I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C.A. Murray
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and allow me once
again to thank you
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for sharing just a
little of your busy day with us.
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We thank you always
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for your love, your prayers,
your support of this ministry
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and we thank you for
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what you are
doing to partner with us
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to help us do what
we are called to do
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and that's to
take the name of Jesus
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around the world.
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Got a very, very, very, very,
very, very good program today.
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My guest is David Casey.
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You heard that name before
because he has been here before,
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but he has come back to give us
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sort of an
update, a little refresher
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on the things that the
Lord has been doing with him
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and to him and through him
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over the past couple of
years since he first came.
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Really a powerful testimony.
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First of all good looking guy,
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strong in the word and
I remember from the first,
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the first visit
when you were here,
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you were the big dog.
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You know, that was
it and we can go back
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and pick up some of that stuff.
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But first of all,
good to have you here, man.
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Thank you. Thank
you for having me.
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I appreciate it. Yeah.
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God has done some really
miraculous things with his life
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and turned him around and this
is gonna be an exciting hour
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that we spend
together because he is really,
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you talk about hit
the ground running,
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David has really
picked up some speed
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along with picking up a wife
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and we gonna
talk about that too.
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And picked up several
facets to his ministry
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over the past couple of
years that he's been away,
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so he's got a lot to tell us
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and, you know,
every time he speaks,
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he is a testament
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to what God can do to a life
once you put it in His hands.
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Can't go too far,
can't run too fast,
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can't do too much.
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God can turn you around
and use you in a powerful way
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and that's what
we are gonna find out
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as you listen to
David's story and testimony.
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Again man, good
to have you here.
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He's got a glow about him.
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He's big dude but he is doing
some big things for the Lord
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and we are
gonna talk about that.
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Before you-- and I
want couple of things.
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Before we go to
the music, Onesimus,
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now Onesimus of course
was a slave of Philemon.
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Why did you
choose that for your--
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that name for your ministry?
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I chose that
name for my ministry
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when I first read
that story in the book
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and Paul met this
individual in jail
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and he got out of jail
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and he became a
servant of the Lord.
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As soon as, as soon
as I read that I said
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man, that would be a good
name for a prison ministry
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and I chose that
while I was still in prison.
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And not just that, in the Greek
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that name means a value,
value useful and profitable
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and I said what
more do I want to do.
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This is exactly what I
want to do for the Lord.
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So I chose that name
Onesimus Freedom Ministry
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and that's what
my ministry is about.
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I'm proclaiming
freedom to people
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and not just
necessarily people in a prison.
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Anybody can be in bondage
to sin anywhere we are at
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and this is what my
ministry is all about
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proclaiming freedom to people
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through the
power of Jesus Christ
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to change people's lives.
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Excellent.
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Now, when we talk
about prison ministries,
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some people come with
theoretical knowledge.
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You know where I'm going,
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and some come
with inside knowledge.
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You kind of did it
from the inside out,
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let's go back
before we go to our music
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I just want to touch on this.
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You didn't spend like one
or two years in the joint.
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You were there for a
good little taste of time.
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Yeah, not just in the
joint, it was a lifestyle.
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Yeah.
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And last time I was
here, I talked about it
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but I didn't tell you,
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I served over 24 years in
state and federal institutions
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and I had been
in dozens of them.
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And it wasn't just
one trip to prison,
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I've been to prison five times.
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So it was a lifestyle
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and my thinking and
my mind was so distorted,
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so twisted around backwards,
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I didn't look at life as
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how long I was
gonna be in prison,
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I looked at life as how long
I'm gonna be on the streets?
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How long can I stay out?
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Oh, I just walked down seven,
I hope I can stay out seven.
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So my goal was to stay
out as long as I was in,
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it wasn't a matter of whether
I was gonna go to prison or not.
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Right.
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In that lifestyle you are either
gonna go to the penitentiary
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or you are going to
the cemetery pointblank
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that's all there is to it,
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if you continue
in that lifestyle.
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So I lived that lifestyle
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and only by the
grace of God I survived it
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because many, many those
dudes that I ran with are dead.
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I mean, and they
didn't have the opportunity.
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I use a picture
sometimes and I do my testimony
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in a juvenile detention center.
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I got a picture of
me and four other guys
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or five of us standing in
and posing on the prison yard
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all of us looking
hard, all tattooed up
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in a razor wire
in the background,
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gun tower in the background.
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All the guys in that picture
except for me are now dead.
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Wow.
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And if you would have ask them
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and someone
overdosed from heroin,
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David was shot and killed,
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another guy Jimmy was
killed in a motorcycle accident.
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So if you would ask those
guys today or at that time
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when we did that photo
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how long you are gonna live?
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They would have thought
they were gonna live just like,
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you know, 80, 70, 80 years old.
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Well, that's the thing
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we are never
guaranteed another breath.
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So in that lifestyle
it just eats people up
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and this is part of my--
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my desire is to let people
know that there is a way out
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and we all hear
these statements in prison.
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Oh, well, you know, just ask
Jesus to come into your heart
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and He will change your life.
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- That is true. - Yeah.
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That is true.
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But the
fascinating part about it is,
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you change the way we think
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so these things
that we used to find it,
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you know, exciting or fun
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we no longer have a desire to do
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and it changes your lifestyle
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because you no
longer have those desires.
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Now, let's-- I keeping
pushing this the music back
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but there are some
things I want to establish
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because I asked you--
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I'm trying to pick
up your speech pattern
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and when you said
Detroit I said okay that fits.
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So you are Detroit guy.
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- Yes. - Urban guy.
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- Yes. - Street guy.
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Walk me through
some of the early years,
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you know, because
you went in at what age?
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- Seventeen. -
For the first time.
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The first time I went in
for arm robbery at 17-years-old
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and I live a life of just,
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you know, through my upbringing
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and I don't mean to
discredit my parents.
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It's just the way life
went, that's that way it went
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and I was raised
into that lifestyle
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not that-- that's
what my parents chose
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but through the circumstances
that's what, what happened.
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So I was involved in
crime and stuff as early,
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my earliest childhood memories.
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Then at 17 it should have
been no surprise to anybody
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that I wound up in state
prison for arm robbery because
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I was a heroin
addict, I was, you know,
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using intravenous
drugs all these things.
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It's bad as they get.
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Yeah.
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So I went in at
17 for armed robbery
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with a 5 to 15 year
sentence that I wound up,
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you know, I escaped
during that process of that five
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but I wound up serving five
and half years on that sentence.
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And got out thinking you
know, I'm never going back
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and it was a very,
very short period of time
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where I, you
know, I got right back
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involved in crime,
right back in the lifestyle,
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went right back
to the hood and boom,
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wound up right back in prison
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and that time I
knew then this is it,
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this is the way it's gonna be.
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I'm gonna be either in
prison or in the streets.
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I at least had enough
common sense to realize
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if you live in this way
this is gonna be prison.
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You're gonna go to prison.
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You are not gonna
be able to continuously
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get away with crime.
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Yeah.
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There is gonna be a point
where they are gonna catch you,
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then its time to pay the piper
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or the cemetery as I
seen those guys go to.
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Now let me ask this, David,
because you are a big guy.
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Obviously the threat of
prison didn't deter you.
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I mean, you kind of a big
man on campus that was no--
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you could handle that.
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Yeah, but that's
not necessarily even--
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I've seen little guys,
you know, five foot five
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that are very
dangerous individuals
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as far as on the yard.
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The thing with the lifestyle
though with my parents,
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my dad inadvertently
raised us to be aggressive.
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So I was very aggressive,
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you know, so that lifestyle
and through the violence
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within my home
would-- and with my dad,
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I mean, my mother
taught us to steal,
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my dad tried to
beat that out of us.
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So I was taught from a early age
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I can control
you through violence.
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Through violence, yeah.
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So naturally at
17 going into prison
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and it was a
very violent situation
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and in that time in Michigan
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they didn't send people
young to a-- a young guy prison.
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There could be
another thing, right, yeah.
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They sent you, I went
straight into Jackson Prison
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with 6,000 inmates walled
prison in Southern Michigan
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and its maximum security prison.
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So I hate to say it,
I did feel comfortable.
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I got to a point where I was,
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I was able to deal with
the environment and I fit in.
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So I-- because I
understood the rules right away.
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This is how you play the game.
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You either gonna--
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you either
downward or you are not.
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You either gonna, you
know, these are the rules.
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So it had to be a
matter of high aggression
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to be able to survive it.
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And so my size was one
thing that might had deter
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somebody from to try to,
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you know, test you but
I've seen small guys too--
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Yes, kind of go. Yeah.
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- You can make it. - Yeah. Yeah.
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So your, your lifestyle, your--
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the way you approach
life was to go at it,
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to go aggressively.
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- Always. - Yeah.
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Always was even,
even when I got involved
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in a motorcycle club.
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I got involved with
the Outlaws Motorcycle Club
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which was a one-percenter club
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and that is not
just a motorcycle club,
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it's a one-percenter club
and that one-percenter means
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a group of guys that
are willing to kill or die
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for that motorcycle club.
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So it's-- that was a
very high level subculture
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even-- and it didn't
matter if I was doing drugs,
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I had to do the most drugs.
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If I was
whatever, I would try things
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and do things that
most people would think,
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you know, won't
even want to consider
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but I-- everything in
my life has been extreme
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and you know, it comes
right back to the Bible
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now, its the same outlook.
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My character has not--
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that aspect of my
character is not changed
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and as you and I
were speaking earlier,
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I'm trying to be
an extreme Christian.
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I'm trying, I'm--
so this is the thing
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that I tried to be a
fundamentalist Christian.
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I tried to let the
Bible and the Holy Spirit lead
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and dictate my lifestyle.
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So this is part of the--
it's part of my character
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that God is still
using and its the same way
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when I go into the prisons,
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Lord has blessed
me to be able to go
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into a state prisons in Texas
and juvenile detention center.
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I go in each week.
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The God has
blessed me with the ability
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and I go in the same character
and deliver this message.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So and guys are
responding to it.
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And sometimes it takes
a little that hardness,
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sometimes it takes that people
especially in that lifestyle,
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kind of culture.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I've not seen,
I've not seen a guy--
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you know, the
people that witness to me,
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the prison ministry team
that I encountered in Michigan
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through the Ann
Arbor Church in Michigan.
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They were coming into
the Milan Federal Prison
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in Michigan.
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Through that prison ministry
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that none of those
guys had criminal histories.
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So it doesn't--
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it didn't necessarily mean
you got to be a prior felon
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to be able to
reach people in prison.
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Agreed. I understand.
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There is a time for and
then there is time where,
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you know,
sometimes you just got a--
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I have a ministry that
God's using me in my way.
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Right. Right.
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And I think you look at James,
John, Peter, aggressive guys
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and Christ knew
if I can get them
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the channel that aggression--
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I mean, why change? When
you are serving the devil,
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I mean, you're full
boar serving the devil,
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so why not put
that same kind of energy
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into serving the Lord?
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You don't want to,
you don't want to be weak
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and turn into a wimp now.
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This is time to get
serious, you can get busy.
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So the same kind of energy
that you use in a life of crime,
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you're now focused
into serving Christ.
00:14:06.13\00:14:08.72
- Yes. - Yeah. Yeah.
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As you forgive my aim
nothing wrong with that.
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Right.
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That's just how it ought to be.
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You don't want to
back off serving the Lord,
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giving the same energy
that you gave to Satan.
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It's actually
time to step it up.
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Yeah, it is. It is.
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I always had this, I
always had this saying
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when I was in the
street, you're gonna be real,
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you want to keep the
real, then let's get with it.
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Now, it's the same way.
00:14:27.78\00:14:28.98
I have the same
outlook with my ministry today.
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This is real and I get with it.
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And you are as I said,
hitting the ground running.
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We are gonna go to our music now
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and then we want to come back
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and really just
kind of loose David
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because he's got a lot to say
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and God is
doing a lot of things.
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This is Joseph Palabrica,
00:14:45.72\00:14:48.17
a young man who
came in sometime ago.
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He is a beautiful guitar player
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and he is going
to be playing for us,
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"His Eye is on the Sparrow."
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Thank you, Joseph.
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Well done, "His
Eye is on the Sparrow."
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David has been saying
that that song has been coming
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into his life a lot lately.
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Maybe the Lord is trying
to tell you something, man.
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He will make it play it.
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Last few, last
few, I've been hearing
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this song coming up last
couple weeks quite often.
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Well, Lord has
got something for you.
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Tell me this, excuse me, David.
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How many years ago did
you come out of prison?
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I was released in 2009
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and so I've been--
quick calculate it up bro,
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quick but I've
been out since then.
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Yeah, how-- did you
give your life to the Lord
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while you were still in?
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Yes, while I was in
prison in 2002 August, 10th
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I was baptized in federal prison
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and we got some
pictures that we can look at.
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I would like to
show about some of that
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and also and I wanted
to talk a little bit about
00:20:00.35\00:20:03.07
the motorcycle club
because it is a subculture
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that people get caught up in
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and it was kind
of like a religion.
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I mean, everything
based around the club,
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the club, the club, the club.
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Everything was based around that
00:20:17.83\00:20:20.02
and it was a-- I was
in there for 10 years
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and it's a very
violent lifestyle.
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Very violent lifestyle.
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So the loyalty factor
set up was pretty high.
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I mean, you once
you and you sell out,
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you are in there.
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Well, I'm in their
eyes today I'm a dropout,
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I'm a sellout by
leaving, by quitting,
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you know, and I was in
federal prison at the time
00:20:43.27\00:20:45.57
when I came to
Christ and I called the club
00:20:45.60\00:20:48.79
and I told them, I
said I'm done with you.
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I quit.
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They said, you can't
quit while you are in prison.
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I said what?
00:20:53.05\00:20:54.12
They said, if you quit
while you are in prison
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you will be in bad standings.
00:20:55.30\00:20:58.17
Said man, you're
bad standings with me?
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What are you talking about?
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- Yeah. - You know, I quit.
00:21:01.02\00:21:02.65
Man, I'm done with it.
00:21:02.68\00:21:03.74
I'll see you when I get out of--
00:21:03.77\00:21:04.89
you know, if they have
problem with the situation.
00:21:04.92\00:21:08.13
But yeah, I came to the
Lord while in federal prison
00:21:08.16\00:21:12.97
and my life has
been changed since.
00:21:13.00\00:21:16.47
Was that, was that Adventism
00:21:16.50\00:21:17.81
or just coming to
Christ in general?
00:21:17.84\00:21:19.19
No, it was through
Adventist ministry.
00:21:19.22\00:21:21.66
Through a prison ministry
team and I had never known about
00:21:22.04\00:21:26.54
Seventh-day Adventists
00:21:26.57\00:21:27.62
and I had mentioned
this last time I was here.
00:21:27.65\00:21:30.14
A friend of mine
was telling me that,
00:21:30.17\00:21:33.76
you know, if you
ever get a chance to go to
00:21:33.79\00:21:35.23
Seventh-day
Adventist church go to one,
00:21:35.26\00:21:36.84
you know to chapel in the prison
00:21:36.87\00:21:38.66
if they ever come in.
00:21:38.69\00:21:39.73
I'm like, what?
Seventh-day Adventist
00:21:39.76\00:21:42.18
in my mind I'm
thinking for some reason
00:21:42.21\00:21:44.60
I envisioned Amish people.
00:21:44.63\00:21:47.20
You know, none
against Amish people--
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Right, right, I understand.
00:21:48.70\00:21:49.76
None against their overalls
00:21:49.79\00:21:50.87
but for some
reason that concept,
00:21:50.90\00:21:52.65
the beards, the overalls,
the hats came into my mind.
00:21:52.68\00:21:56.36
I had no thinking of
what Seventh-day Adventist was
00:21:56.39\00:22:00.90
and I started--
you know, I got curious
00:22:00.93\00:22:03.82
and I started going over there
00:22:03.85\00:22:06.31
and speaking
with these volunteers
00:22:06.34\00:22:08.23
and they-- I challenged them
00:22:08.26\00:22:11.22
on every aspect of
the scriptures that,
00:22:11.25\00:22:13.67
you know, that I thought
00:22:13.70\00:22:15.15
and I finally got to
a point where I said,
00:22:15.18\00:22:17.92
you know what, if
I'm gonna be a Christian
00:22:17.95\00:22:20.78
then I can only be what
the Bible says a Christian is,
00:22:20.81\00:22:23.68
it's gonna be nothing else.
00:22:23.71\00:22:25.52
And-- then I just
accepted that fact
00:22:25.55\00:22:29.45
and we continued to study
00:22:29.48\00:22:30.97
and I decided to
be baptized in there,
00:22:31.00\00:22:33.68
in August 10th of 2002.
00:22:33.71\00:22:36.79
And Pastor Dan
Hall was the pastor
00:22:36.82\00:22:39.31
at Ann Arbor
Church at that time.
00:22:39.34\00:22:40.83
He is in
Georgia now baptized me.
00:22:40.86\00:22:42.65
Yeah.
00:22:42.68\00:22:43.75
So you still had a little
stretch on your, on your bit.
00:22:43.78\00:22:46.18
I mean, you got
some time still that--
00:22:46.21\00:22:47.89
yeah, you won't
come in right away.
00:22:47.92\00:22:49.29
Yeah, I got transferred
down to FCI Seagoville in Dallas
00:22:49.32\00:22:54.24
and had a nice experience there
because they didn't have any
00:22:54.27\00:22:56.77
Seventh-day Adventist
services at that institution
00:22:56.80\00:22:59.83
and I was blessed to
be able to get it started.
00:22:59.86\00:23:02.70
Oh, wow.
00:23:02.73\00:23:03.76
Took 10 months and then
some volunteers come in there
00:23:03.79\00:23:06.86
and Brother Anderson
he is pastor Anderson
00:23:06.89\00:23:10.08
now at Arlington
Southern Worship Center
00:23:10.11\00:23:14.56
in Arlington
00:23:14.59\00:23:15.71
and another pastor,
Pastor Rogers Johnson
00:23:15.74\00:23:19.00
was coming in.
00:23:19.03\00:23:20.06
He would've been a
pastor of one of the churches
00:23:20.09\00:23:22.04
there in Dallas.
00:23:22.07\00:23:23.18
So they start coming
into the prison there
00:23:23.21\00:23:24.76
and by time I left
Seagoville we had two baptisms
00:23:24.79\00:23:28.36
and had, you know, 12
to 14 inmates in there
00:23:28.39\00:23:31.34
on service every week.
00:23:31.37\00:23:32.83
Yeah.
00:23:32.86\00:23:33.95
Now you readily admit
that when you were in prison,
00:23:33.98\00:23:36.17
you were not a shrinking violet,
00:23:36.20\00:23:37.57
you weren't a
rich shy retiring guy.
00:23:37.60\00:23:39.73
You kind of took
control of your surrounding.
00:23:39.76\00:23:41.51
- Oh, definitely. - Yeah.
00:23:41.54\00:23:42.77
That when I was
in-- before I was even
00:23:42.80\00:23:47.10
professed to be a Christian,
00:23:47.13\00:23:49.03
when I was in, I
was considered like
00:23:49.06\00:23:51.94
a shot collar or a rock boss,
00:23:51.97\00:23:56.20
you got all
different names for it
00:23:56.23\00:23:57.55
but, yeah, no, I was
very aggressive inmate
00:23:57.58\00:24:01.07
and you know, I
did everything that
00:24:01.10\00:24:04.90
you can do to people in prison.
00:24:04.93\00:24:06.24
I've seen everything happening.
00:24:06.27\00:24:07.87
In 24 years I
was in prison riots
00:24:07.90\00:24:10.11
in Jackson, Michigan.
00:24:10.14\00:24:11.81
In 1981 I've seen
every act of violence
00:24:11.84\00:24:15.44
that can be done to people.
00:24:15.47\00:24:16.94
I participated in all kinds
of violent acts against inmates
00:24:16.97\00:24:22.21
and it's all over.
00:24:22.24\00:24:25.50
Could be something as silly as
this guy is from another town,
00:24:25.53\00:24:28.13
said something about your town,
00:24:28.16\00:24:30.06
you know, or drugs, or you know,
00:24:30.09\00:24:32.53
prison is a subculture
that it's like a little town,
00:24:32.57\00:24:35.66
like a little world in there.
00:24:35.69\00:24:36.77
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:36.80\00:24:37.83
You know, eight dollars
could-- can get you killed.
00:24:37.86\00:24:40.26
Wow.
00:24:40.29\00:24:41.32
You know, so
everything is magnified.
00:24:41.35\00:24:44.13
You know, it's not quite
00:24:44.16\00:24:45.48
the same as
being in the streets.
00:24:45.51\00:24:46.99
In the streets, yeah.
00:24:47.02\00:24:50.18
Did your fellow inmates
see a dramatic change in you
00:24:50.21\00:24:56.30
once you came to the Lord
00:24:56.33\00:24:58.99
and how did
they respond to that?
00:24:59.02\00:25:00.83
Yes, they did.
00:25:00.86\00:25:03.33
I had guys actually
would come to my cell
00:25:03.36\00:25:05.52
and I would be reading the
Bible and studying my Bible
00:25:05.55\00:25:07.75
which I still have
this same Bible today
00:25:07.78\00:25:11.59
and I would be studying
and they would come to me
00:25:11.62\00:25:13.20
and say, hey, man, big dog.
Man, put that Bible down, man.
00:25:13.23\00:25:17.83
Put that Bible down, man.
00:25:17.86\00:25:19.09
This all you are
doing is studying the Bible?
00:25:19.12\00:25:21.90
I said, yeah, man, I'm
on something right now.
00:25:21.93\00:25:24.16
I will catch
you later, I'm busy.
00:25:24.19\00:25:26.54
Yeah, but, man.
00:25:26.57\00:25:27.86
And I've had guys, you know,
00:25:27.89\00:25:29.70
different criminal
organizations from Chicago
00:25:29.73\00:25:34.00
and different
places were like, man,
00:25:34.03\00:25:35.42
you used to be fun.
00:25:35.45\00:25:37.06
you used to be fun.
you used to be kind of come
00:25:37.09\00:25:39.03
in there we could joke around.
00:25:39.06\00:25:40.12
Man, all you want to
do now is read the Bible.
00:25:40.15\00:25:42.59
And I started-- you know,
00:25:42.62\00:25:44.88
we can get on a diet
or we can get exercise
00:25:44.91\00:25:47.60
and start lifting
weights and not necessarily
00:25:47.63\00:25:51.05
notice a change in
ourselves, in our appearance.
00:25:51.08\00:25:54.41
And other people might
say, hey, man, you are on diet.
00:25:54.44\00:25:56.60
People start noticing
it before we notice it.
00:25:56.63\00:25:59.08
Very true.
00:25:59.11\00:26:00.21
So but when we see it,
when you can look into mirror
00:26:00.24\00:26:03.40
and you can see
the change yourself
00:26:03.43\00:26:05.81
then you know
there has been a change
00:26:05.84\00:26:08.17
and I started seeing it.
00:26:08.20\00:26:09.83
I started seeing the
change in my own behavior,
00:26:09.86\00:26:12.81
whether it was even
as simple as how I--
00:26:12.84\00:26:15.25
the language I used.
00:26:15.28\00:26:16.31
Yeah.
00:26:16.34\00:26:17.37
You know, I talked as--
00:26:17.40\00:26:18.79
there is much
profanity as anybody.
00:26:18.82\00:26:20.63
I was, you know, I mean,
being in that motorcycle club
00:26:20.66\00:26:24.53
it's like a barbarian lifestyle.
00:26:24.56\00:26:27.58
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:27.61\00:26:28.67
There is no, you know, some--
00:26:28.70\00:26:32.06
but I would like to show
00:26:32.09\00:26:33.12
some pictures about
that if we have time.
00:26:33.15\00:26:34.49
Yeah, let's do so.
00:26:34.52\00:26:35.72
If we got time.
00:26:35.75\00:26:36.80
And this is me in
the federal prison
00:26:36.84\00:26:38.87
being baptized
by Pastor Dan Hall
00:26:38.90\00:26:41.70
and as I said it
was August 10th 2002
00:26:41.73\00:26:45.97
and that was at Milan
Federal Prison in Michigan and--
00:26:46.00\00:26:50.47
That look
ponytail I see you got?
00:26:50.50\00:26:51.72
Yeah, I had long hair and
I had long hair at the time
00:26:51.75\00:26:55.39
and a beard because
when I first came to the Lord
00:26:55.42\00:26:58.27
there in the prison I was,
00:26:58.31\00:26:59.98
you know, I looked exactly
00:27:00.01\00:27:01.11
like the kind of guy I was,
00:27:01.14\00:27:02.30
you know, motorcycle,
drug dealing, motorcycle guy.
00:27:02.33\00:27:05.89
You know, motorcycle
gangsters what it is.
00:27:05.92\00:27:07.78
Right.
00:27:07.81\00:27:08.87
And it was--
00:27:08.90\00:27:12.42
that was pretty
much how I was living.
00:27:12.45\00:27:15.32
This is another
shot where I had been
00:27:15.35\00:27:16.75
all over the world
with this motorcycle club
00:27:16.78\00:27:20.10
and this-- I've been to England
00:27:20.14\00:27:22.95
and a lot of these
places, Germany so this picture
00:27:22.98\00:27:26.03
we're showing,
looking it right now
00:27:26.07\00:27:28.02
and I have been to Australia.
00:27:28.05\00:27:32.23
I would like to actually do
all the places that I've been.
00:27:32.26\00:27:35.42
This is me in
Melbourne, Australia right here.
00:27:35.45\00:27:37.34
Wow.
00:27:37.37\00:27:38.40
All these places I had been,
00:27:38.43\00:27:39.46
I would like to
be able to go now
00:27:39.49\00:27:41.14
and evangelize for Jesus Christ.
00:27:41.17\00:27:44.04
At this time going
to these countries--
00:27:44.07\00:27:46.85
that's me in Frankfurt,
Germany sitting there.
00:27:46.88\00:27:49.69
What I would do
when the motorcycle club
00:27:49.72\00:27:52.18
at this time we
called it romancing
00:27:52.21\00:27:54.95
and I would go to these other
00:27:54.98\00:27:56.47
motorcycle clubs
in these countries
00:27:56.50\00:27:58.90
and stay with them for,
00:27:58.93\00:28:00.58
you know, periods of
time, several weeks or whatever
00:28:00.61\00:28:03.50
and we would
try to win them over
00:28:03.53\00:28:05.31
to changeover to become outlaws.
00:28:05.34\00:28:07.36
Oh, wow.
00:28:07.39\00:28:08.43
Because all
these motorcycle clubs
00:28:08.46\00:28:09.56
are international now.
00:28:09.59\00:28:11.75
They are all
international major clubs.
00:28:11.78\00:28:13.85
So we call it romancing.
00:28:13.88\00:28:15.54
In our church we
call it evangelizing.
00:28:15.57\00:28:17.98
We are trying to
evangelize somebody
00:28:18.01\00:28:19.88
into, into
accepting Jesus Christ.
00:28:19.91\00:28:23.60
with the motorcycle
club it was called romancing.
00:28:23.63\00:28:25.42
So I understand,
00:28:25.45\00:28:26.50
so covering all
of this territory
00:28:26.53\00:28:27.62
was for the motorcycle gang?
00:28:27.65\00:28:28.82
For the motorcycle club.
00:28:28.85\00:28:29.89
I see.
00:28:29.92\00:28:30.95
And I was like, you
know, an ambassador of the club
00:28:30.98\00:28:33.88
and I would go
stay with these people,
00:28:33.91\00:28:35.16
seeing if they had the ability
00:28:35.19\00:28:37.21
if we thought would
they be good outlaws?
00:28:37.24\00:28:40.26
And I could make
that determination
00:28:40.29\00:28:42.29
while I was there.
00:28:42.32\00:28:44.21
So I traveled around all over
the world like that Australia,
00:28:44.25\00:28:48.29
you know, as you've
seen there in those pictures
00:28:48.33\00:28:51.08
all over Europe
and several times,
00:28:51.11\00:28:54.13
not just once.
00:28:54.16\00:28:55.28
You are dealing
with the subculture that
00:28:55.31\00:28:56.84
that the outside world
really doesn't know much about.
00:28:56.87\00:28:58.88
No.
00:28:58.91\00:29:00.10
People can see these
guys and they see it on TV
00:29:00.13\00:29:03.15
and they might see
them riding around town
00:29:03.18\00:29:05.11
and they stated themselves
00:29:05.15\00:29:06.87
as not generally
problems with you know, them
00:29:06.91\00:29:10.52
and its like any
other organized crime unit.
00:29:10.56\00:29:14.61
You know, they--
it's kind of enclosed
00:29:14.64\00:29:17.43
in their own little world.
00:29:17.46\00:29:19.46
So but its, it
nonetheless it is,
00:29:19.49\00:29:22.70
you know, it's there.
00:29:22.73\00:29:23.79
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:23.82\00:29:24.85
You know, people--
00:29:24.88\00:29:26.17
you know, just because
you've not seen them around
00:29:26.20\00:29:27.81
you might see
them on a motorcycle
00:29:27.84\00:29:29.07
driving down the
street or something
00:29:29.10\00:29:30.18
but they are there.
00:29:30.21\00:29:31.94
And obviously those
clubs are very violent.
00:29:31.97\00:29:33.94
Very.
00:29:33.97\00:29:35.00
Yeah. Yeah. Lot of
bad stuff going around.
00:29:35.03\00:29:37.30
Well, especially
when you are looking
00:29:37.33\00:29:38.91
at the aspect of a
one-percenter clubs
00:29:38.94\00:29:42.05
there's very few in the
country that have that title
00:29:42.08\00:29:45.63
and they don't want
anybody using that title
00:29:45.66\00:29:48.37
as a one-percenter means
kind of the worst of the worst.
00:29:48.40\00:29:54.68
So you-- your testimony,
00:29:54.71\00:29:57.67
your story really is one of God
bringing you a long way, man.
00:29:57.70\00:30:01.94
You were like deep in the stuff,
00:30:01.97\00:30:03.09
not toe in the water
00:30:03.12\00:30:04.51
you were in that, in the ocean.
00:30:04.54\00:30:05.93
Every aspect of violence
that comes with that lifestyle
00:30:05.96\00:30:08.86
I've committed it, I've done it
00:30:08.89\00:30:12.19
and you know, as far as being
in a point in my life where
00:30:12.22\00:30:17.22
there was a time in
my life where I thought
00:30:17.25\00:30:19.05
I wouldn't
always gonna drink beer.
00:30:19.08\00:30:20.99
I was always gonna smoke
weed, I was always gonna party.
00:30:21.02\00:30:25.16
There was a time in my
life when I thought like that
00:30:25.19\00:30:26.98
always.
00:30:27.01\00:30:28.04
Yeah.
00:30:28.07\00:30:29.10
And it wasn't until through,
00:30:29.13\00:30:30.67
coming through the knowledge
of Jesus Christ that our minds,
00:30:30.70\00:30:34.93
I can't stress this enough
when I go into the prisons.
00:30:34.96\00:30:38.75
You are gonna
have a transformation.
00:30:38.78\00:30:40.94
If there is no transformation,
then something is wrong.
00:30:40.97\00:30:44.16
Something is not working right.
00:30:44.19\00:30:45.50
You are not praying enough,
00:30:45.53\00:30:46.59
you are not
studying enough, something.
00:30:46.62\00:30:48.62
But through the
process of the transformation,
00:30:48.65\00:30:52.32
you no longer have the
desires to do these things.
00:30:52.35\00:30:56.07
So this is-- well, once I
come to that understanding
00:30:56.10\00:30:58.87
and start seeing that myself,
00:30:58.90\00:31:00.60
this is when I-- I got to
tell other people about this.
00:31:00.63\00:31:03.67
I have to because
other people know.
00:31:03.70\00:31:06.65
Yeah.
00:31:06.68\00:31:07.71
And that's very,
very important that
00:31:07.74\00:31:09.43
no matter how far you've fallen,
00:31:09.46\00:31:11.38
God can rearrange
your taste buds as it were.
00:31:11.41\00:31:13.55
So those things that you thought
00:31:13.58\00:31:14.71
you couldn't live without,
you actually end up hating.
00:31:14.74\00:31:16.09
Right.
00:31:16.12\00:31:17.17
Yeah. And it was
that way for you.
00:31:17.20\00:31:18.45
Right. Amen.
00:31:18.48\00:31:19.80
Yeah. I have no desire for it.
00:31:19.83\00:31:21.81
So, you know, not to say
you're free from all temptations
00:31:21.84\00:31:27.64
but nevertheless I
actually feel day by day
00:31:27.67\00:31:31.86
as I pray and study God's word,
00:31:31.89\00:31:34.33
I become stronger
and stronger in my walk.
00:31:34.36\00:31:37.54
Amen.
00:31:37.57\00:31:38.84
And it comes
back to the aspect to
00:31:38.87\00:31:41.06
and I tried to
mention this to people a lot
00:31:41.09\00:31:42.95
because we have to
put on armor daily.
00:31:42.98\00:31:46.26
If I'm gonna battle every day,
00:31:46.29\00:31:49.17
I have to be
prepared to battle every day.
00:31:49.20\00:31:51.99
The minute I decide
to walk out of the house
00:31:52.02\00:31:54.27
without my breast plate,
00:31:54.30\00:31:57.27
I'm open for attack. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:57.30\00:31:59.50
If I, well, I'm not
gonna put the shoes on today,
00:31:59.53\00:32:02.53
I just got my helmet of
salvation on I'm good to go,
00:32:02.56\00:32:05.85
then we are open ourselves up.
00:32:05.88\00:32:07.28
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well said.
00:32:07.31\00:32:10.27
You come out of
prison, you've got this desire
00:32:10.30\00:32:12.50
and this desire to do ministry
00:32:12.53\00:32:13.75
was formulated
in prison, correct?
00:32:13.78\00:32:15.49
In prison because that's when
I come to the realization that
00:32:15.52\00:32:19.75
through the process and
it didn't happen overnight.
00:32:19.78\00:32:22.67
I didn't have the dramatic
00:32:22.70\00:32:25.13
Damascus road type
experience in prison.
00:32:25.16\00:32:27.69
I had one but
it wasn't dramatic.
00:32:27.72\00:32:30.04
It was actually in a chow hall
00:32:30.07\00:32:31.86
while I was yelling a bunch
of profanity to other inmates
00:32:31.89\00:32:35.37
and had been going
over to the chapel secretly
00:32:35.40\00:32:38.53
studying the Bible
and watching C. D. Brooks
00:32:38.56\00:32:42.08
and Doug Batchelor
tapes and Mark Finley tapes
00:32:42.11\00:32:45.22
and I had this
experience in the chow hall
00:32:45.25\00:32:47.08
where I was
yelling some profanity
00:32:47.12\00:32:48.46
and that's where the, man,
00:32:48.49\00:32:51.97
am I-- am I a big fraud?
00:32:52.00\00:32:55.05
Am I a big phony?
00:32:55.08\00:32:56.11
Yeah.
00:32:56.14\00:32:57.17
And because it seemed
like everybody in the chow
00:32:57.20\00:32:59.57
turned and looked at me like,
00:32:59.60\00:33:01.92
man, you're going
over at a chapeland
00:33:01.95\00:33:03.47
you coming here
talking like this.
00:33:03.50\00:33:05.03
This what I thought
but this is the Holy Spirit
00:33:05.06\00:33:07.71
telling me this
00:33:07.74\00:33:09.49
and I went back to my
cell and got down on my knees
00:33:09.52\00:33:12.25
and prayed about it
and that's when I said,
00:33:12.28\00:33:14.06
you know what, that's it.
00:33:14.09\00:33:15.28
Wow. That's it.
00:33:15.31\00:33:16.57
This is real and
I'm going with it.
00:33:16.60\00:33:18.57
And there's
been no looking back.
00:33:18.60\00:33:21.04
Praise God.
00:33:21.07\00:33:22.10
Now before our time gets over,
let's go through this pictures
00:33:22.13\00:33:24.50
and kind of walk
through that stuff
00:33:24.53\00:33:26.05
and I got some other
stuff that I want to ask you,
00:33:26.08\00:33:27.56
but let's go to
the first picture.
00:33:27.59\00:33:28.88
This is me and
that shirt I got on
00:33:28.91\00:33:30.88
and I wanted that picture
seen because the shirt says,
00:33:30.91\00:33:33.13
"Snitches are a Dying Breed."
00:33:33.16\00:33:34.50
And those shirts
are just slogans.
00:33:34.53\00:33:36.63
Those were things that we lived.
00:33:36.66\00:33:37.76
That's a mess. Yeah. Yes.
00:33:37.79\00:33:38.82
Yeah. Yeah. We live that.
00:33:38.85\00:33:39.88
That was part of the lifestyle.
00:33:39.91\00:33:40.96
Wow.
00:33:40.99\00:33:43.10
This was a tattoo shop I had.
00:33:43.13\00:33:44.78
By the way I'm
covered in tattoos
00:33:44.81\00:33:46.59
and I don't recommend
them and this shop was called
00:33:46.62\00:33:48.79
"Marked for Life" and for real.
00:33:48.82\00:33:50.88
And I don't recommend them.
00:33:50.91\00:33:53.28
By the way this was
me on my way to prison.
00:33:53.31\00:33:55.49
They had me self
surrender so we decided to ride
00:33:55.52\00:33:58.44
the motorcycles to the prison
00:33:58.47\00:33:59.93
the day I went
to turn myself in,
00:33:59.96\00:34:02.11
in June of 99 and
that didn't go over good.
00:34:02.14\00:34:06.63
This is the prison ID card
that they give you in there
00:34:06.66\00:34:09.95
and that was my prison
number in the federal prison.
00:34:09.98\00:34:15.05
And yeah, that motorcycle entry
00:34:15.08\00:34:17.10
didn't go over too
good in the prison.
00:34:17.13\00:34:19.09
This was me when I
got baptized in the prison
00:34:19.12\00:34:21.40
with Pastor Dan Hall.
00:34:21.43\00:34:23.27
Now you say it
didn't go over too good
00:34:23.37\00:34:24.48
among the fellow
inmates and among the guards.
00:34:24.51\00:34:26.58
All the staff that--
00:34:26.61\00:34:27.64
They thought you
were kind of fun.
00:34:27.67\00:34:28.70
Oh, yeah, they felt
00:34:28.73\00:34:29.77
I was trying to
intimidate the staff
00:34:29.80\00:34:31.36
by showing them
I had some power.
00:34:31.39\00:34:34.25
And this, you
know, I was blessed
00:34:34.28\00:34:35.61
to be able to participate
in AFCOE program here
00:34:35.64\00:34:39.29
just recently in Albuquerque
00:34:39.32\00:34:40.93
with the
Landmarks of Prophecy Series
00:34:40.96\00:34:42.85
with Pastor Doug Batchelor.
00:34:42.88\00:34:43.96
That's the AFCOE class.
00:34:43.99\00:34:45.63
That's the group
of us in the beginning
00:34:45.66\00:34:48.17
and we went on a little
hike there in Albuquerque
00:34:48.20\00:34:51.05
and that was a
real blessing to me
00:34:51.08\00:34:52.99
to be able to
participate in AFCOE
00:34:53.02\00:34:54.60
and if you remember
when I was here last time,
00:34:54.63\00:34:56.80
I mentioned I would
like to go to AFCOE.
00:34:56.83\00:34:58.90
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:58.93\00:34:59.96
And here's it happened.
Then I graduated the class.
00:34:59.99\00:35:04.44
I've been very excited about
it and what some of the things
00:35:04.47\00:35:08.43
that God's done with me
in my life through that.
00:35:08.46\00:35:10.92
Even being in Albuquerque, I
was also able to be appointed
00:35:10.95\00:35:16.79
a position within
the Texico Conference
00:35:16.82\00:35:19.33
as associate
director of prison ministries.
00:35:19.36\00:35:22.41
I'm glad they came back to you
00:35:22.44\00:35:23.47
because I want to just
stay here just a second.
00:35:23.50\00:35:25.26
What was the AFCOE
experience like for you?
00:35:25.29\00:35:27.35
I know something
you wanted to do.
00:35:27.38\00:35:28.81
Did it meet with
your expectation?
00:35:28.84\00:35:30.28
Did you really grow and learn?
00:35:30.31\00:35:31.56
It surpassed.
00:35:31.59\00:35:33.68
I thought
through to my studying,
00:35:33.71\00:35:36.54
being studying the
Bible and being in prison,
00:35:36.57\00:35:38.57
you know, a lot of people
00:35:38.60\00:35:39.63
don't have the
time to study out,
00:35:39.66\00:35:40.98
you know, on the
streets I can do in prison.
00:35:41.01\00:35:43.12
I thought I have a edge on them.
00:35:43.15\00:35:44.39
Yeah.
00:35:44.42\00:35:45.45
No, it's a very
challenging program.
00:35:45.48\00:35:47.26
Praise the Lord. I was shot.
00:35:47.29\00:35:48.89
I honestly was and I was worried
00:35:48.92\00:35:51.27
all the way up
here to just recently
00:35:51.30\00:35:53.21
I received my certificate
and I got four A's and one B.
00:35:53.24\00:35:56.54
All right.
00:35:56.57\00:35:57.60
So I did better
than I thought I would do
00:35:57.63\00:35:59.99
but I-- man, it
was very challenging.
00:36:00.02\00:36:03.79
It's a very strong program
and I recommend it for anybody
00:36:03.82\00:36:08.44
even just want to
make your deeper faith
00:36:08.47\00:36:11.10
with your personal
relationship with Jesus.
00:36:11.13\00:36:13.93
It was very good
program. Praise the Lord.
00:36:13.96\00:36:15.53
You know, you think about people
00:36:15.56\00:36:17.02
who are career criminals,
00:36:17.05\00:36:19.28
a lot of those guys
are pretty brand new guys.
00:36:19.31\00:36:21.06
I mean, they are not
stupid, they just pointed
00:36:21.09\00:36:24.14
their energies in
the wrong direction,
00:36:24.17\00:36:26.19
but it's not a
matter of smart or dumb.
00:36:26.22\00:36:28.27
To live out there
and to play the system
00:36:28.30\00:36:30.45
like a lot of you guys do,
00:36:30.48\00:36:31.73
you go to got to
have something upstairs.
00:36:31.76\00:36:33.71
And it showed in my lifestyle
because through the years,
00:36:33.74\00:36:37.74
you know, if you
go to work somewhere
00:36:37.77\00:36:39.19
and you work your way
up through a corporation,
00:36:39.22\00:36:41.70
you become more successful.
00:36:41.73\00:36:43.97
It did the same with
me in that lifestyle,
00:36:44.00\00:36:46.48
before my last prison
sentence I had the tattoo shop,
00:36:46.51\00:36:50.59
I had nightclub in
Detroit Motor City Social Club,
00:36:50.62\00:36:54.63
I was part owner of another
bar which I couldn't own bars
00:36:54.66\00:36:57.49
but I could buy it and
have it on someone else's name.
00:36:57.52\00:37:00.28
Also with our
gambling north star vending
00:37:00.31\00:37:03.24
gambling machines in bars.
00:37:03.27\00:37:06.63
I was doing money collecting.
00:37:06.66\00:37:08.99
You name it, I was
living that lifestyle and,
00:37:09.02\00:37:12.53
you know, I had the
money that came with it.
00:37:12.56\00:37:13.96
Right.
00:37:13.99\00:37:15.03
So you knew how to make money.
00:37:15.06\00:37:16.09
I mean, you
always had cash in hand.
00:37:16.12\00:37:17.83
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:37:17.86\00:37:18.90
Yeah, large amounts of cash.
00:37:18.93\00:37:21.78
Bless God.
00:37:21.81\00:37:22.98
But I-- Yeah.
00:37:23.01\00:37:24.23
You know, I'm not saying this
00:37:24.26\00:37:26.56
would I like to have
a lot of money today?
00:37:26.59\00:37:28.41
Everybody would, you
know, to be, you know
00:37:28.44\00:37:30.54
but my life and I don't
look at it that way anymore.
00:37:30.57\00:37:32.80
Right.
00:37:32.83\00:37:33.86
I always had that void
00:37:33.89\00:37:35.82
I could go out and
make $80,000 in a night
00:37:35.85\00:37:39.01
some nights and some
days and I did occasionally
00:37:39.04\00:37:42.00
and you would still
had come home the next day
00:37:42.03\00:37:46.17
and you are
looking for something else.
00:37:46.20\00:37:47.88
You still have that
void, you know, what I mean.
00:37:47.91\00:37:49.97
And till we fill
that void with what,
00:37:50.00\00:37:51.97
you know,
through the Holy Spirit,
00:37:52.00\00:37:53.79
we are always gonna be
hungering for something.
00:37:53.82\00:37:55.62
Now I'm still hungering
but I'm hungering for continue
00:37:55.65\00:37:58.70
with Jesus Christ
and studying His word.
00:37:58.73\00:38:00.75
Praise God. You understand?
00:38:00.78\00:38:02.20
So it's the same, same principle
00:38:02.23\00:38:04.81
as what we are
trying to fill with what?
00:38:04.84\00:38:08.10
Now talk to me a
little bit about David,
00:38:08.13\00:38:10.21
what happened with
the Texico Conference
00:38:10.24\00:38:11.56
because you are
leading it, I thought you are
00:38:11.59\00:38:13.67
but God opened the
door there, didn't He?
00:38:13.70\00:38:15.41
Yeah, God opened the door there.
00:38:15.44\00:38:16.56
The conference
chose to open them--
00:38:16.59\00:38:19.18
start a prison
ministry department
00:38:19.21\00:38:22.14
and Pastor Leroy
Green is the director of it
00:38:22.17\00:38:26.88
and he has a prior
experience with prison.
00:38:26.91\00:38:29.27
He served eight or nine years.
00:38:29.30\00:38:31.70
Had a life
sentence at one point.
00:38:31.73\00:38:33.40
He was blessed to be
able to come up out of that.
00:38:33.43\00:38:35.73
Yeah.
00:38:35.76\00:38:36.79
And so he is the
director, I'm associate director
00:38:36.82\00:38:39.87
and we just want
to equip the churches
00:38:39.90\00:38:41.87
within the Texico Conference.
00:38:41.90\00:38:43.23
If they want to be
involved in prison ministry
00:38:43.26\00:38:46.19
the dos and don'ts and
the motivation to do it.
00:38:46.22\00:38:49.78
To do it, yeah, yeah.
00:38:49.81\00:38:50.85
There is some--
there are some things
00:38:50.88\00:38:52.88
that people can get caught up in
00:38:52.91\00:38:54.75
that you don't want
to do in prison ministry
00:38:54.78\00:38:57.55
and so we are trying to
safeguard him from that too.
00:38:57.58\00:39:00.22
So you do a fair
bit of traveling,
00:39:00.25\00:39:02.27
you're still an evangelist?
00:39:02.30\00:39:03.34
Yes.
00:39:03.37\00:39:04.41
This time you are
romancing for Jesus.
00:39:04.44\00:39:05.66
Yes.
00:39:05.69\00:39:06.72
And I would love to
go back to those places
00:39:06.75\00:39:08.24
where I was around
the world and do that.
00:39:08.27\00:39:12.01
And also I was
married, I got married,
00:39:12.04\00:39:14.30
I don't know if we
showed that picture?
00:39:14.33\00:39:15.36
No, we didn't.
00:39:15.39\00:39:16.42
We need to, we need
to get to that picture.
00:39:16.45\00:39:18.60
Yeah, this is my wife and I
00:39:18.63\00:39:20.06
at the Midland
Juvenile Detention Center
00:39:20.09\00:39:22.30
in Midland County
00:39:22.33\00:39:23.37
that we go in there
weekly and talk to juveniles.
00:39:23.40\00:39:26.30
And my wife-- I met my
wife through being here at 3ABN.
00:39:26.33\00:39:30.67
She is from
Spearfish, South Dakota
00:39:30.70\00:39:33.19
and we met and
started conversing.
00:39:33.22\00:39:34.97
This is her here, that
was the day we were married
00:39:35.00\00:39:37.42
and we met and
started talking back and forth
00:39:37.45\00:39:41.85
through the
internet, then on the phone
00:39:41.88\00:39:44.28
and we started
visiting each other
00:39:44.31\00:39:46.35
and we've been
married on April 27th
00:39:46.38\00:39:48.59
that will be two years.
00:39:48.62\00:39:50.26
So I was-- my wife could
have came with me right now
00:39:50.29\00:39:53.10
but she's got some--
we are trying to help
00:39:53.13\00:39:56.38
this young boy out in Houston
00:39:56.41\00:39:58.51
and she is over
there taking care of him.
00:39:58.54\00:39:59.97
So she saw you
when you were last here?
00:40:00.00\00:40:01.47
Yep.
00:40:01.50\00:40:02.53
Saw me on 3ABN
and that's how we met.
00:40:02.56\00:40:04.40
Yeah. I'm curious.
00:40:04.43\00:40:05.66
Well, she the only
one that wrote you?
00:40:05.69\00:40:07.44
Is that the only one? No.
00:40:07.47\00:40:08.51
No. No.
00:40:08.54\00:40:09.58
Man, I got
emails. Yes, I thought--
00:40:09.61\00:40:11.40
Oh, no, I got plenty
emails from all over the world,
00:40:11.43\00:40:16.07
plenty emails.
00:40:16.10\00:40:17.13
How did you whittle
that list down, man to--
00:40:17.16\00:40:19.13
Oh, I wasn't looking for.
00:40:19.16\00:40:20.19
It wasn't like
I was just getting
00:40:20.22\00:40:21.75
the list of the women.
00:40:21.78\00:40:23.14
So you discovered a bunch
of contacts on a number of--
00:40:23.17\00:40:25.01
Yeah, for people
interested in prison ministry
00:40:25.04\00:40:27.54
and stuff like that.
00:40:27.57\00:40:28.60
Okay.
00:40:28.63\00:40:29.66
And through her and I
talking about prison ministry
00:40:29.69\00:40:32.09
she was involved
with sending lessons
00:40:32.12\00:40:34.40
to jails and stuff.
00:40:34.43\00:40:35.52
She was doing it little bit,
00:40:35.55\00:40:37.07
through her and I started
talking and she was single
00:40:37.10\00:40:40.00
and I was single and it
developed into a romance.
00:40:40.03\00:40:42.93
Praise the Lord. Praise God.
00:40:42.96\00:40:44.02
We married.
00:40:44.05\00:40:45.08
So there is a lot
of interest out there
00:40:45.11\00:40:48.00
to do work in prisons, is
that what you are finding?
00:40:48.03\00:40:50.02
Yes, it's a big mission field.
00:40:50.05\00:40:51.08
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:40:51.11\00:40:52.14
And another thing I
talk about this a lot.
00:40:52.17\00:40:55.77
600,000 people are released
out of United States prisons
00:40:55.80\00:41:00.56
each year back into the society.
00:41:00.59\00:41:02.24
Now give me the number
again? Six hundred thousand.
00:41:02.27\00:41:04.89
Wow. Get out a year.
00:41:04.92\00:41:06.94
Now they are being replaced
00:41:06.97\00:41:08.62
with still over
two million locked up
00:41:08.65\00:41:10.44
and there's just
people taking those beds.
00:41:10.47\00:41:12.45
Yes, so the door is
swinging. I mean, out and in.
00:41:12.48\00:41:14.54
Right. People are getting out.
00:41:14.57\00:41:15.68
Someone that got
locked up 10 years ago
00:41:15.71\00:41:17.33
is getting out tomorrow.
00:41:17.36\00:41:18.44
Right.
00:41:18.47\00:41:19.66
So there is
600,000 people getting out.
00:41:19.69\00:41:23.04
It's a big mission field.
00:41:23.07\00:41:24.62
Crime affects
everybody in the community
00:41:24.65\00:41:27.18
of 310 million people in this
country are affected by crime.
00:41:27.21\00:41:31.96
Even if it's just something
00:41:31.99\00:41:33.48
as simple as you
walking down the street,
00:41:33.51\00:41:35.70
you see a stranger lurking over,
00:41:35.73\00:41:37.43
you may not even be victimized
00:41:37.46\00:41:39.95
but you are victim because
you start becoming nervous
00:41:39.98\00:41:42.62
or conscious and
worried about this person
00:41:42.65\00:41:45.99
lurking in the shadows.
00:41:46.02\00:41:47.52
So it's a big problem. Yeah.
00:41:47.55\00:41:49.98
My goal is to put these
prison guards out of work.
00:41:50.01\00:41:52.39
Amen.
00:41:52.42\00:41:53.60
I would love to see
it happen and I know,
00:41:53.63\00:41:56.06
I know
personally through myself,
00:41:56.09\00:41:57.94
through the power of
prayer and studying God's word,
00:41:57.97\00:42:02.46
people's lives can be changed.
00:42:02.49\00:42:04.12
And I know there's people
out there struggling right now
00:42:04.15\00:42:07.14
with the same lifestyle.
00:42:07.17\00:42:08.44
They are struggling with drugs.
00:42:08.47\00:42:09.55
They are
struggling with these things,
00:42:09.58\00:42:10.98
these very same
things that I struggled with.
00:42:11.01\00:42:14.43
They can be set free through
studying the Bible and prayer.
00:42:14.46\00:42:20.59
If we don't study the Bible,
00:42:20.62\00:42:22.09
if you-- we are not
gonna be able to take it.
00:42:22.12\00:42:23.89
If you are not
gonna be able to know
00:42:23.92\00:42:25.54
what the Holy Spirit is saying
00:42:25.57\00:42:28.95
through the word,
00:42:28.98\00:42:30.65
you are not gonna have
an applicable in your life,
00:42:30.68\00:42:32.73
you are not gonna
be able to apply it.
00:42:32.76\00:42:33.99
Right.
00:42:34.02\00:42:35.09
You don't even
know what to ask for
00:42:35.12\00:42:36.80
or what's available to you
because you haven't studied.
00:42:36.83\00:42:39.11
Let me give you a
quick scenario of this.
00:42:39.14\00:42:41.35
This is about six
or eight months go.
00:42:41.38\00:42:44.09
I'm in a store, I'm in
Wal-Mart in where I live
00:42:44.12\00:42:48.53
and there is a bank in
there and I'm cashing a check.
00:42:48.56\00:42:51.59
And I looked through the side
00:42:51.62\00:42:52.98
and I'm the next
person in line for the teller
00:42:53.01\00:42:55.73
and I look and I
see the girl counting
00:42:55.76\00:42:57.35
a bunch of money out to this guy
00:42:57.38\00:42:58.97
and I looked little
close and its $100 bills.
00:42:59.00\00:43:03.89
So the first thing
that pops in my mind is
00:43:03.92\00:43:06.57
I started
counting too by the way
00:43:06.60\00:43:08.31
as I see her counting so many.
00:43:08.34\00:43:09.87
I counted 2,300.
00:43:09.90\00:43:12.60
The first thing
that pops in my mind,
00:43:12.63\00:43:14.24
man, I could use it
2,300 right about now.
00:43:14.27\00:43:17.02
Yeah.
00:43:17.05\00:43:18.32
Immediately this was
what come in my mind.
00:43:18.35\00:43:20.45
I'm still, you know, I
still got my old nature
00:43:20.48\00:43:23.45
and I see it and I think man,
I would like to had that money.
00:43:23.48\00:43:26.02
How could I get that money?
00:43:26.05\00:43:27.78
Immediately 2 Corinthians
10:5 comes into my mind,
00:43:27.81\00:43:33.89
"Take every captive to the
obedience of Jesus Christ."
00:43:33.92\00:43:37.84
Yes. Yes.
00:43:37.87\00:43:38.97
If I did not
know that scripture,
00:43:39.00\00:43:42.14
I may have acted
out on that thought.
00:43:42.17\00:43:44.32
Yeah. Yeah. You understand it.
00:43:44.35\00:43:46.25
You might not get
out of the parking lot
00:43:46.28\00:43:47.38
with that money.
00:43:47.41\00:43:48.55
I could have used it 2,300.
00:43:48.58\00:43:51.12
But through the
process of the Holy Spirit
00:43:51.15\00:43:53.70
that scripture come to my mind,
00:43:53.73\00:43:55.59
I immediately took the
thought, captive prayed
00:43:55.62\00:43:58.31
and asked God for that man
00:43:58.34\00:43:59.38
to get home
safely with that money.
00:43:59.41\00:44:00.65
Yes. Yeah.
00:44:00.68\00:44:01.79
So this is the
thing and I stress,
00:44:01.82\00:44:04.08
if we don't know the scriptures
how are you gonna apply it?
00:44:04.11\00:44:08.37
Right.
00:44:08.40\00:44:09.48
The Holy Spirit is
there and available for us
00:44:09.51\00:44:11.94
to have that power
00:44:11.97\00:44:13.92
but if I can't,
I can't access it,
00:44:13.95\00:44:17.33
how you are gonna use it?
00:44:17.36\00:44:18.44
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:18.47\00:44:19.56
So the Bible study it
showed as self approved,
00:44:19.59\00:44:21.14
it's also given you a weapon
to fight against those times
00:44:21.17\00:44:24.46
when your flesh is weak
because you got a history.
00:44:24.49\00:44:27.55
Ten years ago
you might have said,
00:44:27.58\00:44:28.71
you know, I'm taking it.
00:44:28.74\00:44:29.83
End of the story.
00:44:29.86\00:44:30.99
Oh, there was a time in
my life, there is no way
00:44:31.02\00:44:32.70
that dude would have
got out of that parking lot
00:44:32.73\00:44:34.58
with that money.
00:44:34.61\00:44:35.72
I mean, I just, you
know, wouldn't even been about,
00:44:35.75\00:44:38.51
you know, sir,
can I have that money?
00:44:38.54\00:44:39.87
I would have cracked his head
00:44:39.90\00:44:40.93
and took it
right off his pocket,
00:44:40.96\00:44:42.37
waved at the camera,
went out about my business.
00:44:42.40\00:44:44.37
Wow. Wow.
00:44:44.40\00:44:45.51
You know, so there was
a time when that no way
00:44:45.54\00:44:47.74
would he ever got by with that,
00:44:47.77\00:44:49.23
but that's through the
power of the Holy Spirit.
00:44:49.26\00:44:51.25
Jesus tell us, He is
gonna send the comforter.
00:44:51.28\00:44:54.64
We will be able to call
His words to remembrance.
00:44:54.67\00:44:56.72
Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:44:56.75\00:44:57.88
That means I have to
have heard it at one point
00:44:57.91\00:45:00.67
or read it to be
able to memorize.
00:45:00.70\00:45:02.92
You can't recall what's in--
we didn't get it now what kind?
00:45:02.95\00:45:05.29
So I have seen so
many people in prisons
00:45:05.32\00:45:07.64
with this mindset well,
00:45:07.67\00:45:09.33
you know, pray and ask the--
be filled with the Holy Spirit.
00:45:09.36\00:45:13.03
God can work
however He wants to work it,
00:45:13.06\00:45:16.20
but with me I have
to feed on the word.
00:45:16.23\00:45:20.00
I had to study the word so--
00:45:20.03\00:45:22.59
I wish God would
just zap it in me.
00:45:22.62\00:45:25.13
That would be so sweet
but this is not how it works.
00:45:25.16\00:45:28.88
So... I want to do this
before our time gets over
00:45:28.91\00:45:31.45
because God gave you
another little avenue
00:45:31.48\00:45:34.11
that we are gonna talk about.
00:45:34.14\00:45:35.22
In rearview we are
gonna about it in a second,
00:45:35.25\00:45:36.75
but I want to go to
David contact information.
00:45:36.78\00:45:40.44
Obviously he is a
powerful evangelist
00:45:40.47\00:45:43.59
for this ministry
that God has given him.
00:45:43.62\00:45:47.42
You may want to
start a prison ministry
00:45:47.45\00:45:49.41
in your church.
00:45:49.44\00:45:50.49
You may need to
have someone come in
00:45:50.52\00:45:52.27
to speak to young people
who can talk their language
00:45:52.30\00:45:54.73
and has the pedigree to
deal with the kinds of things
00:45:54.76\00:45:58.07
that they may throw at you
00:45:58.10\00:45:59.13
if you've not had his
experience and certainly
00:45:59.16\00:46:02.02
has the
presentation to arrest them--
00:46:02.05\00:46:05.58
I used that word
wisely but to arrest them
00:46:05.61\00:46:07.89
in their course and to
really get them to listen.
00:46:07.92\00:46:10.58
Here is the contact you
need, contact information
00:46:10.61\00:46:12.92
that you will need
for Onesimus Ministry
00:46:12.95\00:46:15.12
and to do and contact David.
00:46:15.15\00:46:17.88
Onesimus Freedom
Ministry is here to help you
00:46:22.99\00:46:25.47
find freedom and
peace through Jesus Christ.
00:46:25.50\00:46:28.27
If you would like to
know more about this ministry,
00:46:28.30\00:46:30.64
then you can write to
Onesimus Freedom Ministry,
00:46:30.67\00:46:34.21
P O Box 3103,
Midland, Texas, 79702.
00:46:34.24\00:46:39.75
That's Onesimus
Freedom Ministry,
00:46:39.78\00:46:42.44
P O Box 3103,
Midland, Texas, 79702.
00:46:42.47\00:46:48.41
Or you can visit them online
at onesimusfreedomministry.org.
00:46:48.44\00:46:53.42
Thats
onesimusfreedomministry.org.
00:46:53.45\00:47:00.44
So that's the information
that you need for David Casey
00:47:09.91\00:47:12.84
and I'm sure it will be a--
00:47:12.87\00:47:14.90
you know, give him a weekend,
00:47:14.93\00:47:15.96
give him a Friday
or Saturday or Sunday
00:47:15.99\00:47:17.85
and he can make
some dramatic changes.
00:47:17.88\00:47:20.07
Got to ask you man, your
wife shares your ministry?
00:47:20.10\00:47:22.59
Yes.
00:47:22.62\00:47:23.72
She is part of it? Yes.
00:47:23.75\00:47:24.93
Yeah. Excellent. Excellent.
00:47:24.96\00:47:26.87
Came down from
goldfish, cold fish?
00:47:26.90\00:47:29.07
No, she was in
Spearfish, South Dakota.
00:47:29.10\00:47:30.49
Spearfish, yeah. Yeah.
00:47:30.52\00:47:32.12
She wants to get
back home to South Dakota.
00:47:32.15\00:47:34.05
West Texas is little
different than South Dakota.
00:47:34.08\00:47:37.21
I would believe so.
00:47:37.24\00:47:38.81
You're thinking about
making that move or no?
00:47:38.84\00:47:41.16
My door is open and
whoever, whoever opens up
00:47:41.19\00:47:44.64
for with through Lord I'm open.
00:47:44.67\00:47:49.35
In light of what's
happen in the last three years
00:47:49.38\00:47:52.44
who knows where I
might be in three more.
00:47:52.47\00:47:53.85
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:53.88\00:47:54.91
But obviously God is
working, God is leading.
00:47:54.94\00:47:57.52
And He's got
something for you to do.
00:47:57.55\00:47:59.63
We were talking about this
00:47:59.66\00:48:00.78
because even
though you've taken AFCOE
00:48:00.81\00:48:02.09
and sometimes AFCOE guys
end up in pastoral ministry,
00:48:02.12\00:48:05.03
don't see that for you.
00:48:05.06\00:48:06.46
You know, I think God has got
00:48:06.49\00:48:07.64
a different kind
of ministry for you
00:48:07.67\00:48:09.04
because He has given
you a different experience.
00:48:09.07\00:48:11.09
And talking about experiences,
00:48:11.12\00:48:14.13
walk us through
this new radio event man,
00:48:14.16\00:48:16.06
because this is exciting stuff.
00:48:16.09\00:48:18.51
With my ministry,
Onesimus Freedom Ministry,
00:48:18.54\00:48:20.97
I chose to go down to
a radio station locally
00:48:21.00\00:48:24.40
and buy some airtime and
I would do a topical sermon
00:48:24.43\00:48:28.74
each week and deal
with issues for 30 minutes
00:48:28.77\00:48:32.54
and I went
through a year of that
00:48:32.57\00:48:35.82
and owner of the station
after about few months of doing
00:48:35.85\00:48:38.57
just asked me if
would like to fill in
00:48:38.60\00:48:40.42
sometimes as a fill in host?
00:48:40.45\00:48:42.90
And I'm like, what?
00:48:42.93\00:48:45.18
Do his morning
show, four hour show.
00:48:45.21\00:48:47.90
See now morning, you know radio.
00:48:47.93\00:48:50.73
You got morning
drive, you got evening drive,
00:48:50.76\00:48:53.71
that's triple A stuff
and I have done little radio.
00:48:53.74\00:48:56.50
That you put your
best voice on in that slot
00:48:56.53\00:48:59.83
because that's
when your viewership--
00:48:59.86\00:49:01.57
your listenership
is very, very high.
00:49:01.60\00:49:03.93
And I guess it just
kind of came natural to me.
00:49:03.96\00:49:07.01
I honestly believe
the Lord is using me,
00:49:07.04\00:49:09.78
training me
through this radio station,
00:49:09.81\00:49:12.19
I would love to
be in ministry radio,
00:49:12.22\00:49:16.19
you know, Adventist radio.
00:49:16.22\00:49:19.80
There's all
different type of formats
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but God is using
this as a training process
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and through that
process of being a fill in host,
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I developed into my own show
00:49:27.94\00:49:29.95
which I have
Monday through Friday
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5 pm to 7 pm Central Time
and I'm on that radio station
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KWEL 1070 AM and
107.1 FM in Midland, Texas.
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Wow.
00:49:41.55\00:49:42.58
I'm shocked but
this is God again.
00:49:42.61\00:49:44.65
Yeah.
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And because I'm free to
speak about my faith on my show,
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I cover
cultural, political, news
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stories whichever is going on
00:49:52.96\00:49:54.96
and I try to tie
it back into my faith.
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Every day on my program I
try to uplift Jesus Christ.
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And I've had some of
the audience notice that
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and have made comments.
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So it's a opportunity,
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it's a very rare
opportunity for me
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on a secular radio station
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which most of the
audience is probably people
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that attend church on
the first day of the week
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that I have been
able to implement
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and make some
statements that you know,
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to get people to think about
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actually what the
Bible really teach it.
00:50:27.45\00:50:28.87
Now, let's put
some texture to this
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because Midland where you are,
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where is about how
big population wise?
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Midland-Odessa right now
combined is like a metro area.
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I would say easily
almost 300,000 people
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between the two cities.
00:50:45.81\00:50:47.32
Okay, so you are talking about
a town the size of a Buffalo,
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New York or
Rochester in that 250, 350,
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you know, decent size town.
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So God puts you on a
market that's got some crowd,
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it's a decent crowd.
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Yes, it's a major talk station
major AM and FM talk station.
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And he gives you AM and FM
and he gives you evening drive.
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Yep, I guess.
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That's when people in their cars
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that's when the listenership
for that radio station
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is the highest.
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So God didn't give
you 2 am in the morning,
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He gave you
evening drive. Right.
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So that's a very, very visible--
00:51:22.43\00:51:24.65
I use that term time a day.
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Who is your leader?
Who is on before you?
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Sean Hannity.
Sean Hannity, okay.
00:51:29.28\00:51:30.61
Number two radio
show in the nation.
00:51:30.64\00:51:32.81
Yeah. Yes. You
got a strong lead in.
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God has positioned you,
00:51:34.86\00:51:36.55
He's done something very,
very, very, very marvelous
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there for you
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and you got the freedom
to talk about your faith.
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Whatever.
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I had never had
him say anything to me
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and I know the
people of the station
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have a different faith than mine
00:51:47.58\00:51:49.29
but never have they said,
00:51:49.32\00:51:50.52
well, don't say this
or don't talk about that.
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Through my broadcast
00:51:54.47\00:51:56.50
when I was doing
my ministry broadcast,
00:51:56.53\00:51:58.52
I covered every aspect,
every subject you can imagine.
00:51:58.55\00:52:02.47
Is Sunday sacred? Yeah.
00:52:02.50\00:52:04.40
I covered them all,
every controversial issue
00:52:04.43\00:52:08.01
and it's the same audience.
00:52:08.04\00:52:10.16
Wow. That's impressive.
00:52:10.19\00:52:12.02
God obviously is
doing some wonderful things
00:52:12.05\00:52:14.68
in your life and it's exciting.
00:52:14.71\00:52:17.60
This radio thing is gonna
pop. You've been on how long?
00:52:17.63\00:52:22.01
I got my own
show on December 15th,
00:52:22.04\00:52:23.98
I've been filling
in on that station
00:52:24.01\00:52:26.61
for about a year and
half and when I'm there
00:52:26.64\00:52:29.64
by the way I do the engineering,
00:52:29.67\00:52:31.96
the programming, I'm
doing the whole deal,
00:52:31.99\00:52:34.41
I'm running the
board everything.
00:52:34.44\00:52:35.96
So the training I'm
gaining there is very--
00:52:35.99\00:52:39.66
You are getting
management training.
00:52:39.69\00:52:41.40
All the way. I'll
just put that in the pot.
00:52:41.43\00:52:43.00
I can do every--
00:52:43.03\00:52:44.08
Yeah, you are getting
management training, yeah.
00:52:44.11\00:52:45.47
I can do
everything in that station.
00:52:45.50\00:52:47.30
You are getting on air
00:52:47.33\00:52:48.58
and you are getting
management training?
00:52:48.61\00:52:49.65
Yes.
00:52:49.68\00:52:50.71
So God puts one
brick in a wall at a time,
00:52:50.74\00:52:52.95
you know that and so He's
got something else for you.
00:52:52.98\00:52:56.23
We got to go
now to our newsbreak
00:52:56.26\00:52:58.98
then we will comeback try
to put little bow around this
00:52:59.01\00:53:01.10
with a closing thought.
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