I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C.A. Murray
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and let me thank you
once again for sharing
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just a little bit of your
no doubt busy day with us.
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So thank you, for
your love, your prayers
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and your support of 3ABN.
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We realize we
could not do what we do
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unless we have your partnership.
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So we thank you,
so very, very much.
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Very special program today.
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First of all we
are coming to you from
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outside of our 3ABN studios.
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We are in Surprise, Arizona
and I say because I'm joined
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by our president and
my good friend Jim Gilley.
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Jim, good to have you
here. Good to be here.
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And we've got a
very special guest.
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Yes, we do.
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Who has yet another book,
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he has become rather
prolific in last several years.
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He's always been
prolific but he's been
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pro-prolific dare I
say in the last little bit.
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Ken Cox is with us again
and he's got a brand new book
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that we want to talk about
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because we are very,
very excited about it
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and it joins a series
of books that are really
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timely information
for God's people, Jim.
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You know, I'm not sure
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that I have the
exact record and numbers
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but I believe that Kenneth
Cox has probably spoken on 3ABN
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more than any other speaker
who is not a part of our staff.
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And so when you
watch 3ABN you often
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are confronted with
the ministry of Kenneth Cox
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and I say confronted
from this standpoint,
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Kenneth makes you think.
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He does.
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And when he presents
a subject, a doctrine
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he himself has
done a lot of thinking,
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a lot of
planning, a lot of studying.
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I've been privileged
at times to be nearby
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when he was preparing a
series and I want to tell you
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he is the most
highly organized individual
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that I've ever known.
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There is only one other person
that even comes close to him
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in my book as
far as organization
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and he can study a
subject more thoroughly
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than any
individual that I've ever met.
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So when he told me
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that he was going to
prepare a book on the sanctuary,
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I got excited about it, C.A.
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Yeah, it's an excited thing.
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There are couple of
names that you tend to hear
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as you will know, when you
talk about the spiritual gift
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to make the complex plain.
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You hear Doug
Batchelor, you hear Ken Cox.
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These are men who can take
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what can be
fairly weighty subjects
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and make them digestible
dare I say for the common man--
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And then Ken Cox is
writing does that also.
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Absolutely. So we
welcome you, Kenneth.
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Thank you.
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We are so happy because
you are joining with us.
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Kenneth, good to
have you with us.
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And in case some of
you may have tuned in
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and you do not know Kenneth Cox.
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He has held evangelistic series
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all over the
known world pretty much.
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Australia, South
America, even into Russia,
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of course here in
the United States.
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I know that John
Carter one time told me,
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he said, you know, John
said, I hold two meetings a year
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and he says I just spin
myself in those two meetings
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but at that time
Kenneth was holding at least
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six full evangelistic
meetings every year.
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And I remember
John saying to me,
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I just don't know how he does it
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because it
requires so much energy
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to do one of these
large city wide crusades.
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There is so much to it
than just the speaking.
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You have a lot of
counseling, lot of visiting,
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a lot of other
commitments that come to you
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in a meeting like that.
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And so I along
with John Carter marvel
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at the energy that
God has given this man.
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About how many of these
series have you conducted now?
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Do you have an estimation?
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Jim.
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Two hundred I would
imagine. Yeah, at least 200.
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I don't have any idea,
never try to keep counting.
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Because I have held a hundred
and I know you've doubled me
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at least with the number
of meetings that you held.
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At least 200.
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You know, I think just
as the pastoral calling
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is a specific gift,
obviously the call to evangelism
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is a specific gift for
which God equips the men
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and they are not the same.
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No.
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Evangelists don't
always make good pastors.
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And pastors don't
always make good evangelists.
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They are two separate gifts.
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Absolutely. Yeah. I's rare.
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Sometimes you'll
find a unique individual
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who does pretty well at both
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but usually that is
rare and far between.
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I think Kenneth would
have been a good pastor
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or evangelist but he
felt so called to evangelism
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that he was wanting
to be here and there
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and holding more meetings.
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I don't know how to
explain it, it's just the fire
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and you want to go out
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and proclaim the
message, you know.
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It's just what the Lord
gives you, He puts in you.
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You know, the
subject of the sanctuary,
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Kenneth, is a subject
that is really vital for today.
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Because one of the things that
happen with the Jewish people
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is that they lost sight
of the sanctuary service.
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The reason they missed Jesus
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is that they did not
truly understand the sanctuary.
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That's right.
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And I believe
that a lot of people
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are missing Jesus today
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because they don't
understand the sanctuary
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and if the sanctuary
gives us the full understanding
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of the ministry of Jesus Christ.
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Absolutely.
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So let's get into
the book a little bit
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and I want you to tell us some--
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about some of the chapters,
some of the things that
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you talk about in that book.
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I have two things before you
start and not to cut you off.
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What did you see as
lacking in the church
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that drove you
to write that book
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because Jim articulated
I think very, very well.
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Did you feel that
same way about our church
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as far as losing its own hold
on one of our key doctrines?
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Well, I felt the
things that were vital
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to us as a church was
the Three Angels' Messages.
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Felt we needed to know
those, understand them,
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understand that we are
not like any other church
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that we are
specially called people
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to proclaim a
particular message to the world.
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And I felt you can't do
that, you can't understand it
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unless you can understand
Daniel and Revelation.
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You got to have
kind of hold on those
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and then you are not
really gonna understand
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Daniel and Revelation
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unless you
understand the sanctuary.
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And so that was my
reason for writing it.
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It just bothered me,
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I went back and
read book after book.
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But many books
which are great books
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are dissertations that thick
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and I thought
average men on the streets
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is not gonna dig through that.
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Just not gonna do it.
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So I said, let's
put out something there
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that they can
read and understand,
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that will explain it to them.
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And so that was
the reason for it.
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You titled your
series and we have them here
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"Daniel, Revelation and
Sanctuary Pure and Simple."
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Why pure and simple?
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Well, I wanted it to
be what the Bible taught,
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pure in what the Bible taught
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and in the average Jobs language
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that you can
understand, you know,
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I didn't want put in
lot of theological terms
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and that kind of stuff
which you can do, you know.
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It depends on how you say it.
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You know, you can say
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don't count your chickens
for the hatchery, you can say
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don't count your feather progeny
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before the time of incubation
is fully being consummated.
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Yeah, it just depends
on how you want to say it.
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And so I want to make it simple
so they can understand it.
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How long did it take you
to do that, do that writing?
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On sanctuary?
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Took me about a
year. About a year.
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And of course that was writing
Daniel and Revelation both
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and the Sanctuary
just something that God
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put on my heart
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and that was writing I
as I felt I needed to--
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other words
says it, I was moved,
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I had to be in the
right mood to write it.
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It wasn't something I
probably could have written
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the book if I
would have, you know,
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sat down and stayed
after hour and after,
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I didn't want to do that.
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I want to write it
so that we are not--
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was moved on the
subject I could write about it.
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So that's what we did.
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Now, Jim, threw out a number
for you about 200 meetings,
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about a 100 for himself,
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only about half
that maybe 45 meetings,
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the burden to make it
simple in these last days
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and I think you can
respond to that too little bit.
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As an evangelist you wanted--
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you want the
people to understand
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what you are saying.
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You don't want to
keep it above their heads,
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you want to feed them.
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So I guess that made its way
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into everything you
put into that book also.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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That's the purpose.
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And it's written so that for--
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I didn't intend for
this day be what's happening.
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I wrote the book like I
said for the average individual
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but I found that as
the book finished up
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that it became a great
book for church study groups.
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Because it has 15 chapters in it
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and they can take one a week
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as a study group and take
them through the sanctuary
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and it's written so
a person can read it
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and also discuss it.
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So I think if a
church wants to study
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the sanctuary this is
the great way to study it.
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Now back to Jim's question.
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I apologize for
sort of jumping in there.
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Walk us through some
of the chapters and what
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we are actually looking
at once we get into the book.
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Well, I tried to just
go through the sanctuary.
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That's what I
tried to do in the book.
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So I start right at the
beginning with the court
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and I just simply explain
about the court what it was,
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you know, and how the
court was around the tabernacle
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and I talk about the
altar, the brazen altar,
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the altar of sacrifice
and I talk about the laver
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and I talk about
what they were like,
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what they look
like and what they meant
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and how they apply to us today,
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you know, and so we
make that application.
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For instance if I'm
talking about the laver,
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I go back and what Jesus said,
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I'm the water of life
and talk about how that,
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there is something there.
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This in the sanctuary
served us without a doubt
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which Jim talked about is
the greatest gospel lesson
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in the Old Testament.
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I mean, it lays out
the plan of salvation
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clearer than anything else.
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There were, you know,
I will tell you something
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I ran into as I was studying
and I had never caught it before
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and I couldn't understand it
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and that is where
it speaks about them
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offering a sacrifice of fat.
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For instance when
they killed the lamb,
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the individual was not only
responsible to lay his hands
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on the head of the
lamb and take its life
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but also before they offered it,
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the priest cut it open
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and it was that person
individual to take the fat out.
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Had to take all the fat out
of the lamb and put that on a--
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on the altar and burn it.
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And then the scripture says it
was a sweet aroma to the Lord.
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Burning fat has
never been a sweet aroma.
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You know, it isn't.
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So what does it
mean when it says
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it was a sweet
aroma to the Lord?
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Well, fat is a symbol of sin
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and it was taken all the
fat out of the body of the lamb
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and burned it, disposing
of it, getting rid of it
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as a symbol of sin how
God is gonna get rid of sin.
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So it had a great,
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that was a sweet
aroma to the Lord, you know.
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Very powerful.
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I've always felt that
and I've thought that,
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I'm some sure
you guys add to that,
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when since the
children of Israel
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were probably
most part illiterate.
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When they went to the sanctuary,
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when they went to
church, when they assembled
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they were also going to school
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that God was
teaching them and I don't know
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if there is a more
highly symbolic reality
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than the sanctuary.
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Everything was a
lesson, every color, every,
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you know, every text,
everything was a lesson.
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So in your study I
guess you found that also.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
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Lessons in there almost
you can continually go back
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and study and study
and you learn and you learn
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and you learn over and over.
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And so anyhow, I just take
the people through the court
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and explain what it means,
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I'll go and
explain the tabernacle.
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And explain the tabernacle
and the first compartment
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and second compartment
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and what each piece
of furniture represented
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and how it applied and
even as you get into the veil
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and the colors in the veil
and all had symbolic meaning.
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They represented something
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and so it was a
lesson to all of the people
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as they went
through it and learned
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what it was all about.
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The sanctuary
inside was gorgeous.
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I mean, really gorgeous.
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For a portable tabernacle
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it's almost more than you
can describe in its beauty.
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I mean, if you could
imagine walking in this room
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and here is golden
panels all the way around it
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and the light reflecting on it,
it just it was gorgeous in it.
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But this
interesting thing about it is,
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they had these
four different coverings
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put over the top of it
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and those went clear
over it and down to the ground
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and they were
everything but beautiful.
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So when you
looked at the sanctuary
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from the outside,
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didn't look like anything at all
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and I think there
was two reasons for that.
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I think one, it kept people
from trying to raid the camp
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and take it that so
they put these skins over it
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and just the badger's
skin just a dull brown,
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it was over the whole thing,
you know, so it didn't look.
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But you had to go inside,
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when you went inside
that whole picture changed,
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okay.
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Very, very
descriptive of Christ.
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Say, it says that we had, He had
no beauty that we desired Him
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and it's not the outward
thing that God looks upon
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but it's the heart, it's
not the outward appearance.
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And so those lessons
are over and over and over
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in the sanctuary and teaches,
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you know, that we need to
be concerned about our heart.
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And what's happening
there and what changes,
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it's not the outward appearance,
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its inward that
makes a big difference.
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We are as far as I know
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the only major
Protestant denomination
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that really teaches sanctuary
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as part of our
doctrinal package.
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I think it's our one
gift to systematic theology.
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Nobody has it like
we do. That's right.
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What is so
important about the sanctuary
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that God chose to plant
that in the heart of the
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Seventh-day Adventist
church and do so fairly early?
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Well, there are certain
biblical beliefs that we have
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that without the sanctuary
you couldn't believe Him.
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You know, you shouldn't
be able to understand Him
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that leaves you without it
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and one is like the
2,300 days in Daniel
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without the
sanctuary and understanding
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what went on
there and the sanctuary.
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you wouldn't understand it.
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See I have meeting
after meeting after meeting
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and people come up to me and say
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is there any hope for me?
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Can I be saved? Has
probation closed for me?
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And this type of thing.
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If you read and
understand the sanctuary
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you understand that the
door of mercy is still open
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and will stay
open until Jesus comes.
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For instance
when the high priest
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went into the sanctuary
on the Day of Atonement
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when he went there
and he parted the veil
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and went into
the most holy place,
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offered the blood there,
made the sacrifice and so--
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sacrifice and everything there.
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After he did that and I
never caught this before
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until I was studying this when
he came out of there to go out
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and put the sins
upon the scapegoat
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but when he came out
there, he didn't go directly,
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he went over to
the altar of incense
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and cleansed the
altar of incense,
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then he went out to
the altar of sacrifice
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and did a cleansing
on the altar of sacrifice
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before he place his
hands on the scapegoat.
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Showing that if there
was any sins committed after
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it happened there
in the most holy place
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there was still forgiveness.
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You know, and so it
answers the question,
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you know, is there hope for me?
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You better believe there is.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So it appears as
that one of the--
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dare I say side benefits
of the study of the sanctuary.
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Is that a kind of
places you will we are in time
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and lets you know kind of,
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well, not only
what's going on heaven
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but also what's
going on, on planet earth?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And certainly it
teaches and you understand it
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as you understand the
sanctuary that there is
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no such, such thing
as salvation by works.
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I mean, over and over
and over it stress the fact
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that this is
given as a gift to us
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through the Lord Jesus
Christ and they understood that.
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So when they lost sight of
that, they lost sight of it
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and they missed when Jesus came.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Do you think the world--
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that church is in danger
of losing sight of that again
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that we may be
slipping back into our works
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or into kind of mentality?
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Well, all I can say is
C.A., I've held lots of meetings
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and I find when we hold meetings
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our people know very
little about the sanctuary.
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You know, they
just-- it's just and I go--
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I'm sorry, I don't
mean this wrong in any way,
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but they don't
hear any sermons on it.
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I don't hear it being preached
and which to me it should be.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Maybe the Lord is
beginning to light a fire.
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I know Jim was at
GYC fairly recently
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and we heard a
powerful, passionate sermon
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by a young preacher on sanctuary
00:19:50.30\00:19:53.31
and so maybe the
Lord is lighting fires
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in different areas,
this book being one of those
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fires to say, hey, let's go back
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and find and rediscover
the old and make it new.
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Absolutely.
00:20:04.91\00:20:05.94
We need to and make
a big, big difference
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in people's relationship
with Christ that we would.
00:20:09.19\00:20:12.43
Yeah. I think and
I'm sure Jim would agree
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that it would also take a lot
of fear out of people's lives.
00:20:15.10\00:20:17.96
Yes.
00:20:17.99\00:20:19.36
Fear for themselves,
fear for their families,
00:20:19.39\00:20:21.94
fear what's going on in
heaven, fear how Christ use them
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and what Christ is doing
in their behalf even now.
00:20:24.72\00:20:26.99
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, it was
marvelous what took place there
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and what it meant in
all and when that priest
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went into the holy place,
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you know, and offered the
blood on the altar of sacrifice,
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I mean the altar of incense
and what the candlesticks
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stood for and the
table of showbread and all.
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It answers lots of questions.
00:20:52.82\00:20:55.91
And it helps the people
see and understand Christ,
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what He is doing up in
heaven in our behalf now.
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And you can't deny
00:21:04.53\00:21:05.99
when the Book of
Hebrew is full of it
00:21:06.02\00:21:08.56
about what Christ is
doing up in heaven now
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and it talks about Him
in the sense of the priest,
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you know.
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So yes, it has
to be something that
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that will help them
understand the gospel.
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Jim and I heard a message
not too long ago on this stage
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and one of things the pastor
was asking was the entire work
00:21:26.74\00:21:30.69
of atonement
finished at the cross
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and I think where
he was going with that
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is that there are some benefits
to what happened on the cross
00:21:35.75\00:21:38.47
that are being
ministered now in the sanctuary
00:21:38.50\00:21:41.35
and you don't understand that
00:21:41.38\00:21:42.99
until you look at
the whole sanctuary,
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the whole sanctuary message
00:21:44.47\00:21:45.86
and a whole loving the
cross certainly open the door,
00:21:45.89\00:21:50.21
but now there are benefits
to that death on the cross
00:21:50.24\00:21:52.46
that Christ is
ministering in our behalf.
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And without the cross,
there will be no, no sanctuary.
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Correct. I mean at all,
00:21:59.23\00:22:00.85
but the sanctuary is
now of course in the heaven
00:22:00.88\00:22:04.69
and that our--
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we do have a high priest
and it is Jesus Christ Himself.
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Lot of people are
looking for a temple
00:22:11.48\00:22:14.37
to be rebuilt in Israel.
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Bible does not teach that
00:22:16.81\00:22:19.61
and if they built
it, how would they--
00:22:19.64\00:22:22.45
what would they do it,
00:22:22.48\00:22:23.73
it wouldn't have a
high priest because
00:22:23.76\00:22:26.70
the choice of a high
priest is something that
00:22:26.73\00:22:30.67
just wouldn't happen today.
00:22:30.70\00:22:32.29
You couldn't even arrive
at who that person would be
00:22:32.32\00:22:36.75
and you don't have to do that
00:22:36.78\00:22:38.16
because we already
have a high priest,
00:22:38.19\00:22:40.76
it's Jesus Christ
our Lord and our God
00:22:40.79\00:22:45.24
and He is serving in
the sanctuary in heaven.
00:22:45.27\00:22:49.12
Because this
sanctuary here on earth
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was a pattern of
what that is in heaven.
00:22:51.84\00:22:55.83
That's right.
00:22:55.86\00:22:56.89
And that's, you know,
you either believe that
00:22:56.92\00:22:59.63
or you don't but
that's what the Bible says.
00:22:59.66\00:23:01.55
Yeah, and you can't, you
can't read the Book of Hebrews
00:23:01.58\00:23:05.11
and not face that.
00:23:05.14\00:23:07.25
You got to face that
there is a sanctuary in all--
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and one in the heaven
00:23:10.37\00:23:11.79
what you are
going to do with it?
00:23:11.82\00:23:13.36
You know, you
can't throw it out.
00:23:13.39\00:23:14.93
It's like throwing the
baby out with the bath water.
00:23:14.96\00:23:16.82
In fact, there is no
sanctuary on earth anymore.
00:23:16.85\00:23:20.09
It is in heaven. Yeah.
00:23:20.12\00:23:21.56
And there was, the reality
there was a sanctuary on earth,
00:23:21.59\00:23:25.66
it became the temple,
they moved that inside
00:23:25.69\00:23:29.42
and built a
permanent place for it
00:23:29.45\00:23:31.86
and the patter was
very similar to that--
00:23:31.89\00:23:34.76
in fact, the holy
place and most holy place
00:23:34.79\00:23:38.86
exact dimensions of what
00:23:38.89\00:23:40.78
the old sanctuary
was in the desert.
00:23:40.81\00:23:43.33
Yes, it's a same as the
sanctuary in the desert,
00:23:43.36\00:23:45.73
same as Solomon's temple.
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Right.
00:23:47.59\00:23:48.63
So then this is what the
Bible says is in heaven now
00:23:48.66\00:23:53.35
and our high priest
is serving for us there.
00:23:53.38\00:23:56.31
And what some people would
get tremendous comfort from
00:23:56.34\00:23:59.84
and great, great how
should I say it, peace of heart
00:23:59.87\00:24:04.22
now as the Bible says that
each one of us are to be priest
00:24:04.25\00:24:10.14
and in heaven it
says we will be priest
00:24:10.17\00:24:14.53
and because we were minister
there in the New Jerusalem.
00:24:14.56\00:24:18.57
It says there is
no temple in the city.
00:24:18.60\00:24:21.64
Why isn't there a
temple in the city?
00:24:21.67\00:24:23.97
Because the city is a temple,
00:24:24.00\00:24:27.32
that's why there
is not one in there.
00:24:27.35\00:24:28.56
It's the city itself is a temple
00:24:28.59\00:24:30.70
and you and I will work there
serving the Lord as priest.
00:24:30.73\00:24:35.98
Why?
00:24:36.01\00:24:37.22
Because we are the only
ones in the entire universe
00:24:37.25\00:24:40.80
that can understand, totally
and completely the grace of God
00:24:40.83\00:24:44.48
and what He has done for us
and so God has laid it upon us
00:24:44.51\00:24:48.43
to explain to the universe,
00:24:48.46\00:24:50.18
and to all the unfallen
worlds what the grace of God is.
00:24:50.21\00:24:54.47
Praise God for that.
00:24:54.50\00:24:55.53
You know, there are so much
evangelical thought and time
00:24:55.56\00:24:58.55
and energy put into
are they are gonna built it
00:24:58.58\00:25:00.89
or they are gonna tear
down the dome of the rock
00:25:00.92\00:25:02.44
or they are gonna put, you know,
00:25:02.47\00:25:03.53
and you realize once you
understand that sanctuary
00:25:03.56\00:25:06.32
is that even if they
did, it wouldn't mean anything
00:25:06.35\00:25:08.57
because action is in heaven.
00:25:08.60\00:25:10.09
You know, that's where
the action is right now.
00:25:10.12\00:25:12.36
If they fought with
the Muslim community
00:25:12.39\00:25:15.70
and tow everything down
and put a temple up there
00:25:15.73\00:25:17.77
doesn't mean anything because
Christ died once and for all.
00:25:17.80\00:25:20.93
The action is
now in heaven for us.
00:25:20.96\00:25:23.13
So you understand that
00:25:23.16\00:25:24.56
when you really understand
the sanctuary. You do.
00:25:24.59\00:25:27.49
Now that's how it
puts it, begins to,
00:25:27.52\00:25:29.23
it just brings
everything together for you.
00:25:29.26\00:25:32.04
Yeah, you see
things and understand
00:25:32.07\00:25:34.54
where is a sacrifice except
for one there was one other
00:25:34.57\00:25:38.61
but all the sacrifices
were offered in the court.
00:25:38.64\00:25:42.14
There was no sacrifice
offered in the tabernacle,
00:25:42.17\00:25:45.23
it's always in the court.
00:25:45.26\00:25:47.05
Well, Christ,
they had been watching
00:25:47.08\00:25:49.35
was to be
crucified outside the court.
00:25:49.38\00:25:54.29
See, that's what
it made it clear,
00:25:54.32\00:25:56.30
they could have
read the scripture
00:25:56.33\00:25:58.35
and known what was happening.
00:25:58.38\00:26:00.48
They could have
known that, you know.
00:26:00.51\00:26:02.77
And as it was important
then it is important now.
00:26:02.80\00:26:06.33
Now I want to touch
on the couple of things
00:26:06.36\00:26:08.83
because there are
two other books here,
00:26:08.86\00:26:10.76
I think
Revelation came first? Yes.
00:26:10.79\00:26:12.53
Yes, Revelation
came first and then
00:26:12.56\00:26:14.60
you got to do
what you got to do.
00:26:14.63\00:26:17.81
You know that's true C.A,
00:26:17.84\00:26:20.63
but the truth of it is a
person should study Daniel
00:26:20.66\00:26:25.27
before they study Revelation.
00:26:25.30\00:26:26.78
Very true.
00:26:26.81\00:26:28.40
But you went
with Revelation first?
00:26:28.43\00:26:29.46
Yeah.
00:26:29.49\00:26:30.52
Well, you have
done and of course
00:26:30.55\00:26:31.76
both of these have--
00:26:31.79\00:26:32.83
you have DVD series
that you've done on 3ABN.
00:26:32.86\00:26:36.48
Are you giving any thought
to maybe doing a sanctuary?
00:26:36.51\00:26:38.53
Well, we thought some
about it, yes, and I'd like too.
00:26:38.56\00:26:42.99
I think that we
could make a series
00:26:43.02\00:26:45.76
that would be very
helpful on the sanctuary.
00:26:45.79\00:26:48.57
Praise the Lord. Praise God.
00:26:48.60\00:26:50.02
So we hope so. Yeah.
00:26:50.05\00:26:51.69
Your Revelation
series was very well done
00:26:51.72\00:26:54.49
and it was a long series.
00:26:54.52\00:26:56.25
So how long did it
take you to do the book?
00:26:56.28\00:26:59.71
To write it? The
one on Revelation?
00:26:59.74\00:27:02.06
On Revelation.
00:27:02.09\00:27:03.57
Oh, probably a couple of years.
00:27:03.60\00:27:05.33
Couple of years. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:05.36\00:27:06.84
Imagine. Praise the Lord.
00:27:06.87\00:27:08.57
We filmed Give me
the Bible at 3ABN,
00:27:08.60\00:27:13.31
that took a
solid year to film it.
00:27:13.34\00:27:15.46
Oh, yes. You remember?
00:27:15.49\00:27:16.87
That's true. Yes.
00:27:16.90\00:27:18.22
Took a whole year filming.
00:27:18.25\00:27:19.31
Yeah.
00:27:19.34\00:27:20.37
So we would do five
sessions once a month
00:27:20.40\00:27:24.85
and then you prepare
the next ones and come back.
00:27:24.88\00:27:27.42
We'd be at 8 to
3 in the beginning.
00:27:27.45\00:27:28.57
You did 60 sessions.
00:27:28.60\00:27:29.97
That's right, every two
weeks we were at 3ABN, you know.
00:27:30.00\00:27:34.04
Yeah. So it took a while.
00:27:34.07\00:27:36.68
And that was a
blessing. Is a blessing.
00:27:36.71\00:27:37.96
It was. It was.
It's a great series.
00:27:37.99\00:27:40.16
We have
tremendous response on it,
00:27:40.19\00:27:42.56
so we are thankful for that.
00:27:42.59\00:27:44.77
And I personally
think that our people
00:27:44.80\00:27:50.23
need to hear sermons on Daniel,
Revelation and sanctuary.
00:27:50.26\00:27:58.23
I don't mean by
that that's the only ones
00:27:58.26\00:28:01.04
but they should receive sermons,
00:28:01.07\00:28:04.58
our people
should on those subjects
00:28:04.61\00:28:06.34
because they are reassuring,
00:28:06.37\00:28:07.96
they are helpful to the
people to prepare their hearts
00:28:07.99\00:28:11.00
and help them be
ready for the Lord's coming,
00:28:11.03\00:28:13.97
you know.
00:28:14.00\00:28:15.49
Your biography, autobiography
is there also, very well done.
00:28:15.52\00:28:20.60
I've read it with pencil in hand
00:28:20.63\00:28:22.84
because it's hard for me
to read a book without making
00:28:22.87\00:28:24.21
little underlines, little notes.
00:28:24.24\00:28:26.11
Do you know how many
books you've written, Elder?
00:28:26.14\00:28:28.99
About seven now.
00:28:29.02\00:28:32.40
Usually on doctrinal things?
00:28:32.43\00:28:33.85
Well, more on doctrinal
things than anything else.
00:28:35.91\00:28:38.39
Yeah. Yeah. Anything else, yeah.
00:28:38.42\00:28:40.23
Yeah.
00:28:40.26\00:28:41.57
Really, really, well done.
00:28:41.60\00:28:45.26
And you don't-- I will say this,
00:28:45.29\00:28:47.12
don't mind waiting
into the tough stuff.
00:28:47.15\00:28:49.92
You know, there is
some little controversy
00:28:49.95\00:28:51.70
at the back end
of Daniel and then
00:28:51.73\00:28:53.61
you got some controversy
in the middle of Revelation
00:28:53.64\00:28:56.12
and you don't
skip over that stuff.
00:28:56.15\00:28:57.33
You weighed right,
weighed right into it.
00:28:57.36\00:28:59.43
You know, I just
want to say this.
00:28:59.46\00:29:02.79
You can study it
00:29:02.82\00:29:04.48
and you can come to the
place where you feel like
00:29:04.51\00:29:06.80
you have a grasp on
what it's saying, you know,
00:29:06.83\00:29:09.99
but you have to understand
that's not the final word.
00:29:10.02\00:29:13.55
You know, you
have to understand that
00:29:13.58\00:29:15.86
there maybe something
you'll learn in the future
00:29:15.89\00:29:18.06
that changes your
concept about that.
00:29:18.09\00:29:20.84
And I think people who write
a book and think that's last
00:29:20.87\00:29:25.70
and final word are
missing the point, you know.
00:29:25.73\00:29:29.09
Sure, I hope what I've
written is helpful to people
00:29:29.12\00:29:32.02
but I don't
believe for any minutes
00:29:32.05\00:29:34.66
that these are the final
word on it, on the subject.
00:29:34.69\00:29:39.16
And there are
some people who have
00:29:39.19\00:29:40.23
very, very strong convictions
that if you don't believe
00:29:40.26\00:29:42.67
like they believe
well, you are in trouble.
00:29:42.70\00:29:45.83
I don't buy that.
00:29:45.86\00:29:47.15
I just don't buy that.
00:29:47.18\00:29:48.22
I think you have, you
need to read and understand
00:29:48.25\00:29:51.16
until you are clear but that
doesn't mean you can't learn,
00:29:51.19\00:29:56.25
you know, and so we keep trying,
00:29:56.28\00:29:58.41
trying to learn more and more.
00:29:58.44\00:30:00.91
I've written one called
"Daily Devotional Diary"
00:30:00.94\00:30:03.97
which is just really for
people's devotion on that.
00:30:04.00\00:30:08.19
I've written another one
00:30:08.22\00:30:09.53
"Quick Answers
to Bible Questions"
00:30:09.56\00:30:11.73
and those are different books
I've written other than these.
00:30:11.76\00:30:15.60
And I just finished
one for Pacific Press
00:30:15.63\00:30:20.51
that will be coming
out here I guess this year.
00:30:20.54\00:30:24.36
What's the name of that book?
00:30:24.39\00:30:26.85
I called it, I
titled it, I'm not sure
00:30:26.88\00:30:29.32
that will stay that Jim,
00:30:29.35\00:30:30.49
because it's their book not mine
00:30:30.52\00:30:33.11
but I called it the 7, 7,
the Four Winds of Revelation 7.
00:30:33.14\00:30:38.25
Okay.
00:30:38.28\00:30:39.31
Four Winds of Revelation 7
00:30:39.34\00:30:40.97
And it's a book
about current events.
00:30:41.00\00:30:43.41
What's happening and
what's taking place now,
00:30:43.44\00:30:46.29
you know.
00:30:46.32\00:30:47.54
So we try to do that--
and I only do those books
00:30:47.57\00:30:51.81
that's kind of Lord
lays it on my heart.
00:30:51.84\00:30:55.46
Are you one who at this point
00:30:55.49\00:30:57.15
and I follow
strange events pretty much
00:30:57.18\00:30:59.22
particular as they
effect what we know
00:30:59.25\00:31:01.77
as the prophetic landscape?
00:31:01.80\00:31:02.92
Do you sort of keep your,
00:31:02.95\00:31:04.05
your finger on the
pulse of that stuff?
00:31:04.08\00:31:05.83
I have studied
prophecy long enough, C.A.,
00:31:05.86\00:31:08.46
that I couldn't do
anything otherwise,
00:31:08.49\00:31:11.19
you know.
00:31:11.22\00:31:12.27
It is that you
study it and you know
00:31:12.30\00:31:15.52
what it's saying and you
see it happen and you say,
00:31:15.55\00:31:18.75
you better get your heart right,
00:31:18.78\00:31:20.52
the Lord is coming.
00:31:20.55\00:31:21.88
You know,
better, better wake up.
00:31:21.91\00:31:24.59
Now I've never seen
you though as an alarmist,
00:31:24.62\00:31:26.69
I mean, when I say that
00:31:26.72\00:31:28.82
there are some
preachers every time
00:31:28.85\00:31:31.15
the Catholic Church
needs is they catch cold.
00:31:31.18\00:31:33.19
You know, you
kind of think that,
00:31:33.22\00:31:34.57
you know, you got
that whole kind of mindset
00:31:34.60\00:31:36.83
but I think if you lay back
00:31:36.86\00:31:38.33
and kind of look
at the big picture,
00:31:38.36\00:31:40.03
it keeps you from
becoming crazy every time
00:31:40.06\00:31:42.96
there is a little itch or sneeze
00:31:42.99\00:31:44.32
some place in the world.
00:31:44.35\00:31:45.38
Right and there are
events that have to take place
00:31:45.41\00:31:49.56
and you can see whether
those events are taking place
00:31:49.59\00:31:52.29
and there is events they
are in the future, you know.
00:31:52.32\00:31:55.42
And so when people
start trying to predict,
00:31:55.45\00:31:58.15
this is gonna
happen in a certain time.
00:31:58.18\00:32:01.35
No, you can't do that.
00:32:01.38\00:32:02.99
This is
impossible but you can say
00:32:03.02\00:32:05.82
yeah, it's happening,
00:32:05.85\00:32:07.21
it's getting, the
time is drawing near.
00:32:07.24\00:32:10.37
You know, you can't do that.
00:32:10.40\00:32:11.90
You know there are some people
00:32:11.93\00:32:13.27
who not only don't see
that things are happening,
00:32:13.30\00:32:17.78
they don't realize when
they have already happened.
00:32:17.81\00:32:20.53
So at least if
you cannot predict
00:32:20.56\00:32:23.79
this is gonna happen,
00:32:23.82\00:32:25.24
you ought to recognize
when it does or when it has
00:32:25.27\00:32:28.50
so that you are not
left out in the cold
00:32:28.53\00:32:31.43
when it comes to
understanding biblical events
00:32:31.46\00:32:34.68
and prophecy in the last days.
00:32:34.71\00:32:36.77
As Christ told disciples
00:32:36.80\00:32:38.75
I have shown these things to you
00:32:38.78\00:32:40.52
so that when they take
place you could believe
00:32:40.55\00:32:43.98
and so studying prophecy
should help me understand that
00:32:44.01\00:32:47.54
and be ready to know where I'm
and where I'm going, you know.
00:32:47.57\00:32:51.85
When you look
at our world today,
00:32:51.88\00:32:54.89
and I'm not asking
you to predict the time
00:32:54.92\00:32:57.28
when Christ will return
because I know you wouldn't
00:32:57.31\00:33:00.60
and that wouldn't
be proper even to ask,
00:33:00.63\00:33:04.18
but we see things
happening so rapidly
00:33:04.21\00:33:08.97
and have you
ever in your lifetime
00:33:09.00\00:33:12.65
seen it this way before?
00:33:12.68\00:33:14.40
Never. Never, Jim.
00:33:14.43\00:33:17.75
I have never seen violence
in the world as it is today.
00:33:17.78\00:33:22.38
Yeah.
00:33:22.41\00:33:23.47
We live in a very violent world
00:33:23.50\00:33:26.22
and you know,
things that are happening
00:33:26.25\00:33:29.43
and taking place
that Revelation 13,
00:33:29.46\00:33:33.59
Revelation 17 lay out clearly,
00:33:33.62\00:33:36.46
you see those
things taking place
00:33:36.49\00:33:39.38
and you can just put it
down they are taking place.
00:33:39.41\00:33:42.74
And this never
happened in the past.
00:33:42.77\00:33:45.85
This wasn't there.
00:33:45.88\00:33:46.91
They can't say
well, that happened.
00:33:46.94\00:33:48.27
No, that didn't
happened in the past.
00:33:48.30\00:33:50.36
They are happening
now and we have to,
00:33:50.39\00:33:53.11
have to recognize that.
00:33:53.14\00:33:54.69
You know, here in America
00:33:54.72\00:33:55.86
we get so
accustomed to the violence
00:33:55.89\00:33:59.07
and it's not
publicized all that much
00:33:59.10\00:34:02.72
and often times we think,
00:34:02.75\00:34:04.84
all the violence is
like in the Middle East.
00:34:04.87\00:34:07.77
The truth of the
matter is if you--
00:34:07.80\00:34:09.57
let's take a
country like Israel,
00:34:09.60\00:34:11.79
there will be around
20 violent deaths a year,
00:34:11.82\00:34:16.20
that's for 6 million people.
00:34:16.23\00:34:19.12
There are about 6 million people
00:34:19.15\00:34:20.91
in the
Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex
00:34:20.94\00:34:24.73
and there are 20
violent deaths a weekend there.
00:34:24.76\00:34:30.20
There are at least 50
times as many violent deaths
00:34:30.23\00:34:36.00
in the Dallas-Fort Worth
area as there are in a place
00:34:36.03\00:34:39.35
where we think
of as being violent
00:34:39.38\00:34:41.93
with the same population.
00:34:41.96\00:34:44.19
We have become
so accustomed to it
00:34:44.22\00:34:47.27
that it really does not
even register with this anymore.
00:34:47.30\00:34:52.69
That's right. It's correct.
00:34:52.72\00:34:53.96
And of course
the press is very--
00:34:53.99\00:34:58.10
they like the
sensational things so
00:34:58.13\00:35:00.22
if anything does happen there,
they make a big deal out of it.
00:35:00.25\00:35:04.26
But it is amazing that how much
it is blown out of proportion
00:35:04.29\00:35:09.17
but in our own
country, our own place,
00:35:09.20\00:35:12.36
the violence in
New York and Chicago
00:35:12.39\00:35:15.31
and Dallas and Los
Angels is so horrific
00:35:15.34\00:35:21.28
and we have just
gone accustom to it.
00:35:21.31\00:35:24.91
It's like the frog
in the boiling water.
00:35:24.94\00:35:27.49
Absolutely.
00:35:27.52\00:35:28.55
The water gets
hotter and hotter,
00:35:28.58\00:35:30.29
the frog doesn't recognize it
00:35:30.32\00:35:31.91
because he is sitting
there until he is cooked.
00:35:31.94\00:35:35.12
Yeah.
00:35:35.15\00:35:36.58
And you know what, first
year and I'm just of course
00:35:36.61\00:35:40.60
doing my devotions
and I'm in Genesis.
00:35:40.63\00:35:43.10
I usually try to go
through the Bible every year
00:35:43.13\00:35:45.66
and I just
finished reading about Noah
00:35:45.69\00:35:48.92
and it says God looked
down and mankind was violent.
00:35:48.95\00:35:53.01
Yeah.
00:35:53.04\00:35:54.34
You know, I thought
Lord, You are looking down?
00:35:54.37\00:35:57.63
Right.
00:35:57.66\00:35:58.69
You know, what's gonna happen?
00:35:58.72\00:36:00.68
Where are we? Yes.
00:36:00.71\00:36:02.18
And it's the assurance
that you find in the sanctuary
00:36:02.21\00:36:05.97
that let you know that
Christ is there with you.
00:36:06.00\00:36:08.62
He will be with you all the time
00:36:08.65\00:36:10.81
and that you can
just depend on Him.
00:36:10.84\00:36:14.00
You know, it had to
be and same things today
00:36:14.03\00:36:17.00
if people would accept it,
00:36:17.03\00:36:18.59
it had to be a wonderful feeling
00:36:18.62\00:36:21.37
to bring the lamb to the court
and to offer it for your sins.
00:36:21.40\00:36:27.36
The priest taking the lamb
00:36:27.39\00:36:29.73
and putting on the
altar of sacrifice,
00:36:29.76\00:36:32.43
carrying the
blood into the sanctuary
00:36:32.46\00:36:34.63
and placing it on
the altar of incense
00:36:34.66\00:36:37.72
and know, walk
away from the sanctuary
00:36:37.75\00:36:40.26
knowing that all your
sins had been forgiven,
00:36:40.29\00:36:43.93
clean, you know totally.
00:36:43.96\00:36:45.44
Yeah, that's
right. It had to be.
00:36:45.47\00:36:47.41
I mean great assurance.
00:36:47.44\00:36:49.21
You know, Kenneth, you
are talking about the lamb.
00:36:49.24\00:36:52.73
Did they just
go out in the flock
00:36:52.76\00:36:54.69
and just pick any lamb?
00:36:54.72\00:36:56.75
No. Tell us about the lamb?
00:36:56.78\00:36:58.45
The lamb was required to be
00:36:58.48\00:37:02.04
without spot
and without blemish.
00:37:02.07\00:37:04.31
It had to be perfect,
the best they can tell
00:37:04.34\00:37:07.24
to be offered
00:37:07.27\00:37:08.60
and even had to be
examined by the priest
00:37:08.63\00:37:10.88
before it was offered.
00:37:11.88\00:37:15.56
For instance what
has always moved me
00:37:15.59\00:37:18.93
and I don't know Jim,
00:37:18.96\00:37:21.01
whether this is kind
of fable or it's actual
00:37:21.04\00:37:23.78
but I think it is
foundation found in scripture.
00:37:23.81\00:37:27.05
When they offered
the Passover lamb,
00:37:27.08\00:37:29.46
the Passover lamb
had to be perfect.
00:37:29.49\00:37:33.16
It had to be without
spot and without blemish.
00:37:33.19\00:37:36.71
But they were
required to go and find a lamb
00:37:36.74\00:37:39.98
on the tenth day of the month
00:37:40.01\00:37:43.66
and to bring it home and
keep it there at the house
00:37:43.69\00:37:48.13
until the 14th day
before it was offered
00:37:48.16\00:37:52.21
given the children a
chance to play with it
00:37:52.24\00:37:55.65
so that lamb
didn't-- couldn't be offered
00:37:55.68\00:37:58.57
without there
being some attachment
00:37:58.60\00:38:01.00
and feeling
towards it, you know.
00:38:01.03\00:38:03.93
It just was there.
00:38:03.96\00:38:05.56
So that lamb
became part of the family?
00:38:05.59\00:38:07.73
Yes.
00:38:07.76\00:38:08.92
And was a little difference
than just picking any lamb.
00:38:08.95\00:38:14.50
You can imagine a child
pleading with his parents
00:38:14.53\00:38:17.00
not to take its life.
00:38:17.03\00:38:18.10
Yeah.
00:38:18.13\00:38:19.16
You know that is a
facet that I was not aware of.
00:38:19.19\00:38:23.31
you know, I think
you go to a temple
00:38:23.34\00:38:24.58
you go to one or two
lamb sellers outside,
00:38:24.61\00:38:26.72
they'll try to
sell the one out to you,
00:38:26.75\00:38:27.78
you pick up the lamb
and you're going to do
00:38:27.81\00:38:28.92
what you got to do,
00:38:28.95\00:38:30.05
but there is no
emotional investment to that,
00:38:30.08\00:38:32.39
financial cost
certainly but I don't know
00:38:32.42\00:38:34.65
but when you've
got a pet, a friend,
00:38:34.68\00:38:38.21
now it's kind of getting inside
00:38:38.24\00:38:40.19
and that's what the
Lord had to surrender
00:38:40.22\00:38:41.92
when Christ went on the cross.
00:38:41.95\00:38:43.32
And it's
interesting there in Revelation
00:38:43.35\00:38:45.86
where it talks of the
lamb, Revelation 4 says
00:38:45.89\00:38:50.58
the actual scripture
for the word lamb there
00:38:50.61\00:38:54.17
is little pet lamb.
00:38:54.20\00:38:57.85
Wow. It's powerful.
00:38:57.88\00:39:00.28
You know, it just, you
learn so much in the sanctuary,
00:39:00.31\00:39:04.87
it brings things together
and helps you understand
00:39:04.90\00:39:07.77
where we are,
understand the timeline.
00:39:07.80\00:39:13.08
You know, you begin to
see and understand the time
00:39:13.11\00:39:16.81
and where we are,
what's happening up in heaven,
00:39:16.84\00:39:19.60
the investigative
judgment is taking place there.
00:39:19.63\00:39:22.97
You know, I've
heard people say well,
00:39:23.00\00:39:24.53
you can't prove the
investigative judgment
00:39:24.56\00:39:26.81
by the 8th and
9th chapter of Daniel.
00:39:26.84\00:39:30.79
And I will say, right.
00:39:30.82\00:39:34.34
But you can prove the
investigative judgment
00:39:34.37\00:39:36.68
by the 7th chapter of Daniel.
00:39:36.71\00:39:38.77
No question, you
know, and as you see that
00:39:38.80\00:39:42.44
and understand it in
the light of the sanctuary,
00:39:42.47\00:39:45.46
man, it makes it
all come to life.
00:39:45.49\00:39:48.25
You can see it and
see what's happening
00:39:48.28\00:39:50.25
and what's taking place there.
00:39:50.28\00:39:52.02
You know, just to talk
about violence in the world.
00:39:52.05\00:39:55.49
Probably while you were talking,
00:39:55.52\00:39:57.08
viewers may have been able
to hear a fighter jet overhead
00:39:57.11\00:40:01.33
and we are hear near an
airbase in Surprise, Arizona
00:40:01.36\00:40:07.14
and you hear these fighter jets
taking off every little bit.
00:40:07.17\00:40:11.90
It helps you realize
00:40:11.93\00:40:13.87
these planes were not created
to go out and have fun in.
00:40:13.90\00:40:20.08
That's right.
00:40:20.11\00:40:21.15
These are killing machines
00:40:21.18\00:40:23.29
that have been designed for that
00:40:23.32\00:40:26.41
and when you hear them
take off and hear the power,
00:40:26.44\00:40:29.26
you can stand outside
here and you cannot see them
00:40:29.29\00:40:34.39
because you are
looking at the sound
00:40:34.42\00:40:36.34
and they are way
ahead of the sound.
00:40:36.37\00:40:38.35
You got to-- if
you're just fortunate
00:40:38.38\00:40:41.02
to look at way
ahead of the sound,
00:40:41.05\00:40:43.00
you may be able
to see one of them.
00:40:43.03\00:40:45.06
It's amazing. Back
to our subject now.
00:40:45.09\00:40:48.35
Start us out in the outer court
00:40:48.38\00:40:52.92
and bring us to that sanctuary
in just a quick moment.
00:40:52.95\00:40:57.36
What happens out
in the outer court?
00:40:57.39\00:40:59.86
The outer court, the
person brings a lamb,
00:40:59.89\00:41:03.21
they are met in
the court by the priest
00:41:03.24\00:41:06.56
and they place their
hands on the head of that lamb
00:41:06.59\00:41:09.75
and they confess their sins.
00:41:09.78\00:41:11.45
Okay.
00:41:11.48\00:41:12.51
Then the life of
the lamb is taken.
00:41:12.54\00:41:14.67
They split its throat.
00:41:14.70\00:41:16.28
The priest catches the
blood, the body of the lamb
00:41:16.31\00:41:20.26
as I mentioned
with the fat taken out
00:41:20.29\00:41:22.46
is placed on the
altar of sacrifice
00:41:22.49\00:41:24.48
with the fat and burned
00:41:24.51\00:41:26.54
and the priest carries
the blood into the tabernacle.
00:41:26.57\00:41:30.44
Okay.
00:41:30.47\00:41:31.50
Then he takes this
blood to the altar of incense.
00:41:31.53\00:41:35.97
All right, now that is moved now
00:41:36.00\00:41:37.65
from the outer
court into the holy place?
00:41:37.68\00:41:40.42
Holy place of the tabernacle.
00:41:40.45\00:41:41.94
All right. And so
what does he do there?
00:41:41.97\00:41:43.87
In the
tabernacle, he takes the blood
00:41:43.90\00:41:46.43
and touches it to
the horns of the altar.
00:41:46.46\00:41:50.03
Now there's
always been some question
00:41:50.06\00:41:52.28
about the horns of the altar.
00:41:52.31\00:41:54.17
I maintain that
that horns of the altar
00:41:54.20\00:41:58.15
was a place of protection.
00:41:58.18\00:42:00.66
Because you
remember when Solomon said,
00:42:00.69\00:42:03.94
go get rid of Joab.
00:42:03.97\00:42:05.73
Remember it says he
went to the sanctuary
00:42:05.76\00:42:07.51
and got both
horns, horns of the altar.
00:42:07.54\00:42:09.81
Right. And so--
00:42:09.84\00:42:11.44
but they touch the blood
00:42:11.47\00:42:14.31
to the horns of the altar
confessing the person's sin.
00:42:14.34\00:42:17.05
Now normally the
person would not be allowed
00:42:17.08\00:42:19.47
to go in there, right?
00:42:19.50\00:42:20.64
That's right, just the priest.
00:42:20.67\00:42:21.73
So it was just the--
if you are going there,
00:42:21.76\00:42:24.57
going there you
better grab those horns?
00:42:24.60\00:42:26.36
Yes. Okay.
00:42:26.39\00:42:27.42
Right. All right.
00:42:27.45\00:42:28.48
Now what else was
in that holy place?
00:42:28.51\00:42:30.65
In holy place was the altar--
00:42:30.68\00:42:32.54
excuse me was the
seven golden candlesticks.
00:42:32.57\00:42:34.87
All right. Now what
did that represented?
00:42:34.90\00:42:36.45
And seven golden candlesticks
they are represented
00:42:36.48\00:42:39.85
for light of God as He
gave in us what Christ said,
00:42:39.88\00:42:44.49
I'm the light of
the world. Right.
00:42:44.52\00:42:46.35
It represented
Christ and it was seven--
00:42:46.38\00:42:51.87
seven branches menorah,
00:42:51.90\00:42:54.97
the Jewish people
they use even today.
00:42:55.00\00:42:57.79
And that
represented the Holy Spirit
00:42:57.82\00:43:01.87
because the oil was put in there
00:43:01.90\00:43:04.75
and burned in it constantly.
00:43:04.78\00:43:07.15
It was always never to go out.
00:43:07.18\00:43:09.11
Now even though it
represented the Holy Spirit,
00:43:09.14\00:43:11.02
it also represented Jesus
says the light of the world.
00:43:11.05\00:43:13.35
Oh, yes. Yeah.
00:43:13.38\00:43:14.41
Everything as we look
at the sanctuary service,
00:43:14.44\00:43:19.28
everything almost
has a dual application.
00:43:19.31\00:43:21.78
It may look at the
word, the Word of God
00:43:21.81\00:43:25.28
but Jesus says
I'm the bread of life.
00:43:25.31\00:43:27.30
Yes. Right?
00:43:27.33\00:43:28.36
And so you have
the table of showbread.
00:43:28.39\00:43:30.40
So Jesus is represented by
00:43:30.43\00:43:32.75
every,
everything in the sanctuary.
00:43:32.78\00:43:35.85
Every detail. Every detail.
00:43:35.88\00:43:38.07
Even though it may
also represent the Bible,
00:43:38.10\00:43:40.20
the word, the
Holy Spirit etcetera
00:43:40.23\00:43:42.80
but there is a dual application
that points you to Jesus.
00:43:42.83\00:43:46.70
And on the table of
showbread was the bread
00:43:46.73\00:43:53.21
and the priest
could eat of that bread,
00:43:53.24\00:43:55.68
you know, and this is exactly
what Christ is talking about
00:43:55.71\00:43:59.10
when He says,
"Unless you eat my flesh,
00:43:59.13\00:44:01.97
drink My blood,
00:44:02.00\00:44:03.04
you cannot make it in
the kingdom of heaven."
00:44:03.07\00:44:04.84
Right. Right.
00:44:04.87\00:44:06.15
Just the
symbolism is there so much.
00:44:06.18\00:44:09.25
Okay, now this will
be a daily situation
00:44:09.28\00:44:11.69
except was it done
on Sabbath as well?
00:44:11.72\00:44:14.64
Yes. There was. Yes.
00:44:14.67\00:44:16.49
So it's a daily
offering of the sacrifice
00:44:16.52\00:44:20.89
and presenting the
blood there on the altar.
00:44:20.92\00:44:23.84
In fact, the bread on
the table of showbread
00:44:23.87\00:44:26.13
was only changed on Sabbath.
00:44:26.16\00:44:27.79
Is that right? Yeah.
00:44:27.82\00:44:28.88
All right, now we will
go in the most holy place.
00:44:28.91\00:44:31.85
How often do you go
in the most holy place?
00:44:31.88\00:44:34.42
The high priest only
could go in once a year.
00:44:34.45\00:44:38.38
Once a year.
00:44:38.41\00:44:39.79
Yeah. Once a year.
00:44:39.82\00:44:40.98
All right, now what does he do
00:44:41.01\00:44:42.28
when he goes into
the most holy place?
00:44:42.31\00:44:44.14
Well, he offers a
lamb, they had a goat,
00:44:44.17\00:44:47.85
they cast lots and one
became the Lord's goat,
00:44:47.88\00:44:51.87
one became the
scapegoat and they sacrificed it
00:44:51.90\00:44:57.60
and then he
takes the blood of that
00:44:57.63\00:44:59.47
and makes his way
into the most holy place
00:44:59.50\00:45:02.74
and there goes before the ark
00:45:02.78\00:45:05.93
and there on the ark
you have the cherubims,
00:45:05.96\00:45:09.11
the two cherubims
00:45:09.14\00:45:10.28
and who are looking
down at the altar of--
00:45:10.31\00:45:15.78
excuse me the altar
there and then in between that
00:45:15.81\00:45:20.18
is where you
have the mercy seat.
00:45:20.21\00:45:22.66
And there at the mercy seat
00:45:22.69\00:45:24.09
is where the
Shekinah glory of God dwells.
00:45:24.12\00:45:26.69
Wow.
00:45:26.72\00:45:27.75
And he met there
00:45:27.78\00:45:29.14
and that's where he offered
00:45:29.17\00:45:31.31
the blood from
the Lord's goat and--
00:45:31.34\00:45:36.75
Once a year.
00:45:36.78\00:45:37.81
Once a year and
just think about me--
00:45:37.84\00:45:41.50
my thinking about
it, Jim, makes me tremble
00:45:41.53\00:45:45.22
to think of what
priest going in there,
00:45:45.25\00:45:47.33
you could have--
00:45:47.36\00:45:48.39
you know, where the
Shekinah glory was and--
00:45:48.42\00:45:51.69
The very presence of God.
00:45:51.72\00:45:53.55
He had to have
every sin confessed
00:45:53.58\00:45:56.03
before he went there.
00:45:56.06\00:45:57.12
In fact, he offered
bullocks for himself
00:45:57.15\00:45:59.11
and his family
before he went in.
00:45:59.14\00:46:00.81
Before he went in.
00:46:00.84\00:46:01.87
So that every sin was confessed.
00:46:01.90\00:46:03.73
And there was a
cord tied to his leg
00:46:03.76\00:46:06.73
so that if he died
they could pull him out.
00:46:06.76\00:46:10.88
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:10.91\00:46:12.53
And one of the things
that we see religion see
00:46:12.56\00:46:18.38
that earmarks our
days that is fear.
00:46:18.41\00:46:21.81
I mean people are afraid of--
00:46:21.84\00:46:22.87
they are afraid
to open their doors,
00:46:22.90\00:46:23.93
they are afraid to be alone,
they are afraid to in crows,
00:46:23.96\00:46:25.83
they are afraid of their jobs,
00:46:25.86\00:46:26.97
they are afraid
of so many things
00:46:27.00\00:46:29.19
accompanied by and just
an overwhelming disrespect,
00:46:29.22\00:46:33.52
lack of respect for human life.
00:46:33.55\00:46:36.10
Some women are
strapped abound to have brought
00:46:36.13\00:46:38.24
and walk into a public place
and you know there is this,
00:46:38.27\00:46:41.46
this lack of respect even
as we've been sitting here
00:46:41.49\00:46:44.28
same things on the news.
00:46:44.31\00:46:46.58
Does the sanctuary
give any comfort to a person
00:46:46.61\00:46:49.25
who is just--
00:46:49.28\00:46:51.14
they are afraid all of the time,
00:46:51.17\00:46:52.84
they don't know where they are,
00:46:52.87\00:46:53.92
they don't know
what they are doing
00:46:53.95\00:46:55.19
and they are part
of this fear cycle
00:46:55.22\00:46:57.38
that is being influenced.
00:46:57.41\00:46:58.44
Does it give any comfort,
00:46:58.47\00:46:59.50
does it have anything
to say to a person in that,
00:46:59.53\00:47:01.60
in that frame of mind?
00:47:01.63\00:47:03.08
C.A., there were
seven annual feast
00:47:03.11\00:47:05.81
that they came
to at the sanctuary
00:47:05.84\00:47:08.69
and those seven annual feast
00:47:08.72\00:47:11.60
one of the feast of
trumpets was strictly
00:47:11.63\00:47:17.55
to rejoice and know
that Christ is with you
00:47:17.58\00:47:20.61
and comforts you
and gives you peace
00:47:20.64\00:47:22.24
that's what,
what it was all about.
00:47:22.27\00:47:24.52
And many of the
others also were feast
00:47:24.55\00:47:28.58
in which you were
to receive peace from.
00:47:28.61\00:47:31.64
And so they-- you
know, Christ had promised,
00:47:31.67\00:47:36.48
He said, "My peace I give
you. My peace I leave with you."
00:47:36.51\00:47:40.90
And that is taught
in the sanctuary there.
00:47:40.93\00:47:43.94
They can find peace there
00:47:43.97\00:47:45.41
that they will
find in no other place.
00:47:45.44\00:47:46.99
Praise God. Praise God.
00:47:47.02\00:47:48.81
Yeah.
00:47:48.84\00:47:49.87
It is a fabulous work and again
00:47:49.90\00:47:52.50
I see it's a little
thinner than some of your books.
00:47:52.53\00:47:55.12
You didn't turn it
into war and peace.
00:47:55.15\00:47:57.01
You kind of got in
there and got through it,
00:47:57.04\00:47:59.79
so that it can be read in
maybe one or two sittings.
00:47:59.82\00:48:02.28
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:48:02.31\00:48:03.88
They can definitely. Yeah.
00:48:03.91\00:48:05.19
And that's what I wanted.
00:48:05.22\00:48:07.10
I didn't want them
have to be bogged down
00:48:07.13\00:48:09.88
and, you know, just
to be able to read it.
00:48:09.91\00:48:12.32
Come out and say okay, I know
what the sanctuary is about.
00:48:12.35\00:48:15.96
So that's why they
are done. And it's--
00:48:15.99\00:48:21.13
Did it cover the
judgment in this?
00:48:21.16\00:48:23.78
Yes. You did cover?
00:48:23.81\00:48:25.10
There's a whole
chapter on it. On the judgment.
00:48:25.13\00:48:27.10
All right,
investigative judgment?
00:48:27.13\00:48:29.13
Yes. All right.
00:48:29.16\00:48:31.41
There is a
chapter on that in it.
00:48:31.44\00:48:35.38
My granddaughter is a
graphic artist so her--
00:48:35.41\00:48:40.58
I had her
illustrate the whole book.
00:48:40.61\00:48:42.67
Oh, wow.
00:48:42.70\00:48:43.86
So she is the one
that illustrated it.
00:48:43.89\00:48:45.19
Okay.
00:48:45.22\00:48:46.47
I think Jim tried to get
you and I caught you off earlier
00:48:46.50\00:48:49.11
on the program to just outline
00:48:49.14\00:48:50.67
or read the
chapter titles for us.
00:48:50.70\00:48:52.77
Why don't you do that real quick
00:48:52.80\00:48:53.83
so they can know
what they are gonna get
00:48:53.86\00:48:56.63
even when they get--
get to the store to buy it.
00:48:56.66\00:48:59.89
The chapter
titles are, The Court,
00:49:08.77\00:49:14.23
The Altar of
Sacrifice and the Lamb of God,
00:49:14.26\00:49:17.39
The Laver and the Water of life,
00:49:17.42\00:49:19.62
Priesthood and the
Levites, Tabernacle,
00:49:19.65\00:49:23.43
Golden Table of
Showbread, Golden Lambs Stands,
00:49:23.46\00:49:27.52
The Golden Altar
of Incense, Veils,
00:49:27.55\00:49:30.46
The Most Holy Place,
The Ark of the Covenant,
00:49:30.49\00:49:33.82
Israel's Annual Feast,
Christ Our High Priest,
00:49:33.85\00:49:37.58
Incredible
Prophecy and New Jerusalem.
00:49:37.61\00:49:40.45
Amen. Those are the titles.
00:49:40.48\00:49:42.74
So you've really gone through
step by step sequentially,
00:49:42.77\00:49:45.85
every specific
article and what it meant
00:49:45.88\00:49:48.48
so that when I'm
finished reading that,
00:49:48.51\00:49:50.69
I've got a pretty good handle
00:49:50.72\00:49:51.90
on the doctrine
of the sanctuary.
00:49:51.93\00:49:52.97
You should have. Yeah.
00:49:53.00\00:49:54.03
You should have, C.A.
00:49:54.06\00:49:55.09
It should be, you should be able
00:49:55.12\00:49:56.34
to sit down and read your Bible
00:49:56.37\00:49:57.74
when it talks
about certain things
00:49:57.77\00:49:59.26
understand what
it's talking about.
00:49:59.29\00:50:01.33
All right.
00:50:01.36\00:50:02.49
Now they can
order this from you--
00:50:02.52\00:50:05.48
And from your ministry or
they can order it from 3ABN
00:50:05.51\00:50:09.18
and or it's possibly available
at a Christian bookstores
00:50:09.21\00:50:13.99
that also that
they might check there.
00:50:14.02\00:50:18.12
But if you wish to
contact Kenneth Cox,
00:50:18.15\00:50:23.46
this is how that
you can contact him.
00:50:23.49\00:50:27.21
If you would like to
learn more about this ministry,
00:50:30.81\00:50:33.17
then you may do so by writing
to Kenneth Cox Ministries,
00:50:33.20\00:50:36.78
P.O. Box 1027,
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00:50:36.81\00:50:42.72
That's Kenneth Cox Ministries,
00:50:42.75\00:50:44.47
P.O. Box 1027,
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00:50:44.50\00:50:50.00
You can call 888-747-1844,
00:50:50.03\00:50:54.41
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00:50:54.44\00:50:58.03
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00:50:58.06\00:50:59.80
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00:50:59.83\00:51:04.11
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