I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends,
welcome to 3ABN today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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But you might know that if you
are a part of our 3ABN family.
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So if you are, welcome back.
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But if this is the
first time you are tuning in,
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welcome to this station.
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I encourage you to
remember it, lock it in,
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whatever you need to
do because this is a place
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where there are
life changing stories.
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Sometimes you
hear about tragedy,
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but then you here,
also hear about triumphs.
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Today our guests are
here to tell you about
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some very real tragedy,
but some very glorious triumph
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and so do not turn the channel.
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If you are
listening on the radio,
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turn the volume up
because you don't want to miss
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a single iota of the
story that is about to be told.
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It is gripping.
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It parlays
something that has marred
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the face of human history,
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has scarred the
calendar of human tragedy.
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But today those who
were there at ground zero
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are here to tell their
story and out of the ashes,
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beauty has risen and so
you do want to hear about
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what God does in spite
of what humanity has done.
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So thank you for your prayers
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and your financial
support of this network.
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We believe that
we are continuing
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to go and grow until Jesus come
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and whatever participation
you are sharing with us,
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whether you are volunteer
work, whether your money,
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your time, your prayer,
which is very important.
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We thank you for all of that.
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As you know we always have
music and my good friend today,
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Pastor C.A. Murray
is going to bless us.
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He has a wonderful album.
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He's produced
it a few years ago.
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But he's gonna be
singing this song,
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which fits wonderfully in
the program "Is it Any Wonder."
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When I think how Jesus loved me
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How He waited patiently
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Even when I turned
my back and walked away
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When He knew I
wanted every thing
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this world could offer me
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Well, I guess He knew
the price I'd have to pay
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So He watched
me stumble downward
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Saw each compromise I made
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Heard each lie I
whispered just to get my way
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Still He waited there to hear me
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When I cried to Him and prayed
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Then He saved my
soul and that is why I say
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Tell me, is it any wonder
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That I love Him
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When you consider
all He's done for me
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And is it any wonder
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that I long to do His will
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And let His light
shine out for all to see
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And is it any wonder
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That I praise Him
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Each time I think of
how He's made me free
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And is it any wonder
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that I've given Him my heart
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When Jesus freely
gave His life for me
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When I think how Jesus loves me
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How He watches patiently
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How His arms are
stretched to meet me when I run
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When I'm feeling down and lonely
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How He's there to comfort me
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In the darkness He
becomes my morning sun
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When I think of
how He's healed me
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How He's touched me in my pain
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How His gentle hands
have wiped my tears away
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How He's taken every heartache
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and brought happiness again
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Oh, I want the world
to hear me when I say
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Tell me is it any wonder
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That I love Him
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When you consider
all He's done for me
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And is it any wonder
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that I long to do His will
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And let His light
shine out for all to see
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And is it any wonder
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That I praise Him
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Each time I think of
how He's made me free
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And is it any wonder
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that I've given Him my heart
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When Jesus freely
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gave His life for me
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Thank you so much
for that song Pastor C.A.
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He was my pastor when I
was young man in New York.
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Now I'm his pastor.
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The Lord has given me
a chance to pay him back.
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But we love each other
and I'm preaching to him now
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and sometimes he sleeps on
my sermon like I slept on his.
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But that's okay,
we love each other
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and we're both being used by God
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to carry this gospel forward.
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Thank you so
much for that message
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because it leads right into
the topic, "Is it any wonder"
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in spite of all the things
that happened in our world
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that God still loves
us and He's continuing
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to accomplish His
will for our lives.
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So let's meet our
guests at this time.
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I begin with this young
lady sitting to my right.
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Tell me your
name, where you're from
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and what you do right now?
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By the way, welcome to
3ABN. Thank you so much, John.
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My name is Nalini Suresh Kumar.
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And I'm from Portland Oregon.
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But originally I'm from
India as we can see from--
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Okay.
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Yeah, and I grew up in Poona
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in this beautiful
college, Spicer College.
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Yes. Yeah.
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And decided to come to the
US one year ago and here I am.
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Good to have you here.
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Working with the
Adventist Impact.
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And I am the
Global Impact Associate.
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Yes, good to
have you here today.
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Thank you so much.
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And this young man,
sitting into the centre here,
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tell me your name
and where you're from.
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My name is Jean Paul Mugisha.
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I'm from Congo
and I've been living
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in a refugee camp
in Rwanda for 17 years.
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Okay, good to have you
here. Your story is amazing.
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We are gonna tell
that in just a moment.
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Thank you.
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And at the end here,
but also very much involved
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in this program, tell
us your name and also--
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My name is Shoshon Tama-Sweet
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and I'm the
director of Global Impact.
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I work with Adventist Impact
and I'm from Portland, Oregon.
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Okay, and once again,
welcome to all of you today.
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What a diversity in our panel,
for those of you on radio,
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we have someone from India,
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someone from Congo, and America.
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Am I saying that
correct? Yes, that's America.
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So we have quite
an international panel
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but all connected by one event
by one tragedy and one triumph.
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I'm gonna begin with our
director of Global Impact.
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Shoshon, tell us we are
talking about the beauty
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that rises out of the ashes.
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But now let's go
back to the ashes.
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Something happened
in our world that marked
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with the calendar
of human suffering
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and that's the
purpose of our program today.
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Lead us into that story.
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Yeah, well, it
was about 21 years ago
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that the genocide in
Rwanda began to unfold
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and roughly a
million people were killed
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within a
hundred days, it's about
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10,000 people per day
were slaughtered in an effort
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to exterminate a
part of God's family,
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a human nation and that
violence in 1994 continued
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and spilled over into the Congo
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and the violence
continued in the Congo
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for an additional several years.
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And, you know, I remembered
the Time Magazine cover
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at the time and it said,
"All the devils have left hell,
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they have gone to Rwanda."
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And when you read the intimate
stories of tragedy and violence
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that unfolded in that period,
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you see a
darkness within humanity.
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You really see
Satan at work and alive,
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conquering human
beings and using them
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for his evil designs.
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But out of that you also see
people who've kept their face,
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you know, turned it
toward the light of Jesus
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and turned
toward the light of God
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and persevering
against impossible odds
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to live a godly
life and to rise again.
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And we're gonna talk
about how you got connected
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to the cause because
Rwanda and Global Impact
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or Adventist Impact were
not synonymously associated,
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one came along later. Yes.
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But this tragedy in
Rwanda as well as in the Congo
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really caught the
attention of the world's stage.
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It really did.
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I mean, nations wondered
what they could do hedge off
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and to prevent this from going
further to spread throughout
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other neighboring countries
and communities in Africa.
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But we remember vividly
the news reports CNN, ABC, NBC,
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The Time Magazine
pictures were just so striking
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and just for our audience,
Nalini also worked with you,
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both of you are
together working right now
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in Global Impact, so
you are an associate,
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Nalini, am I
saying that correctly?
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Nalini. Nalini, okay.
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Praise the Lord I've got
it. She's finally Nalini.
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It's like Melanie but with an N.
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That's right.
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I'll remember
that, I promise that.
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But both of you are working
right now in Global Impact.
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But I want you,
what I like you to do
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is before we bring
Jean Paul into the story,
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I want to for our audience
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begin to walk
through this tragedy.
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Just to refresh our memories,
what was behind this genocide?
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At least what was
the reason that those
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who perpetrated this had given?
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Yeah, I mean
there's always the quest for
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wealth and
political power and prestige.
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But it also came
down to a conflict between
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two different tribes, the
Hutu and the Tutsi tribes.
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But what was interesting
is that so many of these
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individuals were
professed Christians
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and so what's so fascinating
to me was to learn that
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they were those who kept
their faith and their identity
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in Christ despite the violence,
and then there is those
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who forgot about
their identity in Christ.
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They forgot about
their, the fact that they were
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children of God and they
perpetuated the violence.
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And what you saw is that
violence in Rwanda unfolded
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and then spilled over
into the Congo is that,
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people were really targeted
based on their ethnicity
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and as that violence
unfolded in the Congo,
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you had people
who have to decide,
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am I gonna be a follower
of Christ or am I gonna be,
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you know, more
faithful to my nation
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or to my tribe
and commit violence.
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And the story that I
heard about the origin
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of the refugee
population is that there was
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a Hutu Adventist pastor.
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And the militia came to
him and they asked the pastor
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to help gather his congregation
who was the other tribe Tutsi
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so that they would be
more easily slaughtered.
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And in Rwanda this
unfolded many, many, many times
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where pastors
actually gathered their flock
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together in a
church simply so that
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they could be
killed and exterminated.
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But what was amazing is,
this pastor in the Congo,
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who was an
Adventist Pastor, he said,
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"You know, no, I
will not do that.
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Even though we
are different tribes,
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even though you have
told me that I'm supposed
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to exterminate this other tribe,
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I know that we're
brothers in Christ
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so even though I'm a Hutu,
and my congregation is Tutsi,
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I will not gather them. I
will not help you harm them."
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And what happened is
that later that evening
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as the sun was
setting the militia came back
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to that pastor and
they came to his home
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and they killed him with
machetes and his cries evoked
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the whole village and that
was the beginning of the exodus
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of that population
into the refugee camps.
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The militia
attacked the village,
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they were killing
women and children
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and husbands and
fathers and brothers
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and they fled seeking refuge.
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And that's the beginning of
the origin of the refugee camps.
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But it was because of
this pastor's faith in God
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and his Adventist faith,
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that he was
strong enough to say,
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"I'm not gonna give in
to this ethnic identity,
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I'm not gonna
give into this hatred
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between races and tribes,
I'm gonna love my neighbor."
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And he paid with his life
and that's an exemplary story
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in the midst of that darkness.
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You know when you talk about
ethnicity, clashes, for those,
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I've traveled
to Africa you know,
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number of other countries,
it's hard to think that
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the color of the skin still
is not an issue of identity
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because Tutsi and
Hutu, same skin color.
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So, they, but
they still consider
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themselves a
different ethnicity.
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Yeah, they would
consider themselves
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as different as any
two races on planet earth.
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Because of
their tribal identity.
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Because of their tribal identity
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and it's an identity
that's not rooted in God.
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That's an identity
that's rooted in a falsehood
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that says you know,
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we're a different
class of human being.
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But you know this Hutu pastor,
this Adventist pastor had that
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strong faith and
paid for with his--
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his life and as a result,
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his congregation was
able to free to flee.
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And the first place that
they fled and sought refuge
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was a campus of the Adventist
university of Central Africa,
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which is in a
place called Mudende
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and they gathered there by
the tens of thousands in 1996.
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Seeking a safe place
where they would not be attacked
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and where they could find
food and shelter and protection.
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And that's the
origin of the refugee camps
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that Jean Paul grew up in.
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I want to bring Nalini
into this story as well
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because you
both worked together.
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Tell me about your
impact or the viewpoint
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you had concerning what we
are talking about here today.
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Yeah, John,
when, two months back
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I had the privilege of
going and visiting these
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UN camps and I
was, when I went there,
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I thought I'm gonna be
like really sad and you know,
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it's gonna be a place of sadness
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and you know
distress and poverty.
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But you know, the good
thing was like I was wrong.
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There was so much hope
and I was walking through
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the camp and seeing,
you know, different people
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and talking to the
people and Shoshon gave you
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the broader spectrum of
how the Adventist people
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actually landed up in this camp.
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And I asked a mother there.
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I asked her, "Tell me how
come so many Adventists here?"
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You know, and she just answered
me in a very simple way.
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She said, "Because
we believed in peace,
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we believed in
what we were taught,
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and we didn't
participate in the genocide.
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We didn't kill our
brothers and sisters.
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We just protected
each other and we fled.
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So we are alive and we are here
today in this refugee camp."
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Wow. Yeah.
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And that made, that was
one of the proudest moments
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of my life you know,
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I was so proud
to be an Adventist.
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I was so proud to
be an Adventist. Yes.
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And they are there
faithful in that camp.
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They don't have a
pastor, they don't have anybody
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coming and preaching the gospel
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and re-teaching them
what their, you know,
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forefathers or their fathers
or grandparents were taught.
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But they held on faithfully
and passed it on to their kids.
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All the children
there are devout Adventists.
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Wow. Yeah.
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They get together, you know,
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they have a low
moment, they get together.
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There is this girl called Alice.
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She rounds up all the
kids and she gets together
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and she says, "We are
praying about this issue.
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We are not gonna be
defeated by an issue."
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You know, and I was like amazed
to see the Adventist faith
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living and you know,
being practiced there.
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You know, it's amazing.
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You said 80% of the
refugees are Adventists.
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I think back to this
pastor and the Bible does say,
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"Greater love
has no man than this
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than that he laid down
His life for his friend."
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And boy, I tell you,
that's to be commended.
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I know that in the
kingdom, when the Lord comes
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there's gonna be such
accommodation that the blessing
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is gonna be abundant and
it is sad that out of this
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darkness of him losing
his life but the blessing
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is his congregation
was saved I cannot imagine.
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What I like you
to do before we bring
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Jean Paul into this story.
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We have some pictures that
you brought with you today.
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I want you to walk us
through these pictures.
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These pictures give us
a time stamp or a reminder
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of the tragedy
that took place there
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in Rwanda and in the Congo.
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Thanks, yeah, so
you can see here,
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this is a picture, the
violence unfolded in 1994.
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You can see the
militia is there,
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you can see the support in this
case of the French government
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for those militias you
know, politics is an ugly game
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and this is what people faced.
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Neighbors turning on
neighbors and just extracting,
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you know, terrible
vengeance upon them.
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You know the fear of that
violence led people to flee
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by the tens and
hundreds of thousands.
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Massive populations just
putting everything they owned
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on their back
scrambling to get into trucks
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or find a place of refuge
in any manner that they could.
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But the violence
still caught up with them.
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You know, when
those refugees fled
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to that Adventist University,
the militias pursued them
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and they
exacted a horrible prize
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in terms of blood and violence.
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They committed another
massacre MSD International
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cited 1600 people
massacred in the span
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of just a few hours in 1996.
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And those children were
children like Jean Paul,
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just innocent babes.
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In fact Jean Paul was
at the Adventist University
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during that massacre in 1996.
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And it was to
protect them that then the UN
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placed them in these
distant remote camps,
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you know, very
compact, very packed together.
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And there they lived
for the next 17 years.
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This is that Adventist
University of Central Africa
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campus in Rwanda where the
massacre took place in 1996.
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These people who had fled from
the Congo in the first massacre
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gathered together and
suffered violence again.
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And then this is the
refugee camp in Rwanda
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where they have lived
for the last, now 18 years.
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Wow, that camp is
still existing today.
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That camp exists today
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and in fact there
are five similar camps.
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There's over 85,000
refugees in Rwanda and about 80%
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of them are
Seventh-day Adventists.
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So there they
are forgotten people,
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the reminisce of this
violence that have been living
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in really, really difficult
conditions for far too long.
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But even in the midst of
that darkness, God is speaking.
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Wow. Wow, I'll tell you.
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Jean Paul, I want to kind
of bring you into the story
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right now because
you were, you were there.
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You remember from a person
who is in the midst of it.
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Tell us some of your story.
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My name is Jean Paul
Mugisha as I said before
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and I was born in Congo
and when I was three years old,
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my family fled Congo to
Rwanda because of some conflicts
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that was going on there.
00:21:55.69\00:21:56.89
They were killing us and
then when we fled to Rwanda
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we went in these
Adventist campus,
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and then one night
they come back again.
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They come to kill us.
00:22:07.20\00:22:08.64
Then we like two,
more than 200 of us
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were killed in one night.
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Then after that we fled
to Gihembe refugee camp.
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That is another
refugee camp where they put us
00:22:18.88\00:22:21.71
and then I lived
there for 17 years.
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In that refuge camp,
there is no electricity,
00:22:25.91\00:22:28.36
no running water
and just we lived off
00:22:28.39\00:22:32.68
around 24 cents a day.
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There is education only through
00:22:35.29\00:22:37.47
fourth ninth
grade and that's it.
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So our growing up in the
refugee camp, I was a kid.
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I knew that this is
the normal life 'cause
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I didn't know any other
thing and I grew up praying God,
00:22:49.71\00:22:54.73
praying God to help me
to grow up into something
00:22:54.76\00:22:58.93
that would be
beneficial to my society.
00:22:58.96\00:23:00.98
Something that
will help my community
00:23:01.01\00:23:03.23
to get out of this situation,
that we were living in.
00:23:03.26\00:23:07.35
I went to
schooling the refugee camp
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up to ninth
grade, I got a chance,
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I was lucky enough to
get somebody to help me.
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Blessed enough.
00:23:16.42\00:23:17.45
Yup, I was
blessed enough by the Lord
00:23:17.48\00:23:20.54
to get somebody to help me
and to finish up my high school
00:23:20.57\00:23:24.09
and when I did the
high school in Rwanda,
00:23:24.12\00:23:26.80
I was doing
physics, chemistry and math
00:23:26.83\00:23:30.06
and then I passed
the National exam.
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That is like there high
school leaving exam in Rwanda.
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I was the number
two in the country
00:23:36.04\00:23:37.69
and I scored the perfect score.
00:23:37.72\00:23:41.05
So I went back in the camp.
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I had a hope that
I'd go to university,
00:23:43.45\00:23:46.94
I was somebody who had like
good grades in National exam.
00:23:46.97\00:23:50.00
But because I was a refugee,
00:23:50.03\00:23:51.95
I was not eligible
for any scholarship.
00:23:51.98\00:23:55.71
So my-- I didn't have
any hope by that time,
00:23:55.74\00:23:59.04
I was just praying
God, asking Him to bless me
00:23:59.07\00:24:03.56
and help me to get
like a scholarship,
00:24:03.59\00:24:06.34
keep continuing
my education and help
00:24:06.37\00:24:08.59
my brothers and sisters who
are there in the refugee camp.
00:24:08.62\00:24:12.88
I prayed but I've
been turned down for like
00:24:12.91\00:24:16.79
three scholarships
because I was a refugee.
00:24:16.82\00:24:19.62
Then one evening, I
went-- it was Friday,
00:24:19.65\00:24:23.08
I went in my room.
00:24:23.11\00:24:25.38
I prayed for-- it
was from Friday 6.00 p.m.
00:24:25.41\00:24:29.64
I went into my room,
I prayed and I get out
00:24:29.67\00:24:33.51
of my room at Saturday 6.00 p.m.
00:24:33.54\00:24:37.89
So the whole day in my
room praying God to help me,
00:24:37.92\00:24:42.08
to help me be
hopeful 'cause by that time
00:24:42.11\00:24:46.16
I didn't have any hope.
00:24:46.19\00:24:47.41
I was like I'm going to give up.
00:24:47.44\00:24:49.54
So the next Sunday I show
up, I was feeling really strong.
00:24:49.57\00:24:55.42
I don't know why
but I there is nobody
00:24:55.45\00:24:58.09
who told me any good news.
00:24:58.12\00:24:59.70
And with the next
morning when I show up,
00:24:59.73\00:25:03.89
when I wake up in the morning,
I went to this little school
00:25:03.92\00:25:07.04
that I will tell you
about the Hope school
00:25:07.07\00:25:09.98
that we've created
and they went there.
00:25:10.01\00:25:11.94
I was going just to
volunteer to help my kin,
00:25:11.97\00:25:14.01
my brothers and sisters
there and then Shoshon with his
00:25:14.04\00:25:17.80
organization they came
there and then they said,
00:25:17.83\00:25:21.37
"We're going to
give you a scholarship."
00:25:21.40\00:25:23.24
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:25:23.27\00:25:25.22
I was like, this
is God thing, God is--
00:25:25.25\00:25:29.09
God working. Yeah,
this is God working.
00:25:29.12\00:25:32.09
God is helping me so I got
involved with this organization
00:25:32.12\00:25:36.28
and now I 'm
going to school 12 hrs,
00:25:36.31\00:25:38.76
I'm going to school, to college
we had the great hope that
00:25:38.79\00:25:43.43
we will change our
brothers and sisters,
00:25:43.46\00:25:46.76
our Christians there
to grow up into something
00:25:46.79\00:25:50.21
that God want us to be.
00:25:50.24\00:25:52.56
Now let me ask you a
question. What happened?
00:25:52.59\00:25:54.11
Have you-- did you lose
any family members in this--
00:25:54.14\00:25:58.22
Well, I didn't
lose any family members
00:25:58.25\00:26:00.85
but I lost some
relatives on my dad's side.
00:26:00.88\00:26:05.77
Now I live with my cousin who
lost his mother and his sister.
00:26:05.80\00:26:12.25
So we live together
00:26:12.28\00:26:13.43
because my parents
are raising him right now.
00:26:13.46\00:26:16.54
He's 24. He's older than
me but since he was three,
00:26:16.57\00:26:19.83
four years old, he
didn't see his parents
00:26:19.86\00:26:21.83
because they were
killed in Mudende.
00:26:21.86\00:26:24.52
In the massacre there.
Yup, In the massacre there.
00:26:24.55\00:26:26.47
Well, what an amazing
story but the beauty of it is
00:26:26.50\00:26:29.22
and that's why I said
blessing because you know,
00:26:29.25\00:26:30.58
when you-- when
the door opens up,
00:26:30.61\00:26:32.74
it's not a roll of the
dice but it's a blessing
00:26:32.77\00:26:35.20
of the Lord opening that door.
00:26:35.23\00:26:36.35
He says, "I set
before you an open door
00:26:36.38\00:26:38.73
that no one can shut."
00:26:38.76\00:26:39.95
Shoshon, tell us about
that because Jean Paul is listed
00:26:39.98\00:26:43.63
as a Rwanda refugee scholar.
00:26:43.66\00:26:46.72
I want you to build on
that really briefly for us?
00:26:46.75\00:26:48.55
You know, I think
one of the things that
00:26:48.58\00:26:50.01
so impressed me was that,
out of that very dark despair
00:26:50.04\00:26:53.70
and that very difficult
life in a refuge camp with
00:26:53.73\00:26:57.10
no electricity,
no running water,
00:26:57.13\00:26:59.63
no formal
education, no real hope,
00:26:59.66\00:27:03.84
a group of students found
hope and faith through God.
00:27:03.87\00:27:06.62
And they gathered together
00:27:06.65\00:27:07.75
and they decided to build
themselves a small school.
00:27:07.78\00:27:10.64
It's unaccredited and they just
made it from sticks and mud.
00:27:10.67\00:27:14.23
It's covered with
United Nation's plastic. Wow.
00:27:14.26\00:27:16.74
And they called
it the Hope School.
00:27:16.77\00:27:18.58
And the fact that they
found that Hope School--
00:27:18.61\00:27:20.12
Here's a picture of that. Yeah.
00:27:20.15\00:27:21.18
And this is the school there.
00:27:21.21\00:27:22.86
It's actually quite
dark, the picture shows that
00:27:22.89\00:27:25.43
there is light but
there is no electricity.
00:27:25.46\00:27:27.18
That's just light
coming through the door.
00:27:27.21\00:27:29.67
That they made this school
and they had that initiative
00:27:29.70\00:27:31.75
and they had that vision.
00:27:31.78\00:27:33.02
And actually raised the
levy from the households
00:27:33.05\00:27:35.58
in the refuge camp of
about 10 cents per household
00:27:35.61\00:27:38.93
to build this school and
they educated each and other.
00:27:38.96\00:27:41.93
And they took
curriculum every where
00:27:41.96\00:27:43.68
they could to
share with one another.
00:27:43.71\00:27:45.95
To me, it was so inspiring.
00:27:45.98\00:27:47.49
And the Saturday that
Jean Paul was in prayer,
00:27:47.52\00:27:50.93
that Sabbath, I was in Rwanda
00:27:50.96\00:27:53.10
and you know, I
was born an atheist,
00:27:53.13\00:27:55.33
I came to the Lord
very late in my life.
00:27:55.36\00:27:57.96
I'm not a Seventh-day Adventist.
00:27:57.99\00:28:00.90
But most of my
friends are and I felt just
00:28:00.93\00:28:04.09
the power of God
when I heard the story,
00:28:04.12\00:28:06.64
just heavy on my heart.
00:28:06.67\00:28:08.47
And I called my boss and I said,
00:28:08.50\00:28:11.39
"You know, we
need to do something
00:28:11.42\00:28:12.78
about the scholars
in this refugee camp."
00:28:12.81\00:28:14.93
And my boss said to me,
"Well, you already spent
00:28:14.96\00:28:17.38
the money for the year,
you've selected your students.
00:28:17.41\00:28:19.21
We don't have any money."
00:28:19.24\00:28:20.52
And I said, "Yeah, I
know we don't have any money
00:28:20.55\00:28:22.51
but I just feel like
we need to do something."
00:28:22.54\00:28:24.21
And he said, "But we
don't have the funds.
00:28:24.24\00:28:25.56
What do you want me to do?"
00:28:25.59\00:28:26.62
And I said, "You know,
00:28:26.65\00:28:27.68
let me pay the
registration fee for university.
00:28:27.71\00:28:30.04
We don't have money
for tuition but let me pay
00:28:30.07\00:28:32.34
the registration fee
so they can begin to sit
00:28:32.37\00:28:34.45
in the classroom."
00:28:34.48\00:28:35.64
And we did that and
we allowed them to sit
00:28:35.67\00:28:37.89
and then we came
back to the United States
00:28:37.92\00:28:39.82
and we were blessed with
people who heard the story
00:28:39.85\00:28:42.66
and came up and
allowed us to pay that
00:28:42.69\00:28:44.42
first semesters of tuition.
00:28:44.45\00:28:46.80
But that Saturday, when
Jean Paul was in prayer,
00:28:46.83\00:28:49.48
I was in Rwanda and I just
felt the Lord lay on my heart
00:28:49.51\00:28:53.25
the desire and the
burden to be of service to these
00:28:53.28\00:28:58.65
young men and
women in the refugee camp
00:28:58.68\00:29:00.71
who kept their hope and
faith alive in a darkness
00:29:00.74\00:29:04.17
that you know, I myself I
know would have succumbed too.
00:29:04.20\00:29:06.92
Wow. And when you
think of coming in second
00:29:06.95\00:29:09.12
in the country
that National test,
00:29:09.15\00:29:11.74
when you didn't
have the preparation,
00:29:11.77\00:29:13.34
I mean, here you are
being raised in a refugee camp.
00:29:13.37\00:29:16.10
You are not
sitting in the schools
00:29:16.13\00:29:17.37
where you are getting
any SATs like here in America
00:29:17.40\00:29:19.79
or special instruction
in preparation for that.
00:29:19.82\00:29:22.28
So the Lord really
gave you a mind to focus
00:29:22.31\00:29:24.86
not on where I've come
from but where I'm headed.
00:29:24.89\00:29:28.97
But with the
same view of because
00:29:29.00\00:29:31.09
of where I've come
from, I cannot leave my
00:29:31.12\00:29:33.02
brothers and sisters
without any kind of aid.
00:29:33.05\00:29:35.20
Measuring to that, we have
some more photos, don't we?
00:29:35.23\00:29:38.69
I'd like you to
walk us through Nalini,
00:29:38.72\00:29:41.24
and but yeah, what
are we seeing here?
00:29:41.27\00:29:44.08
This is the new Adventist
College of Central Africa
00:29:44.11\00:29:47.38
and it's just brand new.
00:29:47.41\00:29:49.67
It was opened on February
00:29:49.70\00:29:52.24
by the President of
the General Conference.
00:29:52.27\00:29:55.54
And it's the state
of the art university.
00:29:55.57\00:29:58.57
It has an amazing facility to
house more than 5,000 students.
00:29:58.60\00:30:03.76
And we hope to be able to send
00:30:03.79\00:30:06.63
refugee
students to that college.
00:30:06.66\00:30:08.76
This year we got
1,000 applications, John.
00:30:08.79\00:30:11.25
And they were able
to choose just three.
00:30:11.28\00:30:13.90
They were only able to
choose three out of the 1,000.
00:30:13.93\00:30:16.77
Because they
didn't have the money.
00:30:16.80\00:30:18.79
Wow. We didn't have the money.
00:30:18.82\00:30:20.35
They were no funds.
00:30:20.38\00:30:21.94
I think it's really
part of God's restoration
00:30:21.97\00:30:24.63
that these young children
who had two and three years old
00:30:24.66\00:30:28.69
had lost family
members and loved ones at an
00:30:28.72\00:30:31.68
Adventist University
campus and their parents
00:30:31.71\00:30:35.39
and families were slaughtered,
while they sort refuge
00:30:35.42\00:30:37.55
on this campus and then
they spend 17 or 18 years
00:30:37.58\00:30:41.36
on a refugee camp.
00:30:41.39\00:30:42.94
Through the love
and the generosity
00:30:42.97\00:30:45.09
of the Global
Adventist Community,
00:30:45.12\00:30:46.87
we'll now be able to
return to a new campus
00:30:46.90\00:30:50.21
as scholars getting an
education that would help them
00:30:50.24\00:30:52.95
become leaders and
transform their community.
00:30:52.98\00:30:55.57
To me I see the hand of God
00:30:55.60\00:30:57.81
in this very
restorative and redemptive way.
00:30:57.84\00:31:00.62
You know, we have a student
there who was two years old
00:31:00.65\00:31:03.25
when that massacre took place.
00:31:03.28\00:31:04.95
His father was murdered
and he himself was thrown
00:31:04.98\00:31:08.61
into a burning hut to die.
00:31:08.64\00:31:11.95
They didn't even
bother to kill him.
00:31:11.98\00:31:14.04
They just threw him
literally into the fire.
00:31:14.07\00:31:16.44
He's got a scar on his face.
He's got scars on his body.
00:31:16.47\00:31:19.77
The fact that he is now been
able to return to a university,
00:31:19.80\00:31:23.32
there was the sight of
such pain and suffering
00:31:23.35\00:31:25.72
as a student and as a
scholar with the faith
00:31:25.75\00:31:28.79
and the morals to be a
leader that would be exemplary
00:31:28.82\00:31:32.25
and contribute to transformation
00:31:32.28\00:31:33.83
for 10, 20, 30,
40 years for decades.
00:31:33.86\00:31:37.81
To me it's just part
of God's plan unfolding.
00:31:37.84\00:31:40.29
And then Nalini from
India and Jean Paul from Africa
00:31:40.32\00:31:43.56
and me from the United
States would be brought together
00:31:43.59\00:31:46.97
in this plan unfolding,
just gives me goose bumps.
00:31:47.00\00:31:49.82
It makes me feel like that God
uses broken and humble people
00:31:49.85\00:31:54.86
such as myself and
my colleagues here to do
00:31:54.89\00:31:57.97
something great and restorative.
00:31:58.00\00:31:59.42
It just fills me
with a great hope.
00:31:59.45\00:32:02.10
An International Relief,
you want to insert something.
00:32:02.13\00:32:04.34
I just want to tell
you something, John.
00:32:04.37\00:32:06.49
When Shoshon brought this
story to his Adventist friends
00:32:06.52\00:32:08.80
you know, it was
like a chain reaction.
00:32:08.83\00:32:12.32
Everybody were like you know,
00:32:12.35\00:32:14.02
"Really, the
Adventists are there.
00:32:14.05\00:32:16.49
There are
Adventist stuck in this camp
00:32:16.52\00:32:18.01
and we didn't know about it."
00:32:18.04\00:32:19.51
It was not that, you
know, the Adventist church
00:32:19.54\00:32:22.90
knew about this population
that's there stuck in the camp,
00:32:22.93\00:32:26.00
they just didn't know about it.
00:32:26.03\00:32:27.63
You know, and
they didn't know that
00:32:27.66\00:32:28.82
there was this you
know, this whole group there
00:32:28.85\00:32:31.26
and they, you know,
they just wanted to help.
00:32:31.29\00:32:32.95
Everybody said, "We want to
get involved, tell us more."
00:32:32.98\00:32:35.72
And you know, that's
when we sat together and said,
00:32:35.75\00:32:37.77
"Yes, we need to
form Adventist Impact.
00:32:37.80\00:32:40.25
We need to do something for our
people who were so faithful,"
00:32:40.28\00:32:43.52
You know, they--
they are just like Daniel,
00:32:43.55\00:32:45.35
you know, modern day Daniels
in a modern day Babylonian camp.
00:32:45.38\00:32:48.33
These are, this is
exactly the story being
00:32:48.36\00:32:50.93
repeated and yet being faithful.
00:32:50.96\00:32:53.29
And everybody
wanted to be involved
00:32:53.32\00:32:55.17
and I just want to tell
all my Adventist friends
00:32:55.20\00:32:57.98
out there you
know, thank you so much,
00:32:58.01\00:32:59.68
you know, it was so encouraging.
00:32:59.71\00:33:01.34
Like you know we all got
together and we said my--
00:33:01.37\00:33:03.64
you know my boss
Justin, he always keeps,
00:33:03.67\00:33:07.08
he's not an Adventist.
00:33:07.11\00:33:08.37
He always keeps
telling, "Wow, you, you know,
00:33:08.40\00:33:11.13
every time we took
the story to an Adventist,
00:33:11.16\00:33:13.58
you Adventist always said,
we never knew how can we help."
00:33:13.61\00:33:18.99
You know, we never knew
the story but how can we help.
00:33:19.02\00:33:21.17
Wow. I want to-- You want
to add something, Jean Paul?
00:33:21.20\00:33:23.18
What I would like to add
is, like when they help us
00:33:23.21\00:33:27.14
like when they help us,
00:33:27.17\00:33:28.72
it brings hope to
others student there.
00:33:28.75\00:33:31.19
Amen. Yeah.
00:33:31.22\00:33:32.30
Because as
Adventist, we feel like
00:33:32.33\00:33:36.14
who want to help others,
who want to help others grow
00:33:36.17\00:33:39.60
and I need to
tell like just a story
00:33:39.63\00:33:43.55
of one of my I can say
my sister but she's not my--
00:33:43.58\00:33:49.85
because we live in the
same refugee camp for 17 years,
00:33:49.88\00:33:52.94
we call each other
brothers and sisters.
00:33:52.97\00:33:55.06
So she is a scholar.
00:33:55.09\00:33:56.91
She's been helped
by this organization
00:33:56.94\00:34:01.11
and we went in a
Catholic high school
00:34:01.14\00:34:05.45
where we were not
allowed to pray as Adventist.
00:34:05.48\00:34:08.84
They told us that we don't
want to go outside and pray.
00:34:08.87\00:34:12.37
If you want to pray, we
just need to help ourselves
00:34:12.40\00:34:15.82
but because we were
refugees in the camp
00:34:15.85\00:34:19.39
and we didn't have any pastor,
00:34:19.42\00:34:20.81
we said, "We can help ourselves
00:34:20.84\00:34:22.72
and then bring
others to a church.
00:34:22.75\00:34:25.52
So we formed, we
formed this kind of
00:34:25.55\00:34:28.61
like a church in
a Catholic univer--
00:34:28.64\00:34:30.56
in that Catholic high school.
00:34:30.59\00:34:31.62
And then we brought
many, many other student
00:34:32.34\00:34:36.36
and then we prayed.
00:34:36.39\00:34:37.43
We found like a-- A
church within a church.
00:34:37.46\00:34:40.51
A church within a church,
a church within high school.
00:34:40.54\00:34:43.49
A Catholic high school.
Yeah, a Catholic high school.
00:34:43.52\00:34:46.23
And now we are, this
spirit of helping one other,
00:34:46.26\00:34:51.19
we brought, we
took it to the Gihembe,
00:34:51.22\00:34:53.46
where we found this
high school where because
00:34:53.49\00:34:56.96
we go through to ninth
grade and this Hope school
00:34:56.99\00:35:00.84
that Shoshon was
talking about where we have
00:35:00.87\00:35:02.99
our brothers and sisters there.
00:35:03.02\00:35:05.93
We help them to grow in Christ.
00:35:05.96\00:35:08.68
We help them to
know how to read,
00:35:08.71\00:35:11.24
write and then go to
do the National exam,
00:35:11.27\00:35:14.26
get the high school diploma,
00:35:14.29\00:35:15.70
which is, I'm
really proud of that.
00:35:15.73\00:35:19.48
Lord is working in us to
help our brothers and sisters.
00:35:19.51\00:35:24.68
To make an
impact. To make an impact.
00:35:24.71\00:35:26.05
Now we're not all
done with the pictures.
00:35:26.08\00:35:27.66
I want you to walk us
through the remaining pictures
00:35:27.69\00:35:29.32
and then we
could play some video.
00:35:29.35\00:35:31.03
This is the mother and
father of one of our students,
00:35:31.06\00:35:35.40
Madus and Madus is just
an amazing young leader.
00:35:35.43\00:35:38.76
He's deeply involved
in the Adventist Church
00:35:38.79\00:35:41.53
within the camp, which is not
an official Adventist Church.
00:35:41.56\00:35:44.75
He's not an official pastor.
00:35:44.78\00:35:46.34
But he is on fire with the Lord.
00:35:46.37\00:35:49.33
And this is Nalini here,
becoming friends with people
00:35:49.36\00:35:52.99
who has just deep
faith has touched us all
00:35:53.02\00:35:56.32
and really,
really humbled us all.
00:35:56.35\00:35:58.35
You know, when we were
there praying she said that
00:35:58.38\00:35:59.90
she was praying the
whole night long for her son
00:35:59.93\00:36:02.57
and you contrast the
conditions in the camp where
00:36:02.60\00:36:05.30
this university room,
this is the place that scholars
00:36:05.33\00:36:08.22
from the camp are
able to go and study.
00:36:08.25\00:36:10.21
They are able to
go to the capital city
00:36:10.24\00:36:11.64
and get an education.
00:36:11.67\00:36:13.22
And you see the-- the
contrast in circumstances
00:36:13.25\00:36:16.72
that our program is able to
help bring to these students
00:36:16.75\00:36:20.50
who really if any body
has have really earned a seat
00:36:20.53\00:36:23.79
at the table and these
are three young scholars,
00:36:23.82\00:36:27.31
Kamali, Eric and Benson
who also are exemplary students
00:36:27.34\00:36:31.63
who grew up in the refugee camp
00:36:31.66\00:36:33.61
who survived those
massacres early in life
00:36:33.64\00:36:36.27
and now have been given
a chance to become leaders
00:36:36.30\00:36:39.30
of their community
through access to education.
00:36:39.33\00:36:42.56
Wow, and this is all a
part of Adventist Impact.
00:36:42.59\00:36:46.81
Talk about that
right now for me.
00:36:46.84\00:36:48.23
I want to--
because we are highlighting
00:36:48.26\00:36:49.98
not only the global
impact and the impact on those
00:36:50.01\00:36:54.97
who were raised in
refugee camps like Jean Paul
00:36:55.00\00:36:57.38
and now getting the education,
the scholar, but tell us,
00:36:57.41\00:37:00.01
broaden the scope
on Adventist Impact?
00:37:00.04\00:37:03.65
Adventist Impact was
actually inspired from
00:37:03.68\00:37:06.16
these refugee camps.
00:37:06.19\00:37:07.71
You know, after
going to the refugee camps,
00:37:07.74\00:37:09.88
we realized, you know,
the impact doesn't go away.
00:37:09.91\00:37:13.13
You know, the early,
the early missionaries
00:37:13.16\00:37:15.72
that went there left an
impact and these people believed
00:37:15.75\00:37:18.85
and they held on to that truth.
00:37:18.88\00:37:20.82
We came back and we
said, "We need to do something,
00:37:20.85\00:37:23.88
we need to get
involved as a church,
00:37:23.91\00:37:25.96
as a community
and we need to help
00:37:25.99\00:37:27.86
our brothers
and sisters in the--
00:37:27.89\00:37:29.41
on the other part of,
you know, the planet."
00:37:29.44\00:37:32.07
And we decided to
form Adventist Impact
00:37:32.10\00:37:34.57
where we cannot just get these
kids out of camp into a college
00:37:34.60\00:37:38.44
but even do other
things for the community there.
00:37:38.47\00:37:40.99
Right.
00:37:41.02\00:37:42.06
Get a school
built, get a you know,
00:37:42.09\00:37:45.16
a church built, get
them good medical care,
00:37:45.19\00:37:48.28
you know, get them
student missionaries to go there
00:37:48.31\00:37:50.32
and teach them at Hope school
00:37:50.35\00:37:52.17
and other schools
in the other camp.
00:37:52.20\00:37:53.96
Get the other camps to
get facilities that you know,
00:37:53.99\00:37:57.10
this one camp right now has,
the little that this one camp
00:37:57.13\00:37:59.85
right now has you know, and
there is just so much to do.
00:37:59.88\00:38:02.88
It's the conference in
itself 60,000 people you know.
00:38:02.91\00:38:06.49
And so we decided that
something has to be done,
00:38:06.52\00:38:09.70
and it has to be done
in a proper formal way
00:38:09.73\00:38:12.86
with the structure,
where people can you know,
00:38:12.89\00:38:14.94
know that there's an
organization that they can
00:38:14.97\00:38:16.55
go to in order to help
these people in the camp.
00:38:16.58\00:38:20.19
That's when we
found Adventist Impact.
00:38:20.22\00:38:22.56
I think that just the
fact that there are 60,000
00:38:22.59\00:38:25.51
Seventh-day Adventists who've
been living in refugee camps
00:38:25.54\00:38:29.03
for as long as 17 and 18
years in the middle of Rwanda
00:38:29.06\00:38:32.33
with no access to electricity,
very little access to water
00:38:32.36\00:38:36.11
no education
past the ninth grade,
00:38:36.14\00:38:38.54
that community
has kept the faith.
00:38:38.57\00:38:40.90
You know, they
have done every thing
00:38:40.93\00:38:41.98
that can be asked
of a devout follower.
00:38:42.01\00:38:44.07
They have kept the Sabbath.
00:38:44.10\00:38:45.37
They've kept the peace
00:38:45.40\00:38:46.68
and they have chosen
to educate themselves.
00:38:46.71\00:38:48.87
Can't we as a community
support them on the last leg
00:38:48.90\00:38:51.41
of that journey
and gather around those
00:38:51.44\00:38:53.64
60,000 Seventh-day Adventists
and do our part to help build
00:38:53.67\00:38:59.69
on that hope and
that transformation.
00:38:59.72\00:39:01.21
You know, that's powerful
that you are saying that
00:39:01.24\00:39:02.32
because if you look at what
happened on the hills of this
00:39:02.35\00:39:05.60
Rwandan tragedy
of the university,
00:39:05.63\00:39:09.14
became a ground, the
place where slaughter
00:39:09.17\00:39:12.41
took place but
now a new university
00:39:12.44\00:39:15.66
becomes a place
where hope takes place.
00:39:15.69\00:39:18.14
Where the future now it
starts to become bright.
00:39:18.17\00:39:20.47
I could imagine only
mentally what could have been,
00:39:20.50\00:39:23.77
now the university's
picture that you showed
00:39:23.80\00:39:26.06
where the slaughter took place.
00:39:26.09\00:39:27.20
Is that university
building still standing?
00:39:27.23\00:39:29.12
That university has
been purchased by the army
00:39:29.15\00:39:32.13
and is now on army barracks.
00:39:32.16\00:39:33.60
So the new university
is in a different location,
00:39:33.63\00:39:36.62
but for young student
who experience that trauma
00:39:36.65\00:39:39.89
as a toddler could be
able to now return to an
00:39:39.92\00:39:43.03
Adventist
University as a student,
00:39:43.06\00:39:45.77
with the right to attend
classes to become a doctor
00:39:45.80\00:39:48.74
or a nurse or a
teacher or a pastor.
00:39:48.77\00:39:51.34
To me again, it's
just God's redemptive power
00:39:51.37\00:39:53.90
in full glory and blossom
and just to be able to see it
00:39:53.93\00:39:57.70
and to touch it
and to be part of it,
00:39:57.73\00:40:00.06
to me has been a blessing
and I think that's the blessing
00:40:00.09\00:40:02.32
that all of us
can participate in.
00:40:02.35\00:40:03.95
Wow, that's nice.
00:40:03.98\00:40:05.01
The rebel effect is
gonna go off for generations.
00:40:05.04\00:40:07.70
Now tell us
about this video roll
00:40:07.73\00:40:09.07
that we are about to see also.
00:40:09.10\00:40:10.44
Well, this just
helps explain the story
00:40:10.47\00:40:12.14
as succinctly as possible.
00:40:12.17\00:40:13.90
It's a little
bit about my story,
00:40:13.93\00:40:15.68
how as an atheist,
I became a Christian
00:40:15.71\00:40:17.81
and God prepared my
heart to really listen
00:40:17.84\00:40:20.40
to the plight of the
Adventist refugees in Rwanda.
00:40:20.43\00:40:23.75
But also about this
community of young kids
00:40:23.78\00:40:26.57
who grew up in a refugee camp
00:40:26.60\00:40:28.52
and shows hope and
shows light even though
00:40:28.55\00:40:30.97
they had
witnessed such darkness.
00:40:31.00\00:40:32.58
That they sought
to educate themselves
00:40:32.61\00:40:34.43
and educate one
another and that through their
00:40:34.46\00:40:36.81
hard work and perseverance,
scholars like Jean Paul
00:40:36.84\00:40:39.94
who had a perfect score in
physics, chemistry and math.
00:40:39.97\00:40:44.71
You know, the top
student in the entire nation,
00:40:44.74\00:40:47.33
that his effort
should be rewarded
00:40:47.36\00:40:50.19
with the
opportunity to go to university.
00:40:50.22\00:40:52.65
That's really what
the video is about.
00:40:52.68\00:40:54.38
Okay.
00:40:54.41\00:40:55.85
I didn't grow up a Christian.
00:41:04.06\00:41:05.59
I come from a family of
atheist and before I was 20,
00:41:05.62\00:41:09.00
I never even set
foot in a church.
00:41:09.03\00:41:11.27
When I moved to
Portland, I was really welcomed
00:41:11.30\00:41:13.88
by a great group of people.
00:41:13.91\00:41:15.73
They became my friends.
00:41:15.76\00:41:16.94
In this Adventist community,
welcoming into their homes,
00:41:16.97\00:41:20.62
our children
played games together
00:41:20.65\00:41:22.20
and we served the
community together.
00:41:22.23\00:41:24.15
I stumbled upon a
group of people who've just
00:41:24.18\00:41:26.62
enormous integrity
and I didn't know it then
00:41:26.65\00:41:29.63
but I feel like God
was preparing my heart
00:41:29.66\00:41:31.92
for something in the
future that was important,
00:41:31.95\00:41:34.06
something to do with
the Adventist community.
00:41:34.09\00:41:36.42
When my work took me to Rwanda,
00:41:36.45\00:41:38.04
I stumbled upon a
story of Congolese refugees.
00:41:38.07\00:41:41.39
I met students
from the refugee camp
00:41:41.42\00:41:43.38
and I was shocked to
learn that 80% of these refugees
00:41:43.41\00:41:47.03
were in fact Adventists.
00:41:47.06\00:41:48.31
Can we ask if
any of the students
00:41:48.64\00:41:50.10
are Seventh-day Adventist?
00:41:50.13\00:41:52.65
Yeah. Can ask. Yeah.
00:41:52.68\00:41:54.37
Yes.
00:41:57.02\00:41:58.09
Can you raise your hands?
00:41:58.12\00:42:00.95
Most of them.
Yeah, most of them.
00:42:00.98\00:42:04.17
I was fascinated by their story
and I kept thinking deeper.
00:42:04.20\00:42:07.29
What I learned is
that they had settled
00:42:07.32\00:42:08.66
in the refugee camps after
fleeing violence in the Congo.
00:42:08.69\00:42:11.93
And they lived in some of
those camps for nearly 20 years.
00:42:11.96\00:42:16.21
On the outside, those
camps are deplorable places.
00:42:16.24\00:42:19.05
There's extreme poverty.
00:42:19.08\00:42:20.49
People live in
small-doored huts.
00:42:20.52\00:42:22.56
There is no running
water, there is no electricity
00:42:22.59\00:42:25.27
and they only receive
about 24 cents a day for food.
00:42:25.30\00:42:28.66
But when we met the young people
00:42:28.69\00:42:30.32
in these camps,
everything changed.
00:42:30.35\00:42:33.08
My name is Jean Paul Mugisha,
I am a refugee from Congo,
00:42:33.11\00:42:36.84
I've spent the last 17 years
00:42:36.87\00:42:38.79
in the Gihembe Camp in Rwanda.
00:42:38.82\00:42:41.34
When I was 3 years
old, my family fled Congo
00:42:41.37\00:42:44.04
and came here to Gihembe
due to conflicts in my country.
00:42:44.07\00:42:47.33
I am the oldest
among the 7 children.
00:42:47.36\00:42:50.20
I love engineering and
figuring out how things work.
00:42:50.23\00:42:53.85
My big vision is, that one day
00:42:53.88\00:42:56.34
I will bring electricity
to my home village in Congo.
00:42:56.37\00:42:59.94
Jean Paul began his
education journey in a very
00:42:59.97\00:43:03.11
humble tiny dirt
primary school in a refuge camp,
00:43:03.14\00:43:08.02
a place with no electricity,
a place with no textbooks.
00:43:08.05\00:43:11.50
He excelled there
working really diligently.
00:43:11.53\00:43:14.04
But everybody was
amazed when he went to take
00:43:14.07\00:43:16.68
the Rwanda
National High School exam.
00:43:16.71\00:43:18.65
To the surprise of everyone,
00:43:18.68\00:43:20.57
Jean Paul received perfect 100%.
00:43:20.60\00:43:24.00
When I got the 100%, no
one could believe it, even me.
00:43:24.03\00:43:28.26
But I worked hard, and
I knew I could do that.
00:43:28.29\00:43:31.81
And I did it.
00:43:31.84\00:43:32.88
Jean Paul's score
on the National exam
00:43:32.91\00:43:35.48
qualified him for the Rwandan
Presidential Scholarship.
00:43:35.51\00:43:38.59
A much sough after
full rights scholarship
00:43:38.62\00:43:41.16
to an American University.
00:43:41.19\00:43:42.87
It meant that instead of
living in a small dirt hut
00:43:42.90\00:43:45.45
in a refuge camp, he
would have the opportunity
00:43:45.48\00:43:47.85
to travel to United
States and come back
00:43:47.88\00:43:50.05
with the virtual guarantee
of a job that could lift him
00:43:50.08\00:43:53.22
and his entire
family out of poverty.
00:43:53.25\00:43:55.44
But as quickly as the
joy came, it was gone.
00:43:55.47\00:43:58.47
When Jean Paul was
filling up the paper work
00:43:58.50\00:44:00.79
for the scholarship,
he was informed that
00:44:00.82\00:44:03.05
the scholarship was only
awarded to Rwandan citizens
00:44:03.08\00:44:05.89
and as a Congolese
refugee, he was ineligible.
00:44:05.92\00:44:09.02
I was so close to
scholarship in America.
00:44:09.05\00:44:11.81
I was really sad and upset.
00:44:11.84\00:44:14.07
So my next goal was attending
the best university in Rwanda.
00:44:14.10\00:44:17.92
I was admitted but my parents
00:44:17.95\00:44:20.06
could not
afford to pay for that.
00:44:20.09\00:44:22.69
As a devout Adventist, I
knew I should never give up.
00:44:22.72\00:44:26.69
I have to wake up
and keep my hope alive.
00:44:26.72\00:44:29.81
I started
volunteering at Hope School,
00:44:29.84\00:44:32.28
teaching math and sciences.
00:44:32.31\00:44:34.28
After we met Jean Paul,
and then heard the stories
00:44:34.31\00:44:37.31
of other
refugees, who studied hard,
00:44:37.34\00:44:39.61
got amazing grades.
00:44:39.64\00:44:41.01
But whose dreams
that was crushed out
00:44:41.04\00:44:43.45
due to the refugee status.
00:44:43.48\00:44:45.14
We knew we had to do something.
00:44:45.17\00:44:46.82
With the help of
our amazing supporters,
00:44:46.85\00:44:49.31
last year we were able
to offer 12 of Gihembe's
00:44:49.34\00:44:52.02
brightest refuge
students, a chance to continue
00:44:52.05\00:44:54.96
their journey and
attend university in Rwanda.
00:44:54.99\00:44:58.56
When we heard the news
that These Numbers Have Faces
00:44:58.59\00:45:00.64
had selected 12 students,
00:45:00.67\00:45:03.35
it was like the best
day in my life, ever.
00:45:03.38\00:45:07.17
The whole camp was celebrating.
00:45:07.20\00:45:08.77
And we were
really excited and happy.
00:45:08.80\00:45:12.30
Now a year later,
the original refugees
00:45:12.33\00:45:14.62
are thriving in
universities throughout Rwanda.
00:45:14.65\00:45:17.80
We started with 12.
00:45:17.83\00:45:19.34
But our vision is hundreds more.
00:45:19.37\00:45:22.05
I've been working with
00:45:22.08\00:45:23.12
Adventist
Development Organizations
00:45:23.15\00:45:25.07
for over seven years.
00:45:25.10\00:45:26.82
But what I saw at
these refugee camps
00:45:26.85\00:45:29.50
is unlike
anything I've seen before.
00:45:29.53\00:45:32.90
Today there are over
100,000 Congolese refugees
00:45:32.93\00:45:36.53
in Rwanda and nearly
all of them are Adventist.
00:45:36.56\00:45:40.77
Many of them are
extremely bright students
00:45:40.80\00:45:43.28
like Jean Paul who
need our help in completing
00:45:43.31\00:45:46.57
the last leg of their journey.
00:45:46.60\00:45:48.88
These are courageous students.
00:45:48.91\00:45:50.51
I'd like to call
them modern day Daniels
00:45:50.54\00:45:52.62
in modern day Babylonian camps.
00:45:52.65\00:45:54.48
Growing up in conditions,
you can't even imagine.
00:45:54.51\00:45:58.00
But with our
help they can become
00:45:58.03\00:45:59.67
the next
generation of African leaders.
00:45:59.70\00:46:02.32
I had the hope that one
day I would change things
00:46:02.35\00:46:05.33
and one day I
will be a great person
00:46:05.36\00:46:08.60
who will change the world.
00:46:08.63\00:46:10.10
I hope you join us.
00:46:10.13\00:46:11.47
Because together we
can do what must be done.
00:46:11.50\00:46:16.93
That's an amazing
documentary of what God can do
00:46:22.53\00:46:25.74
when a person decides
to simply submit his life
00:46:25.77\00:46:28.90
to the leading
of the Holy Spirit.
00:46:28.93\00:46:30.32
It's an amazing transformation
to go from atheist to what
00:46:30.35\00:46:32.90
you're doing now to
advance the cause of God.
00:46:32.93\00:46:35.47
Build on that just
a little more Shoshon,
00:46:35.50\00:46:38.10
and just wrap it
with what we just saw.
00:46:38.13\00:46:40.18
You know, I'm really
humbled when I see that video
00:46:40.21\00:46:42.65
and I see that small
school that's just made of dirt
00:46:42.68\00:46:46.71
and mud and posted over sticks
and in such a humble place
00:46:46.74\00:46:50.82
to see such faith at
puts my faith to shame.
00:46:50.85\00:46:53.96
You see such perseverance
that puts my efforts to shame.
00:46:53.99\00:46:57.17
I really see God
living and working in those
00:46:57.20\00:47:00.31
young lives in
that refugee camp.
00:47:00.34\00:47:03.03
You know when they
raised their hand and said,
00:47:03.06\00:47:04.74
"Yes, we are
Seventh-day Adventist."
00:47:04.77\00:47:06.27
And when they keep the
Sabbath, when you see that
00:47:06.30\00:47:08.39
strength of faith in
such difficult circumstances,
00:47:08.42\00:47:10.91
I just feel inspired
and touched and humbled
00:47:10.94\00:47:14.31
and I think you
know, I would like to share
00:47:14.34\00:47:16.64
the story of
Alice, who is a student,
00:47:16.67\00:47:18.90
who grew up in that refuge camp.
00:47:18.93\00:47:20.94
She became a
teacher in that school.
00:47:20.97\00:47:23.08
A volunteer teacher
and she was offered a job,
00:47:23.11\00:47:27.49
a paid job as a
teacher at a different location
00:47:27.52\00:47:30.27
and she turned it down.
00:47:30.30\00:47:31.75
Even though she
lives on 24 cents a day
00:47:31.78\00:47:34.24
and perhaps one meal a
day to eat with her mother.
00:47:34.27\00:47:37.15
She said, "I can't
take a paying job because
00:47:37.18\00:47:39.09
I can't leave my brothers and
sisters in this humble school."
00:47:39.12\00:47:42.75
You know, her dream was to
become an electrical engineer
00:47:42.78\00:47:45.88
and through our
program, we finally found
00:47:45.91\00:47:48.08
a university program
that she could enter.
00:47:48.11\00:47:50.83
And within her first
semester at that university,
00:47:50.86\00:47:53.94
she had beaten every
other student in the entire
00:47:53.97\00:47:56.63
university in an electrical
engineering competition.
00:47:56.66\00:48:00.43
And they selected her to
fly to India to represent
00:48:00.46\00:48:03.25
the university at an
00:48:03.28\00:48:04.67
International Electrical
Engineering Conference.
00:48:04.70\00:48:07.82
When you have
that kind of talent
00:48:07.85\00:48:09.37
and that kind of
fortitude and the moral clarity
00:48:09.40\00:48:11.86
that the student
like Alice shows,
00:48:11.89\00:48:13.72
even from such a
humble place as that
00:48:13.75\00:48:16.15
Hope School, I'm inspired.
00:48:16.18\00:48:18.67
And I think
that, that inspiration,
00:48:18.70\00:48:20.25
that vision of
what those students have
00:48:20.28\00:48:21.81
been able to show us is really
worth supporting in a big way.
00:48:21.84\00:48:25.97
We should be able to
support more than just
00:48:26.00\00:48:27.66
one or two or three students,
there's five refugee camps,
00:48:27.69\00:48:31.41
there is 60,000 Adventists,
00:48:31.44\00:48:33.38
they are
thousands of other kids,
00:48:33.41\00:48:35.79
many of whom are as
intelligent as Jean Paul
00:48:35.82\00:48:38.71
and as dedicated as Alice.
00:48:38.74\00:48:40.98
Can't we as a community
support them as they begin
00:48:41.01\00:48:44.90
their journey in
life to become leaders
00:48:44.93\00:48:46.92
and transform their situation?
00:48:46.95\00:48:48.75
You know, Nalini, I
want to bring you in here
00:48:48.78\00:48:50.76
to talk about some of
the ways that we can help.
00:48:50.79\00:48:53.29
Because with Adventist
Impact, I understand also,
00:48:53.32\00:48:55.49
that ADRA was
helping to fund education
00:48:55.52\00:48:58.32
for the students
up to ninth grade.
00:48:58.35\00:49:00.10
Praise the Lord for that.
00:49:00.13\00:49:01.20
But now talk to our
audience about some of the ways
00:49:01.23\00:49:04.17
that the help can continue
00:49:04.20\00:49:05.99
and I know
definitely financial help.
00:49:06.02\00:49:07.92
Any other things that
we could participate in?
00:49:07.95\00:49:09.96
Oh, wow.
00:49:09.99\00:49:11.57
The need are so
many, John, you know,
00:49:11.60\00:49:14.67
I can just go on and on but
what we really need right now,
00:49:14.70\00:49:18.35
is to make sure that
this community is being helped
00:49:18.38\00:49:22.28
to come out of the camps.
00:49:22.31\00:49:24.33
You know, to get a
better life out of the camp.
00:49:24.36\00:49:26.72
To have a more
meaningful, full life.
00:49:26.75\00:49:29.12
You would have
seen the graphics,
00:49:29.15\00:49:30.86
the pictures of these camps.
00:49:30.89\00:49:31.92
They are terrible.
00:49:31.95\00:49:32.98
The conditions are
just like not livable.
00:49:33.01\00:49:34.99
So no residences? No residence.
00:49:35.02\00:49:36.91
So we, the only
way out is education.
00:49:36.94\00:49:40.42
You know,
education and knowing God.
00:49:40.45\00:49:42.33
They already-- this
is a group of people
00:49:42.36\00:49:44.39
where the seed is
planted and it's growing.
00:49:44.42\00:49:46.98
Now we need to help them
come out of that, you know,
00:49:47.01\00:49:49.50
out of that tragedy
that they're stuck in.
00:49:49.53\00:49:51.18
That's one need.
00:49:51.21\00:49:52.42
The second need is you
know as I told you education
00:49:52.45\00:49:55.91
for university
students but primary education.
00:49:55.94\00:49:59.21
That's very important.
00:49:59.24\00:50:00.27
They have just one school
in one camp, the Hope School.
00:50:00.30\00:50:03.56
It's very small.
00:50:03.59\00:50:04.81
It doesn't supply the needs
00:50:04.84\00:50:06.58
to for all the
other camps you know.
00:50:06.61\00:50:08.55
We have other, five other camps
00:50:08.58\00:50:10.58
without any school, without
any proper primary education.
00:50:10.61\00:50:13.71
ADRA is there.
00:50:13.74\00:50:14.82
But they maybe pulling
out because that's what
00:50:14.85\00:50:16.99
the UN wants them to do.
00:50:17.02\00:50:18.86
You know, so they
have to go to the cities
00:50:18.89\00:50:21.39
to get an education
which most of these kids
00:50:21.42\00:50:23.19
cannot go there in the
refugee camps you know.
00:50:23.22\00:50:25.74
So we need to get them
to be able to go to other
00:50:25.77\00:50:28.29
Adventist schools or
other schools in the city
00:50:28.32\00:50:30.67
where they have
boarding facilities
00:50:30.70\00:50:32.41
so they can get
primary education.
00:50:32.44\00:50:34.22
I want to insert
here for the audiences
00:50:34.25\00:50:36.46
watching and
listening to the program,
00:50:36.49\00:50:39.84
you know there are those of you
that can support financially.
00:50:39.87\00:50:43.02
And I want to give you
the address and information
00:50:43.05\00:50:44.91
that you can contact
to find out other ways
00:50:44.94\00:50:47.71
that you could make
life much better for those
00:50:47.74\00:50:50.08
that are still in
these deprived conditions.
00:50:50.11\00:50:52.44
Every student has the power
to build the hopeful future.
00:50:56.06\00:50:59.25
If you would like to
know more about this ministry
00:50:59.28\00:51:01.55
or how you can support
it, then you can write to
00:51:01.58\00:51:04.00
Adventist Impact, 2500
Willamette Falls Drive,
00:51:04.03\00:51:08.32
West Linn, OR 97068.
00:51:08.35\00:51:11.74
That's Adventist Impact,
2500 Willamette Falls Drive,
00:51:11.77\00:51:16.66
West Linn, OR 97068.
00:51:16.69\00:51:20.11
You can call 661-334-0451.
00:51:20.14\00:51:24.24
That's 661-334-0451.
00:51:24.27\00:51:28.41
Or you can visit them
online at adventistimpact.org.
00:51:28.44\00:51:33.43
That's adventistimpact.org.
00:51:33.46\00:51:37.36