Participants: C. A. Murray (Host), Joshua Jones, Moses & Anna Tyler
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY014101A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hi and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:09 My name is C.A Murray, and allow me once again 01:11 to thank you for sharing 01:13 just a little of your no doubt busy day with us. 01:16 To thank you once again for your love, your prayers, 01:18 your support of this ministry 01:20 for what you do to help us do what we are called to do 01:23 and that's to shine the love of Christ 01:26 throughout the world, 01:27 got a really, really good program today. 01:29 I'm excited, yay, verily. 01:32 First of all because of the work, 01:34 a mission work be it at home or abroad always excites me. 01:39 And then we got three really good looking young people. 01:42 Don't know quite how old they are 01:43 but they are younger than me 01:44 so that qualifies they're young people. 01:47 But they're doing a great work that we want to talk about, 01:50 a nation within a nation, a work within a work 01:53 that you may not be aware of even here in the United States. 01:57 We've got Moses Tyler. Moses, good to have you here. 01:59 Thank you. 02:00 Lovely wife, Anna, how you doing? 02:02 Good. 02:03 And Joshua Jones down on the end there, 02:06 really great story and really great work 02:10 that they're doing. 02:11 Their project is called the Issachar Calling 02:15 which to me that's an exciting name anyhow, 02:17 I got to ask you where did that come from? 02:19 We need to get into that. 02:21 Then we're gonna find a little bit 02:22 about your backgrounds and then get into this ministry 02:25 to the Navajo people here in the United States. 02:28 Really, really great story, so you want to draw close 02:31 because air this program shall have ended, 02:34 we gonna ask you for a little help and assistance. 02:35 We want to tell you what's going on 02:37 so that you can get the feel 02:39 of this really, really great work 02:41 that these young people are doing. 02:43 I want to start with you, Moses before we go to our music. 02:47 I asked you this before 02:48 and it's kind of a complex question. 02:51 Where are you from? 02:54 And a list that kind of long, because your parents 02:56 were in the service, were they not? 02:58 My dad was in the core, yes. 03:00 And then after that he got discharged 03:03 and he was doing construction 03:06 as a construction superintendent 03:08 he was transferred every which way, 03:11 but I was born in San Diego, ocean side really, California 03:15 and I like to say that I'm just an American. 03:21 Yeah, that kind of pasting with the nice broad brush 03:24 and so it gets that out of the way. 03:25 Give me just a little bit of the flavor of growing up? 03:28 Adventist home? Christian home? 03:30 I didn't know the Adventist message 03:32 until I was about 9, 10 years old, 03:36 almost 10 years old 03:38 and so I experienced a lot of domestic violence 03:42 and lot of, you know, that weekend partying 03:45 and stuff with my parents and so that all changed 03:50 when someone gave my dad Bible studies 03:53 and next thing you know, we were different people. 03:58 You know, we didn't eat the same, 03:59 we didn't watch the same things. 04:01 A lot of things changed that me and my brothers 04:03 all were kind of, kind of-- we were complaining like, 04:06 hey, what's going on? 04:08 But we did notice tremendous changes in our own house. 04:11 And that was, that by itself was enough to like the change. 04:16 Eventually we all realize this is good. 04:20 Was it to Christianity or Adventism in particular? 04:23 It was to Adventism in particular. 04:26 And this was in San Bernardino, California. 04:29 So you moved up the road a little bit. 04:31 Yeah, yes. 04:34 So going to church as far as your reformative years 04:37 or something that you were accustom to doing. 04:39 Yeah, pretty much. 04:41 So we-- I grew up going to 04:44 you could say Adventist church, 04:45 I was-- eventually 04:46 we moved to Tucson, Arizona. 04:48 And we did a lot of in gathering and pathfinders 04:52 and we were all involved in that 04:53 and so it was, I got to experience all of that. 04:56 Yeah. Yeah. 04:57 I got to ask you one more question 04:59 before I'll leave you and we go to Anna, 05:00 then we'd go to music before we go to Joshua 05:02 because we've got a long time to spend with him. 05:06 But in your teen age did you go through 05:09 any wilderness time as a teenager 05:12 or you pretty much-- where you pretty much 05:13 a straight Adventist all the way through? 05:16 Well, I would say that if-- I did venture probably 05:23 from about 15 years on for till I was about 25, 05:29 I really just-- I went out there, 05:35 I had my Moses experience, you know as I like to think. 05:39 So, little time into wilderness, yeah. 05:41 That's right. 05:42 Now, you were in a service also, were you not? 05:45 Yes, I was, I was in the United States navy 05:48 and I did electronics in the navy, 05:50 I was in for six years and in the navy 05:53 is where I started to realize that I needed to come back 05:56 toward my ending. 06:00 And so little by little God was working on me 06:04 before you know what I realized, 06:05 I had to get out of the navy 06:07 to do what I felt I needed to do. 06:09 Yeah, yeah, but you told me that 06:11 something kind of happened to you on a ship? 06:14 You found some material there in the ship's library? 06:18 Yeah, we were on deployment, 06:21 you know, this is after the 9/11 had happened 06:25 and I had a really good friend of mine F.C. II Olive 06:29 and he was a Baptist and he was a very pious man 06:35 and we were really good friends, 06:37 we started having studies together 06:39 and he started to get me back into religious things, 06:46 and I started realizing I needed to change my life 06:49 and then it just so happens, I found a copy 06:52 of the Desire of Ages and Steps to Christ. 06:55 Wow. 06:56 And there was this other little pamphlet 06:57 that basically had a breakdown of Adventist prophecy it was, 07:01 I forget who it was and it, 07:03 you know, it talked about Daniel and Revelation 07:06 and I remember showing my friend, 07:07 my batches friends this in. 07:09 I said, hey, you know, 07:11 and then I started showing him thing, 07:12 I found another pamphlet on the Sabbath 07:13 and I was like, wow, yeah, this is really good. 07:16 So I studied it with him, and I got him to admit yeah, 07:19 you know what, the Sabbath, yeah, it is the truth. 07:22 Saturday, the seventh day is the true Sabbath 07:26 and when I realized that I thought, 07:30 you know, I can't do this anymore, 07:33 I need to separate myself 07:36 because in the navy I was surrounded by 07:38 all kinds of influences that you can imagine, 07:41 going from port to port 07:42 and just the things you see even it's--. 07:47 Yeah. 07:48 So the Lord just happened to have these books on board ship. 07:51 You are in the middle of what ocean? 07:53 I think I was in the Indian Ocean at the time. 07:54 Yeah. 07:56 In off the coast of Djibouti they call it. 07:58 Yeah, yeah. 07:59 In Africa, when this happened but--. 08:02 And praise God. 08:03 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 08:05 Anna, you actually do get to talk. 08:08 Firstly where are you from? 08:10 Well, I'm kind of like him, I'm from a lot of places 08:14 but Arizona isn't the main state I grew up 08:16 and I was born in California, L.A 08:20 but between southern Arizona is where I grew up. 08:27 Yeah. Adventist home growing up? 08:28 Christian home? 08:29 Yeah, pretty much, yeah, yeah. 08:31 My grandparents converted in Mexico 08:34 and so I'm kind of a third generation 08:36 I guess, yeah. 08:38 Were you practicing when you guys met? 08:41 Were you pretty solid in your-- 08:43 Well, we were kids, we were like 16 years old, 08:47 we met at Prescott camp meeting, 08:50 Adventist camp meeting so we were kids 08:53 and we got married pretty young, 08:57 then we kind of left together, 09:01 I mean when he was in the military 09:04 but we stayed together. 09:05 Praise God, yeah. 09:06 So when you were in the navy on ship, 09:08 you were married? 09:09 Yes, I was. 09:13 We've been married this December, 09:15 actually in a few days will be 15 years. 09:17 15 years. 09:19 Well, you did get married, yeah. 09:23 Praise the Lord. 09:25 Yeah. 09:28 Moses admits not being a strong Adventist. 09:31 Did his weakness affect you at all 09:35 or you were you able to sort of hold on 09:36 to your faith during those times? 09:38 No, I was weak as well, 09:41 we kind of ventured out together 09:43 and I did feel like calling to come back 09:47 when he was in the navy. 09:49 Being a military wife is really hard. 09:52 It's very challenging and we have a little baby girl 09:57 and I just couldn't imagine her growing up 10:00 in the type of life we were living, 10:03 we were having lots of house parties 10:05 and you know that stuff. 10:06 And I just kept thinking like how can I not give her 10:11 the gift that I was given which is knowing Jesus, 10:16 and going to cradle roll something about cradle roll. 10:18 Yeah. 10:20 I have to take her to the cradle roll class, you know. 10:23 And because I grew up in that environment 10:26 going to Sabbath school, and so once Sabbath I just, 10:32 I was like I'm going to go to church today. 10:35 And I got her ready 10:36 and Moses was tired he said what? 10:39 You are going to church? 10:43 And so I got the baby girl dressed, 10:45 and I got dressed and I went and it was scary 10:48 because I hadn't gone back for a while, 10:50 and I didn't know anybody but everybody was so friendly, 10:54 it was in Norfolk, Virginia. 10:55 Praise the Lord. 10:56 And eventually he started coming with us 10:58 and we just kind of started coming back 11:01 and so we came back, praise the Lord, yeah. 11:04 So, Moses, was your return 11:06 kind of a dramatic, traumatic thing 11:08 or you kind of just eased your way back into, into the faith? 11:12 You know, I want to say that I eased my way in a sense, 11:15 but in a way I didn't 'cause I was still 11:17 very well holding on to the world, 11:19 I was still drinking, I was still smoking, 11:22 doing partying stuff and you know I go to church, 11:24 I started paying my tithe but I don't know. 11:28 It just doesn't feel all right. Yeah. 11:29 And, you know, one thing that I was gonna mention 11:32 that I forgot was, 11:34 when I got back from my second deployment, 11:37 I forget how old my daughter was, 11:38 I think she must have been around three, 11:41 four at the time, 11:42 and she didn't recognized me, and she was afraid of me. 11:46 And to me that was heart breaking 11:48 because here is my daughter. 11:49 Yes. 11:51 And she was hiding from me, 11:52 she was hiding behind her mother 11:54 and I saw that and I thought, 11:55 wow, this is too much, 11:58 you know I just I can't do this. 12:00 Yeah. 12:01 So it was a combination of things, 12:04 it wasn't until I really got out of the navy 12:07 that I went to some evangelistic series in Tucson 12:11 and I was then really moved 12:15 to make definite changes in my life to say, 12:19 okay, hitherto and no more, 12:21 I cannot live this double life anymore. 12:24 Yeah. 12:25 I put it all away I had, I went home that last night 12:29 and I had the wine collection, 12:32 that I had collected from France, Italy, Spain 12:35 all over the world literally South America. 12:38 I don't know how many thousands of dollars that was, 12:40 I went home and I started throwing them in the trash 12:43 and I remember this one bottle 12:45 that I had bought in Paris, 12:47 I thought, oh, man I spent so much money on this, 12:50 how can I just throw this away. 12:52 I grabbed it, I find the cork screw 12:54 and I opened it and I pour a glass 12:56 and I smell it and I taste it 12:58 and I thought I was going to enjoy it 13:00 but I guess God must have given me a hatred 13:04 for because as soon as I put it in my mouth, 13:07 it was so disgusting and I spit it out in the sink. 13:11 Yeah. 13:12 I was like, wow, this is disgusting how? 13:16 So and I looked at the bottle 13:17 and I'm like, I spent that much money on this, 13:21 so I just poured it down the sink 13:22 and I threw it even more fervor 13:24 in the big dumpster that we had outside 13:27 and I did the same with 13:28 a bunch of other stuff that I had it so. 13:30 Yeah, Anna, were you aware of this changes 13:32 that he was going through these moves? 13:34 Yes, yeah, we were going through it together 13:37 and I went to the same evangelistic meeting 13:40 and I have been going to church 13:42 but it wasn't like a 100%, it was like maybe 80%. 13:46 We're still holding on to some things 13:47 and that night we just kind of vowed 13:52 to just leave all that behind. 13:55 We got re-baptized as well 13:58 and it's been a totally different life 14:01 since then just we've been experiencing 14:03 so much happiness and joy ever since then. 14:05 Praise God. 14:07 I got to ask you before we go to our music. 14:10 Okay, you're saying, 14:11 I can't do this navy thing anymore, 14:13 and God is obviously changing your taste 14:15 and your habits. 14:17 Are you getting the direction 14:19 as to what you're gonna do with your life 14:21 'cause you are shutting down one area, 14:24 something else got to open up. 14:25 Is God giving you any kind of direction 14:27 or you're just saying, okay, I'm just leaving this behind 14:29 whatever God gives me that's what I'm gonna do. 14:32 Well, I had thought that God wanted me to finish school, 14:35 and at the same time 14:38 we started a construction business with my father 14:41 and so that's where I thought God was taking us, 14:43 so that's what we did. 14:45 And so I started, I went back to school 14:48 full time and then part time, 14:50 and then eventually I wasn't going to school 14:52 because the construction was consuming my time. 14:54 Yeah. 14:55 And then eventually the market turned 14:58 and I went back to school full time 15:00 and I finished and then my wife 15:04 was very involved with the business as well, 15:06 but I didn't-- we eventually ended up 15:08 walking away from that 15:09 because of how bad things got in Arizona. 15:15 You guys have crisscrossed the country a little bit 15:17 'cause I'm here in San Diego, Norfolk, Phoenix, 15:19 you're going back and forth. 15:24 So you're leaving construction, 15:27 is this new ministry beginning to open up to you or, 15:33 you know, let's do this 15:34 because once I get started I don't want to stop, 15:35 let's go to our music now 15:38 'cause they are gonna take us some place 15:39 and we all want to go to it together. 15:42 But our music is coming from Gylchris Sprauve 15:44 and a great friend of this ministry now, 15:46 living in the Virgin Islands, beautiful voice, beautiful guy 15:49 and he's gonna be singing a beautiful song. 16:02 Some people 16:06 Want to caught to match perceptions 16:12 To lead them 16:16 In their own direction 16:20 But can you follow 16:25 When you don't understand 16:30 When the path you're on 16:32 Is not the cause you bless 16:39 You can't see 16:43 A king without a kingdom 16:48 And in your minds 16:52 I should read your lines of pain 16:56 But through my eyes I see another plan 17:01 When that selfish hearts can't understand 17:05 The king wants to save the lost 17:10 He trades His crown for a cross 17:15 Will you worship Him now? 17:20 Will you worship Him now? 17:24 Hanging here between the earth and sky 17:28 On the cross willing to die for you 17:34 Will You Worship Me Now? 17:38 Will You Worship Me Now? 17:42 I'm before you without my crown I'm your Savior, 17:49 My head's hung down 17:51 And the question I place on your heart 17:55 Will You Worship Me Now? 18:14 Things go wrong 18:18 In your life without a reason 18:23 And naturally 18:27 You want someone to explain 18:32 So then you come to me 18:36 crying Lord, why this pain 18:41 Did I not confess 18:44 My sins in Jesus' name? 18:50 There is one thing 18:54 You've just got to realize 18:58 I am still God full of mercy 19:05 Strong and wise 19:07 So would you trust in my master plan? 19:12 In which I live and die like mortal man 19:17 Your faith and my strength will grow 19:21 And then I can really know 19:26 If you'll worship Me now? 19:31 Will you worship Him now? 19:35 Hanging here between the earth and sky 19:39 On the cross willing to die for you 19:44 Will you worship Me now? 19:48 Will you worship Me now? 19:52 I'm before you without my crown 19:56 I'm your Savior, My head's hung down 20:01 And the question I place on your heart 20:05 Will you worship Me 20:07 When a faith does not equal faith 20:11 You should know I will always be there 20:15 To strengthen and comfort 20:18 And care for you 20:24 In the darkness of all that you face 20:28 I will let you my mercy and grace 20:35 The question we miss 20:38 Will you worship Me now? 20:42 Will you worship Me now? 20:46 I'm before you without My crown I'm your Savior, 20:53 My head's hung down 20:56 And the question I place on your heart 21:03 Will you worship Me now? 21:15 The question I place on your heart 21:34 Will you worship Me now? 21:46 Amen, Gylchris Sprauve, good buddy, good friend, 21:49 "Will you worship Me now." 21:51 Well done. 21:52 My guests, Moses Tyler, Anna Tyler, Joshua Jones, 21:55 a good looking all and when we left, 21:59 you were kind of in transition 22:01 because you were putting the old life behind 22:04 and sort of waiting on a Lord to show you 22:06 what was coming up. 22:08 I want to move you along so we can get to that 22:11 good looking young man on the end there, 22:13 so that he didn't become a hood ornament, 22:15 we want him to talk 22:17 but you are saying goodbye to your old life. 22:20 Obviously, God is moving you some place else. 22:24 Tell me what the Issachar Calling, 22:27 where that name came from? 22:31 Well, I guess I'm the one who came up with it, 22:35 and I saw it as, 22:39 you know that not many people realize 22:41 or remember that it's one of the 12 tribes. 22:44 And I started looking into it, 22:48 it all started with a sermon that I heard by Dwight Nelson, 22:52 and it was a while back ago 22:56 but I started looking more into this tribe 23:00 'cause I have never heard of it, 23:02 and I started realizing things about this tribe 23:04 that I was fascinated with 23:07 and especially in Second Chronicles 12:32. 23:09 Yeah. 23:10 Where we are told that they were, 23:11 you know, the children that knew of the times and seasons 23:15 and what Israel ought to do. 23:16 What to do, yes. 23:17 And so I especially liked 23:21 Jacob's prophecy about this tribe 23:25 where he refers to them as a donkey 23:28 that lies down to so that he can be two burdens yeah. 23:33 So I look at this tribe and I think wow, 23:35 they are servants, they are ready 23:42 and willing to serve 23:45 and they're actively doing it and they served 23:49 when they carried our Jesus into Jerusalem. 23:52 They served in many other instances when they carried, 23:55 you know, Jesus away from Bethlehem to Egypt, 23:58 I mean there is so many other things so I thought, 24:00 you know, we need more, 24:02 we need to call more people to be servants. 24:06 And, you know, donkeys don't talk, 24:07 except in the one instance with Balaam. 24:09 One time. 24:10 That was the supernatural event 24:12 and so we should be more like this 24:16 or there should be less complaining, less talking, 24:19 more action, more active service. 24:21 Yes. 24:22 And, you know, being delighted to do this service to-- 24:27 Hey, let me carry that burden for you. 24:30 You know, when we start having this thinking upon others 24:33 rather than on ourselves that I really think that 24:38 we can start to do more for Gods work. 24:39 Yeah. 24:41 So that's kind of why I said the Issachar Calling 24:43 because I feel like we need to call other people to do this. 24:46 Do the work. 24:47 Tell me about the day, 24:48 you went looking-- you went driving, 24:51 you heard about some ruins 24:52 and you found upon a particular ruin, 24:55 actually the ruin of an Adventist church. 24:57 Tell me about that thing? 24:59 Okay, so we are on our way to Colorado, 25:05 and we went to Colorado and eventually on our way back, 25:09 we drove through Chinle, Arizona, 25:13 it's on the Navajo Reservation 25:14 although at the time I didn't know it. 25:16 I didn't even know that Navajo Reservation existed. 25:20 I particularly wanted to go to see Canyon De Chelly 25:24 where there are native American ruins there. 25:28 And so my wife and I we detoured a little bit 25:31 and we went there and as we were leaving, 25:33 it was a beautiful, beautiful hike 25:36 and as we were coming leaving to go back towards Tucson, 25:41 we stumbled upon a sign that was in-- 25:45 you know, you could barely even read it, 25:47 it was so bad but it said 25:49 Chinle Seventh-day Adventist church 25:51 and it had an arrow, so we were like wow, 25:54 and so we pulled in and we drove, 25:58 we went to go find this church 26:00 'cause I didn't realize who, who's out here. 26:03 Yeah. 26:05 So we find this church 26:07 and we-- at first we couldn't 26:08 even believe the sign for the church 26:11 and school was knocked over. 26:15 And then there was a ginormous, 26:18 I think it was a Cottonwood tree that had fallen over 26:20 and into one of the buildings and all along the property, 26:24 there was cottonwood trees that had fallen on the fence 26:27 and there was just so much damage. 26:29 The roof were lifted up, and so I saw this 26:32 and immediately my heart was crying out like why Lord? 26:37 Why does Your church have to look like this? 26:41 You know in such disrepair. 26:42 Was anybody worshiping in that church at a time? 26:44 Was sort of, kind of just abandoned 26:46 Well, it looked abandoned 26:47 but there was still a small congregation there, 26:51 but they happened to be somewhere else 26:53 and so eventually a lady came that one of the teachers 27:00 that live there and she gave us a tour. 27:02 And we saw even more of the disrepair, 27:06 you know this apparently she told us a storm came, 27:09 knocked over a bunch of trees and it cause a lot of damage. 27:12 So she was pleading with us to please help if we could 27:16 and so we went back to Tucson, 27:18 we showed a bunch of pictures 27:20 that we had taken to several churches in the Tucson area 27:23 and we were able to raise about $5,000 27:26 that we took back to Chinle, about how long was it? 27:30 I think a week later. 27:32 So you got that $5,000 pretty fast. 27:34 Yeah. Yeah, praise God. 27:35 And so then we use that fund 27:37 or those funds to build a new sign out of block wall 27:40 that was later stuck hood 27:41 and then we put a new sign that was lit, 27:44 and you know we did all the electrical 27:46 and then we did painting on the building 27:49 and we repaired a lot of stuff 27:51 and replaced windows that were broken, 27:53 get some roof repaired 27:54 and collected, we took a dump truck with us 27:57 and we collected a bunch of trash 27:59 and hauled it to the dump. 28:01 But so we had a lot of people that came with us 28:04 from Tucson to help with that 28:06 and that was our first experience. 28:07 I've got to say this, the Lord 28:08 kind of put the bit in your mouth pretty fast, 28:11 I mean you got locked into this real quick. 28:13 Yeah. 28:15 It was that-- was that 28:16 the sort of genesis of your wanting 28:18 to work among the Navajo people. 28:21 That was a-- yeah, 28:22 it wasn't necessarily the Navajo as much as it was, 28:26 we wanted to do something more, 28:28 'cause we were even trying to go overseas 28:30 but we had a lot of debt at the time 28:32 and we were counseled that, 28:33 you know, take care of your debt first. 28:34 All right. 28:36 So we-- that's what we did. 28:37 Yeah, so you were a mission in search of something to do, 28:42 I mean you had this thing in your heart, 28:45 you just needed a place to function. 28:48 And God has given you a place to function. 28:50 Now, I want to-- 28:51 because I want to get to Joshua real quick, 28:53 but we were talking, 28:56 the Navajo nation is pretty large, is it not? 28:59 Yes. Give me some number? 29:01 Well, the most recent facts that I saw was 29:05 from a native-- newspaper 29:10 and it says that as of the most recent senses 29:12 that there are currently 332, 000 Navajos, 29:17 Navajo native Americans 29:20 and out of those I believe it's 44,000 29:24 live off the reservations 29:25 so the great majority live on the reservation. 29:27 On reservation. 29:28 And that reservation covers about what size? 29:32 Well, the size of the Navajo Reservation 29:35 is compared to almost being about the same in size 29:41 with the state of West Virginia. 29:43 So we are talking about fairly good slice of land. 29:46 Yes. 29:47 Within the United States. 29:49 Yes. That-- 29:51 How is Christianity accepted, rejected? 29:56 How is it doing in the Navajo nation? 29:59 Well, I can tell you my experience, 30:01 and perhaps Josh can give you his. 30:03 Come into. 30:04 So what I have seen is, as Adventists 30:08 we don't have many churches, we have plans 30:12 but what we need are workers. 30:14 Yeah. 30:15 What we need are dedicated people 30:17 with the missionary spirit that are willing to commit. 30:21 Christianity is all over the res, 30:23 but unfortunately the Christianity that exists 30:27 has given Christ a bad name. 30:31 Because of the many things 30:33 that have been done in Christ name 30:36 and it's unfortunate so we go in there 30:39 as just another Christian. 30:41 oh, you are just one of them. 30:43 So we have to, we have to use 30:46 different methods of approaching 30:48 of reaching of winning their hearts. 30:51 Yes. Right. 30:53 And so that's where we have the advantage 30:55 because we have been given knowledge 30:58 on how to reach people, 31:00 you know, in a more successful manner. 31:04 The health message as a massage, 31:06 is that something that 31:07 the Navajo would find appealing? 31:09 Yes, very much so because 31:11 the Navajo are already very much into, 31:16 you know, natural methods, herbs 31:20 and even hydrotherapy believe it or not 31:22 and so lot of this stuff they see it and they go. 31:25 Wow, yeah, you know, 31:26 they want, they except stuff like that. 31:28 Grateful, very good very good. 31:30 Joshua man, you actually get to talk. 31:33 Thank you. Thank you. 31:34 I thought I was just decoration. 31:37 We don't want you to be a hood ornament 31:38 for the whole program. 31:40 Tell me how you met up these guys? 31:42 Well, actually, actually met up with him in 2010 once my mom, 31:48 where we attended a seminar in Pinon hills 31:51 or at Pinon Hills church in Farmington, New Mexico. 31:54 It was quite a while back, I met him, 31:58 I really thought they are strange people to be honest. 32:02 When I first came into an Adventist church 32:04 I thought everybody was strange, 32:06 specially well, while I talked with some guys 32:11 from Amazing Facts 32:13 and they are talking to me about my music 32:15 and back then I was just, I wanted to keep my music 32:20 and I wanted to keep my diet, 32:22 I was eating like a, like a heathen, like-- 32:27 Now, I got to walk you through some stuff 32:29 because your mom is here. 32:30 We met a really, really wonderful person. 32:33 Did you had any Christian influences 32:34 in your home at all growing up? 32:37 Well, I did actually but it was more of-- 32:42 Hmm, how should I say this, it was more... 32:46 We did go to church, it was the door church. 32:49 We went to church on Sunday, so it was a Sunday church 32:53 and back then I wasn't really serious about church, 32:55 I just-- we went to church like oh, 32:57 we are going to church 32:58 and then once we come back I'd be like, 33:00 oh, man, I got that over with, 33:01 now I can go ski or now I can go do whatever. 33:03 Right. 33:04 So it's kind of a nominal thing, 33:05 it wasn't something that was really in your heart. 33:07 You have brothers and sisters? 33:08 Yes, I do, I have three brothers and one sister. 33:11 Now where are you in that line? 33:12 Well, I'm actually second to the oldest. 33:17 When Adventism began to work its way in to your life? 33:22 Was it something you fought against? 33:24 You said it really kind of, kind of strange really, 33:28 because it's gonna separate you 33:29 from lot of the stuff that you're accustomed. 33:30 Exactly. 33:32 So, it's something that you fought against? 33:33 Well, it was actually something I did fight against 33:37 because back then I just really wanted 33:39 to stick with my music, you know. 33:41 I really, I don't know what it was, 33:44 I say just had a hold on me through music 33:47 and I didn't want to let go of that. 33:49 I didn't want to let go of just the food I was eating 33:53 because I heard the health message, 33:56 so it was pretty hard. 33:58 Yeah, now we-- you said the food you're eating, 34:00 a lot of pork I suspect? 34:02 Pork, beef, ham. 34:07 Wow, a whole lot, bloonies. 34:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 34:11 so Adventism got his hand in your refrigerator? 34:13 Yeah. Right away. 34:14 Yep, yep, exactly. 34:16 And you've got some decisions to make. 34:19 As far as your, your brothers and sisters your siblings, 34:22 were they struggling as you were 34:24 or was it little easier for them? 34:27 They are struggling because, 34:29 you know, they're still younger. 34:30 Yeah. 34:31 So they don't, they won't really accept it as I would 34:35 because I have matured more and I understand, 34:38 I read about it and they just go on, 34:41 you know, they are little 34:42 so they just go about their day, 34:44 they play, they think yeah, 34:46 you know, you know, I'm talking about yeah. 34:48 Very sure. 34:49 Now was your mom buying this new Adventist thing 34:54 was she accepting at herself? 34:55 Yes, she was, she was. 34:58 She was actually the one who prompted it. 35:00 She wanted us to change. 35:02 She is like you know what, we need to change our diet. 35:04 We need to change what we eat. 35:06 She even saw through everybody at church 35:09 like to be honest when I came to the church 35:12 I was wondering what sort of food they are eating 35:15 because it tastes so plain, it was so plain and I was, 35:18 I didn't really like it but now I love it. 35:22 I cannot stand anything else. 35:24 Yeah. 35:25 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 35:26 What? 35:27 And I use this terminology, Josh. 35:29 What did it for you? 35:32 Because you said we are doing the Sunday thing 35:34 kind of just, we are just doing it 35:35 but obliviously something happened 35:37 to change your relationship with Jesus. 35:40 What did that for you? 35:42 What helped me change in my relationship with Jesus? 35:46 Well, honestly it was through the health message. 35:49 I found out that, 35:51 you know as sister White most of her, 35:55 most of her teachings were from the early-- 35:59 from the 18th century-- not the 18th century 36:02 but the 1800s and early 1900s back then 36:06 they didn't really push health reform and I saw that as, 36:09 it was striking to me like, 36:10 wow, this woman knew about 36:13 all of this before everybody else. 36:16 How could she know? 36:18 How could she preach this to everybody? 36:20 When everybody thinks it's well for them. 36:23 And so I since she was a prophet 36:29 then that that, that drew me closer. 36:33 Praise the Lord. 36:34 How did you guys, I use the term hooked up, 36:37 what brought you all together? 36:40 Well, Corey, and Joshua's mom 36:43 and the family started to come into church 36:45 and we just kind of became their friends 36:48 and we just, we would talk to them about things, 36:54 you know, when they would ask us like, 36:56 how come you guys do that or what's that? 36:57 You know, they had a lot of questions 36:59 and specially Josh have a lot of questions 37:01 and we just kind of formed a friendship with them 37:04 and we started studying prophesy 37:10 and the Bible and just got to know them 37:16 and our kids became friends with the kids 37:20 and actually Josh's siblings comes to the school 37:23 and we just, I guess formed friendships at church. 37:30 Now, I've got to ask you, 37:31 try to link some things together. 37:32 That original church that you began working with, 37:34 that you saw in that deliberated state, 37:36 is that now your church 37:37 or we talking about another church? 37:39 No, no we are in Waterflow in New Mexico now 37:42 which is in the Four Corners 37:44 and that's the one that Doug Batchelor founded 37:47 with both Wright Family and other families out there 37:51 the Adventist back in like '83. 37:54 So that the church that you are now a part of is 37:57 "Doug Batchelor church." 37:59 Yeah, the one, of course the one that is. 38:00 At Waterflow. 38:01 Tell me a little a bit about how your ministry functions. 38:04 What are you trying to do? 38:06 What are you seeking to do? 38:08 And how are you seeking to do it? 38:11 Well, we have a burden to reach those 38:16 that have been hurt out there, and that are hurting 38:21 and they just don't have the light that we have been given. 38:24 We just want to share what we know. 38:27 And like we were talking before, 38:29 there is a lot of health issues out there, 38:31 diabetes is prevalent 38:33 and all kinds of issues out there 38:37 and so we are burdened to start a-- 38:43 first of all an elementary mission school out there 38:46 which we got that going, 38:48 but along with that we want to also do community outreach, 38:54 have a small type of lifestyle center 38:57 where we can teach what we know 39:00 and you know, he is gonna, 39:02 Moses is gonna talk about that later 39:04 but we kind of just want to focus on helping 39:09 the community that we are at 39:11 and which is what am I offering to reservation 39:14 and so that our goal is to reach those around us 39:19 in the reservation. 39:22 Joshua, you kind of got into a health bug 39:24 also, have you not? 39:25 Yes. 39:26 Yeah, it's kind of something you wanted to do. 39:27 Talk me about what you want to do 39:29 as far as far as practicing what you now know. 39:32 Well, and coming this semester, 39:36 this coming semester I'm going to be attending 39:38 Wildwood College of Health Evangelism, 39:41 so I will be learning different sort of, 39:43 different healing methods 39:45 and I will be helping Anna and Moses. 39:51 Yeah, I'll be helping Anna and Moses, yeah. 39:54 Praise the Lord. 39:55 So you got to go where we are talking to-- 39:57 Georgia. To Georgia. Yeah. 39:58 And then and you will get training 40:00 and then come on back. 40:01 Yes, I'm coming back. 40:02 But obliviously health is something you want to do, 40:04 to help your own people. 40:05 It is definitely something I want to do, 40:07 because so many people they just don't know-- 40:11 They don't know what they are eating is harmful to them. 40:14 You know, there the hospitals in Shiprock, New Mexico 40:19 on the reservation, 40:20 they do promote health but they promote-- 40:24 They promote healthy eating yet they don't talk about GMOs, 40:30 they don't talk about BHTs they don't talk about MSGs 40:35 what's harmful to the body. 40:37 And I think that it's that we help out, 40:44 that we tell them what-- 40:47 We tell them what they are eating. 40:51 Is diet one of the main causes to the health problems 40:58 that the Navajo faces? 41:00 Is it a lot of lifestyle stuff that's really a problem? 41:04 Yes, yes, actually four, four out of-- 41:08 This was conducted by the Tuba City Hospital. 41:12 Four out of ten Navajo's on the Navajo Reservation, 41:15 they have diabetes or they have pre diabetes. 41:17 Wow. 41:18 Yeah, four out of ten, 41:20 so that's about 120,000 native Americans, 41:23 Navajos in general who have diabetes or pre diabetes 41:27 and I want to help through because you know, 41:29 diabetes can be prevented through diet. 41:34 You just have to give them a plant based diet 41:38 and then they will-- 41:39 The diabetes it will, it will flee. 41:42 You know, I was talking with Danny Shelton the other day 41:43 and he's saying, you know, 41:44 if you gonna take away my $10 bill, 41:46 you got to give me a 20. 41:47 You know, I don't have any problem with you 41:49 taking my 10 if you give me 20, 41:51 but if you take away my 10 and give me nothing, 41:53 so what I'm saying is that when you, 41:57 when you take away what they are eating, 41:59 you got to replace that with stuff, you know, 42:01 that they got to be willing to accept. 42:03 Do you find resistance to that or does it, does it work? 42:06 Are they accepting of new ways 42:09 as far as eating and that kind of thing? 42:12 Well, I think they resist a little 42:15 because they do tend to eat like vast amounts of junk food. 42:20 Actually I read about this the other day 42:23 that Navajo nation, they started taxing junk food. 42:27 In Navajo nation alone, they started-- 42:29 They put a tax on junk food. 42:31 But I do think that they will accept it 42:33 because our ancestors they ate a lot of, 42:38 they eat corn and they ate, everything was organic, 42:43 everything was organic 42:44 and I've heard that they want to do that again. 42:47 So I think that this will really-- 42:51 Of course this will really work. 42:53 Yeah, yeah. 42:54 Is that the tact that you're thinking about 42:56 taking in Issachar Calling also to really lead with health? 43:00 Well, yes, we of course want to equip them 43:06 with something better. 43:08 We don't just go in and meet people 43:11 and we are like oh, you have babies, 43:13 well, you need to stop eating this and eating that. 43:15 You know, we always treat them-- 43:19 Well, do you want to try this? 43:21 You know, we will make the food. 43:24 We are not pushy, we're not like you know. 43:29 Yeah, cut down that kind of thing you're eating up. 43:30 Yeah. Yeah. 43:31 It's just try this, 43:33 try that and many times 43:36 I mean I want to say 9 times out of 10 they'll love it, 43:39 and they will ask us for the recipe 43:42 and we just really have to form friendships with them, 43:46 invite them to our house. 43:49 The cultural thing where you invite people to come 43:52 to eat to your house and they love that, you know, 43:55 and even at church we'll have healthy food at potlucks 43:58 and we really want-- 44:02 When Josh gets back we're gonna be doing like 44:04 cooking classes and nutrition type of education. 44:09 So of course we're gonna offer something better than 44:13 that junk food and, you know... 44:15 Yeah. You will give me a 20. Yeah. 44:17 Next time you're gonna give them 20. 44:18 We'll give them a 40. 44:21 Praise the Lord. Let me ask this. 44:23 Is your church behind you in this? 44:25 You have the support of your church? 44:26 Yes. 44:27 Yeah, because the numbers you threw it 44:29 and they are staggering. 44:30 You're talking about a population 44:31 the size of State of West Virginia, 44:33 300,000 plus people. 44:36 So you got to get some help, you know. 44:40 And I think it will grow 44:41 because I think it's a God thing first of all 44:43 and I think the Lord wants it to grow. 44:45 And I don't think He wants the population sitting here 44:47 in the middle of the United States, 44:49 some who have, 44:50 as you said no running water, no electricity, 44:53 but also not to know what to put in my body 44:58 to make me better, to make me live longer, 45:00 to make me a better tool in the hands of God. 45:02 So that is a really, really great thing. 45:06 As you look down the road to the future, 45:09 what's on the agenda? 45:11 What's on the table for the future? 45:13 Well, we-- 45:16 I completely forgot about the pictures we had. 45:18 Yeah, let's-- let's go to those pictures. 45:19 We both, we both did, yeah. Let's put those pictures. 45:22 Now we gonna look at some things, yes. 45:23 This first picture shows us in Albuquerque, 45:26 we're at the Texico Conference Camp Meeting 45:29 and Doug Batchelor happened to be there 45:30 and he took a picture with my wife 45:32 and one of our teachers to the left, 45:35 and that's my daughter Isabelle on the bottom right. 45:37 So just, you know, 45:39 it's kind of a special thing 'cause a lot of the members, 45:43 you know, they remember that 45:44 Doug Batchelor started that church. 45:47 So I think in the following pictures 45:51 that we have pictures of the students 45:53 that we have at our elementary school 45:55 that we just started K through 8 really. 45:57 And this is Zak. He's got a special testimony. 46:01 He's a third grader and he... 46:06 He was struggling in public school 46:09 and he's struggling to read 46:13 and he was already in third grade 46:15 and now he's doing much better. 46:16 He is just, he's happy and we have so many testimonies 46:21 from the kids that we find at the school. 46:23 You know, we have kids that were being severely bullied 46:27 and now in a safe Christian loving 46:31 family oriented environment because our kids, 46:34 they're like a family with the teachers. 46:36 So you got a church and a school? 46:38 Yes. How big is the school? 46:39 We have 12 kids right now but it's our first year. 46:43 Oh, you're just starting? 46:44 We just started. 46:45 I need to say that your ministry is fairly new, 46:48 it's fairly young. 46:49 When did Issachar Calling begin? 46:52 Well, officially we recently filed for 501c3 status. 46:59 But we've been functioning as a, 47:01 I guess as a ministry for about two and a half years. 47:04 Uh-huh. 47:06 Who's teaching in the school? Who's the teacher? 47:08 We have two teachers, 47:10 we have Laricia Crabtree 47:11 and we have Miss Cynthia Johnson. 47:14 Cynthia Risk. 47:15 I'm sorry, Miss Cynthia Risk 47:17 and so Miss Cynthia Risk came from La Vida 47:21 which is another mission that's about 70 miles 47:22 from where we are. 47:23 La Vida is where Josh's mom went to school as a child. 47:28 It's a mission school. 47:31 But either way if we can show 47:34 some of the next pictures so we can... 47:35 So this is just some of the kids you can see 47:37 and I'm not sure what they're doing here, 47:39 they're planting something. 47:40 Planting seedlings. 47:42 Here they are just playing on a little swing 47:43 that we have on a tree. 47:45 I love this picture 47:46 because we see all different nationalities here. 47:48 Right. 47:49 We have this girl in the middle, 47:50 she's a Messianic Jew 47:52 whose mom is married to a Navajo. 47:54 Wow. 47:55 And so that's why they're there. 47:57 Yeah, yeah. 47:58 And here we have the kids that 48:00 we actually picked the corn that same morning 48:04 from the field of one of our church members 48:06 and then we went home and made Kneeldown bread 48:08 to the school really and then we made kneel-- 48:10 The children made the Kneeldown bread 48:11 I should say and if you go to those, 48:12 some of the next pictures, I think it might show. 48:14 Oh, we got to ask. What is Kneeldown bread? 48:16 You kneel down while you make it. 48:18 Josh will speak for that word. 48:20 Yeah, Josh, walk us through that. 48:21 What is that? All right. 48:22 Kneeldown bread is actually 48:23 more of a Navajo traditional dish. 48:26 Uh-huh. 48:27 You make it by grinding corn and then you mix, 48:31 you make it into sort of... 48:33 Dough. 48:34 Yeah, sort of a dough 48:35 and then you place it within the corn, 48:38 the corn husks and then you bake it in the ground. 48:41 That's almost like 48:42 what my wife's country would call it tamale, 48:44 you put it back in the-- 48:45 Yeah, it's almost like that. It's actually really good. 48:48 Yeah, it is very good. It's very good. 48:50 They bake it in the ground which is cool. 48:53 Yeah, they actually bake it in the ground. 48:54 Yeah. I like that. Yeah. 48:56 Okay, let's go back to some of the other pictures, yeah. 48:57 So in the next picture, 48:58 we have here the kids are planting, 49:00 we have them doing life skills so here you see them, 49:03 they're planting crops, 49:04 they planted lettuce and greens and I forgot, 49:07 what else, tomatoes, we had tomatoes, 49:10 spinach and stuff, you know. 49:12 And then we have-- 49:14 You can see some of the tomato plants there. 49:15 Oh, wow. Yeah. 49:17 Shortly after these pictures were taken our 49:19 gardening season was over. 49:21 So we have to tell the children, 49:24 we're not gonna have gardening class anymore 49:27 and they were all, what? 49:28 Yeah. 49:29 They love it, 49:31 so we recently were able to get a greenhouse 49:34 and so we're gonna be able to do 49:36 the gardening culture year round now. 49:39 Now this is all in Waterford? 49:40 Waterflow. Yeah. 49:41 Waterflow. Yes. 49:42 Like Waterford, like Waterflow. 49:46 All right. Do we have more pictures? 49:47 Yes, we have a few more. 49:48 So here is one of the building that 49:49 we're working on it right now, 49:50 it's almost completed 49:52 but this is going to serve eventually 49:54 as a fellowship/cafeteria. 49:57 We just recently acquired another building 49:59 with two class rooms. 50:01 We would like to acquire another building, 50:02 if you go to the next slide I believe, 50:05 basically it's what it is, 50:06 that was using the Mesa Unified School District 50:08 down in Phoenix. 50:09 So we are having it transported, 50:11 but we really wanted to 50:12 'cause we need the classroom space. 50:14 We could only afford one and even then we-- 50:17 There's still so much work to do 50:19 but nevertheless at least so that the kids 50:20 can have the permanent classroom, 50:23 because right now we are renting space 50:24 from a Sunday church and then eventually 50:27 we would like to even expand and acquire some property 50:31 where we can, you know, 50:33 farm and stuff like that on a more large scale. 50:35 We do have a tractor 50:37 I think it's the next picture and it's not paid off yet, 50:42 we still owe, you know, some money on it, 50:44 but we use it for a lot of the things to prepare 50:47 the soil and for so many other things 50:51 but nevertheless, we do have a-- 50:55 We are missing one girl here. 50:56 Oh, yeah. 50:57 This is the group picture of the school. 51:00 Writing with the banners on the back. 51:02 The name of the school is Tse'Bit'Ai, 51:04 Tse and then b-i-t-a-i 51:07 with different hyphens and stuff on it 51:09 and it means rock with wings in Navajo. 51:11 Oh, wow. 51:13 So I think that was our final slide picture. 51:19 We are getting ready 51:21 and I want you to prepare yourself 51:22 to go our address roll. 51:24 And the reason I'm saying like this 51:26 because we've seen the needs, 51:27 one they need to pay off this tractor, amen. 51:30 Two probably there're couple of shackles, 51:32 to get Josh through school. 51:34 Three they want-- 51:38 The building that you showed us-- 51:39 How much ballpark for that building? 51:41 Well, we acquire that for-- 51:45 What was it? 51:46 Basically it comes out to around 12,000. 51:48 12,000. Okay. 51:49 And you want another, 51:50 not just want another, need another. 51:51 We need another. It's okay. 51:52 So you need, we need 24,000 for a couple of buildings. 51:56 This is a new ministry that God has birth 52:00 in the heart of Moses and Anna and Josh also. 52:05 And it's a ministry to a group that wouldn't necessarily be 52:10 ministered to except the Lord put the burden on them. 52:14 You've got a large group of people 52:15 right here in the United States. 52:18 So if you looking for missionary work, 52:20 you don't have to get on a plane 52:21 and fly to India or Africa or South East Asia, 52:25 you got a mission field right here 52:27 and you'll forgive my pejorative of English, 52:29 it ain't a small one, it's a big missionary, 52:33 that needs a lot of work 52:34 that is responding to the gospel 52:37 and we need to help them. 52:38 Should you like to be a part of the Issachar Calling 52:42 to support what they are doing, 52:44 here's the information that you're gonna need. 52:48 If you'd like to know more about this ministry 52:50 or how you can support it, 52:52 then you can write to The Issachar Calling, 52:55 P.O. 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