I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends,
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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Thank you so much for tuning in.
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Thank you for taken the
time to pause in your day
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and join your 3ABN family.
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But if you're joining
us for the very first time,
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lock in this
channel because we believe
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that the Lord
always has a message
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that's pertinent and relevant,
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and as we've been
convicted getting everyone ready
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for the coming of the Lord.
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Today our program is
about transformation renewal,
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starting all over
again, hope, revival,
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all those words
can fit into the topic
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of our discussion today
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and we have a
wonderful panel of guests today.
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And I have to my right somebody
that's co-hosting with me.
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Good to have you
here, Chuck. Thank you.
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Now, Chuck Hagel, am
I saying that correctly?
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Hagele. Hagele.
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Almost sounds like
the defense secretary
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of the United States.
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You know that's
funny that you said that
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because I get twitter for
him and it's usually not kind.
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And it takes me
a minute to realize
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that's not me
they're talking to.
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Okay. Okay.
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Well, good to
have you here today.
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It's great to be here.
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Now, he is my co-host today
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for a program that
features Project Patch.
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And you'll find out what
that is in just a few moments.
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But it's good to have you
here. You've been here before.
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And as I said
before the program began,
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you just got up
ready to co-host.
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Oh, this is exciting.
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So you're in the hot seat
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so, people are
gonna be listening to you.
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You know, we always begin
our program with music today,
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and we've have a young man
by the name of Johan E. Sentana
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and he's gonna
be playing a song,
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'Tis So Sweet
To Trust In Jesus'.
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Thank you so much
for that wonderful song.
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I think it sets the stage
wonderfully for our program,
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'What is it mean
to trust in Jesus'.
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And we have our guest today
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that I'd like to
introduce you to at this time.
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I'll begin to my
immediate right even though
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I've somewhat
introduced him earlier.
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Let me just go
and have him tell you
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who he is and what he does
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and where are
you from right now?
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Well, I'm from
Vancouver, Washington.
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Okay. My name is Chuck.
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I'm the executive
director of Project Patch.
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And what that means is I do
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what all the rest of
our staff don't want to do,
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so I'm the person that has to do
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some of the
detailing that are involved,
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rest of our
team is really active
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helping families, helping kids,
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helping transform churches
to be more helpful for kids.
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Okay it's good to
have you here today.
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It's great to be here.
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Since you're so close,
I'll shake your hand again.
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I like it.
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Tell us, starting
with you, who you are?
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Where are you from?
And what you right now?
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So good to have you by the
way. Well, thank you, John.
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My name is Dick
Bullock, and I'm pastor
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of the Vassar and Port Sanilac
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Seventh-day
Adventist Churches in Michigan.
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Okay.
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And I'm here
because we're family
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that had been greatly blessed
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by the ministry
of Project Patch.
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Okay.
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And to your
immediate right, young lady,
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tell me your name
and where are you from?
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My name is Hannah
and I live in Michigan.
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I'm a student at Southern
Adventist University right now.
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And I'm a nursing major.
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Okay, well, good
to have you here.
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You have a reprieve from
that very cold Michigan weather.
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That's a good
choice being in southern.
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Yes.
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Okay, and to your far right,
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tell me your name
and where are you from?
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My name is Donna Bullock
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and I'm the
proud mother of Hannah.
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Okay.
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And right now
I'm staying at home,
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basically being a pastor's wife
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and enjoying doing
some healthy ministry.
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Okay, so you're
domestic engineer.
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Yes.
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You know, they have
these use new terms nowadays.
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I've heard
environmental technician,
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you know, people
that collect garbage,
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but that's a job
that is a 24 hour day.
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You know, pastor,
you've heard the phrase,
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"A man may work from sun to sun
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but woman's work is never done."
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So thank you for
being in that spot
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to hold things
together while your pastor
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is shepherding the flocks.
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Now, before we get to the story
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that the Bullock family
is going to share today.
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Walk us through a
little bit about Project Patch.
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I think our
viewers and listeners
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would like to know what that is.
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Well, Project Patch
started 30 years ago which 1984.
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Imagine what it was
like in 1984, pre internet,
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pre all these
things that are happening,
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but at that point
there are kids out there
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that parents didn't
know what to do with.
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And kids started
to get in trouble,
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kids who were active
in that party lifestyle.
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And so parents were
bringing kids to Tom Sanford,
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the founder of Project Patch.
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He wasn't sure what to do.
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He was looking for some
sort of resource to send him to.
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Ironically he was
using yellow pages
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and row index at that point.
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What can we do with all these
kids that are coming to us?
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Thirty years later
what we found is that
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the problems that
families are encountering,
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the challenges
that kids are facing
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are even, are even bigger.
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And so Project
Patch started with Tom
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not knowing what to do with it,
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turned into a youth
ranch for troubled kids.
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Now, it's a family program
what we have in Goldendale,
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and what we're
attempting to do is to,
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in this world the families
and kids being pulled apart.
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We're trying to
share God's hope.
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Okay, Goldendale is where?
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Goldendale, Washington,
center of Washington.
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We've 500 acres,
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it's a resort
for family therapy.
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Wow! 500 acres?
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So are there any hills
there, I'm just assuming.
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It's one of the most
amazing pieces of property.
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There is a 70 foot waterfall.
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Canyon that goes
through the property.
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What amazes me is
that, I want to share this--
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this concept that God started
Patch on a seeming problem.
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Okay.
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But He has filled
it with abundance.
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I mean our youth
ranches are 170 beautiful acres
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in the mountains of Idaho.
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Our family programs
is really a special place
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that He has provided.
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You know, and the
story that we have
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is that has been terrifying
to work with families for years
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because the problems are so big.
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You know, for kids like Hannah,
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they're going to
get a chance to meet.
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Life is hard. Okay.
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You know, but the realities
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in all this
difficulty God has provided
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in abundant ways to
helps kids and families
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and so we've been
privileged to be a part of that.
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Now, I remember having a
program with you in the past.
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But between
that program and now,
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you had an opportunity to
go on national television.
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Tell us little bit about that?
Was it about the same topic?
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Yeah, that was a crazy situation
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in which we've
been praying for a child
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to get into our program.
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And there were some
legal things happening
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with mom and dad
that they're separated,
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you know, and custodial things
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and we didn't know what to do
and ironically we were saying,
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get a lawyer, get a
lawyer and we were praying.
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What happened was that
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we got a call
from Dr. Phil Show.
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Wow!
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And saying if this
mom agrees on the Show
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to send her kid to
Patch, would you still take her?
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And we said, yes.
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And so it's amazing, I
mean to look at the situation
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and say, you know, God can use
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a secular media to
accomplish His will.
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You know, we are
expecting attorneys
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and all these things
but God is at work in a way
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that we've never
would have thought possible
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and the neat thing about that
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is that the church
treated her with respect.
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God heard to the youth ranches
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and she's been
doing fantastically.
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Her life
redeemed even though that
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they're doing it
for their profit.
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We're so grateful that it
worked out the way it did.
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That's wonderful.
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You know, I want to dive into
the story of the Bullock family
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and Donna,
Hannah, and Dick Bullock,
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Pastor Bullock here.
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Take me first-- I want
to lay a little foundation
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because being a pastor,
I'm a pastor, I would say,
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you're in a little
different setting than I am
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because I don't
have any children.
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When my wife and I travel,
you know, married 31 years
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and they say, well how
many children do you have?
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I said I don't have
children, I have sheep.
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But you have sheep and children.
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That's right.
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And so, that's quite a little
extra added challenge there.
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Take us to-- introduce
to us the Bullock family.
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A day in the life
of the Bullock family.
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I mean, how long have
you been the pastor now?
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Thirty years. Okay.
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Going on 30 years here. Okay.
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Basically, a little
bit of our background,
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I grew up out in the
country, I mean way out.
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Our closest neighbor was 6 miles
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for 10 years of my life.
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That's up in Michigan?
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No, that was actually in Kansas.
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Oh! Wow!
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My father worked
as account manager
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for managing
different church youth camps.
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So I had this
ideal setting to grow up.
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You know, we
didn't own a whole lot,
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but we had lakes and horses
and boats and a lot of work.
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You know what I mean,
cleaning cabins, doing dishes,
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pots and pens,
that type of thing.
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And so I really
appreciated the country.
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And I always wanted to
be able to raise my children
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in a country setting
and as they were older.
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For Hannah, most of her years
from the time, what you were?
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Year and a half I think it was,
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we accepted a call to
pastor a church in Utah,
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Salt Lake City area.
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And the Lord opened the
way for us to rent a house
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out there at the end of a
dead end canyon 75 acres..
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I grew up on horses.
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Wanted to share
that with my kids.
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And that was the
opportunity we had.
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We would buy a horse
that was green broke and I--
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my girls and I would train it.
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And we just had ideal setting,
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ride a mile down
the road either way
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and you can hit
trails up in the mountains
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and ride all day long.
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It was just a--
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and we were there for 10 years.
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It was a blessed time
to raise our children,
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we home schooled.
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So our family
was, you know, we were
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in kind of a sheltered
background in the sense that
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we were out in the
country and home schooled
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and there wasn't a
lot of the influence
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of the cities and that thing.
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We never had
television in our home.
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And yet the enemy still
works to get our young people.
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And when we
accepted a call to pastor
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a couple of
churches in Michigan,
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that was a hard time
for Hannah, our other two,
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Hannah's next
older sister is 6 years
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and our first child
has 10 years differencing.
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So she was-- the
others were off to college
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and she was kind of alone.
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She was my playmate in the sense
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that we did a lot
of riding together
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and had a lot of fun on
horses but and other things,
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but the move from
where she had grown up
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was a tough
move for her and we--
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And where was that she grew up
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from where you
moved before Utah?
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Well, she was
actually born in Arkansas.
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But we moved to Utah
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when she was just a
year, year and a half.
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So we were there 10 years,
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she was 11 when
we moved to Michigan.
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And the setting wasn't the same,
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didn't have all the
horses that we'd have in.
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And, you know, you
are busy with church,
00:17:17.88\00:17:20.83
though family has
always been an important
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consideration for me.
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The devil was able to come
in and create some issues there,
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some of them that we
didn't know about until,
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you know, things
started surfacing.
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And that's how we
started looking for help.
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What do we do?
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Okay, I want to just kind
of un-package that a little bit
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because the surrounding
one and a half years old,
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moved to Utah, then from Utah
at about 11 you go to Michigan.
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Were you more in the
city compared to Utah?
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You compare to-- yeah,
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it was not a
large city, small town
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and we did find a little
farm house out in the country
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and was able to
bring one horse with us.
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We had seven,
eight of them in Utah,
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but just the change of
the environment, new church,
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that's an age where young people
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are beginning to
find themselves, you know.
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Taking their roots down.
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And so to shift that,
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the friends aren't
there that they've known.
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A lot of these different changes
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and as pastors we get
moved once in a while,
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so you can't always just,
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you know, I don't
know what it is to grow up
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in one community and
live there all my life.
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I've traveled quite
a few different places,
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but this was
her first major move
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or the first one
that she remembers.
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What was it like?
00:18:52.19\00:18:53.71
Let me ask you Hannah,
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what was it
like that transition,
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I mean here you are
kind of getting used to Utah
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if I can use that phrase
or that word getting used to.
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Tell us in your experience.
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What did you feel in
the change of environment
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in a different move?
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It wasn't
difficult 'cause I left
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somewhat like my best friends
00:19:12.40\00:19:14.09
and as I was
getting older in Utah,
00:19:14.12\00:19:17.52
like I got closer to my friends,
00:19:17.55\00:19:19.50
so it was harder leaving,
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didn't know anybody in Michigan.
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There weren't
really people there
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that were around my
age, so it was lonely.
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I just, I didn't
really know where I've to end
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and how to deal with
being lonely and stuff so.
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Donna, anything you
want to add to that.
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Because being the pastor's wife,
00:19:37.45\00:19:38.86
you are the home
economics teacher,
00:19:38.89\00:19:40.67
you are the home schooler,
you kind of so many hats
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depending on what
time of the day it is.
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What was it like
for you growing up
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maybe in Utah and the transition
00:19:48.11\00:19:50.19
from your perspective?
00:19:50.22\00:19:53.47
Well, the transition to Michigan
00:19:53.50\00:19:55.09
was not too difficult for me,
but I did realize that it was,
00:19:55.12\00:19:59.29
would be more
difficult for Hannah.
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I'm really glad that
we didn't dialog more
00:20:04.28\00:20:06.99
to find out really
where Hannah was coming from
00:20:07.02\00:20:09.79
and be able to talk about
00:20:09.82\00:20:11.75
some of the
feelings that she had.
00:20:11.78\00:20:17.13
And I tended to perhaps
get too busy into things,
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even though we
were home schooling.
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I was involved
in health ministry
00:20:24.78\00:20:27.05
and gone some of the time.
00:20:27.08\00:20:32.28
You know, it's easy for
you to blame yourself though,
00:20:32.31\00:20:37.50
but when we began
to run into difficulty.
00:20:37.53\00:20:41.50
It was just difficult
to know where to turn.
00:20:46.76\00:20:50.51
Hannah, do you want to
unpack some of these for us
00:20:50.54\00:20:52.57
because your dad being a pastor,
00:20:52.60\00:20:55.85
your mom, the home schooler,
00:20:55.88\00:20:57.06
your teacher, the
lady that primarily
00:20:57.09\00:21:00.23
is influencing most
of your environment.
00:21:00.26\00:21:04.69
You have two sisters that
if I'm following carefully,
00:21:04.72\00:21:07.69
by then they were out of
the house away at school.
00:21:07.72\00:21:10.68
Take us into your
world to help us understand
00:21:10.71\00:21:13.92
where the disconnect came in?
00:21:13.95\00:21:16.70
For me growing up, I
guess like bitterness
00:21:16.73\00:21:22.04
and anger I'd been kind
of building up for a while.
00:21:22.07\00:21:26.39
My dad, he doesn't mean to,
00:21:26.42\00:21:28.28
but he has a very strong opinion
00:21:28.31\00:21:29.69
and it can come at cost
harshly what I've been doing.
00:21:29.72\00:21:33.54
And so for me there is--
00:21:33.57\00:21:35.78
I did not really
speak up against it.
00:21:35.81\00:21:38.14
I didn't feel
like I would be hurt,
00:21:38.17\00:21:41.17
so I kind of just stuffed it,
00:21:41.20\00:21:42.99
so then move on
top of like the anger,
00:21:43.02\00:21:46.09
frustration building up like,
I didn't really like to open up
00:21:46.12\00:21:51.44
or talk to very many
people especially my parents,
00:21:51.47\00:21:54.26
because I didn't
feel like I would be
00:21:54.29\00:21:56.11
listened to or heard very much.
00:21:56.14\00:21:58.18
So I kind of was
more passive aggressive
00:21:58.21\00:22:01.47
and it came to a
point where I just decided
00:22:01.50\00:22:03.43
I wanted to do my
own thing and God--
00:22:03.46\00:22:07.14
I kind of saw
God as I did my dad
00:22:07.17\00:22:09.13
and so I was like I
don't want any part of that,
00:22:09.16\00:22:11.70
I just want to do my own thing
and so I started acting out
00:22:11.73\00:22:16.53
not necessarily being
disrespectful to their to face
00:22:16.56\00:22:20.10
or I would do what
they asked me to do at home
00:22:20.13\00:22:22.82
but in other ways
like I would sneak out
00:22:22.85\00:22:24.91
or do like meet up with friends
00:22:24.94\00:22:28.40
that they didn't
want me to be around,
00:22:28.43\00:22:29.78
there are things like that, so.
00:22:29.81\00:22:32.29
So I mean, let me put
00:22:32.32\00:22:34.47
the positive spin on this first.
00:22:34.50\00:22:36.17
So they didn't really know
00:22:36.20\00:22:38.15
because you were kind
of maintaining at home,
00:22:38.18\00:22:40.57
just let me keep my--
let me keep my family gods up
00:22:40.60\00:22:44.56
so they won't feel that
there's something going wrong,
00:22:44.59\00:22:47.49
but I can't wait
to get out of here.
00:22:47.52\00:22:49.20
Yeah.
00:22:49.23\00:22:51.71
And let me ask, either one
of you could respond to this.
00:22:51.74\00:22:54.70
When did you sense that?
00:22:54.73\00:22:56.94
When did you feel
because, you know,
00:22:56.97\00:22:59.23
you're the spiritual
leader of the family,
00:22:59.26\00:23:00.59
you're the pastor,
you have the antenna going
00:23:00.62\00:23:04.95
and at least
probably thinking that
00:23:04.98\00:23:07.79
you have it all figured out.
00:23:07.82\00:23:09.78
At what point it
all set a dawn on you?
00:23:09.81\00:23:12.36
Mom or dad could
respond on this that
00:23:12.39\00:23:14.64
there's something
different about Hannah.
00:23:14.67\00:23:19.51
My wife is more intuitive
to some of those feelings.
00:23:19.54\00:23:23.51
I was kind of
raised in the idea that
00:23:30.49\00:23:32.74
you know, you
have as you mentioned
00:23:32.77\00:23:34.66
back in '84 life
was a little different.
00:23:34.69\00:23:38.10
You may have differences,
00:23:38.13\00:23:39.42
you just live with
it and you get over it
00:23:39.45\00:23:42.04
and that type of thing in there.
00:23:42.07\00:23:43.71
We didn't have
as many distractions
00:23:43.74\00:23:46.57
as there are today.
00:23:46.60\00:23:49.19
And so I was concerned,
00:23:49.22\00:23:51.73
I could sense that Hannah
was struggling with some things
00:23:51.76\00:23:56.44
but to get her to open up
00:23:56.47\00:23:58.83
and talk about
them was difficult
00:23:58.86\00:24:02.13
and so you know,
I prayed about it,
00:24:02.16\00:24:05.28
I prayed for her,
I prayed for wisdom.
00:24:05.31\00:24:08.99
But I didn't grow
up in an environment
00:24:09.02\00:24:12.06
where we questioned much.
00:24:12.09\00:24:14.04
You know, this
is the way life is.
00:24:14.07\00:24:16.93
Right.
00:24:16.96\00:24:18.14
And so I was not in tune
to that level of questioning.
00:24:18.17\00:24:24.91
So my wife would probably
be able to give you more of
00:24:24.94\00:24:29.49
when she started recognizing
00:24:29.52\00:24:31.04
and for me it had
to be more obvious
00:24:31.07\00:24:34.22
when as she said
would start sneaking out
00:24:34.25\00:24:38.72
when the issues came in,
00:24:38.75\00:24:42.37
when we got
calls from the police
00:24:42.40\00:24:45.76
or they came to visit our house
00:24:45.79\00:24:48.27
because of
different things that's--
00:24:48.30\00:24:50.26
that's when I'm
thinking, we've got a problem,
00:24:50.29\00:24:52.82
where did this come from?
00:24:52.85\00:24:54.67
I want to get there
eventually but now mom tell me.
00:24:54.70\00:24:58.13
Let me call you
Donna rather than mom,
00:24:58.16\00:25:00.46
that's what I can call you.
00:25:00.49\00:25:02.46
But tell me when
did you start noticing?
00:25:02.49\00:25:06.25
You know, Hannah had
always been rather quiet
00:25:06.28\00:25:11.21
and so I didn't.
00:25:11.24\00:25:16.12
You know, I maybe
didn't pick up on it
00:25:16.15\00:25:18.10
as soon as I should have either.
00:25:18.13\00:25:22.76
Hannah had the opportunity
to work at a horse barn.
00:25:22.79\00:25:26.37
And they are not too
far from where we were
00:25:26.40\00:25:29.03
and there was an older guy there
00:25:29.06\00:25:34.84
that I did see there
was some sparks between them
00:25:34.87\00:25:38.28
and I became very
concerned about that.
00:25:38.31\00:25:41.11
It was not a good
situation. And so...
00:25:41.14\00:25:47.49
That's when I really
started to become concerned
00:25:47.52\00:25:52.78
and wondered at
times when she would go out
00:25:52.81\00:25:56.13
and ride her
horse just where she was
00:25:56.16\00:25:59.28
and there was just more of a--
00:25:59.31\00:26:04.68
She began pulling
back from us more and more.
00:26:04.71\00:26:08.52
Now, what age did you say
you were around at the time.
00:26:08.55\00:26:10.36
Because I know following
the chronological page here,
00:26:10.39\00:26:13.60
you're on 12 or so when
the move happened to Michigan.
00:26:13.63\00:26:17.93
I was 12 when we moved
00:26:17.96\00:26:19.73
and so I was
probably 13, almost 14.
00:26:19.76\00:26:24.64
Okay.
00:26:24.67\00:26:25.97
And let me ask you,
00:26:26.00\00:26:27.41
how did you--
because when you start--
00:26:27.44\00:26:31.74
when you have to live two lives,
00:26:31.77\00:26:33.32
one to keep your
parents in the dark
00:26:33.35\00:26:35.37
and the other
one to keep yourself
00:26:35.40\00:26:37.35
going on the other page.
00:26:37.38\00:26:39.57
How did you feel, you know,
00:26:39.60\00:26:41.62
because you have to
switch these personalities
00:26:41.65\00:26:43.26
when you're, yes mom, yes dad.
00:26:43.29\00:26:48.18
And you can't wait, you're like,
00:26:48.21\00:26:49.53
hmm, need to get out of here.
00:26:49.56\00:26:51.24
Help us to understand
that because lot of times,
00:26:51.27\00:26:53.88
you know, people
listening and watching
00:26:53.91\00:26:55.05
this program might say,
00:26:55.08\00:26:56.71
I wonder if I kids are
going through that too,
00:26:56.74\00:26:58.13
I wonder if I my
daughter or my son.
00:26:58.16\00:27:00.36
Help us
understand some of the signs
00:27:00.39\00:27:02.01
because having been
there and being recovered
00:27:02.04\00:27:06.52
from that as we gonna talk
about in just a moment here.
00:27:06.55\00:27:09.40
Help us to kind of
come to grips with that?
00:27:09.43\00:27:11.98
Maybe some of the
identifying factors?
00:27:12.01\00:27:16.07
For me it was kind of easy too
because I was naturally quiet.
00:27:16.10\00:27:19.71
Okay.
00:27:19.74\00:27:20.81
And my dad like he said,
00:27:20.84\00:27:23.18
he never really
grew up in a family
00:27:23.21\00:27:25.20
that questioned very much.
00:27:25.23\00:27:26.49
So I knew I wasn't going
to be questioned very much
00:27:26.52\00:27:29.21
and I was good at
giving short brief answers
00:27:29.24\00:27:32.66
that were to the
point and I didn't--
00:27:32.69\00:27:36.63
I kept this wall up that
00:27:36.66\00:27:39.35
you can come this
far and no further
00:27:39.38\00:27:41.95
and I guess I'm not
really sure how to answer
00:27:41.98\00:27:46.48
that for different personalities
00:27:46.51\00:27:49.12
but like my mom
said just watching like
00:27:49.15\00:27:52.64
people pull back more, I
started pulling back more.
00:27:52.67\00:27:53.94
So I don't know what's that.
00:27:53.97\00:27:59.03
Okay, well, let's talk
about this family worship thing
00:27:59.06\00:28:01.46
because being in a home
00:28:01.49\00:28:02.85
where your
family worship and all,
00:28:02.88\00:28:04.37
did you noticed any
reticence there or kind of?
00:28:04.40\00:28:08.22
You know, Hannah, one thing
00:28:08.25\00:28:11.92
that I've always
tried to be careful
00:28:11.95\00:28:13.89
of is not to base my
public perception on my family.
00:28:13.92\00:28:17.89
I mean, I'm the pastor
00:28:26.20\00:28:27.24
and they're
already pastor's kids,
00:28:27.27\00:28:29.34
PK's have enough
pressure already,
00:28:29.37\00:28:31.32
but I didn't
want to add to that.
00:28:31.35\00:28:35.59
And I think we've
to be very careful.
00:28:35.62\00:28:37.46
Sometimes parents try to
live their lives in their kids.
00:28:37.49\00:28:41.29
And I didn't want that,
00:28:41.32\00:28:42.89
I knew there was some
standards that God has set
00:28:42.92\00:28:46.39
and I wanted
them to walk in that.
00:28:46.42\00:28:48.01
But I remember
Hannah had made a commitment
00:28:48.04\00:28:53.85
to walk with Jesus
early and it was a precious,
00:28:53.88\00:28:58.21
precious commitment.
00:28:58.24\00:29:01.58
Just warmed our
hearts as would any parent
00:29:01.61\00:29:05.50
and as I saw
some of this change,
00:29:05.53\00:29:08.31
you know, I just figured,
00:29:08.34\00:29:09.55
well, it's coming
into making it her own
00:29:09.58\00:29:13.33
which was to a large
part but to grow up in Christ
00:29:13.36\00:29:17.69
and we didn't have
a lot of in our home
00:29:17.72\00:29:21.17
because of the
environment of our home.
00:29:21.20\00:29:23.43
We didn't have a
lot of the outlets
00:29:23.46\00:29:27.66
that many kids would have.
00:29:27.69\00:29:29.27
You know we
didn't have television on
00:29:29.30\00:29:30.80
so it's not like we had to watch
00:29:30.83\00:29:32.13
what they were watching on TV.
00:29:32.16\00:29:34.28
We had one computer
and that was in the house
00:29:34.31\00:29:38.18
in a public place
00:29:38.21\00:29:39.43
and so you didn't
have to worry about that,
00:29:39.46\00:29:42.50
didn't believe in cell phones,
so there were no cell phones
00:29:42.53\00:29:46.03
for the kids and mom and myself,
00:29:46.06\00:29:48.15
you know, to do that I mean--
00:29:48.18\00:29:53.74
My wife is at home,
00:29:53.77\00:29:55.10
stay at home mom
all our married life
00:29:55.13\00:29:58.86
and so rarely were
the kids left alone.
00:29:58.89\00:30:02.94
Right.
00:30:02.97\00:30:04.11
And there wasn't
a lot of activities,
00:30:04.14\00:30:06.19
oh, I'm going to run
down and see so and so,
00:30:06.22\00:30:08.84
that as a
protocol, you would tell us
00:30:08.87\00:30:10.49
where you are
going, who you are seeing.
00:30:10.52\00:30:11.71
So there were a
lot of those parameters
00:30:11.74\00:30:15.54
that would I thought
would be helpful in protecting
00:30:15.57\00:30:19.70
from the experience
that we went through.
00:30:19.73\00:30:22.95
And so it took a
while for me to see
00:30:22.98\00:30:26.14
when because of the
front that she had at home,
00:30:26.17\00:30:31.69
it wasn't until things really,
00:30:31.72\00:30:33.96
you know, the horse barn,
00:30:33.99\00:30:35.83
I was concerned,
we'd talk about that,
00:30:35.86\00:30:37.66
I talked with the
owner to set some parameters,
00:30:37.69\00:30:39.92
but, you know, at the
horse barn to keep an eye out.
00:30:39.95\00:30:45.75
But it really didn't
hit me the depth of what
00:30:45.78\00:30:49.34
she was going through until,
00:30:49.37\00:30:53.64
you know, my
wife tells me one day,
00:30:53.67\00:30:55.84
I come home and she says,
00:30:55.87\00:30:56.93
you know, there is
something strange going on.
00:30:56.96\00:30:59.46
Hannah is oiling the doors.
00:30:59.49\00:31:03.10
Well, we had some squeaky doors.
00:31:03.13\00:31:05.57
I think there is more than that
00:31:05.60\00:31:06.67
and I am not one that
likes to be suspicious.
00:31:06.70\00:31:10.05
Right.
00:31:10.08\00:31:11.11
You know, the Bible says,
00:31:11.14\00:31:12.18
"Be sure your sins
will find you out."
00:31:12.21\00:31:13.85
Wait until they are found out,
00:31:13.88\00:31:15.18
that type of thing
before jumping to conclusions.
00:31:15.21\00:31:17.67
You don't want to
become an investigator.
00:31:17.70\00:31:18.99
Right, so I tugged
that away in my mind
00:31:19.02\00:31:21.11
and just watched and waited.
00:31:21.14\00:31:23.68
Well, you know, things developed
00:31:23.71\00:31:25.57
and I saw more
than I wanted to see
00:31:25.60\00:31:29.60
began to take place.
00:31:29.63\00:31:32.48
It was a situation that
00:31:32.51\00:31:36.36
I realized that the Lord was not
00:31:36.39\00:31:39.85
that sweat presence
to her at that point
00:31:39.88\00:31:43.39
and that
concerned me for her sake.
00:31:43.42\00:31:46.73
Right.
00:31:46.76\00:31:48.56
But what can I do, I
don't want to force that.
00:31:48.59\00:31:51.38
You can't force that. Right.
00:31:51.41\00:31:53.60
It was required we had
family worship every morning.
00:31:53.63\00:31:56.54
And you know, she'd participate,
00:31:56.57\00:31:59.33
that wasn't an
option, had to be there,
00:31:59.36\00:32:02.08
but I knew it
wasn't touching her heart.
00:32:02.11\00:32:07.22
So how did that feel, Hannah?
00:32:07.25\00:32:08.28
I mean, here you are,
00:32:08.31\00:32:09.82
I smiled when you
said oiling doors,
00:32:09.85\00:32:13.46
only because that
becomes a part one of the,
00:32:13.49\00:32:18.23
''why she oiling the door."
00:32:18.26\00:32:20.29
And we obviously know,
00:32:20.32\00:32:22.83
I mean, we've all been in that--
00:32:22.86\00:32:25.55
I've never oiled the
doors when I was growing up,
00:32:25.58\00:32:28.02
but to get the
squeakiness out of it,
00:32:28.05\00:32:29.98
is that what I'm
understanding, so?
00:32:30.01\00:32:34.25
That wouldn't be heard
when you want to sneak out.
00:32:34.28\00:32:36.76
You mentioned
something early about
00:32:36.79\00:32:37.96
police coming to the house.
00:32:37.99\00:32:40.91
Was that when the
light really came on?
00:32:40.94\00:32:46.26
That's when I saw
the fruit of the seed
00:32:46.29\00:32:52.08
that had been sown in her heart,
00:32:52.11\00:32:54.99
that bitterness come out.
00:32:55.02\00:32:57.27
I knew it was there,
but I had nothing tangible.
00:32:57.30\00:33:01.54
But the horse, she loves horses,
00:33:01.57\00:33:06.72
she is a good horse rider.
00:33:06.75\00:33:09.01
Wow! You love it I hear that.
00:33:09.04\00:33:14.23
That was the one out that
we were able to bring with us
00:33:14.26\00:33:17.46
from Utah, that connection and,
00:33:17.49\00:33:21.93
you know, we had asked her not
to ride alone with this older,
00:33:21.96\00:33:26.41
he was actually 21, she
was 14 and to be careful,
00:33:26.44\00:33:32.99
you know, there
are typical things.
00:33:33.02\00:33:34.69
Any dad will be concerned.
00:33:34.72\00:33:35.76
But she want to trust
as well as be cautious.
00:33:35.79\00:33:39.66
There's a fine balance there,
00:33:39.69\00:33:42.84
but I guess it came out
when I came home one day
00:33:42.87\00:33:46.57
and my wife told me
that police had been there
00:33:46.60\00:33:51.21
and had confronted Hannah
and Michael was the guy's name.
00:33:51.24\00:33:55.21
And she had not been
honest to the police.
00:34:01.16\00:34:04.82
Where is you
parents? Where do you live?
00:34:04.85\00:34:06.17
You know, and
they're not at home
00:34:06.20\00:34:08.37
and he escorted her to the house
00:34:08.40\00:34:10.52
and my wife was there
and that was the first
00:34:10.55\00:34:15.22
of a number of acquaintances
00:34:15.25\00:34:18.76
we made with the
police department.
00:34:18.79\00:34:20.49
Now, what I want
to transition to now
00:34:20.52\00:34:22.33
because we wanted to get
the Project Patch part of this.
00:34:22.36\00:34:25.46
It's obvious, as a
family you gonna sit down
00:34:25.49\00:34:27.26
and to say have some
conferences so to speak say.
00:34:27.29\00:34:30.24
Hannah, could you help me
understand what's gonna on.
00:34:30.27\00:34:33.85
I mean, really mom
and I are in the dark.
00:34:33.88\00:34:36.65
You've had-- would you say
00:34:36.68\00:34:37.81
you had one or many
of those conferences?
00:34:37.84\00:34:42.77
You know, I don't
remember how many.
00:34:42.80\00:34:45.03
You would
probably remember those
00:34:45.06\00:34:46.98
better than we would Hannah.
00:34:47.01\00:34:49.19
Did you have those
kind of sit down and talk,
00:34:49.22\00:34:52.24
well, let's talk.
00:34:52.27\00:34:54.24
I wouldn't really talk
00:34:54.27\00:34:55.97
and if I did I
would usually lie about it
00:34:56.00\00:34:58.40
and keep it short
and to the point, so.
00:34:58.43\00:35:02.24
At what point did you feel,
00:35:02.27\00:35:03.30
okay, we've
done all that we can,
00:35:03.33\00:35:05.40
we need to get help.
00:35:05.43\00:35:06.91
And on that note,
00:35:06.94\00:35:08.87
how did you even find
out about Project Patch?
00:35:08.90\00:35:12.87
There was a
particular situation where...
00:35:17.68\00:35:22.84
Well, you know
several police incidents
00:35:22.87\00:35:26.84
and really the
police could not help us.
00:35:29.29\00:35:33.40
Right.
00:35:33.43\00:35:34.77
Too much in the situation
00:35:34.80\00:35:39.53
and so at one
point our oldest daughter
00:35:39.56\00:35:42.71
mentioned to us
about Project Patch.
00:35:42.74\00:35:45.17
Her husband had a
sister who is helped
00:35:45.20\00:35:48.47
by going through Project Patch.
00:35:48.50\00:35:51.03
And, you know, you
never want to think
00:35:51.06\00:35:52.94
that you need to send your kids
00:35:52.97\00:35:54.35
away to some place, you know it.
00:35:54.38\00:35:56.33
It just kind of-- I
thought about it a little bit
00:35:56.36\00:36:00.68
but then as things
continued to get out of hand,
00:36:00.71\00:36:05.95
I just, I went online
and I read the whole website
00:36:05.98\00:36:09.65
and I just became
excited to think that perhaps
00:36:09.68\00:36:13.62
there is a place that
we could protect Hannah.
00:36:13.65\00:36:18.46
Yes, there was a situation
00:36:18.49\00:36:19.65
where as Hannah
was being rebellious,
00:36:19.68\00:36:22.13
but she was also
being manipulated big time.
00:36:22.16\00:36:25.89
And we just needed
to place her some place
00:36:25.92\00:36:30.13
where she could be protected.
00:36:30.16\00:36:32.76
I really didn't think that
00:36:32.79\00:36:34.46
my husband would think
that we needed to at that point.
00:36:34.49\00:36:39.70
But then another situation came
where we were just both ready,
00:36:39.73\00:36:43.24
okay, you know,
let's check into this.
00:36:43.27\00:36:47.00
Okay.
00:36:47.03\00:36:49.88
You say how may of
those talks we had,
00:36:49.91\00:36:51.67
I think after that
first time with the police.
00:36:51.70\00:36:56.86
Maybe I am wrong in this.
00:36:56.89\00:36:59.33
Hannah, you could correct it,
but it seemed to me that okay,
00:36:59.36\00:37:04.74
my façade is blown, it's war.
00:37:04.77\00:37:07.78
Okay.
00:37:07.81\00:37:09.06
And I'm going to
be respectful at home,
00:37:09.09\00:37:11.81
do my chores what not,
00:37:11.84\00:37:13.91
but I'm going to take advantage
of any opportunity to get out.
00:37:13.94\00:37:18.08
And so at that point
00:37:18.11\00:37:19.99
and things
unfolded over about a year,
00:37:20.02\00:37:23.23
maybe a year and a half,
00:37:23.26\00:37:25.26
but we decided to send,
00:37:25.29\00:37:30.70
let her go to boarding
school, high school years
00:37:30.73\00:37:35.87
to one of our church schools.
00:37:35.90\00:37:37.99
The other kids we had home
schooled through high school
00:37:38.02\00:37:41.21
and then they
went off to college,
00:37:41.24\00:37:42.57
but even there the
contacts with this fellow
00:37:42.60\00:37:46.05
we were hoping that
would put some distance
00:37:46.08\00:37:48.21
and cut the
contact but it didn't.
00:37:48.24\00:37:50.54
And so then when
she'd come home on breaks,
00:37:50.57\00:37:53.06
there would be more
sneaking out, more incidents,
00:37:53.09\00:37:56.96
and it just
finally came to our head
00:37:56.99\00:37:58.90
where that wasn't working that
the school wasn't a safe place.
00:37:58.93\00:38:04.24
And I felt we'd lost control
00:38:04.27\00:38:08.63
and didn't know what else to do.
00:38:08.66\00:38:09.77
So we started looking around,
there were several places,
00:38:09.80\00:38:12.73
there is a place
called Advent Home,
00:38:12.76\00:38:15.56
Miracle Meadows,
00:38:15.59\00:38:16.72
they have both
closed their doors now
00:38:16.75\00:38:19.56
but then we
heard of Project Patch
00:38:19.59\00:38:21.98
and as we just
compared some of mine,
00:38:22.01\00:38:24.68
I thought this
is our only option.
00:38:24.71\00:38:27.14
It's not an easy
decision for parents to come to.
00:38:27.17\00:38:30.62
Right.
00:38:30.65\00:38:32.21
Especially if you are
pastor and you're right,
00:38:32.24\00:38:36.56
that whole
scenario the expectations
00:38:36.59\00:38:41.58
and but we called and
the Lord opened the door.
00:38:41.61\00:38:46.50
We didn't even tell Hannah.
00:38:46.53\00:38:49.31
She came home
for Christmas break,
00:38:49.34\00:38:51.73
and I said, well,
you are not going back
00:38:51.76\00:38:53.68
to the school she was at.
00:38:53.71\00:38:56.31
Where are we going?
00:38:56.34\00:38:57.39
Well, we are looking
00:38:57.42\00:39:00.51
and then when the
message came through that
00:39:00.54\00:39:02.54
she was accept
would school out west.
00:39:02.57\00:39:04.98
I mean, we didn't
even want to tell her
00:39:05.01\00:39:07.42
because the battle line
was so drawn in our view
00:39:07.45\00:39:13.55
whether it was a
correct view or not.
00:39:13.58\00:39:15.64
In our view we were
afraid she'd run off
00:39:15.67\00:39:18.49
because she had been
00:39:18.52\00:39:20.19
saying things like
that in her journal
00:39:20.22\00:39:23.08
and you know I am
the one that likes
00:39:23.11\00:39:27.32
to keep a pulse on that
kids are doing as a parents,
00:39:27.35\00:39:29.76
I think that's what
parents if we didn't have email,
00:39:29.79\00:39:32.80
I mean we did have the computer
and she had an email account
00:39:32.83\00:39:35.27
but it was a sub account of mine
00:39:35.30\00:39:37.12
and so I could check that.
00:39:37.15\00:39:39.73
But Facebook and
all that other stuff.
00:39:39.76\00:39:41.94
Right, which is
out of your room.
00:39:41.97\00:39:43.01
Still doesn't exist in our home.
00:39:43.04\00:39:47.24
So I thought I was
watching pretty closely,
00:39:47.27\00:39:49.80
but then as I read the diary
and seeing what's going on,
00:39:49.83\00:39:55.76
we knew we had to go somewhere.
00:39:55.79\00:39:57.79
They accepted it her to come in,
00:39:57.82\00:40:00.39
I think we told her
00:40:00.42\00:40:01.79
after we were
several hours on the road,
00:40:01.82\00:40:04.18
where she was going and
what the situation would be
00:40:04.21\00:40:06.17
because there is no
getting out of the car
00:40:06.20\00:40:08.80
while you're
traveling down the freeway.
00:40:08.83\00:40:10.38
I can't ask you quickly enough,
Hannah, what was it like.
00:40:10.41\00:40:13.38
I mean, really you had to take
yourself back to that moment.
00:40:13.41\00:40:15.54
Here you are, you're in a car,
00:40:15.57\00:40:16.68
you don't know
where you're going
00:40:16.71\00:40:18.50
and they revealed,
your parents revealed
00:40:18.53\00:40:20.98
to you where you're headed.
00:40:21.01\00:40:22.47
And you were
driving from Michigan?
00:40:22.50\00:40:24.21
Michigan to Idaho. To Idaho?
00:40:24.24\00:40:26.14
What was it like for you?
00:40:26.17\00:40:28.76
I was just even though I
didn't really want to go,
00:40:28.79\00:40:32.52
I was glad I wasn't
going to be at home.
00:40:32.55\00:40:34.48
Okay. All right.
00:40:34.51\00:40:36.48
Because I just-- I
needed to just be away.
00:40:36.51\00:40:40.02
I needed to be gone.
00:40:40.05\00:40:41.48
So even though
it may not have been
00:40:41.51\00:40:44.06
where I wanted to go,
it was somewhere away.
00:40:44.09\00:40:46.86
So maybe in some
regards, in my mind
00:40:46.89\00:40:50.31
I was thinking I still
won because I'm going away.
00:40:50.34\00:40:53.60
Okay.
00:40:53.63\00:40:54.73
Long as I'm
around here so to speak.
00:40:54.76\00:40:58.08
Where you there
when Hannah came?
00:40:58.11\00:40:59.58
No, I wasn't.
00:40:59.61\00:41:01.02
But what amazes me
of her story is that
00:41:01.05\00:41:05.08
kids end up at our program
00:41:05.11\00:41:06.94
from all sorts
of different homes,
00:41:06.97\00:41:08.27
pastor's homes,
from kids from neglect,
00:41:08.30\00:41:10.95
kids from abuse, every
single story is different.
00:41:10.98\00:41:14.19
But what it shares in common
00:41:14.22\00:41:15.60
is kids are getting
to a point of frustration
00:41:15.63\00:41:18.55
that they don't
care about their future
00:41:18.58\00:41:20.76
and they'll do
future destroying,
00:41:20.79\00:41:22.50
future blowing up things.
00:41:22.53\00:41:24.48
And, you know, Hannah's story
is different than a lot of them
00:41:24.51\00:41:26.81
but it's a same thing
that Satan was smiling saying,
00:41:26.84\00:41:29.44
I've got this one. Right.
00:41:29.47\00:41:31.45
And parents that are desperate,
00:41:31.48\00:41:32.87
you know, the
realities, they've tried stuff,
00:41:32.90\00:41:34.66
I mean in your story is parents
that have bought property,
00:41:34.69\00:41:39.00
they made
investments, time investments,
00:41:39.03\00:41:41.39
care investments,
00:41:41.42\00:41:42.49
they've done all the
things that you should do.
00:41:42.52\00:41:46.94
And that powerlessness to say,
00:41:46.97\00:41:48.47
I'm doing the right
things but it's not working.
00:41:48.50\00:41:51.19
You know, and Patch steps
00:41:51.22\00:41:53.11
in at that point that really
parents get to the two things,
00:41:53.14\00:41:56.21
I can't keep my kid safe
and there is no viable plan
00:41:56.24\00:41:59.48
for me to change that
unless we do something bigger.
00:41:59.51\00:42:01.76
And that's when we
step in and that's where,
00:42:01.79\00:42:04.31
you know, Hannah
coming to us as this kid that,
00:42:04.34\00:42:08.45
this isn't what I
want but it's better than
00:42:08.48\00:42:10.23
what I have at
home. That's so normal.
00:42:10.26\00:42:13.95
But really resisting and
being very angry at her parents
00:42:13.98\00:42:17.03
is one of the
things we see constantly.
00:42:17.06\00:42:19.88
How long were
you at Project Patch?
00:42:19.91\00:42:23.01
Almost 11 months.
00:42:23.04\00:42:24.52
Okay.
00:42:24.55\00:42:25.74
What was it like
when you first got there,
00:42:25.77\00:42:27.13
I mean, okay, you're away
from home, that was like, huh,
00:42:27.16\00:42:29.01
long as I'm not
around mom and dad,
00:42:29.04\00:42:30.78
but you get there
and then did program
00:42:30.81\00:42:33.17
kind of the introduction to
it starts to be outlined to you
00:42:33.20\00:42:37.21
and what's your thoughts there?
00:42:37.24\00:42:39.22
I didn't think
that I needed to there.
00:42:39.25\00:42:41.21
It was kind of a tent I guess
00:42:41.24\00:42:45.59
'cause when you first get
there, you're on orientation
00:42:45.62\00:42:48.05
and you're
watched like constantly
00:42:48.08\00:42:50.64
and you don't really have very
many privileges or anything,
00:42:50.67\00:42:53.47
so it was frustrating to
me 'cause I was used to like
00:42:53.50\00:43:00.96
being able to do what I want.
00:43:00.99\00:43:02.83
So I fought it
probably for like 8 or 9 months
00:43:02.86\00:43:07.07
and then I started as like,
00:43:07.10\00:43:10.08
okay, ever thee,
do needed be here,
00:43:10.11\00:43:12.12
I do have issues that
I need to work through.
00:43:12.15\00:43:14.53
And I think when I stopped
focusing on family issues
00:43:14.56\00:43:19.59
and focusing on my own issues
00:43:19.62\00:43:21.26
is really when
it started working.
00:43:21.29\00:43:23.03
Hmm.
00:43:23.06\00:43:24.21
That's interesting to be
at a program about 11 months
00:43:24.24\00:43:26.75
but 8 or 9 of those
months you're thinking,
00:43:26.78\00:43:29.40
it's kind of like how
can I get out of here?
00:43:29.43\00:43:30.93
How can I just
maintain until my time is done.
00:43:30.96\00:43:32.91
I just need to get out of
here, I don't belong here,
00:43:32.94\00:43:34.85
I don't-- This is not for me
00:43:34.88\00:43:36.07
and then all the sudden
the light comes on one day,
00:43:36.10\00:43:38.90
I do have issues.
00:43:38.93\00:43:40.14
I think I need to
work on these issues.
00:43:40.17\00:43:41.95
Tell me describing
because the program
00:43:41.98\00:43:44.82
what I want to
communicate here today is,
00:43:44.85\00:43:46.66
you know, this is
not an usual journey
00:43:46.69\00:43:49.02
because most of the
time when a person is,
00:43:49.05\00:43:51.38
wherever that person is put,
00:43:51.41\00:43:52.60
wherever that
young person is put,
00:43:52.63\00:43:54.09
there's not this immediate,
00:43:54.12\00:43:55.95
oh, great, I'm glad
to be at Project Patch
00:43:55.98\00:43:58.64
and I'm going to
start working on my issues
00:43:58.67\00:44:00.25
from day one it's like,
this is not gonna happen.
00:44:00.28\00:44:04.14
And you both are away now
00:44:04.17\00:44:05.89
because
obviously for the program
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to work most effectively.
00:44:07.62\00:44:09.90
Tell me about the
contact that parents have
00:44:09.93\00:44:12.12
while the child is away?
00:44:12.15\00:44:13.57
So even from the start
there is not much contact
00:44:13.60\00:44:16.14
and then solely
there's parents visits,
00:44:16.17\00:44:18.52
there are some home leaves,
00:44:18.55\00:44:19.72
there are things
that start to happen.
00:44:19.75\00:44:22.45
Kind of building
up credit so to say.
00:44:22.48\00:44:24.19
Building up
credits and part of that
00:44:24.22\00:44:26.08
is her experiences
that kids come to us
00:44:26.11\00:44:29.43
and people expect
really rapid turnarounds.
00:44:29.46\00:44:31.82
The reality is
Patch can't change kids.
00:44:31.85\00:44:34.55
We have influence,
we have caring adults.
00:44:34.58\00:44:37.18
The nice thing about Project
Patch is we've a staff of 30,
00:44:37.21\00:44:39.48
so when you get
into that situation
00:44:39.51\00:44:40.76
where kids is going
through much the entire team
00:44:40.79\00:44:43.35
and pass off to
another staff member.
00:44:43.38\00:44:45.17
So it's that's constant
that they handle talks about.
00:44:45.20\00:44:48.16
It's an
environment of watchful care.
00:44:48.19\00:44:50.27
But we can't change the kids.
00:44:50.30\00:44:52.11
But overtime being in
the right environment,
00:44:52.14\00:44:53.94
giving them chances
to observe themselves,
00:44:53.97\00:44:55.80
see at another kids have
in that group environment...
00:44:55.83\00:44:57.74
Right.
00:44:57.77\00:44:58.80
Does with our prayers
00:44:58.83\00:45:01.68
and with God at working
through all those things,
00:45:01.71\00:45:04.28
hopefully lead the kid.
00:45:04.31\00:45:05.42
But there is that pig,
00:45:05.45\00:45:06.55
that moment that the
kid just find themselves
00:45:06.58\00:45:09.52
I'm in a trough with
pigs, eating pig food.
00:45:09.55\00:45:13.05
Okay.
00:45:13.08\00:45:14.13
You know, the prodigal
son came to an awakening
00:45:14.16\00:45:17.93
is really how we describe it
00:45:17.96\00:45:19.23
and part of what
we're trying to do
00:45:19.26\00:45:20.51
is just wake up the kids.
00:45:20.54\00:45:22.09
You know, to say
that a 20 some year old
00:45:22.12\00:45:23.76
hanging out with a 13 year old,
00:45:23.79\00:45:25.03
that's not
normal, that's grooming.
00:45:25.06\00:45:27.01
And for the girl
that's having that
00:45:27.04\00:45:30.08
it feels really flattering.
00:45:30.11\00:45:31.91
You know, this guy
like me so the manipulation
00:45:31.94\00:45:33.66
but to break that
falsehood takes time.
00:45:33.69\00:45:37.75
I mean, so that awakening moment
00:45:37.78\00:45:39.25
can happen all source time,
sometimes it happens at Patch,
00:45:39.28\00:45:41.67
sometimes it doesn't.
00:45:41.70\00:45:43.13
But partnering with the parents
and really with the kid to say,
00:45:43.16\00:45:46.82
you know, this isn't
what God has in store for you.
00:45:46.85\00:45:50.19
Let me ask you a
question, Hannah.
00:45:50.22\00:45:51.41
At what point did
you start seeing that
00:45:51.44\00:45:53.80
this is actually helping me out?
00:45:53.83\00:45:56.39
Because we talk about the 8 or 9
00:45:56.42\00:45:57.71
month period of resistance.
00:45:57.74\00:45:59.66
Tell me about
the turnaround period
00:45:59.69\00:46:01.17
when you started seeing
the light come in your life
00:46:01.20\00:46:02.97
and start addressing some of
the real issues that you had?
00:46:03.00\00:46:07.94
I think when I start
letting God back into my life,
00:46:07.97\00:46:13.12
I had some talks
with the chaplain there
00:46:13.15\00:46:17.01
and just different frustrations
00:46:17.04\00:46:19.91
and how I viewed God as
controlling and manipulative
00:46:19.94\00:46:24.28
and so I didn't really
want anything to do with them.
00:46:24.31\00:46:28.37
And so when I started realizing,
00:46:28.40\00:46:29.87
I can't do this on my own
00:46:29.90\00:46:34.67
and started letting Him
help me or asking for His help.
00:46:34.70\00:46:37.42
I guess that's kind of where
the turnaround started coming,
00:46:37.45\00:46:40.73
because I
realized I could trust Him
00:46:40.76\00:46:42.39
like He would help me
work through my issues
00:46:42.42\00:46:45.11
and I didn't have
to face them alone.
00:46:45.14\00:46:48.43
And then now recovering your
connection with your parents
00:46:48.46\00:46:51.11
because, okay, you are
working on your own issues
00:46:51.14\00:46:54.54
but then where
did that desire to
00:46:54.57\00:47:00.11
but that freedom to
see your mom and dad again
00:47:00.14\00:47:02.03
come back in because you know,
00:47:02.06\00:47:03.39
you still have
that bridge built?
00:47:03.42\00:47:08.00
I'm not exactly sure,
00:47:08.03\00:47:09.24
I mean
definitely our relationship
00:47:09.27\00:47:12.18
was healing during
the time I was at Patch
00:47:12.21\00:47:16.14
and so I would enjoy
being with them more,
00:47:16.17\00:47:18.52
but I think
it's-- hasn't really been
00:47:18.55\00:47:21.44
into probably two a year
or so after that I left Patch
00:47:21.47\00:47:25.73
that I really
started becoming stronger,
00:47:25.76\00:47:30.18
so it reached to the point
where there was no relationship
00:47:30.21\00:47:33.89
between us
before I went to Patch
00:47:33.92\00:47:35.95
and so I think it
took more than just a year
00:47:35.98\00:47:38.46
of being there to help it build
but that's what started it--
00:47:38.49\00:47:42.56
That's a good thing.
00:47:42.59\00:47:44.27
Tell me about the
return of my daughter, okay.
00:47:44.30\00:47:48.47
We were grateful.
00:47:48.50\00:47:50.26
Patch is usually a year program
00:47:50.29\00:47:52.80
but because of the
schooling situation
00:47:52.83\00:47:55.45
we, when she would get out,
00:47:55.48\00:47:57.78
they let her out a month earlier
00:47:57.81\00:48:00.21
because she
was-- had done so well.
00:48:00.24\00:48:04.57
But it was hard for us.
00:48:04.60\00:48:06.09
The first four weeks there,
no contact even from parents
00:48:06.12\00:48:09.74
because we live so far,
00:48:09.77\00:48:11.71
we couldn't make
all the family visits,
00:48:11.74\00:48:13.69
we were only out there
once in that year to see her.
00:48:13.72\00:48:17.36
And then she came to
a family reunion once
00:48:17.39\00:48:20.15
or just twice in that 11 months.
00:48:20.18\00:48:23.90
And we learned a lot too
when we would go out there,
00:48:23.93\00:48:27.72
Patch works with the parents,
understanding personalities
00:48:27.75\00:48:31.34
and how to get
alone and you know,
00:48:31.37\00:48:34.59
it was very helpful
and so we just have to--
00:48:34.62\00:48:38.01
it was like walking
on eggshells for a while.
00:48:38.04\00:48:41.92
And I think it felt
that way on both sides,
00:48:41.95\00:48:44.68
I know for my wife and I
but she began coming back
00:48:44.71\00:48:49.70
and started school in a private
high school in Tennessee.
00:48:49.73\00:48:55.99
And so there was
still some distance for her
00:48:56.02\00:48:59.59
and we would see,
could call each other,
00:48:59.62\00:49:02.01
go down on
vacations or she'd come up.
00:49:02.04\00:49:03.88
Rebuilding the trust.
00:49:03.91\00:49:04.96
Rebuilding.
00:49:04.99\00:49:06.43
And you know, I'm so
grateful as she rebuild
00:49:06.46\00:49:09.89
that relationship with
God as my wife and I learned.
00:49:09.92\00:49:13.68
I'm so proud of my girl today.
00:49:13.71\00:49:16.54
I wouldn't trade any of
my kids for anyone else's
00:49:16.57\00:49:20.18
but I just, I'm really grateful
00:49:20.21\00:49:25.18
for what God has done
00:49:25.21\00:49:26.50
and I know we're
still different people
00:49:26.53\00:49:29.37
and you know, we
have our differences
00:49:29.40\00:49:31.46
of views and what not.
00:49:31.49\00:49:33.68
But there is an openness that
hasn't been there for a while.
00:49:33.71\00:49:40.09
You know, hadn't
been for several years.
00:49:40.12\00:49:42.42
And I just praise God for that.
00:49:42.45\00:49:44.35
Anything you want
to add to that, Donna?
00:49:44.38\00:49:48.10
I think he said it well,
00:49:48.13\00:49:49.40
but it was just
beautiful to watch.
00:49:49.43\00:49:53.96
Hannah began to
change and I just, you know,
00:49:53.99\00:49:59.28
she could have
just sat the program out
00:49:59.31\00:50:01.82
and not make those changes.
00:50:01.85\00:50:04.55
But to see her
really take hold of it
00:50:04.58\00:50:07.60
and of course we were praying,
I just, I want to give God,
00:50:07.63\00:50:11.79
the glory God the credit here.
00:50:11.82\00:50:17.16
Though we were not
able to see her much,
00:50:17.19\00:50:18.85
I mean she was
constantly in our prayers
00:50:18.88\00:50:20.75
and I just know that the
Lord did that work in here.
00:50:20.78\00:50:24.69
John, I would like to say
00:50:24.72\00:50:25.75
and I know our time is about up.
00:50:25.78\00:50:27.92
We're so
grateful, this opportunity
00:50:27.95\00:50:29.96
came at the age she
is because Project Patch
00:50:29.99\00:50:32.65
doesn't take kids over 18.
00:50:32.68\00:50:33.88
Oh, wow!
00:50:33.91\00:50:34.97
Because they're free to go.
00:50:35.00\00:50:37.44
And if it hadn't been for
this, who knows where Hannah
00:50:37.47\00:50:43.17
might have been today
if it had been later on.
00:50:43.20\00:50:45.77
You know, I want to
bring that out before
00:50:45.80\00:50:48.09
and we have a on the other side
00:50:48.12\00:50:49.49
of our newsbreak a little
time there to emphasize this.
00:50:49.52\00:50:52.32
But just
summarize the age groups
00:50:52.35\00:50:56.31
is up to 18 is
when you take a person.
00:50:56.34\00:50:58.25
Correct.
00:50:58.28\00:50:59.31
After that point there?
00:50:59.34\00:51:00.94
And that's one of
the saddest things
00:51:00.97\00:51:02.69
that we have is that parents,
00:51:02.72\00:51:05.59
their kids going through
rebellion and they assume that,
00:51:05.62\00:51:07.71
oh, this is just the
phase that will pass.
00:51:07.74\00:51:10.13
The cost right now of kids going
00:51:10.16\00:51:12.27
through phases is expensive,
00:51:12.30\00:51:15.53
as in the access that
they have to self harm
00:51:15.56\00:51:17.76
the access they
have the chemicals,
00:51:17.79\00:51:19.11
the types of relationships
that kids are being
00:51:19.14\00:51:20.77
drawn into the pornography,
the cost is high right now
00:51:20.80\00:51:24.97
and their kid
might not come back.
00:51:25.00\00:51:27.68
And so we're looking at kids,
00:51:27.71\00:51:29.08
you know, age 12
through turning 18
00:51:29.11\00:51:32.82
and pray for those
kids that are past that,
00:51:32.85\00:51:34.48
just because the
resources are slim.
00:51:34.51\00:51:37.23
You know, people
that are listening
00:51:37.26\00:51:38.32
to the program might say,
00:51:38.35\00:51:39.38
well, wow, I maybe need to
look into a program like this
00:51:39.41\00:51:42.70
and I want to let
you get the information
00:51:42.73\00:51:45.06
that you need 'cause there's
only so much we can cover today
00:51:45.09\00:51:47.75
but here's the
information that you need
00:51:47.78\00:51:49.24
to get in touch with
Project Patch or Chuck
00:51:49.27\00:51:53.22
and find out how God can enhance
00:51:53.25\00:51:55.51
and strengthen your family
00:51:55.54\00:51:57.16
as it has blessed
the Bullock family
00:51:57.19\00:51:59.36
through this program.
00:51:59.39\00:52:01.73
Project Patch is
passionately committed
00:52:01.76\00:52:04.30
to restoring troubled youth
and building stronger families.
00:52:04.33\00:52:08.00
If you know someone who
may benefit from this ministry,
00:52:08.03\00:52:10.50
or if you like to support them,
00:52:10.53\00:52:12.18
then you can
write to Project Patch,
00:52:12.21\00:52:14.28
2404 East Mill
Plain Blvd, Suite A,
00:52:14.31\00:52:18.10
Vancouver, Washington 98661.
00:52:18.13\00:52:21.22
That's Project Patch, 2404
East Mill Plain Blvd, Suite A,
00:52:21.25\00:52:26.59
Vancouver, Washington 98661.
00:52:26.62\00:52:29.82
You can call 360-690-8495.
00:52:29.85\00:52:34.07
That's 360-690-8495.
00:52:34.10\00:52:38.24
You can visit them
online at projectpatch.org.
00:52:38.27\00:52:42.14
That's projectpatch.org.
00:52:42.17\00:52:45.03