I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C. A. Murray
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and allow me please
to thank you once again
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for sharing just a
little of your day with us
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and to thank you for
your support of this ministry,
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for assisting us in
what we are called to do
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and that is to
lift up the mighty
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and matchless name of Jesus.
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And I am very, very excited
today to introduce to you
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on our today's show
two very fine people.
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Sometimes you meet people,
you kind of like them right off
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and good looking couple,
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they've got three
beautiful children
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who are in our
control room even as we speak.
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But this is Doug
and Brandi Jenkins.
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Good to have you here. Yeah.
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They are
currently from Tennessee.
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Yes.
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Or Tennessee, feeling that
for you want to pronounce it
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but they are from Tennessee--
what-- what is the town?
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Rogersville.
Rogersville, which is where?
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It's about an
hour from Knoxville.
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About an hour from Knoxville.
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Okay, so they
have come a little ways
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to be with us today
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and they really have
a powerful testimony.
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Personal story and
certain aspects of it
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seemed almost miraculous
but it shows what God will do
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and the lengths He will
go to bring men and women
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who are seeking truth
to bring truth to them
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and they got quite a journey
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and we are very, very
happy to bring it to you.
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So we are gonna unpack
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their story in
just a little bit.
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But before I go to my
special music which is coming
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from our buddy Wintley Phipps,
I want to get a little history
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from you guys because, Doug,
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did you tell me
you're from Virginia?
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Yes I was born in and
raised in Northern Virginia.
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Christian home?
No, not Christian home.
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I was actually raised in a home
where witchcraft was practiced
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and the only light I
had in my life was really,
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my grandfather, he
would come and take us
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to the church and--
but when we left church
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and when I went back
home, the church stopped.
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The only prayer I knew was
"now let me down to sleep."
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And nobody even
really pushed to point to say
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you've been you
know, your bed time prayer
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and basically,
yeah, that was a dark,
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dark situation but the
light was still shining.
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Oh, praise the Lord.
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How old were you when
you became aware Dough,
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that witchcraft
is being practiced?
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Well, it was just-- they
would call it mountain lord
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or mountain way
you know, you know,
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we lived back in the mountains
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but, you know, when I--
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it was obviously
in my teenage years
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when I really figured
out what was going on.
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What was going on. Yeah. Yeah.
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Was this by one
parent, both parents?
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Well, actually we lived on
big huge piece of property.
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My grandfather owned the
land and all his children,
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my dad and then my
uncle and my aunt that is,
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all his children we
all lived there on that
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one big piece of property.
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Yeah, I see.
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So my grandmother, a
lot people would come in
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out of her house and
she was reading cards
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and things like that.
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We found a Ouija board once
and we thought it was a game.
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We just gonna play it
and they took it from us,
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you know, so yeah, I
mean, but they would come in
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and they would
have these little boxes
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and they'll be all
taped up and they'd say now,
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they'd have us dig a
hole first as playing
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then they were gonna us
take that box and bury it
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and don't look in
it, don't touch it,
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no never dig it back up.
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And we didn't
know what he was doing,
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we thought he was burying
dead bird 'cause you know,
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they had birds and we
had animals and we thought
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he was burying
animals but come to find out
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the truth of the deal, he
was actually doing bad things
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and when my grandfather
found out he had a fear.
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He throw it all this stuff
out but it would seek back in.
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And yeah, that's why when I
go back to visit that land today
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with my children, I
tell them not to dig,
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not to touch anything, you know,
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show that's your
Christ and be a light
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and yeah, as it's-- they know.
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So that is still the
family property to this day?
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Yes, and it's like--
well, I've had a lot of people
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in our family,
they've committed suicide
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and I have lot is incarcerated,
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just a lot of
darkness, a lot of darkness.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I can see why you
prohibit the children
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from digging
stuff up 'cause you know
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what you're digging up.
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That's right. Yes,
so leave the dead alone.
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That's right. Kind of thing.
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But you grandfather,
the owner of the land
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was at least had
some Christian leanings.
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Yeah, he was Baptist.
Okay, praise the Lord.
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Praise the Lord.
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Yes, he would come and knock
on the door Sunday morning,
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"Is everybody up, everybody
wanting to go the church?"
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And my mom would if-- you
know, she would get us ready,
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we'd go and we would
come back and like I said,
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when we come
back home, it stopped.
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It stopped. Yeah.
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It stopped because
my grandfather was busy.
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I remembered once, I had
a Bible verse to memorize
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and I did not do it
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and when we went to
church we came back.
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He said "Now Dougy" He said
"The mind is a battle field."
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He said it "And when the
devil puts temptation in there"
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he said, " If you don't
have God's word to help--
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help you get through
it," he said "you will fall "
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he said "'cause the temptation
will fall to the eyes,
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it will start
looking good to you" he said,
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"then it's gonna
fall down to your heart,
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then your heart's gonna desire,
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it's gonna fall down
to your hands and feet
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and then you're gonna
put it in the action."
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Well, said. He was a
spiritual bright guy.
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And I never had
forgotten the verse you know,
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that it took me
a while to remember
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that little card that we had.
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They used to give little
cards out in Sunday school.
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And when the verse
as well as my children
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we thought it to our
children, I Thessalonians 5:22.
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"Abstain from all
appearance of evil."
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Yes and I mean that
has really stuck with me.
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Praise God.
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Yeah, so even in that darkness,
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as you well said God did have
that one little ray of light,
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your grandfather tried to
do what he could to keep Christ
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at least present in the
home and His name mentioned.
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Yes. Yeah, praise God.
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Brandi, from where?
I'm also from Virginia.
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I was born in
Versailles, Tennessee but as--
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as a baby we moved
to Southwest Virginia
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and done all my
schooling in Coeburn
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and graduated
from Coeburn, Virginia.
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My mother always
took us to church.
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She's-- she's a preacher's kid.
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So she's always had us in church
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and she is a very
hard working lady.
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She worked a lot.
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Sometimes two
jobs, so was very busy
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and so church was at church
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and I knew it
from a very young age
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that I wanted to
give Jesus my life
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and at nine years
old I was baptized
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and I gave my life to
Jesus and but as I got older
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and in my teenage years,
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I kind of
wanted to do it my way.
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Yeah, we call it
wilderness years.
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Yeah-- yeah, so I
kind of went my own way.
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I still loved
Jesus though you know,
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I was just doing
what I wanted to do
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and how I wanted to do
it, when I wanted to do it.
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And when Doug and I met...
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we were just friends. I
wasn't looking for marriage.
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I wasn't looking for
really-- I didn't feel the need
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for a mate at
that time in my life
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but we became
best of friends and--
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How did you meet?
Where did you meet?
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I worked at Pizza
Hut and he would come in.
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I guess he got a
little hungry sometimes.
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So the first time he seen
me I was at the salad bar so--
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We actually met
over salad so it's nice.
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You look nice and healthy, yeah.
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And we just enjoyed
each other's company
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and done a lot
of things together,
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a lot of outdoor things.
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We like being outdoors
and we just fell in love
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and got married
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and we were still
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doing things our way, you know.
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God was not the
focus of our relationship.
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So at that point, you
are only children yet.
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Are you going to church
at all or you just kind of--
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No. No. Yeah, okay.
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I mean, I still love
Jesus, you know, but no,
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I wasn't practicing
I guess you would say.
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But the moment for
me-- we had been married,
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I guess over a year,
year and a half maybe.
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Almost two years,
not quite two years,
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our son, our first
son was born, William.
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And the moment that I'd seen him
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when he was
born, something in me,
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I didn't feel it
when I was pregnant
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or any thing like that
but the moment I seen him
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when he was born,
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I knew I wanted him to
know the name of Jesus.
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I wanted him to
hear the name of Jesus
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every day of his life.
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Yes-- yes.
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And from that
moment I think that's what
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really helped, the turn around.
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Yeah, that happens
to a lot of parents.
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They want you to
have a child, you'll say,
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"I don't want this child
to grow up Godless, you know.
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I don't want him to have
that knocks that come with that.
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So we got to be-- if
he's gonna be changed,
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we got to make some changes."
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Absolutely. Yeah-- yeah.
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So did Doug feel
that or experienced that?
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Did he resist that?
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Because obviously you
broke the subject with him.
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How did he respond?
Well, I tell you the truth.
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We-- was doing
things our own way
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and I had been
previously married
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and when I was going
with-- to the Baptist church
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with my
grandfather and but you know,
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my wife did not go
and we got divorced.
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But when we got divorced,
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some people looked at
that as the ultimate sin.
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And when we got divorced,
I was devastated you know,
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because someone from
the church came to me
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and they were tell me how
wrong I was to let that happen.
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It was my fault and
I just got discouraged,
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I didn't go to church.
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But the main thing
when I didn't go to church,
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nobody came.
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Our pastor didn't
come to see where I was,
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nobody called
and I was like whoa,
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"Is church like what
my family is telling me?"
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You know, "this is all they
want is your tithe you know,
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and that's it?"
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That's it.
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"Is it a money
thing, what is it?"
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And I got so discouraged,
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I just I drew
back to that darkness.
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I did.
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I went selfish ways before
I met Brandi, I got tattoos,
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I was doing drugs and
alcohol, I had a tattoo
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specially placed on my arm
where if I did needle marks
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you wouldn't see it and I mean,
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but then when I met Brandi,
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we had William, we
realized that in Proverbs 22:6
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"Train up a child
in the way he should go
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and when he is older, he
will not depart from it."
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Well, we got responsibility.
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Yeah, God changes everything
and it's not you anymore,
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sun doesn't rise and set on you.
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Brandi, were you
aware of his history,
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that you know his
kind of background
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before you got married?
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Some. Yes. Yeah.
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But you got married anyway
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now you got this
bouncing baby boy
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and you got to
make some changes.
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Yes, sir. Amen.
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I think I want to hold there.
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We'll go to our
music and come back
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and we want to
finish this story.
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Our special
music today is coming
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from a great personal friend
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and a friend of this
ministry, one who was sang
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for over the last
three of four presidents
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and sung all over
the world and television.
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His name is Wintley Phipps.
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That is a very,
very familiar name.
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We went to college
together, grad school together
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and kept up all these years
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but he's gonna be
singing a beautiful song
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"Tell Me the Story of Jesus."
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Tell me the story of Jesus
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Write on my heart every word
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Tell me the story most precious
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Sweetest that ever was heard
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Tell how the angels in chorus
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Sang as they welcomed His birth
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Glory to God in the highest
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Peace and good tidings to earth
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Tell me the story of Jesus
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Write on my heart every word
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Tell me the story most precious
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Sweetest that ever was heard
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Tell of the cross
where they nailed Him
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Writhing in anguish and pain
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Tell of the grave
where they laid Him
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Tell how He liveth again
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Love in that story so tender
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Clearer than ever I see
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Stay, let me
weep while you whisper
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Love paid the ransom for me
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Tell me the story of Jesus
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Write on my heart every word
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Tell me the story most precious
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Sweetest that ever
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Was heard
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And well done, Wintley Phipps.
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"Tell Me the Story of Jesus."
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My guests are
Brandi and Doug Jenkins,
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they are of
Rogersville, Tennessee.
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When we left lord
lady, you got married
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and your first born was here
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and his arrival really put in
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both of your hearts and minds
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that you had to make
some changes in your life.
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So now you are
convicted that you want your son
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to grow up with
the name of Jesus
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certainly in his
head and in his heart
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if all possible,
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what did you do
to make that happen?
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Well, my wife,
she-- she started out
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by reading with him
you know, the Word of God,
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explaining
children's stories to him,
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praying with him at night
and while she was doing that,
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I was still kind of
reluctant to do that.
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I was kind of
staying back from it
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because I was all
right going to church,
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Christmas and Easter
with my mother-in-law--
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Yeah, sort of holiday--
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That's what she was
going, and mother's day
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that was her gift but yeah,
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as William got older
and I mean, this took time,
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he would come to my
chair when I would be
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watching television, "Daddy,
will you take me to church?
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Daddy, will you
take me to church?"
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Yeah, yeah,
we'll do that one day.
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We'll do that
one day and finally
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"Daddy, will take me to church?"
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And I could see he
really wanted to go to church.
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Now I got to-- ask you
Doug, had he been to church
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and wanted to go back to church
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or just he
wanted the experience?
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Well, we he had
went with her mother
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on special occasions.
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I'll put it that
way on holiday. Okay.
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He would get so
irritated because he knew
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as mother's day
would come around
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he'd say, "I know
what she's gonna want."
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Got to go. Yeah.
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Can't we just buy her something?
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Let's just go buy her
some flowers or get her a gift.
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He'd said "the only
thing she wants us is
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to go to church with her."
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Yeah, that's her
mother's day gift.
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Doug, was it
resentment? It was resentment.
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You know, from what
you-- they kind of just
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let you slide away and nobody
ever came looking for you.
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That's it. It was resentment.
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I was having pity party
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and I was living
in it for years--
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for years.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah and yet something has
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was stirring in your
son's heart early on.
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You know, the spirit
was to kind of push it
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and go to church.
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Brandi?
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Every night, when we would read,
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even though we weren't in
church I would pray with him.
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So as a young child,
two, three, four years old,
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he had a little prayer
life and he would talk to Jesus
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even if I wasn't always
there with him by his bed.
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So he developed a
prayer life very early
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and so I think that
helped develop into him
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asking Doug "let's go, daddy."
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Yeah, yeah.
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Now I'm not the
prophet nor the son of them
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but you may have a
budding preacher on your hands.
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Actually he preaches his
first Sermon this Sabbath.
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Is that so? Yes.
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Praise God. Praise God.
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That must be so
exciting for you guys?
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Yes.
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So he's pushing
and you're nurturing,
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you're nurturing and obviously,
you can see the resistance,
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how did the walls
begin to break down?
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I was diagnosed
with a brain disease
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Chiari malformation.
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That's where the
brain is growing.
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It won't quit growing.
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It keeps growing
little by little.
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It's out of the skull now
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and it's entered
the spinal canal.
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I've seen surgeons and a
whole bunch of neurologists
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and the surgeon I
seen from Charlottesville,
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he gave me a death date of 2005.
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He said, if this
don't stop growing he said
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the brain will keep
growing out and it will compress
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against the brain
stem and it'll be fatal.
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It's out so far we
cannot do brain surgery
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knowing where brain swelling
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from the surgery would be fatal,
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it would compress
against the brain stem.
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Man, that was a eye
opener and I started
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listening to all these
things the doctors were saying
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and at this time I
knew who I had to turn to.
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I was working at the
water treatment plant.
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I said everybody needs
water, I'll always have a job
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you know, this-- I'm in
control but when that happened
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Doug wasn't in control.
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I had to turn to Jesus.
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I had to turn to
Jesus and I knew it.
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I was still resentful.
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I didn't want to 'cause
I was leaning on that cane
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that the doctors had gave me
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but when I made that decision
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I started to
leaning on the Word of God
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and put that cane in the corner.
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I mean, you can see on the MRI
that it's a really small space
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and I've learned this praying
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thank God
everyday for small spaces.
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The small places. Yeah.
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Yes, sir, yes, sir, and
He-- it's just the long,
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long time going now, 15 years
and the Lord just continues
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to add life to my
days and to my years.
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Praise God.
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And it's just--
it's just amazing.
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I mean, they
told me in about 2005
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I wouldn't have
mobility in my arms
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and my legs
because of my spinal cord
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and the disk I've got herniated
and ruptured in my neck
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but you know, it's
by the grace of God
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that I receive
from Him every day.
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Praise God.
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And His healing touched,
that He gives me the strength
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and the ability
to go and go and go
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and that's my prayer now,
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"Lord, take me,
use me as Your servant.
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I just want to
be a tool for you,
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use me as a tool but how can
I don't want to feel any gap,
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Your kingdom that
needs to be filled."
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Yes. Yes.
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Doug, there-- it occurs
to me, there are two ways
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you can take news like
that when you're resentful.
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One, Lord, what are You doing?
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You know, or Lord, I
gave up I have no place to go.
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You can accept it
and glorify His name
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or you can get angry at Him.
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Obviously you chose to accept it
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and use what He has
given it to glorify Him.
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Brandi, did you
see a change in him
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and how did it occur to you
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that something as going on
his life after this diagnosis?
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I think in the
beginning, from my point of view
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there was a bit
of resentment there
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because he kind of resisted.
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He tried to self
medicate for a while,
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he didn't get the
news and then immediately
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give it to Jesus.
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I understand.
That didn't happen.
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The way we lived it
was of self medicate.
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He can save it. He can save it.
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Yeah, I got
this, I can handle it.
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Yeah, we will take
care of ourselves, yeah.
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Yeah, you kind of, you know,
lean on what the doctors say
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and do everything they say
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and which I'm
not against doctors
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you know, I mean,
they do wonderful work
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but he was self
medicating and it didn't work.
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It just didn't
work and after a while,
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I guess it was couple of years,
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he-- he resisted and then--
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It was actually
tearing us apart.
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Yeah. Self medication, pills.
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It got really bad. It got bad.
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You know, and we had a
small, we had two small children
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'cause we had our daughter.
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You know, after that and I
knew we can't live that way.
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We couldn't continue
that way as a family you know,
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and function and you
know, why is daddy doing this?
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And then trying to show
them the way Jesus wants them
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to live you know,
it's just two worlds
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in the same household.
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Now, let's fresh that out
a little bit Doug and Brandi,
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because, you-- were
you home schooling then?
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No, 'cause they were so small.
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They were so small.
All ready, all ready.
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But now, we're
talking about self medi-care.
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Are we talking about
drugs and illegal stuff
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or just abusing--
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Just prescription
drugs. Just prescription stuff.
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Okay. Okay.
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So you just
doing it on your own,
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just taking what you can?
00:25:13.39\00:25:14.55
Yeah.
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Some of these doctors
that-- if you go and tell them
00:25:15.71\00:25:18.46
more or less your
symptoms for what you want,
00:25:18.49\00:25:20.44
and they'll give
you what you want.
00:25:20.47\00:25:21.50
They'll give you what you want.
00:25:21.53\00:25:22.69
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:22.72\00:25:24.03
Yeah, so you are seeing
him kind of medicating himself
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or really destroying yourself.
00:25:26.41\00:25:27.69
Well, my
opinion over medicating.
00:25:27.72\00:25:30.39
I believe in
medicine, I do but sometimes I--
00:25:30.42\00:25:34.36
I feel like some doctors
enable an over medication
00:25:34.39\00:25:39.56
when it's not necessary.
00:25:39.59\00:25:40.89
I see.
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Were you able to hold a job,
00:25:42.02\00:25:43.05
were you still
working and functioning?
00:25:43.08\00:25:44.43
They put me off work. They did.
00:25:44.46\00:25:47.01
These doctors put me off work
00:25:47.04\00:25:48.26
because they told me I
had five years to live.
00:25:48.29\00:25:50.91
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:50.94\00:25:53.21
That was
devastating and I did have that
00:25:53.24\00:25:55.47
like you said "what
was happening to me?"
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You know, but and it
was-- it was resentment
00:25:57.46\00:26:01.53
for two or three years
there and I was bitter.
00:26:01.56\00:26:05.27
I was bitter towards
God, I started getting
00:26:05.30\00:26:06.92
bitter towards my family,
00:26:06.95\00:26:08.64
I would get bitter towards
William when he would come
00:26:08.67\00:26:10.69
and wanted me to go to
church and I was a mean man.
00:26:10.72\00:26:15.02
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:15.05\00:26:16.08
So you got a lot
of stuff built up.
00:26:16.11\00:26:17.27
I mean, you got a lot
of nurture going here.
00:26:17.30\00:26:18.80
William's bugging
you to go to church
00:26:18.83\00:26:20.35
and you kind of like I'm mad
00:26:20.38\00:26:22.13
and I'm stewing in
this madness you know,
00:26:22.16\00:26:24.03
I'm here boiling in this thing.
I got this "death sentence"
00:26:24.06\00:26:28.92
and he wants me to go to church?
00:26:28.95\00:26:30.82
I'm feeling that you
know, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:30.85\00:26:34.26
But the break through came how?
00:26:34.29\00:26:37.49
The break through
came with William keep--
00:26:37.52\00:26:39.18
he being persistent.
00:26:39.21\00:26:40.25
Just through laying on it.
00:26:40.28\00:26:41.41
He kept being persistent
just like the blind man
00:26:41.44\00:26:43.18
when he was holding, you know,
00:26:43.21\00:26:45.40
"The son of
David, have mercy on me."
00:26:45.43\00:26:47.21
And everybody's
trying to hush him up.
00:26:47.24\00:26:48.96
William kept
going and finally I said
00:26:48.99\00:26:51.82
"Okay, I'm taking you
to church this Sunday."
00:26:51.85\00:26:54.83
And we went to a
Sunday church with her mother
00:26:54.86\00:26:56.89
and the words started
coming from the pulpit,
00:26:56.92\00:27:02.36
the word that I
had heard before,
00:27:02.39\00:27:04.83
the Word of God and the promises
00:27:04.86\00:27:07.39
and I knew those--
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those were
promises you can stand on.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And it took not but
just one time going to church
00:27:11.86\00:27:15.55
but several
times going to church
00:27:15.58\00:27:17.94
and finally I felt
myself in my living room floor
00:27:17.97\00:27:20.79
just-- just as a
flight on my face
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I mean just "Lord,
take off this from me,
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make me a better man,
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make me what You want me to be.
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Please restore my
marriage, please restore my home
00:27:29.32\00:27:33.03
because I'm destroyed."
00:27:33.06\00:27:34.28
Yeah. Were you
thinking about walking, Brandi?
00:27:34.31\00:27:36.62
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:36.65\00:27:38.44
So it was pretty bad? It was.
00:27:38.47\00:27:40.28
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:40.31\00:27:41.45
Yeah. It was not
a good situation.
00:27:41.48\00:27:44.75
When he went to church
what was your response?
00:27:44.78\00:27:50.16
How did that affect you?
00:27:50.19\00:27:54.09
I was happy that he
went but I think the moment
00:27:54.12\00:28:00.39
was at home when I'd seen
it, I knew God had his heart.
00:28:00.42\00:28:05.29
He, I could see
00:28:05.32\00:28:09.46
and he actually I
think he led him to a song
00:28:09.49\00:28:12.96
and when I came home
00:28:12.99\00:28:14.14
I had taken the
children to school
00:28:14.17\00:28:15.94
and when I came home
he was listening to that
00:28:15.97\00:28:17.71
and the realization like--
00:28:17.74\00:28:23.60
It kind of hit you right away
00:28:23.63\00:28:25.55
that something
had happened to him?
00:28:25.58\00:28:26.91
Was it kind of obvious? Yeah.
00:28:26.94\00:28:28.26
Yeah. Yeah.
Praise God. Praise God.
00:28:28.29\00:28:31.16
I was very
thankful. Very thankful.
00:28:31.19\00:28:34.86
Now you had the
two at the one time
00:28:34.89\00:28:36.82
and Elijah was
not-- was not here yet?
00:28:36.85\00:28:38.76
No. At that point.
00:28:38.79\00:28:40.28
Yeah, now I need
to hear because you--
00:28:40.31\00:28:42.21
the punch line
is you've only been
00:28:42.24\00:28:43.81
Adventist for few years
so there was a growth pattern
00:28:43.84\00:28:47.08
and we need to get to that
00:28:47.11\00:28:48.14
because that's a
really cool story.
00:28:48.17\00:28:50.47
So you made this
change, she sees the change,
00:28:50.50\00:28:52.81
is the marriage healing?
00:28:52.84\00:28:53.94
Are things getting
better? It is. It is.
00:28:53.97\00:28:58.12
The period of time it took.
00:28:58.15\00:28:59.75
Yeah, and this is not
like a light switch off and on.
00:28:59.78\00:29:02.64
Things got to kind of
grow back because they--
00:29:02.67\00:29:04.38
they fell apart slowly,
they grow back together slowly.
00:29:04.41\00:29:06.57
Exactly.
00:29:06.60\00:29:07.67
Yeah, but he did
make some changes.
00:29:07.70\00:29:09.26
Yes.
00:29:09.29\00:29:10.32
And you could see those changes.
00:29:10.35\00:29:11.40
Yes. So we praise God for that.
00:29:11.43\00:29:14.06
And when that
happened we both dumped in
00:29:14.09\00:29:19.57
feet first whole-heartedly
00:29:19.60\00:29:21.75
and we prayed
for about two weeks
00:29:21.78\00:29:27.20
for the Lord to
send us to the church
00:29:27.23\00:29:29.53
that He wanted us to go to.
00:29:29.56\00:29:31.41
Not the church that our
friends wanted us to go to
00:29:31.44\00:29:35.74
or family wanted us to go to.
00:29:35.77\00:29:37.11
We wanted to be where
the Lord wanted us to be
00:29:37.14\00:29:40.51
and there is no doubt
He planted us and it was--
00:29:40.54\00:29:44.58
it was a
Missionary Baptist Church.
00:29:44.61\00:29:47.36
It was about 20
miles from our house.
00:29:47.39\00:29:49.57
So we had quite a
drive but it is where
00:29:49.60\00:29:54.58
He wanted us to
be at that season.
00:29:54.61\00:29:56.47
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:56.50\00:29:57.82
Because we grew so
much because we were so--
00:29:57.85\00:30:02.42
we had no maturity spiritually
and I feel we both grew.
00:30:02.45\00:30:08.75
And I think
sometimes the Lord does that.
00:30:08.78\00:30:10.15
He doesn't send you
right to the ultimate.
00:30:10.18\00:30:12.28
There are stages and
at that point in your life
00:30:12.31\00:30:14.45
may be you weren't
ready for this whole new thing
00:30:14.48\00:30:16.77
but He gives you
what you're ready for.
00:30:16.80\00:30:18.55
You both got Baptist background
00:30:18.58\00:30:20.01
so that's where you--
that's where you land.
00:30:20.04\00:30:23.04
At that point you don't
know that you're on a train
00:30:23.07\00:30:25.64
going some place you know,
you'll figure you've arrived
00:30:25.67\00:30:28.39
but later on you'd find
out, oh, no, this is not,
00:30:28.42\00:30:30.14
this is just a stop.
00:30:30.17\00:30:31.43
We're going someplace else.
00:30:31.46\00:30:32.82
So you were in that-- in
that church for how long?
00:30:32.85\00:30:35.94
About three years.
00:30:35.97\00:30:37.85
But yeah, we were on
the train and Satan starts
00:30:37.88\00:30:43.68
throwing things at the
train, you know, so you know,
00:30:43.71\00:30:48.28
our marriage is
building stronger
00:30:48.31\00:30:50.84
on the Word of God, you know.
00:30:50.87\00:30:54.27
God was the
centre core, the bond
00:30:54.30\00:30:57.86
that held our marriage together
and just out of the blue,
00:30:57.89\00:31:02.27
Satan starts throwing things
and we're kind of taken back
00:31:02.30\00:31:07.02
like whoa, what just happened.
00:31:07.05\00:31:10.14
What's happening?
00:31:10.17\00:31:11.22
You said
Satan's throwing things.
00:31:11.25\00:31:12.92
We had started a youth
group there at the church
00:31:12.95\00:31:17.09
and there were
some teenagers there
00:31:17.12\00:31:18.30
and they didn't
have anything you know,
00:31:18.33\00:31:20.06
and so we felt
that you know just moved
00:31:20.09\00:31:22.78
by the spirit that we should
do something for these kids
00:31:22.81\00:31:25.35
so we started a youth group.
00:31:25.38\00:31:27.06
And when we started
working with the kids you know,
00:31:27.09\00:31:29.09
at first we had one or two come
00:31:29.12\00:31:31.62
and then it grew to around eight
00:31:31.65\00:31:33.52
and then ten and then
other people were in the church
00:31:33.55\00:31:36.97
wanted to be a
part and I mean from--
00:31:37.00\00:31:40.52
in the pew a lady
starts working with us
00:31:40.55\00:31:44.38
and she-- she
tried to become a wedge
00:31:44.41\00:31:48.47
between me and
Brandi and I was, you know,
00:31:48.50\00:31:52.27
how can this
happen in the church?
00:31:52.30\00:31:53.73
You know, here I go again,
00:31:53.76\00:31:55.22
there were stoning something
at me to have resentment.
00:31:55.25\00:31:58.30
He knows those
seeds of filth you know,
00:31:58.33\00:32:00.26
they are back at
that you remember.
00:32:00.29\00:32:01.39
Yeah. So what did do?
00:32:01.42\00:32:02.45
I had a meeting with the pastor,
00:32:02.48\00:32:03.77
"We're leaving."
00:32:03.80\00:32:05.05
And he said "Why
are you leaving?"
00:32:05.08\00:32:06.28
And I said "I don't
want to get into that
00:32:06.31\00:32:08.16
but I'm talking me and my
family and we're leaving."
00:32:08.19\00:32:10.86
Well, she thought that I
was going back to darkness
00:32:10.89\00:32:14.04
you know, she
thought I was done.
00:32:14.07\00:32:16.26
But what I did, I went
home, we prayed again "Lord,
00:32:16.29\00:32:19.38
send us where You want us
to go that need a place for us.
00:32:19.41\00:32:22.92
Lord, Satan is trying to get
me back to where I came from,
00:32:22.95\00:32:26.05
you know, where I was at.
00:32:26.08\00:32:27.51
I don't want to go back
there. Please continue to work."
00:32:27.54\00:32:30.50
We started
praying for the truth.
00:32:30.53\00:32:32.59
Things stared happening.
00:32:32.62\00:32:33.87
He started working with
her about home schooling.
00:32:33.90\00:32:37.00
Yeah, and then we
stared home schooling.
00:32:37.03\00:32:40.10
And when she started--
00:32:40.13\00:32:42.39
once we made a
decision to home school,
00:32:42.42\00:32:44.84
then all of a sudden
I had some blood work
00:32:44.87\00:32:47.50
come back really bad I mean,
00:32:47.53\00:32:49.22
that I needed to go on a
diet as I was over 300 pounds.
00:32:49.25\00:32:51.65
Oh, my soul!
00:32:51.68\00:32:52.79
Yes sir, and blood work
was just horrible so the meats
00:32:52.82\00:32:57.97
and the grains and I mean
not the meat but in the grains,
00:32:58.00\00:33:01.50
just the meat, the
sugar and things like that
00:33:01.53\00:33:04.16
they was out which
I really didn't like.
00:33:04.19\00:33:07.36
Because
vegetables, nuts and grains
00:33:07.39\00:33:09.73
and I'm like blow it away.
00:33:09.76\00:33:12.26
And it's like how can a
man-- man can't survive on that.
00:33:12.29\00:33:14.53
So you had to do a
radical diet change.
00:33:14.56\00:33:16.48
'Cause you're how tall?
May be 5.5", I don't know.
00:33:16.51\00:33:20.19
Yeah, okay, at 300
pounds that's carrying
00:33:20.22\00:33:23.27
an awful lot of
weight for that frame.
00:33:23.30\00:33:25.18
Yes.
00:33:25.21\00:33:26.35
Yeah, yeah, so the meat
and the sugar got to go.
00:33:26.38\00:33:28.22
God started.
00:33:28.25\00:33:29.28
He started with the home school,
00:33:29.31\00:33:30.39
He started with our diet
and then the home schooling
00:33:30.42\00:33:33.61
that she was
doing, it has Bible course
00:33:33.64\00:33:36.88
and then in the Bible course
00:33:36.91\00:33:38.96
that's where we
started getting hooked
00:33:38.99\00:33:40.42
on the Ten Commandments.
00:33:40.45\00:33:42.22
And it was so in
depth, we have family worship
00:33:42.25\00:33:45.07
every night at seven you know,
get around the coffee table
00:33:45.10\00:33:48.42
in the living room and we
have Bible study more or less
00:33:48.45\00:33:51.73
and we were studying
the Ten Commandments.
00:33:51.76\00:33:53.86
Now, were you leading
all of this or was Brandi?
00:33:53.89\00:33:56.27
She was teaching the
children. Okay. Okay.
00:33:56.30\00:34:00.09
Yeah and we started
learning things about you know,
00:34:00.12\00:34:04.46
the Ten Commandments and then
we had a field day you know,
00:34:04.49\00:34:09.10
she called it was
gonna go out and to see
00:34:09.13\00:34:11.67
what God has stored
for the kids in nature
00:34:11.70\00:34:14.12
and see how we can
see God in nature and we--
00:34:14.15\00:34:17.83
she planned us a big
picnic and we went out
00:34:17.86\00:34:21.19
to around Smoky
mountains, that the chimneys,
00:34:21.22\00:34:25.26
they called it the
Chimneys picnic area.
00:34:25.29\00:34:27.41
We started having a picnic
00:34:27.44\00:34:29.22
and just having a wonderful day
00:34:29.25\00:34:31.37
it just made the comment,
this can't get any better
00:34:31.40\00:34:34.38
or beautiful way than
everything we was experiencing,
00:34:34.41\00:34:38.38
the kids having a ball
and then when we came back
00:34:38.41\00:34:41.51
going home was
going through Pigeon Forge
00:34:41.54\00:34:44.67
and she sees a used book store.
00:34:44.70\00:34:47.58
Used book store
and I was in traffic
00:34:47.61\00:34:49.89
and I couldn't
get over to pull in.
00:34:49.92\00:34:52.51
"I want to that used
book store like that"
00:34:52.54\00:34:54.92
and I'm like well,
I've got to turn around
00:34:54.95\00:34:57.81
and man don't
want to do turn around.
00:34:57.84\00:34:59.58
No, sir.
00:34:59.61\00:35:00.89
No, we go
forward, we never go back.
00:35:00.92\00:35:02.92
So I had to go down and
turn around, go back up,
00:35:02.95\00:35:06.72
turn around again,
come back to that store.
00:35:06.75\00:35:08.45
When we went in
it was really nice,
00:35:08.48\00:35:11.52
all books in the
shelves and they had DVDs
00:35:11.55\00:35:14.56
and all these things
and then they had a big sign
00:35:14.59\00:35:17.53
with the arrow
pointing down stairs
00:35:17.56\00:35:19.25
said bargain basement.
00:35:19.28\00:35:21.25
So here I am with the lodge in.
00:35:21.28\00:35:23.87
William and Hailey they are
back in before we know they are
00:35:23.90\00:35:25.96
and I was like I
do not want to be here
00:35:25.99\00:35:28.15
and but she was going
to the Bargain basement
00:35:28.18\00:35:30.62
and we went down
and there was boxes,
00:35:30.65\00:35:33.15
just boxes and boxes and boxes,
00:35:33.18\00:35:35.16
books just dumped in there.
00:35:35.19\00:35:36.97
And Brandi, she said
00:35:37.00\00:35:38.04
"Well, I can't
look through that,
00:35:38.07\00:35:39.93
let's go, the kids are
acting up and everything
00:35:39.96\00:35:42.32
and I turned
around, I was going back up
00:35:42.35\00:35:44.68
and I was trying
to straighten wheel
00:35:44.71\00:35:45.84
and Hailey out
because I was hearing William,
00:35:45.87\00:35:47.80
"Hailey!" and Hailey "William!"
00:35:47.83\00:35:49.74
and come on you two, slow down.
00:35:49.77\00:35:52.55
He laughs squirming
around I was talking to her
00:35:52.58\00:35:54.87
and I look back
my wife was gone.
00:35:54.90\00:35:57.67
She was all with
that digging through a box
00:35:57.70\00:36:00.31
and there she was
digging through a box,
00:36:00.34\00:36:01.92
she found a very special book
00:36:01.95\00:36:04.09
and that book we
brought it with us today
00:36:04.12\00:36:07.52
is this color blue
actually caught her eyes
00:36:07.55\00:36:10.26
out of those books in that
box and when she dug it out
00:36:10.29\00:36:13.42
it was "Bible
Readings for the Home"
00:36:13.45\00:36:16.06
and we bought it
and we was going home
00:36:16.09\00:36:18.90
and I was driving and
she was going through it.
00:36:18.93\00:36:21.32
She said "This is
what we we're having
00:36:21.35\00:36:22.64
our family
worship with tonight."
00:36:22.67\00:36:24.17
So we go home and
we had family worship
00:36:24.20\00:36:26.00
with section of the God's law.
00:36:26.03\00:36:28.24
So you just impressed just
00:36:28.27\00:36:29.30
let's get into
this particular book?
00:36:29.33\00:36:30.93
Yeah.
00:36:30.96\00:36:32.69
I had an hour to
look at it on the way home
00:36:32.72\00:36:34.87
and I was everything
I was reading I was like
00:36:34.90\00:36:37.46
"This book is awesome"
especially the formats.
00:36:37.49\00:36:40.98
The question answer formats
were really easy to understand.
00:36:41.01\00:36:43.81
Yeah.
00:36:43.84\00:36:46.03
Yeah, it was meant to
be sort of a reference book
00:36:46.06\00:36:48.33
but there are
some people who read it
00:36:48.36\00:36:50.12
cover to cover
almost like a story book.
00:36:50.15\00:36:52.23
It's meant to,
you have a question
00:36:52.26\00:36:54.14
and you go and
you find that issue
00:36:54.17\00:36:55.46
and then you
just do the question
00:36:55.49\00:36:56.52
and answer kind of
thing but there are those
00:36:56.55\00:36:58.00
who just read through
and it is well written--
00:36:58.03\00:37:00.35
well written book so kind
of grabbed you right away.
00:37:00.38\00:37:02.59
Absolutely, but yeah,
00:37:02.62\00:37:03.82
we didn't start
at the beginning.
00:37:03.85\00:37:05.67
We went directly to section 8.
00:37:05.70\00:37:08.60
It was part of 8,
The Law. The Law, yeah.
00:37:08.63\00:37:12.45
And then when we went through,
it brought us to the Sabbath.
00:37:12.48\00:37:16.03
Yes.
00:37:16.06\00:37:18.03
And then
Williams, he comes up again,
00:37:18.06\00:37:20.26
"Dad, we are doing it wrong."
00:37:20.29\00:37:23.28
You got something in that kid.
00:37:23.31\00:37:26.18
Yeah, and you know we
started praying about it.
00:37:26.21\00:37:28.90
We did and the Holy Spirit
put us under heavy conviction
00:37:28.93\00:37:32.45
and I was a chaplain
00:37:32.48\00:37:34.02
at the hospital
there in Rogersville
00:37:34.05\00:37:35.91
and I had a menu
with all the churches
00:37:35.94\00:37:38.62
and pastors
there and we found out
00:37:38.65\00:37:40.74
we had a
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:37:40.77\00:37:43.00
in our community.
00:37:43.03\00:37:44.90
So we started riding by.
00:37:44.93\00:37:46.66
We wouldn't go and pull
in but we're just riding by.
00:37:46.69\00:37:48.68
We'd looked really
suspicious, you know,
00:37:48.71\00:37:50.67
just wonder
someone didn't call us off.
00:37:50.70\00:37:52.91
And they have a
little community centre there
00:37:52.94\00:37:55.23
called The
Lighthouse Community Center
00:37:55.26\00:37:56.95
where they help people out.
00:37:56.98\00:37:59.53
So I went into to see if
I had any reading material
00:37:59.56\00:38:02.48
and little lady
gave me a book that says
00:38:02.51\00:38:04.35
"We are the Adventist,"
Seventh-day Adventist.
00:38:04.38\00:38:06.32
Yes.
00:38:06.35\00:38:07.38
And I've thanked her and
she told me the worship hour
00:38:07.41\00:38:10.09
you know, to come
worship and I pulled out
00:38:10.12\00:38:13.00
and the cell phone rang
00:38:13.03\00:38:14.06
and I answered the
phone and Brandi said,
00:38:14.09\00:38:16.03
"What did you found out?"
00:38:16.06\00:38:17.09
And I said "Well,
I got another book."
00:38:17.12\00:38:18.62
So I take that book
home and we studied that
00:38:18.65\00:38:21.27
and we really started praying.
00:38:21.30\00:38:22.81
Yeah.
00:38:22.84\00:38:23.87
"Lord, is this
where you want us go?
00:38:23.90\00:38:25.30
Are you sure?"
00:38:25.33\00:38:26.36
I mean, is this, we've
never been there before."
00:38:26.39\00:38:27.87
Now have you ever heard the name
00:38:27.90\00:38:29.02
Seventh-day Adventist before?
00:38:29.05\00:38:30.68
No, I mean, no.
00:38:30.71\00:38:32.01
So that name was not
familiar to you at all.
00:38:32.04\00:38:33.82
No, we were not
familiar with it at all.
00:38:33.85\00:38:36.33
I will tell you this.
00:38:36.36\00:38:38.06
Whenever he had
this, when he was chaplain
00:38:38.09\00:38:40.96
and had the
bonder from the hospital
00:38:40.99\00:38:43.10
with all the
different denominations,
00:38:43.13\00:38:45.53
we would just
read through, curious,
00:38:45.56\00:38:46.78
because you know, being Baptist
00:38:46.81\00:38:48.37
and I have some
Pentecostal my side,
00:38:48.40\00:38:49.87
we knew what those were
00:38:49.90\00:38:51.33
but we didn't
know other religions
00:38:51.36\00:38:53.70
and how they believed
00:38:53.73\00:38:54.77
and when he was
reading through it
00:38:54.80\00:38:56.44
he laughed and he said
00:38:56.47\00:38:58.39
"you're
Seventh-day Adventist, Brandi"
00:38:58.42\00:39:00.65
and I was like " What?
00:39:00.68\00:39:01.94
What's that?"
00:39:01.97\00:39:03.87
Because the vegetarian,
you know, the healthy way.
00:39:03.90\00:39:06.80
Also had a little break
down on what they believed.
00:39:06.83\00:39:08.44
Yeah, I see. Okay. Okay.
00:39:08.47\00:39:10.26
So we thought that you
know, that could be a joke but--
00:39:10.29\00:39:13.73
That was a prophesy. Yeah.
00:39:13.76\00:39:17.68
We was reading God's
word and come across,
00:39:17.71\00:39:21.13
Psalms 18:30 "As for
God, His way is perfect,
00:39:21.16\00:39:27.01
the word of the Lord is proven,
00:39:27.04\00:39:28.81
and He is a shield to
those who trust in Him."
00:39:28.84\00:39:32.14
Yes Lord, we'll trust
You, we'll go, we'll go.
00:39:32.17\00:39:35.58
We'll go this-- well,
we call it Sabbath now,
00:39:35.61\00:39:38.21
we'll go this Saturday.
00:39:38.24\00:39:39.81
And as-- we was driving
we was dressed up very nice
00:39:39.84\00:39:42.78
and going down through
town and everybody morning,
00:39:42.81\00:39:45.51
you are having car
washes, bike sales, yard sales,
00:39:45.54\00:39:47.93
so weird.
00:39:47.96\00:39:49.74
We pulled into the parking lot
00:39:49.77\00:39:52.31
and I was kind of
rushing everybody along
00:39:52.34\00:39:55.06
'cause it was
almost time for the church
00:39:55.09\00:39:57.16
to start and
the door slings open
00:39:57.19\00:39:59.99
and there's this big German guy,
00:40:00.02\00:40:01.73
he's greater than he
says "Happy Sabbath."
00:40:01.76\00:40:04.69
And I was like never
heard that before you know,
00:40:04.72\00:40:07.54
what's Sabbath?
00:40:07.57\00:40:08.67
What's Sabbath?
Brandi, what's Sabbath?
00:40:08.70\00:40:10.44
And I found out
what Sabbath was.
00:40:10.47\00:40:12.91
And-- so she-- we go in
and everybody showing us
00:40:12.94\00:40:16.28
where the Sabbath
schools are you know,
00:40:16.31\00:40:17.95
we went Sabbath school classes
00:40:17.98\00:40:19.33
and afterwards we
gather out in a little foyer
00:40:19.36\00:40:22.42
and she said,
"How did you like it?"
00:40:22.45\00:40:23.67
And I said, "I liked
it, I heard something
00:40:23.70\00:40:26.36
about the three angles message,
I'm not really you know,
00:40:26.39\00:40:29.40
we have to go
home and study that."
00:40:29.43\00:40:30.59
So that first
Sabbath you're kind of wading
00:40:30.62\00:40:32.84
in the deep water.
00:40:32.87\00:40:34.26
Someone mentioned
the "Great Controversy"
00:40:34.29\00:40:36.18
and I told our sis,
00:40:36.21\00:40:37.28
they mentioned the
"Great Controversy."
00:40:37.31\00:40:38.79
I said-- she said, "What is it?"
00:40:38.82\00:40:40.53
I said, " Maybe be there
are fighting over color carpet,
00:40:40.56\00:40:42.45
I don't know but I'm
sure they'll work it out."
00:40:42.48\00:40:46.01
And then you know, as we--
we went home through church,
00:40:46.04\00:40:49.50
we heard about Ms.
White and how great she--
00:40:49.53\00:40:51.53
you know, what she was saying
00:40:51.56\00:40:53.29
and I kept looking
around for Ms. White
00:40:53.32\00:40:54.96
and "Lord Jesus,
whoever Ms. White is, you know,
00:40:54.99\00:40:58.02
she is not here
today 'cause of sickness.
00:40:58.05\00:40:59.67
Please let her be
here so I can meet her."
00:40:59.70\00:41:01.71
Oh, that is funny.
00:41:01.74\00:41:02.80
You know, I loved to meet
this lady and talk to her and--
00:41:02.83\00:41:05.03
I thought Ms. White was
still around and you know,
00:41:05.06\00:41:08.07
we were just
taken-- we just got flooded
00:41:08.10\00:41:10.33
with all of this that
we never heard before.
00:41:10.36\00:41:12.41
Wow.
00:41:12.44\00:41:13.47
And we go home and--
00:41:13.50\00:41:15.77
But the love at that
church-- Oh, good the love--
00:41:15.80\00:41:18.38
And the hospitality
that they showed us,
00:41:18.41\00:41:20.98
the first day, nobody knew us,
00:41:21.01\00:41:23.45
we didn't know a soul
there and they didn't know us
00:41:23.48\00:41:27.07
but they were there
and they were willing
00:41:27.10\00:41:30.85
to extent their hand and say,
00:41:30.88\00:41:32.67
come join us for
lunch after church.
00:41:32.70\00:41:34.69
Wow. We had I
guess three invites.
00:41:34.72\00:41:37.18
Let me ask you this because
is this is very important
00:41:37.21\00:41:39.34
and this is the lesson
that the churches can learn.
00:41:39.37\00:41:42.64
Other things that impressed
you that first Sabbath?
00:41:42.67\00:41:44.89
You talked about,
00:41:44.92\00:41:46.05
they are three and the
deep end of that pulled you.
00:41:46.08\00:41:47.29
You heard about Sabbath,
00:41:47.32\00:41:48.86
you heard about
three angels' message,
00:41:48.89\00:41:50.24
you heard about
"Great Controversy"
00:41:50.27\00:41:52.02
which are in Adventist home
00:41:52.05\00:41:53.54
that we toss
around kind of a lot
00:41:53.57\00:41:54.96
but outside world
doesn't know what that stuff is.
00:41:54.99\00:41:57.40
The greeting at the
door and the over all
00:41:57.43\00:41:59.92
love of the church,
which impressed you the most?
00:41:59.95\00:42:02.59
They had fellowship
meal and they'd let us go
00:42:02.62\00:42:04.40
first through line.
00:42:04.43\00:42:06.82
Well, praise the Lord.
00:42:06.85\00:42:09.39
It was the love, love of Jesus
00:42:09.42\00:42:11.47
and the in depth of the
study of the Word of God.
00:42:11.50\00:42:16.12
That's what
we've been doing. Yeah.
00:42:16.15\00:42:17.67
And I never heard
the word so deeply
00:42:17.70\00:42:21.24
taught like in
Sabbath school and which is--
00:42:21.27\00:42:24.91
we went back the next Sabbath
and then they asked Brandi,
00:42:24.94\00:42:27.78
you know, to make a dish
or two for Sabbath meal and--
00:42:27.81\00:42:31.27
Wow.
00:42:31.30\00:42:32.33
We're leaving out
one Sabbath morning,
00:42:32.36\00:42:34.48
we're leaving out
one Sabbath morning
00:42:34.51\00:42:35.87
and we're live
out in the country,
00:42:35.90\00:42:37.15
everybody knows everybody
00:42:37.18\00:42:39.03
and I'm putting
dishes in the van
00:42:39.06\00:42:41.13
and I'm dressed you know,
00:42:41.16\00:42:42.85
to go church and our
neighbor across the yard--
00:42:42.88\00:42:45.43
I mean across the
road she's getting her
00:42:45.46\00:42:47.06
paper out of the paper box
00:42:47.09\00:42:48.17
and she looked over
and she says, "Who died?"
00:42:48.20\00:42:51.51
I said, "Nobody died.
We're going to church."
00:42:51.54\00:42:54.49
She said, "Going to church?"
00:42:54.52\00:42:55.95
She said "Where are
you going to church at?"
00:42:55.98\00:42:57.25
I said, "Rogersville SDA Church"
00:42:57.28\00:42:59.14
and she stand out and
she's like "Oh, oh, oh.
00:42:59.17\00:43:02.32
Okay, I said "See you later."
00:43:02.35\00:43:05.73
That is a good story.
00:43:09.41\00:43:10.94
Obviously, she knew a
little bit about that--
00:43:10.97\00:43:13.62
that yeah, that the last
kind of going on for her.
00:43:13.65\00:43:16.33
So from those early days,
00:43:16.36\00:43:18.32
how did the kids
respond to this--
00:43:18.35\00:43:21.12
this new deal?
00:43:21.15\00:43:23.14
Well, Elijah, he's
been raised, you know,
00:43:23.17\00:43:25.81
well, he remembers, you
know, but Will and Hailey,
00:43:25.84\00:43:29.28
they had a little
bit of a time, you know,
00:43:29.31\00:43:32.70
especially when they had
learned this lesson about,
00:43:32.73\00:43:38.25
State of the Dead?
State of the Dead, yeah.
00:43:38.28\00:43:40.11
They had a lot of questions.
00:43:40.14\00:43:42.52
But you know this great
man and lady from our church
00:43:42.55\00:43:45.91
coming at this Bible
studies at the house.
00:43:45.94\00:43:47.72
Great.
00:43:47.75\00:43:48.78
And they, they involved the kids
00:43:48.81\00:43:50.20
because they knew
they had questions
00:43:50.23\00:43:51.67
and they answered
all of our questions
00:43:51.70\00:43:54.84
and a great
pastor, Pastor Sean Reed,
00:43:54.87\00:43:58.07
he came and he talked
to us at home and lead--
00:43:58.10\00:44:00.18
he has lead us all
the way who we are now.
00:44:00.21\00:44:03.07
Our doors of
opportunities have opened,
00:44:03.10\00:44:05.51
we have a-- we started
a children's church there.
00:44:05.54\00:44:09.45
I've teach the
junior Sabbaths class there.
00:44:09.48\00:44:12.81
Brandi helps
out with cradle roll
00:44:12.84\00:44:16.29
and now it's my call into preach
00:44:16.32\00:44:17.83
and began preaching.
00:44:17.86\00:44:19.03
Wow.
00:44:19.06\00:44:20.09
Yeah, and then they
asked me to be deacon,
00:44:20.12\00:44:23.49
I said, "sure" you know, and--
00:44:23.52\00:44:25.09
Now we need to say Doug,
00:44:25.12\00:44:26.67
you guys we are
not talking about
00:44:26.70\00:44:28.45
10, 20 years ago.
00:44:28.48\00:44:30.04
This is-- you're still
fairly new as-- as Adventist.
00:44:30.07\00:44:32.67
Yes, sir.
00:44:32.70\00:44:33.75
Yeah, and we
praise the Lord for that.
00:44:33.78\00:44:35.68
And the churches
have been so good to us.
00:44:35.71\00:44:37.49
They brought us all these
big sets of books by Ms. White.
00:44:37.52\00:44:41.34
And we can study
those with the Word of God.
00:44:41.37\00:44:44.67
Oh, it's just--
it's just so in depth.
00:44:44.70\00:44:46.97
I mean, I led the
study in the Bible studies
00:44:47.00\00:44:49.73
that we have.
00:44:49.76\00:44:50.79
Yeah. Praise the Lord.
00:44:50.82\00:44:51.97
And the-- I think
the-- the children theme
00:44:52.00\00:44:54.97
working with kids, it's
kind of just in your soul.
00:44:55.00\00:44:57.08
You can't-- can't
keep from doing it.
00:44:57.11\00:44:58.81
Yeah, and
praise the Lord for it.
00:44:58.84\00:45:00.14
And I think before
this program is over
00:45:00.17\00:45:01.21
we're gonna bring your kids out
00:45:01.24\00:45:02.28
so we can meet them
'cause we heard them
00:45:02.31\00:45:03.46
William, Hailey and Elijah.
00:45:03.49\00:45:04.81
Elijah is my man. I like him.
00:45:04.84\00:45:07.32
But now you have a ministry
00:45:07.35\00:45:08.51
and "Amazing Bible
Journeys" is it called?
00:45:08.54\00:45:12.45
What is that all about
and what does that seek to do?
00:45:12.48\00:45:14.71
Well, we have a big
room downstairs in our church
00:45:14.74\00:45:17.68
all from the fellowship hall
00:45:17.71\00:45:19.17
and it's-- it
got two big columns
00:45:19.20\00:45:21.70
and my thing is
00:45:21.73\00:45:24.21
there are so many
children out there hurting,
00:45:24.24\00:45:25.81
so many children out
there in broken homes,
00:45:25.84\00:45:27.31
so many children out there.
00:45:27.34\00:45:29.09
This is one of the
larger or small, you know,
00:45:29.12\00:45:31.71
and somebody told me about Jesus
00:45:31.74\00:45:34.37
when I was small and it stuck.
00:45:34.40\00:45:36.37
That's what I want to do
to these-- for these kids.
00:45:36.40\00:45:38.52
I want to take them
and show them Jesus.
00:45:38.55\00:45:41.01
I want them to experience Jesus.
00:45:41.04\00:45:42.32
I want them to
experience the Bible
00:45:42.35\00:45:43.75
so we take those two
columns and we work out of them
00:45:43.78\00:45:47.67
and we made a huge
Noah's Ark and then we got--
00:45:47.70\00:45:51.52
we had a children's
church in the ark and--
00:45:51.55\00:45:54.72
but the door was the main focus.
00:45:54.75\00:45:56.80
You know that door--
Jesus is the door, you know,
00:45:56.83\00:46:00.99
and we got to show
them Jesus that way.
00:46:01.02\00:46:03.00
We've-- we have
built Jonah and the Whale,
00:46:03.03\00:46:05.90
we had children
search inside the whale,
00:46:05.93\00:46:07.53
things like that.
00:46:07.56\00:46:08.75
Yes, yes, praise the Lord.
00:46:08.78\00:46:10.34
Now does that
happen on the Sabbath
00:46:10.37\00:46:12.21
or another day of the week or?
00:46:12.24\00:46:13.57
That happens
once Sabbath a month.
00:46:13.60\00:46:16.31
Oh, okay, okay.
Wow, that's fabulous.
00:46:16.34\00:46:18.75
And currently we
are doing the sanctuary.
00:46:18.78\00:46:21.96
Excellent.
00:46:21.99\00:46:23.26
We have learned a
lot in that stage.
00:46:23.29\00:46:25.64
And another thing the Lord
has opened up was VBS last year.
00:46:25.67\00:46:29.57
They've asked us to do VBS
and then there was a church,
00:46:29.60\00:46:32.91
contacted us and they
wasn't gonna be able to have VBS
00:46:32.94\00:46:36.42
and we got to take our
VBS program to their church.
00:46:36.45\00:46:38.99
Oh, nice.
00:46:39.02\00:46:40.06
And all these
children we've got to meet
00:46:40.09\00:46:41.96
and tell Jesus to, you know,
00:46:41.99\00:46:43.78
tell them about
Jesus and tell them
00:46:43.81\00:46:46.28
and show them the
love of Christ, you know,
00:46:46.31\00:46:49.03
that's what we-- we
don't want any one to see
00:46:49.06\00:46:50.80
Doug and Brandi, we
want people to see Jesus.
00:46:50.83\00:46:53.36
We want all the glory, you know,
00:46:53.39\00:46:56.08
go to the Father in heaven.
00:46:56.11\00:46:57.86
To God be the glory.
Praise God. Praise God.
00:46:57.89\00:47:02.02
Wonderful story.
00:47:02.05\00:47:03.10
Obviously you are
hearing and experiencing,
00:47:03.13\00:47:05.66
I don't know do you if
someone wanted you to come in
00:47:05.69\00:47:09.22
and tell your
story at their church,
00:47:09.25\00:47:10.93
would you be open to doing that?
00:47:10.96\00:47:12.04
Yes, sir.
00:47:12.07\00:47:13.13
It will be blessing to
a group or a youth group
00:47:13.16\00:47:15.24
or some of the things
that you are experiencing
00:47:15.27\00:47:17.78
that you'd been open
to do it-- to doing that.
00:47:17.81\00:47:19.35
Absolutely.
00:47:19.38\00:47:20.41
So, should you
like to make contact
00:47:20.44\00:47:22.11
with these two lovely
people, Doug and Brandi Jenkins,
00:47:22.14\00:47:25.34
here is a contact
information that you will need.
00:47:25.37\00:47:29.90
If you'd like to
invite Doug or Brandi
00:47:29.93\00:47:32.03
to speak at your church
00:47:32.06\00:47:33.42
you may write to them
at Amazing Bible Journeys,
00:47:33.45\00:47:36.63
712 Caney Creek Road
in Rogersville, TN 37857.
00:47:36.66\00:47:43.42
That's Amazing Bible Journeys,
00:47:43.45\00:47:45.57
712 Caney Creek Road
in Rogersville, TN 37857.
00:47:45.60\00:47:52.08
You may also call them
at area code 423-345-3170.
00:47:52.11\00:47:58.49
That's 423-345-3170.
00:47:58.52\00:48:03.45
Or visit their church
online at reogersvillesda.com.
00:48:03.48\00:48:09.02
That's reogersvillesda.com.
00:48:09.05\00:48:12.30
All right, we
got the gang with us
00:48:15.78\00:48:17.90
and Hailey and William
00:48:17.93\00:48:22.60
and this is my
man Elijah, right?
00:48:22.63\00:48:25.78
Give me a shake. All right.
00:48:25.81\00:48:28.96
Brandi, you were saying, you--
00:48:28.99\00:48:30.98
you were telling me
during the address roll,
00:48:31.01\00:48:33.53
what your goal was
with the children's church.
00:48:33.56\00:48:36.89
Walk me through
that again please.
00:48:36.92\00:48:38.29
Yes.
00:48:38.32\00:48:41.49
Satan is the
father of our lives.
00:48:41.52\00:48:46.37
And that is his goal
00:48:46.40\00:48:49.71
because his time is so short
00:48:49.74\00:48:54.39
because I believe that
Jesus return is very same
00:48:54.42\00:48:57.91
and Satan tries so hard
00:48:57.94\00:49:01.19
especially with
the younger generation
00:49:01.22\00:49:03.57
to tell them you're
worthless, you can't do that,
00:49:03.60\00:49:09.93
you're not any good, you know,
00:49:09.96\00:49:12.92
and he tries to
just keep them down.
00:49:12.95\00:49:18.81
But we want them to know
that God is who God says He is.
00:49:18.84\00:49:25.56
He is our Creator, God is love
00:49:25.59\00:49:29.25
and we want the children to know
00:49:29.28\00:49:31.28
that they are
who God says they are
00:49:31.31\00:49:34.03
and which we're
all children of God
00:49:34.06\00:49:37.34
and God doesn't want us to live
00:49:37.37\00:49:40.75
under those lies and
listen to those lies of Satan.
00:49:40.78\00:49:46.61
And that's just the burden
we have that the children know
00:49:46.64\00:49:51.15
what and even the adults
because some of our boards
00:49:51.18\00:49:54.63
that we make or
things that we put up
00:49:54.66\00:49:58.46
speaks to the adults'
heart as well because it does.
00:49:58.49\00:50:01.84
It applies to us all. Yeah.
00:50:01.87\00:50:04.78
Now how often do you
have children's church?
00:50:04.81\00:50:07.18
We have it once,
one Sabbath a month.
00:50:07.21\00:50:08.81
One Sabbath a
month, in your home?
00:50:08.84\00:50:10.43
No, at church. At church, okay.
00:50:10.46\00:50:12.13
All right, very good.
00:50:12.16\00:50:13.19
Now, William, we
will put you on the spot.
00:50:13.22\00:50:15.59
Hold that microphone up
00:50:15.62\00:50:17.02
because William did
not expect to speak,
00:50:17.05\00:50:19.47
we kind of just
threw this on him.
00:50:19.50\00:50:21.21
But your dad was
saying that the first time
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you began to study the law
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and you found out about Sabbath,
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that you realized that it
was something that you guys
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had to do, is that right?
00:50:29.91\00:50:31.13
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, first of all,
all my life ever since
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I went to church,
I've always been confused
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when I read the
law about Sabbath
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and I've heard
Sunday is the Lord's day
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and Sabbath is Saturday
so I got confused about how,
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how should we go on
church on Saturday or Sunday.
00:50:51.44\00:50:55.23
As far as we going to
church on Sunday or we was--
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Sunday and I
was kind of confused
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so I want for sure should I--
00:51:02.80\00:51:06.58
should I tell them about
it or should I just you know,
00:51:06.61\00:51:11.03
keep quiet.
00:51:11.06\00:51:12.09
So this was already
going on in your heart
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even before then?
00:51:13.77\00:51:15.08
Yeah. Oh, I see. Okay, okay.
00:51:15.11\00:51:17.46
So I kept quiet
until they found--
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found, found the
book that I talked about
00:51:20.72\00:51:26.90
and so when they started
00:51:26.93\00:51:29.47
getting
interested I said, "Okay,
00:51:29.50\00:51:31.96
this is the good
time to talk about it."
00:51:31.99\00:51:33.39
Okay, so you were
actually waited on them?
00:51:33.42\00:51:35.00
Yeah.
00:51:35.03\00:51:36.06
That is
something-- so on his own
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he's studying his
way into this stuff
00:51:40.45\00:51:42.42
and he was kind
of just holding back
00:51:42.45\00:51:43.63
for you guys to get the hook
00:51:43.66\00:51:45.17
and now he can kind
of spring it on you.
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Yeah.
00:51:46.66\00:51:47.70
When you stared going
on to church on Saturday
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was it a big change for
you, was it kind of scary?
00:51:50.39\00:51:53.73
I kind of felt nervous.
00:51:53.76\00:51:55.79
I kind of felt nervous at
first 'cause I didn't know
00:51:55.82\00:51:59.36
if there was
you know different--
00:51:59.39\00:52:01.58
if there was changes
00:52:01.61\00:52:02.95
that I had to
make suddenly or not,
00:52:02.98\00:52:06.96
so everybody was nice there.
00:52:06.99\00:52:09.75
Nobody judged me,
everybody accepted who I was
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and who I am and
the classes I had
00:52:14.82\00:52:20.11
there was really
interesting 'cause first thing
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we've learned
was about creation.
00:52:23.85\00:52:28.08
There can't be
creation without a Creator. Yes.
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So that was the first
time I ever going there
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so it's always
been kept in my mind.
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Okay. Thank you so very much.
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I tell you, you
got a budding preacher
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there on you,
on you hands there.
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God bless you.
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We got to go to our newsbreak
and then we're gonna come back
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with a closing thought
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so to put a
little bow around this
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