I want to spend my life
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Spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C.A Murray
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and allow me to
thank you once again
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for sharing just a
little of your day with us.
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To thank you also for your love,
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your prayers,
your support of 3ABN
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and for assisting us in
doing what we feel called to do
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and that's to lift up
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the mighty and
matchless name of Jesus.
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Today, we're
gonna be talking about
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Christian Record
Services for the Blind
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and what they do
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and the long history of services
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that they have to
the blind community.
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Got three
handsome gentlemen here
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and we'll start at
the far with Keith Elliot.
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Keith, how are you doing?
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Oh, great. Good to be here.
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Good to have you here.
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Keith Elliot is the
field and camp director for--
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I guess we can see say CRSB
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and say because
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Christian Record
Services for the Blind
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is kind of a mouthful.
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Sure.
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Of course, there is for me.
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And then Larry Hubbell,
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area director for
Lake and Columbia Unions.
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Larry, good to have you here.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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Then I think we
got the livewire here
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we'll save for last.
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This is Collin McCubbin,
is that correct, Collin?
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Yes, sure it is. Yeah.
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Collin is a--
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I want to say
poster child but he is not.
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No, no,
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I'm actually
currently going to school,
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Lansing Community
College trying to get my degree.
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Good man. All right.
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But you certainly have taken
advantage of these services.
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We want to talk about
your experience with camp
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and Collin's a fun guy.
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He has been sort of
keeping us light and loose
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as we're getting
ready for this program.
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But we're gonna talk
about the camp programs,
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both summer and
winter, gentleman, I'm told.
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And you may know someone
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who can use these
services or may yourself be one,
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so we're gonna
talk about that today,
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and we'll kind of give you
an expose of what CRSB or C.
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Yeah, Christian Rec CRSB,
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I want to say CSRB,
CRSB does for this community.
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I want to start with you,
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I think, Keith, to get
a little backward on you?
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Where you from?
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I live in Lincoln, Nebraska,
our headquarters right now.
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Grew up in Michigan,
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spent about 20 years
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in Tennessee as a representative
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and the area director and then,
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but 11 years ago I
moved to Lincoln, Nebraska,
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as a field and camp director.
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How did you get connected
with Christian Record Services?
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Well, growing up I
had very good eyesight.
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I was very thankful
that I could see and well
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and wanted to do
something for those that didn't.
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And I learned
about Christian Record
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when I was a
teacher in high school,
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high school teacher
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and started back
in 1984 in the summer.
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And I've been
with Christian Record
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ever since, 30,
almost 31 years now.
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Praise the Lord.
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Did you grow up
in Adventist home?
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No.
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No, I became an Adventist
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while I was living
in Florida working for
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the Florida
Department of Agriculture.
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They put me in an
office with an Adventist
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like they said
that was something bad,
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you know.
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I decided to work with anybody
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but the Holy
Spirit worked on my heart
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and I gave my
heart to Christ then,
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and became a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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Praise the Lord. Yeah.
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That's a great story.
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So you carved
some territory, man,
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we have Michigan,
Florida, every time you talk
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I hear another
state thrown in that.
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You've been around a little bit,
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but in education I
guess for a little while.
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Yes. Praise the Lord.
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Larry, same question,
Adventist home growing up?
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Most all my life.
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Uh-huh.
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A lifer, I like that preamble.
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We praise the Lord for that.
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How did you get connected
with Christian Record Services?
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Well, I don't know if
I should say this or not
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but I had a neighbor
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that was a rep for
Christian Record Services
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and he wanted to go
into the gospel ministry
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and so he wanted to
get out of Christian Record
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for some reason, I
couldn't figure it out
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but and so he says Larry,
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he didn't want to--
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He didn't want to go
without replacing himself
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so he says, "Larry,
you need to take my place."
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And so I kind of didn't know,
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you know, because
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I was literature
evangelist for over 25 years.
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I just thought that probably
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I'd be a literature
evangelist the rest of my life.
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But I did apply,
and so they accepted me
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and here I am for 20 years now.
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Wow. Praise the Lord.
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I have great respect
for literature evangelist.
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When I was working
on my theology degree,
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we had to spent some
part of our vacation,
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winter break,
spring break or all summer
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doing canvassing work
they call it back then,
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just you could have the
flavor, and I got the flavor
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and I still got that
taste in my mouth, I can't--
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Oh, yeah.
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Dismal failure.
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I just couldn't do any good.
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First of all I'm a
sucker for a hard luck story,
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so I would just give the book
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where you got to
place that money.
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You know, if
we're giving stuff away
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and taken out of your
pocket, you can't make any money
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so, and I think I
have a rejection phobia,
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when you give your
canvas, the person says no,
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just don't want to bothered.
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It's not my cup of tea
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but I have great respect
for those who make a living
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and who do well at
selling literature,
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but I can pass out
literature and give it away
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but that selling part
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that I seem to
have a problem with it.
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So you get along
with Christian Record
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very well because
that's what we do.
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We give all of
the reading material
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and I have every
book plus a lot more
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than I had when I was
a literature evangelist.
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Praise the Lord. Good deal.
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Brother Collin?
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I may help you.
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Give me a little
background? Where are you from?
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I'm from the little town
called Grand Ledge, Michigan
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and I grew up in a
big family actually,
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loving parents.
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And you said you wanted to know
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how many family
members I had, right?
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Yeah. Twenty six.
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Twenty six? Twenty six.
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Twenty six? Twenty six.
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We said it three times now.
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Yeah. Two six.
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Two six.
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My soul.
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And I say in Spanish--
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Yeah.
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Now where are
you in that number,
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do you know?
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No.
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A bunch before
and a bunch after.
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Probably in the middle
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so you know when you
get knocked around sometimes
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but that's to be expected.
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How did you hear about
Christian Record Services?
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Well, my mom
actually knew Larry somehow.
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I'm not sure how she knows him
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but I remember
Larry used to pick us up,
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take us all over the
place for summer camps.
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Those are some
awesome activities.
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I like the summer
ones the best though,
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as you can swim, hiking.
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Well, I guess
being a Michigan guy,
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I don't know how
happier your town is,
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if it's Upper
Peninsula or of it's lower down.
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Lower, it's in the lower. Okay.
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Right. Right by
the capital. Okay.
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Well, Michigan
knows how to do winter.
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Being right from
Buffalo, New York,
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I know a little
bit about winter too.
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Sometimes I even
wear shorts in the winters
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so I've been
known for doing that.
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Bless your heart.
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Gentlemen, give me
just a little history
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on Christian Record Services.
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How old is the institution?
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Christian
Record started in 1899,
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a blind man Austin Wilson
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produced a braille magazine
called the Christian Record
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and we still produce that today.
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So we started our
camping program in 1967
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so we're coming close
to 50 years of blind camps.
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Wow. Praise the Lord.
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I know we're going
to center around camp.
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We'll go to our
music in just a moment.
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We're going to
center around camp,
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but give me
just a broad overview
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of some of the other
services that you provide,
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then we kind of
honing on our camp
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because that's what
we're here for today.
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Sure. Sure.
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Well, it started out
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with the braille
magazine Christian Record then,
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and so we produce books
and magazines in braille
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and Bibles and Bible
lessons and things like that.
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We have audio
books and large print.
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We have a scholarship program
for blind college students
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and we have some special things
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I want to show you later
for special blind people,
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veterans who are blind
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and for little
children that are blind,
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so I'll show you that later.
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So you're
consistent, not consistent
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but the people that
your target audience
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not just young people
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but cradles to the
grave kind of thing,
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I mean you're full service.
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That's correct. Yeah.
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And around the world, we
opened I think 77 countries,
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and of course you'd expect
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that the US has the
most number of our clients,
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Canada is number two,
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but you'd probably never guess
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who number three is?
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I probably wouldn't.
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No. Malawi. Wow.
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Yes, they get a lot
of braille in Malawi.
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My soul.
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So this goes to any
English speaking country,
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we also have Spanish material
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that Colombia is another country
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that gets a lot
of Spanish material
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from Christian Record.
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There's a lot of
blind people there
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and there, they are planning
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that the Union down there
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is planning the
blind camp this fall.
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That will be their spring
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but for the
very first blind camp
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in Colombia will be in October.
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Oh, Praise the Lord.
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I want to go to our
music and then come back
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because when you
think of camping,
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you think of a
kinds of activities
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that one associates with camp.
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You wouldn't think necessarily
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that blind people
could participate in
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and have fun and be
free to do those things
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but of course they are,
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and we want to
walk through that,
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I know you
brought some pictures,
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we got some video,
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and I think it's a
very, very exciting thing that
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because you're sight challenged,
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you're not struck in the house,
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you're not struck
and you can get out
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and enjoy those kinds of thing.
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So we want to talk about that.
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Before we do,
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Neville Peter is here
and he is going to be singing
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"Draw Me Nearer"
and it's a medley
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that includes "I
Need Thee Every Hour."
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I need You every hour
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Most gracious Lord
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No tender voice like Yours
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Can peace afford
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I need You every hour
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Please stay right here
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Temptations lose their power
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When You are near
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So draw me nearer,
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Nearer to the cross
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Where my Savior died
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Draw me nearer
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Still nearer
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To Your precious
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Bleeding side
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That's where I want to be Lord
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Hallelujah
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I need You every hour
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In joy and pain
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Come quickly and abide
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Or my life is vain
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I need You every hour
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Teach me Your will
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Your precious promises
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In me fulfill
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Draw me nearer
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Nearer to the cross
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Where my Savior died
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Draw me nearer
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Still nearer
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To Your precious
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Bleeding side
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That's where I want to be
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I want to be nearer
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Draw me nearer
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Nearer to the cross
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Where my Savior died
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Draw me nearer
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Still nearer to Your precious
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Bleeding side
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That's where I want to be Lord
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I want to be nearer
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To Your bleeding
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Side
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Neville Peter, well done,
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and we thank him so
very much for that medley.
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Keith Elliot, Larry Hubbell,
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and Collin
McCubbin, McCubbin or Cubbin.
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McCubbin.
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McCubbin are here
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and we're
talking about the work of
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Christian Record
Services for the Blind
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and the work that they do.
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We are going to
go into gentlemen
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a little bit of
discussion of the camp program.
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Been around since the 60s.
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I did not know
that it was that old.
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How many camps are there
spread out across the country?
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This summer we'll
have 12 camps across the US
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and then we
have one winter camp,
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so we have 12 summer
camps and one winter camp and...
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And those camps are spread
out across the United States,
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they're in different places?
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All over from
Washington to California,
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Florida, Maine.
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So here in the States
you can probably get to one,
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it's not too far away.
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We don't have
one in every state,
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we'd like to but we try to get,
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make sure that all blind kids
get to go to one of the camps.
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How do you find
your constituency
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the people that the--
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they contact you,
you go looking of them,
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you get referrals,
how does that happen?
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Many, many ways.
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We have 40 representatives
all over the country
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who will spent
part of their time
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looking for blind
for to be clients,
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both adults and
children and we contact schools,
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we contact eye doctors
that see people who go blind
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and then
referrals from our clients.
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You know, a lot of times
Collin will tell me about,
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you know, somebody he knows
that could use our services.
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When you, Collin,
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when you first went to the
camp or even before you went,
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did you have any expectations
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as to what it
was going to be like,
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what you're going to do?
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Did anybody kind of
give you little heads up
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or you kind of just
taken it as they came?
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Just take it as it goes.
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We do the same
activities as everyone else.
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The only difference is we
need that extra assistance
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because just for safety reasons.
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Now you say the same activities,
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give me some, an example?
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Well, swimming, boating.
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In some of the camps
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you get to go water-skiing too
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and, well, biking of course,
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so it's pretty much
what a normal camper does.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So the only
difference is we get--
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I mean like the extra assistance
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if we needed.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Now, water-skiing
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is someone in the,
on the skis next to you
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or you just did kind
of trusting that boat
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that it's not gonna send
you into a wall or something
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out of nowhere.
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Well, I have to put it this way,
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everyone's in the boat.
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And you're only
one out there so.
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So you're the
only one out there.
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For water-skiing, yeah.
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Wow. Okay. Okay.
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Have you done that?
Have you actually done that?
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I have but I didn't do
it through Christian Record,
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I did it through
a different camp.
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But you have water-skiing?
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I have water-skiing
but I'm kind of bad at it.
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You know, I got--
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I have eyes and
I'm bad at it too,
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so don't worry about that.
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See, I was blind,
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I went to blind
school till sixth grade.
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I didn't know, pastor.
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And then I had-- Well, I guess
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I have had a
dozen eye operations
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and I got enough sight
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to be mainlined
into public school,
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and then in the last,
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oh, since I've been at 3ABN
maybe another four operations
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so I have-- I know
what it is not to have sight
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and then have a little
sight and then have little more
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and then not going
back the other way,
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losing my sight again.
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Yeah, you have a
lot to be thankful for.
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You know, it is.
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It is quite a lot to be thankful
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and I'm also
thankful for groups like yours
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that really reach
out that community
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because it's a challenge
but obviously they have fun.
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How long are the camps sessions
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when, you know, for each camp?
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Yeah, most camps are a week.
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Some our bike
camps are little shorter
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depending on the number of days
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they bike in and
things like that,
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but, yeah, most of our
camps run from Sunday to Sunday.
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Yeah, now you've
mentioned this bike camp idea.
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How does that work?
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I'll let Larry talk about that.
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He coordinates our
Michigan blind bike ride.
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Uh-huh.
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Well, what it is, we
use bicycle built for two.
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We put the sighted
person in the front,
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blind person in the back.
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Now, when I first started
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before I started,
Heaven Blind Bikers Camp,
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there was another one
blind bikers camp in Tennessee
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and what they did was
they went to 187 miles
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on the Natchez Trace
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from Nashville,
Tennessee to Tupelo, Mississippi
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in two and half days.
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Man, that's--
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That's covering
a lot of territory.
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Well, as I
participated in that camp,
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I decided that
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I think my blind
bikers in Michigan
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wanted to do
something different.
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Maybe it's just
my own selfish thing.
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Yes.
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I said why don't we
bike out to an activity,
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do the activity
then bike back to camp.
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Okay. Okay.
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And so this is what we do.
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We might go out to an airport,
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we'll have bush
pilot instructor come in
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and he'll take three at a time,
00:21:02.89\00:21:04.89
will take our
blind people up there
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and he will go through
the same paces that he does
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when he is teaching
a person how to fly.
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And the person
in the co pilot seat
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actually gets to take control.
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But they are never
in danger. Yeah. Yeah.
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Because they
are just doing that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Now I see the
pictures are up here.
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There's a blind biker.
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Yeah, that's
what it shows there.
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I always thought
this bicycle build
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for two thing.
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Is the person in the
back actually carrying weight
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or they, are they--
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Is there pedaling, is
sort helping the most,
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so it's not just
the person in front,
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so both are
actually carrying the weight.
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Exactly, you can tell
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when the person in
the back is not pedaling.
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You know what?
It's really funny.
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One time I was at a camp,
you know, and I had a fellow
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that was always
coming in last, you know.
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And he says
00:21:56.68\00:21:58.01
I just can't get any speed
with this camper, you know.
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And I thought,
well, he is probably tired
00:22:00.75\00:22:02.52
so I had Collin and
Collin, he was my partner
00:22:02.55\00:22:08.76
so I traded Collin
for this other camper?
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Guess what? We came in last.
00:22:11.56\00:22:15.03
So you wanted me back.
00:22:15.06\00:22:17.87
That mean we can come in first.
00:22:17.90\00:22:20.87
Collin always comes in first.
00:22:20.90\00:22:22.94
Yeah. Do you like biking Collin?
00:22:22.97\00:22:26.57
I do.
00:22:26.61\00:22:27.94
I can probably
pedal for two people.
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Yeah.
00:22:29.34\00:22:30.68
And he does. Does he really?
00:22:30.71\00:22:32.31
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:32.35\00:22:33.68
That's a nice activity
00:22:33.72\00:22:35.48
and actually taking us somewhere
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is really, a
really, really great idea.
00:22:37.45\00:22:39.95
The boating and the swimming
and those kinds of things,
00:22:39.99\00:22:42.86
how do you manage
that and still maintain
00:22:42.89\00:22:44.76
the kind of safely
levels that you want,
00:22:44.79\00:22:46.49
you know, to assist the person
00:22:46.53\00:22:48.30
who is sight challenged?
00:22:48.33\00:22:50.83
We're super careful
00:22:50.87\00:22:53.47
like if we're getting
people in and out of the boat,
00:22:53.50\00:22:56.81
we just, we're right there,
00:22:56.84\00:22:58.17
you know, right
with them every second,
00:22:58.21\00:22:59.87
you know, to make sure
00:22:59.91\00:23:01.24
they don't step in
between and go down the lake.
00:23:01.28\00:23:05.98
Does that
answering your question?
00:23:06.01\00:23:07.35
Yeah, no, no, it does because
00:23:07.38\00:23:09.22
I mean there are so many ways
00:23:09.25\00:23:10.72
a person get
separated or you misstep
00:23:10.75\00:23:12.62
or you're not thinking
ahead, trying to look out.
00:23:12.65\00:23:14.82
When I was in
sight saving school,
00:23:14.86\00:23:17.66
those who had little sight
00:23:17.69\00:23:19.69
assisted those who had no sight,
00:23:19.73\00:23:21.90
but and back then they
were very, very careful
00:23:21.93\00:23:26.03
not to misstep or not to let
go or not to give bad directions
00:23:26.07\00:23:29.20
because, you know,
something could happen.
00:23:29.24\00:23:31.34
And I suspect you had
the same kind of diligence
00:23:31.37\00:23:33.27
with your campers.
00:23:33.31\00:23:35.24
Yeah, our camps
require more supervision
00:23:35.28\00:23:37.45
because of the safety issues.
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Is there a board
or some kind of agency
00:23:40.35\00:23:42.48
that overlooks the procedures
and the kind of things
00:23:42.52\00:23:46.05
that happens at camp as far as,
00:23:46.09\00:23:47.69
you know, from a
safety standpoint?
00:23:47.72\00:23:49.09
Yes. Yeah.
00:23:49.12\00:23:50.46
And we go to a camp for blind
00:23:50.49\00:23:53.76
and we go ahead of time
00:23:53.80\00:23:55.13
and during their
orientation time,
00:23:55.16\00:23:58.17
camp the staff weekend
and actually teach new staff
00:23:58.20\00:24:01.50
that have never
worked with blind
00:24:01.54\00:24:02.87
how to lead a blind
00:24:02.90\00:24:04.24
and we actually blindfold
them for part of the day
00:24:04.27\00:24:06.37
so they have the experience
00:24:06.41\00:24:07.81
what it's like to be blind.
00:24:07.84\00:24:09.84
The first year
that I was at camp,
00:24:09.88\00:24:12.11
they blindfolded me at breakfast
00:24:12.15\00:24:13.92
and I couldn't hardly
get through breakfast.
00:24:13.95\00:24:16.12
I knocked over my orange juice
00:24:16.15\00:24:17.65
and the food
didn't even taste as good
00:24:17.69\00:24:19.29
because I couldn't
see what I was eating.
00:24:19.32\00:24:21.39
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:21.42\00:24:22.76
I can neither,
00:24:22.79\00:24:24.99
but I eat breakfast just fine.
00:24:25.03\00:24:29.06
Yeah, they teach us, you know.
00:24:29.10\00:24:31.60
You know this is a spirit,
00:24:31.63\00:24:32.97
our camps are
spiritual, you know.
00:24:33.00\00:24:35.60
We're trying to
help the blind see Jesus
00:24:35.64\00:24:38.01
but a lot of times the
campers help us see Jesus.
00:24:38.04\00:24:41.04
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:41.08\00:24:43.65
Collin, tell me as a person
00:24:43.68\00:24:45.55
who is sight
challenged, who is blind.
00:24:45.58\00:24:48.25
When are we
doing too much for you?
00:24:48.28\00:24:50.32
You know what I mean.
00:24:50.35\00:24:51.69
When are we smothering you
because there is this tendency
00:24:51.72\00:24:54.62
and I-- when I
was growing up by,
00:24:54.66\00:24:56.32
I knew there are some parents
00:24:56.36\00:24:57.69
who really kind of held
tight reins on their children.
00:24:57.73\00:24:59.93
But when is--
when is it too much?
00:24:59.96\00:25:01.30
How much freedom do you require?
00:25:01.33\00:25:02.66
Do you like, are
you comfortable with.
00:25:02.70\00:25:04.83
Well, I need minimum assistance,
00:25:04.87\00:25:07.04
but every person is different
00:25:07.07\00:25:08.70
and the best way to
figure out that issue
00:25:08.74\00:25:12.87
is to ask the
person, don't be afraid to.
00:25:12.91\00:25:15.18
We talk too. We can hear too.
00:25:15.21\00:25:18.68
Well, I know you do.
00:25:18.71\00:25:22.42
No, but I mean you dose--
00:25:22.45\00:25:23.79
there is no way
you can figure it out
00:25:23.82\00:25:25.15
unless the person tells you
00:25:25.19\00:25:26.52
because, you
know, you do everything
00:25:26.55\00:25:27.96
you can to help the
person with disabilities
00:25:27.99\00:25:30.16
but you won't know
00:25:30.19\00:25:32.33
if it's too much
unless they say something,
00:25:32.36\00:25:34.76
so it's up to you and the person
00:25:34.80\00:25:36.56
have to work that out.
00:25:36.60\00:25:37.93
Have to work together.
00:25:37.97\00:25:39.30
I mean I always say
something but funny.
00:25:39.33\00:25:44.04
How many years have
you been going to camp?
00:25:44.07\00:25:46.98
See, how many years
has it been any guess?
00:25:47.01\00:25:51.08
I miss couple of years.
00:25:51.11\00:25:52.81
Well, you were about 9 years old
00:25:52.85\00:25:54.52
when you first came.
00:25:54.55\00:25:55.88
Yeah, I was 9.
00:25:55.92\00:25:57.25
That's okay. We
can live with that.
00:25:57.29\00:25:59.42
You've been
coming a couple of years.
00:25:59.45\00:26:00.79
A long time.
00:26:00.82\00:26:02.62
Plus a few more on to that.
00:26:02.66\00:26:06.43
Yeah.
00:26:06.46\00:26:07.80
Collin has several
brothers and a sister
00:26:07.83\00:26:10.57
that's come to camp as well.
00:26:10.60\00:26:12.97
And I remember one year
00:26:13.00\00:26:14.34
when four of them
were out with the same camp
00:26:14.37\00:26:16.57
at the same time.
00:26:16.60\00:26:17.94
Wow. Wow. That was exciting.
00:26:17.97\00:26:19.61
Are your brothers and sisters
as effervescent as you, Collin?
00:26:19.64\00:26:23.75
Are they as lively as you are?
00:26:23.78\00:26:28.18
They are. Yeah.
00:26:28.22\00:26:29.55
And unfortunately,
I mean fortunately,
00:26:29.58\00:26:34.46
I don't know
which one to go back,
00:26:34.49\00:26:36.93
but yeah, they're
pretty nice people.
00:26:36.96\00:26:38.59
Oh, praise the Lord.
00:26:38.63\00:26:40.56
But you know,
family stuff. Yeah.
00:26:40.60\00:26:43.97
Do you have a
favorite activity at camp
00:26:44.00\00:26:46.60
something you kind of
look forward to doing?
00:26:46.63\00:26:48.17
Yeah, camp fire.
00:26:48.20\00:26:49.54
Camp fire. Camp fire.
00:26:49.57\00:26:52.77
Camp fire. That's interesting.
00:26:52.81\00:26:54.78
Some more.
00:26:54.81\00:26:56.68
Yeah, why is camp
fire so special to you?
00:26:56.71\00:26:59.78
Well, we all gather around
00:26:59.81\00:27:01.35
and we get to share
our experiences with--
00:27:01.38\00:27:06.39
It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:06.42\00:27:08.46
It occurs to me
00:27:08.49\00:27:09.82
Collin is a kind of
a social kind of a guy.
00:27:09.86\00:27:12.23
He likes to talk, yeah.
00:27:12.26\00:27:13.60
You know, in fact
I was very antisocial
00:27:13.63\00:27:15.13
but it's not true.
00:27:15.16\00:27:18.93
That it's not true. I
don't feel antisocial at all.
00:27:18.97\00:27:22.14
Let's go to some
of the pictures now
00:27:22.17\00:27:23.97
because I want
to take a look at,
00:27:24.01\00:27:25.34
then you can kind of walk
me through this experience.
00:27:25.37\00:27:28.08
We talked about
the tandem biking
00:27:28.11\00:27:30.55
and that the person at the
back is carrying their weight.
00:27:30.58\00:27:33.05
There they're pushing as
well as the person in front,
00:27:33.08\00:27:36.48
and that must be
exciting for the guys
00:27:36.52\00:27:37.85
and to this idea
00:27:37.89\00:27:39.22
going 187 miles
in a couple of days
00:27:39.25\00:27:40.89
so you kind of get out
there and this is not little
00:27:40.92\00:27:44.23
go around the
block kind of thing,
00:27:44.26\00:27:45.59
this is biking.
00:27:45.63\00:27:46.96
Serious cycling.
00:27:47.00\00:27:48.33
Yeah, there's a serious cycling.
00:27:48.36\00:27:49.70
But in Michigan we
don't go 187 miles.
00:27:49.73\00:27:52.00
We may go 20, 25, 30 miles,
00:27:52.03\00:27:54.84
you know, is the
most we'll do in a day.
00:27:54.87\00:27:57.44
Now, what's this
we're looking at?
00:27:57.47\00:27:59.71
Oh, this is beeper ball
00:27:59.74\00:28:03.48
and right here
00:28:03.51\00:28:07.48
we're at Great
Lakes Adventist Academy
00:28:07.52\00:28:11.19
at the ball field.
00:28:11.22\00:28:12.55
Yeah. So the ball beeps.
00:28:12.59\00:28:13.96
And the ball
beeps, they hit the ball
00:28:13.99\00:28:17.19
and then it will
go out in the field
00:28:17.23\00:28:19.59
and if somebody catches the ball
00:28:19.63\00:28:21.86
before he gets to
first base, he is out.
00:28:21.90\00:28:25.30
Okay.
00:28:25.33\00:28:26.67
But if he gets to first base
00:28:26.70\00:28:28.04
before somebody gets
the ball he's got homerun.
00:28:28.07\00:28:31.21
Oh, I see, okay.
00:28:31.24\00:28:32.81
So the base beeps as well,
00:28:32.84\00:28:34.18
so he is running
towards the base.
00:28:34.21\00:28:36.18
But it's a different beep
00:28:36.21\00:28:38.35
The ball beeps one sound
00:28:38.38\00:28:41.78
and the base
beeps another sound.
00:28:41.82\00:28:43.15
Another sound, okay, I see.
00:28:43.18\00:28:44.52
Kind of know you runs
into base and not the ball.
00:28:44.55\00:28:48.59
It make a lot of sense.
00:28:48.62\00:28:49.96
Do you play that game, Collin?
00:28:49.99\00:28:51.69
Well, I haven't played it lot
00:28:51.73\00:28:53.70
but yeah, if I play I
start running into people,
00:28:53.73\00:28:58.00
sometimes on purpose.
00:28:58.03\00:29:01.30
All right. Let's go
back to our pictures.
00:29:01.34\00:29:02.67
Okay.
00:29:02.70\00:29:04.04
This is at the
Adventist Historical Village.
00:29:04.07\00:29:07.88
On Sabbath, every Sabbath
there were a blind bikers camp.
00:29:07.91\00:29:14.12
I take them to
one of three things,
00:29:14.15\00:29:17.22
either the Old
Rugged Cross Museum
00:29:17.25\00:29:19.42
in Reed City, Michigan.
00:29:19.45\00:29:22.69
Reed City was
the last place that
00:29:22.72\00:29:26.19
George Bernard
lived before he died.
00:29:26.23\00:29:28.96
And when he died
00:29:29.00\00:29:30.33
he willed all his things
to the city of Reed City.
00:29:30.37\00:29:32.63
I see.
00:29:32.67\00:29:34.00
And so they made a museum
there and they've added tour,
00:29:34.04\00:29:36.00
it's quite a nice thing.
00:29:36.04\00:29:37.67
And it's a spiritual,
00:29:37.71\00:29:39.04
I have the man
have a spiritual talk
00:29:39.07\00:29:42.31
and so he goes through
all of the things there.
00:29:42.34\00:29:45.35
The other thing is that
00:29:45.38\00:29:47.15
we go to the
Adventist Historical Village,
00:29:47.18\00:29:52.12
that was the picture there.
00:29:52.15\00:29:53.89
And on Sabbath we actually
00:29:53.92\00:29:55.29
have one of the churches
00:29:55.32\00:29:56.66
and have our own church service
00:29:56.69\00:29:58.79
in one of the
historical churches.
00:29:58.83\00:30:00.16
I see.
00:30:00.20\00:30:01.53
That was the old
pump organ there,
00:30:01.56\00:30:02.90
that was Abbey, she
is-- she is a blind girl,
00:30:02.93\00:30:04.97
I found here in Ohio
00:30:05.00\00:30:07.10
and she plays-- she
played the old pump organ
00:30:07.14\00:30:10.47
while we sang and so
that's what that was.
00:30:10.51\00:30:13.51
That must be nice.
00:30:13.54\00:30:14.88
So there seems to be a
strong spiritual component
00:30:14.91\00:30:18.05
and there's fun obviously,
00:30:18.08\00:30:19.41
but there is strong spiritual
component to the camp also.
00:30:19.45\00:30:21.28
That's right.
00:30:21.32\00:30:22.65
I've often said, you know,
00:30:22.68\00:30:24.02
if it wasn't for camp
counsel in the morning
00:30:24.05\00:30:26.12
and camp fire at night,
00:30:26.15\00:30:27.76
we might as well send
them to any other camp.
00:30:27.79\00:30:30.83
But we're doing
something of a spiritual nature
00:30:30.86\00:30:33.93
that nobody else is doing.
00:30:33.96\00:30:35.30
So you build
into a program at time
00:30:35.33\00:30:37.10
to sort of connect with God,
00:30:37.13\00:30:38.47
to learn about God, to
know God if you do not,
00:30:38.50\00:30:40.24
that's part of the
curriculum dare we say.
00:30:40.27\00:30:43.34
Let's go back, I think
we have a few more pictures.
00:30:43.37\00:30:46.78
Okay.
00:30:46.81\00:30:48.14
This is a Challenge Mountain.
00:30:48.18\00:30:49.51
This is at Boyne City, Michigan
00:30:49.54\00:30:51.61
and we go to camp--
for our winter camp.
00:30:51.65\00:30:55.68
And then we drive up
to Challenge Mountain.
00:30:55.72\00:30:58.22
It's a special ski hill
that's for handicap people.
00:30:58.25\00:31:03.16
I mean they have all different
00:31:03.19\00:31:04.83
kinds of
handicap that come there.
00:31:04.86\00:31:06.76
Now, one of the
things that they have
00:31:06.80\00:31:08.63
is a special ski for
people on wheelchairs
00:31:08.66\00:31:12.13
and our blind
people even like that one,
00:31:12.17\00:31:14.54
but you'd be surprised in
just a very, very short time,
00:31:14.57\00:31:18.67
this is Matthew and
Linda is the instructor
00:31:18.71\00:31:22.34
and she is the one that's
00:31:22.38\00:31:23.71
in charge of Challenge Mountain.
00:31:23.75\00:31:26.35
And in just a very short time
00:31:26.38\00:31:28.05
they get them
skiing right out there.
00:31:28.08\00:31:29.72
Now I want to go back if
we can to that first picture
00:31:29.75\00:31:31.99
because that, that--
00:31:32.02\00:31:33.36
those cords seem attached
to the front of the skis.
00:31:33.39\00:31:36.06
Now, who-- the
blind person is behind.
00:31:36.09\00:31:39.79
No, in front. In front.
00:31:39.83\00:31:41.70
So those are loose cords,
00:31:41.73\00:31:43.23
so you just-- you're
kind of steering them.
00:31:43.26\00:31:45.30
Steering the skis.
00:31:45.33\00:31:46.84
The skis are attached together
00:31:46.87\00:31:49.17
and so the ski
instructors from behind
00:31:49.20\00:31:52.97
and this is one
of many techniques
00:31:53.01\00:31:54.88
they use for
people with handicaps
00:31:54.91\00:31:58.05
to get them to have
experience of skiing.
00:31:58.08\00:32:00.48
Of skiing. Wow, wow.
00:32:00.52\00:32:01.92
Because my head is
saying how do they do that?
00:32:01.95\00:32:04.05
You know, how do
they get that done
00:32:04.09\00:32:05.75
but you can see it there.
00:32:05.79\00:32:07.12
They're coming up with
new things all the time,
00:32:07.16\00:32:09.02
you know, how to--
how to do this you know.
00:32:09.06\00:32:11.99
Yeah.
00:32:12.03\00:32:13.36
So every experience
00:32:13.40\00:32:14.73
pretty much that a
sighted person has,
00:32:14.76\00:32:16.70
a blind person can have.
00:32:16.73\00:32:18.10
Yeah.
00:32:18.13\00:32:19.47
Do you have anymore? Yeah.
00:32:19.50\00:32:20.84
That we have--
Norine is coming on later
00:32:20.87\00:32:23.20
and she is gonna
talk about her camp,
00:32:23.24\00:32:25.57
so we have some more pictures.
00:32:25.61\00:32:26.94
Okay. Great, great.
00:32:26.98\00:32:29.01
One winter camp and
several summer camps?
00:32:29.04\00:32:31.11
Hmm, 12 yeah. Twelve?
00:32:31.15\00:32:32.65
And the winter
camp is in Michigan.
00:32:32.68\00:32:34.82
It's in Grayling, Michigan.
00:32:34.85\00:32:36.18
Okay. Okay.
00:32:36.22\00:32:37.55
If you had that camp at Buffalo,
00:32:37.59\00:32:38.92
you can have the winter
camp almost through July
00:32:38.95\00:32:41.96
because I talked
about this the other day,
00:32:41.99\00:32:45.26
they're still getting
snow even late in the year.
00:32:45.29\00:32:49.40
Are they expensive?
00:32:49.43\00:32:50.77
Is it, you know,
00:32:50.80\00:32:52.20
is it expensive to get
a young person into camp?
00:32:52.23\00:32:55.74
The camps are free to
the clients, to the blind.
00:32:55.77\00:32:58.87
Okay.
00:32:58.91\00:33:00.24
They pay a small
registration fees
00:33:00.28\00:33:02.21
that's when they
apply, but it's free to them
00:33:02.24\00:33:06.41
but it is expensive.
00:33:06.45\00:33:07.78
Yeah. So we do fund raising.
00:33:07.82\00:33:09.15
Our representatives
fund raise all year along
00:33:09.18\00:33:11.55
for our camps and
our other services.
00:33:11.59\00:33:13.76
Okay. Okay.
00:33:13.79\00:33:15.12
Yeah, our first
winter camp was in Colorado,
00:33:15.16\00:33:16.99
we started in 1980
00:33:17.03\00:33:21.33
and that's probably one
of our more expensive camps
00:33:21.36\00:33:23.60
because of the location.
00:33:23.63\00:33:24.97
They have a great program there.
00:33:25.00\00:33:27.57
Some volunteers
have continued that camp
00:33:27.60\00:33:29.80
and they still operate
that camp every winter.
00:33:29.84\00:33:32.87
And Collin's went to that camp
00:33:32.91\00:33:34.24
and did some
serious downhill skiing
00:33:34.28\00:33:36.41
on that camp.
00:33:36.44\00:33:37.78
And I want to go
back there again.
00:33:37.81\00:33:40.48
He loves it.
00:33:40.52\00:33:42.25
Before we go to our
video and bring Norine on,
00:33:42.28\00:33:45.42
Collin,
obviously camp is something
00:33:45.45\00:33:47.16
that is of
important in your life.
00:33:47.19\00:33:49.92
If someone would
ask you a blind person
00:33:49.96\00:33:52.06
and you were kind of being
the commercial promoter guy,
00:33:52.09\00:33:55.33
what would you say to him
00:33:55.36\00:33:56.70
about the value of
00:33:56.73\00:33:58.07
about the
importance of coming to camp?
00:33:58.10\00:34:01.44
About the people
in coming together,
00:34:01.47\00:34:04.27
all about making new friends,
00:34:04.31\00:34:07.91
you know, having fun.
00:34:07.94\00:34:10.51
And we can fun too.
00:34:10.55\00:34:13.58
It's not just,
you know, coming heck,
00:34:13.62\00:34:15.98
they have a lot of
camps for sighted people
00:34:16.02\00:34:17.62
so why can't they
have camps for us too.
00:34:17.65\00:34:20.82
Good deal. Good deal. All right.
00:34:20.86\00:34:23.39
I want to go to the video now
00:34:23.43\00:34:26.43
and we'll take a look at this
00:34:26.46\00:34:28.10
and then we're gonna
make a quick search here,
00:34:28.13\00:34:29.70
but let's take a
look at that video
00:34:29.73\00:34:31.27
just now.
00:34:31.30\00:34:32.63
Our deepest fear is
not that we're inadequate.
00:34:40.88\00:34:43.81
Our deepest fear is that
we're powerful beyond measure.
00:34:43.85\00:34:47.15
It is our light not our darkness
00:34:47.18\00:34:49.28
that most frightens us.
00:34:49.32\00:34:51.22
You're a child of God.
00:34:51.25\00:34:53.32
Your playing small
doest serve the world.
00:34:53.36\00:34:56.19
There is nothing
enlightened about shrinking
00:34:56.22\00:34:58.13
so that other people
won't feel insecure around you.
00:34:58.16\00:35:02.53
We're all meant to
shine as children do.
00:35:02.56\00:35:05.83
You know, Peter
is one of the campers
00:35:05.87\00:35:07.20
that I remember first meeting.
00:35:07.24\00:35:08.94
He has a huge smile.
00:35:08.97\00:35:10.37
He is enthusiastic.
00:35:10.41\00:35:12.11
He is excited about camp
00:35:12.14\00:35:14.54
and probably what
really sits out to me
00:35:14.58\00:35:16.28
about him is he's
excited about God.
00:35:16.31\00:35:19.25
I have a goal
00:35:19.28\00:35:20.78
and my goal is to serve the Lord
00:35:20.82\00:35:23.49
to the very best of my ability
00:35:23.52\00:35:25.62
and to do something
in the medical field.
00:35:25.65\00:35:28.52
I should be
certified registered nurse
00:35:28.56\00:35:30.66
and anesthetist or
respiratory therapist.
00:35:30.69\00:35:34.00
This has been a dream for me,
00:35:34.03\00:35:36.20
pretty much my
whole entire life.
00:35:36.23\00:35:39.97
When I see the nurses at
camp I get profoundly excited
00:35:40.00\00:35:44.11
and especially
when the CRNAs come,
00:35:44.14\00:35:47.44
when they come to
camp that is beyond words.
00:35:47.48\00:35:50.68
It became apparent to us
00:35:50.71\00:35:52.88
that not only
was he interested in
00:35:52.91\00:35:55.95
just seeing us on a
regular basis as needed,
00:35:55.98\00:35:59.82
but he considered us an activity
00:35:59.85\00:36:02.46
and so he'd schedule
time that he could sit with us
00:36:02.49\00:36:07.53
and have conversations
about nursing as a profession
00:36:07.56\00:36:12.47
and
particularly anesthesia care.
00:36:12.50\00:36:16.10
Okay, some stuff about me.
00:36:16.14\00:36:18.51
I'm 22 years old.
00:36:18.54\00:36:21.61
I love life
00:36:21.64\00:36:22.98
because Jesus Christ
died on the cross for me
00:36:23.01\00:36:26.18
and so I have reason
to live and to be happy.
00:36:26.21\00:36:30.89
He loves to play the piano.
00:36:30.92\00:36:33.25
He likes to be called Johan
00:36:33.29\00:36:35.66
because he
knows how to play bak.
00:36:35.69\00:36:37.96
I have actually asked people
who called me Johan at camp
00:36:37.99\00:36:41.53
and they heard me play the piano
00:36:41.56\00:36:43.47
and so that's how they
started calling me Johan.
00:36:43.50\00:36:47.50
I do remember last
year here at the camp
00:36:47.54\00:36:50.01
as we were
talking, I shared with him
00:36:50.04\00:36:52.27
that there were some options
00:36:52.31\00:36:53.64
with the
Seventh-day Adventist hymn note.
00:36:53.68\00:36:55.51
When I heard about
the real hymn note,
00:36:55.54\00:36:57.95
I was so excited.
00:36:57.98\00:37:00.52
We were told all
you have to do is ask,
00:37:00.55\00:37:02.75
so we wrote to Christian Record
00:37:02.78\00:37:05.62
and we asked finally around
Christmas of last year 2013,
00:37:05.65\00:37:10.99
the hymn note was there for him.
00:37:11.03\00:37:12.53
Oh, what a joy,
00:37:12.56\00:37:13.93
his face glowed as
we brought him upfront,
00:37:13.96\00:37:17.33
gave him the hymn note.
00:37:17.37\00:37:18.70
The Lord has done
00:37:18.73\00:37:20.07
so much through
Christian Records
00:37:20.10\00:37:22.27
that has blessed so many people.
00:37:22.30\00:37:24.67
I feel that they
give me confidence
00:37:24.71\00:37:26.74
to go for bigger goal
by teaching me about God
00:37:26.78\00:37:31.11
and about witnessing to others.
00:37:31.15\00:37:33.98
I love being at
camps for the blind,
00:37:34.02\00:37:36.89
Christian Records
sponsors this camp.
00:37:36.92\00:37:39.52
Behind me you can see
campers engage in archery,
00:37:39.55\00:37:43.32
that's just an
example of some of the things
00:37:43.36\00:37:46.49
that Christian Record
helps inspire confidence
00:37:46.53\00:37:50.83
in the campers that come here,
00:37:50.87\00:37:52.20
but not only at camp
00:37:52.23\00:37:54.44
but also with our
braille large print,
00:37:54.47\00:37:56.81
audio, web services
00:37:56.84\00:37:58.77
so many things
that we want to do
00:37:58.81\00:38:01.61
and we do them because you care,
00:38:01.64\00:38:03.35
you help us, you
make it possible.
00:38:03.38\00:38:05.35
Did you know that
00:38:05.38\00:38:06.72
$15000 could pay
for this entire camp,
00:38:06.75\00:38:10.95
I know there is someone out here
00:38:10.99\00:38:12.35
that's gonna write that check,
00:38:12.39\00:38:13.72
it's happened
before, it can happen again.
00:38:13.76\00:38:16.36
But regardless of
what you can give,
00:38:16.39\00:38:18.59
every little bit helps.
00:38:18.63\00:38:20.63
We appreciate it so much
00:38:20.66\00:38:22.50
that you have
the confidence in us
00:38:22.53\00:38:24.87
that we can share that
confidence with the blind
00:38:24.90\00:38:28.30
so that all of us can
see Jesus when He comes.
00:38:28.34\00:38:32.31
The Lord has done so
much through Christian Records
00:38:32.34\00:38:36.04
that has blessed so many people
00:38:36.08\00:38:38.51
and I think that
they are giving to God
00:38:38.55\00:38:40.98
to help spread His news,
the good news in His word
00:38:41.02\00:38:45.72
further and further.
00:38:45.75\00:38:47.09
So you get a bit of an
idea of what happens at camp
00:38:54.50\00:38:57.37
and Keith, Johan
00:38:57.40\00:39:03.14
what a livewire
he is for the Lord
00:39:03.17\00:39:05.01
and he seems so
very, very excited.
00:39:05.04\00:39:06.37
Is he kind of
typical of the young person
00:39:06.41\00:39:08.34
that attends
those kinds of camps?
00:39:08.38\00:39:09.98
Pretty much.
00:39:10.01\00:39:11.35
Yeah, looking for excitement,
looking for challenges
00:39:11.38\00:39:15.02
and yeah, he is a unique fellow,
00:39:15.05\00:39:18.75
he wants to be a
nurse anesthetist.
00:39:18.79\00:39:20.66
Yeah. Bless his heart.
00:39:20.69\00:39:22.02
Yeah, that's-- he is
biting of a big elephant
00:39:22.06\00:39:24.26
that's really, really something
00:39:24.29\00:39:25.96
but, you know, if
anyone is going to do,
00:39:25.99\00:39:27.33
he's got the energy
00:39:27.36\00:39:28.70
and he certainly
is a bright child.
00:39:28.73\00:39:30.07
He has passed all the tests
00:39:30.10\00:39:31.43
he needs to get
into this school.
00:39:31.47\00:39:33.70
Yeah. Amen. Amen. All right.
00:39:33.74\00:39:35.50
We've got a rose
to add to the thorns.
00:39:35.54\00:39:38.47
Norine Westerbeck,
good to have you here.
00:39:38.51\00:39:41.08
And you're representing
the Yorktown Bay Arkansas camp
00:39:41.11\00:39:46.51
and you coordinate
duties for that camp.
00:39:46.55\00:39:49.35
Give me some idea of
00:39:49.38\00:39:50.72
what your portfolio is
as coordinator for camp.
00:39:50.75\00:39:53.72
What do you do during the year
00:39:53.76\00:39:55.32
and then what you
do once camp starts?
00:39:55.36\00:39:57.69
Well, during the year the
very first past of the year
00:39:57.73\00:40:00.20
I start visiting the area
where the camp takes place
00:40:00.23\00:40:05.30
and I start visiting Lions Clubs
00:40:05.33\00:40:07.74
and different organizations
00:40:07.77\00:40:10.41
that can help us do some
of the outside activities
00:40:10.44\00:40:13.84
like going to the fun trackers
00:40:13.88\00:40:17.68
which is go karts
and water bumpers,
00:40:17.71\00:40:24.42
arcades and mini golf,
00:40:24.45\00:40:28.02
that's one of the activities,
00:40:28.06\00:40:30.09
another activity
is the lawn bowling,
00:40:30.13\00:40:34.13
it's a new activity
00:40:34.16\00:40:35.50
that the Breakfast
Lions Clubs helped us sponsor.
00:40:35.53\00:40:40.74
Then we do another
place called Jurassic Park
00:40:40.77\00:40:43.34
and it's another go kart place
because they love go karts.
00:40:43.37\00:40:46.98
I think we'll have some pictures
00:40:47.01\00:40:48.34
that will show them.
00:40:48.38\00:40:49.71
What it's amazing to me,
00:40:49.74\00:40:51.08
I remember Lions Club growing up
00:40:51.11\00:40:52.55
because they'd do
our Christmas party
00:40:52.58\00:40:54.02
and they're doing a
spring break kind of party.
00:40:54.05\00:40:57.79
And it's nice
00:40:57.82\00:40:59.15
that you sort of
interface with them
00:40:59.19\00:41:01.42
and work with them
00:41:01.46\00:41:02.79
but a lot of these
things that you're mentioning
00:41:02.82\00:41:04.63
it would never occur to me
00:41:04.66\00:41:06.43
that I guess I was
sort of in the dark ages.
00:41:06.46\00:41:10.67
They showed on
the video archery,
00:41:10.70\00:41:12.57
you know, go karts,
these kinds of things
00:41:12.60\00:41:15.90
that you would think are
limited to those with sight,
00:41:15.94\00:41:18.41
but blind people
can really enjoy those
00:41:18.44\00:41:21.11
and be a part of those also.
00:41:21.14\00:41:24.35
On Friday this
year we'll be doing
00:41:24.38\00:41:26.45
the Gangster Museum.
00:41:26.48\00:41:28.82
Hot Springs has a real history
00:41:28.85\00:41:30.62
of little Chicago coming
to Hot Springs and Al Capone
00:41:30.65\00:41:36.46
and even the machine gun
00:41:36.49\00:41:38.29
that they used during that time,
00:41:38.33\00:41:41.36
I'm not sure exactly
what they did with it
00:41:41.40\00:41:44.03
but I guess they shot it,
00:41:44.07\00:41:46.74
but they love it,
they absolutely love it
00:41:46.77\00:41:50.07
and we have sponsors
that help with that program.
00:41:50.11\00:41:54.94
Bowling is another activity
00:41:54.98\00:41:57.25
that The Knights of
Columbus, they help sponsor it.
00:41:57.28\00:42:04.02
Fishing they have
morning up fishing,
00:42:04.05\00:42:07.12
the Angler's
Club helps with that.
00:42:07.16\00:42:10.59
They take our campers
out for a morning fishing.
00:42:10.63\00:42:13.43
So you've reached out to
any number of other agencies
00:42:13.46\00:42:16.36
to sort of help
you with your program.
00:42:16.40\00:42:17.80
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
00:42:17.83\00:42:19.17
That is really wonderful.
00:42:19.20\00:42:20.54
And Fountain
Lake School District
00:42:20.57\00:42:22.50
is our bus
service during that week
00:42:22.54\00:42:24.57
and they've been doing
that for a number of years.
00:42:24.61\00:42:26.51
Wow.
00:42:26.54\00:42:27.88
Now, Keith, is that, is
what Norine talking about
00:42:27.91\00:42:30.38
is that just the
Yorktown Bay camp
00:42:30.41\00:42:32.81
or do all the
camps sort of reach out
00:42:32.85\00:42:34.82
to bring in
services from other agencies
00:42:34.85\00:42:36.72
that want to help
blind, blind students also.
00:42:36.75\00:42:40.22
To some extent,
00:42:40.26\00:42:41.59
I think Norine's
camp has more volunteers,
00:42:41.62\00:42:43.83
more outside activities.
00:42:43.86\00:42:45.23
Many of our camps,
we just stay at camp
00:42:45.26\00:42:47.90
and do the
activities that are there
00:42:47.93\00:42:50.23
and do them,
maybe more than once,
00:42:50.27\00:42:52.43
you know, water-skiing
and horseback riding,
00:42:52.47\00:42:55.00
archery and things like that.
00:42:55.04\00:42:56.37
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:56.40\00:42:57.74
And I'm sure they don't
mind doing that more than once.
00:42:57.77\00:42:59.67
What was that again to it.
00:42:59.71\00:43:01.04
I got to ask these
questions, this is not just
00:43:01.08\00:43:03.61
for Adventist
kids, is that not so?
00:43:03.65\00:43:05.21
No.
00:43:05.25\00:43:06.58
It's for all denominations
or no denomination.
00:43:06.61\00:43:09.28
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:09.32\00:43:10.65
And it's good
00:43:10.69\00:43:12.02
that the
spiritual componentis there,
00:43:12.05\00:43:14.72
so that they do get a chance
00:43:14.76\00:43:16.09
to meet the Lord
and learn about the Lord
00:43:16.12\00:43:17.46
and understand
that he loves them.
00:43:17.49\00:43:18.83
Yeah, that's a
very, very important part.
00:43:18.86\00:43:20.30
We have a number of baptisms--
00:43:20.33\00:43:22.36
Is that so? Yes.
00:43:22.40\00:43:23.73
Wow. Praise the Lord.
00:43:23.77\00:43:25.10
Praise the Lord.
00:43:25.13\00:43:26.47
In fact our morning for
the last couple of years,
00:43:26.50\00:43:28.50
our morning devotion person
00:43:28.54\00:43:30.61
actually is a camper
00:43:30.64\00:43:33.64
that works for
another organization
00:43:33.68\00:43:37.05
that is not Adventist
00:43:37.08\00:43:39.21
but that is from
another denomination
00:43:39.25\00:43:42.72
and I don't know if I'm
able to mention it or not
00:43:42.75\00:43:45.79
but it's Family Life Today
and he's worked there 17 years
00:43:45.82\00:43:51.26
and he is a blind gentlemen
that is just loves the Lord
00:43:51.29\00:43:55.66
and he has
something in common with me
00:43:55.70\00:44:01.20
and that has some--
00:44:01.24\00:44:03.00
his wife passed
00:44:03.04\00:44:04.67
in March of 2013
00:44:04.71\00:44:11.01
and my husband passed in 2012.
00:44:11.05\00:44:13.28
And so we had that in common
and I knew him before that
00:44:13.31\00:44:17.12
and asked him
00:44:17.15\00:44:18.49
if he would be
interested in doing
00:44:18.52\00:44:19.85
and he okay did with the pastor
00:44:19.89\00:44:23.76
that usually does
our blind camp pastor,
00:44:23.79\00:44:27.76
and ask him if it would be okay
00:44:27.80\00:44:29.73
if he did the morning part
00:44:29.76\00:44:31.47
and he said,
sure, I'm able to share
00:44:31.50\00:44:33.84
and so we kind
of interviewed him
00:44:33.87\00:44:35.20
and so he's done that the
last couple of years for us
00:44:35.24\00:44:38.04
and plans to do
that again this year.
00:44:38.07\00:44:39.74
Excellent. Let
me ask you, Norine,
00:44:39.77\00:44:41.11
because I asked
Larry, I asked Keith,
00:44:41.14\00:44:43.18
how did you get started
with Christian Record Services?
00:44:43.21\00:44:47.58
In 1997, I went to a fund raiser
00:44:47.62\00:44:54.29
that was done in the
Poplar Bluff, Missouri Church,
00:44:54.32\00:44:57.33
a young man had started
working for Christian Record
00:44:57.36\00:44:59.79
and he sang
00:44:59.83\00:45:01.16
and so that it was
kind of like a fund raiser
00:45:01.20\00:45:05.23
and I don't know there
was this piece of paper
00:45:05.27\00:45:09.07
that had, you know,
00:45:09.10\00:45:11.64
something about being
interested in ministry
00:45:11.67\00:45:15.94
or something like that.
00:45:15.98\00:45:17.38
And I actually taught to...
00:45:17.41\00:45:22.52
it was Dan Miller at that time,
00:45:22.55\00:45:24.95
he was the--
00:45:24.99\00:45:26.32
You call Dan a young man.
00:45:26.35\00:45:29.19
Well, he'd probably love that.
00:45:29.22\00:45:31.93
But he was there
and I said something,
00:45:31.96\00:45:36.46
I'm about being interested
00:45:36.50\00:45:38.70
and he said, I can get
you in touch with the man
00:45:38.73\00:45:40.87
that would, you know,
00:45:40.90\00:45:42.70
he probably love
for you come visit camp
00:45:42.74\00:45:45.47
and so Kevin Hoggart was
the director at that time
00:45:45.51\00:45:49.94
and he called me and he said,
00:45:49.98\00:45:52.68
well, the biggest
part of the ministry is
00:45:52.71\00:45:54.85
what you need to come see.
00:45:54.88\00:45:57.59
And I worked for
another company for 22 years
00:45:57.62\00:46:03.22
and I don't know
00:46:03.26\00:46:05.59
if it was
Midlife thing or whatever
00:46:05.63\00:46:07.73
but, okay, I need to come visit
and so they were having camp
00:46:07.76\00:46:14.14
and so I came down
and what impressed me
00:46:14.17\00:46:17.11
was a young man that
only heard my name once
00:46:17.14\00:46:22.41
and during the day
and half that I was there,
00:46:22.44\00:46:24.68
no matter where I was at,
00:46:24.71\00:46:26.11
if you heard my
voice, he would say my name
00:46:26.15\00:46:30.65
and then just all
the activities of,
00:46:30.69\00:46:34.52
you know, what they
were doing at that time.
00:46:34.56\00:46:37.29
Keith, I've got to ask
you because I've heard you say
00:46:37.33\00:46:40.80
that the camps are
provided free of charge
00:46:40.83\00:46:43.70
or nominal
charge to your campers,
00:46:43.73\00:46:46.77
so fund raising
is an important part
00:46:46.80\00:46:48.47
of what you
have to do I suspect.
00:46:48.50\00:46:49.97
Yes, it is. Yeah.
00:46:50.01\00:46:51.34
We have 40 representatives
all over the country
00:46:51.37\00:46:54.21
and it's because of
the kind hearts of donors
00:46:54.24\00:46:56.58
that we're able to
operate, not only the camps
00:46:56.61\00:46:59.11
but our library program
00:46:59.15\00:47:00.55
and our Bible
program for the blind.
00:47:00.58\00:47:03.02
Now, short of
just getting donations
00:47:03.05\00:47:05.69
which you're going to
ask for in just a little bit
00:47:05.72\00:47:07.82
and you want to get your pen out
00:47:07.86\00:47:09.19
because we're gonna
give some contact information
00:47:09.22\00:47:11.33
just shortly.
00:47:11.36\00:47:12.69
What are the kinds of
things you do to raise money?
00:47:12.73\00:47:14.80
What are the kind of events
that you have to raise funds?
00:47:14.83\00:47:17.73
And, Norine, you
can weigh on this,
00:47:17.77\00:47:19.20
on this also.
00:47:19.23\00:47:20.74
Well, sometimes
we do a Walmart event
00:47:20.77\00:47:23.51
and raise money
that way, visit churches.
00:47:23.54\00:47:27.68
Now, you have come
with this Walmart event,
00:47:27.71\00:47:29.41
when I think
Walmart, I think spent money.
00:47:29.44\00:47:33.52
Well, we'll have
maybe a sign out there
00:47:33.55\00:47:37.12
that Christian Record Service
00:47:37.15\00:47:39.59
and you know, we're raising
money for blind camps mostly.
00:47:39.62\00:47:43.63
And my--
00:47:43.66\00:47:48.13
my greatest fund raising
is through our Lions Clubs
00:47:48.16\00:47:51.53
and some even corners
00:47:51.57\00:47:55.84
and then some several businesses
00:47:55.87\00:47:59.51
in my state.
00:47:59.54\00:48:00.88
So there are lot of groups
00:48:00.91\00:48:02.24
that feed into
what you're trying to do
00:48:02.28\00:48:03.61
and buying this,
and that's wonderful.
00:48:03.65\00:48:05.25
We got some more pictures
I wanted to go to just now,
00:48:05.28\00:48:07.25
that you can sort of
help us with, Norine...
00:48:07.28\00:48:08.78
Okay.
00:48:08.82\00:48:10.39
This is a young man that...
00:48:10.42\00:48:15.06
I met when he was
six, I mean he had tumors
00:48:15.09\00:48:19.46
when he was six
and lost his eyesight.
00:48:19.49\00:48:22.46
When he was 10 I met him
and he had lost his hearing
00:48:22.50\00:48:26.23
because of these tumors.
00:48:26.27\00:48:28.47
And I met him at
the school for the blind
00:48:28.50\00:48:31.01
because I visit at the
school for the blind often,
00:48:31.04\00:48:34.34
and so then he graduated
00:48:34.38\00:48:38.08
and he remembered camp
00:48:38.11\00:48:44.02
and here he is 21 years old.
00:48:44.05\00:48:46.35
And then his mom calls me
00:48:46.39\00:48:48.76
because of the young
man had mentioned camp
00:48:48.79\00:48:53.96
and she says how
can we make this happen
00:48:54.00\00:48:56.77
because he never
asked for anything
00:48:56.80\00:48:59.03
and he asked to go to camp.
00:48:59.07\00:49:00.60
At 21? At 21.
00:49:00.64\00:49:02.17
Bless his heart.
00:49:02.20\00:49:03.54
And so the
greatest thing for him,
00:49:03.57\00:49:05.57
when he got to come to camp
00:49:05.61\00:49:07.21
that year was being able to see
00:49:07.24\00:49:09.81
other campers that he
had gone to school with.
00:49:09.84\00:49:11.78
Wow. Incredible. Incredible.
00:49:11.81\00:49:13.92
That's great. That's great.
00:49:13.95\00:49:15.28
We got some more.
00:49:15.32\00:49:17.92
All right. We're
looking at, Norine?
00:49:17.95\00:49:19.75
This is a couple of girls that--
00:49:19.79\00:49:22.19
they went to school together
00:49:22.22\00:49:23.56
but they live in
opposite sides of the State
00:49:23.59\00:49:27.13
and so the one actually came
00:49:27.16\00:49:30.13
to visit the
other one during camp.
00:49:30.17\00:49:33.03
The one in the gray,
00:49:33.07\00:49:34.60
she was about half
way through the week,
00:49:34.64\00:49:38.17
she lost her mother.
00:49:38.21\00:49:40.18
And so she had to go home.
00:49:40.21\00:49:42.71
But she is rearing
to come back this year.
00:49:42.74\00:49:45.01
What is that they're petting?
00:49:45.05\00:49:47.52
I think it's goat.
00:49:47.55\00:49:48.88
Yeah, I was thinking, I
said that looks like a goat.
00:49:48.92\00:49:50.59
Yeah.
00:49:50.62\00:49:51.95
This is at the--
This is some of the--
00:49:51.99\00:49:56.29
It's a Nature Center.
00:49:56.32\00:49:57.66
Yeah, it's a Nature Center
00:49:57.69\00:50:00.10
and they have several
animals that they can pet.
00:50:00.13\00:50:01.46
I'm just so impressed
with the variety of experiences
00:50:01.50\00:50:03.67
that you have for them.
00:50:03.70\00:50:05.40
It's just
really, it's incredible,
00:50:05.43\00:50:07.60
it's really quite something.
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Oh, but zipline
and the wall-climbing
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and the-- they love--
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they learned how
to water ski there
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because they have the--
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Boom.
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Boom out to the side
and they get on that,
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that we don't have
those church with us.
00:50:24.22\00:50:27.02
Okay, we got couple more.
00:50:27.06\00:50:29.19
This is at one of
the outside activities
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and that is a volunteer
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that's actually
driving that young man
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and that young man is
just having a wonderful time.
00:50:34.53\00:50:38.83
As you can see. Yeah.
00:50:38.87\00:50:40.84
And this is the--
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the two on the-- in the green...
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Tube. Tube there.
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They are from Oklahoma
group that come to camp
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and the other two
are, one's from Texas
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and the other
one's from Little Rock.
00:50:57.15\00:51:02.26
Here's what impresses me,
00:51:02.29\00:51:03.63
the fact that not having sight
00:51:03.66\00:51:05.36
does not seem to hinder
these young people at all,
00:51:05.39\00:51:07.36
they are very interpret.
00:51:07.40\00:51:09.03
And some things
that I would not do
00:51:09.06\00:51:10.97
at this age in my life
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and that's have some sight,
00:51:12.37\00:51:14.60
you know, you
really got a--young people.
00:51:14.64\00:51:17.11
They really get in
there and enjoy life
00:51:17.14\00:51:19.44
and enjoy these camps.
00:51:19.47\00:51:20.81
So I see it's of
great value to them
00:51:20.84\00:51:22.48
because their
experience is so great, so rich.
00:51:22.51\00:51:24.88
Well, we have all ages.
00:51:24.91\00:51:26.68
Our oldest camper,
last years was probably 67,
00:51:26.72\00:51:29.92
the year before that was 72.
00:51:29.95\00:51:32.95
The last year we had 84 campers
00:51:32.99\00:51:37.43
and year before that we had 72.
00:51:37.46\00:51:41.16
The 72 year old,
00:51:41.20\00:51:42.76
the first time she came to camp,
00:51:42.80\00:51:44.63
she just came a couple of years
00:51:44.67\00:51:46.10
but she-- her goal
was to climb the wall.
00:51:46.13\00:51:51.74
And when she got
through climbing the wall,
00:51:51.77\00:51:53.98
I asked her how
she enjoyed doing that
00:51:54.01\00:51:58.28
and she said, it's
something you just do once.
00:51:58.31\00:52:00.62
Yeah.
00:52:00.65\00:52:02.22
You put it on your lips,
00:52:02.25\00:52:03.59
you check in and
then you press on.
00:52:03.62\00:52:04.95
I like the idea that
there's no upper age limit.
00:52:04.99\00:52:07.46
You think camp, you
think young people camp.
00:52:07.49\00:52:09.62
But you-- cradles of the grave
00:52:09.66\00:52:11.49
you can take them. Yes.
00:52:11.53\00:52:12.86
Praise the Lord.
00:52:12.89\00:52:14.23
We've seen a little
bit of what happens at camp
00:52:14.26\00:52:17.07
and as has been said
00:52:17.10\00:52:20.34
they are not charged
for this in any real sense.
00:52:20.37\00:52:23.37
This is a ministry
that really deserves
00:52:23.41\00:52:25.47
your support.
00:52:25.51\00:52:27.38
Should you like to make contact
00:52:27.41\00:52:28.74
with Christian Record
Services for the Blind
00:52:28.78\00:52:31.25
to support a particular camp
00:52:31.28\00:52:32.78
or the camp program
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00:52:32.81\00:52:35.25
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00:52:35.28\00:52:37.72
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00:52:41.49\00:52:43.79
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00:52:43.83\00:52:45.16
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00:52:45.19\00:52:46.53
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00:52:46.56\00:52:48.83
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00:52:48.86\00:52:50.20
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00:52:50.23\00:52:52.57
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00:52:52.60\00:52:55.10
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00:52:55.14\00:52:58.41
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00:52:58.44\00:52:59.94
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00:52:59.97\00:53:01.31
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00:53:01.34\00:53:03.75
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00:53:03.78\00:53:06.61
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00:53:06.65\00:53:10.45
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