words, we are still there.
00:26:37.96\00:26:43.57
When she kind of
drop this on you, Don,
00:26:43.60\00:26:45.43
what's going through your mind?
00:26:45.47\00:26:47.44
He mean, Bob.
00:26:47.47\00:26:48.80
I said Don, I meant
Bob. Yeah, Don, Bob.
00:26:48.84\00:26:50.97
Right. That's fine.
00:26:51.01\00:26:52.61
I thought the same
thing that Eva did.
00:26:52.64\00:26:54.44
We would go
there, you know, one time
00:26:54.48\00:26:55.81
but once you go and
you meet these people
00:26:55.84\00:26:58.61
and you get involved in a
word and you see how involved
00:26:58.65\00:27:02.92
they are and how
its helping them,
00:27:02.95\00:27:05.49
you look forward to going there.
00:27:05.52\00:27:06.86
I know there has been times
00:27:06.89\00:27:08.89
for some reason maybe I
was sick or Eva was sick
00:27:08.92\00:27:11.46
that we couldn't
go and we felt lost
00:27:11.49\00:27:14.46
because we weren't
there to be able to help out.
00:27:14.50\00:27:16.90
I mean, Don and Barbara
do a lot of the preaching
00:27:16.93\00:27:21.10
and we have another
young man does the preaching.
00:27:21.14\00:27:24.61
So I'm not a
preacher but like I say,
00:27:24.64\00:27:26.44
if there is anything I
can do, I like to help up.
00:27:26.47\00:27:28.31
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:28.34\00:27:29.68
Now you said you were
involved in another ministry
00:27:29.71\00:27:31.05
so you're obviously
doing things in a local church.
00:27:31.08\00:27:32.75
You are the head
deacon? Yes, certainly.
00:27:32.78\00:27:34.58
Were you holding helping Bob?
00:27:34.62\00:27:37.12
Yes, I'm assistant
head deacon in our church.
00:27:37.15\00:27:39.49
Okay, so you are
not sitting down,
00:27:39.52\00:27:40.86
you are doing stuff?
00:27:40.89\00:27:42.22
Right. We try.
00:27:42.26\00:27:43.86
And this is added to--
Barbara I need to ask you,
00:27:43.89\00:27:47.76
you are coming into a facility,
you got one Adventist there
00:27:47.80\00:27:50.57
but what was the
general reception?
00:27:50.60\00:27:53.40
No, we don't have an
Adventist that we know about it.
00:27:53.44\00:27:55.80
The lady is a friend of mine
00:27:55.84\00:27:58.11
but she is not the
Seventh-day Adventist.
00:27:58.14\00:27:59.71
Oh, okay. I see.
00:27:59.74\00:28:01.58
And so the reception was well.
00:28:01.61\00:28:04.88
The first night we met we
had 30 residents who came.
00:28:04.91\00:28:10.32
And of course,
they didn't know us
00:28:10.35\00:28:12.52
and we didn't know them
00:28:12.55\00:28:14.36
and we are trying to do
this full fledge church service.
00:28:14.39\00:28:17.33
So you are doing a song service
00:28:17.36\00:28:18.69
and then praise God for more--
00:28:18.73\00:28:20.06
Praise God. We
are going to every--
00:28:20.10\00:28:22.80
No children's story but--
00:28:22.83\00:28:24.47
They are doing everything--
00:28:24.50\00:28:25.83
Yeah, no children story.
00:28:25.87\00:28:27.20
Except in offering.
00:28:27.24\00:28:28.57
Because we didn't
want their children
00:28:28.60\00:28:30.11
who most of them have
probably turned before.
00:28:30.14\00:28:32.84
We didn't want
them to think that
00:28:32.87\00:28:34.21
we had come to take their money.
00:28:34.24\00:28:35.58
To take money, sure. Sure.
00:28:35.61\00:28:36.95
So we have never
collected an offering.
00:28:36.98\00:28:39.55
Now it is kind of hard to
get that whole deal into--
00:28:39.58\00:28:42.58
You had an hour? Correct.
00:28:42.62\00:28:44.09
So you are
spending a lot of the time
00:28:44.12\00:28:46.35
just doing kind of
Adventist kind of things.
00:28:46.39\00:28:48.16
Yeah. Exactly.
00:28:48.19\00:28:49.52
Yeah.
00:28:49.56\00:28:50.89
And then it became apparent that
00:28:50.93\00:28:52.36
we needed to change the format.
00:28:52.39\00:28:54.20
You had to trim it down.
00:28:54.23\00:28:55.56
And so now the
service consists of,
00:28:55.60\00:28:58.00
they love to sing the hymns
so we spend time on the hymns,
00:28:58.03\00:29:01.87
we spend time in
prayer request and prayer.
00:29:01.90\00:29:04.21
Amen.
00:29:04.24\00:29:05.57
We spend time in special music
00:29:05.61\00:29:08.44
and Eva about three
times out of the month
00:29:08.48\00:29:12.38
would do a health nugget.
00:29:12.41\00:29:14.15
And then the main
portion is the word
00:29:14.18\00:29:17.99
and even with that
we-- the Lord has grown us.
00:29:18.02\00:29:21.59
Yes.
00:29:21.62\00:29:22.96
The challenges and you may
want to talk about them later
00:29:22.99\00:29:26.70
but oftentimes people aren't
00:29:26.73\00:29:28.23
very familiar with their Bibles.
00:29:28.26\00:29:30.83
The other
challenge was that we bought
00:29:30.87\00:29:33.20
what we thought
were a large print Bibles
00:29:33.23\00:29:35.17
that were at large print.
00:29:35.20\00:29:36.54
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:36.57\00:29:37.91
As I get older what
my definition of large
00:29:37.94\00:29:39.74
gets bigger and
bigger and bigger.
00:29:39.77\00:29:41.11
I just bought
one about a month ago
00:29:41.14\00:29:42.61
that it's a super giant print.
00:29:42.64\00:29:44.21
Yes, and that's
what we are using.
00:29:44.25\00:29:45.78
So we had to grow
into seeing enough
00:29:45.81\00:29:48.95
the first set of
Bibles that we bought,
00:29:48.98\00:29:51.62
we came to 3ABN in the
spring, met some folk here
00:29:51.65\00:29:56.52
and we are just
sharing what we were doing
00:29:56.56\00:29:58.79
and they gave us $200
toward our first set of Bibles.
00:29:58.83\00:30:03.37
Praise God.
00:30:03.40\00:30:04.73
And that was the beginning.
00:30:04.77\00:30:06.27
Since then our church
have switched with us.
00:30:06.30\00:30:10.41
They bought larger print Bibles
00:30:10.44\00:30:12.47
and we have given
them the original Bibles.
00:30:12.51\00:30:15.81
And so now we have
the biggest printed Bibles
00:30:15.84\00:30:18.58
that you can get and
they are really heavy.
00:30:18.61\00:30:21.28
Yes. Yes.
00:30:21.32\00:30:22.65
So which has
presented some other challenges.
00:30:22.68\00:30:24.49
So when we do our church service
00:30:24.52\00:30:26.65
we have a table in
front of the residence,
00:30:26.69\00:30:29.62
so that they don't have
to hold this heavy Bibles.
00:30:29.66\00:30:32.73
Yeah, my newest one that
I got about two months ago
00:30:32.76\00:30:35.60
now it's weighty.
00:30:35.63\00:30:37.17
I only use it on
the pulpit on Sabbath
00:30:37.20\00:30:38.93
because I need to
catch, you know, quicker.
00:30:38.97\00:30:40.30
My study Bible is--
00:30:40.34\00:30:42.07
I wear glasses and
struggle a little bit.
00:30:42.10\00:30:43.67
I wanted to ask you,
Eva, you are in a facility
00:30:43.71\00:30:47.21
they don't
always have control over
00:30:47.24\00:30:49.38
what they are eating
or what's put before them.
00:30:49.41\00:30:51.41
What are the kinds
of-- how do you structure
00:30:51.45\00:30:53.55
your health nuggets to
be of value to that group?
00:30:53.58\00:30:57.32
I did focusing, excuse me--
00:30:57.35\00:30:59.35
I did focusing on
more or less the breathing
00:30:59.39\00:31:02.62
because we've had several people
00:31:02.66\00:31:04.46
that have come up
00:31:04.49\00:31:05.83
and had gone to the
hospital with pneumonia.
00:31:05.86\00:31:08.80
And so I had learned
that by taking deep breathes
00:31:08.83\00:31:12.57
and I say smell a
rose and blow out a candle
00:31:12.60\00:31:15.97
and the people just love it
00:31:16.00\00:31:17.87
and they say, keep reminding us.
00:31:17.91\00:31:20.31
They sent one gentleman
who was having pneumonia
00:31:20.34\00:31:23.61
quite often in the
hospital came to me
00:31:23.65\00:31:25.65
and said, Eva, I have
to tell you something.
00:31:25.68\00:31:27.78
And I said what, Larry?
00:31:27.82\00:31:29.15
And he said, I
haven't had pneumonia
00:31:29.18\00:31:30.89
and my doctor told me
my lungs are the clearest
00:31:30.92\00:31:32.79
they have ever been.
00:31:32.82\00:31:34.16
And then we tell them
to exercise their arms
00:31:34.19\00:31:36.52
and their legs, you
know, and I tell them
00:31:36.56\00:31:39.49
if you can walk, walk the halls,
00:31:39.53\00:31:42.16
if you can't
just sit in a chair.
00:31:42.20\00:31:45.03
We kind of-- I don't know
00:31:45.07\00:31:47.14
whether I'm allowed to say
this but we got Dick Nunez.
00:31:47.17\00:31:51.91
You are.
00:31:51.94\00:31:54.71
We have DVDs of Dick
Nunez and we have showed them
00:31:54.74\00:31:58.91
some of his exercises
for seniors in a chair.
00:31:58.95\00:32:02.02
And so, you know,
they appreciate this
00:32:02.05\00:32:04.22
and they helped us.
00:32:04.25\00:32:05.62
And then of course I don't know
00:32:05.65\00:32:07.86
whether I'm
allowed to say this either
00:32:07.89\00:32:09.22
but I have reversed my diabetes.
00:32:09.26\00:32:12.09
And so I kind of give them
00:32:12.13\00:32:15.26
some of my helpful
hands that I have done.
00:32:15.30\00:32:17.07
Yeah, you are
allowed to say that too.
00:32:17.10\00:32:18.43
Yes, okay. Oh, thank you.
00:32:18.47\00:32:20.50
And so it kind of makes
a little bit easier for me
00:32:20.54\00:32:22.84
because I can say I
did this and I did that.
00:32:22.87\00:32:25.71
And I have had
a couple of people
00:32:25.74\00:32:27.08
that are diabetics there.
00:32:27.11\00:32:29.08
And so what did
you do with this, Eva?
00:32:29.11\00:32:31.71
What did you do with that
00:32:31.75\00:32:33.08
and I can kind of
help them a little bit.
00:32:33.11\00:32:35.28
Then when I tell them
the curriculum to drink
00:32:35.32\00:32:37.19
lot of water and
try to get sunlight.
00:32:37.22\00:32:40.02
You know, when
they can get outside
00:32:40.06\00:32:41.39
and I said, even if you
can't get sun through the window
00:32:41.42\00:32:44.23
because it's still sun
00:32:44.26\00:32:45.83
and it's still the
vitamin D, you know.
00:32:45.86\00:32:47.93
So it makes it interesting
and I enjoy doing that.
00:32:47.96\00:32:51.17
Bob, we know you are kind
of, you are kind of the energy,
00:32:51.20\00:32:54.14
the founder, the driving
force you came in reluctantly.
00:32:54.17\00:32:58.94
Talk to me about your growth
00:32:58.97\00:33:01.38
and you being settled in this
00:33:01.41\00:33:03.45
as a calling
from God on your life?
00:33:03.48\00:33:06.95
Well, as we started to minister,
00:33:06.98\00:33:10.29
as we got into
the first two years,
00:33:10.32\00:33:12.45
you know, again
we were looking at,
00:33:12.49\00:33:13.89
you know, this is her ministry
I'm just here to support.
00:33:13.92\00:33:17.23
And then thinking about,
00:33:17.26\00:33:20.40
you know, I don't
want to be doing this
00:33:20.43\00:33:23.37
in five years or so
00:33:23.40\00:33:25.37
and that was
kind of the attitude
00:33:25.40\00:33:27.37
and interestingly
with that attitude
00:33:27.40\00:33:29.94
we also noticed a
declining-- attendance.
00:33:29.97\00:33:36.14
We dropped from
averaging 14 or 15 down to five.
00:33:36.18\00:33:41.45
We got down to five.
00:33:41.48\00:33:43.35
Now let me correct now,
this is your mindset or both.
00:33:43.39\00:33:46.72
This is what's
going on in your head?
00:33:46.76\00:33:48.19
This was mine. Okay.
00:33:48.22\00:33:49.56
So you are in,
I mean, you are in
00:33:49.59\00:33:51.79
but you are kind of
saying I'm here for now
00:33:51.83\00:33:53.86
but I'm not, this is not
gonna be part of my life.
00:33:53.90\00:33:55.90
Exactly, and the
Lord reminded me,
00:33:55.93\00:33:58.70
He is like Don, I
thought you said that
00:33:58.73\00:34:01.74
you would keep your
eyes on Me and follow Me
00:34:01.77\00:34:04.27
because that was a
part of my conversion.
00:34:04.31\00:34:06.17
Lord coming and say Don,
get your eyes off all the things
00:34:06.21\00:34:08.88
that you've lost,
getting focus on Me, follow me
00:34:08.91\00:34:12.58
and I said yes
Lord, I will do that.
00:34:12.61\00:34:14.48
So He reminded me of that,
00:34:14.52\00:34:15.85
so I was like okay,
Lord, I will do this.
00:34:15.88\00:34:18.59
But interestingly we--
00:34:18.62\00:34:22.06
I had actually been watching
00:34:22.09\00:34:23.56
a 3ABN today
program with Hiram Rester
00:34:23.59\00:34:27.10
and he was telling
about how he had done
00:34:27.13\00:34:31.63
maybe 70 evangelistic meetings
00:34:31.67\00:34:36.54
and after all of
that the Lord told him
00:34:36.57\00:34:39.11
okay, now you
have done all of this,
00:34:39.14\00:34:41.01
start preaching Jesus.
Start preaching Christ.
00:34:41.04\00:34:43.04
Yes.
00:34:43.08\00:34:44.41
And I saw that it was
like, what you mean preaching?
00:34:44.45\00:34:47.75
He says, he's been
preaching Jesus the whole time.
00:34:47.78\00:34:50.59
And Hiram said, I had been using
00:34:50.62\00:34:54.92
the doctrines to preach Jesus
00:34:54.96\00:34:57.56
instead of focusing on
Jesus to teach the doctrines.
00:34:57.59\00:35:02.03
And so that was a
total blowing away
00:35:02.06\00:35:08.20
of my mindset as far as
how we were to be doing this.
00:35:08.24\00:35:11.87
And that's when I really started
00:35:11.91\00:35:13.74
getting onboard with this
00:35:13.78\00:35:15.11
and say okay, Lord,
teach us, show us what to do?
00:35:15.14\00:35:18.71
And our speaker Charles
who had come in by that time
00:35:18.75\00:35:23.75
started taking over the speaking
00:35:23.79\00:35:26.79
and our focus since that
time has been lifting up Jesus.
00:35:26.82\00:35:32.56
What does the Bible tell
us about God's character,
00:35:32.59\00:35:35.90
you know, based on
the foundational truth
00:35:35.93\00:35:37.53
that God is love.
00:35:37.57\00:35:38.90
So that's what we are focusing
00:35:38.93\00:35:41.00
our sermon presentations,
our music everything
00:35:41.04\00:35:44.77
is focused
around lifting up Jesus
00:35:44.81\00:35:47.01
because He said, He would draw.
00:35:47.04\00:35:50.15
We were trying to preach
the doctrines turning them
00:35:50.18\00:35:53.21
"the Seventh-day Adventist"
and we were losing them.
00:35:53.25\00:35:58.69
We were losing them. Yeah.
00:35:58.72\00:36:00.22
We were heading up--
00:36:00.26\00:36:01.59
And I see very clearly that
you want to hit that home run,
00:36:01.62\00:36:05.96
you want to just,
you want to get baptisms,
00:36:05.99\00:36:07.76
you want to but you got
to introduce them to Christ.
00:36:07.80\00:36:10.37
I need to ask you
Barbara, did you know,
00:36:10.40\00:36:12.53
you are sold out, you
went into the deep end.
00:36:12.57\00:36:14.57
Did you know he
was toeing the water?
00:36:14.60\00:36:16.54
Yeah, he had already
told me that I'm gonna be an,
00:36:16.57\00:36:19.37
I'm gonna do it short
while and I'm gonna be gone.
00:36:19.41\00:36:22.11
But the other thing that happens
00:36:22.14\00:36:24.28
that we did not anticipate.
00:36:24.31\00:36:26.95
We have fallen in
love with this folk.
00:36:26.98\00:36:30.15
And if we had to choose
going to church on Sabbath
00:36:30.19\00:36:35.89
or being with our
group Sunday night
00:36:35.92\00:36:38.06
for the hugs and the kisses
00:36:38.09\00:36:40.10
and the time to
have to pray with people
00:36:40.13\00:36:42.10
we would probably
choose and I say that.
00:36:42.13\00:36:44.90
And I can understand the mindset
00:36:44.93\00:36:46.27
because yeah, you are
doing something for the--
00:36:46.30\00:36:47.67
And we are, you know,
Don's got so many grandmas now
00:36:47.70\00:36:51.67
that are just 11 and
they look so much forward.
00:36:51.71\00:36:57.31
The hugs and the kisses
and the opportunity to pray
00:36:57.35\00:37:00.25
and then the
Lord has expanded us
00:37:00.28\00:37:03.02
because these folk
are not just coming
00:37:03.05\00:37:05.82
to this
facility from their homes
00:37:05.85\00:37:08.29
and staying there until they die
00:37:08.32\00:37:09.86
which is what we
thought because its private pay,
00:37:09.89\00:37:14.93
health change or finances change
00:37:14.96\00:37:18.10
and they are out of there.
00:37:18.13\00:37:19.47
They are gone, okay, okay.
00:37:19.50\00:37:20.84
And we facetiously made
the commitment to follow them
00:37:20.87\00:37:25.07
wherever they go not thinking
they were going anywhere.
00:37:25.11\00:37:29.08
And we now have
people in Rushville, Indiana
00:37:29.11\00:37:32.01
and we have them
in Elkhart, Indiana.
00:37:32.05\00:37:34.02
We have and we are
literally doing visitation
00:37:34.05\00:37:37.95
at least once a
quarter trying to get around
00:37:37.99\00:37:40.09
to people who have left
and it's just gotten so many
00:37:40.12\00:37:45.19
that it opened
another avenue of mailers.
00:37:45.23\00:37:48.83
We now send, we
do the sermon outline
00:37:48.86\00:37:51.90
because the facility
00:37:51.93\00:37:53.34
you are not
supposed to pass out anything
00:37:53.37\00:37:55.50
but because we
do the service there
00:37:55.54\00:37:57.94
we can give them
Christian literature.
00:37:57.97\00:38:00.88
And so we now
print our sermon outlines
00:38:00.91\00:38:03.81
and this week we
mailed 180 sermon outlines.
00:38:03.85\00:38:08.58
Some of them are
getting as far as Australia.
00:38:08.62\00:38:12.35
We've got people who
take our sermon outlines
00:38:12.39\00:38:14.32
and use them
weekly in prison ministry
00:38:14.36\00:38:18.59
as well as we've
added some missing members,
00:38:18.63\00:38:21.83
many of Don's
classmates who grew up with him,
00:38:21.86\00:38:24.50
went to church
school are out of church,
00:38:24.53\00:38:26.94
they are on our mailing list
00:38:26.97\00:38:28.30
and unless they
ask us not to send them
00:38:28.34\00:38:30.81
which they haven't asked
they get a sermon every week.
00:38:30.84\00:38:34.08
So the ministry
really has grown.
00:38:34.11\00:38:35.44
Yes.
00:38:35.48\00:38:36.81
And I was sat down
with the mindset that
00:38:36.85\00:38:39.21
these are people like a nursing
home facility, this is not.
00:38:39.25\00:38:41.85
No.
00:38:41.88\00:38:43.22
This population is
little more transit.
00:38:43.25\00:38:44.59
They come, they stay
a while and they leave.
00:38:44.62\00:38:46.09
They are private
retirees and they are paying
00:38:46.12\00:38:50.93
some good bucks
to be where they are
00:38:50.96\00:38:53.73
but if their health
changes or finally finances,
00:38:53.76\00:38:57.90
you know, $3,000-$4,000 a
month so that a lot of money.
00:38:57.93\00:39:01.87
Yes, yes. Yes.
00:39:01.90\00:39:03.24
What we found though is
that in many of these facilities
00:39:03.27\00:39:06.44
there is not spiritual care
00:39:06.47\00:39:08.08
as far as churches
coming in to do services.
00:39:08.11\00:39:10.08
I understand yeah.
00:39:10.11\00:39:11.55
So unless the local church,
you know, Methodist, Baptist
00:39:11.58\00:39:15.15
or whoever will
come and pick them up
00:39:15.18\00:39:17.69
they are not getting to service.
00:39:17.72\00:39:19.12
There is only one church
organization that's coming in
00:39:19.15\00:39:22.66
and that's our Catholic friends.
00:39:22.69\00:39:24.03
Right. Right
00:39:24.06\00:39:25.39
There is no
Protestant. No Protestants.
00:39:25.43\00:39:26.76
Very few
Protestants and there is a need
00:39:26.80\00:39:29.63
at every facility to do church--
00:39:29.66\00:39:33.20
Yes, everywhere--
I'm gonna say everywhere
00:39:33.23\00:39:36.60
we visit we get
asked, would you come
00:39:36.64\00:39:39.77
and do it at my facility.
00:39:39.81\00:39:42.41
So we are now at
three facilities.
00:39:42.44\00:39:44.25
Wow, I just says the Lord
by default is making you grow.
00:39:44.28\00:39:46.82
Yes. Yes.
00:39:46.85\00:39:48.18
But we need--
00:39:48.22\00:39:49.55
And we ask them to do that
00:39:49.58\00:39:50.92
this year grow
us, you know, more.
00:39:50.95\00:39:52.29
But the need is so great,
00:39:52.32\00:39:53.66
not so much for
regular nursing home
00:39:53.69\00:39:55.56
but for the
retirement facilities
00:39:55.59\00:39:57.66
that are popping up all over
00:39:57.69\00:39:59.59
and for the memory care
facilities that in our area
00:39:59.63\00:40:03.06
they are building them
like, I don't know what.
00:40:03.10\00:40:05.67
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:05.70\00:40:07.04
They are private
pay and those facilities
00:40:07.07\00:40:10.27
could easily have a
group go in week after week
00:40:10.31\00:40:14.51
and share the good news for God.
00:40:14.54\00:40:15.88
Now, walk me again
through because the Lord made it
00:40:15.91\00:40:18.25
apparent to you that having
00:40:18.28\00:40:19.95
a classic
Adventist worship service
00:40:19.98\00:40:22.48
was not gonna
fly in this context.
00:40:22.52\00:40:24.35
So he whittled
it down if you were
00:40:24.39\00:40:28.49
to those four elements.
00:40:28.52\00:40:29.96
Give in those elements again.
00:40:29.99\00:40:31.33
All right, we
sing hymns. You sing.
00:40:31.36\00:40:33.09
They love the hymns.
00:40:33.13\00:40:36.30
We have prayer time
00:40:36.33\00:40:37.90
which we entertain
prayer request and then pray.
00:40:37.93\00:40:40.44
Indispensable.
00:40:40.47\00:40:41.80
And then we have Eva
does the health talk.
00:40:41.84\00:40:46.07
We have special music. Yes.
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We have a young lady
who has also joined us
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and she occasionally
sings and she and Don trade off.
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And then we have the sermon
00:40:53.95\00:40:55.38
and then I always
do an appeal song.
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Now I came up with Elder Rainey
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and you remembered traditionally
00:40:59.55\00:41:01.32
that appeal song always sort
of solidified with the sermon.
00:41:01.36\00:41:05.73
And that's a
gift God has given me.
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So I usually pick a hymn
00:41:08.33\00:41:11.13
that goes with the
message of the day.
00:41:11.17\00:41:14.67
Which is a challenge
for us because before,
00:41:14.70\00:41:17.74
you know, say, I'm gonna
sing this tonight, that's out.
00:41:17.77\00:41:20.61
Yeah.
00:41:20.64\00:41:21.98
Spending time in prayer.
00:41:22.01\00:41:23.35
Lord, what would
you have me to sing that
00:41:23.38\00:41:25.15
goes with this
message and the Lord has been
00:41:25.18\00:41:27.98
pulling songs out, you know--
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And we praise the Lord for that.
00:41:31.72\00:41:33.05
I wanted to bring back
00:41:33.09\00:41:34.42
and kind of hit
this from another angle.
00:41:34.46\00:41:35.79
Because you were
losing your audience,
00:41:35.82\00:41:37.49
God impressed you that
00:41:37.53\00:41:39.23
this is not gonna fly
the way you are doing it.
00:41:39.26\00:41:41.66
You made the change,
00:41:41.70\00:41:43.20
what was the
result of that change
00:41:43.23\00:41:44.93
as far as
attendance was concerned?
00:41:44.97\00:41:46.30
We say, it just increased.
00:41:46.33\00:41:47.67
The residents are now
inviting other residents.
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So we do no advertising.
00:41:51.47\00:41:53.51
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:53.54\00:41:54.88
But and the residents
are inviting the residents
00:41:54.91\00:41:58.21
and the other thing
that has happened is that
00:41:58.25\00:42:00.58
financially we are
no budget ministry.
00:42:00.62\00:42:03.99
We have no
budget and no offering.
00:42:04.02\00:42:08.16
Initially I was
putting the cost.
00:42:08.19\00:42:11.26
We have sensed we
needed the sound system,
00:42:11.29\00:42:13.73
someone gave us
enough money to buy it.
00:42:13.76\00:42:16.13
Praise the Lord.
00:42:16.16\00:42:17.50
We now have mikes, we are going
00:42:17.53\00:42:19.67
to probably upgrade to
the power mike eventually.
00:42:19.70\00:42:22.97
But we also do birthdays.
00:42:23.00\00:42:25.71
You know,
everyone who has a birthday
00:42:25.74\00:42:27.28
we honor that and celebrate
00:42:27.31\00:42:30.05
and we give them
a birthday packet.
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And-- oops, excuse me.
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This is an example
of the birthday packet
00:42:35.48\00:42:37.72
which is basically and envelope
00:42:37.75\00:42:40.36
and in it we have
a 3ABN door hanger.
00:42:40.39\00:42:45.96
Amen. Amen.
00:42:45.99\00:42:47.33
It has Health for Daily Living.
00:42:47.36\00:42:49.50
Praise the Lord.
00:42:49.53\00:42:50.87
It includes a "Steps to Christ."
00:42:50.90\00:42:52.60
Okay, you want to hold
that right up in front like,
00:42:52.63\00:42:54.37
there you go, there you go.
00:42:54.40\00:42:55.87
It includes the "Great Hope."
00:42:55.90\00:42:59.04
Okay.
00:42:59.07\00:43:00.41
And sometimes it
will either include
00:43:00.44\00:43:03.14
the "Steps to
Christ" or one of these
00:43:03.18\00:43:05.61
and then we will gift
it with a bunch of these
00:43:05.65\00:43:07.98
from E.G. White Estate and
they are on various topics.
00:43:08.02\00:43:11.02
This one is happiness service.
00:43:11.05\00:43:13.22
Praise the Lord.
00:43:13.25\00:43:14.59
And then we always
include fresh fruit.
00:43:14.62\00:43:17.03
Oh, nice. Nice.
00:43:17.06\00:43:18.39
So whatever is in
season or orange or apple
00:43:18.43\00:43:21.36
or whatever couple of
pieces and a go track.
00:43:21.40\00:43:24.03
And a go track. So
this is the birthday bag.
00:43:24.07\00:43:25.87
Well, done. Well, done.
00:43:25.90\00:43:27.54
Now I want to go back
and I'm begging a point
00:43:27.57\00:43:30.07
because I want our
people to understand,
00:43:30.11\00:43:31.97
you were losing your audience
then you change something
00:43:32.01\00:43:36.64
and now your
audience is coming back.
00:43:36.68\00:43:39.21
Tell me in a
sentence what that change was.
00:43:39.25\00:43:42.98
The change was not
emphasizing doctrines,
00:43:43.02\00:43:46.89
but lifting up Jesus.
00:43:46.92\00:43:48.26
There you go. You are great.
00:43:48.29\00:43:49.62
I told, you are
great. You are great, yes.
00:43:49.66\00:43:51.06
So then the
default setting is that
00:43:51.09\00:43:52.76
when you live for
Christ, Christ will draw.
00:43:52.79\00:43:55.50
Amen. Eva?
00:43:55.53\00:43:58.33
I had found and
I think I just want
00:43:58.37\00:43:59.93
to add in there Bob and I coming
00:43:59.97\00:44:01.67
out of the Catholic Church
I think we were very big help
00:44:01.70\00:44:04.67
because I have
got, lo and behold
00:44:04.71\00:44:07.51
we ended up knowing
several of the people
00:44:07.54\00:44:10.35
who were there from our
previous Catholic Church.
00:44:10.38\00:44:13.75
And so I have had many
of the catholic say to me
00:44:13.78\00:44:18.02
but as a catholic can we
come to this church service?
00:44:18.05\00:44:21.62
Can we be here?
Can we listen to this?
00:44:21.66\00:44:24.29
You know, and as
soon as I say to them,
00:44:24.33\00:44:28.70
as soon as I say to them
00:44:28.73\00:44:30.47
we are out of
the Catholic Church.
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They just kind of fall in love
00:44:32.37\00:44:33.94
and they say, oh, we
can do this then, you know.
00:44:33.97\00:44:36.57
So it makes it easier.
00:44:36.60\00:44:37.94
Amen and amen.
00:44:37.97\00:44:39.31
Now we've got a
bunch of pictures
00:44:39.34\00:44:40.68
I want you to walk me
through some of these pictures.
00:44:40.71\00:44:42.24
Let's go to our pictures
00:44:42.28\00:44:43.61
and let's walk through
the stuff and take a look at
00:44:43.65\00:44:44.98
some of these
things that are happening.
00:44:45.01\00:44:46.35
Who is that? That's Pauline.
00:44:46.38\00:44:47.72
That's the lady
who started this.
00:44:47.75\00:44:49.22
She is the woman that
moved into the facility
00:44:49.25\00:44:52.59
that made the statement,
I can't get to my church.
00:44:52.62\00:44:56.62
So this is your
friend? Yes, she is the friend.
00:44:56.66\00:44:58.89
And so we kind of
think of her as our founder.
00:44:58.93\00:45:02.73
Amen. Amen.
00:45:02.76\00:45:04.10
She has since passed
away. Oh, bless her heart.
00:45:04.13\00:45:05.87
Yes, but then you just
see some pictures of mom and I
00:45:05.90\00:45:09.84
and we can scroll through.
00:45:09.87\00:45:11.84
This is Bob speaking to her
I think they were talking about
00:45:11.87\00:45:15.01
the state of the dead on
this one I believe, yeah.
00:45:15.04\00:45:17.95
So you get a chance to
minister kind of one on one--
00:45:17.98\00:45:19.98
Yes. Right, exactly.
00:45:20.02\00:45:21.35
Now is that in that in
that same hour or you get--
00:45:21.38\00:45:23.52
No after or
before that. Oh, you can.
00:45:23.55\00:45:26.32
Okay, you can select your
time but the service is an hour.
00:45:26.35\00:45:28.12
Yes. Understood.
00:45:28.16\00:45:29.59
Looking at this you
know my health thing.
00:45:29.62\00:45:33.96
You look like you
are having a good time.
00:45:34.00\00:45:35.33
Now where is this?
00:45:35.36\00:45:36.70
This is the multipurpose
room where we do the service.
00:45:36.73\00:45:40.04
Kind of looks
stretchy a little bit.
00:45:40.07\00:45:41.40
Doesn't it? Yeah, it does.
00:45:41.44\00:45:42.77
So we set the chairs
up so it looks like that.
00:45:42.80\00:45:44.84
And this is our
main speaker Charles Paik
00:45:44.87\00:45:47.08
and he is doing
a sermon regarding
00:45:47.11\00:45:49.21
the sanctuary about the lamb
00:45:49.24\00:45:51.65
that was gonna be
slaughtered as the sacrifice
00:45:51.68\00:45:54.52
and he actually had a
knife that he was gonna pull out
00:45:54.55\00:45:58.52
and he actually
stimulated the lamb being slain
00:45:58.55\00:46:02.06
and the women were like, oh,
he is going to kill the lamb.
00:46:02.09\00:46:05.83
But it was a
really powerful sermon.
00:46:05.86\00:46:08.33
This here is Miguel Arevalo
and he is also our speaker
00:46:08.36\00:46:13.17
and he took us
through the sanctuary service.
00:46:13.20\00:46:17.57
That he made it.
00:46:17.61\00:46:18.94
And we did a whole
series on that, yeah.
00:46:18.97\00:46:21.14
And this Firm Faith Watson,
she is one of our singers.
00:46:21.18\00:46:25.11
She comes and do
special music for us.
00:46:25.15\00:46:28.92
This is one of the
sermons that you spoke, mom.
00:46:28.95\00:46:31.69
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:31.72\00:46:33.52
Praise the Lord.
00:46:33.56\00:46:34.89
That's me doing
special music on the guitar.
00:46:34.92\00:46:37.93
I think her.
00:46:37.96\00:46:40.53
Praise the Lord.
00:46:40.56\00:46:41.90
God is good, and this is
our end of the year program.
00:46:41.93\00:46:45.67
They got it by saying
oh, we do a special service
00:46:45.70\00:46:48.87
and we line the table
up in the form of a cross
00:46:48.90\00:46:51.57
and we have it decorated
with fruits and candles
00:46:51.61\00:46:55.28
and the whole works.
00:46:55.31\00:46:56.64
We just make it a
special end of the year program
00:46:56.68\00:46:59.28
and we do that
every year, once a year.
00:46:59.31\00:47:02.32
And this is our team.
00:47:02.35\00:47:04.62
Don is taking the
picture so he is not in it.
00:47:04.65\00:47:06.09
Oh, that's right
I'm not in that picture
00:47:06.12\00:47:08.46
but this is our team here.
00:47:08.49\00:47:09.82
Very good. Yeah.
00:47:09.86\00:47:11.19
Okay, now
obviously though your service
00:47:11.23\00:47:15.13
is on Sunday evening
00:47:15.16\00:47:16.87
this is not a one
day a week kind of deal.
00:47:16.90\00:47:19.27
This is beginning
to envelope your life.
00:47:19.30\00:47:21.90
This is a very big
part of what you are doing.
00:47:21.94\00:47:23.77
Yes.
00:47:23.81\00:47:25.14
How does your local
church feel about this?
00:47:25.17\00:47:27.88
Is there support
form local church?
00:47:27.91\00:47:29.24
Are you getting encouragement?
00:47:29.28\00:47:30.61
How is it interfacing
00:47:30.65\00:47:31.98
with your local
church there in Indianapolis?
00:47:32.01\00:47:34.02
Yes, they are very supportive.
00:47:34.05\00:47:37.12
They have, you know, provided
00:47:37.15\00:47:38.49
you know, Bibles for
us and other materials.
00:47:38.52\00:47:41.62
And since we are
not an organized church
00:47:41.66\00:47:45.76
as far as you know,
Tanglewood Ministries,
00:47:45.79\00:47:47.23
you know, we
aren't a 501C3 so we are--
00:47:47.26\00:47:51.50
so our church is the umbrella
00:47:51.53\00:47:56.07
under which we
operate financially.
00:47:56.10\00:47:58.07
So all of the gifts that come in
00:47:58.11\00:48:00.54
we turn that into our church.
00:48:00.58\00:48:02.88
And then the--
00:48:02.91\00:48:04.25
And so that's how it's up.
00:48:04.28\00:48:05.61
And expenses that we enter.
00:48:05.65\00:48:07.85
Right, exactly.
00:48:07.88\00:48:09.22
Okay, so someone wanted
to support your ministry
00:48:09.25\00:48:11.05
since you are not 501C3
00:48:11.09\00:48:12.72
they will have to
give it to the church
00:48:12.75\00:48:14.09
and then the
church will pass it on.
00:48:14.12\00:48:16.32
I don't know how
difficult 501C3 status
00:48:16.36\00:48:19.13
is perhaps you
ought to think about that.
00:48:19.16\00:48:20.80
We sure. As we began to grow.
00:48:20.83\00:48:24.13
Because obviously this
is not a flash in the pan
00:48:24.17\00:48:25.87
you are gonna be
doing this for a while.
00:48:25.90\00:48:27.24
We are gonna be
doing it for a while.
00:48:27.27\00:48:28.84
Praise the Lord.
00:48:28.87\00:48:30.21
So maybe that
ought to be part of their
00:48:30.24\00:48:32.47
thought process as
you, you know, as you evolve
00:48:32.51\00:48:35.78
because you are
growing two more facilities
00:48:35.81\00:48:39.21
and reaching more people.
00:48:39.25\00:48:41.18
You are gonna
need some consistence,
00:48:41.22\00:48:42.92
some consistent help.
00:48:42.95\00:48:45.12
One that the things that
has happened is this past year
00:48:45.15\00:48:48.62
I've conducted a
couple of funerals.
00:48:48.66\00:48:51.33
The folk now consider
Tanglewood their church.
00:48:51.36\00:48:55.00
And so many of them were asking
00:48:55.03\00:48:57.27
will you do my funeral when I--
00:48:57.30\00:48:59.47
And we've done a
couple of funerals.
00:48:59.50\00:49:02.87
The other
extension has been that
00:49:02.90\00:49:04.94
we are not just
serving the residents
00:49:04.97\00:49:06.57
but we are serving staff members
00:49:06.61\00:49:09.11
who sort of stand on the outside
00:49:09.14\00:49:11.51
of this service and listen
00:49:11.55\00:49:13.05
and we are giving
copies of our sermon
00:49:13.08\00:49:15.52
and occasionally have a
opportunity to pray with
00:49:15.55\00:49:18.75
but it has also opened the door
00:49:18.79\00:49:21.39
to the families of the residents
00:49:21.42\00:49:24.16
because Don and I
do hospital visitations
00:49:24.19\00:49:26.96
and other
nursing home visitation.
00:49:27.00\00:49:29.46
So we are actually
coming contact with family
00:49:29.50\00:49:32.43
and then when someone does die
00:49:32.47\00:49:34.74
we either go the
wake of the funeral
00:49:34.77\00:49:37.57
and for that we
take a packet and--
00:49:37.61\00:49:42.81
not sure it happen
to-- we have envelop
00:49:42.84\00:49:46.88
that we give that has
the "Great Hope" book in it
00:49:46.92\00:49:52.75
and the postcard that goes
with this from Nathan Green.
00:49:52.79\00:49:59.09
Yes.
00:49:59.13\00:50:00.46
We include a Bible study
card and then we write a message
00:50:00.50\00:50:05.60
on the back of
Nathan Green's card
00:50:05.63\00:50:08.30
and put it in a envelop
00:50:08.34\00:50:09.90
and we make one for
every family member.
00:50:09.94\00:50:12.54
So if the mother
died the dad still alive
00:50:12.57\00:50:16.28
the dad would get
one, any children.
00:50:16.31\00:50:19.21
So it can be like
two or three per family
00:50:19.25\00:50:21.92
or like last week we
delivered ten to a family.
00:50:21.95\00:50:25.25
All right, should you
want to support this ministry
00:50:25.29\00:50:28.36
because as they
have said it's a ministry
00:50:28.39\00:50:32.53
that's working on the
goodness of the church
00:50:32.56\00:50:35.26
and your own personal pocket
00:50:35.30\00:50:37.37
but it is one that
deserves your support,
00:50:37.40\00:50:40.54
certainly your prayers.
00:50:40.57\00:50:42.20
Here is the contact
information that you will need.
00:50:42.24\00:50:47.58
If you would like to
know more about this ministry
00:50:47.61\00:50:49.54
then you can write
to, Tanglewood Ministries,
00:50:49.58\00:50:52.61
South Bend First
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:50:52.65\00:50:55.45
1936 East Altgeld Street,
South Bend, Indiana, 46614.
00:50:55.48\00:51:01.86
That's Tanglewood Ministries,
00:51:01.89\00:51:03.83
South Bend First
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:51:03.86\00:51:07.03
1936 East Altgeld Street,
South Bend, Indiana, 46614.
00:51:07.06\00:51:13.23
You can call 574-654-7320.
00:51:13.27\00:51:17.77
That's 574-654-7320.
00:51:17.81\00:51:21.64
Or visit them
online at sbadventist.org,
00:51:21.68\00:51:26.61
that's sbadventist.org.
00:51:26.65\00:51:30.59