Participants: C. A. Murray (Host), Bill Knott
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015025A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:09 My name is C.A. Murray 01:10 and allow me once again to thank you 01:12 for sharing just a little of your 01:14 no doubt busy day with us. 01:16 I thank you also for your love, 01:18 your prayers and your support of 3ABN. 01:20 We realize that we could not do 01:22 what we are called to do without partnership with you. 01:24 So we thank you everyday, every morning when we pray 01:27 and dedicate ourselves to the Lord. 01:28 We thank God for those of you who stand with us 01:31 and helping us to do this great work 01:33 that God has called us to do. 01:34 I'm excited today because our program 01:37 sort of exist at the intersection 01:39 of two media, 01:40 print media and of course broadcast media. 01:42 And we've got some, I don't want to say old friends 01:46 'cause when you get our age, you don't want to say old. 01:48 We'll say friends of long standing. 01:49 Dear friends, precious friends but not old friends. 01:53 Bill Knott is the, the predator, editor, 01:58 perhaps-- Something so-- 02:00 Editor of the Adventist Review 02:02 and Claude Richli is Marketing Director 02:04 for Adventist Review 02:05 and also Adventist World, is that not so? 02:06 That is correct. So you wear two hats. 02:08 That's correct. Very, very good. 02:09 So we're gonna talk about some changes 02:11 that have taken place lately in the Adventist Review 02:15 that are really exciting for us. 02:16 Then we want to get to know these guys 02:18 in a little bit more personal way. 02:20 Bill has been here, he's preached at 3ABN 02:22 I guess a number of times and fine preacher of the word. 02:25 In fact the first time I met you 02:27 was back in Albany New York back in-- 02:29 Oh, wow. Close to 20 years ago. 02:31 You were not at Review, I think you're still on Oregon. 02:34 Yeah. Of west coast. 02:35 Yes, I had forgotten that was that long ago. 02:37 Yeah, and we called you in 02:39 for series of meetings, some young people's meeting. 02:40 Yes, exactly. 02:41 In fact I must have missed something. 02:43 I stole a portion of one of your messages. 02:45 You're forgiven. 02:46 Thank you for absolution, I appreciate it. 02:50 But a good message is good stuff 02:52 and I say this guy is-- this guy is got a gift. 02:54 He's a-- he can, he can really bring the word. 02:56 Preachers preach to themselves. Yeah, indeed. 02:58 Remember that. Very, very true. 03:01 So it kind of followed you 03:02 then of course you landed at Adventist Review, 03:03 you've been for how many years now? 03:04 It will be 18 years this summer. 03:06 Wow, time gets away from you, doesn't it? 03:08 Yeah, it's actually now just equaling 03:11 the amount of time I spent in pastoral ministry, 03:13 so kind of got a split career here. 03:15 Back then you were telling stories about your young sons, 03:17 which you have told me recent, not so young anymore. 03:19 No, they're actually in their mid 20s now 03:22 and both married. 03:23 Wow. 03:24 As of last summer two weddings in 11 weeks. 03:27 Wow. 03:29 It gets you moving around. Yeah, we were moved. 03:31 Claude, you are the marketing director. 03:36 But you're not from the United States, 03:37 you weren't born in United States. 03:38 I was not born in the United States 03:40 that is correct. 03:41 I was born on the island of Mauritius 03:42 in the Indian Ocean. 03:44 You know, that's a "quiz question" 03:45 where is Mauritius? 03:46 Nobody would know 03:47 and most people don't know where it is. 03:49 Yeah. 03:50 It's about 500 miles east of the great island of Madagascar. 03:55 My parents served a term as missionaries there 03:59 and so I was born as a Mauritian 04:01 and still I'm to this day. 04:03 Praise the Lord, yeah. 04:04 But my folks came from Switzerland. 04:06 Yes. 04:08 I figure this, either your parents were missionaries 04:09 or somebody fell off the boat. 04:10 Yeah. That's right. 04:12 Exactly, especially in those days. 04:14 Very, very much it though. 04:16 Bill, Adventist family as far as growing up 04:18 of Adventist background? 04:19 Yep, my dad came from an Adventist family 04:22 and my mom was raised as a Roman Catholic, 04:26 became an Adventist as a teenager 04:28 along with my grandmother. 04:29 And those two met because my dad taught 04:32 church school around the corner from a conference office 04:34 where she worked as a secretary. 04:35 Have mercy. 04:36 And so my parents were-- 04:39 Adventist education brought them together 04:41 and kind of created a family where 04:45 Adventist education was sort of the big thing for us. 04:47 My dad taught for the Adventist Church 04:49 for almost 50 years. 04:51 And my mom worked in conference and union and college 04:54 offices for about 40 years. 04:56 Yeah, now you're a Northeast guy. 04:58 Yeah, I grew up in mostly in Massachusetts. 05:00 I was born in Upstate New York in Cortland. 05:02 Pastored in Upstate New York and in New England 05:06 and along with several other places 05:07 including Michigan in the Northwest 05:09 but I count myself a Yankee, yeah. 05:12 Oh, Praise the Lord. Not a New York Yankee. 05:13 Now just for the record. 05:15 Yeah, from being from the Northeast 05:17 I know what your team is 05:19 and of course having spent 30 years in New York 05:20 you know, what my team is-- 05:21 I do-- I do, I won't go there. 05:23 That may be the only area 05:24 which we would disagree on this particular program. 05:27 But having said so, 05:29 your mother was an ex Roman Catholic. 05:31 You went out and married an ex Roman Catholic. 05:33 In fact my wife who grew up 05:35 about 30 miles west of where I did. 05:37 We never met until we went to work together 05:41 at the conference youth camp. 05:42 She has just been baptized a year earlier 05:44 in the last evangelistic series 05:47 that Mark Finley held in New England 05:49 before moving to the Midwest. 05:50 She and her family were devout Roman Catholics, 05:52 were attracted to a focus on the word of God 05:55 particularly on prophecy, 05:57 and came into the church in 1978. 06:00 I met her at summer camp in 1979. 06:04 I was the assistant director 06:06 helping to mentor the new younger counselors, 06:09 you know, and got to know Debbie 06:12 and she has brought that focus on soul winning and evangelism 06:17 into my life in very vivid detail. 06:19 Because she's always looking 06:22 at the way our church responds to people 06:24 who didn't grow up in this faith as I did 06:26 and that combination is really been a great blessing 06:29 to our ministry together. 06:30 Yeah, yeah. 06:31 One more question before I go to Claude. 06:33 People always ask us 06:35 they don't know how people get to certain positions, 06:38 if they are voted, if they are appointed, if they are elected. 06:40 How does one become editor of Adventist Review? 06:42 Well, I think God has something to do with this. 06:46 And it certain-- it certainly doesn't come by any devising 06:51 I was shocked when they invited me to come 06:53 and serve as an associate first. 06:55 I had always been involved in writing and in journalism 06:59 but with the actual appointment 07:01 as editor of Adventist Review and Adventist World 07:05 comes as an election by, 07:07 the General Conference Executive Committee. 07:09 It's not at the same time 07:11 as the General Conference session each year 07:12 but it's held at the first annual counsel 07:15 and each, every five years the church gets to decide 07:18 whether they want to continue with that team 07:21 or bring in do leadership 07:22 to lead those media ministries of the church. 07:25 And so we work until the Lord tells us, 07:30 otherwise in the brethren tell us otherwise. 07:32 Praise God. Praise God. 07:33 A double question for Claude also because 07:36 obviously your parents were Adventists, 07:37 they were missionaries. 07:38 Where they the first generation of Adventist in your family? 07:41 They were yes indeed. 07:43 My father had actually come from Switzerland 07:46 to the United States in the years before the war 07:49 and had become an Adventist here in the US 07:51 and studied at the Pacific Union College. 07:54 Graduated from Pacific Union College, 07:56 then graduated from at the time 07:58 Potomac University in Takoma Park 08:02 just outside of Washington. 08:04 And he was one of the first people 08:06 to return to Europe 08:08 after the war on one of those ships 08:11 that had finally been given over to civil traffic. 08:16 And he had a burden for his country 08:18 and went back to Switzerland 08:19 and from there after few years he-- 08:21 he was invited to go to Mauritius as a missionary. 08:25 Praise the Lord. 08:26 Pastor has a burden for Switzerland 08:27 end up in Mauritius. 08:32 But we praise the God for missionaries 08:35 and we're gonna date this program just a little bit 08:36 but I want to ask this question 08:37 because you're about to get very busy both of you 08:40 'cause General Conference session is coming. 08:42 And you're gonna be producing a whole lot of material. 08:44 Talk to us little bit about 08:46 what's gonna be happening during General Conference? 08:47 Well, there's several key pieces to what we produce 08:50 in preparation for 08:51 and at the General Conference session. 08:53 Since 1863 in the very first General Conference session 08:58 whose minutes you can read in the Adventist Review 09:02 then known as the Review and Herald. 09:04 The Review has been the record keeper 09:08 of General Conference sessions 09:09 and actually almost 90 years ago 09:12 officially voted to that designation 09:14 to carry the proceedings, 09:16 the minutes of all the churches business sessions. 09:19 In those days it was every four years, 09:21 now it's every five, so we have both legal 09:25 and readership responsibility to carry the news 09:29 and the proceedings 09:30 of these important gatherings to the world church. 09:33 We do that by preparing before each session 09:36 what we call a supplement, that doesn't mean a lot 09:39 and there's nothing to do with vitamins. 09:40 It's actually all of the departmental reports 09:43 for the previous five years, 09:45 so before people come and decide 09:46 whether they want the same leadership 09:48 for the next five years or to change it, 09:50 they get to read a candid assessment 09:52 of what's happened in that area, 09:54 how it's grown or developed or changed. 09:55 So you do that, I thought that came out of secretariat. 09:57 No, we prepare that supplement 09:59 and the secretariat also prepares 10:02 explanatory materials but that's supplement 10:04 which is about an 80 page document. 10:06 It comes out of our office. 10:08 And then we produce eight daily bulletins 10:11 at the General Conference session. 10:13 Each of those is 48 pages 10:16 and if you think producing a 48 page magazine 10:19 every 24 hours is challenging. 10:22 I'll invite you to come and join us 10:24 because it stresses everybody's work load and work day 10:29 about as much as you can imagine. 10:31 And fortunately God always brings us 10:34 people of talent and interest to come 10:37 and augment our staff with volunteers. 10:39 We literally have this year a photographer from Germany, 10:43 a professor from the Philippines, 10:46 teachers from various Adventist schools 10:48 around the country. 10:49 We've got Korean editors and Spanish translators. 10:53 And we've got a global team coming together 10:55 to help us get this crucial job done 10:58 48 pages everyday for eight days. 11:01 That's exciting. 11:02 Now that's available to the general publish, 11:04 I think there're other things just available 11:05 to the delegates, is that not so? 11:07 The supplement, it goes to the delegates. 11:09 It's also mailed to all of our subscribers, 11:12 so all of our subscribers get that supplement. 11:14 They get to read 11:15 all the departmental work as well. 11:16 You'll get one. I'll make sure you'll get it. 11:19 I want to thank you. 11:20 Claude, anything that you are assigned to do 11:22 specifically during the General Conference time? 11:24 Well, the General Conference time for us 11:26 is of course a very exciting events 11:28 to make the Adventist Review 11:30 known to our readership around the world. 11:33 And specifically 11:35 I will be in charge of making sure 11:37 that's every morning 11:38 the Adventist Review daily bulletins 11:41 will be delivered to the delegates 11:42 and to the visitors. 11:44 But as well I will be running a program 11:46 with kids between the age of 14 and 20 11:49 who will actually be selling 11:51 the daily bulletins to the visitors 11:54 and making the magazine better known, 11:58 selling subscriptions 11:59 and just creating a stronger brand 12:01 and recognition for the magazine in general. 12:03 Yes. 12:05 So if you are out there at General Conference time, 12:07 you see young persons running around with a review, 12:09 a full size review and I'll say what that means, 12:11 I'll explain that in just a little bit. 12:12 Buy one because 12:14 is there any other way to get them? 12:15 Actually you need have some role either as a delegate 12:20 or official guest or we keep that cost at cost, 12:24 so that we can make it widely available 12:26 to everyone who comes to the session. 12:28 Yeah, I always look forward to them 12:29 because I tend to come on with a stack of that stuff 12:31 because it gives you kind of a deep brief 12:33 of all of the actions certainly and you can kind of codify 12:36 if you wanted to just have that information 12:37 off all the actions that took place 12:38 because there's a lot of stuff going on during a day 12:40 that we don't get too. 12:41 It's an amazing number of things happening 12:43 at all kinds of venues there. 12:45 We send reporters out. They cover all of those. 12:47 We work collaboratively 12:48 with other media in the building 12:50 and we come back with both web and print and video segments 12:55 that help give people a sense of this enormous gathering. 12:59 And what it does to build the faith 13:01 of the global church. 13:03 For each us who gets to be in the middle of that 13:05 even though it's stressful at times, 13:07 it's also very much faith building. 13:08 It is very much. 13:10 I think every Adventist ought to get at least one. 13:12 Because it makes you, 13:14 as a pastor friend of mine used to say humbly proud 13:17 that you serve the Adventists 13:18 and to see the reach of the church 13:20 and the expanse of the church 13:21 and the diversity of the church. 13:23 And the language and the colors 13:24 and the flavors and the textures, 13:25 you know you're immersing all these for 10 days 13:28 and you come away feeling very proud and very satisfied 13:32 that God is doing a great work world wide. 13:34 In 2000 up in Toronto the General Conference session 13:37 my parents were then living were able to join us up there. 13:41 And I'll never forget standing in the top tier of the sky dome 13:46 in Toronto with my mom. 13:48 One who'd become an Adventist as a teenager 13:51 in a relatively small church in Upstate New York. 13:54 And she stood there and looked out 13:56 at 60,000 Seventh-day Adventists 13:58 listen to the music which was such a part of her life. 14:01 And she turned to me and she said oh, 14:03 she said I just wish my mom could have seen this. 14:06 We always thought of ourselves as part of a little faith. 14:09 Just a small group of people and out to see 14:12 what God is doing on a global scale. 14:15 I just watched her just well up with emotion 14:18 and for me it was real special moment 14:19 to share that with her and to realize that 14:21 what I sometimes take for granted. 14:23 The scope and the scale and the size and the color 14:26 is tremendously impressive to people 14:28 who don't get to live with that. 14:30 Yes. Yes. Yes, my mother born in Toronto. 14:33 We grew up in Buffalo New York 90 miles south 14:35 and baptized her in the church myself. 14:38 So when we were there, I went to Buffalo 14:40 and got her and brought her back 14:41 'cause I wanted her to see one. 14:43 You get the same thing. Wanted her to see one. 14:45 And she jaw dropping you know, just-- just this is our church 14:50 and the nightly patches and to see the work 14:52 that the God is doing around the world. 14:53 It is-- it's thrilling to do so 14:55 and you get to report on all this. 14:56 Yeah. That's right. 14:57 You know the-- 14:58 there I have to admit there are times 15:00 when I enjoyed General Conference sessions 15:02 more in the rearview mirror. 15:05 I can kind of reflect on-- 15:07 I must, pastor, do you agree. 15:10 All of our team right now is really heavily engage 15:13 not only putting out our regular work 15:15 but we do a lot work in advance to preplan many of the features 15:19 and the special pieces 15:20 that we know readers are gonna be interested. 15:22 Not the least of which is how to get around San Antonio 15:26 or where are the vegetarian restaurants. 15:28 Or what are the things that would be kid friendly 15:30 and faith building to do in this city 15:32 while you're there. 15:33 I didn't know you did all of that extra stuff-- 15:34 Oh, yes, that's all part of that 15:36 first bulletin you get. 15:38 The one we're gonna hand deliver to you there. 15:39 I want to thank you. 15:40 Well, you be on our sets so you can bring-- 15:42 I'll come. I'll bring it. 15:44 Excellent that is really, really wonderful. 15:46 Well, we've got some great news to talk to you about, 15:49 some exciting things that are happening. 15:50 Some changes both major and minor 15:54 that are happening at the Review. 15:55 Before we do that, we want to go to our special music 15:57 so that we can sort of loose the brethren and let them go. 16:00 Rudy Micelli came in just a little while ago 16:02 and sang for us 16:03 and he's gonna be singing a medley. 16:06 I will sing the Wondrous Love and Out of the Ivory Palaces. 16:10 You're gonna enjoy this. 16:12 I will sing the wondrous story 16:19 Of the Christ Who died for me 16:25 How He left His home in glory 16:31 For the cross of Calvary 16:37 Yes, I'll sing the wondrous story 16:44 Of the Christ Who died for me 16:51 Sing it with the saints in glory 16:57 Gathered by the crystal sea 17:09 My Lord has garments so wondrous fine 17:16 And myrrh their texture fills 17:24 Its fragrance reached 17:27 to this heart of mine 17:32 With joy my being thrills 17:39 Out of the ivory palaces 17:46 Into a world of woe 17:53 Only His great eternal love 18:00 Made my Savior go 18:07 In garments glorious He will come 18:13 To open wide the door 18:19 And I shall enter my heav'nly home 18:29 To dwell forevermore 18:36 Out of the ivory palaces 18:42 Into a world of woe 18:48 Only His great eternal love 18:57 Only His great eternal love 19:06 Made my Savior go 19:13 Out of the ivory palaces 19:20 Into a world of woe 19:26 Only His great eternal love 19:35 Made my Savior go 19:43 Made my Savior go 20:08 Rudy Micelli, well done, thank you so very, very much. 20:11 Claude, I did not ask you, I asked Bill, 20:14 I should say Dr. Knott. 20:15 Bill would do. Okay. 20:18 Your background your own personal background 20:20 was is it ministerial track 20:22 or did you come to the Review some other way? 20:25 Well, I have a dual track. I was trained as a pastor. 20:28 I'm a graduate of Andrews University 20:30 and this is where I got to meet Bill. 20:33 In seminary. 20:34 In seminary but I also graduated 20:37 with masters of business administration 20:40 and went into business management 20:42 and specifically marketing 20:44 and sales management for seven years. 20:46 I started my career in Canada 20:48 as a sales of marketing executive. 20:50 And in fact at the end of those seven years 20:53 I was sales manager for 20:56 one of Canada's largest outdoor advertising company. 21:00 And that gave me of course a lot of experience in sales 21:04 and processes and management process 21:07 which served me well 21:09 in the capacity where I'm today. 21:11 Excellent. Excellent. 21:13 So, Bill, your degree is not in-- 21:15 your pastoral degree-- 21:17 Did you do anything with the journalism 21:18 prior to coming to a Review? 21:20 Well, I like a lot of people who end up in rating careers. 21:24 I had a degree in English on the undergraduate level. 21:28 And worked in the variety 21:29 of campus public relation offices 21:31 and did turning out ad journals 21:34 and magazines for various entities. 21:36 When I went into pastoral ministry, 21:39 I guess you would probably say, 21:40 I focused on written things a lot. 21:43 And as I hadn't thought about it this way 21:46 until I was invited to come to the Review 21:48 and I realized I guess writing is a lot of what I do, 21:51 it's the way I organize life. 21:52 And Bill Johnson, my predecessor 21:55 used to use an expression that 21:57 the best writers are the compulsive ones. 21:59 The ones who have to-- 22:00 who have to write in order to feel good about life 22:03 and I guess you put me in that category. 22:05 I would add along the way 22:08 life experience as a pastor 22:11 is a crucial piece of preparation 22:13 for the role that I'm in right now. 22:15 Because what readers are asking for 22:19 and they tell us this 22:20 in the thousand of letters a year 22:22 is a journal that ministers to them 22:26 when they can't get to church because of age or illness, 22:30 when at times they find themselves estranged 22:33 from a local congregation. 22:34 This magazine can still go into their home 22:36 and can still speak the gospel 22:39 and still speaks the Three Angels' Messages 22:40 into situations where maybe your spouses isn't supportive 22:44 or kids don't want to go to church 22:46 or there is a lot of difficult family circumstances. 22:49 This magazine is that pastoral presence week by week. 22:53 And so it really is was a tremendous blessing 22:55 that I didn't know God was preparing me for to 22:58 bring me through those many years 22:59 that my wife and I just loved in pastoral ministry 23:02 as I was sharing with you a few moments ago. 23:04 There are days when I miss it a lot still 23:07 and yet I learned that for many people 23:11 the team that we've been able to assemble 23:13 including others with pastoral experience 23:16 speaks that into the lives 23:17 of so many thousands of readers. 23:19 You've also just given us a context for viewing 23:21 the Review as it is currently stands 23:24 that it's not a hard news magazine per se. 23:28 It though does had that feature 23:29 or it is not one of features per se, 23:31 though it does have that, 23:32 but it's also a way to connect the person who doesn't get out 23:36 or who needs to know 23:37 what's going on the other side of the world 23:38 or what's going on even across the country 23:41 to kind of connect them to the whole. 23:43 With the very first edition of Present Truth 23:45 which was the immediate magazine 23:47 out of which Adventist Review today comes, 23:49 166 years ago this summer. 23:52 Oldest, continuously published religious journal 23:56 in North America now. 23:57 We just passed-- 23:58 And that is something to which you should be justly proud. 24:00 Well, we're proud but it's actually a recognition 24:04 that God has a mission for this magazine. 24:06 James White wrote in his very first page 24:09 that the mission of this magazine 24:10 was to gather the scattered flock. 24:14 There's a pastoral image right there. 24:16 Yes. It's gathering the flock. 24:18 It was recognizing that God's people 24:20 needed something to pull them together. 24:22 And at the time he began publishing, 24:23 you could count the number of Sabbath keeping Adventist, 24:27 they weren't yet Seventh-day Adventists. 24:30 You could count them in maybe 500 persons 24:33 scattered across the northern tier of the United States. 24:36 This magazine became the glue 24:38 that started tying them to each other. 24:40 I tease the General Conference officers 24:43 fairly often at our board meetings 24:45 that actually if you want to ask 24:48 how did the Seventh-day Adventist church come to be. 24:50 It was that a bunch of Review readers 24:52 got together and formed the denomination 24:54 and that's actually about what happened 24:57 by the time 1863 comes along. 24:59 There are about 3,000 people reading the Review 25:02 and that's about the number who became the nucleus 25:05 of the modern Seventh-day Adventist movement. 25:08 And that magazine gone through so many changes 25:12 and over the years has become 25:14 woven into the fabric of what it means 25:16 to be part of this great Advent movement. 25:19 I as a child Friday nights, 25:22 I would lie on the floor in the living room 25:24 beside the fire place and open a magazine 25:27 I was eight, nine years old reading a magazine. 25:31 I had no idea that 50 years later 25:33 I would somehow be involved in keeping that magazine 25:36 in front of tens of thousands of readers around the world. 25:40 God is at works in ways 25:42 when we have no idea that He's at work. 25:44 Very true. Very true and preparing you. 25:46 So let's walk back from those days to 25:49 'cause the magazine has certainly gone 25:50 any number of facelifts and then differentiate for us 25:54 sort of demythologize or demystify 25:57 Adventist World and Review 25:59 because a lot of people get those kind of mixed up 26:01 and you carry both of those hats, 26:02 so let's walk through that and separate the two. 26:05 In fact, you know, Adventist Review is 26:07 by far the older journal as I mention now 166 years old 26:12 and until 10 years ago a really the only edition 26:16 put out by the General Conference 26:18 at a couple of regional variations. 26:20 However 10 years ago 26:22 the General Conference leadership decided to take 26:25 the concept of a world wide magazine 26:28 that would be distributed free of charge 26:30 to membership all around the globe 26:32 and launch that forward. 26:34 And so this September 26:35 we're celebrating 10 years of Adventist World. 26:38 Ten years. That's right. 26:39 Adventist World magazine 26:41 is now significantly the largest journal 26:46 published by the church. 26:47 And he's my good friend Cliff Goldstein that 26:50 when you produce only once a quarter 26:52 in the adult Bible study guide it doesn't really "count." 26:56 In fact there a million and a half copies 27:00 of this magazine printed every month around the world. 27:03 That's so-- 27:04 And we best estimates and conservative estimates 27:07 suggest that somewhere between 27:08 seven and eight million Adventists every month 27:12 are within arms reach of this magazine. 27:14 We know that it gets 27:15 anywhere between 6 and 10 different touches 27:18 in many places around the globe. 27:20 It's handed house to house 27:22 in some cases prison cell to prison cell 27:24 because we know the ministry it does 27:26 in many parts of the world report. 27:28 Incarcerates are sharing this magazine 27:30 and coming to faith. 27:31 So you get anecdotal stuff back on that. 27:33 Not just anecdotal, we've got a lot of actual metrics 27:35 in now about persons who join the church 27:38 from a magazine that really was never intended 27:40 to be an evangelistic journal. 27:42 It was there to do that same work. 27:43 Yes. 27:44 Gathering the scattered flock. 27:46 Adventist Review, the old and journal 27:49 that it'd been there all along 27:51 the good old Review still continued 27:54 but Adventist World came along 10 years ago 27:57 on a massive scale and became fairly quickly 28:01 one of the largest products 28:03 produced by the General Conference. 28:05 I will tell you that the man to my right 28:06 is almost single-handedly responsible for creating 28:10 the first monthly distribution system 28:14 of any journal that this world churches had. 28:17 And that means going into many regions 28:20 where there was no monthly distribution of anything 28:22 and creating a distribution system. 28:24 So that believers would get 28:26 solid faithful Adventist content, 28:30 Bible content, every month and to build them up. 28:34 It's preached from, elders use it for sermons, 28:36 for Bible studies. 28:37 It becomes that glue 28:39 that does that same thing James White was taking about. 28:42 Gathering the scattered flock. Praise God. 28:43 Claude, let me just switch to you for just a moment. 28:45 Is that printed from any number 28:47 of published houses around that world? 28:49 Has all come out of Review, how is that distributed? 28:51 No, absolutely, 28:52 we have a number of publishing houses 28:54 around the world and printed presses 28:55 actually a total of 19 at the moment 28:58 on all continents. 29:00 I shouldn't say that. 29:02 We do not print in Africa at the moment. 29:05 It's still a bit to expensive 29:07 but certainly we have a very, very rich 29:10 and broad network of printers 29:13 that go all the way from Australia to South Korea 29:16 via South America, Mexico, India and other places. 29:21 Where is it determined 29:24 what the content will be for a given magazine? 29:27 Those decisions are made by 29:28 the editorial team based in Silver Spring 29:31 at the General Conference headquarters. 29:33 And we deliberately have recruited 29:36 an international cast of characters. 29:38 I like to remind people that when I became editor 29:42 just eight years ago not a single member 29:45 of that team including me spoke a second language. 29:48 Today there are six languages spoken just by our team. 29:51 He personally has about four or five of those but we've-- 29:57 We've recruited people who come from 29:59 a wide range of cultural and linguistic experiences 30:02 and experiences of Adventist faith 30:05 in other regions serving as teachers, 30:07 missionaries their home regions. 30:10 We've deliberately brought together 30:11 very international team to publish and choose content, 30:15 and we recruit through our networks 30:17 of friends and colleagues 30:19 that we've worked with through the years, 30:20 articles that really represent global Adventism. 30:24 That flavor of Adventism, 30:27 the world wide global nature of it 30:29 exists right alongside the weekly Adventist Review 30:33 up until literally one month ago. 30:36 Because in fact until one month ago 30:38 if you'd been an Adventist Reviews subscriber 30:41 as many have for all their lives, 30:43 you were getting two journals one three times a month 30:48 Adventist Review 30:49 and one once a month Adventist World 30:52 and that sequence four journals coming every month 30:56 each of them about 32 pages in length 31:00 was very comforting to many people 31:01 because there was a rhythm based-- 31:03 in fact I think the numbers we saw suggested that 31:06 something as many as 45% of our readers 31:10 had a habit of sitting down on Friday evening 31:13 and Sabbath came and reading the Review. 31:16 This was an important piece. 31:18 Well, several years ago when our board 31:20 and our General Conference leadership that sits 31:22 on our board began looking 31:23 at a strategic vision for these magazines. 31:26 We realize that we needed to do something 31:28 to differentiate them because many people 31:31 mistook one for the other. 31:33 They didn't realize the differences 31:36 between the two and so we began working 31:38 overall carefully planned process 31:41 to try to reach out to a younger audience 31:45 in one case 31:46 and to keep that world wide global audience in the other. 31:49 I've sometimes used the old campfire song 31:52 deep and wide to illustrate the two journals. 31:56 Adventist Review which now exists 31:58 in a much different look in the format. 32:01 Smaller format, a thicker format, 32:04 it's almost the size of three of those 32:07 weekly editions put together 32:09 but that is deliberately designed 32:11 to appeal to a younger 32:13 and group of faithful Adventists 32:16 who are interested in learning about their faith, 32:19 growing as Christians and as disciples 32:21 raising families as faithful families. 32:24 We're out there reaching out to those audiences now 32:27 and helping them understand 32:28 the differences between these two journals. 32:29 Yeah, let me stop you and put a pin on something 32:32 and sort of bring you back to mind in just a little bit. 32:34 Because I know that there are people 32:35 in our audience who when they hear you say 32:39 we are reaching out to a young audience. 32:42 They trance like that okay, it's time to get crazy, 32:44 you know. 32:45 They're saying, it's time to say, 32:46 okay, we're gonna go also deep end 32:47 it's gonna be bells and whistles on, 32:49 a lot of nonsense but talk to me about 32:52 your own personal desire to keep this in the center 32:55 of what we believe that who we are. 32:57 Well, Adventist Review if you're going to be faithful 33:00 to its long and mission and history 33:04 in the life of the church. 33:05 It has to deliver solid straight up Adventist content 33:08 every edition and that's a commitment 33:11 that we've made as a team that I personally made 33:13 that you're going to hear no false notes on the trumpet. 33:17 You're in fact you're going to hear 33:19 those essentials of Adventism, the soon coming of Jesus, 33:23 salvation by faith in Jesus. 33:25 The significance of the Sabbath, 33:27 the significance of an Adventist lifestyle. 33:29 I say regularly in my preaching and in my writing 33:32 I believe in an Adventist lifestyle. 33:34 And I want us to be 33:35 unapologetically be sharing the good news 33:37 of that lifestyle at a time when the world is eager 33:40 for the kind of information about how to live healthy 33:43 and happy and holy lives. 33:45 So when we talk about reaching out 33:46 to a younger audience. 33:48 We're not talking about moving the margins 33:50 or moving the tent stakes. 33:52 We're talking about in fact finding those 33:54 tens, hundreds of thousands of faithful young adult, 33:58 young family Adventists who are eager to know 34:01 how do I get involved in my church. 34:02 How do I get involved in mission? 34:04 Who have sometimes perceived that the church was about 34:08 the older generation and not about them. 34:10 In fact, I've got sons in exactly 34:13 the demographic group that are reaching out 34:15 to right now. 34:16 Young adults, young marrieds, we're trying to help them 34:19 understand God is leading you into leadership positions 34:23 in this church. 34:24 Be prepared, know your faith well. 34:26 Ask the right questions. Get involved in mission. 34:29 Get involved with people who are involved in mission. 34:32 These are the things we're trying to guide people 34:35 to when we talk about reaching out 34:36 to a younger demographic. 34:38 It is not playing with the edges 34:40 or dancing on the edges. 34:42 That's not our interest. 34:43 Our interest is bringing faithful people 34:46 of whatever age into a close alignment 34:50 with God's word and with His church. 34:51 Praise God. We resonate with that. 34:52 And, Claude, you mentioned to that one of the things 34:55 you're gonna be doing at General Conference 34:57 is young people are gonna be selling the magazine. 34:59 So obviously you have gotten buy in from that demographic 35:03 as far as we like what you are selling. 35:05 We're ready to pitch what you are selling. 35:07 - We want to be on board. - Definitely. 35:08 In fact with the new format that we have here, 35:11 we think that we have-- 35:13 we have a real winner. 35:14 The most enthusiastic endorsements 35:16 that we've received so far 35:17 and we're still into that of very early stage. 35:20 We just launched the magazine-- 35:21 the new format this very month 35:23 but the first responses that we've received 35:26 particularly from that demographic segment 35:28 has been nothing short of enthusiastic. 35:31 I mean they are really, really excited to the point where, 35:35 you know, some of them are just subscribing to it on the spot. 35:40 It's fun to walk down a hallway and have people 35:42 who have never said a word to you about the magazine 35:44 you published for all these years. 35:45 Pull you aside and say, I really like that. 35:47 I really want to see that. 35:49 And frankly part of what we've done is very, 35:52 in a very calculated way gone out to say 35:54 we can provide top quality high inertest, 35:58 faithful Adventist content to both our long term 36:01 and our new readers 36:02 from much more attractive price. 36:04 Praise the Lord. 36:05 We've literally cut that price almost in half 36:07 of what it was one month ago. 36:08 All right. 36:09 And that frankly is something we've been aiming at 36:12 for a number of years 36:13 God's created the set of business circumstances 36:16 that's allowed us to do that 36:18 and we're watching people respond. 36:19 Everyday my phone rings with someone saying 36:23 just saw the new magazine, love it, I'm subscribing again 36:27 often if they're used to are coming back. 36:29 I'm sending copies to my family. 36:31 We realize that God is doing something right now 36:34 in giving us a new launch, a new birth 36:37 for one of the oldest things in the Adventist movement. 36:39 Yeah, yeah, very, very exciting. 36:41 One of the things I would say in looking at this it-- 36:43 there's something very user friendly about this side. 36:46 Yes. 36:47 There's something just very warm 36:48 and inviting about this particular size. 36:50 The other one is the more Time magazine 36:52 kind of size and it's just-- 36:53 it's not off putting but there's something 36:55 really nice about this size. 36:57 Well, in fact the tagline that we have chosen 37:01 is it'll travel with you. 37:03 I like that. 37:04 Meaning that you can put in your purse. 37:05 You can put it in your brief case. 37:07 It's a little bit smaller than an iPad. 37:10 And you know, it just easy to take with you and to read 37:14 when you have a two minute break. 37:16 Many of our readers wanted to know 37:18 what are you gonna do about that weekliness 37:20 that I mean, I'm used to reading the whole thing 37:22 through on Friday night 37:23 and there's too much material to read on one Friday night. 37:26 And so we give them a guide 37:28 at the very opening of the edition 37:30 which says here's how to look at this journal 37:32 over four weeks of reading. 37:34 There are four distinct sections of this magazine 37:38 that each correspond to a week of the month. 37:40 And you'll find high quality inspiration 37:43 devotional material, Bible study, 37:45 family life material. 37:47 For instance in this first edition 37:49 you'll find fascinating information 37:51 about what young adult Adventists believe 37:54 and how they live their Adventism out? 37:57 You'll find a cover story by an author to be named later 38:02 that asks the question am I an Adventist? 38:05 That really asks people 38:06 to search their own hearts with integrity. 38:08 Are you living as an Adventist? 38:10 Are you in fact believing what's Seventh-day Adventists 38:13 have historically believe, those things we now describe as 38:16 the 28 fundamentals of our faith. 38:19 Are you in fact involved in the mission of the church 38:22 or have you by some chance become a by standard 38:24 to the Advent movement. 38:26 We're trying to challenge people 38:27 to faithfully recommit to this movement. 38:30 And we're giving them 38:31 the opportunity in a substantial journal. 38:34 We of the many, many focus groups we conducted. 38:37 We put this size journal out 38:39 and we said what you think of this? 38:41 And they said if it'd look like that 38:43 and it was that size, 38:45 I'd leave it out for my friends, 38:47 which was the response we want to get. 38:48 There's something about this size 38:49 that's very, very inviting. 38:51 Now, I don't know if-- 38:52 if we can get in on this. 38:54 I'm gonna hold this up so that you can kind of see, 38:56 you can push in on 38:57 there's the little a tab colors. 38:59 Can you see those on the edge, 39:00 I don't know if I'm holding it at, I better know I'm not. 39:05 But on the edge they're these little colors, 39:07 four different colors 39:09 that sort of divide this into four different sections. 39:12 And it's really, really 39:13 you can just barely see them one the edge there. 39:16 Here is one, lost it. Here's another one. 39:19 You see a little tab on the edge, 39:20 really, really well done so that-- 39:22 it's already kind of predigested for you. 39:24 You just got to read it 39:25 and if you want to go on you can, 39:26 but if you want to stop 39:27 and divide it up equally, you've got it. 39:28 You've got it done. 39:29 One of the things you have to do with any journal 39:31 especially when you're introducing a new edition 39:33 and show people how to use it. 39:35 So there's a lot of tools in the magazine 39:37 that show you, here's how to use it. 39:39 Here's how to find your way around. 39:41 Here are your favorite sections. 39:42 They're now presented in a little different way 39:44 and most importantly here's the same faithfulness. 39:48 Here's the same commitment to the Adventist message. 39:51 The pictures may look different and you may realize 39:54 that it's aiming at a group of persons 39:56 who may the age of your children 39:58 or your grandchildren 40:00 but I don't know a single viewer of 3ABN 40:03 who isn't praying for their children 40:06 and their grandchildren. 40:07 Very much so. 40:08 I can tell you this is one of those journals 40:10 that will go out and reach that group of people, 40:12 now if they're in the faith it will keep them, 40:14 if they're not in the faith 40:16 it will help to bring them back. 40:17 Let me talk to you this flower, are you yet alive to smell it. 40:21 The Adventist Review has had in my estimation the tact, 40:27 the blessing to be where 40:29 it's a sort of scratch to our edge 40:31 and that is very true 40:33 as you been the editor that your articles, 40:35 this one included is sort of right where it needs to be 40:38 and it's dealing with an issue that is timely 40:40 and that needs to be address and readdress 40:43 in a magazine of this sorts so, 40:45 you know, well done and let me say that. 40:46 You're kind to say so and I will tell you that 40:49 as we plan this first edition and as we plan 40:51 each one of these editions, 40:53 we do a lot of praying together as a team. 40:55 We bring the whole team together and we think together. 40:58 What does the church need right now? 41:00 How do we gather the scattered flock? 41:02 We pool our understanding of what God is doing 41:05 and asks how do we give the assignments to writers. 41:09 Who are the best people to communicate these things? 41:12 There are times when I suppose people think, 41:15 well, they're just sort of reach in 41:16 and pull something out of this drawer 41:17 and out of that drawer. 41:19 I have never in my life been around 41:21 a more intentional project 41:23 in the re-launch of Adventist Review. 41:26 And whether people like it or don't, I can tell you 41:29 it has come with an immense amount of thought and prayer. 41:32 We walk this by General Conference leadership 41:35 and brought them into the process 41:37 to help guide us in this. 41:38 We believe that we've got an opportunity 41:40 God is giving us here now to continue that mission 41:42 that began frankly with Ellen White's vision. 41:45 Exactly. 41:46 1848, about 30 miles from where I grew up 41:49 in Massachusetts. 41:50 Ellen White has this vision of her husband beginning 41:53 a little journal which she said 41:55 would go like extremes of light around the world. 41:58 Well, we're watching those streams of light go 42:01 and we're seeing it do that same mission 166 years later. 42:05 Talk to me for just a moment 42:06 and both of you can sort of weigh in on this. 42:09 Given the proliferation of media, 42:12 I mean you got I this, I that, you could tell it in the radio. 42:14 Is print still part of the answer dare I say, 42:18 you know, to getting the word out 42:20 and bringing the flock to it. 42:21 Because we're okay, we're 18-20 million people 42:23 which is a nice number. 42:24 Do you look at how many people are being born 42:26 every second of everyday, 42:27 we're still a little scattered flock. 42:29 So we still need to come together. 42:30 We still need to know what's happening 42:31 on the other side of the country 42:32 or across the world or across the street 42:34 or in the next city. 42:36 Is printed material still part of the answer? 42:39 Well, absolutely. 42:40 In fact, we're just coming out emerging out of a process 42:44 which in the print industry has been challenging 42:48 because of that proliferation of media as you said, 42:51 but more and more it becomes obvious that print is not dead. 42:55 In fact on February 24th there was a front page article 43:00 in the Washington Post, with the title, 43:03 "Millennial still prefer print." 43:05 Wow. Wow. 43:07 And they had all kinds of studies 43:08 to support this assertion. 43:12 One must recognize is that 43:14 when people want to consume news, 43:16 yes, they like to have it online. 43:18 They like to, you know, be able to read it 43:20 on their mobile, on their tablet. 43:22 But when it comes to absorbing and digesting 43:27 and making their own, a contents that will 43:31 build them up as people. 43:34 They like print better. 43:36 So for instance students when it comes to absorbing 43:41 a piece of literature or a textbook, 43:44 they would rather have print than digital. 43:48 And we know from experience because we have conducted 43:51 this experience in with our readers 43:53 that when it comes to reading spiritual content, 43:57 content that will uplift that will nourish the soul, 44:01 they prefer print. 44:02 Fabulous. Well, I love to hear that. 44:03 Yes. Absolutely. 44:05 It's been striking to us because the assumptions 44:07 that we hear in culture around us is that 44:10 you know, book are going to be dead, 44:11 print media is going to be dead. 44:13 What-- of course these same things were said 44:15 whereas each various 44:17 broadcast medium came into existence. 44:20 When radio first came 44:21 it was going to be the death of newspaper. 44:23 Yes. Yes. 44:24 And when television came, 44:25 it was going to be the death of radio. 44:26 And when the internet came, 44:27 it was going to be death of television. 44:29 In reality the market has simply grown larger 44:32 and more segmented. 44:33 And think about your own life, I think about mine. 44:36 I use all of those media almost every day. 44:41 I do them for difference reasons. 44:43 When I sit down to read spiritual content 44:46 I want print in hand. 44:47 I want something that I can markup 44:49 and reflect that and think about. 44:50 Now that's where I was going that I cannot read a book. 44:52 That's why I don't borrow people's book 44:53 because if I'm reading a book, 44:55 I got to have a pen in hand look like, 44:56 look like Hiroshima when I'm finished with it 44:58 because it's gonna have 44:59 all kinds of step markers on it. 45:00 But when it comes to news as he says, 45:01 I want to read it on my smart phone 45:03 or on my iPad or on my laptop. 45:05 That's the way I want to consume 45:06 that kind of information. 45:08 And again this is really realizing that 45:12 what God has got and going, 45:14 He's going to find a way to deliver that's why 45:17 Adventist Review is literally working 45:19 on all of these platforms. 45:21 We are now one of the largest websites 45:24 that the Seventh-day Adventist church produces. 45:26 You go there for late breaking fast 45:29 Adventist news produced right now 45:32 in a way that 200,000 unique persons a month 45:36 come to that site to get that content. 45:38 It's a huge audience. 45:39 Does Carlos still involved with that? 45:40 Carlos is our online editor. 45:42 And in fact Andrew McChesney, our news editor 45:44 has recently come from the Moscow Times 45:47 to give us a really an upgrade to our news operation as well. 45:51 Between all of these people that God's brought us, 45:54 we're watching the ability to work on 45:56 multiple platforms not just print. 45:58 We are so excited for the Adventist Review. 46:00 I used to cut Carlos Medley's hair in the seminary. 46:04 And you can tell him I said. 46:05 I will be glad to do that. 46:07 Don't have nearly as much as it used to years ago 46:09 but what we did so. 46:10 Before our time gets away, 46:11 I want to put up the address roll, 46:13 contact information for you because 46:15 if there is a magazine that you need to subscribe to 46:17 and he has told us so graciously 46:19 that is half the cost of what it used to be. 46:22 Adventist Review is one that keep you in touch, 46:23 it keeps you in tune. 46:25 It keeps you in league dare I say 46:27 with your fellow brothers and sisters. 46:29 Should you want to make contact with the Adventist Review, 46:31 here is the information that you will need. 46:36 If you'd like to subscribe 46:37 to the Adventist Review Magazine, 46:39 then you can write to the Adventist Review 46:41 12501 Old Columbia Pike, 46:45 Silver Spring, Maryland 20904. 46:49 That's the Adventist Review 12501 Old Columbia Pike, 46:54 Silver Spring, Maryland 20904. 46:57 You can call 301-680-6560, 47:01 that's 301-680-6560. 47:05 You can also visit their website each week 47:07 for select articles 47:09 and more at adventistreview.org. 47:12 That's adventistreview.org. 47:15 It's all one word. Contact them today. 47:22 All right, we are back. 47:23 Two things I want to touch on before we go. 47:25 First, Claude, I think I want to take 47:26 what you were gonna talk about 47:28 as far as the dailies at Adventist Review. 47:30 Then I want to talk to you, Bill, little about, 47:32 a little bit about the difference between 47:34 the Review and the Review 47:36 and Herald Publishing, what that is. 47:37 And then of course the church has gone 47:38 through some adjustments 47:39 as far as publishing houses are concern. 47:41 There's a lot of rumor, a lot myth. 47:43 Walk us through that if you will, 47:44 so, Claude, first you. 47:45 Well, you had asked 47:47 how do I get the daily bulletins? 47:49 And the answer is simple. 47:50 Be a subscriber, get a subscription now 47:53 and you will get the eight daily bulletins 47:56 free of charge as a bonus. 47:58 Excellent. 47:59 If you go to the General Conference 48:01 and I highly suggest you do-- 48:02 you can get them, but if you do not, 48:04 then you really want to have this material in your home 48:06 because that would give you an orderly digest 48:09 of what happens each and every day. 48:11 And something that you can hold on to 48:12 and refer back to, maybe take the information 48:14 what I used to do when I came back, 48:15 I would hold what I call it spiritual business meetings 48:18 on Sabbath afternoon 48:19 and we'd walk through every action 48:20 of the General Conference and my church was informed 48:22 so that's the way you can use that 48:24 and use it very well. 48:25 - Perfect. - Yeah. 48:26 Now walk us through some of this stuff 48:28 that we've been hearing as of late? 48:30 There is no doubt that the last year has been 48:32 one of the most tumultuous 48:34 in Adventist publishing in a long time. 48:37 God has brought us through it but there have been 48:38 a lot changes and lot of challenges in that year. 48:42 Review and Herald Publishing Association 48:44 which became the print partner of this magazine 48:47 only five years after it was founded. 48:50 That Review and Herald Publishing Association 48:53 ceased print operations as of last fall. 48:57 And most of the print business for North America 49:00 moved to the Pacific Press in Nampa, Idaho. 49:03 However the Review and Herald Publishing Association 49:05 continues to exist 49:07 as the General Conference brand, 49:09 as the General Conference publisher 49:11 and will be the publisher of record 49:14 for Adventist Review, Adventist World, 49:16 the Adult Bible study guides etcetera going forward. 49:20 So that the publisher still exist 49:22 but the printing operations have located to Pacific Press. 49:25 As far as the press, the stapling, 49:28 the printing that's gone. 49:29 That's gone. 49:30 Now this has come with a lot of challenge 49:33 to many long term faithful employees 49:36 of the Review and Herald, and the General Conference, 49:38 I have to give them enormous credit 49:41 has worked very carefully and compassionately 49:43 to help individuals either relocate 49:46 in a number of cases to work at Pacific Press 49:49 or other media ministries 49:50 or to find situations that help them 49:52 continue to make a living in the area 49:54 where they were in Maryland. 49:55 This process has been challenging 49:58 but God has led us through it 49:59 and we think there's a brighter future 50:01 for Adventist publishing not only in North America 50:03 but world wide as a result of these carefully plan steps. 50:07 So was an attempt to stream on 50:08 because here are some of the things 50:09 that we're hearing that we're hearing that 50:11 this is proof that print is dying. 50:15 In fact the challenge was that 50:17 probably it would be fair to say, 50:19 we had an oversupply of printing capacity 50:22 and an undersupply of content coming forward. 50:26 And frankly a distribution system 50:28 which needed to be reworked 50:30 today many, many individuals buy online. 50:34 They buy from Amazon, the buy from Barnes and Nobles. 50:37 And the outlet system by which many persons 50:40 used to purchase is no longer functioning in the same way. 50:44 The church at every point 50:45 has to find a way to do its mission 50:47 with the technology of the moment. 50:49 Technology is neither sacred nor profane. 50:52 It is in fact just the means to accomplish a mission. 50:55 And God is helping us find the right technology 50:58 and the right means of distribution 51:00 to keep the mission going forward. 51:02 Chances are, C.A., 51:03 in your years of doing evangelism, 51:05 you didn't do it this exactly the same 51:07 when you started as to your last series. 51:10 The tent look different or the building look different 51:12 or the handbills look different. 51:13 And that was exactly the right approach 51:16 because you were adapting the technology, 51:19 the means for to keep the mission alive. 51:22 It's similar thing with printing 51:23 in the church today. 51:25 There is in fact a good future for Adventist print 51:28 and for Adventist publishing. 51:30 If we do it smart, 51:32 if we think carefully about it, 51:33 if we consolidate the capacity and the means 51:37 and I get a chance because I'm involve 51:39 with those boards to help make those decisions 51:42 and help build a solid future for the church and publishing. 51:45 Yeah, well said, from the days when Joshua Himes took 51:47 William Miller out of the small towns 51:49 and used the extent media at that time. 51:52 You always try to do this, 51:53 so this is really just in that trajectory. 51:54 Exactly. 51:55 Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. 51:58 We're gonna go to our news break now, 51:59 then we're gonna come back and sort of put a little bow 52:01 on this and wrap this up. 52:02 This has been a good time together. 52:03 We'll be back in just three minutes. |
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