Participants: Ken Cox
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015017A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:11 My name is C.A. Murray 01:12 and let me thank you once again for sharing 01:15 just a little bit of your no doubt busy day with us. 01:18 So thank you, for your love, your prayers 01:19 and your support of 3ABN. 01:22 We realize we could not do what we do 01:24 unless we have your partnership. 01:26 So we thank you, so very, very much. 01:28 Very special program today. 01:29 First of all we are coming to you from 01:31 outside of our 3ABN studios. 01:33 We are in Surprise, Arizona and I say because I'm joined 01:36 by our president and my good friend Jim Gilley. 01:38 Jim, good to have you here. Good to be here. 01:40 And we've got a very special guest. 01:42 Yes, we do. 01:43 Who has yet another book, 01:44 he has become rather prolific in last several years. 01:47 He's always been prolific but he's been 01:49 pro-prolific dare I say in the last little bit. 01:52 Ken Cox is with us again and he's got a brand new book 01:55 that we want to talk about 01:56 because we are very, very excited about it 01:58 and it joins a series of books that are really 02:01 timely information for God's people, Jim. 02:03 You know, I'm not sure 02:05 that I have the exact record and numbers 02:07 but I believe that Kenneth Cox has probably spoken on 3ABN 02:14 more than any other speaker who is not a part of our staff. 02:18 And so when you watch 3ABN you often 02:23 are confronted with the ministry of Kenneth Cox 02:27 and I say confronted from this standpoint, 02:30 Kenneth makes you think. 02:31 He does. 02:32 And when he presents a subject, a doctrine 02:36 he himself has done a lot of thinking, 02:39 a lot of planning, a lot of studying. 02:41 I've been privileged at times to be nearby 02:45 when he was preparing a series and I want to tell you 02:48 he is the most highly organized individual 02:51 that I've ever known. 02:52 There is only one other person that even comes close to him 02:55 in my book as far as organization 02:58 and he can study a subject more thoroughly 03:02 than any individual that I've ever met. 03:05 So when he told me 03:07 that he was going to prepare a book on the sanctuary, 03:10 I got excited about it, C.A. 03:12 Yeah, it's an excited thing. 03:13 There are couple of names that you tend to hear 03:15 as you will know, when you talk about the spiritual gift 03:18 to make the complex plain. 03:20 You hear Doug Batchelor, you hear Ken Cox. 03:24 These are men who can take 03:25 what can be fairly weighty subjects 03:27 and make them digestible dare I say for the common man-- 03:31 And then Ken Cox is writing does that also. 03:34 Absolutely. So we welcome you, Kenneth. 03:36 Thank you. 03:37 We are so happy because you are joining with us. 03:39 Kenneth, good to have you with us. 03:41 And in case some of you may have tuned in 03:43 and you do not know Kenneth Cox. 03:46 He has held evangelistic series 03:50 all over the known world pretty much. 03:54 Australia, South America, even into Russia, 03:59 of course here in the United States. 04:01 I know that John Carter one time told me, 04:03 he said, you know, John said, I hold two meetings a year 04:08 and he says I just spin myself in those two meetings 04:13 but at that time Kenneth was holding at least 04:16 six full evangelistic meetings every year. 04:20 And I remember John saying to me, 04:22 I just don't know how he does it 04:25 because it requires so much energy 04:28 to do one of these large city wide crusades. 04:32 There is so much to it than just the speaking. 04:35 You have a lot of counseling, lot of visiting, 04:37 a lot of other commitments that come to you 04:40 in a meeting like that. 04:41 And so I along with John Carter marvel 04:45 at the energy that God has given this man. 04:48 About how many of these series have you conducted now? 04:51 Do you have an estimation? 04:56 Jim. 04:58 Two hundred I would imagine. Yeah, at least 200. 05:01 I don't have any idea, never try to keep counting. 05:04 Because I have held a hundred and I know you've doubled me 05:07 at least with the number of meetings that you held. 05:09 At least 200. 05:10 You know, I think just as the pastoral calling 05:13 is a specific gift, obviously the call to evangelism 05:18 is a specific gift for which God equips the men 05:21 and they are not the same. 05:22 No. 05:23 Evangelists don't always make good pastors. 05:25 And pastors don't always make good evangelists. 05:27 They are two separate gifts. 05:28 Absolutely. Yeah. I's rare. 05:30 Sometimes you'll find a unique individual 05:33 who does pretty well at both 05:34 but usually that is rare and far between. 05:39 I think Kenneth would have been a good pastor 05:42 or evangelist but he felt so called to evangelism 05:47 that he was wanting to be here and there 05:52 and holding more meetings. 05:55 I don't know how to explain it, it's just the fire 05:57 and you want to go out 05:58 and proclaim the message, you know. 06:01 It's just what the Lord gives you, He puts in you. 06:04 You know, the subject of the sanctuary, 06:06 Kenneth, is a subject that is really vital for today. 06:11 Because one of the things that happen with the Jewish people 06:16 is that they lost sight of the sanctuary service. 06:22 The reason they missed Jesus 06:24 is that they did not truly understand the sanctuary. 06:28 That's right. 06:29 And I believe that a lot of people 06:31 are missing Jesus today 06:33 because they don't understand the sanctuary 06:36 and if the sanctuary gives us the full understanding 06:41 of the ministry of Jesus Christ. 06:43 Absolutely. 06:44 So let's get into the book a little bit 06:47 and I want you to tell us some-- 06:49 about some of the chapters, some of the things that 06:51 you talk about in that book. 06:53 I have two things before you start and not to cut you off. 06:55 What did you see as lacking in the church 06:58 that drove you to write that book 06:59 because Jim articulated I think very, very well. 07:01 Did you feel that same way about our church 07:03 as far as losing its own hold on one of our key doctrines? 07:06 Well, I felt the things that were vital 07:10 to us as a church was the Three Angels' Messages. 07:14 Felt we needed to know those, understand them, 07:19 understand that we are not like any other church 07:22 that we are specially called people 07:25 to proclaim a particular message to the world. 07:28 And I felt you can't do that, you can't understand it 07:32 unless you can understand Daniel and Revelation. 07:35 You got to have kind of hold on those 07:38 and then you are not really gonna understand 07:42 Daniel and Revelation 07:43 unless you understand the sanctuary. 07:45 And so that was my reason for writing it. 07:50 It just bothered me, 07:51 I went back and read book after book. 07:54 But many books which are great books 07:56 are dissertations that thick 07:59 and I thought average men on the streets 08:01 is not gonna dig through that. 08:03 Just not gonna do it. 08:04 So I said, let's put out something there 08:06 that they can read and understand, 08:08 that will explain it to them. 08:10 And so that was the reason for it. 08:13 You titled your series and we have them here 08:16 "Daniel, Revelation and Sanctuary Pure and Simple." 08:19 Why pure and simple? 08:21 Well, I wanted it to be what the Bible taught, 08:23 pure in what the Bible taught 08:26 and in the average Jobs language 08:29 that you can understand, you know, 08:31 I didn't want put in lot of theological terms 08:34 and that kind of stuff which you can do, you know. 08:36 It depends on how you say it. 08:38 You know, you can say 08:40 don't count your chickens for the hatchery, you can say 08:43 don't count your feather progeny 08:44 before the time of incubation is fully being consummated. 08:47 Yeah, it just depends on how you want to say it. 08:51 And so I want to make it simple so they can understand it. 08:55 How long did it take you to do that, do that writing? 08:57 On sanctuary? 08:58 Took me about a year. About a year. 09:00 And of course that was writing Daniel and Revelation both 09:05 and the Sanctuary just something that God 09:06 put on my heart 09:08 and that was writing I as I felt I needed to-- 09:13 other words says it, I was moved, 09:15 I had to be in the right mood to write it. 09:18 It wasn't something I probably could have written 09:20 the book if I would have, you know, 09:22 sat down and stayed after hour and after, 09:24 I didn't want to do that. 09:25 I want to write it so that we are not-- 09:28 was moved on the subject I could write about it. 09:31 So that's what we did. 09:33 Now, Jim, threw out a number for you about 200 meetings, 09:35 about a 100 for himself, 09:36 only about half that maybe 45 meetings, 09:40 the burden to make it simple in these last days 09:44 and I think you can respond to that too little bit. 09:46 As an evangelist you wanted-- 09:47 you want the people to understand 09:49 what you are saying. 09:50 You don't want to keep it above their heads, 09:52 you want to feed them. 09:53 So I guess that made its way 09:54 into everything you put into that book also. 09:56 Absolutely. Yeah. 09:57 That's the purpose. 09:59 And it's written so that for-- 10:02 I didn't intend for this day be what's happening. 10:06 I wrote the book like I said for the average individual 10:09 but I found that as the book finished up 10:12 that it became a great book for church study groups. 10:17 Because it has 15 chapters in it 10:19 and they can take one a week 10:21 as a study group and take them through the sanctuary 10:23 and it's written so a person can read it 10:25 and also discuss it. 10:27 So I think if a church wants to study 10:31 the sanctuary this is the great way to study it. 10:34 Now back to Jim's question. 10:35 I apologize for sort of jumping in there. 10:38 Walk us through some of the chapters and what 10:40 we are actually looking at once we get into the book. 10:42 Well, I tried to just go through the sanctuary. 10:46 That's what I tried to do in the book. 10:47 So I start right at the beginning with the court 10:52 and I just simply explain about the court what it was, 10:56 you know, and how the court was around the tabernacle 10:59 and I talk about the altar, the brazen altar, 11:02 the altar of sacrifice and I talk about the laver 11:06 and I talk about what they were like, 11:08 what they look like and what they meant 11:11 and how they apply to us today, 11:14 you know, and so we make that application. 11:16 For instance if I'm talking about the laver, 11:18 I go back and what Jesus said, 11:21 I'm the water of life and talk about how that, 11:25 there is something there. 11:26 This in the sanctuary served us without a doubt 11:30 which Jim talked about is the greatest gospel lesson 11:35 in the Old Testament. 11:36 I mean, it lays out the plan of salvation 11:40 clearer than anything else. 11:43 There were, you know, I will tell you something 11:46 I ran into as I was studying and I had never caught it before 11:49 and I couldn't understand it 11:51 and that is where it speaks about them 11:54 offering a sacrifice of fat. 11:58 For instance when they killed the lamb, 12:01 the individual was not only responsible to lay his hands 12:04 on the head of the lamb and take its life 12:07 but also before they offered it, 12:09 the priest cut it open 12:10 and it was that person individual to take the fat out. 12:14 Had to take all the fat out of the lamb and put that on a-- 12:18 on the altar and burn it. 12:21 And then the scripture says it was a sweet aroma to the Lord. 12:26 Burning fat has never been a sweet aroma. 12:29 You know, it isn't. 12:31 So what does it mean when it says 12:33 it was a sweet aroma to the Lord? 12:35 Well, fat is a symbol of sin 12:39 and it was taken all the fat out of the body of the lamb 12:43 and burned it, disposing of it, getting rid of it 12:47 as a symbol of sin how God is gonna get rid of sin. 12:52 So it had a great, 12:54 that was a sweet aroma to the Lord, you know. 12:58 Very powerful. 12:59 I've always felt that and I've thought that, 13:01 I'm some sure you guys add to that, 13:02 when since the children of Israel 13:05 were probably most part illiterate. 13:07 When they went to the sanctuary, 13:09 when they went to church, when they assembled 13:10 they were also going to school 13:12 that God was teaching them and I don't know 13:14 if there is a more highly symbolic reality 13:16 than the sanctuary. 13:17 Everything was a lesson, every color, every, 13:20 you know, every text, everything was a lesson. 13:23 So in your study I guess you found that also. 13:26 Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 13:28 Lessons in there almost you can continually go back 13:32 and study and study and you learn and you learn 13:34 and you learn over and over. 13:36 And so anyhow, I just take the people through the court 13:40 and explain what it means, 13:42 I'll go and explain the tabernacle. 13:45 And explain the tabernacle and the first compartment 13:48 and second compartment 13:49 and what each piece of furniture represented 13:52 and how it applied and even as you get into the veil 13:56 and the colors in the veil and all had symbolic meaning. 14:01 They represented something 14:03 and so it was a lesson to all of the people 14:07 as they went through it and learned 14:09 what it was all about. 14:11 The sanctuary inside was gorgeous. 14:17 I mean, really gorgeous. 14:20 For a portable tabernacle 14:23 it's almost more than you can describe in its beauty. 14:27 I mean, if you could imagine walking in this room 14:30 and here is golden panels all the way around it 14:33 and the light reflecting on it, it just it was gorgeous in it. 14:38 But this interesting thing about it is, 14:42 they had these four different coverings 14:45 put over the top of it 14:47 and those went clear over it and down to the ground 14:50 and they were everything but beautiful. 14:53 So when you looked at the sanctuary 14:55 from the outside, 14:58 didn't look like anything at all 15:00 and I think there was two reasons for that. 15:02 I think one, it kept people from trying to raid the camp 15:05 and take it that so they put these skins over it 15:09 and just the badger's skin just a dull brown, 15:13 it was over the whole thing, you know, so it didn't look. 15:16 But you had to go inside, 15:18 when you went inside that whole picture changed, 15:22 okay. 15:25 Very, very descriptive of Christ. 15:29 Say, it says that we had, He had no beauty that we desired Him 15:35 and it's not the outward thing that God looks upon 15:38 but it's the heart, it's not the outward appearance. 15:41 And so those lessons are over and over and over 15:46 in the sanctuary and teaches, 15:49 you know, that we need to be concerned about our heart. 15:52 And what's happening there and what changes, 15:54 it's not the outward appearance, 15:57 its inward that makes a big difference. 16:01 We are as far as I know 16:03 the only major Protestant denomination 16:06 that really teaches sanctuary 16:07 as part of our doctrinal package. 16:09 I think it's our one gift to systematic theology. 16:13 Nobody has it like we do. That's right. 16:14 What is so important about the sanctuary 16:16 that God chose to plant that in the heart of the 16:19 Seventh-day Adventist church and do so fairly early? 16:22 Well, there are certain biblical beliefs that we have 16:26 that without the sanctuary you couldn't believe Him. 16:29 You know, you shouldn't be able to understand Him 16:32 that leaves you without it 16:33 and one is like the 2,300 days in Daniel 16:36 without the sanctuary and understanding 16:39 what went on there and the sanctuary. 16:41 you wouldn't understand it. 16:44 See I have meeting after meeting after meeting 16:47 and people come up to me and say 16:50 is there any hope for me? 16:52 Can I be saved? Has probation closed for me? 16:58 And this type of thing. 17:00 If you read and understand the sanctuary 17:03 you understand that the door of mercy is still open 17:10 and will stay open until Jesus comes. 17:13 For instance when the high priest 17:15 went into the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement 17:20 when he went there and he parted the veil 17:21 and went into the most holy place, 17:25 offered the blood there, made the sacrifice and so-- 17:29 sacrifice and everything there. 17:31 After he did that and I never caught this before 17:34 until I was studying this when he came out of there to go out 17:38 and put the sins upon the scapegoat 17:42 but when he came out there, he didn't go directly, 17:45 he went over to the altar of incense 17:48 and cleansed the altar of incense, 17:50 then he went out to the altar of sacrifice 17:53 and did a cleansing on the altar of sacrifice 17:56 before he place his hands on the scapegoat. 17:59 Showing that if there was any sins committed after 18:04 it happened there in the most holy place 18:06 there was still forgiveness. 18:08 You know, and so it answers the question, 18:12 you know, is there hope for me? 18:13 You better believe there is. 18:15 Yeah. Yeah. 18:16 So it appears as that one of the-- 18:19 dare I say side benefits of the study of the sanctuary. 18:22 Is that a kind of places you will we are in time 18:26 and lets you know kind of, 18:28 well, not only what's going on heaven 18:30 but also what's going on, on planet earth? 18:33 Yeah. Yeah. 18:34 And certainly it teaches and you understand it 18:40 as you understand the sanctuary that there is 18:43 no such, such thing as salvation by works. 18:47 I mean, over and over and over it stress the fact 18:51 that this is given as a gift to us 18:55 through the Lord Jesus Christ and they understood that. 18:58 So when they lost sight of that, they lost sight of it 19:01 and they missed when Jesus came. 19:03 Yeah. Yeah. 19:05 Do you think the world-- 19:06 that church is in danger of losing sight of that again 19:09 that we may be slipping back into our works 19:11 or into kind of mentality? 19:13 Well, all I can say is C.A., I've held lots of meetings 19:18 and I find when we hold meetings 19:20 our people know very little about the sanctuary. 19:24 You know, they just-- it's just and I go-- 19:29 I'm sorry, I don't mean this wrong in any way, 19:32 but they don't hear any sermons on it. 19:35 I don't hear it being preached and which to me it should be. 19:40 Yeah. Yeah. 19:41 Maybe the Lord is beginning to light a fire. 19:44 I know Jim was at GYC fairly recently 19:46 and we heard a powerful, passionate sermon 19:50 by a young preacher on sanctuary 19:53 and so maybe the Lord is lighting fires 19:55 in different areas, this book being one of those 19:58 fires to say, hey, let's go back 20:00 and find and rediscover the old and make it new. 20:04 Absolutely. 20:05 We need to and make a big, big difference 20:09 in people's relationship with Christ that we would. 20:12 Yeah. I think and I'm sure Jim would agree 20:15 that it would also take a lot of fear out of people's lives. 20:17 Yes. 20:19 Fear for themselves, fear for their families, 20:21 fear what's going on in heaven, fear how Christ use them 20:24 and what Christ is doing in their behalf even now. 20:27 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 20:28 You know, it was marvelous what took place there 20:33 and what it meant in all and when that priest 20:37 went into the holy place, 20:40 you know, and offered the blood on the altar of sacrifice, 20:45 I mean the altar of incense and what the candlesticks 20:50 stood for and the table of showbread and all. 20:52 It answers lots of questions. 20:55 And it helps the people see and understand Christ, 21:01 what He is doing up in heaven in our behalf now. 21:04 And you can't deny 21:06 when the Book of Hebrew is full of it 21:08 about what Christ is doing up in heaven now 21:11 and it talks about Him in the sense of the priest, 21:14 you know. 21:15 So yes, it has to be something that 21:21 that will help them understand the gospel. 21:23 Jim and I heard a message not too long ago on this stage 21:26 and one of things the pastor was asking was the entire work 21:30 of atonement finished at the cross 21:33 and I think where he was going with that 21:35 is that there are some benefits to what happened on the cross 21:38 that are being ministered now in the sanctuary 21:41 and you don't understand that 21:43 until you look at the whole sanctuary, 21:44 the whole sanctuary message 21:45 and a whole loving the cross certainly open the door, 21:50 but now there are benefits to that death on the cross 21:52 that Christ is ministering in our behalf. 21:54 And without the cross, there will be no, no sanctuary. 21:59 Correct. I mean at all, 22:00 but the sanctuary is now of course in the heaven 22:04 and that our-- 22:06 we do have a high priest and it is Jesus Christ Himself. 22:11 Lot of people are looking for a temple 22:14 to be rebuilt in Israel. 22:16 Bible does not teach that 22:19 and if they built it, how would they-- 22:22 what would they do it, 22:23 it wouldn't have a high priest because 22:26 the choice of a high priest is something that 22:30 just wouldn't happen today. 22:32 You couldn't even arrive at who that person would be 22:36 and you don't have to do that 22:38 because we already have a high priest, 22:40 it's Jesus Christ our Lord and our God 22:45 and He is serving in the sanctuary in heaven. 22:49 Because this sanctuary here on earth 22:51 was a pattern of what that is in heaven. 22:55 That's right. 22:56 And that's, you know, you either believe that 22:59 or you don't but that's what the Bible says. 23:01 Yeah, and you can't, you can't read the Book of Hebrews 23:05 and not face that. 23:07 You got to face that there is a sanctuary in all-- 23:10 and one in the heaven 23:11 what you are going to do with it? 23:13 You know, you can't throw it out. 23:14 It's like throwing the baby out with the bath water. 23:16 In fact, there is no sanctuary on earth anymore. 23:20 It is in heaven. Yeah. 23:21 And there was, the reality there was a sanctuary on earth, 23:25 it became the temple, they moved that inside 23:29 and built a permanent place for it 23:31 and the patter was very similar to that-- 23:34 in fact, the holy place and most holy place 23:38 exact dimensions of what 23:40 the old sanctuary was in the desert. 23:43 Yes, it's a same as the sanctuary in the desert, 23:45 same as Solomon's temple. 23:47 Right. 23:48 So then this is what the Bible says is in heaven now 23:53 and our high priest is serving for us there. 23:56 And what some people would get tremendous comfort from 23:59 and great, great how should I say it, peace of heart 24:04 now as the Bible says that each one of us are to be priest 24:10 and in heaven it says we will be priest 24:14 and because we were minister there in the New Jerusalem. 24:18 It says there is no temple in the city. 24:21 Why isn't there a temple in the city? 24:24 Because the city is a temple, 24:27 that's why there is not one in there. 24:28 It's the city itself is a temple 24:30 and you and I will work there serving the Lord as priest. 24:36 Why? 24:37 Because we are the only ones in the entire universe 24:40 that can understand, totally and completely the grace of God 24:44 and what He has done for us and so God has laid it upon us 24:48 to explain to the universe, 24:50 and to all the unfallen worlds what the grace of God is. 24:54 Praise God for that. 24:55 You know, there are so much evangelical thought and time 24:58 and energy put into are they are gonna built it 25:00 or they are gonna tear down the dome of the rock 25:02 or they are gonna put, you know, 25:03 and you realize once you understand that sanctuary 25:06 is that even if they did, it wouldn't mean anything 25:08 because action is in heaven. 25:10 You know, that's where the action is right now. 25:12 If they fought with the Muslim community 25:15 and tow everything down and put a temple up there 25:17 doesn't mean anything because Christ died once and for all. 25:20 The action is now in heaven for us. 25:23 So you understand that 25:24 when you really understand the sanctuary. You do. 25:27 Now that's how it puts it, begins to, 25:29 it just brings everything together for you. 25:32 Yeah, you see things and understand 25:34 where is a sacrifice except for one there was one other 25:38 but all the sacrifices were offered in the court. 25:42 There was no sacrifice offered in the tabernacle, 25:45 it's always in the court. 25:47 Well, Christ, they had been watching 25:49 was to be crucified outside the court. 25:54 See, that's what it made it clear, 25:56 they could have read the scripture 25:58 and known what was happening. 26:00 They could have known that, you know. 26:02 And as it was important then it is important now. 26:06 Now I want to touch on the couple of things 26:08 because there are two other books here, 26:10 I think Revelation came first? Yes. 26:12 Yes, Revelation came first and then 26:14 you got to do what you got to do. 26:17 You know that's true C.A, 26:20 but the truth of it is a person should study Daniel 26:25 before they study Revelation. 26:26 Very true. 26:28 But you went with Revelation first? 26:29 Yeah. 26:30 Well, you have done and of course 26:31 both of these have-- 26:32 you have DVD series that you've done on 3ABN. 26:36 Are you giving any thought to maybe doing a sanctuary? 26:38 Well, we thought some about it, yes, and I'd like too. 26:43 I think that we could make a series 26:45 that would be very helpful on the sanctuary. 26:48 Praise the Lord. Praise God. 26:50 So we hope so. Yeah. 26:51 Your Revelation series was very well done 26:54 and it was a long series. 26:56 So how long did it take you to do the book? 26:59 To write it? The one on Revelation? 27:02 On Revelation. 27:03 Oh, probably a couple of years. 27:05 Couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. 27:06 Imagine. Praise the Lord. 27:08 We filmed Give me the Bible at 3ABN, 27:13 that took a solid year to film it. 27:15 Oh, yes. You remember? 27:16 That's true. Yes. 27:18 Took a whole year filming. 27:19 Yeah. 27:20 So we would do five sessions once a month 27:24 and then you prepare the next ones and come back. 27:27 We'd be at 8 to 3 in the beginning. 27:28 You did 60 sessions. 27:30 That's right, every two weeks we were at 3ABN, you know. 27:34 Yeah. So it took a while. 27:36 And that was a blessing. Is a blessing. 27:37 It was. It was. It's a great series. 27:40 We have tremendous response on it, 27:42 so we are thankful for that. 27:44 And I personally think that our people 27:50 need to hear sermons on Daniel, Revelation and sanctuary. 27:58 I don't mean by that that's the only ones 28:01 but they should receive sermons, 28:04 our people should on those subjects 28:06 because they are reassuring, 28:07 they are helpful to the people to prepare their hearts 28:11 and help them be ready for the Lord's coming, 28:14 you know. 28:15 Your biography, autobiography is there also, very well done. 28:20 I've read it with pencil in hand 28:22 because it's hard for me to read a book without making 28:24 little underlines, little notes. 28:26 Do you know how many books you've written, Elder? 28:29 About seven now. 28:32 Usually on doctrinal things? 28:35 Well, more on doctrinal things than anything else. 28:38 Yeah. Yeah. Anything else, yeah. 28:40 Yeah. 28:41 Really, really, well done. 28:45 And you don't-- I will say this, 28:47 don't mind waiting into the tough stuff. 28:49 You know, there is some little controversy 28:51 at the back end of Daniel and then 28:53 you got some controversy in the middle of Revelation 28:56 and you don't skip over that stuff. 28:57 You weighed right, weighed right into it. 28:59 You know, I just want to say this. 29:02 You can study it 29:04 and you can come to the place where you feel like 29:06 you have a grasp on what it's saying, you know, 29:10 but you have to understand that's not the final word. 29:13 You know, you have to understand that 29:15 there maybe something you'll learn in the future 29:18 that changes your concept about that. 29:20 And I think people who write a book and think that's last 29:25 and final word are missing the point, you know. 29:29 Sure, I hope what I've written is helpful to people 29:32 but I don't believe for any minutes 29:34 that these are the final word on it, on the subject. 29:39 And there are some people who have 29:40 very, very strong convictions that if you don't believe 29:42 like they believe well, you are in trouble. 29:45 I don't buy that. 29:47 I just don't buy that. 29:48 I think you have, you need to read and understand 29:51 until you are clear but that doesn't mean you can't learn, 29:56 you know, and so we keep trying, 29:58 trying to learn more and more. 30:00 I've written one called "Daily Devotional Diary" 30:04 which is just really for people's devotion on that. 30:08 I've written another one 30:09 "Quick Answers to Bible Questions" 30:11 and those are different books I've written other than these. 30:15 And I just finished one for Pacific Press 30:20 that will be coming out here I guess this year. 30:24 What's the name of that book? 30:26 I called it, I titled it, I'm not sure 30:29 that will stay that Jim, 30:30 because it's their book not mine 30:33 but I called it the 7, 7, the Four Winds of Revelation 7. 30:38 Okay. 30:39 Four Winds of Revelation 7 30:41 And it's a book about current events. 30:43 What's happening and what's taking place now, 30:46 you know. 30:47 So we try to do that-- and I only do those books 30:51 that's kind of Lord lays it on my heart. 30:55 Are you one who at this point 30:57 and I follow strange events pretty much 30:59 particular as they effect what we know 31:01 as the prophetic landscape? 31:02 Do you sort of keep your, 31:04 your finger on the pulse of that stuff? 31:05 I have studied prophecy long enough, C.A., 31:08 that I couldn't do anything otherwise, 31:11 you know. 31:12 It is that you study it and you know 31:15 what it's saying and you see it happen and you say, 31:18 you better get your heart right, 31:20 the Lord is coming. 31:21 You know, better, better wake up. 31:24 Now I've never seen you though as an alarmist, 31:26 I mean, when I say that 31:28 there are some preachers every time 31:31 the Catholic Church needs is they catch cold. 31:33 You know, you kind of think that, 31:34 you know, you got that whole kind of mindset 31:36 but I think if you lay back 31:38 and kind of look at the big picture, 31:40 it keeps you from becoming crazy every time 31:42 there is a little itch or sneeze 31:44 some place in the world. 31:45 Right and there are events that have to take place 31:49 and you can see whether those events are taking place 31:52 and there is events they are in the future, you know. 31:55 And so when people start trying to predict, 31:58 this is gonna happen in a certain time. 32:01 No, you can't do that. 32:03 This is impossible but you can say 32:05 yeah, it's happening, 32:07 it's getting, the time is drawing near. 32:10 You know, you can't do that. 32:11 You know there are some people 32:13 who not only don't see that things are happening, 32:17 they don't realize when they have already happened. 32:20 So at least if you cannot predict 32:23 this is gonna happen, 32:25 you ought to recognize when it does or when it has 32:28 so that you are not left out in the cold 32:31 when it comes to understanding biblical events 32:34 and prophecy in the last days. 32:36 As Christ told disciples 32:38 I have shown these things to you 32:40 so that when they take place you could believe 32:44 and so studying prophecy should help me understand that 32:47 and be ready to know where I'm and where I'm going, you know. 32:51 When you look at our world today, 32:54 and I'm not asking you to predict the time 32:57 when Christ will return because I know you wouldn't 33:00 and that wouldn't be proper even to ask, 33:04 but we see things happening so rapidly 33:09 and have you ever in your lifetime 33:12 seen it this way before? 33:14 Never. Never, Jim. 33:17 I have never seen violence in the world as it is today. 33:22 Yeah. 33:23 We live in a very violent world 33:26 and you know, things that are happening 33:29 and taking place that Revelation 13, 33:33 Revelation 17 lay out clearly, 33:36 you see those things taking place 33:39 and you can just put it down they are taking place. 33:42 And this never happened in the past. 33:45 This wasn't there. 33:46 They can't say well, that happened. 33:48 No, that didn't happened in the past. 33:50 They are happening now and we have to, 33:53 have to recognize that. 33:54 You know, here in America 33:55 we get so accustomed to the violence 33:59 and it's not publicized all that much 34:02 and often times we think, 34:04 all the violence is like in the Middle East. 34:07 The truth of the matter is if you-- 34:09 let's take a country like Israel, 34:11 there will be around 20 violent deaths a year, 34:16 that's for 6 million people. 34:19 There are about 6 million people 34:20 in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex 34:24 and there are 20 violent deaths a weekend there. 34:30 There are at least 50 times as many violent deaths 34:36 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area as there are in a place 34:39 where we think of as being violent 34:41 with the same population. 34:44 We have become so accustomed to it 34:47 that it really does not even register with this anymore. 34:52 That's right. It's correct. 34:53 And of course the press is very-- 34:58 they like the sensational things so 35:00 if anything does happen there, they make a big deal out of it. 35:04 But it is amazing that how much it is blown out of proportion 35:09 but in our own country, our own place, 35:12 the violence in New York and Chicago 35:15 and Dallas and Los Angels is so horrific 35:21 and we have just gone accustom to it. 35:24 It's like the frog in the boiling water. 35:27 Absolutely. 35:28 The water gets hotter and hotter, 35:30 the frog doesn't recognize it 35:31 because he is sitting there until he is cooked. 35:35 Yeah. 35:36 And you know what, first year and I'm just of course 35:40 doing my devotions and I'm in Genesis. 35:43 I usually try to go through the Bible every year 35:45 and I just finished reading about Noah 35:48 and it says God looked down and mankind was violent. 35:53 Yeah. 35:54 You know, I thought Lord, You are looking down? 35:57 Right. 35:58 You know, what's gonna happen? 36:00 Where are we? Yes. 36:02 And it's the assurance that you find in the sanctuary 36:06 that let you know that Christ is there with you. 36:08 He will be with you all the time 36:10 and that you can just depend on Him. 36:14 You know, it had to be and same things today 36:17 if people would accept it, 36:18 it had to be a wonderful feeling 36:21 to bring the lamb to the court and to offer it for your sins. 36:27 The priest taking the lamb 36:29 and putting on the altar of sacrifice, 36:32 carrying the blood into the sanctuary 36:34 and placing it on the altar of incense 36:37 and know, walk away from the sanctuary 36:40 knowing that all your sins had been forgiven, 36:43 clean, you know totally. 36:45 Yeah, that's right. It had to be. 36:47 I mean great assurance. 36:49 You know, Kenneth, you are talking about the lamb. 36:52 Did they just go out in the flock 36:54 and just pick any lamb? 36:56 No. Tell us about the lamb? 36:58 The lamb was required to be 37:02 without spot and without blemish. 37:04 It had to be perfect, the best they can tell 37:07 to be offered 37:08 and even had to be examined by the priest 37:11 before it was offered. 37:15 For instance what has always moved me 37:18 and I don't know Jim, 37:21 whether this is kind of fable or it's actual 37:23 but I think it is foundation found in scripture. 37:27 When they offered the Passover lamb, 37:29 the Passover lamb had to be perfect. 37:33 It had to be without spot and without blemish. 37:36 But they were required to go and find a lamb 37:40 on the tenth day of the month 37:43 and to bring it home and keep it there at the house 37:48 until the 14th day before it was offered 37:52 given the children a chance to play with it 37:55 so that lamb didn't-- couldn't be offered 37:58 without there being some attachment 38:01 and feeling towards it, you know. 38:03 It just was there. 38:05 So that lamb became part of the family? 38:07 Yes. 38:08 And was a little difference than just picking any lamb. 38:14 You can imagine a child pleading with his parents 38:17 not to take its life. 38:18 Yeah. 38:19 You know that is a facet that I was not aware of. 38:23 you know, I think you go to a temple 38:24 you go to one or two lamb sellers outside, 38:26 they'll try to sell the one out to you, 38:27 you pick up the lamb and you're going to do 38:28 what you got to do, 38:30 but there is no emotional investment to that, 38:32 financial cost certainly but I don't know 38:34 but when you've got a pet, a friend, 38:38 now it's kind of getting inside 38:40 and that's what the Lord had to surrender 38:41 when Christ went on the cross. 38:43 And it's interesting there in Revelation 38:45 where it talks of the lamb, Revelation 4 says 38:50 the actual scripture for the word lamb there 38:54 is little pet lamb. 38:57 Wow. It's powerful. 39:00 You know, it just, you learn so much in the sanctuary, 39:04 it brings things together and helps you understand 39:07 where we are, understand the timeline. 39:13 You know, you begin to see and understand the time 39:16 and where we are, what's happening up in heaven, 39:19 the investigative judgment is taking place there. 39:23 You know, I've heard people say well, 39:24 you can't prove the investigative judgment 39:26 by the 8th and 9th chapter of Daniel. 39:30 And I will say, right. 39:34 But you can prove the investigative judgment 39:36 by the 7th chapter of Daniel. 39:38 No question, you know, and as you see that 39:42 and understand it in the light of the sanctuary, 39:45 man, it makes it all come to life. 39:48 You can see it and see what's happening 39:50 and what's taking place there. 39:52 You know, just to talk about violence in the world. 39:55 Probably while you were talking, 39:57 viewers may have been able to hear a fighter jet overhead 40:01 and we are hear near an airbase in Surprise, Arizona 40:07 and you hear these fighter jets taking off every little bit. 40:11 It helps you realize 40:13 these planes were not created to go out and have fun in. 40:20 That's right. 40:21 These are killing machines 40:23 that have been designed for that 40:26 and when you hear them take off and hear the power, 40:29 you can stand outside here and you cannot see them 40:34 because you are looking at the sound 40:36 and they are way ahead of the sound. 40:38 You got to-- if you're just fortunate 40:41 to look at way ahead of the sound, 40:43 you may be able to see one of them. 40:45 It's amazing. Back to our subject now. 40:48 Start us out in the outer court 40:52 and bring us to that sanctuary in just a quick moment. 40:57 What happens out in the outer court? 40:59 The outer court, the person brings a lamb, 41:03 they are met in the court by the priest 41:06 and they place their hands on the head of that lamb 41:09 and they confess their sins. 41:11 Okay. 41:12 Then the life of the lamb is taken. 41:14 They split its throat. 41:16 The priest catches the blood, the body of the lamb 41:20 as I mentioned with the fat taken out 41:22 is placed on the altar of sacrifice 41:24 with the fat and burned 41:26 and the priest carries the blood into the tabernacle. 41:30 Okay. 41:31 Then he takes this blood to the altar of incense. 41:36 All right, now that is moved now 41:37 from the outer court into the holy place? 41:40 Holy place of the tabernacle. 41:41 All right. And so what does he do there? 41:43 In the tabernacle, he takes the blood 41:46 and touches it to the horns of the altar. 41:50 Now there's always been some question 41:52 about the horns of the altar. 41:54 I maintain that that horns of the altar 41:58 was a place of protection. 42:00 Because you remember when Solomon said, 42:03 go get rid of Joab. 42:05 Remember it says he went to the sanctuary 42:07 and got both horns, horns of the altar. 42:09 Right. And so-- 42:11 but they touch the blood 42:14 to the horns of the altar confessing the person's sin. 42:17 Now normally the person would not be allowed 42:19 to go in there, right? 42:20 That's right, just the priest. 42:21 So it was just the-- if you are going there, 42:24 going there you better grab those horns? 42:26 Yes. Okay. 42:27 Right. All right. 42:28 Now what else was in that holy place? 42:30 In holy place was the altar-- 42:32 excuse me was the seven golden candlesticks. 42:34 All right. Now what did that represented? 42:36 And seven golden candlesticks they are represented 42:39 for light of God as He gave in us what Christ said, 42:44 I'm the light of the world. Right. 42:46 It represented Christ and it was seven-- 42:51 seven branches menorah, 42:55 the Jewish people they use even today. 42:57 And that represented the Holy Spirit 43:01 because the oil was put in there 43:04 and burned in it constantly. 43:07 It was always never to go out. 43:09 Now even though it represented the Holy Spirit, 43:11 it also represented Jesus says the light of the world. 43:13 Oh, yes. Yeah. 43:14 Everything as we look at the sanctuary service, 43:19 everything almost has a dual application. 43:21 It may look at the word, the Word of God 43:25 but Jesus says I'm the bread of life. 43:27 Yes. Right? 43:28 And so you have the table of showbread. 43:30 So Jesus is represented by 43:32 every, everything in the sanctuary. 43:35 Every detail. Every detail. 43:38 Even though it may also represent the Bible, 43:40 the word, the Holy Spirit etcetera 43:42 but there is a dual application that points you to Jesus. 43:46 And on the table of showbread was the bread 43:53 and the priest could eat of that bread, 43:55 you know, and this is exactly what Christ is talking about 43:59 when He says, "Unless you eat my flesh, 44:02 drink My blood, 44:03 you cannot make it in the kingdom of heaven." 44:04 Right. Right. 44:06 Just the symbolism is there so much. 44:09 Okay, now this will be a daily situation 44:11 except was it done on Sabbath as well? 44:14 Yes. There was. Yes. 44:16 So it's a daily offering of the sacrifice 44:20 and presenting the blood there on the altar. 44:23 In fact, the bread on the table of showbread 44:26 was only changed on Sabbath. 44:27 Is that right? Yeah. 44:28 All right, now we will go in the most holy place. 44:31 How often do you go in the most holy place? 44:34 The high priest only could go in once a year. 44:38 Once a year. 44:39 Yeah. Once a year. 44:41 All right, now what does he do 44:42 when he goes into the most holy place? 44:44 Well, he offers a lamb, they had a goat, 44:47 they cast lots and one became the Lord's goat, 44:51 one became the scapegoat and they sacrificed it 44:57 and then he takes the blood of that 44:59 and makes his way into the most holy place 45:02 and there goes before the ark 45:05 and there on the ark you have the cherubims, 45:09 the two cherubims 45:10 and who are looking down at the altar of-- 45:15 excuse me the altar there and then in between that 45:20 is where you have the mercy seat. 45:22 And there at the mercy seat 45:24 is where the Shekinah glory of God dwells. 45:26 Wow. 45:27 And he met there 45:29 and that's where he offered 45:31 the blood from the Lord's goat and-- 45:36 Once a year. 45:37 Once a year and just think about me-- 45:41 my thinking about it, Jim, makes me tremble 45:45 to think of what priest going in there, 45:47 you could have-- 45:48 you know, where the Shekinah glory was and-- 45:51 The very presence of God. 45:53 He had to have every sin confessed 45:56 before he went there. 45:57 In fact, he offered bullocks for himself 45:59 and his family before he went in. 46:00 Before he went in. 46:01 So that every sin was confessed. 46:03 And there was a cord tied to his leg 46:06 so that if he died they could pull him out. 46:10 Yeah. Yeah. 46:12 And one of the things that we see religion see 46:18 that earmarks our days that is fear. 46:21 I mean people are afraid of-- 46:22 they are afraid to open their doors, 46:23 they are afraid to be alone, they are afraid to in crows, 46:25 they are afraid of their jobs, 46:27 they are afraid of so many things 46:29 accompanied by and just an overwhelming disrespect, 46:33 lack of respect for human life. 46:36 Some women are strapped abound to have brought 46:38 and walk into a public place and you know there is this, 46:41 this lack of respect even as we've been sitting here 46:44 same things on the news. 46:46 Does the sanctuary give any comfort to a person 46:49 who is just-- 46:51 they are afraid all of the time, 46:52 they don't know where they are, 46:53 they don't know what they are doing 46:55 and they are part of this fear cycle 46:57 that is being influenced. 46:58 Does it give any comfort, 46:59 does it have anything to say to a person in that, 47:01 in that frame of mind? 47:03 C.A., there were seven annual feast 47:05 that they came to at the sanctuary 47:08 and those seven annual feast 47:11 one of the feast of trumpets was strictly 47:17 to rejoice and know that Christ is with you 47:20 and comforts you and gives you peace 47:22 that's what, what it was all about. 47:24 And many of the others also were feast 47:28 in which you were to receive peace from. 47:31 And so they-- you know, Christ had promised, 47:36 He said, "My peace I give you. My peace I leave with you." 47:40 And that is taught in the sanctuary there. 47:43 They can find peace there 47:45 that they will find in no other place. 47:47 Praise God. Praise God. 47:48 Yeah. 47:49 It is a fabulous work and again 47:52 I see it's a little thinner than some of your books. 47:55 You didn't turn it into war and peace. 47:57 You kind of got in there and got through it, 47:59 so that it can be read in maybe one or two sittings. 48:02 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 48:03 They can definitely. Yeah. 48:05 And that's what I wanted. 48:07 I didn't want them have to be bogged down 48:09 and, you know, just to be able to read it. 48:12 Come out and say okay, I know what the sanctuary is about. 48:15 So that's why they are done. And it's-- 48:21 Did it cover the judgment in this? 48:23 Yes. You did cover? 48:25 There's a whole chapter on it. On the judgment. 48:27 All right, investigative judgment? 48:29 Yes. All right. 48:31 There is a chapter on that in it. 48:35 My granddaughter is a graphic artist so her-- 48:40 I had her illustrate the whole book. 48:42 Oh, wow. 48:43 So she is the one that illustrated it. 48:45 Okay. 48:46 I think Jim tried to get you and I caught you off earlier 48:49 on the program to just outline 48:50 or read the chapter titles for us. 48:52 Why don't you do that real quick 48:53 so they can know what they are gonna get 48:56 even when they get-- get to the store to buy it. 49:08 The chapter titles are, The Court, 49:14 The Altar of Sacrifice and the Lamb of God, 49:17 The Laver and the Water of life, 49:19 Priesthood and the Levites, Tabernacle, 49:23 Golden Table of Showbread, Golden Lambs Stands, 49:27 The Golden Altar of Incense, Veils, 49:30 The Most Holy Place, The Ark of the Covenant, 49:33 Israel's Annual Feast, Christ Our High Priest, 49:37 Incredible Prophecy and New Jerusalem. 49:40 Amen. Those are the titles. 49:42 So you've really gone through step by step sequentially, 49:45 every specific article and what it meant 49:48 so that when I'm finished reading that, 49:50 I've got a pretty good handle 49:51 on the doctrine of the sanctuary. 49:53 You should have. Yeah. 49:54 You should have, C.A. 49:55 It should be, you should be able 49:56 to sit down and read your Bible 49:57 when it talks about certain things 49:59 understand what it's talking about. 50:01 All right. 50:02 Now they can order this from you-- 50:05 And from your ministry or they can order it from 3ABN 50:09 and or it's possibly available at a Christian bookstores 50:14 that also that they might check there. 50:18 But if you wish to contact Kenneth Cox, 50:23 this is how that you can contact him. 50:30 If you would like to learn more about this ministry, 50:33 then you may do so by writing to Kenneth Cox Ministries, 50:36 P.O. Box 1027, Loma Linda, CA 92354. 50:42 That's Kenneth Cox Ministries, 50:44 P.O. Box 1027, Loma Linda, CA 92354. 50:50 You can call 888-747-1844, 50:54 that's 888-747-1844. 50:58 You can also visit his website 50:59 and order online at kennethcoxministries.org. 51:04 That's kennethcoxministries.org. |
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