Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Marie Fisher
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015009A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Oh, hello, I'm Shelley Quinn 01:08 and we welcome you to 3ABN Today. 01:11 We're so glad that you've tuned in, 01:13 whether you're watching by television or internet 01:15 or perhaps listening on the radio. 01:18 You know we want to thank you for your prayers 01:20 and your financial support because this is God's network 01:25 and it's your network as well. 01:27 You support it and we thank you so much for that. 01:29 We have, I believe a wonderful program today, 01:32 a precious lady that's with us. 01:34 But first I'd like to read a scripture to you 01:36 because this truly reminds me of her. 01:39 I'll be reading Romans 8:28-29. 01:44 And the Bible says, 01:45 "We know that all things work together 01:48 for good to those who love God, 01:51 to those who are the called according to his purpose." 01:55 Now we can't just stop there. 01:58 It's difficult if you've just lost your husband 02:00 and your children to say. 02:02 How on earth is God gonna work this together for good. 02:05 But it continues the thought. 02:09 "For whom he foreknow, he also predestined to be 02:14 conformed to the image of his Son, 02:16 that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." 02:20 God works all things together for good to confirm us 02:24 to the image of Jesus Christ. 02:26 So even when you're going through suffering and sorrow, 02:30 God can help you identify 02:32 with the man of sorrows, Jesus Christ. 02:35 He can help you identify 02:36 with the suffering of Jesus Christ 02:38 and He can make you more Christ like. 02:41 And I have to say, 02:42 that's what happened to our guest today. 02:45 And let me without further ado introduce her. 02:48 This is Marie Fisher and Marie comes to us from J. Okalahoma. 02:52 Marie, I'm so glad that you made it here. 02:55 I'm happy to be here. 02:57 Yes. We met at a women's ministry. 03:00 I was speaking at a women's ministry, 03:01 you were the director for that program. 03:04 And just fell in love with each other. 03:07 We just have a lot of things in common, haven't we? 03:10 Yes, we do. 03:11 And it was just a precious thing to get to know 03:13 you and your momma Polly. 03:15 And we want to say hello to Polly 03:17 who is watching right now by television 03:19 and wish you were here as well. 03:21 But, Marie, before we-- we're going to have a song, 03:25 but tell me just a little bit about a minute's worth. 03:29 What your ministry is all about? 03:32 My ministry is all about sharing Jesus 03:35 and the story that he has made out of my life taking a mess 03:38 and making a message. 03:40 It's about-- my ministry is about healing. 03:43 I do a healing workshop on abuse. 03:46 I've experienced all 14 types of abuse 03:50 and I want to help people be set free from the guilt 03:55 that they carry and the shame that they carry. 03:58 Amen. Amen. 03:59 Well, we can't wait to hear your testimony 04:02 and I know you're going to be blessed by this 04:05 and God will give you some information 04:08 that you can put to use in a practical way. 04:11 But first we have the Ong Family with us 04:14 and I know you've seen the two sisters 04:16 when they were little ones 04:18 and they were on the "Kids Time." 04:21 But we're going to have them, 04:22 they are going to be playing the piano and the violin. 04:25 And first this is called Praise Medley. 09:04 Mercy, that is a lot of talent in one family. 09:06 That was the Ong family and they were playing on piano 09:10 and violin called "Praise Medley." 09:13 We thank them so much. 09:15 Well, if you're just joining us a little late, 09:17 our special guest today 09:18 is Marie Fisher from J. Oklahoma. 09:21 And once again, Marie, 09:22 we're so glad that you are here. 09:25 It's a privileged to be here. 09:26 Yes. 09:27 And, you know, we invited you 09:29 because when I heard your testimony 09:32 and what God has done in your life 09:34 and how you're now out ministering for Him, 09:38 I just felt like the whole world 09:39 needed to hear that. 09:40 So tell us a little bit about growing up? 09:45 Were you reared in a Christian family? 09:49 I'm a third generation Adventist. 09:51 Okay. 09:52 And my mom was an Adventist, my father was not. 09:56 But I was raised a Seventh-day Adventist all my life. 10:01 However I didn't know God. 10:04 I knew obedient behavior. I knew the dos and don'ts. 10:08 I had the head knowledge, 10:10 but I did not have the heart knowledge. 10:11 Yes. 10:12 And it took tragedy for me to, to find the Lord. 10:15 Well, when growing up you never really made 10:19 that personal commitment to God 10:23 I don't think I knew that He loved me. 10:26 I loved Him and I made a commitment 10:30 to be the best that I could be. 10:33 Uh-huh, yes. 10:34 But I don't think that I thought 10:38 that He could ever love someone like me. 10:41 And you know I can identify with it so much 10:43 and that's what we said we've got a lot in common 10:45 that I grew up believing, I had a love affair with Jesus, 10:49 but I thought the Father was a taskmaster 10:53 who was just watching me waiting to zap me 10:55 if I did something wrong. 10:56 And it actually-- I think when you grew up 10:59 with rules without relationship, 11:02 then it results in a rebellion quite often. 11:05 And that's what happened to you, isn't it? 11:07 Is that you kind of get to that point 11:09 where you feel like I can't do right things all the time 11:14 and you end up making wrong choices. 11:16 It's-- that's so true, 11:18 but for me to I came from an abusive childhood. 11:23 So I really felt like God 11:25 could never accept somebody like me, you know. 11:28 So what was your abuse? 11:31 I had all 14 types of abuse. 11:34 They all fall under five categories. 11:36 And that is sexual, physical, 11:39 emotional, spiritual and verbal. 11:43 And so those five categories 11:44 I had since I was four years old. 11:47 Oh, honey. 11:49 But it made me who I am today. 11:50 And Jesus was able to take my mess, 11:53 make a message and I can be His story. 11:55 Amen. 11:56 So when you are growing up suffering from all of that, 12:03 you just had such a low opinion of yourself. 12:06 You felt like God couldn't love you. 12:09 How did that affect the direction of your life? 12:13 It was like a roller coaster. 12:15 I constantly tried to be the best 12:21 that I could be for him, for my husband, for my mother, 12:24 I've always felt like I've failed everybody. 12:27 I was never going to be a good wife. 12:29 I was never gonna be a good mother. 12:30 I was never gonna be a good daughter you know. 12:33 I could never measure up. 12:36 So it affect everything in my life. 12:38 You know, I hate behind behavioral obedience 12:41 and I had behind perfection and mask and comedy 12:45 and all the things that so many victims do. 12:50 But I didn't recognize it, because I came-- 12:53 I was brought up in a religious environment that was, 12:57 I hate to say legalistic, 12:59 but I felt like no one really knew me. 13:04 I felt like a stranger in my own church. 13:06 I felt like people didn't really even understand 13:08 what I was going through, even God. 13:11 Did they know what you were going through? 13:13 Did your family know about your abuse 13:15 or at what point did this become exposed? 13:17 It became exposed when I was 10, parts of it. 13:23 The parts that I would let become exposed. 13:27 There was incest in our home 13:29 and so that's how it was exposed. 13:32 And but there was so much more in-depth 13:35 that I wasn't ready to let my parents know, so. 13:41 So you are making every effort you can, 13:46 not understanding that God's plan is that, 13:49 He's the one that's going to work in you 13:52 to willing to do His good pleasure. 13:54 You're doing all you can to please God, 13:56 to please everyone that's around you 13:59 because you're trying to be accepted, 14:01 you're fearful, worried about abandonment and rejection. 14:06 What kind of choices did you make? 14:08 Did you marry the right person or let talk about this. 14:12 No. 14:13 Absolutely-- You can't make 14:16 a good choice without God, without knowing Him. 14:19 You know, so obviously I made a lot of horrible mistakes 14:22 and horrible choices. 14:24 I-- led me to do multiple marriages. 14:27 And you know... 14:30 I needed God and I would always go to God 14:32 in my closet alone 14:35 because I couldn't trust anybody, you know. 14:37 I even didn't trust God with all this. 14:39 You know you had mentioned you know that you thought, 14:41 you didn't know the Father. 14:42 Well, I always thought that the Father was like holding me 14:46 over the fire pit and I was the marshmallow 14:48 and it was his hand that was holding the stick 14:50 and saying, you better do this, you better do that. 14:52 And, so of course I saw an image of God 14:56 that wasn't love, so I really didn't know 14:58 how to let someone love me. 15:01 So I chose people that I could fix, 15:04 instead of letting anyone into me. 15:06 I figured it was easier for them to hurt me 15:10 than for them to hurt someone else 15:12 because I was used to it. 15:13 So I would choose the comfort zone 15:15 that I was accustomed to and that was abuse. 15:19 That's and that happen so frequently with abuse-- 15:22 You know this is-- 15:24 And this is often why you see 15:25 when someone who is grown up say, 15:28 with an alcoholic father 15:30 who will then marry an alcoholic 15:32 because they are in their comfort zone. 15:35 This is the type of behavior 15:36 that almost seems to become normal. 15:38 But if you can't love God, 15:43 I believe the whole gospel is founded on love 15:46 and if you can't accept God's love, 15:49 if you don't think-- If you feel like 15:51 you have to be good enough for God to love you. 15:53 If you, you know, love this reciprocal. 15:57 I mean we love God because He first loved us. 16:01 Amen. 16:02 And if we don't understand that once again 16:06 it is something that we keep God at arm's length 16:10 because we can't really draw close to Him 16:13 and we don't accept His love. 16:14 So you then are making some bad choices, 16:19 multiple marriages, repeating the cycle of abuse. 16:25 Marie, what was your wake up call? 16:27 I had a tragedy, horrible auto accident in November 11, 1999. 16:35 It marked the change of my life. 16:37 It was a horrible, horrible accident 16:39 where my son who had just turned 6 years old, 16:42 his name was Dillon, was ejected out of the vehicle. 16:48 We were going 72 miles an hour and we, 16:51 I over corrected 16:53 and the vehicle spun like a top. 16:56 There's actually some pictures they can show. 16:59 That's Dillon. 17:00 He's very gorgeous. 17:01 And he had just turned six, he was in first grade. 17:05 And we have this auto accident 17:07 and they said that I don't remember anything, 17:09 we were unconscious, 17:11 but we had top hold like a top 17:13 and we had rolled four times, 17:15 one more time we were about 20 feet away 17:17 from where Dillon was ejected out of a broken side window. 17:21 And one more time 17:22 we would have landed on top of him. 17:24 But most of the impact of to his skull. 17:28 He had multiple skull fractures. 17:30 He wasn't breathing when they found him. 17:31 He was on life support and coma 17:36 and they were talking to my husband, his father... 17:40 about getting his organs 17:42 because they didn't expect him to live. 17:44 I was in another hospital at the time, 17:46 that's him as well 17:47 but I was in another hospital at the time. 17:51 And we were several miles apart, 17:53 like 40 miles apart. 17:55 So I was in an intensive care in another hospital 17:58 because I broke my neck. 18:00 And my wrists and my knees 18:01 and they expected me to be a quad. 18:05 Quadriplegic? 18:08 I would be paralyzed from the neck down. 18:10 And when the neurosurgeon came to talk to me, 18:13 he said, you need to have surgery and I said, 18:15 well, what are my chances and he said, 18:16 you have a 50-50 chance to live and that's it. 18:21 You know there was no, no chance to walk 18:23 or anything that my spinal cord was already pinched. 18:26 So he said when you get in there, 18:28 when we go to fix everything 18:30 it could snap and you could die, 18:32 but we can fuse it together. 18:35 If it doesn't snap it's like a worm and I didn't know that. 18:37 They said it's like a worm, when you break it, 18:39 it's just, it's done. 18:41 And I said how many people have you killed? 18:42 And he said, none. 18:43 And I said okay, then let's do this. 18:46 I'm going with God because my husband could never, 18:49 hadn't seen me yet. 18:50 It was four days after the accident, 18:52 but he stayed with our son 18:54 because he was so severely injured. 18:57 That was the changing point in my life. 18:59 I came home and he was still-- 19:03 My son was still in the hospital. 19:04 I didn't know anything. 19:05 They wouldn't tell me how bad he was, but I knew. 19:08 You know, I knew in my heart, 19:09 I knew and I started crying out to the Lord 19:12 and I started listening to music and I couldn't walk, 19:15 I crawled to the bathroom 19:16 and I crawled to take care of myself, 19:18 but I wasn't a quad. 19:20 And I eventually walked and everything obviously 19:23 and so God had different plans for us than what medical. 19:26 They said we were miracles. 19:30 They used my son as a miracle child 19:31 at Phoenix Children's Hospital for years 19:34 because they said it was like, 19:35 he had a helmet on inside of his skull, 19:37 he should have been completely dead, 19:41 number one, and never even have a hope. 19:43 But they said, it was bruised inside of his brain 19:45 rather than traumatic brain injury. 19:49 He had bruising and as the bruising shrunk 19:52 he became better and better. 19:53 He has some residual side effects as we all do. 19:56 But to look at him and to see him, 19:58 you would think he would be a perfectly normal child. 20:02 And the Lord just had done miracles in our lives. 20:05 He was blind in one eye and after seven weeks 20:08 he asked me to pray over and I said no, 20:10 I'm not gonna ask for more, we're grateful. 20:13 We're so grateful to be where we're at today. 20:16 And the Lord said, pray over his eye. 20:20 And I said, okay. 20:22 I put my hand over and I said, 20:24 Lord, I don't know why I'm doing this. 20:27 I have no idea why You're asking me to pray for more. 20:29 My son is alive, he's here, he's walking, 20:33 he was on a walker at the time, you know. 20:35 He had to relearn to walk, to talk, to eat, 20:37 he was in diapers, he relearned everything. 20:40 I said, but I have to be obedient 20:42 and if You're asking me to do something more 20:44 than I'm, I'm gonna do it. 20:47 And if not, if I'm hearing You wrong I'm so sorry. 20:49 When I put my hand on him and I prayed and I said, 20:52 Lord, you're the great physician, 20:54 You can do all things. 20:56 I believe that with all my heart. 20:57 I'm not asking You to do that, I'm just being obedient 21:02 'cause I feel like the spirit has asked me to do it. 21:04 I'm asking You just to take care of him 21:07 and I'm praising You for where we're today. 21:10 And I took him the next day to eye doctor, 21:14 what are they? 21:15 Ophthalmologist, yes, thank you. 21:17 And I took him there and he said, 21:18 you know, if I didn't have this child's history 21:21 and his chart in front me 21:22 and I didn't know the pediatrician 21:24 that saying to me was reputable, 21:25 there's nothing wrong with his eye. 21:28 He says, actually it's like a new born baby's eye. 21:32 I know. 21:33 I praise God and I looked up to my son eyes. 21:35 And I said, I sort of crying I said, Dillon, 21:39 Jesus hasn't done with you yet. 21:40 And he says, I know that. 21:43 Now I kid you not, his eye was peripheral vision. 21:46 He went like this all the time to read, 21:48 from the moment he said, 21:49 I know that his eyes went oop and natural shape, 21:53 he never did it again. 21:55 The doctor and I just, we were like amazed. 21:58 He never used peripheral vision, 22:00 he never had to go like this, his eye took natural shape 22:02 and it used to be a smaller shape, 22:05 an almond shape and he has big brown round eyes. 22:07 So, and he's perfect today. 22:10 Glory to God. 22:11 Aren't you glad that you're obedient, 22:13 that your God is impressing you, 22:15 the spirit is impressing you to lay your hand 22:18 on your son's eye and pray and God had something 22:21 so faith building to let you see how much He loved you. 22:27 I mean you're both walking miracles. 22:29 Amen. 22:30 No doubt. 22:31 But tell us, you said this was the changing point, 22:35 this was a turning point for you. 22:38 Tell us about going through your recovery process. 22:43 How did God? 22:45 How did you begin to understand how much God really loved you? 22:50 Well, I believe that my accident, 22:53 the injuries to me were for me. 22:55 They were for me to grow in Christ, 22:57 for me to see how much He loved me. 22:59 The injuries for my son were to help other people 23:03 find the love of Christ. 23:05 My father and his father for instance, 23:07 you know, and so they were drawn 23:09 to the Lord through Dillon's incidence. 23:12 But my accident I laid alone and I spoke to the Lord 23:16 and I cried and I listened to music and one evening I, 23:20 after several days of being home I remember 23:22 the Lord said, Marie, you've asked me 23:26 since you were a child, 23:27 why did these things happen to you? 23:30 Why did I allow them to happen to you? 23:32 And He says, I'm gonna show you and I'm gonna show you 23:36 right where I was, during the whole process. 23:39 And He took me with my own children 23:42 and He said, remember when you laid Christopher 23:45 on the gurney when he was gonna have surgery on his ears 23:48 and he was just 18 months old 23:49 and you thought, I wish I could take his place. 23:52 I wish he didn't have to suffer. 23:54 He goes, that's where I was. 23:56 I was right next to you and I felt the same way. 23:58 I wish I could take your place. 24:00 I wish you didn't have to suffer. 24:02 But you knew the outcome for your son 24:04 would bring glory to him 24:06 and he would be better off going through this. 24:08 And I knew the outcome with you 24:10 going through this will bring glory to Me 24:12 and you would help other people 24:14 who have suffered the same things. 24:16 And I want you to know 24:17 where I was throughout your childhood 24:19 and throughout your marriages 24:20 and throughout your cries for me. 24:22 I was right beside you. 24:24 And if you had died and this was so awesome for me. 24:27 If you had died in that accident, 24:31 I would have come for you. 24:33 I would have saved you. 24:35 Even though you lived in behavioral obedience, 24:37 even though you didn't know how much I loved you. 24:41 He says, but I want you to have a joyful life. 24:44 I want you to be joyful in Christ. 24:46 I want you to know that I love you. 24:48 I don't want you to be afraid to be a Christian 24:51 who loves and is free. 24:53 And I want to take away all these guilt 24:55 and I want to take away all the shame 24:57 and I want you to know how special you're to Me 25:00 and that was my changing point. 25:02 It was like, there was a song called River God. 25:05 And it talks about God being the river 25:07 and sometimes the river is raging 25:09 and sometimes the river is smooth 25:12 and that's the Holy Spirit over our lives, 25:14 but the prayer is that you would pick me up 25:17 and notice that I'm a little smoother in your hand. 25:20 I started singing that everyday. 25:22 And I started reading scripture and I could not, 25:25 I could not get enough of God, 25:28 it was Him and me everyday for months 25:30 and months and months, you know, 25:31 because I was healing, my son was healing 25:33 and we just spent time with God and literally 25:37 I just told somebody recently I miss that, 25:40 I miss that moments with God, 25:42 every single moment I've just devouring Him, 25:46 you know, and feeling so precious to Him. 25:49 And, you know, it's a shame that life comes back to life. 25:54 You know, we have to go back 25:55 into the hustle and bustle of reality 25:57 when we're not healing from an accident, 26:00 that's that tragedy. 26:01 We have to go back into life and I went back to work 26:04 and my son went back to school and life took over 26:06 and I would literally cry and say, Lord, I miss you. 26:10 I miss You. God I didn't even know. 26:15 I know exactly what, you know, 26:16 when I was running the ministry at home. 26:19 I could spin, sometimes three, four hours in prayer 26:22 and all day in the word and of course 26:25 you're answering phone calls and things 26:27 but when I came to 3ABN, 26:30 then suddenly I've got a position here that, 26:33 you know, there's a lot of things 26:34 and you're up at 4.30 in the morning 26:38 and you come to work by 7.00 26:40 and you don't get home till 7.00, 26:43 so you don't have that same amount of time 26:45 and I do know what you mean. 26:46 But how precious that God ministered to you 26:49 and that you opened your heart and let Him pour His love 26:53 into your heart and you began to truly understand. 26:57 But you know it's not just about your healing 27:00 because as I said you and Dillon 27:03 are both walking miracles. 27:05 But God had more in store for Marie 27:08 than just the healing process. 27:11 You know, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 27:14 that God is the God of all comfort 27:17 and that He comforts us so that we can comfort others 27:22 with the same comfort He Has given us. 27:24 And God has given you a mandate, 27:27 God gas given you a ministry and I want you to talk about 27:34 that ministry just a little lets... 27:36 Well, it came about from that time with God. 27:39 It came about with that studying. 27:42 I would write down everything that I would read. 27:45 I would get up and I would read the Bible 27:47 and I would write down everything 27:48 that the Holy Spirit was showing me 27:50 that the Bible was teaching me. 27:52 You know, and I would set it aside and then 27:55 when my niece was living with us 27:58 at the time and when my niece would come home I'd say, 28:00 look what God showed me today. 28:02 And I would share what God showed me today 28:04 and day after day I would just write and write 28:06 write and write and she said Aunt Marie, 28:09 she says you're not just studying. 28:12 You're writing a book about your story. 28:13 This is a book about your life. 28:15 And I said oh, no I got it out of the Bible 28:18 and it's everything that I studied 28:20 and she says yeah, 28:21 but look it it's your story and I said no, it's God story. 28:25 And so I wrote this book "My Journey with Jesus, 28:28 from Victim to Vessel." 28:30 And it's a manuscript and then shortly thereafter 28:33 I was asked to share my story and I took the manuscript 28:37 and you know, 28:38 I've given out probably 500 copies of it for people. 28:40 And then God said it's not 28:42 about the money it's about the message. 28:44 Share your message and share 28:46 what I've have done in your life 28:48 and let me be glorified. 28:50 And so I started speaking at retreats and luncheons 28:55 and different things like that. 28:56 And pretty soon I had this burden 28:58 for the people like me who had been abused 29:03 and who needed that to be set free 29:05 and who needed the biblical tools to be set free 29:09 and to be loved unconditionally the way 29:11 that only God can do. 29:13 You know, and I had said to my brother 29:15 who is Seventh-day Adventist pastor 29:17 and I've said, I wish there was something out there 29:20 for women like me that wouldn't have to wait 29:22 until they're 42 years old to be set free. 29:24 I wish there was something out there 29:25 and he says well, sis it's gonna take somebody 29:28 that's been through it. 29:29 It's gonna take somebody that has a burden for it. 29:31 It's gonna take somebody that knows Jesus, 29:33 so when are you gonna do it? 29:34 And I said oh, no the Lord hasn't laid it on my heart. 29:37 I'm not gonna do that. 29:39 About I'd say nine months late 2 o'clock in the morning 29:43 that was our time that God set for us to talk 29:45 because I'm very busy like you and you know, 29:49 I wrap myself into everything a 100% 29:52 and so at 2 o'clock in the morning I still know 29:54 that I'm God time and he woke me up. 29:58 And lots of time he would 30:00 and I would get a message and I would get up 30:01 and I would write everything down. 30:03 This particular time I said, it was like, 30:06 Marie I want you to do 30:07 something with that abuse seminar 30:09 and I said are you kidding? 30:11 And he said no, do I kid with you 30:13 and he says sometimes 'cause he does. 30:15 God has a sense of humor. 30:16 Yes, and you know I just want to hit the pause button 30:19 for just a second 'cause I want to explain something. 30:22 You're doing what I often do 30:23 and sometimes people misunderstand 30:26 when she's saying that she's hearing God speak, 30:28 this is we're talking about 1 King 19:12 30:32 where Elijah heard this still small voice of the Lord. 30:38 Anytime that we hear 30:40 the Bible speaks of the audible voice of God, 30:44 it is majestic like David like roar, 30:48 like roaring waters-- 30:51 Or it's in Revelation like a multitude of waters 30:56 but when or I think at Mount Sinai 31:00 when they heard though the verbal you know, 31:02 the audible voice of God. 31:04 They do need to knock because it was so majestic 31:07 but the still small voice of the Lord 31:10 that we're referring to, 31:11 and so many of you have experienced it 31:13 is when the Holy Spirit 31:15 impresses a thought upon your mind 31:18 that you know it's not yours, 31:20 you know it's a thought from God 31:24 and that's what you're talking about. 31:25 Yeah. It's not that you hear. 31:26 An audible voice but there is this conversation 31:29 and so many people, you know, that God impressed 31:33 that thought on your mind from time to time. 31:36 And the truth is if you will be still 31:40 as Isaiah 46 or excuse me Psalm 46:10 31:45 "Be still, and know that I am God." 31:48 And when you are still your-- God gives you ears to hear 31:53 what the Holy Spirit has just said. 31:55 Absolutely and I think sometimes we don't listen 31:58 and that's the problem. 32:00 We pray and we ask and we praise 32:02 and we tell God everything but do we stop and listen? 32:05 That is the exchange between our savior and us 32:10 to have him be part of our life. 32:13 That's the real relationship 32:14 you know, is to listen as well as to speak. 32:17 I mean, what good would it be if we were talking 32:20 and I did all the talking and didn't listen. 32:22 But we have to remember that the Holy Spirit 32:25 where there's nothing to be fearful of the Holy Spirit 32:26 will never say anything that doesn't line up 32:29 in agreement with the word of God. 32:32 So if you're hearing something you are not sure 32:35 is this is a message from God or this is my own conscience, 32:38 if it all lines up with the Bible, it's from God. 32:41 If it doesn't line up with the Bible, 32:43 it's something else. 32:44 And this little still small voice 32:45 that said I want you to do this. 32:47 Was of God because I had-- I said okay, Lord, 32:52 and he gave me the ABC's of healing, 32:54 abuse and wounds to call it. 32:56 He gave me all the scriptures, everything in my mind 32:59 and I said, yes Lord I think I can do that. 33:02 Normally I would get up and write everything. 33:04 This particular night I just said 33:06 and I felt like I talked to him for 10 minutes. 33:08 It was like two hours 33:09 but I didn't even write a thing down. 33:12 The next morning I got up and I said, 33:14 Lord, was that you that do I have this in my head still 33:19 because if it was you I will know this, 33:21 and I got up and I went to the computer 33:23 and I started typing everything down. 33:25 My brother who is the minister called me and this is so-- 33:30 it's so like God you know it's so affirm-- 33:33 you know affirming 33:35 that He is in charge of your life 33:37 and if you will follow Him, He will lift you up 33:40 to do mighty things through Him you know. 33:43 And so I was typing and he called in, 33:45 my brother called in and he says sis, 33:47 did you do anything with, and this was nine months later. 33:50 He says did you do anything with that abuse seminar thing 33:53 that you were talking about and I said it wasn't for me 33:56 that God didn't laid upon my heart 33:58 and I don't think that 33:59 we should move forward without God. 34:01 And we shouldn't stay behind God either 34:02 but we should walk side by side with God. 34:05 And I said so I told you it wasn't about, you know, 34:08 it wasn't for me He didn't lay it on my heart 34:10 and he goes yeah, he's going to, 34:12 and I said you know it's so weird Mitch, 34:15 I said I'm right now typing the last paragraph 34:20 of a healing abuse seminar 34:22 that God gave me last night and he goes good 34:25 because you're coming to my church. 34:27 We have people who need it and I know 34:28 that God would lay it upon your heart. 34:30 Praise the Lord. 34:31 Two weeks later I went and gave my first healing seminar. 34:35 Let me ask you in the healing process, 34:38 we have about two more minutes that 34:40 and I would like to talk to you about this 34:42 because there are so many people 34:44 that are watching right now, 34:46 who have suffered some kind of abuse if it's not sexual, 34:50 it could be physical but there's even that verbal, 34:54 mental, emotional abuse and even spiritual abuse. 34:58 How important is it 35:00 that you learn to forgive the one 35:04 who abused you and how did God help you in that? 35:08 Well, it's extremely important and God helped me 35:13 because the Bible is full of the knowledge 35:15 that we must forgive. 35:17 He says how can I go before the father, 35:19 I will not go before the father 35:21 and ask forgiveness for your sins, 35:23 if you will not forgive others 35:24 who have transgressed against you. 35:26 So that is one of the steps of the healing process. 35:29 A is admit-- admit 35:31 that it has happened to you. 35:32 Admit how you feel about it. 35:34 Admit that either and it works the same 35:37 for victim or perpetrator. 35:39 So God loves us all-- 35:42 Amen. 35:43 God loves us all and He wants us all to be set free 35:45 and He wants us all to be forgiven 35:47 and He wants us all to be saved. 35:49 And the second part is believe, believe that you must forgive. 35:53 Yes. 35:55 Believe that it is essential that you forgive. 35:59 Without forgiveness there's no healing 36:01 and so many times we hold on to our anger 36:05 and our bitterness 36:06 and our resentment towards what's happened to us. 36:10 And God-- God has showed me 36:12 in so many ways you are a human being. 36:17 Who do you think you are, 36:18 that you shouldn't have suffered? 36:20 Who do you think you are 36:22 that I went to the cross for you 36:24 and that you're gonna go through life with nothing? 36:26 If you follow me, you are gonna suffer, 36:29 no matter what it is, we are gonna suffer 36:32 when we follow Christ in some way 36:35 but we are gonna have joys and peace 36:38 that we can't even imagine when we let Him into our life. 36:41 We're gonna have a change of life 36:43 and a change of character. 36:44 We can't even imagine the great things 36:46 that are gonna happen in our life 36:47 because Jesus came in and Jesus cleansed us 36:50 and Jesus changed our lives. 36:52 And took our mess and made it His story, His message. 36:57 It is a beautiful thing and I count it like Paul, 37:00 I count it a privilege to have suffered for the Christ. 37:04 Now I never question God why these things happened. 37:07 I thank Him and I praise Him 37:09 that I may able to be used to help someone. 37:11 But how does someone who is watching today. 37:15 How did they go through this heal 37:17 or this forgiving process 'cause it is a process. 37:20 It's a process, 37:22 it's not something that is a quick fix you know. 37:25 We especially as victims have mask 37:28 and we have safety zones and we have walls 37:30 that we built up. 37:31 It is a biblical principle there 37:34 it's that's why it's a workshop. 37:36 They have sheets through the A process, 37:38 through the B process, through the C process. 37:41 And then we have what I call bonfire to freedom 37:43 and we write letters and we burn those at the end. 37:45 But it's a process that you learn 37:48 that's through scripture through Jesus' own words 37:51 that shows you how to be set free that you can use 37:54 over and over and over again 37:56 when we want to resort back into our safety zones 37:59 or our nets that we hold, you know, we fall back into. 38:03 I believe that most people think 38:06 that they're gonna quickly be healed. 38:08 It's not like that. 38:10 It's a process of walking 38:12 with God just like sanctification. 38:14 It's a process of walking with God and learning that hey, 38:18 I don't want to go back that way. 38:19 I want to walk with God. 38:21 And requires me to forgive 38:24 and God requires me to do these things. 38:26 But you can acknowledge, okay, 38:29 I need to forgive, God requires this. 38:32 Can you share just a few practical steps 38:35 of what how you really get in, 38:38 get to that point of forgiving? 38:44 For me it was recognizing that I needed forgiveness. 38:48 Okay. 38:49 For me I'd always blamed everyone else for my tragedy, 38:54 for my bad choices from my mistakes that I made. 38:57 Rather than to look at my own self 38:59 and most victims will do that, they will blame everyone else. 39:02 And let's clarify here. 39:03 When you're talking about bad choices, 39:05 you are talking not about the abuse 39:07 that happened to you its-- 39:10 The choices you made afterward. 39:11 Absolutely. 39:13 So because we don't want anyone out there 39:15 who has been victimized to feel like you're guilty 39:20 and there's a lot of shame that comes with this. 39:22 Yes. 39:23 You know, people just if you been a victim of abuse, 39:25 there's a lot of shame. 39:27 So how does someone whose husband has beaten her 39:30 or how does someone who has been 39:33 molested by a grandfather. 39:36 How do they get to that point? 39:39 Do you have a practical step 39:41 you recognize you needed forgiveness. 39:43 You have to admit it first, 39:45 okay, this is the practical step. 39:47 You have to admit that it has even happened 39:49 'cause most of the time we hide it. 39:51 Whether you're a victim or perpetrator you hide it, 39:54 so you have to admit to God how angry you feel, 39:58 how upsetting it is, how bitter you are. 40:00 You have to admit to God 40:01 that all these things actually happened 40:04 and that you have these emotions. 40:05 And as a Christian it's very difficult 40:07 to have these angry emotions towards God 40:09 and feel like they're right. 40:11 Yeah. 40:12 And so you're still half in and half out 40:17 because you don't want to admit that these feelings 40:21 that you have are not, they're not justified. 40:24 Right. 40:25 You can't justify them and be a Christian. 40:27 You can't. 40:28 To kind of know that but you-- in your mind you are just-- 40:31 you're trying to justify. 40:32 You're trying to justify and you're trying to say, 40:34 well, it's because of that happening in my life 40:35 that I responded this way 40:37 or it's because of that happening in my life 40:39 that I made this bad choice and it's because of that person 40:41 who did this and that the other that my life is so messed up. 40:45 Well, yes, you were a victim and it is never your fault 40:50 and you never ask for it and you probably cried out 40:53 a million times over to stop and know don't do this. 40:59 And my son has a problem with that. 41:02 He cannot accept Christ 41:04 because he says what kind of father, 41:07 what kind of God would let these things happen to you? 41:12 And, you know, victims hold on to that 41:14 and say what kind of God are you 41:16 that you would let this happen to me. 41:19 He's a merciful God. He's a fair God. 41:21 He's a loving God and He says we have choices 41:24 and this is what I said to my son. 41:26 We all have choices that person that chose to molest me, 41:31 he had a choice and if God would have stepped in 41:34 and said no you can't do that. 41:36 Who would have been the first person to come 41:38 and say oh, that's not a fair God, 41:40 He didn't let him make that choice. 41:42 That's intercessory prayer is so important. 41:44 Absolutely. 41:45 If someone would have been praying for the person 41:47 that abused me at four years old 41:50 may be his mind would have been changed 41:52 and that wouldn't have happened. 41:54 And you know often this is hard, 41:56 a difficult thing to say but there's a young man 41:59 who's a Christian singer, his name is Christian Burdol. 42:03 And he said that he would do the same thing 42:05 with the Lord saying you know, 42:07 why did you let these things happen? 42:09 And what the Lord told Christian 42:11 was that there are called rules of engagement and-- 42:16 and his mother was not protecting him. 42:19 His mother was putting-- I mean 42:21 I don't think she knew exactly what was going on 42:23 but she kept putting him in a bad situation 42:26 as child with leaving him with various boyfriends 42:30 who were taking advantage of him. 42:32 So that-- you know, 42:33 there's all these things, there's so many things 42:35 and God doesn't make us, we're not robots. 42:40 God makes us once who can have free will 42:45 and respond and if he's-- all of the sin 42:48 won't be coming to an end until Jesus returns 42:52 and then He promises that sin will rise no more. 42:55 So if someone will admit and believe 42:57 that they have to admit it happened believe 43:01 that they have to forgive and then pray-- 43:05 And they're forgiven. 43:07 And that they're forgiven, that's true. 43:09 Because you can't just forgive and tell you forgive yourself 43:11 because victims and perpetrators 43:13 especially are gonna carry a whole lot of guilt. 43:16 And when they find Christ, 43:17 they don't know how to let it go. 43:18 Amen. 43:19 So they have to also forgive themselves. 43:22 You have to forgive yourself 43:24 and find that you are priceless to God. 43:26 Amen. 43:27 Before you can ever forgive someone else 43:29 and once you have been forgiven that is the step that is next. 43:33 You can forgive, you can then forgive someone else. 43:36 So God is now using you to put on these workshops 43:41 and we want to give people the opportunity 43:45 if he want to get in touch with Marie, 43:48 Marie is available to come speak at your church 43:50 or to put on a workshop 43:52 and we just got to see about getting your book 43:56 beyond manuscript and published, 43:58 Marie, that something that we need-- 43:59 If it's the Lords will. 44:00 If it's the Lords will, yes. 44:02 So if you would like to get in touch with Marie Fisher 44:05 and perhaps invite her to a women's event 44:07 or didn't have to be for women only to your church. 44:10 Here's how you can get in touch with her. 44:14 If you would like to invite Marie to your church this week 44:17 or to hold a workshop then you can write 44:20 to Women's Ministry Abuse Seminary Workshop, 44:23 P.O. Box 941 Jay, Oklahoma 74346. 44:28 That's Women's Ministry Abuse Seminary Workshop, 44:31 P.O. Box 941 Jay, Oklahoma 74346. 44:37 You can call 480-322-4548. 44:41 That's 480-322-4548. 44:45 Or you can email her 44:47 at RioVerdeFisher@msn.com. 44:55 Contact her today. 45:03 I'm sure you would enjoy the message 45:06 that God Has given Marie's to share, 45:08 many messages not just about abuse. 45:11 But, you know, we just have to make sure 45:13 that we say this before the program ends 45:15 is that you are in a wonderful marriage now for many years. 45:21 God gave you a wonderful man. 45:22 Tell us about Mark? 45:24 Mark is my gift, my treasure that God gave me 45:29 to say not only did he want me to know 45:32 how much he loved me. 45:33 He wanted me to experience love 45:35 like I've never experienced human love as well. 45:38 And so when we got married, I did the prayer and I prayed, 45:43 I said Lord help me to always remember 45:45 that You Gave me this treasure. 45:48 Help me to always value him the way that You value me. 45:51 And help me to always focus on the good things. 45:54 And I have to say that we have had a wonderful marriage 45:59 and he is a wonderful Christian man 46:01 and I praise God for him everyday 46:04 and he as well praise God for me, words and all. 46:07 You know, he loves me unconditionally. 46:10 And I have been very blessed, very blessed. 46:13 The Lord can take a life 46:14 and just turn it upside down and make it beautiful. 46:18 And as you always say God took your mess 46:21 and made it into a message and we're just so thankful 46:24 that you are here to share with us. 46:26 Oh, we're gonna come back in just a moment 46:28 before closing thought from Marie, 46:31 but right now what we like to do 46:33 is we're gonna go to a second song 46:35 and this is the Ong Family on the piano and the violin 46:39 and they're going to be playing "How Great Thou Art." |
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