I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hi and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C.A Murray,
and allow me once again
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to thank you for sharing
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just a little of your
no doubt busy day with us.
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To thank you once again
for your love, your prayers,
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your support of this ministry
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for what you do to help us
do what we are called to do
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and that's to
shine the love of Christ
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throughout the world,
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got a really,
really good program today.
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I'm excited, yay, verily.
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First of all
because of the work,
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a mission work be it at home
or abroad always excites me.
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And then we got three really
good looking young people.
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Don't know
quite how old they are
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but they are younger than me
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so that qualifies
they're young people.
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But they're doing a great
work that we want to talk about,
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a nation within a
nation, a work within a work
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that you may not be aware of
even here in the United States.
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We've got Moses Tyler.
Moses, good to have you here.
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Thank you.
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Lovely wife,
Anna, how you doing?
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Good.
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And Joshua Jones
down on the end there,
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really great story
and really great work
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that they're doing.
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Their project is
called the Issachar Calling
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which to me that's
an exciting name anyhow,
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I got to ask you
where did that come from?
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We need to get into that.
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Then we're gonna
find a little bit
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about your backgrounds and
then get into this ministry
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to the Navajo people
here in the United States.
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Really, really great
story, so you want to draw close
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because air this
program shall have ended,
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we gonna ask you for a
little help and assistance.
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We want to tell
you what's going on
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so that you can get the feel
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of this really,
really great work
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that these young
people are doing.
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I want to start with you,
Moses before we go to our music.
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I asked you this before
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and it's kind of
a complex question.
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Where are you from?
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And a list that kind of
long, because your parents
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were in the
service, were they not?
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My dad was in the core, yes.
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And then after
that he got discharged
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and he was doing construction
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as a construction superintendent
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he was
transferred every which way,
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but I was born in San Diego,
ocean side really, California
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and I like to say
that I'm just an American.
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Yeah, that kind of pasting
with the nice broad brush
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and so it gets
that out of the way.
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Give me just a little bit
of the flavor of growing up?
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Adventist home? Christian home?
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I didn't know
the Adventist message
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until I was
about 9, 10 years old,
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almost 10 years old
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and so I experienced a
lot of domestic violence
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and lot of, you
know, that weekend partying
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and stuff with my
parents and so that all changed
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when someone gave
my dad Bible studies
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and next thing you know,
we were different people.
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You know, we
didn't eat the same,
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we didn't watch the same things.
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A lot of things
changed that me and my brothers
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all were kind of, kind
of-- we were complaining like,
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hey, what's going on?
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But we did notice tremendous
changes in our own house.
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And that was, that by itself
was enough to like the change.
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Eventually we all
realize this is good.
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Was it to Christianity
or Adventism in particular?
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It was to
Adventism in particular.
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And this was in San
Bernardino, California.
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So you moved up
the road a little bit.
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Yeah, yes.
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So going to church as
far as your reformative years
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or something that you
were accustom to doing.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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So we-- I grew up going to
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you could say Adventist church,
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I was-- eventually
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we moved to Tucson, Arizona.
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And we did a lot of in
gathering and pathfinders
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and we were all involved in that
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and so it was, I got
to experience all of that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I got to ask you
one more question
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before I'll leave
you and we go to Anna,
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then we'd go to music
before we go to Joshua
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because we've got a
long time to spend with him.
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But in your teen
age did you go through
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any wilderness
time as a teenager
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or you pretty much--
where you pretty much
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a straight
Adventist all the way through?
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Well, I would say that
if-- I did venture probably
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from about 15 years on
for till I was about 25,
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I really just--
I went out there,
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I had my Moses experience,
you know as I like to think.
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So, little time
into wilderness, yeah.
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That's right.
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Now, you were in a
service also, were you not?
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Yes, I was, I was in
the United States navy
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and I did
electronics in the navy,
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I was in for six
years and in the navy
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is where I started to realize
that I needed to come back
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toward my ending.
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And so little by
little God was working on me
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before you know what I realized,
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I had to get out of the navy
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to do what I
felt I needed to do.
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Yeah, yeah, but you told me that
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something kind of
happened to you on a ship?
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You found some material
there in the ship's library?
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Yeah, we were on deployment,
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you know, this is
after the 9/11 had happened
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and I had a really good
friend of mine F.C. II Olive
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and he was a Baptist
and he was a very pious man
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and we were really good friends,
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we started
having studies together
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and he started to get me
back into religious things,
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and I started realizing
I needed to change my life
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and then it just so
happens, I found a copy
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of the Desire of
Ages and Steps to Christ.
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Wow.
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And there was this
other little pamphlet
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that basically had a breakdown
of Adventist prophecy it was,
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I forget who it was and it,
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you know, it talked
about Daniel and Revelation
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and I remember
showing my friend,
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my batches friends this in.
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I said, hey, you know,
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and then I
started showing him thing,
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I found another
pamphlet on the Sabbath
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and I was like, wow,
yeah, this is really good.
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So I studied it with him,
and I got him to admit yeah,
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you know what, the
Sabbath, yeah, it is the truth.
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Saturday, the seventh
day is the true Sabbath
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and when I
realized that I thought,
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you know, I
can't do this anymore,
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I need to separate myself
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because in the
navy I was surrounded by
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all kinds of
influences that you can imagine,
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going from port to port
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and just the things
you see even it's--.
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Yeah.
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So the Lord just happened to
have these books on board ship.
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You are in the
middle of what ocean?
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I think I was in the
Indian Ocean at the time.
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Yeah.
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In off the coast of
Djibouti they call it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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In Africa, when
this happened but--.
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And praise God.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Anna, you
actually do get to talk.
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Firstly where are you from?
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Well, I'm kind of like
him, I'm from a lot of places
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but Arizona isn't
the main state I grew up
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and I was born
in California, L.A
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but between southern
Arizona is where I grew up.
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Yeah. Adventist home growing up?
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Christian home?
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Yeah, pretty much, yeah, yeah.
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My grandparents
converted in Mexico
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and so I'm kind
of a third generation
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I guess, yeah.
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Were you
practicing when you guys met?
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Were you pretty solid in your--
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Well, we were kids, we
were like 16 years old,
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we met at Prescott camp meeting,
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Adventist camp
meeting so we were kids
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and we got married pretty young,
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then we kind of left together,
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I mean when he
was in the military
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but we stayed together.
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Praise God, yeah.
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So when you were
in the navy on ship,
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you were married?
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Yes, I was.
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We've been
married this December,
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actually in a few
days will be 15 years.
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15 years.
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Well, you did get married, yeah.
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Praise the Lord.
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Yeah.
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Moses admits not
being a strong Adventist.
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Did his weakness
affect you at all
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or you were you
able to sort of hold on
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to your faith
during those times?
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No, I was weak as well,
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we kind of ventured out together
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and I did feel like
calling to come back
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when he was in the navy.
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Being a military
wife is really hard.
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It's very challenging and
we have a little baby girl
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and I just couldn't
imagine her growing up
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in the type of
life we were living,
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we were having
lots of house parties
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and you know that stuff.
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And I just kept thinking
like how can I not give her
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the gift that I was
given which is knowing Jesus,
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and going to cradle roll
something about cradle roll.
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Yeah.
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I have to take her to the
cradle roll class, you know.
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And because I grew
up in that environment
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going to Sabbath school,
and so once Sabbath I just,
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I was like I'm going
to go to church today.
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And I got her ready
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and Moses was
tired he said what?
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You are going to church?
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And so I got the
baby girl dressed,
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and I got dressed and
I went and it was scary
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because I hadn't
gone back for a while,
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and I didn't know anybody
but everybody was so friendly,
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it was in Norfolk, Virginia.
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Praise the Lord.
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And eventually he
started coming with us
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and we just kind
of started coming back
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and so we came back,
praise the Lord, yeah.
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So, Moses, was your return
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kind of a
dramatic, traumatic thing
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or you kind of just eased your
way back into, into the faith?
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You know, I want to say
that I eased my way in a sense,
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but in a way I
didn't 'cause I was still
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very well
holding on to the world,
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I was still
drinking, I was still smoking,
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doing partying stuff
and you know I go to church,
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I started paying my
tithe but I don't know.
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It just doesn't
feel all right. Yeah.
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And, you know, one
thing that I was gonna mention
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that I forgot was,
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when I got back from
my second deployment,
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I forget how
old my daughter was,
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I think she must
have been around three,
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four at the time,
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and she didn't recognized
me, and she was afraid of me.
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And to me that
was heart breaking
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because here is my daughter.
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Yes.
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And she was hiding from me,
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she was hiding behind her mother
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and I saw that and I thought,
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wow, this is too much,
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you know I just I can't do this.
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Yeah.
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So it was a
combination of things,
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it wasn't until I
really got out of the navy
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that I went to some
evangelistic series in Tucson
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and I was then really moved
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to make definite
changes in my life to say,
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okay, hitherto and no more,
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I cannot live this
double life anymore.
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Yeah.
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I put it all away I had,
I went home that last night
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and I had the wine collection,
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that I had collected
from France, Italy, Spain
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all over the world
literally South America.
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I don't know how many
thousands of dollars that was,
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I went home and I started
throwing them in the trash
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and I remember this one bottle
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that I had bought in Paris,
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I thought, oh, man I
spent so much money on this,
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how can I just throw this away.
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I grabbed it, I
find the cork screw
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and I opened it
and I pour a glass
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and I smell it and I taste it
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and I thought I
was going to enjoy it
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but I guess God must
have given me a hatred
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for because as soon
as I put it in my mouth,
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it was so disgusting and
I spit it out in the sink.
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Yeah.
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I was like, wow,
this is disgusting how?
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So and I looked at the bottle
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and I'm like, I spent
that much money on this,
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so I just
poured it down the sink
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and I threw it even more fervor
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in the big
dumpster that we had outside
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and I did the same with
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a bunch of other
stuff that I had it so.
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Yeah, Anna, were you
aware of this changes
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that he was going
through these moves?
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Yes, yeah, we were
going through it together
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and I went to the
same evangelistic meeting
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and I have been going to church
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but it wasn't like a
100%, it was like maybe 80%.
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We're still
holding on to some things
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and that night we
just kind of vowed
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to just leave all that behind.
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We got re-baptized as well
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and it's been a
totally different life
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since then just
we've been experiencing
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so much happiness
and joy ever since then.
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Praise God.
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I got to ask you
before we go to our music.
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Okay, you're saying,
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I can't do this
navy thing anymore,
00:14:11.36\00:14:13.05
and God is
obviously changing your taste
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and your habits.
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Are you getting the direction
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as to what you're
gonna do with your life
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'cause you are
shutting down one area,
00:14:21.72\00:14:24.43
something else got to open up.
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Is God giving you
any kind of direction
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or you're just saying, okay,
I'm just leaving this behind
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whatever God gives me
that's what I'm gonna do.
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Well, I had thought that
God wanted me to finish school,
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and at the same time
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we started a construction
business with my father
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and so that's where I
thought God was taking us,
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so that's what we did.
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And so I started,
I went back to school
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full time and then part time,
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and then eventually I
wasn't going to school
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because the construction
was consuming my time.
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Yeah.
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And then
eventually the market turned
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and I went back
to school full time
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and I finished and then my wife
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was very involved
with the business as well,
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but I didn't-- we
eventually ended up
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walking away from that
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because of how bad
things got in Arizona.
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You guys have crisscrossed
the country a little bit
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'cause I'm here in San
Diego, Norfolk, Phoenix,
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you're going back and forth.
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So you're leaving construction,
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is this new ministry
beginning to open up to you or,
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you know, let's do this
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because once I get
started I don't want to stop,
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let's go to our music now
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'cause they are
gonna take us some place
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and we all want
to go to it together.
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But our music is
coming from Gylchris Sprauve
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and a great friend
of this ministry now,
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living in the Virgin Islands,
beautiful voice, beautiful guy
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and he's gonna be
singing a beautiful song.
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Some people
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Want to caught
to match perceptions
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To lead them
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In their own direction
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But can you follow
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When you don't understand
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When the path you're on
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Is not the cause you bless
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You can't see
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A king without a kingdom
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And in your minds
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I should read your lines of pain
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But through my
eyes I see another plan
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When that selfish
hearts can't understand
00:17:01.18\00:17:05.77
The king wants to save the lost
00:17:05.80\00:17:10.46
He trades His crown for a cross
00:17:10.49\00:17:15.94
Will you worship Him now?
00:17:15.97\00:17:20.28
Will you worship Him now?
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Hanging here
between the earth and sky
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On the cross
willing to die for you
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Will You Worship Me Now?
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Will You Worship Me Now?
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I'm before you without
my crown I'm your Savior,
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My head's hung down
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And the question I
place on your heart
00:17:51.47\00:17:55.16
Will You Worship Me Now?
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Things go wrong
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In your life without a reason
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And naturally
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You want someone to explain
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So then you come to me
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crying Lord, why this pain
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Did I not confess
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My sins in Jesus' name?
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There is one thing
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You've just got to realize
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I am still God full of mercy
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Strong and wise
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So would you
trust in my master plan?
00:19:07.61\00:19:12.01
In which I live
and die like mortal man
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Your faith and my
strength will grow
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And then I can really know
00:19:21.46\00:19:26.83
If you'll worship Me now?
00:19:26.86\00:19:31.08
Will you worship Him now?
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Hanging here
between the earth and sky
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On the cross
willing to die for you
00:19:39.36\00:19:44.39
Will you worship Me now?
00:19:44.42\00:19:48.66
Will you worship Me now?
00:19:48.69\00:19:52.48
I'm before you without my crown
00:19:52.51\00:19:56.94
I'm your Savior,
My head's hung down
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And the question I
place on your heart
00:20:01.77\00:20:05.19
Will you worship Me
00:20:05.22\00:20:07.31
When a faith
does not equal faith
00:20:07.34\00:20:11.26
You should know I
will always be there
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To strengthen and comfort
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And care for you
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In the darkness
of all that you face
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I will let you
my mercy and grace
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The question we miss
00:20:35.03\00:20:38.20
Will you worship Me now?
00:20:38.23\00:20:42.76
Will you worship Me now?
00:20:42.79\00:20:46.91
I'm before you without
My crown I'm your Savior,
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My head's hung down
00:20:53.60\00:20:56.18
And the question I
place on your heart
00:20:56.21\00:21:03.85
Will you worship Me now?
00:21:03.88\00:21:10.02
The question I
place on your heart
00:21:15.29\00:21:20.00
Will you worship Me now?
00:21:34.58\00:21:42.01
Amen, Gylchris Sprauve,
good buddy, good friend,
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"Will you worship Me now."
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Well done.
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My guests, Moses Tyler,
Anna Tyler, Joshua Jones,
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a good looking
all and when we left,
00:21:55.65\00:21:58.98
you were kind of in transition
00:21:59.01\00:22:01.12
because you were
putting the old life behind
00:22:01.15\00:22:04.20
and sort of waiting
on a Lord to show you
00:22:04.23\00:22:06.53
what was coming up.
00:22:06.56\00:22:08.44
I want to move you
along so we can get to that
00:22:08.47\00:22:11.07
good looking young
man on the end there,
00:22:11.10\00:22:13.40
so that he didn't
become a hood ornament,
00:22:13.43\00:22:15.94
we want him to talk
00:22:15.97\00:22:17.22
but you are saying
goodbye to your old life.
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Obviously, God is
moving you some place else.
00:22:20.68\00:22:24.95
Tell me what the
Issachar Calling,
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where that name came from?
00:22:27.29\00:22:31.63
Well, I guess I'm the
one who came up with it,
00:22:31.66\00:22:35.62
and I saw it as,
00:22:35.65\00:22:39.35
you know that not
many people realize
00:22:39.38\00:22:41.29
or remember that
it's one of the 12 tribes.
00:22:41.32\00:22:44.41
And I started looking into it,
00:22:44.44\00:22:48.80
it all started with a sermon
that I heard by Dwight Nelson,
00:22:48.83\00:22:52.88
and it was a while back ago
00:22:52.91\00:22:56.10
but I started
looking more into this tribe
00:22:56.13\00:23:00.61
'cause I have never heard of it,
00:23:00.64\00:23:02.13
and I started realizing
things about this tribe
00:23:02.16\00:23:04.18
that I was fascinated with
00:23:04.21\00:23:07.10
and especially in
Second Chronicles 12:32.
00:23:07.13\00:23:09.61
Yeah.
00:23:09.64\00:23:10.69
Where we are
told that they were,
00:23:10.72\00:23:11.88
you know, the children that
knew of the times and seasons
00:23:11.91\00:23:15.11
and what Israel ought to do.
00:23:15.14\00:23:16.67
What to do, yes.
00:23:16.70\00:23:17.74
And so I especially liked
00:23:17.77\00:23:21.73
Jacob's
prophecy about this tribe
00:23:21.76\00:23:25.21
where he refers
to them as a donkey
00:23:25.24\00:23:28.00
that lies down to so that
he can be two burdens yeah.
00:23:28.03\00:23:33.20
So I look at this
tribe and I think wow,
00:23:33.23\00:23:35.78
they are
servants, they are ready
00:23:35.81\00:23:42.39
and willing to serve
00:23:42.42\00:23:45.92
and they're actively
doing it and they served
00:23:45.95\00:23:49.20
when they carried
our Jesus into Jerusalem.
00:23:49.23\00:23:51.97
They served in many other
instances when they carried,
00:23:52.00\00:23:55.54
you know, Jesus away
from Bethlehem to Egypt,
00:23:55.57\00:23:57.97
I mean there is so many
other things so I thought,
00:23:58.00\00:24:00.39
you know, we need more,
00:24:00.42\00:24:02.24
we need to call more
people to be servants.
00:24:02.27\00:24:06.21
And, you know,
donkeys don't talk,
00:24:06.24\00:24:07.87
except in the one
instance with Balaam.
00:24:07.90\00:24:09.63
One time.
00:24:09.66\00:24:10.69
That was the supernatural event
00:24:10.72\00:24:12.92
and so we should
be more like this
00:24:12.95\00:24:16.04
or there should be less
complaining, less talking,
00:24:16.07\00:24:19.66
more action,
more active service.
00:24:19.69\00:24:21.56
Yes.
00:24:21.59\00:24:22.63
And, you know, being delighted
to do this service to--
00:24:22.66\00:24:27.46
Hey, let me carry
that burden for you.
00:24:27.49\00:24:30.30
You know, when we start
having this thinking upon others
00:24:30.33\00:24:33.78
rather than on ourselves
that I really think that
00:24:33.81\00:24:37.97
we can start to do
more for Gods work.
00:24:38.00\00:24:39.88
Yeah.
00:24:39.91\00:24:41.06
So that's kind of why I
said the Issachar Calling
00:24:41.09\00:24:43.55
because I feel like we need
to call other people to do this.
00:24:43.58\00:24:46.04
Do the work.
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Tell me about the day,
00:24:47.22\00:24:48.25
you went
looking-- you went driving,
00:24:48.28\00:24:51.27
you heard about some ruins
00:24:51.30\00:24:52.42
and you found
upon a particular ruin,
00:24:52.45\00:24:55.71
actually the ruin
of an Adventist church.
00:24:55.74\00:24:57.22
Tell me about that thing?
00:24:57.25\00:24:59.61
Okay, so we are on
our way to Colorado,
00:24:59.64\00:25:05.63
and we went to Colorado
and eventually on our way back,
00:25:05.66\00:25:09.72
we drove
through Chinle, Arizona,
00:25:09.75\00:25:13.07
it's on the Navajo Reservation
00:25:13.10\00:25:14.67
although at the
time I didn't know it.
00:25:14.70\00:25:16.47
I didn't even know that
Navajo Reservation existed.
00:25:16.50\00:25:20.63
I particularly wanted to
go to see Canyon De Chelly
00:25:20.66\00:25:24.93
where there are
native American ruins there.
00:25:24.96\00:25:28.85
And so my wife and I
we detoured a little bit
00:25:28.88\00:25:31.06
and we went there
and as we were leaving,
00:25:31.09\00:25:33.41
it was a
beautiful, beautiful hike
00:25:33.44\00:25:36.69
and as we were coming leaving
to go back towards Tucson,
00:25:36.72\00:25:41.59
we stumbled upon
a sign that was in--
00:25:41.62\00:25:45.72
you know, you could
barely even read it,
00:25:45.75\00:25:47.00
it was so bad but it said
00:25:47.03\00:25:49.56
Chinle
Seventh-day Adventist church
00:25:49.59\00:25:51.05
and it had an
arrow, so we were like wow,
00:25:51.08\00:25:54.52
and so we
pulled in and we drove,
00:25:54.55\00:25:58.39
we went to go find this church
00:25:58.42\00:26:00.52
'cause I didn't
realize who, who's out here.
00:26:00.55\00:26:03.22
Yeah.
00:26:03.25\00:26:05.08
So we find this church
00:26:05.11\00:26:07.63
and we-- at first we couldn't
00:26:07.66\00:26:08.76
even believe the
sign for the church
00:26:08.79\00:26:11.17
and school was knocked over.
00:26:11.20\00:26:15.56
And then there was a ginormous,
00:26:15.59\00:26:18.30
I think it was a Cottonwood
tree that had fallen over
00:26:18.33\00:26:20.80
and into one of the buildings
and all along the property,
00:26:20.83\00:26:24.89
there was cottonwood trees
that had fallen on the fence
00:26:24.92\00:26:27.35
and there was
just so much damage.
00:26:27.38\00:26:29.22
The roof were lifted
up, and so I saw this
00:26:29.25\00:26:32.74
and immediately my heart
was crying out like why Lord?
00:26:32.77\00:26:37.14
Why does Your church
have to look like this?
00:26:37.17\00:26:41.53
You know in such disrepair.
00:26:41.56\00:26:42.95
Was anybody worshiping
in that church at a time?
00:26:42.98\00:26:44.84
Was sort of,
kind of just abandoned
00:26:44.87\00:26:46.41
Well, it looked abandoned
00:26:46.44\00:26:47.70
but there was still a
small congregation there,
00:26:47.73\00:26:51.09
but they happened
to be somewhere else
00:26:51.12\00:26:53.55
and so eventually a lady
came that one of the teachers
00:26:53.58\00:27:00.03
that live there
and she gave us a tour.
00:27:00.06\00:27:02.36
And we saw even
more of the disrepair,
00:27:02.39\00:27:06.25
you know this apparently
she told us a storm came,
00:27:06.28\00:27:09.14
knocked over a bunch of trees
and it cause a lot of damage.
00:27:09.17\00:27:12.79
So she was pleading with
us to please help if we could
00:27:12.82\00:27:16.45
and so we went back to Tucson,
00:27:16.48\00:27:18.27
we showed a bunch of pictures
00:27:18.30\00:27:20.28
that we had taken to several
churches in the Tucson area
00:27:20.31\00:27:23.92
and we were able
to raise about $5,000
00:27:23.95\00:27:26.03
that we took back to
Chinle, about how long was it?
00:27:26.06\00:27:29.99
I think a week later.
00:27:30.02\00:27:32.24
So you got that
$5,000 pretty fast.
00:27:32.27\00:27:33.99
Yeah. Yeah, praise God.
00:27:34.02\00:27:35.35
And so then we use that fund
00:27:35.38\00:27:37.23
or those funds to build a
new sign out of block wall
00:27:37.26\00:27:40.35
that was later stuck hood
00:27:40.38\00:27:41.41
and then we put a
new sign that was lit,
00:27:41.44\00:27:44.34
and you know we
did all the electrical
00:27:44.37\00:27:46.40
and then we did
painting on the building
00:27:46.43\00:27:49.45
and we repaired a lot of stuff
00:27:49.48\00:27:51.33
and replaced
windows that were broken,
00:27:51.36\00:27:53.82
get some roof repaired
00:27:53.85\00:27:54.94
and collected, we
took a dump truck with us
00:27:54.97\00:27:57.88
and we
collected a bunch of trash
00:27:57.91\00:27:59.08
and hauled it to the dump.
00:27:59.11\00:28:01.45
But so we had a lot of
people that came with us
00:28:01.48\00:28:04.60
from Tucson to help with that
00:28:04.63\00:28:06.18
and that was our
first experience.
00:28:06.21\00:28:07.26
I've got to say this, the Lord
00:28:07.29\00:28:08.68
kind of put the bit in
your mouth pretty fast,
00:28:08.71\00:28:11.11
I mean you got
locked into this real quick.
00:28:11.14\00:28:13.77
Yeah.
00:28:13.80\00:28:15.27
It was that-- was that
00:28:15.30\00:28:16.38
the sort of
genesis of your wanting
00:28:16.41\00:28:18.67
to work among the Navajo people.
00:28:18.70\00:28:21.63
That was a-- yeah,
00:28:21.66\00:28:22.73
it wasn't necessarily
the Navajo as much as it was,
00:28:22.76\00:28:26.18
we wanted to do something more,
00:28:26.21\00:28:28.96
'cause we were even
trying to go overseas
00:28:28.99\00:28:30.91
but we had a lot
of debt at the time
00:28:30.94\00:28:32.27
and we were counseled that,
00:28:32.30\00:28:33.35
you know, take
care of your debt first.
00:28:33.38\00:28:34.65
All right.
00:28:34.68\00:28:36.00
So we-- that's what we did.
00:28:36.03\00:28:37.34
Yeah, so you were a mission
in search of something to do,
00:28:37.37\00:28:42.20
I mean you had this
thing in your heart,
00:28:42.23\00:28:45.10
you just needed a
place to function.
00:28:45.13\00:28:48.15
And God has given
you a place to function.
00:28:48.18\00:28:50.49
Now, I want to--
00:28:50.52\00:28:51.62
because I want to
get to Joshua real quick,
00:28:51.65\00:28:53.65
but we were talking,
00:28:53.68\00:28:56.23
the Navajo nation is
pretty large, is it not?
00:28:56.26\00:28:59.46
Yes. Give me some number?
00:28:59.49\00:29:01.60
Well, the most
recent facts that I saw was
00:29:01.63\00:29:05.42
from a native-- newspaper
00:29:05.45\00:29:10.43
and it says that as
of the most recent senses
00:29:10.46\00:29:12.83
that there are
currently 332, 000 Navajos,
00:29:12.86\00:29:17.86
Navajo native Americans
00:29:17.89\00:29:20.06
and out of those I
believe it's 44,000
00:29:20.09\00:29:24.40
live off the reservations
00:29:24.43\00:29:25.67
so the great majority
live on the reservation.
00:29:25.70\00:29:27.43
On reservation.
00:29:27.46\00:29:28.59
And that reservation
covers about what size?
00:29:28.62\00:29:32.09
Well, the size of
the Navajo Reservation
00:29:32.12\00:29:35.33
is compared to almost
being about the same in size
00:29:35.36\00:29:41.36
with the state of West Virginia.
00:29:41.39\00:29:43.91
So we are talking about
fairly good slice of land.
00:29:43.94\00:29:46.41
Yes.
00:29:46.44\00:29:47.47
Within the United States.
00:29:47.50\00:29:48.97
Yes. That--
00:29:49.00\00:29:51.96
How is
Christianity accepted, rejected?
00:29:51.99\00:29:56.34
How is it doing
in the Navajo nation?
00:29:56.37\00:29:59.59
Well, I can tell
you my experience,
00:29:59.62\00:30:01.45
and perhaps Josh
can give you his.
00:30:01.48\00:30:03.10
Come into.
00:30:03.13\00:30:04.25
So what I have
seen is, as Adventists
00:30:04.28\00:30:08.28
we don't have many
churches, we have plans
00:30:08.31\00:30:12.63
but what we need are workers.
00:30:12.66\00:30:14.18
Yeah.
00:30:14.21\00:30:15.24
What we need
are dedicated people
00:30:15.27\00:30:17.17
with the missionary spirit
that are willing to commit.
00:30:17.20\00:30:21.68
Christianity is
all over the res,
00:30:21.71\00:30:23.94
but unfortunately the
Christianity that exists
00:30:23.97\00:30:27.55
has given Christ a bad name.
00:30:27.58\00:30:31.87
Because of the many things
00:30:31.90\00:30:33.18
that have been
done in Christ name
00:30:33.21\00:30:36.55
and it's
unfortunate so we go in there
00:30:36.58\00:30:39.75
as just another Christian.
00:30:39.78\00:30:41.54
oh, you are just one of them.
00:30:41.57\00:30:43.26
So we have to, we have to use
00:30:43.29\00:30:46.34
different methods of approaching
00:30:46.37\00:30:48.38
of reaching of
winning their hearts.
00:30:48.41\00:30:51.66
Yes. Right.
00:30:51.69\00:30:53.29
And so that's where
we have the advantage
00:30:53.32\00:30:55.70
because we have
been given knowledge
00:30:55.73\00:30:58.89
on how to reach people,
00:30:58.92\00:31:00.94
you know, in a
more successful manner.
00:31:00.97\00:31:03.99
The health message as a massage,
00:31:04.02\00:31:06.06
is that something that
00:31:06.09\00:31:07.89
the Navajo would find appealing?
00:31:07.92\00:31:09.76
Yes, very much so because
00:31:09.79\00:31:11.58
the Navajo are
already very much into,
00:31:11.61\00:31:16.36
you know, natural methods, herbs
00:31:16.39\00:31:20.53
and even
hydrotherapy believe it or not
00:31:20.56\00:31:22.86
and so lot of this
stuff they see it and they go.
00:31:22.89\00:31:25.63
Wow, yeah, you know,
00:31:25.66\00:31:26.75
they want, they
except stuff like that.
00:31:26.78\00:31:28.82
Grateful, very good very good.
00:31:28.85\00:31:30.84
Joshua man, you
actually get to talk.
00:31:30.87\00:31:33.14
Thank you. Thank you.
00:31:33.17\00:31:34.63
I thought I was just decoration.
00:31:34.66\00:31:37.50
We don't want you
to be a hood ornament
00:31:37.53\00:31:38.83
for the whole program.
00:31:38.86\00:31:40.23
Tell me how you
met up these guys?
00:31:40.26\00:31:42.45
Well, actually, actually met
up with him in 2010 once my mom,
00:31:42.48\00:31:47.98
where we attended a
seminar in Pinon hills
00:31:48.01\00:31:51.41
or at Pinon Hills church
in Farmington, New Mexico.
00:31:51.44\00:31:54.96
It was quite a
while back, I met him,
00:31:54.99\00:31:58.96
I really thought they are
strange people to be honest.
00:31:58.99\00:32:02.63
When I first came
into an Adventist church
00:32:02.66\00:32:04.27
I thought everybody was strange,
00:32:04.30\00:32:06.19
specially well, while
I talked with some guys
00:32:06.22\00:32:11.42
from Amazing Facts
00:32:11.45\00:32:13.15
and they are
talking to me about my music
00:32:13.18\00:32:15.67
and back then I was
just, I wanted to keep my music
00:32:15.70\00:32:20.14
and I wanted to keep my diet,
00:32:20.17\00:32:22.59
I was eating like a,
like a heathen, like--
00:32:22.62\00:32:27.36
Now, I got to walk
you through some stuff
00:32:27.39\00:32:29.13
because your mom is here.
00:32:29.16\00:32:30.53
We met a really,
really wonderful person.
00:32:30.56\00:32:33.34
Did you had any
Christian influences
00:32:33.37\00:32:34.88
in your home at all growing up?
00:32:34.91\00:32:36.98
Well, I did
actually but it was more of--
00:32:37.01\00:32:42.91
Hmm, how should I
say this, it was more...
00:32:42.94\00:32:46.32
We did go to church,
it was the door church.
00:32:46.35\00:32:49.65
We went to church on Sunday,
so it was a Sunday church
00:32:49.68\00:32:53.06
and back then I wasn't
really serious about church,
00:32:53.09\00:32:55.67
I just-- we went
to church like oh,
00:32:55.70\00:32:57.12
we are going to church
00:32:57.15\00:32:58.18
and then once we
come back I'd be like,
00:32:58.21\00:33:00.15
oh, man, I got that over with,
00:33:00.18\00:33:01.52
now I can go ski or
now I can go do whatever.
00:33:01.55\00:33:03.64
Right.
00:33:03.67\00:33:04.71
So it's kind of a nominal thing,
00:33:04.74\00:33:05.85
it wasn't something that
was really in your heart.
00:33:05.88\00:33:07.32
You have brothers and sisters?
00:33:07.35\00:33:08.76
Yes, I do, I have three
brothers and one sister.
00:33:08.79\00:33:11.04
Now where are you in that line?
00:33:11.07\00:33:12.54
Well, I'm actually
second to the oldest.
00:33:12.57\00:33:17.51
When Adventism began to
work its way in to your life?
00:33:17.54\00:33:22.08
Was it something
you fought against?
00:33:22.11\00:33:24.47
You said it really kind
of, kind of strange really,
00:33:24.50\00:33:28.50
because it's gonna separate you
00:33:28.53\00:33:29.85
from lot of the stuff
that you're accustomed.
00:33:29.88\00:33:30.96
Exactly.
00:33:30.99\00:33:32.02
So, it's something
that you fought against?
00:33:32.05\00:33:33.84
Well, it was actually
something I did fight against
00:33:33.87\00:33:37.02
because back then
I just really wanted
00:33:37.05\00:33:39.73
to stick with
my music, you know.
00:33:39.76\00:33:41.32
I really, I
don't know what it was,
00:33:41.35\00:33:44.04
I say just had a
hold on me through music
00:33:44.07\00:33:47.51
and I didn't want
to let go of that.
00:33:47.54\00:33:49.43
I didn't want to let go
of just the food I was eating
00:33:49.46\00:33:53.39
because I heard
the health message,
00:33:53.42\00:33:56.36
so it was pretty hard.
00:33:56.39\00:33:58.40
Yeah, now we-- you
said the food you're eating,
00:33:58.43\00:34:00.59
a lot of pork I suspect?
00:34:00.62\00:34:02.07
Pork, beef, ham.
00:34:02.10\00:34:07.56
Wow, a whole lot, bloonies.
00:34:07.59\00:34:09.56
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:34:09.59\00:34:11.69
so Adventism got his
hand in your refrigerator?
00:34:11.72\00:34:13.68
Yeah. Right away.
00:34:13.71\00:34:14.79
Yep, yep, exactly.
00:34:14.82\00:34:16.45
And you've got
some decisions to make.
00:34:16.48\00:34:19.92
As far as your, your brothers
and sisters your siblings,
00:34:19.95\00:34:22.15
were they struggling as you were
00:34:22.18\00:34:24.60
or was it
little easier for them?
00:34:24.63\00:34:27.85
They are struggling because,
00:34:27.88\00:34:29.11
you know, they're still younger.
00:34:29.14\00:34:30.55
Yeah.
00:34:30.58\00:34:31.64
So they don't, they won't
really accept it as I would
00:34:31.67\00:34:35.65
because I have
matured more and I understand,
00:34:35.68\00:34:38.28
I read about it
and they just go on,
00:34:38.31\00:34:41.45
you know, they are little
00:34:41.48\00:34:42.78
so they just go about their day,
00:34:42.81\00:34:44.30
they play, they think yeah,
00:34:44.33\00:34:46.62
you know, you know,
I'm talking about yeah.
00:34:46.65\00:34:48.66
Very sure.
00:34:48.69\00:34:49.79
Now was your mom buying
this new Adventist thing
00:34:49.82\00:34:54.46
was she accepting at herself?
00:34:54.49\00:34:55.92
Yes, she was, she was.
00:34:55.95\00:34:57.99
She was actually
the one who prompted it.
00:34:58.02\00:35:00.61
She wanted us to change.
00:35:00.64\00:35:02.51
She is like you know what,
we need to change our diet.
00:35:02.54\00:35:04.66
We need to change what we eat.
00:35:04.69\00:35:06.83
She even saw
through everybody at church
00:35:06.86\00:35:09.40
like to be honest
when I came to the church
00:35:09.43\00:35:12.33
I was wondering what
sort of food they are eating
00:35:12.36\00:35:15.22
because it tastes so plain,
it was so plain and I was,
00:35:15.25\00:35:18.96
I didn't really like
it but now I love it.
00:35:18.99\00:35:22.54
I cannot stand anything else.
00:35:22.57\00:35:24.35
Yeah.
00:35:24.38\00:35:25.45
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:35:25.48\00:35:26.67
What?
00:35:26.70\00:35:27.79
And I use this
terminology, Josh.
00:35:27.82\00:35:29.29
What did it for you?
00:35:29.32\00:35:32.30
Because you said we
are doing the Sunday thing
00:35:32.33\00:35:34.06
kind of just, we
are just doing it
00:35:34.09\00:35:35.96
but obliviously
something happened
00:35:35.99\00:35:37.53
to change your
relationship with Jesus.
00:35:37.56\00:35:40.75
What did that for you?
00:35:40.78\00:35:42.59
What helped me change in
my relationship with Jesus?
00:35:42.62\00:35:46.08
Well, honestly it was
through the health message.
00:35:46.11\00:35:49.33
I found out that,
00:35:49.36\00:35:51.32
you know as
sister White most of her,
00:35:51.35\00:35:55.91
most of her
teachings were from the early--
00:35:55.94\00:35:59.31
from the 18th
century-- not the 18th century
00:35:59.34\00:36:02.44
but the 1800s and
early 1900s back then
00:36:02.47\00:36:06.03
they didn't really push
health reform and I saw that as,
00:36:06.06\00:36:09.47
it was striking to me like,
00:36:09.50\00:36:10.91
wow, this woman knew about
00:36:10.94\00:36:13.80
all of this
before everybody else.
00:36:13.83\00:36:16.92
How could she know?
00:36:16.95\00:36:18.45
How could she
preach this to everybody?
00:36:18.48\00:36:20.57
When everybody
thinks it's well for them.
00:36:20.60\00:36:23.51
And so I since she was a prophet
00:36:23.54\00:36:29.15
then that that,
that drew me closer.
00:36:29.18\00:36:33.60
Praise the Lord.
00:36:33.63\00:36:34.71
How did you guys, I
use the term hooked up,
00:36:34.74\00:36:37.71
what brought you all together?
00:36:37.74\00:36:40.46
Well, Corey, and Joshua's mom
00:36:40.49\00:36:43.67
and the family
started to come into church
00:36:43.70\00:36:45.54
and we just kind of
became their friends
00:36:45.57\00:36:48.96
and we just, we would
talk to them about things,
00:36:48.99\00:36:54.27
you know, when
they would ask us like,
00:36:54.30\00:36:56.04
how come you guys
do that or what's that?
00:36:56.07\00:36:57.79
You know, they
had a lot of questions
00:36:57.82\00:36:59.09
and specially Josh
have a lot of questions
00:36:59.12\00:37:00.99
and we just kind of
formed a friendship with them
00:37:01.02\00:37:04.72
and we started studying prophesy
00:37:04.75\00:37:10.14
and the Bible and
just got to know them
00:37:10.17\00:37:16.94
and our kids became
friends with the kids
00:37:16.97\00:37:20.17
and actually Josh's
siblings comes to the school
00:37:20.20\00:37:23.74
and we just, I guess
formed friendships at church.
00:37:23.77\00:37:30.15
Now, I've got to ask you,
00:37:30.18\00:37:31.34
try to link
some things together.
00:37:31.37\00:37:32.47
That original church
that you began working with,
00:37:32.50\00:37:34.75
that you saw in
that deliberated state,
00:37:34.78\00:37:36.45
is that now your church
00:37:36.48\00:37:37.67
or we talking
about another church?
00:37:37.70\00:37:39.04
No, no we are in
Waterflow in New Mexico now
00:37:39.07\00:37:42.90
which is in the Four Corners
00:37:42.93\00:37:44.86
and that's the one
that Doug Batchelor founded
00:37:44.89\00:37:47.73
with both Wright Family
and other families out there
00:37:47.76\00:37:51.88
the Adventist back in like '83.
00:37:51.91\00:37:54.82
So that the church that
you are now a part of is
00:37:54.85\00:37:57.90
"Doug Batchelor church."
00:37:57.93\00:37:59.40
Yeah, the one, of
course the one that is.
00:37:59.43\00:38:00.87
At Waterflow.
00:38:00.90\00:38:01.94
Tell me a little a bit about
how your ministry functions.
00:38:01.97\00:38:04.94
What are you trying to do?
00:38:04.97\00:38:06.74
What are you seeking to do?
00:38:06.77\00:38:08.14
And how are you
seeking to do it?
00:38:08.17\00:38:11.59
Well, we have a
burden to reach those
00:38:11.62\00:38:16.44
that have been hurt out
there, and that are hurting
00:38:16.47\00:38:21.12
and they just don't have the
light that we have been given.
00:38:21.15\00:38:24.91
We just want to
share what we know.
00:38:24.94\00:38:27.29
And like we were talking before,
00:38:27.32\00:38:29.65
there is a lot of
health issues out there,
00:38:29.68\00:38:31.83
diabetes is prevalent
00:38:31.86\00:38:33.62
and all kinds
of issues out there
00:38:33.65\00:38:37.90
and so we are
burdened to start a--
00:38:37.93\00:38:43.25
first of all an elementary
mission school out there
00:38:43.28\00:38:46.32
which we got that going,
00:38:46.35\00:38:48.46
but along with that we want
to also do community outreach,
00:38:48.49\00:38:54.24
have a small type
of lifestyle center
00:38:54.27\00:38:57.49
where we can teach what we know
00:38:57.52\00:39:00.38
and you know, he is gonna,
00:39:00.41\00:39:02.40
Moses is gonna
talk about that later
00:39:02.43\00:39:04.87
but we kind of just
want to focus on helping
00:39:04.90\00:39:09.69
the community that we are at
00:39:09.72\00:39:11.21
and which is what am I
offering to reservation
00:39:11.24\00:39:14.66
and so that our goal is
to reach those around us
00:39:14.69\00:39:19.42
in the reservation.
00:39:19.45\00:39:22.04
Joshua, you kind of
got into a health bug
00:39:22.07\00:39:24.23
also, have you not?
00:39:24.26\00:39:25.31
Yes.
00:39:25.34\00:39:26.37
Yeah, it's kind of
something you wanted to do.
00:39:26.40\00:39:27.87
Talk me about
what you want to do
00:39:27.90\00:39:29.21
as far as far as
practicing what you now know.
00:39:29.24\00:39:32.52
Well, and coming this semester,
00:39:32.55\00:39:36.87
this coming semester
I'm going to be attending
00:39:36.90\00:39:38.55
Wildwood College
of Health Evangelism,
00:39:38.58\00:39:41.02
so I will be
learning different sort of,
00:39:41.05\00:39:43.76
different healing methods
00:39:43.79\00:39:45.83
and I will be
helping Anna and Moses.
00:39:45.86\00:39:51.43
Yeah, I'll be
helping Anna and Moses, yeah.
00:39:51.46\00:39:54.12
Praise the Lord.
00:39:54.15\00:39:55.18
So you got to go
where we are talking to--
00:39:55.21\00:39:57.07
Georgia. To Georgia. Yeah.
00:39:57.10\00:39:58.61
And then and you
will get training
00:39:58.64\00:40:00.01
and then come on back.
00:40:00.04\00:40:01.07
Yes, I'm coming back.
00:40:01.10\00:40:02.14
But obliviously health
is something you want to do,
00:40:02.17\00:40:04.05
to help your own people.
00:40:04.08\00:40:05.76
It is definitely
something I want to do,
00:40:05.79\00:40:07.75
because so many
people they just don't know--
00:40:07.78\00:40:11.52
They don't know what they
are eating is harmful to them.
00:40:11.55\00:40:14.01
You know, there the hospitals
in Shiprock, New Mexico
00:40:14.04\00:40:19.15
on the reservation,
00:40:19.18\00:40:20.52
they do promote
health but they promote--
00:40:20.55\00:40:24.75
They promote healthy eating
yet they don't talk about GMOs,
00:40:24.78\00:40:30.84
they don't talk about
BHTs they don't talk about MSGs
00:40:30.87\00:40:35.14
what's harmful to the body.
00:40:35.17\00:40:37.30
And I think that
it's that we help out,
00:40:37.33\00:40:44.02
that we tell them what--
00:40:44.05\00:40:47.89
We tell them
what they are eating.
00:40:47.92\00:40:51.04
Is diet one of the main
causes to the health problems
00:40:51.07\00:40:58.95
that the Navajo faces?
00:40:58.98\00:41:00.18
Is it a lot of lifestyle
stuff that's really a problem?
00:41:00.21\00:41:04.58
Yes, yes, actually
four, four out of--
00:41:04.61\00:41:08.38
This was conducted by
the Tuba City Hospital.
00:41:08.41\00:41:12.04
Four out of ten Navajo's
on the Navajo Reservation,
00:41:12.07\00:41:15.39
they have diabetes or
they have pre diabetes.
00:41:15.42\00:41:17.85
Wow.
00:41:17.88\00:41:18.91
Yeah, four out of ten,
00:41:18.94\00:41:19.98
so that's about
120,000 native Americans,
00:41:20.01\00:41:23.52
Navajos in general who
have diabetes or pre diabetes
00:41:23.55\00:41:27.20
and I want to help
through because you know,
00:41:27.23\00:41:29.85
diabetes can be
prevented through diet.
00:41:29.88\00:41:34.29
You just have to give
them a plant based diet
00:41:34.32\00:41:38.23
and then they will--
00:41:38.26\00:41:39.75
The diabetes it
will, it will flee.
00:41:39.78\00:41:42.43
You know, I was talking
with Danny Shelton the other day
00:41:42.46\00:41:43.84
and he's saying, you know,
00:41:43.87\00:41:44.90
if you gonna
take away my $10 bill,
00:41:44.93\00:41:46.45
you got to give me a 20.
00:41:46.48\00:41:47.82
You know, I don't
have any problem with you
00:41:47.85\00:41:49.94
taking my 10 if you give me 20,
00:41:49.97\00:41:51.55
but if you take away
my 10 and give me nothing,
00:41:51.58\00:41:53.77
so what I'm
saying is that when you,
00:41:53.80\00:41:57.31
when you take away
what they are eating,
00:41:57.34\00:41:59.69
you got to replace
that with stuff, you know,
00:41:59.72\00:42:01.76
that they got to
be willing to accept.
00:42:01.79\00:42:03.36
Do you find resistance to
that or does it, does it work?
00:42:03.39\00:42:06.94
Are they accepting of new ways
00:42:06.97\00:42:09.65
as far as eating
and that kind of thing?
00:42:09.68\00:42:12.55
Well, I think
they resist a little
00:42:12.58\00:42:15.59
because they do tend to eat
like vast amounts of junk food.
00:42:15.62\00:42:20.78
Actually I read
about this the other day
00:42:20.81\00:42:23.10
that Navajo nation, they
started taxing junk food.
00:42:23.13\00:42:27.52
In Navajo nation
alone, they started--
00:42:27.55\00:42:29.08
They put a tax on junk food.
00:42:29.11\00:42:31.47
But I do think
that they will accept it
00:42:31.50\00:42:33.85
because our
ancestors they ate a lot of,
00:42:33.88\00:42:38.62
they eat corn and they
ate, everything was organic,
00:42:38.65\00:42:43.58
everything was organic
00:42:43.61\00:42:44.79
and I've heard that
they want to do that again.
00:42:44.82\00:42:47.78
So I think that
this will really--
00:42:47.81\00:42:51.44
Of course this will really work.
00:42:51.47\00:42:53.05
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:53.08\00:42:54.22
Is that the tact
that you're thinking about
00:42:54.25\00:42:56.64
taking in Issachar Calling
also to really lead with health?
00:42:56.67\00:43:00.47
Well, yes, we of
course want to equip them
00:43:00.50\00:43:06.38
with something better.
00:43:06.41\00:43:08.71
We don't just go
in and meet people
00:43:08.74\00:43:11.53
and we are like
oh, you have babies,
00:43:11.56\00:43:13.03
well, you need to stop
eating this and eating that.
00:43:13.06\00:43:15.25
You know, we always treat them--
00:43:15.28\00:43:19.36
Well, do you want to try this?
00:43:19.39\00:43:21.22
You know, we will make the food.
00:43:21.25\00:43:24.34
We are not pushy,
we're not like you know.
00:43:24.37\00:43:29.54
Yeah, cut down that kind
of thing you're eating up.
00:43:29.57\00:43:30.82
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:30.85\00:43:31.88
It's just try this,
00:43:31.91\00:43:33.37
try that and many times
00:43:33.40\00:43:36.95
I mean I want to say 9
times out of 10 they'll love it,
00:43:36.98\00:43:39.66
and they will
ask us for the recipe
00:43:39.69\00:43:42.34
and we just really have to
form friendships with them,
00:43:42.37\00:43:46.20
invite them to our house.
00:43:46.23\00:43:49.39
The cultural thing where
you invite people to come
00:43:49.42\00:43:52.28
to eat to your house and
they love that, you know,
00:43:52.31\00:43:55.25
and even at church we'll
have healthy food at potlucks
00:43:55.28\00:43:58.96
and we really want--
00:43:58.99\00:44:02.14
When Josh gets back
we're gonna be doing like
00:44:02.17\00:44:04.27
cooking classes and
nutrition type of education.
00:44:04.30\00:44:09.11
So of course we're gonna
offer something better than
00:44:09.14\00:44:13.37
that junk food and, you know...
00:44:13.40\00:44:15.42
Yeah. You will
give me a 20. Yeah.
00:44:15.45\00:44:17.25
Next time you're
gonna give them 20.
00:44:17.28\00:44:18.35
We'll give them a 40.
00:44:18.38\00:44:19.60
Praise the
Lord. Let me ask this.
00:44:21.79\00:44:23.95
Is your church
behind you in this?
00:44:23.98\00:44:25.40
You have the
support of your church?
00:44:25.43\00:44:26.46
Yes.
00:44:26.49\00:44:27.53
Yeah, because the
numbers you threw it
00:44:27.56\00:44:29.43
and they are staggering.
00:44:29.46\00:44:30.50
You're talking
about a population
00:44:30.53\00:44:31.64
the size of
State of West Virginia,
00:44:31.67\00:44:33.10
300,000 plus people.
00:44:33.13\00:44:36.31
So you got to get
some help, you know.
00:44:36.34\00:44:40.19
And I think it will grow
00:44:40.22\00:44:41.87
because I think it's
a God thing first of all
00:44:41.90\00:44:43.85
and I think the
Lord wants it to grow.
00:44:43.88\00:44:45.50
And I don't think He wants
the population sitting here
00:44:45.53\00:44:47.38
in the middle of
the United States,
00:44:47.41\00:44:48.99
some who have,
00:44:49.02\00:44:50.13
as you said no
running water, no electricity,
00:44:50.16\00:44:53.72
but also not to know
what to put in my body
00:44:53.75\00:44:58.52
to make me better,
to make me live longer,
00:44:58.55\00:45:00.22
to make me a better
tool in the hands of God.
00:45:00.25\00:45:02.58
So that is a
really, really great thing.
00:45:02.61\00:45:06.75
As you look down
the road to the future,
00:45:06.78\00:45:09.78
what's on the agenda?
00:45:09.81\00:45:11.46
What's on the
table for the future?
00:45:11.49\00:45:13.42
Well, we--
00:45:13.45\00:45:16.14
I completely forgot
about the pictures we had.
00:45:16.17\00:45:18.14
Yeah, let's-- let's
go to those pictures.
00:45:18.17\00:45:19.71
We both, we both did,
yeah. Let's put those pictures.
00:45:19.74\00:45:22.66
Now we gonna look
at some things, yes.
00:45:22.69\00:45:23.83
This first picture
shows us in Albuquerque,
00:45:23.86\00:45:26.79
we're at the Texico
Conference Camp Meeting
00:45:26.82\00:45:29.45
and Doug Batchelor
happened to be there
00:45:29.48\00:45:30.88
and he took a
picture with my wife
00:45:30.91\00:45:32.86
and one of our
teachers to the left,
00:45:32.89\00:45:35.15
and that's my daughter
Isabelle on the bottom right.
00:45:35.18\00:45:37.88
So just, you know,
00:45:37.91\00:45:39.04
it's kind of a special thing
'cause a lot of the members,
00:45:39.07\00:45:43.07
you know, they remember that
00:45:43.10\00:45:44.13
Doug Batchelor
started that church.
00:45:44.16\00:45:47.79
So I think in the
following pictures
00:45:47.82\00:45:51.20
that we have
pictures of the students
00:45:51.23\00:45:53.64
that we have at
our elementary school
00:45:53.67\00:45:54.98
that we just
started K through 8 really.
00:45:55.01\00:45:57.34
And this is Zak. He's
got a special testimony.
00:45:57.37\00:46:01.26
He's a third grader and he...
00:46:01.29\00:46:05.02
He was
struggling in public school
00:46:06.45\00:46:09.39
and he's struggling to read
00:46:09.42\00:46:13.31
and he was
already in third grade
00:46:13.34\00:46:15.22
and now he's doing much better.
00:46:15.25\00:46:16.88
He is just, he's happy and
we have so many testimonies
00:46:16.91\00:46:21.30
from the kids that
we find at the school.
00:46:21.33\00:46:23.61
You know, we have kids
that were being severely bullied
00:46:23.64\00:46:27.03
and now in a
safe Christian loving
00:46:27.06\00:46:31.78
family oriented
environment because our kids,
00:46:31.81\00:46:34.83
they're like a
family with the teachers.
00:46:34.86\00:46:36.78
So you got a
church and a school?
00:46:36.81\00:46:38.14
Yes. How big is the school?
00:46:38.17\00:46:39.82
We have 12 kids right
now but it's our first year.
00:46:39.85\00:46:43.36
Oh, you're just starting?
00:46:43.39\00:46:44.54
We just started.
00:46:44.57\00:46:45.63
I need to say that
your ministry is fairly new,
00:46:45.66\00:46:48.08
it's fairly young.
00:46:48.11\00:46:49.72
When did Issachar Calling begin?
00:46:49.75\00:46:52.67
Well, officially we
recently filed for 501c3 status.
00:46:52.70\00:46:59.64
But we've been functioning as a,
00:46:59.67\00:47:01.90
I guess as a ministry for
about two and a half years.
00:47:01.93\00:47:04.48
Uh-huh.
00:47:04.51\00:47:06.29
Who's teaching in the
school? Who's the teacher?
00:47:06.32\00:47:08.86
We have two teachers,
00:47:08.89\00:47:09.97
we have Laricia Crabtree
00:47:10.00\00:47:11.62
and we have
Miss Cynthia Johnson.
00:47:11.65\00:47:14.09
Cynthia Risk.
00:47:14.12\00:47:15.15
I'm sorry, Miss Cynthia Risk
00:47:15.18\00:47:17.17
and so Miss Cynthia
Risk came from La Vida
00:47:17.20\00:47:21.01
which is another
mission that's about 70 miles
00:47:21.04\00:47:22.81
from where we are.
00:47:22.84\00:47:23.87
La Vida is where Josh's
mom went to school as a child.
00:47:23.90\00:47:28.81
It's a mission school.
00:47:28.84\00:47:31.92
But either way if we can show
00:47:31.95\00:47:34.09
some of the next
pictures so we can...
00:47:34.12\00:47:35.44
So this is just some
of the kids you can see
00:47:35.47\00:47:37.96
and I'm not sure
what they're doing here,
00:47:37.99\00:47:39.74
they're planting something.
00:47:39.77\00:47:40.80
Planting seedlings.
00:47:40.83\00:47:42.00
Here they are just
playing on a little swing
00:47:42.03\00:47:43.71
that we have on a tree.
00:47:43.74\00:47:45.24
I love this picture
00:47:45.27\00:47:46.31
because we see all
different nationalities here.
00:47:46.34\00:47:48.52
Right.
00:47:48.55\00:47:49.58
We have this girl in the middle,
00:47:49.61\00:47:50.81
she's a Messianic Jew
00:47:50.84\00:47:52.28
whose mom is
married to a Navajo.
00:47:52.31\00:47:54.40
Wow.
00:47:54.43\00:47:55.48
And so that's why they're there.
00:47:55.51\00:47:57.21
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:57.24\00:47:58.29
And here we have the kids that
00:47:58.32\00:48:00.90
we actually picked
the corn that same morning
00:48:00.93\00:48:03.97
from the field of
one of our church members
00:48:04.00\00:48:06.37
and then we went home
and made Kneeldown bread
00:48:06.40\00:48:08.58
to the school really
and then we made kneel--
00:48:08.61\00:48:10.22
The children made
the Kneeldown bread
00:48:10.25\00:48:11.73
I should say and
if you go to those,
00:48:11.76\00:48:12.79
some of the next
pictures, I think it might show.
00:48:12.82\00:48:14.55
Oh, we got to ask.
What is Kneeldown bread?
00:48:14.58\00:48:16.46
You kneel down
while you make it.
00:48:16.49\00:48:18.01
Josh will speak for that word.
00:48:18.04\00:48:20.12
Yeah, Josh,
walk us through that.
00:48:20.15\00:48:21.19
What is that? All right.
00:48:21.22\00:48:22.25
Kneeldown bread is actually
00:48:22.28\00:48:23.86
more of a Navajo
traditional dish.
00:48:23.89\00:48:26.21
Uh-huh.
00:48:26.24\00:48:27.27
You make it by
grinding corn and then you mix,
00:48:27.30\00:48:31.66
you make it into sort of...
00:48:31.69\00:48:33.40
Dough.
00:48:33.43\00:48:34.46
Yeah, sort of a dough
00:48:34.49\00:48:35.78
and then you place
it within the corn,
00:48:35.81\00:48:38.22
the corn husks and then
you bake it in the ground.
00:48:38.25\00:48:41.53
That's almost like
00:48:41.56\00:48:42.60
what my wife's
country would call it tamale,
00:48:42.63\00:48:44.69
you put it back in the--
00:48:44.72\00:48:45.75
Yeah, it's almost like
that. It's actually really good.
00:48:45.78\00:48:48.17
Yeah, it is very
good. It's very good.
00:48:48.20\00:48:50.64
They bake it in the
ground which is cool.
00:48:50.67\00:48:53.49
Yeah, they actually
bake it in the ground.
00:48:53.52\00:48:54.80
Yeah. I like that. Yeah.
00:48:54.83\00:48:56.63
Okay, let's go back to some
of the other pictures, yeah.
00:48:56.66\00:48:57.71
So in the next picture,
00:48:57.74\00:48:58.78
we have here the
kids are planting,
00:48:58.81\00:49:00.45
we have them doing life
skills so here you see them,
00:49:00.48\00:49:03.37
they're planting crops,
00:49:03.40\00:49:04.91
they planted lettuce
and greens and I forgot,
00:49:04.94\00:49:07.57
what else,
tomatoes, we had tomatoes,
00:49:07.60\00:49:10.45
spinach and stuff, you know.
00:49:10.48\00:49:12.96
And then we have--
00:49:12.99\00:49:14.20
You can see some of
the tomato plants there.
00:49:14.23\00:49:15.61
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:49:15.64\00:49:16.98
Shortly after these
pictures were taken our
00:49:17.01\00:49:19.80
gardening season was over.
00:49:19.83\00:49:21.59
So we have to tell the children,
00:49:21.62\00:49:24.38
we're not gonna have
gardening class anymore
00:49:24.41\00:49:27.07
and they were all, what?
00:49:27.10\00:49:28.81
Yeah.
00:49:28.84\00:49:29.88
They love it,
00:49:29.91\00:49:31.22
so we recently were
able to get a greenhouse
00:49:31.25\00:49:34.68
and so we're gonna be able to do
00:49:34.71\00:49:36.65
the gardening
culture year round now.
00:49:36.68\00:49:39.30
Now this is all in Waterford?
00:49:39.33\00:49:40.72
Waterflow. Yeah.
00:49:40.75\00:49:41.83
Waterflow. Yes.
00:49:41.86\00:49:42.89
Like Waterford, like Waterflow.
00:49:42.92\00:49:46.33
All right. Do we
have more pictures?
00:49:46.36\00:49:47.42
Yes, we have a few more.
00:49:47.45\00:49:48.48
So here is one
of the building that
00:49:48.51\00:49:49.89
we're working on it right now,
00:49:49.92\00:49:50.95
it's almost completed
00:49:50.98\00:49:52.64
but this is going
to serve eventually
00:49:52.67\00:49:54.76
as a fellowship/cafeteria.
00:49:54.79\00:49:57.74
We just recently
acquired another building
00:49:57.77\00:49:59.96
with two class rooms.
00:49:59.99\00:50:01.02
We would like to
acquire another building,
00:50:01.05\00:50:02.66
if you go to the
next slide I believe,
00:50:02.69\00:50:05.24
basically it's what it is,
00:50:05.27\00:50:06.30
that was using the
Mesa Unified School District
00:50:06.33\00:50:08.05
down in Phoenix.
00:50:08.08\00:50:09.51
So we are having it transported,
00:50:09.54\00:50:11.53
but we really wanted to
00:50:11.56\00:50:12.82
'cause we need
the classroom space.
00:50:12.85\00:50:14.85
We could only afford
one and even then we--
00:50:14.88\00:50:17.96
There's still so much work to do
00:50:17.99\00:50:19.15
but nevertheless at
least so that the kids
00:50:19.18\00:50:20.93
can have the
permanent classroom,
00:50:20.96\00:50:23.24
because right now
we are renting space
00:50:23.27\00:50:24.43
from a Sunday
church and then eventually
00:50:24.46\00:50:27.18
we would like to even
expand and acquire some property
00:50:27.21\00:50:31.68
where we can, you know,
00:50:31.71\00:50:33.23
farm and stuff like
that on a more large scale.
00:50:33.26\00:50:35.93
We do have a tractor
00:50:35.96\00:50:37.48
I think it's the next picture
and it's not paid off yet,
00:50:37.51\00:50:42.35
we still owe, you
know, some money on it,
00:50:42.38\00:50:44.43
but we use it for a lot
of the things to prepare
00:50:44.46\00:50:47.71
the soil and for
so many other things
00:50:47.74\00:50:51.72
but nevertheless, we do have a--
00:50:51.75\00:50:55.69
We are missing one girl here.
00:50:55.72\00:50:56.78
Oh, yeah.
00:50:56.81\00:50:57.85
This is the group
picture of the school.
00:50:57.88\00:51:00.13
Writing with the
banners on the back.
00:51:00.16\00:51:02.14
The name of the
school is Tse'Bit'Ai,
00:51:02.17\00:51:04.71
Tse and then b-i-t-a-i
00:51:04.74\00:51:07.34
with different
hyphens and stuff on it
00:51:07.37\00:51:09.47
and it means rock
with wings in Navajo.
00:51:09.50\00:51:11.58
Oh, wow.
00:51:11.61\00:51:13.83
So I think that was
our final slide picture.
00:51:13.86\00:51:18.57
We are getting ready
00:51:19.75\00:51:21.18
and I want you
to prepare yourself
00:51:21.21\00:51:22.65
to go our address roll.
00:51:22.68\00:51:24.96
And the reason
I'm saying like this
00:51:24.99\00:51:26.13
because we've seen the needs,
00:51:26.16\00:51:27.61
one they need to pay
off this tractor, amen.
00:51:27.64\00:51:30.58
Two probably
there're couple of shackles,
00:51:30.61\00:51:32.46
to get Josh through school.
00:51:32.49\00:51:34.93
Three they want--
00:51:34.96\00:51:38.12
The building
that you showed us--
00:51:38.15\00:51:39.82
How much ballpark
for that building?
00:51:39.85\00:51:41.94
Well, we acquire that for--
00:51:41.97\00:51:45.25
What was it?
00:51:45.28\00:51:46.31
Basically it comes
out to around 12,000.
00:51:46.34\00:51:48.26
12,000. Okay.
00:51:48.29\00:51:49.32
And you want another,
00:51:49.35\00:51:50.41
not just want
another, need another.
00:51:50.44\00:51:51.87
We need another. It's okay.
00:51:51.90\00:51:52.93
So you need, we need 24,000
for a couple of buildings.
00:51:52.96\00:51:56.96
This is a new
ministry that God has birth
00:51:56.99\00:52:00.26
in the heart of Moses
and Anna and Josh also.
00:52:00.29\00:52:05.64
And it's a ministry to a group
that wouldn't necessarily be
00:52:05.67\00:52:10.37
ministered to except the
Lord put the burden on them.
00:52:10.40\00:52:14.10
You've got a
large group of people
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right here in the United States.
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So if you looking
for missionary work,
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you don't have to get on a plane
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and fly to India or
Africa or South East Asia,
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you got a
mission field right here
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and you'll forgive my
pejorative of English,
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it ain't a small one,
it's a big missionary,
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that needs a lot of work
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that is responding to the gospel
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and we need to help them.
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Should you like to be a
part of the Issachar Calling
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to support what they are doing,
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here's the information
that you're gonna need.
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If you'd like to know
more about this ministry
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or how you can support it,
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then you can write
to The Issachar Calling,
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P.O. Box 196,
Waterflow, New Mexico 87421.
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That's The Issachar Calling,
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P.O. Box 196,
Waterflow, New Mexico 87421.
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You can call 520-250-4140.
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That's 520-250-4140.
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Or you can visit them online
at theIssacharCalling.org.
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That's theIssacharCalling.org.
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Contact them today.
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They would love
to hear from you.
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