Participants: C. A. Murray (Host), David Casey
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015013A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:09 My name is C.A. Murray 01:10 and allow me once again to thank you 01:12 for sharing just a little of your busy day with us. 01:16 We thank you always 01:17 for your love, your prayers, your support of this ministry 01:19 and we thank you for 01:21 what you are doing to partner with us 01:22 to help us do what we are called to do 01:25 and that's to take the name of Jesus 01:27 around the world. 01:28 Got a very, very, very, very, very, very good program today. 01:32 My guest is David Casey. 01:34 You heard that name before because he has been here before, 01:37 but he has come back to give us 01:39 sort of an update, a little refresher 01:41 on the things that the Lord has been doing with him 01:44 and to him and through him 01:46 over the past couple of years since he first came. 01:49 Really a powerful testimony. 01:50 First of all good looking guy, 01:53 strong in the word and I remember from the first, 01:56 the first visit when you were here, 01:59 you were the big dog. 02:01 You know, that was it and we can go back 02:02 and pick up some of that stuff. 02:04 But first of all, good to have you here, man. 02:05 Thank you. Thank you for having me. 02:06 I appreciate it. Yeah. 02:07 God has done some really miraculous things with his life 02:11 and turned him around and this is gonna be an exciting hour 02:14 that we spend together because he is really, 02:17 you talk about hit the ground running, 02:19 David has really picked up some speed 02:22 along with picking up a wife 02:23 and we gonna talk about that too. 02:25 And picked up several facets to his ministry 02:29 over the past couple of years that he's been away, 02:32 so he's got a lot to tell us 02:33 and, you know, every time he speaks, 02:36 he is a testament 02:37 to what God can do to a life once you put it in His hands. 02:40 Can't go too far, can't run too fast, 02:42 can't do too much. 02:44 God can turn you around and use you in a powerful way 02:47 and that's what we are gonna find out 02:49 as you listen to David's story and testimony. 02:52 Again man, good to have you here. 02:54 He's got a glow about him. 02:55 He's big dude but he is doing some big things for the Lord 02:59 and we are gonna talk about that. 03:00 Before you-- and I want couple of things. 03:02 Before we go to the music, Onesimus, 03:05 now Onesimus of course was a slave of Philemon. 03:09 Why did you choose that for your-- 03:10 that name for your ministry? 03:11 I chose that name for my ministry 03:14 when I first read that story in the book 03:19 and Paul met this individual in jail 03:23 and he got out of jail 03:24 and he became a servant of the Lord. 03:27 As soon as, as soon as I read that I said 03:30 man, that would be a good name for a prison ministry 03:32 and I chose that while I was still in prison. 03:35 And not just that, in the Greek 03:38 that name means a value, value useful and profitable 03:45 and I said what more do I want to do. 03:47 This is exactly what I want to do for the Lord. 03:49 So I chose that name Onesimus Freedom Ministry 03:53 and that's what my ministry is about. 03:55 I'm proclaiming freedom to people 03:57 and not just necessarily people in a prison. 04:00 Anybody can be in bondage to sin anywhere we are at 04:06 and this is what my ministry is all about 04:08 proclaiming freedom to people 04:10 through the power of Jesus Christ 04:12 to change people's lives. 04:13 Excellent. 04:14 Now, when we talk about prison ministries, 04:15 some people come with theoretical knowledge. 04:18 You know where I'm going, 04:20 and some come with inside knowledge. 04:22 You kind of did it from the inside out, 04:25 let's go back before we go to our music 04:26 I just want to touch on this. 04:28 You didn't spend like one or two years in the joint. 04:30 You were there for a good little taste of time. 04:32 Yeah, not just in the joint, it was a lifestyle. 04:35 Yeah. 04:36 And last time I was here, I talked about it 04:38 but I didn't tell you, 04:40 I served over 24 years in state and federal institutions 04:44 and I had been in dozens of them. 04:46 And it wasn't just one trip to prison, 04:49 I've been to prison five times. 04:51 So it was a lifestyle 04:52 and my thinking and my mind was so distorted, 04:56 so twisted around backwards, 04:58 I didn't look at life as 04:59 how long I was gonna be in prison, 05:04 I looked at life as how long I'm gonna be on the streets? 05:07 How long can I stay out? 05:09 Oh, I just walked down seven, I hope I can stay out seven. 05:12 So my goal was to stay out as long as I was in, 05:15 it wasn't a matter of whether I was gonna go to prison or not. 05:18 Right. 05:19 In that lifestyle you are either gonna go to the penitentiary 05:21 or you are going to the cemetery pointblank 05:24 that's all there is to it, 05:26 if you continue in that lifestyle. 05:28 So I lived that lifestyle 05:29 and only by the grace of God I survived it 05:31 because many, many those dudes that I ran with are dead. 05:37 I mean, and they didn't have the opportunity. 05:39 I use a picture sometimes and I do my testimony 05:42 in a juvenile detention center. 05:44 I got a picture of me and four other guys 05:47 or five of us standing in and posing on the prison yard 05:49 all of us looking hard, all tattooed up 05:52 in a razor wire in the background, 05:54 gun tower in the background. 05:56 All the guys in that picture except for me are now dead. 05:59 Wow. 06:00 And if you would have ask them 06:02 and someone overdosed from heroin, 06:05 David was shot and killed, 06:08 another guy Jimmy was killed in a motorcycle accident. 06:11 So if you would ask those guys today or at that time 06:16 when we did that photo 06:18 how long you are gonna live? 06:19 They would have thought they were gonna live just like, 06:21 you know, 80, 70, 80 years old. 06:24 Well, that's the thing 06:25 we are never guaranteed another breath. 06:27 So in that lifestyle it just eats people up 06:30 and this is part of my-- 06:32 my desire is to let people know that there is a way out 06:37 and we all hear these statements in prison. 06:40 Oh, well, you know, just ask Jesus to come into your heart 06:43 and He will change your life. 06:46 - That is true. - Yeah. 06:47 That is true. 06:48 But the fascinating part about it is, 06:51 you change the way we think 06:54 so these things that we used to find it, 06:56 you know, exciting or fun 06:59 we no longer have a desire to do 07:01 and it changes your lifestyle 07:03 because you no longer have those desires. 07:06 Now, let's-- I keeping pushing this the music back 07:08 but there are some things I want to establish 07:10 because I asked you-- 07:11 I'm trying to pick up your speech pattern 07:14 and when you said Detroit I said okay that fits. 07:16 So you are Detroit guy. 07:18 - Yes. - Urban guy. 07:19 - Yes. - Street guy. 07:21 Walk me through some of the early years, 07:22 you know, because you went in at what age? 07:25 - Seventeen. - For the first time. 07:26 The first time I went in for arm robbery at 17-years-old 07:30 and I live a life of just, 07:34 you know, through my upbringing 07:35 and I don't mean to discredit my parents. 07:38 It's just the way life went, that's that way it went 07:41 and I was raised into that lifestyle 07:45 not that-- that's what my parents chose 07:47 but through the circumstances that's what, what happened. 07:51 So I was involved in crime and stuff as early, 07:54 my earliest childhood memories. 07:57 Then at 17 it should have been no surprise to anybody 08:01 that I wound up in state prison for arm robbery because 08:05 I was a heroin addict, I was, you know, 08:08 using intravenous drugs all these things. 08:11 It's bad as they get. 08:12 Yeah. 08:13 So I went in at 17 for armed robbery 08:17 with a 5 to 15 year sentence that I wound up, 08:20 you know, I escaped during that process of that five 08:24 but I wound up serving five and half years on that sentence. 08:27 And got out thinking you know, I'm never going back 08:34 and it was a very, very short period of time 08:37 where I, you know, I got right back 08:39 involved in crime, right back in the lifestyle, 08:42 went right back to the hood and boom, 08:45 wound up right back in prison 08:46 and that time I knew then this is it, 08:50 this is the way it's gonna be. 08:51 I'm gonna be either in prison or in the streets. 08:54 I at least had enough common sense to realize 08:57 if you live in this way this is gonna be prison. 09:01 You're gonna go to prison. 09:02 You are not gonna be able to continuously 09:03 get away with crime. 09:04 Yeah. 09:05 There is gonna be a point where they are gonna catch you, 09:07 then its time to pay the piper 09:09 or the cemetery as I seen those guys go to. 09:12 Now let me ask this, David, because you are a big guy. 09:15 Obviously the threat of prison didn't deter you. 09:20 I mean, you kind of a big man on campus that was no-- 09:24 you could handle that. 09:25 Yeah, but that's not necessarily even-- 09:29 I've seen little guys, you know, five foot five 09:32 that are very dangerous individuals 09:36 as far as on the yard. 09:37 The thing with the lifestyle though with my parents, 09:41 my dad inadvertently raised us to be aggressive. 09:46 So I was very aggressive, 09:50 you know, so that lifestyle and through the violence 09:53 within my home would-- and with my dad, 09:57 I mean, my mother taught us to steal, 09:59 my dad tried to beat that out of us. 10:02 So I was taught from a early age 10:04 I can control you through violence. 10:06 Through violence, yeah. 10:07 So naturally at 17 going into prison 10:10 and it was a very violent situation 10:12 and in that time in Michigan 10:14 they didn't send people young to a-- a young guy prison. 10:18 There could be another thing, right, yeah. 10:19 They sent you, I went straight into Jackson Prison 10:22 with 6,000 inmates walled prison in Southern Michigan 10:26 and its maximum security prison. 10:29 So I hate to say it, I did feel comfortable. 10:35 I got to a point where I was, 10:38 I was able to deal with the environment and I fit in. 10:42 So I-- because I understood the rules right away. 10:46 This is how you play the game. 10:48 You either gonna-- 10:49 you either downward or you are not. 10:50 You either gonna, you know, these are the rules. 10:53 So it had to be a matter of high aggression 10:56 to be able to survive it. 10:58 And so my size was one thing that might had deter 11:02 somebody from to try to, 11:03 you know, test you but I've seen small guys too-- 11:07 Yes, kind of go. Yeah. 11:09 - You can make it. - Yeah. Yeah. 11:10 So your, your lifestyle, your-- 11:14 the way you approach life was to go at it, 11:17 to go aggressively. 11:18 - Always. - Yeah. 11:19 Always was even, even when I got involved 11:22 in a motorcycle club. 11:23 I got involved with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club 11:26 which was a one-percenter club 11:28 and that is not just a motorcycle club, 11:32 it's a one-percenter club and that one-percenter means 11:36 a group of guys that are willing to kill or die 11:38 for that motorcycle club. 11:40 So it's-- that was a very high level subculture 11:45 even-- and it didn't matter if I was doing drugs, 11:48 I had to do the most drugs. 11:50 If I was whatever, I would try things 11:53 and do things that most people would think, 11:56 you know, won't even want to consider 11:59 but I-- everything in my life has been extreme 12:02 and you know, it comes right back to the Bible 12:06 now, its the same outlook. 12:07 My character has not-- 12:09 that aspect of my character is not changed 12:12 and as you and I were speaking earlier, 12:14 I'm trying to be an extreme Christian. 12:17 I'm trying, I'm-- so this is the thing 12:20 that I tried to be a fundamentalist Christian. 12:22 I tried to let the Bible and the Holy Spirit lead 12:25 and dictate my lifestyle. 12:27 So this is part of the-- it's part of my character 12:31 that God is still using and its the same way 12:34 when I go into the prisons, 12:36 Lord has blessed me to be able to go 12:38 into a state prisons in Texas and juvenile detention center. 12:42 I go in each week. 12:44 The God has blessed me with the ability 12:46 and I go in the same character and deliver this message. 12:51 Yeah. Yeah. 12:52 So and guys are responding to it. 12:55 And sometimes it takes a little that hardness, 12:59 sometimes it takes that people especially in that lifestyle, 13:02 kind of culture. 13:04 Yeah. Yeah. 13:05 I've not seen, I've not seen a guy-- 13:07 you know, the people that witness to me, 13:08 the prison ministry team that I encountered in Michigan 13:12 through the Ann Arbor Church in Michigan. 13:13 They were coming into the Milan Federal Prison 13:15 in Michigan. 13:16 Through that prison ministry 13:18 that none of those guys had criminal histories. 13:20 So it doesn't-- 13:21 it didn't necessarily mean you got to be a prior felon 13:24 to be able to reach people in prison. 13:26 Agreed. I understand. 13:27 There is a time for and then there is time where, 13:30 you know, sometimes you just got a-- 13:33 I have a ministry that God's using me in my way. 13:37 Right. Right. 13:38 And I think you look at James, John, Peter, aggressive guys 13:43 and Christ knew if I can get them 13:45 the channel that aggression-- 13:46 I mean, why change? When you are serving the devil, 13:49 I mean, you're full boar serving the devil, 13:51 so why not put that same kind of energy 13:54 into serving the Lord? 13:55 You don't want to, you don't want to be weak 13:57 and turn into a wimp now. 13:59 This is time to get serious, you can get busy. 14:01 So the same kind of energy that you use in a life of crime, 14:06 you're now focused into serving Christ. 14:08 - Yes. - Yeah. Yeah. 14:09 As you forgive my aim nothing wrong with that. 14:11 Right. 14:12 That's just how it ought to be. 14:14 You don't want to back off serving the Lord, 14:16 giving the same energy that you gave to Satan. 14:17 It's actually time to step it up. 14:19 Yeah, it is. It is. 14:20 I always had this, I always had this saying 14:22 when I was in the street, you're gonna be real, 14:24 you want to keep the real, then let's get with it. 14:27 Now, it's the same way. 14:29 I have the same outlook with my ministry today. 14:31 This is real and I get with it. 14:34 And you are as I said, hitting the ground running. 14:37 We are gonna go to our music now 14:39 and then we want to come back 14:40 and really just kind of loose David 14:42 because he's got a lot to say 14:43 and God is doing a lot of things. 14:45 This is Joseph Palabrica, 14:48 a young man who came in sometime ago. 14:50 He is a beautiful guitar player 14:52 and he is going to be playing for us, 14:55 "His Eye is on the Sparrow." 19:07 Thank you, Joseph. 19:08 Well done, "His Eye is on the Sparrow." 19:10 David has been saying that that song has been coming 19:13 into his life a lot lately. 19:15 Maybe the Lord is trying to tell you something, man. 19:17 He will make it play it. 19:18 Last few, last few, I've been hearing 19:20 this song coming up last couple weeks quite often. 19:25 Well, Lord has got something for you. 19:28 Tell me this, excuse me, David. 19:30 How many years ago did you come out of prison? 19:34 I was released in 2009 19:37 and so I've been-- quick calculate it up bro, 19:43 quick but I've been out since then. 19:45 Yeah, how-- did you give your life to the Lord 19:48 while you were still in? 19:49 Yes, while I was in prison in 2002 August, 10th 19:53 I was baptized in federal prison 19:55 and we got some pictures that we can look at. 19:57 I would like to show about some of that 20:00 and also and I wanted to talk a little bit about 20:03 the motorcycle club because it is a subculture 20:07 that people get caught up in 20:10 and it was kind of like a religion. 20:12 I mean, everything based around the club, 20:16 the club, the club, the club. 20:17 Everything was based around that 20:20 and it was a-- I was in there for 10 years 20:25 and it's a very violent lifestyle. 20:28 Very violent lifestyle. 20:30 So the loyalty factor set up was pretty high. 20:33 I mean, you once you and you sell out, 20:34 you are in there. 20:35 Well, I'm in their eyes today I'm a dropout, 20:39 I'm a sellout by leaving, by quitting, 20:43 you know, and I was in federal prison at the time 20:45 when I came to Christ and I called the club 20:48 and I told them, I said I'm done with you. 20:49 I quit. 20:51 They said, you can't quit while you are in prison. 20:53 I said what? 20:54 They said, if you quit while you are in prison 20:55 you will be in bad standings. 20:58 Said man, you're bad standings with me? 20:59 What are you talking about? 21:01 - Yeah. - You know, I quit. 21:02 Man, I'm done with it. 21:03 I'll see you when I get out of-- 21:04 you know, if they have problem with the situation. 21:08 But yeah, I came to the Lord while in federal prison 21:13 and my life has been changed since. 21:16 Was that, was that Adventism 21:17 or just coming to Christ in general? 21:19 No, it was through Adventist ministry. 21:22 Through a prison ministry team and I had never known about 21:26 Seventh-day Adventists 21:27 and I had mentioned this last time I was here. 21:30 A friend of mine was telling me that, 21:33 you know, if you ever get a chance to go to 21:35 Seventh-day Adventist church go to one, 21:36 you know to chapel in the prison 21:38 if they ever come in. 21:39 I'm like, what? Seventh-day Adventist 21:42 in my mind I'm thinking for some reason 21:44 I envisioned Amish people. 21:47 You know, none against Amish people-- 21:48 Right, right, I understand. 21:49 None against their overalls 21:50 but for some reason that concept, 21:52 the beards, the overalls, the hats came into my mind. 21:56 I had no thinking of what Seventh-day Adventist was 22:00 and I started-- you know, I got curious 22:03 and I started going over there 22:06 and speaking with these volunteers 22:08 and they-- I challenged them 22:11 on every aspect of the scriptures that, 22:13 you know, that I thought 22:15 and I finally got to a point where I said, 22:17 you know what, if I'm gonna be a Christian 22:20 then I can only be what the Bible says a Christian is, 22:23 it's gonna be nothing else. 22:25 And-- then I just accepted that fact 22:29 and we continued to study 22:31 and I decided to be baptized in there, 22:33 in August 10th of 2002. 22:36 And Pastor Dan Hall was the pastor 22:39 at Ann Arbor Church at that time. 22:40 He is in Georgia now baptized me. 22:42 Yeah. 22:43 So you still had a little stretch on your, on your bit. 22:46 I mean, you got some time still that-- 22:47 yeah, you won't come in right away. 22:49 Yeah, I got transferred down to FCI Seagoville in Dallas 22:54 and had a nice experience there because they didn't have any 22:56 Seventh-day Adventist services at that institution 22:59 and I was blessed to be able to get it started. 23:02 Oh, wow. 23:03 Took 10 months and then some volunteers come in there 23:06 and Brother Anderson he is pastor Anderson 23:10 now at Arlington Southern Worship Center 23:14 in Arlington 23:15 and another pastor, Pastor Rogers Johnson 23:19 was coming in. 23:20 He would've been a pastor of one of the churches 23:22 there in Dallas. 23:23 So they start coming into the prison there 23:24 and by time I left Seagoville we had two baptisms 23:28 and had, you know, 12 to 14 inmates in there 23:31 on service every week. 23:32 Yeah. 23:33 Now you readily admit that when you were in prison, 23:36 you were not a shrinking violet, 23:37 you weren't a rich shy retiring guy. 23:39 You kind of took control of your surrounding. 23:41 - Oh, definitely. - Yeah. 23:42 That when I was in-- before I was even 23:47 professed to be a Christian, 23:49 when I was in, I was considered like 23:51 a shot collar or a rock boss, 23:56 you got all different names for it 23:57 but, yeah, no, I was very aggressive inmate 24:01 and you know, I did everything that 24:04 you can do to people in prison. 24:06 I've seen everything happening. 24:07 In 24 years I was in prison riots 24:10 in Jackson, Michigan. 24:11 In 1981 I've seen every act of violence 24:15 that can be done to people. 24:16 I participated in all kinds of violent acts against inmates 24:22 and it's all over. 24:25 Could be something as silly as this guy is from another town, 24:28 said something about your town, 24:30 you know, or drugs, or you know, 24:32 prison is a subculture that it's like a little town, 24:35 like a little world in there. 24:36 Yeah. Yeah. 24:37 You know, eight dollars could-- can get you killed. 24:40 Wow. 24:41 You know, so everything is magnified. 24:44 You know, it's not quite 24:45 the same as being in the streets. 24:47 In the streets, yeah. 24:50 Did your fellow inmates see a dramatic change in you 24:56 once you came to the Lord 24:59 and how did they respond to that? 25:00 Yes, they did. 25:03 I had guys actually would come to my cell 25:05 and I would be reading the Bible and studying my Bible 25:07 which I still have this same Bible today 25:11 and I would be studying and they would come to me 25:13 and say, hey, man, big dog. Man, put that Bible down, man. 25:17 Put that Bible down, man. 25:19 This all you are doing is studying the Bible? 25:21 I said, yeah, man, I'm on something right now. 25:24 I will catch you later, I'm busy. 25:26 Yeah, but, man. 25:27 And I've had guys, you know, 25:29 different criminal organizations from Chicago 25:34 and different places were like, man, 25:35 you used to be fun. 25:37 you used to be fun. you used to be kind of come 25:39 in there we could joke around. 25:40 Man, all you want to do now is read the Bible. 25:42 And I started-- you know, 25:44 we can get on a diet or we can get exercise 25:47 and start lifting weights and not necessarily 25:51 notice a change in ourselves, in our appearance. 25:54 And other people might say, hey, man, you are on diet. 25:56 People start noticing it before we notice it. 25:59 Very true. 26:00 So but when we see it, when you can look into mirror 26:03 and you can see the change yourself 26:05 then you know there has been a change 26:08 and I started seeing it. 26:09 I started seeing the change in my own behavior, 26:12 whether it was even as simple as how I-- 26:15 the language I used. 26:16 Yeah. 26:17 You know, I talked as-- 26:18 there is much profanity as anybody. 26:20 I was, you know, I mean, being in that motorcycle club 26:24 it's like a barbarian lifestyle. 26:27 Yeah. Yeah. 26:28 There is no, you know, some-- 26:32 but I would like to show 26:33 some pictures about that if we have time. 26:34 Yeah, let's do so. 26:35 If we got time. 26:36 And this is me in the federal prison 26:38 being baptized by Pastor Dan Hall 26:41 and as I said it was August 10th 2002 26:46 and that was at Milan Federal Prison in Michigan and-- 26:50 That look ponytail I see you got? 26:51 Yeah, I had long hair and I had long hair at the time 26:55 and a beard because when I first came to the Lord 26:58 there in the prison I was, 27:00 you know, I looked exactly 27:01 like the kind of guy I was, 27:02 you know, motorcycle, drug dealing, motorcycle guy. 27:05 You know, motorcycle gangsters what it is. 27:07 Right. 27:08 And it was-- 27:12 that was pretty much how I was living. 27:15 This is another shot where I had been 27:16 all over the world with this motorcycle club 27:20 and this-- I've been to England 27:22 and a lot of these places, Germany so this picture 27:26 we're showing, looking it right now 27:28 and I have been to Australia. 27:32 I would like to actually do all the places that I've been. 27:35 This is me in Melbourne, Australia right here. 27:37 Wow. 27:38 All these places I had been, 27:39 I would like to be able to go now 27:41 and evangelize for Jesus Christ. 27:44 At this time going to these countries-- 27:46 that's me in Frankfurt, Germany sitting there. 27:49 What I would do when the motorcycle club 27:52 at this time we called it romancing 27:54 and I would go to these other 27:56 motorcycle clubs in these countries 27:58 and stay with them for, 28:00 you know, periods of time, several weeks or whatever 28:03 and we would try to win them over 28:05 to changeover to become outlaws. 28:07 Oh, wow. 28:08 Because all these motorcycle clubs 28:09 are international now. 28:11 They are all international major clubs. 28:13 So we call it romancing. 28:15 In our church we call it evangelizing. 28:18 We are trying to evangelize somebody 28:19 into, into accepting Jesus Christ. 28:23 with the motorcycle club it was called romancing. 28:25 So I understand, 28:26 so covering all of this territory 28:27 was for the motorcycle gang? 28:28 For the motorcycle club. 28:29 I see. 28:30 And I was like, you know, an ambassador of the club 28:33 and I would go stay with these people, 28:35 seeing if they had the ability 28:37 if we thought would they be good outlaws? 28:40 And I could make that determination 28:42 while I was there. 28:44 So I traveled around all over the world like that Australia, 28:48 you know, as you've seen there in those pictures 28:51 all over Europe and several times, 28:54 not just once. 28:55 You are dealing with the subculture that 28:56 that the outside world really doesn't know much about. 28:58 No. 29:00 People can see these guys and they see it on TV 29:03 and they might see them riding around town 29:05 and they stated themselves 29:06 as not generally problems with you know, them 29:10 and its like any other organized crime unit. 29:14 You know, they-- it's kind of enclosed 29:17 in their own little world. 29:19 So but its, it nonetheless it is, 29:22 you know, it's there. 29:23 Yeah. Yeah. 29:24 You know, people-- 29:26 you know, just because you've not seen them around 29:27 you might see them on a motorcycle 29:29 driving down the street or something 29:30 but they are there. 29:31 And obviously those clubs are very violent. 29:33 Very. 29:35 Yeah. Yeah. Lot of bad stuff going around. 29:37 Well, especially when you are looking 29:38 at the aspect of a one-percenter clubs 29:42 there's very few in the country that have that title 29:45 and they don't want anybody using that title 29:48 as a one-percenter means kind of the worst of the worst. 29:54 So you-- your testimony, 29:57 your story really is one of God bringing you a long way, man. 30:01 You were like deep in the stuff, 30:03 not toe in the water 30:04 you were in that, in the ocean. 30:05 Every aspect of violence that comes with that lifestyle 30:08 I've committed it, I've done it 30:12 and you know, as far as being in a point in my life where 30:17 there was a time in my life where I thought 30:19 I wouldn't always gonna drink beer. 30:21 I was always gonna smoke weed, I was always gonna party. 30:25 There was a time in my life when I thought like that 30:27 always. 30:28 Yeah. 30:29 And it wasn't until through, 30:30 coming through the knowledge of Jesus Christ that our minds, 30:34 I can't stress this enough when I go into the prisons. 30:38 You are gonna have a transformation. 30:40 If there is no transformation, then something is wrong. 30:44 Something is not working right. 30:45 You are not praying enough, 30:46 you are not studying enough, something. 30:48 But through the process of the transformation, 30:52 you no longer have the desires to do these things. 30:56 So this is-- well, once I come to that understanding 30:58 and start seeing that myself, 31:00 this is when I-- I got to tell other people about this. 31:03 I have to because other people know. 31:06 Yeah. 31:07 And that's very, very important that 31:09 no matter how far you've fallen, 31:11 God can rearrange your taste buds as it were. 31:13 So those things that you thought 31:14 you couldn't live without, you actually end up hating. 31:16 Right. 31:17 Yeah. And it was that way for you. 31:18 Right. Amen. 31:19 Yeah. I have no desire for it. 31:21 So, you know, not to say you're free from all temptations 31:27 but nevertheless I actually feel day by day 31:31 as I pray and study God's word, 31:34 I become stronger and stronger in my walk. 31:37 Amen. 31:38 And it comes back to the aspect to 31:41 and I tried to mention this to people a lot 31:42 because we have to put on armor daily. 31:46 If I'm gonna battle every day, 31:49 I have to be prepared to battle every day. 31:52 The minute I decide to walk out of the house 31:54 without my breast plate, 31:57 I'm open for attack. Yeah. Yeah. 31:59 If I, well, I'm not gonna put the shoes on today, 32:02 I just got my helmet of salvation on I'm good to go, 32:05 then we are open ourselves up. 32:07 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. 32:10 You come out of prison, you've got this desire 32:12 and this desire to do ministry 32:13 was formulated in prison, correct? 32:15 In prison because that's when I come to the realization that 32:19 through the process and it didn't happen overnight. 32:22 I didn't have the dramatic 32:25 Damascus road type experience in prison. 32:27 I had one but it wasn't dramatic. 32:30 It was actually in a chow hall 32:31 while I was yelling a bunch of profanity to other inmates 32:35 and had been going over to the chapel secretly 32:38 studying the Bible and watching C. D. Brooks 32:42 and Doug Batchelor tapes and Mark Finley tapes 32:45 and I had this experience in the chow hall 32:47 where I was yelling some profanity 32:48 and that's where the, man, 32:52 am I-- am I a big fraud? 32:55 Am I a big phony? 32:56 Yeah. 32:57 And because it seemed like everybody in the chow 32:59 turned and looked at me like, 33:01 man, you're going over at a chapeland 33:03 you coming here talking like this. 33:05 This what I thought but this is the Holy Spirit 33:07 telling me this 33:09 and I went back to my cell and got down on my knees 33:12 and prayed about it and that's when I said, 33:14 you know what, that's it. 33:15 Wow. That's it. 33:16 This is real and I'm going with it. 33:18 And there's been no looking back. 33:21 Praise God. 33:22 Now before our time gets over, let's go through this pictures 33:24 and kind of walk through that stuff 33:26 and I got some other stuff that I want to ask you, 33:27 but let's go to the first picture. 33:28 This is me and that shirt I got on 33:30 and I wanted that picture seen because the shirt says, 33:33 "Snitches are a Dying Breed." 33:34 And those shirts are just slogans. 33:36 Those were things that we lived. 33:37 That's a mess. Yeah. Yes. 33:38 Yeah. Yeah. We live that. 33:39 That was part of the lifestyle. 33:40 Wow. 33:43 This was a tattoo shop I had. 33:44 By the way I'm covered in tattoos 33:46 and I don't recommend them and this shop was called 33:48 "Marked for Life" and for real. 33:50 And I don't recommend them. 33:53 By the way this was me on my way to prison. 33:55 They had me self surrender so we decided to ride 33:58 the motorcycles to the prison 33:59 the day I went to turn myself in, 34:02 in June of 99 and that didn't go over good. 34:06 This is the prison ID card that they give you in there 34:09 and that was my prison number in the federal prison. 34:15 And yeah, that motorcycle entry 34:17 didn't go over too good in the prison. 34:19 This was me when I got baptized in the prison 34:21 with Pastor Dan Hall. 34:23 Now you say it didn't go over too good 34:24 among the fellow inmates and among the guards. 34:26 All the staff that-- 34:27 They thought you were kind of fun. 34:28 Oh, yeah, they felt 34:29 I was trying to intimidate the staff 34:31 by showing them I had some power. 34:34 And this, you know, I was blessed 34:35 to be able to participate in AFCOE program here 34:39 just recently in Albuquerque 34:40 with the Landmarks of Prophecy Series 34:42 with Pastor Doug Batchelor. 34:43 That's the AFCOE class. 34:45 That's the group of us in the beginning 34:48 and we went on a little hike there in Albuquerque 34:51 and that was a real blessing to me 34:53 to be able to participate in AFCOE 34:54 and if you remember when I was here last time, 34:56 I mentioned I would like to go to AFCOE. 34:58 Yeah. Yeah. 34:59 And here's it happened. Then I graduated the class. 35:04 I've been very excited about it and what some of the things 35:08 that God's done with me in my life through that. 35:10 Even being in Albuquerque, I was also able to be appointed 35:16 a position within the Texico Conference 35:19 as associate director of prison ministries. 35:22 I'm glad they came back to you 35:23 because I want to just stay here just a second. 35:25 What was the AFCOE experience like for you? 35:27 I know something you wanted to do. 35:28 Did it meet with your expectation? 35:30 Did you really grow and learn? 35:31 It surpassed. 35:33 I thought through to my studying, 35:36 being studying the Bible and being in prison, 35:38 you know, a lot of people 35:39 don't have the time to study out, 35:41 you know, on the streets I can do in prison. 35:43 I thought I have a edge on them. 35:44 Yeah. 35:45 No, it's a very challenging program. 35:47 Praise the Lord. I was shot. 35:48 I honestly was and I was worried 35:51 all the way up here to just recently 35:53 I received my certificate and I got four A's and one B. 35:56 All right. 35:57 So I did better than I thought I would do 36:00 but I-- man, it was very challenging. 36:03 It's a very strong program and I recommend it for anybody 36:08 even just want to make your deeper faith 36:11 with your personal relationship with Jesus. 36:13 It was very good program. Praise the Lord. 36:15 You know, you think about people 36:17 who are career criminals, 36:19 a lot of those guys are pretty brand new guys. 36:21 I mean, they are not stupid, they just pointed 36:24 their energies in the wrong direction, 36:26 but it's not a matter of smart or dumb. 36:28 To live out there and to play the system 36:30 like a lot of you guys do, 36:31 you go to got to have something upstairs. 36:33 And it showed in my lifestyle because through the years, 36:37 you know, if you go to work somewhere 36:39 and you work your way up through a corporation, 36:41 you become more successful. 36:44 It did the same with me in that lifestyle, 36:46 before my last prison sentence I had the tattoo shop, 36:50 I had nightclub in Detroit Motor City Social Club, 36:54 I was part owner of another bar which I couldn't own bars 36:57 but I could buy it and have it on someone else's name. 37:00 Also with our gambling north star vending 37:03 gambling machines in bars. 37:06 I was doing money collecting. 37:09 You name it, I was living that lifestyle and, 37:12 you know, I had the money that came with it. 37:13 Right. 37:15 So you knew how to make money. 37:16 I mean, you always had cash in hand. 37:17 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 37:18 Yeah, large amounts of cash. 37:21 Bless God. 37:23 But I-- Yeah. 37:24 You know, I'm not saying this 37:26 would I like to have a lot of money today? 37:28 Everybody would, you know, to be, you know 37:30 but my life and I don't look at it that way anymore. 37:32 Right. 37:33 I always had that void 37:35 I could go out and make $80,000 in a night 37:39 some nights and some days and I did occasionally 37:42 and you would still had come home the next day 37:46 and you are looking for something else. 37:47 You still have that void, you know, what I mean. 37:50 And till we fill that void with what, 37:52 you know, through the Holy Spirit, 37:53 we are always gonna be hungering for something. 37:55 Now I'm still hungering but I'm hungering for continue 37:58 with Jesus Christ and studying His word. 38:00 Praise God. You understand? 38:02 So it's the same, same principle 38:04 as what we are trying to fill with what? 38:08 Now talk to me a little bit about David, 38:10 what happened with the Texico Conference 38:11 because you are leading it, I thought you are 38:13 but God opened the door there, didn't He? 38:15 Yeah, God opened the door there. 38:16 The conference chose to open them-- 38:19 start a prison ministry department 38:22 and Pastor Leroy Green is the director of it 38:26 and he has a prior experience with prison. 38:29 He served eight or nine years. 38:31 Had a life sentence at one point. 38:33 He was blessed to be able to come up out of that. 38:35 Yeah. 38:36 And so he is the director, I'm associate director 38:39 and we just want to equip the churches 38:41 within the Texico Conference. 38:43 If they want to be involved in prison ministry 38:46 the dos and don'ts and the motivation to do it. 38:49 To do it, yeah, yeah. 38:50 There is some-- there are some things 38:52 that people can get caught up in 38:54 that you don't want to do in prison ministry 38:57 and so we are trying to safeguard him from that too. 39:00 So you do a fair bit of traveling, 39:02 you're still an evangelist? 39:03 Yes. 39:04 This time you are romancing for Jesus. 39:05 Yes. 39:06 And I would love to go back to those places 39:08 where I was around the world and do that. 39:12 And also I was married, I got married, 39:14 I don't know if we showed that picture? 39:15 No, we didn't. 39:16 We need to, we need to get to that picture. 39:18 Yeah, this is my wife and I 39:20 at the Midland Juvenile Detention Center 39:22 in Midland County 39:23 that we go in there weekly and talk to juveniles. 39:26 And my wife-- I met my wife through being here at 3ABN. 39:30 She is from Spearfish, South Dakota 39:33 and we met and started conversing. 39:35 This is her here, that was the day we were married 39:37 and we met and started talking back and forth 39:41 through the internet, then on the phone 39:44 and we started visiting each other 39:46 and we've been married on April 27th 39:48 that will be two years. 39:50 So I was-- my wife could have came with me right now 39:53 but she's got some-- we are trying to help 39:56 this young boy out in Houston 39:58 and she is over there taking care of him. 40:00 So she saw you when you were last here? 40:01 Yep. 40:02 Saw me on 3ABN and that's how we met. 40:04 Yeah. I'm curious. 40:05 Well, she the only one that wrote you? 40:07 Is that the only one? No. 40:08 No. No. 40:09 Man, I got emails. Yes, I thought-- 40:11 Oh, no, I got plenty emails from all over the world, 40:16 plenty emails. 40:17 How did you whittle that list down, man to-- 40:19 Oh, I wasn't looking for. 40:20 It wasn't like I was just getting 40:21 the list of the women. 40:23 So you discovered a bunch of contacts on a number of-- 40:25 Yeah, for people interested in prison ministry 40:27 and stuff like that. 40:28 Okay. 40:29 And through her and I talking about prison ministry 40:32 she was involved with sending lessons 40:34 to jails and stuff. 40:35 She was doing it little bit, 40:37 through her and I started talking and she was single 40:40 and I was single and it developed into a romance. 40:42 Praise the Lord. Praise God. 40:44 We married. 40:45 So there is a lot of interest out there 40:48 to do work in prisons, is that what you are finding? 40:50 Yes, it's a big mission field. 40:51 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 40:52 And another thing I talk about this a lot. 40:55 600,000 people are released out of United States prisons 41:00 each year back into the society. 41:02 Now give me the number again? Six hundred thousand. 41:04 Wow. Get out a year. 41:06 Now they are being replaced 41:08 with still over two million locked up 41:10 and there's just people taking those beds. 41:12 Yes, so the door is swinging. I mean, out and in. 41:14 Right. People are getting out. 41:15 Someone that got locked up 10 years ago 41:17 is getting out tomorrow. 41:18 Right. 41:19 So there is 600,000 people getting out. 41:23 It's a big mission field. 41:24 Crime affects everybody in the community 41:27 of 310 million people in this country are affected by crime. 41:31 Even if it's just something 41:33 as simple as you walking down the street, 41:35 you see a stranger lurking over, 41:37 you may not even be victimized 41:39 but you are victim because you start becoming nervous 41:42 or conscious and worried about this person 41:46 lurking in the shadows. 41:47 So it's a big problem. Yeah. 41:50 My goal is to put these prison guards out of work. 41:52 Amen. 41:53 I would love to see it happen and I know, 41:56 I know personally through myself, 41:57 through the power of prayer and studying God's word, 42:02 people's lives can be changed. 42:04 And I know there's people out there struggling right now 42:07 with the same lifestyle. 42:08 They are struggling with drugs. 42:09 They are struggling with these things, 42:11 these very same things that I struggled with. 42:14 They can be set free through studying the Bible and prayer. 42:20 If we don't study the Bible, 42:22 if you-- we are not gonna be able to take it. 42:23 If you are not gonna be able to know 42:25 what the Holy Spirit is saying 42:28 through the word, 42:30 you are not gonna have an applicable in your life, 42:32 you are not gonna be able to apply it. 42:34 Right. 42:35 You don't even know what to ask for 42:36 or what's available to you because you haven't studied. 42:39 Let me give you a quick scenario of this. 42:41 This is about six or eight months go. 42:44 I'm in a store, I'm in Wal-Mart in where I live 42:48 and there is a bank in there and I'm cashing a check. 42:51 And I looked through the side 42:53 and I'm the next person in line for the teller 42:55 and I look and I see the girl counting 42:57 a bunch of money out to this guy 42:59 and I looked little close and its $100 bills. 43:03 So the first thing that pops in my mind is 43:06 I started counting too by the way 43:08 as I see her counting so many. 43:09 I counted 2,300. 43:12 The first thing that pops in my mind, 43:14 man, I could use it 2,300 right about now. 43:17 Yeah. 43:18 Immediately this was what come in my mind. 43:20 I'm still, you know, I still got my old nature 43:23 and I see it and I think man, I would like to had that money. 43:26 How could I get that money? 43:27 Immediately 2 Corinthians 10:5 comes into my mind, 43:33 "Take every captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ." 43:37 Yes. Yes. 43:39 If I did not know that scripture, 43:42 I may have acted out on that thought. 43:44 Yeah. Yeah. You understand it. 43:46 You might not get out of the parking lot 43:47 with that money. 43:48 I could have used it 2,300. 43:51 But through the process of the Holy Spirit 43:53 that scripture come to my mind, 43:55 I immediately took the thought, captive prayed 43:58 and asked God for that man 43:59 to get home safely with that money. 44:00 Yes. Yeah. 44:01 So this is the thing and I stress, 44:04 if we don't know the scriptures how are you gonna apply it? 44:08 Right. 44:09 The Holy Spirit is there and available for us 44:11 to have that power 44:13 but if I can't, I can't access it, 44:17 how you are gonna use it? 44:18 Yeah. Yeah. 44:19 So the Bible study it showed as self approved, 44:21 it's also given you a weapon to fight against those times 44:24 when your flesh is weak because you got a history. 44:27 Ten years ago you might have said, 44:28 you know, I'm taking it. 44:29 End of the story. 44:31 Oh, there was a time in my life, there is no way 44:32 that dude would have got out of that parking lot 44:34 with that money. 44:35 I mean, I just, you know, wouldn't even been about, 44:38 you know, sir, can I have that money? 44:39 I would have cracked his head 44:40 and took it right off his pocket, 44:42 waved at the camera, went out about my business. 44:44 Wow. Wow. 44:45 You know, so there was a time when that no way 44:47 would he ever got by with that, 44:49 but that's through the power of the Holy Spirit. 44:51 Jesus tell us, He is gonna send the comforter. 44:54 We will be able to call His words to remembrance. 44:56 Yes. Yes. Yes. 44:57 That means I have to have heard it at one point 45:00 or read it to be able to memorize. 45:02 You can't recall what's in-- we didn't get it now what kind? 45:05 So I have seen so many people in prisons 45:07 with this mindset well, 45:09 you know, pray and ask the-- be filled with the Holy Spirit. 45:13 God can work however He wants to work it, 45:16 but with me I have to feed on the word. 45:20 I had to study the word so-- 45:22 I wish God would just zap it in me. 45:25 That would be so sweet but this is not how it works. 45:28 So... I want to do this before our time gets over 45:31 because God gave you another little avenue 45:34 that we are gonna talk about. 45:35 In rearview we are gonna about it in a second, 45:36 but I want to go to David contact information. 45:40 Obviously he is a powerful evangelist 45:43 for this ministry that God has given him. 45:47 You may want to start a prison ministry 45:49 in your church. 45:50 You may need to have someone come in 45:52 to speak to young people who can talk their language 45:54 and has the pedigree to deal with the kinds of things 45:58 that they may throw at you 45:59 if you've not had his experience and certainly 46:02 has the presentation to arrest them-- 46:05 I used that word wisely but to arrest them 46:07 in their course and to really get them to listen. 46:10 Here is the contact you need, contact information 46:12 that you will need for Onesimus Ministry 46:15 and to do and contact David. 46:22 Onesimus Freedom Ministry is here to help you 46:25 find freedom and peace through Jesus Christ. 46:28 If you would like to know more about this ministry, 46:30 then you can write to Onesimus Freedom Ministry, 46:34 P O Box 3103, Midland, Texas, 79702. 46:39 That's Onesimus Freedom Ministry, 46:42 P O Box 3103, Midland, Texas, 79702. 46:48 Or you can visit them online at onesimusfreedomministry.org. 46:53 Thats onesimusfreedomministry.org. 47:09 So that's the information that you need for David Casey 47:12 and I'm sure it will be a-- 47:14 you know, give him a weekend, 47:15 give him a Friday or Saturday or Sunday 47:17 and he can make some dramatic changes. 47:20 Got to ask you man, your wife shares your ministry? 47:22 Yes. 47:23 She is part of it? Yes. 47:24 Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. 47:26 Came down from goldfish, cold fish? 47:29 No, she was in Spearfish, South Dakota. 47:30 Spearfish, yeah. Yeah. 47:32 She wants to get back home to South Dakota. 47:34 West Texas is little different than South Dakota. 47:37 I would believe so. 47:38 You're thinking about making that move or no? 47:41 My door is open and whoever, whoever opens up 47:44 for with through Lord I'm open. 47:49 In light of what's happen in the last three years 47:52 who knows where I might be in three more. 47:53 Yeah. Yeah. 47:54 But obviously God is working, God is leading. 47:57 And He's got something for you to do. 47:59 We were talking about this 48:00 because even though you've taken AFCOE 48:02 and sometimes AFCOE guys end up in pastoral ministry, 48:05 don't see that for you. 48:06 You know, I think God has got 48:07 a different kind of ministry for you 48:09 because He has given you a different experience. 48:11 And talking about experiences, 48:14 walk us through this new radio event man, 48:16 because this is exciting stuff. 48:18 With my ministry, Onesimus Freedom Ministry, 48:21 I chose to go down to a radio station locally 48:24 and buy some airtime and I would do a topical sermon 48:28 each week and deal with issues for 30 minutes 48:32 and I went through a year of that 48:35 and owner of the station after about few months of doing 48:38 just asked me if would like to fill in 48:40 sometimes as a fill in host? 48:42 And I'm like, what? 48:45 Do his morning show, four hour show. 48:47 See now morning, you know radio. 48:50 You got morning drive, you got evening drive, 48:53 that's triple A stuff and I have done little radio. 48:56 That you put your best voice on in that slot 48:59 because that's when your viewership-- 49:01 your listenership is very, very high. 49:03 And I guess it just kind of came natural to me. 49:07 I honestly believe the Lord is using me, 49:09 training me through this radio station, 49:12 I would love to be in ministry radio, 49:16 you know, Adventist radio. 49:19 There's all different type of formats 49:21 but God is using this as a training process 49:24 and through that process of being a fill in host, 49:27 I developed into my own show 49:29 which I have Monday through Friday 49:32 5 pm to 7 pm Central Time and I'm on that radio station 49:37 KWEL 1070 AM and 107.1 FM in Midland, Texas. 49:41 Wow. 49:42 I'm shocked but this is God again. 49:44 Yeah. 49:45 And because I'm free to speak about my faith on my show, 49:49 I cover cultural, political, news 49:52 stories whichever is going on 49:54 and I try to tie it back into my faith. 49:58 Every day on my program I try to uplift Jesus Christ. 50:02 And I've had some of the audience notice that 50:04 and have made comments. 50:06 So it's a opportunity, 50:07 it's a very rare opportunity for me 50:09 on a secular radio station 50:12 which most of the audience is probably people 50:15 that attend church on the first day of the week 50:18 that I have been able to implement 50:20 and make some statements that you know, 50:24 to get people to think about 50:27 actually what the Bible really teach it. 50:28 Now, let's put some texture to this 50:31 because Midland where you are, 50:33 where is about how big population wise? 50:36 Midland-Odessa right now combined is like a metro area. 50:42 I would say easily almost 300,000 people 50:45 between the two cities. 50:47 Okay, so you are talking about a town the size of a Buffalo, 50:50 New York or Rochester in that 250, 350, 50:54 you know, decent size town. 50:56 So God puts you on a market that's got some crowd, 51:00 it's a decent crowd. 51:01 Yes, it's a major talk station major AM and FM talk station. 51:06 And he gives you AM and FM and he gives you evening drive. 51:11 Yep, I guess. 51:12 That's when people in their cars 51:14 that's when the listenership for that radio station 51:17 is the highest. 51:18 So God didn't give you 2 am in the morning, 51:20 He gave you evening drive. Right. 51:22 So that's a very, very visible-- 51:24 I use that term time a day. 51:27 Who is your leader? Who is on before you? 51:29 Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity, okay. 51:30 Number two radio show in the nation. 51:32 Yeah. Yes. You got a strong lead in. 51:34 God has positioned you, 51:36 He's done something very, very, very, very marvelous 51:38 there for you 51:40 and you got the freedom to talk about your faith. 51:41 Whatever. 51:42 I had never had him say anything to me 51:45 and I know the people of the station 51:47 have a different faith than mine 51:49 but never have they said, 51:50 well, don't say this or don't talk about that. 51:54 Through my broadcast 51:56 when I was doing my ministry broadcast, 51:58 I covered every aspect, every subject you can imagine. 52:02 Is Sunday sacred? Yeah. 52:04 I covered them all, every controversial issue 52:08 and it's the same audience. 52:10 Wow. That's impressive. 52:12 God obviously is doing some wonderful things 52:14 in your life and it's exciting. 52:17 This radio thing is gonna pop. You've been on how long? 52:22 I got my own show on December 15th, 52:24 I've been filling in on that station 52:26 for about a year and half and when I'm there 52:29 by the way I do the engineering, 52:31 the programming, I'm doing the whole deal, 52:34 I'm running the board everything. 52:35 So the training I'm gaining there is very-- 52:39 You are getting management training. 52:41 All the way. I'll just put that in the pot. 52:43 I can do every-- 52:44 Yeah, you are getting management training, yeah. 52:45 I can do everything in that station. 52:47 You are getting on air 52:48 and you are getting management training? 52:49 Yes. 52:50 So God puts one brick in a wall at a time, 52:52 you know that and so He's got something else for you. 52:56 We got to go now to our newsbreak 52:59 then we will comeback try to put little bow around this 53:01 with a closing thought. |
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