I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome to
another program from 3ABN today.
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We're happy that
we've this moment
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to share with you
and it is my pleasure
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to be with you during this hour.
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My name is John
Dinzey and I've--
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we've a special
guest that is with us.
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We're talking with
Pastor Carlos Cruz.
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Welcome. Thank you, John.
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We're happy that you're here
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and grateful that you're able
to take some Spanish programs,
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hopefully some programs
in English in the future.
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But where are you
currently at this moment?
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Right now I'm at
Andrews University
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that's Berrien
Springs, Michigan.
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Very good. Very good.
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Well, we're going to get to know
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Pastor Cruz during this hour.
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And we would like to
ask you to at this moment
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to join us in prayer and again
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as some of you
remember Pastor Ricardo,
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he's to like to say,
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we've one of the largest
prayer chains in the world.
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And we have prayer partners
practically all over the world.
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And we praise the Lord
for our prayer partners.
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So if you have a prayer request
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we encourage you to call 3ABN
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or email your prayer request
because we have many people
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that are
willing to pray for you.
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And this is a ministry of faith
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and we're grateful to
the Lord for His blessings
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and Pastor Cruz is amazing
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how the people call and tell us
sometimes how the Lord blessed
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and answer the
prayer that was being sent.
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So we praise the Lord that
He still performs miracles.
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And if the Lord has
blessed you with a miracle
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we would like to hear about it
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and we praise the
Lord for what He's done.
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If 3ABN has been a
blessing to you write to us
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and share what the
Lord has done in your life.
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At this moment we like
to go to the Lord in prayer
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and we'd like to
invite you to be a part of it.
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And so please take a
moment and pray with us.
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Let's pray together.
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Our precious Heavenly Father,
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we want to thank You
for Your goodness and mercy.
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We thank You Lord,
that we can trust in You
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and that you our
present help in time of trouble.
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We thank you Father,
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that there is no
limit to the amount of times
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we can come before
Your throne of grace.
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That there is time
when the offices are closed
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or the lines are too busy,
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at any time we can
approach Your throne of grace
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and know that You will be there,
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that You will
listen to our needs,
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You will listen to our request.
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And we bring to You this
request and the petitions,
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that have come into
3ABN during this day.
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We pray that You
will consider each one
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and we ask you Father,
that in moment that it is best.
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You will bring a
blessing to Your children.
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And we thank You, for 3ABN that
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You have raised up to
proclaim a message to the world.
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We ask You to be with us
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during this hour
in Jesus name, amen.
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Amen. Amen.
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Well, we praise the
Lord for the Holy Scriptures
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and really
practically anywhere you read
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you will find a blessing.
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At this time we
like to share a scripture
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from the Book of Deuteronomy
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and that book we're
going to go to chapter 5
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and Pastor Cruz has a verse here
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that has impacted his life.
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So it's verse 29.
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So I'll read it to your
reading and it says thus.
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"O that there were
such an heart in them,
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that they would fear me,
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and keep all my
commandments always,
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that it might be well with them,
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and with their
children for ever!"
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Praise the Lord.
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And so we see here God's
desire that we would be--
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we'll have such a
heart, such a way of living
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that we want to with joy
keep His commandments, you know.
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I wonder if you
have some thoughts
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that you would
like to share with us.
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Yeah, what impacted me
from this verse is that,
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God's intention
for us its obedience
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but it's not
obedience for His own sake,
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it's obedience for our own sake.
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Obedience to us, it's a blessing
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and that's the way God sees it.
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And the fact that
we find this verse
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basically in the
core of the Old Testament
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in the Pentateuch.
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It's to me a
important fact to understand
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what God is actually
trying to do throughout history.
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Amen. Amen.
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Apparently we
see in this scripture
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also that
obedience brings blessings
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through the Lord to us.
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Because it says, that
it might be well with them
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and with their children it says.
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It is as an expression
that God wants to bless us
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but sometimes we limit
the Lord by this obedience.
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And so it's a longing all that
they were such a heart in them.
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And so I know we can
talk more about this.
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You probably have
presented the sermons on this.
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But today we're
going to dedicate time
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to know Pastor Cruz
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and how the Lord
has ministered his life.
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And I believe
you will be blessed.
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So I encourage you to stay
by with us during this hour.
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At this moment we will
like to share a song with you,
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a musical offering
I like to call them.
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And we have
Sandra Entermann with us
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and on the piano we
have Sanja Kitevski.
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And we'll hear an
offering from the--
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musical offering
entitled "One More Song."
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As long as there is time
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And one breath left in me
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There will always be
one more song for You
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And as long as there is room
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For one more voice in praise
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And a need
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For a word of love and truth
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To help my brother through
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There'll be one
more song for You
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You were there with
your songs of laughter
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Words of hope for my fears
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But what are songs when
no one else will sing them
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What are words when no one hears
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Every day was
filled with questions
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And when I asked, no one knew
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Till I found the answer in You
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And as long as there is time
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And one breath left in me
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There will always be
one more song for You
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And as long as there is room
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For one more voice in praise
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And a need
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For a word of love and truth
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To help my brother through
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There'll be one
more song for You
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Love in the air around me
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Hope abounds everywhere
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Living life in the arms of Jesus
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Learning how to really care
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Every day is filled with purpose
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All the old is made new
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And I know I owe it all to You
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And as long as there is time
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And one breath left in me
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There will always be
one more song for You
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And as long as there is room
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For one more voice in praise
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And a need
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For a word of love and truth
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To help my brother through
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There'll be one
more song for You
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Amen, amen. Praise the Lord.
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We want to
thank Sandra Entermann
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and of course Sanja Kitevski.
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I hope I'm
pronouncing that right
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that was on the piano.
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"One More Song"
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a beautiful,
inspirational message we have
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and we want to thank you.
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Actually she came all the way
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from Australia to
record that music.
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Oh, that's very impressive.
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Sandra did.
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Well, we would like to get
to know Pastor Cruz better.
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Your name is Pastor Carlos Cruz
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and this is a Spanish name.
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So we want find
out where you are from.
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I was born in the Caribbean,
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in an island
called Dominican Republic.
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Praise the Lord.
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I was also born in the Caribbean
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actually in Dominican Republic.
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So welcome to 3ABN.
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This is, I think
your second time here.
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And we would like to
get to know you better.
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Sure.
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Our English viewers would
like to may see you in future.
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So they like to put a little
more history to the person.
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Tell us about--
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if you were raised
in a Christian home
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and how you came to
know the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Well, I was born
and raised in a home
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that had some
religious background
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but not necessarily
in a Christian home.
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My father was not
present at an early age of mine,
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so basically I
grew up with my mom
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back in Dominican Republic.
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And she used to attend
certain Christian church
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form time to time.
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So I can say that
I actually was born
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within a Christian background.
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Okay, so there was some
Christian background to you
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and as you grew up eventually
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there must have
been a moment in time
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when you decided to
look a little more into this.
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How was it that
the Lord reached you?
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Was it at Church?
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On your own that you're reading
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or you were visiting church?
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I've always been a very
curious person about religion.
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There's something
about the knowledge of God
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that catch my attentions--
my attention immediately.
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And what happened was that,
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one of my neighbors
actually moved close to my home
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and that person
invited all the kids
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around that
sector was about 17 kids.
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I was the...
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let's say was the
younger from all of them.
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And they started to
give us Bible studies
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and that's
basically my first contact
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with the Bible truth.
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Excellent.
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And so what age do
you remember this was?
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That was about
when I was 10-years-old.
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Ten years old?
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Okay, so now you
hear more about the Lord
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and you became
interested or was it,
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well, that is fun
to be with the friends
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or you had a real interest?
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I had a real interest
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and I was the
first among the group
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that actually
decided to get baptized.
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It actually-- the truth that
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I was learning was so impacting,
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so amazing that I
decided that I had,
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I had to take the decision
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and come into this new
world that I was discovering.
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And so how did your
decision impact your family,
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was it your mother,
any brothers and sisters?
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I grew up with a sister.
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By the time I took the
decision to get baptized
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was about when I
was 11-years-old.
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The truth is that I didn't cause
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a great impact in my family
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because I was
actually getting to know
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what Christianity was all about.
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Unfortunately I had to travel
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to different places in the world
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and by the age of 12 I decided
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that I didn't want anything.
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I didn't want any
part of Christianity at all
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since that point on.
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So one year later,
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the way your
world was developing
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you lost
interest for some reason.
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That's true.
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I did find the truth
of the Bible interesting
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but I didn't want to live
the Christian life anymore.
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Okay, would you say that
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when you were
baptized you had your Bible?
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You studied the
Bible for a while,
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went to church for a while
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but you said
some traveling came in
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that disconnected
you from the group
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that you were
normally being a part of.
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That's exactly what happened.
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The persons that were
actually given us Bible studies
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they had to move
out of their house
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and they moved to another place
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and the whole group
was actually disconnected
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from constant
communion with the Bible
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and with the church.
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So at the end of the
day basically all of us
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decided to leave the church
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and only one of us
remained in the church
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and he's still there,
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thank God for
that, it wasn't me.
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Now 12-years-old you
decided to depart from the Lord.
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Now from 11 to 12 your sister,
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was she younger than
you or older than you?
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No, she's older,
eight years older than me.
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Eight years older.
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So when you made your
decision to become a Christian,
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did she become interested?
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Did she visit
the church with you,
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the group with you at all?
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Not at the moment.
She had her own life.
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Yes, she had her own life.
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And my mom was
actually worried about me.
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At the beginning she
didn't want me to get baptized.
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She said that I was too young
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and that
eventually I leave the church,
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that was her concern.
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And interesting enough,
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in some sense that's
exactly what happened.
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The interesting part for
me is that if I had this--
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have I decided to take
another decision back there,
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I'll actually not being
in the church right now.
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In some sense--
During 11-years-old?
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Eleven, twelve? Yeah.
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You would not have
decided, looking back?
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Yeah. If I-- no, no, no.
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If I have decided differently
back than I'll not be here
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because the reason
I'm here right now,
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it's because
somehow that experience
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that I had with Christ
back then it stood with me.
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Okay, made an
impact on your life.
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It did.
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So that was a
reference point for you.
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Yes, it was. Okay.
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So then somewhere
after 12-years-old,
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of course when you
walked away from the Lord,
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the Lord did not
walk away from you.
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That is true.
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So He kept-- He continued
trying to reach you somehow.
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Do you have
probably some memories
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that help us to see that?
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I do.
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He used a very
particular method,
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that when He tried
to reconnect with me
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was actually through dreams.
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He started
giving me the same dream
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over and over and
over and over again.
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The same dream?
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Almost everyday
for two and half years.
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Now-- would you classify
this dream as a nightmare
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that you were afraid
or it was something nice?
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It was-- it wasn't a nightmare.
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It was a factual dream.
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Basically what I
saw was a mountain
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that was been
shaken by a hurricane.
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The setting was a storm
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but somehow a
light came from sky
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and illuminated
the whole panorama
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and a voice told me,
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what happens if
Christ comes today?
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Wow.
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And the voice answered me,
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the voice answered me and said,
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you're gonna get lost.
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Wow.
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It didn't get me afraid.
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It get me to
think about my life.
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I was concerned about the
decision that I was making,
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that I was making
constantly back then,
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that's exactly what happened
with me with those dreams.
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Wow, so you had this
dream more than once.
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You said many times. Yeah, yeah.
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Probably several times a
week and for two and half years.
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Wow. That's impressive.
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The interesting thing
about it is that sometimes
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I used to forget it.
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I remember myself
remembering the dream
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when I was like
two or three minutes
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right after I wake up
and then like five minutes
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after that the
dream was absolutely gone,
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completely gone.
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And sometimes I could not
dream it for one or two days
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and then the
dream just comes back.
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So I specialized myself
in the art of forgetting
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about this dream, let's say.
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Okay.
00:19:03.38\00:19:04.48
So then, at what
point do we see--
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can you tell us
in your life that
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God made another approach
to you and how was that?
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Yes, well, two and half years
after that one of the friends
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that I had in the
church came and visit me.
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And he was
talking to me and like,
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when we were
into the conversation
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for about an hour
and a half or something,
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he told me,
Carlos, you know what?
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You should come back
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and that's the only
thing I needed to hear.
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When he said that I said,
00:19:36.77\00:19:38.66
you know, Nicolas, you're right.
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I'm gonna get baptized.
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And month after that I was
getting baptized in the church.
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Wow. Praise the Lord.
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God has been preparing me
all the way for that decision,
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for that specific
thing, that's what I can say.
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Wow. Praise the Lord.
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Now, I don't know if
you're ready for this question?
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Go ahead.
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What about that dream
after you became baptized?
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Did you have it again? No.
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No more? No more.
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Okay, so now if the mountain
is shaking you will be saved.
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That's my hope.
00:20:07.13\00:20:08.30
So we know that
you're a pastor now,
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we want to get from the moment
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you were baptized to that story.
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Oh, that's a long
story. But you were Christian.
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Yes.
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What type of
school did you go to?
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Did you go to a
Christian school,
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a public school, what
type of school was it?
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I did go to a Christian school
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based in
traditional religion, let's say.
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I didn't attend a Seventh-day
Adventist Church before.
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So when you were
baptized-- The school I went.
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When you were
baptized you were baptized
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into the
Seventh-day Adventist Church?
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Yes, I was. Okay.
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So you were going then
00:20:43.95\00:20:45.53
not to a
Seventh-day Adventist School,
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you say a
traditional religious school.
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Yes.
00:20:51.32\00:20:52.59
So what was your
experience like there,
00:20:52.62\00:20:54.25
it was different
than your beliefs?
00:20:54.28\00:20:56.41
Oh, completely different.
00:20:56.44\00:20:58.57
I felt like I
was alone in a school
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of about 2,000 people.
00:21:01.09\00:21:04.07
I used to believe
that I was the only one
00:21:04.10\00:21:06.50
with my particular set
of beliefs in that school
00:21:06.53\00:21:08.90
and that made it difficult
00:21:08.93\00:21:10.62
and interesting
at the same time.
00:21:10.65\00:21:12.41
I was constantly
challenged to defend myself
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against the
teachings of professors that,
00:21:16.39\00:21:20.21
they didn't think the same way,
00:21:20.24\00:21:21.93
they didn't alike and
they didn't the same way
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I used to do.
00:21:23.94\00:21:25.46
And I was also
challenged by my friends.
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Why do you believe
that? Why do you do that?
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Why don't you do that?
00:21:29.91\00:21:31.27
What's happening
to you? What changed?
00:21:31.30\00:21:33.49
That was a constant question
00:21:33.52\00:21:34.99
that I actually had to
face when I was studying.
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So from one year--
what years of your life
00:21:36.85\00:21:39.56
were these 13, 14, 15-years-old?
00:21:39.59\00:21:42.50
Since I was, no, since I
was 15 all the way to 17.
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All the way to 17?
00:21:48.17\00:21:49.73
So were-- that
was there any time
00:21:49.76\00:21:51.83
that in your mind you said,
00:21:51.86\00:21:53.64
man, I don't
like to be different?
00:21:53.67\00:21:55.32
Maybe I should be like them
00:21:55.35\00:21:57.01
or were you happy
in your experience?
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To be true to my experience
00:21:59.36\00:22:02.95
I didn't processed
information in the way.
00:22:02.98\00:22:05.10
Why am I right
and they are wrong
00:22:05.13\00:22:06.76
or why they are
right and I am wrong?
00:22:06.79\00:22:09.58
I then processed
information that way.
00:22:09.61\00:22:11.20
I just knew what
God was asking me do
00:22:11.23\00:22:13.46
and I didn't question it.
00:22:13.49\00:22:15.24
It wasn't a concern of mine
whether they believe me or not,
00:22:15.27\00:22:18.07
whether they were in
agreement with me or not
00:22:18.10\00:22:20.43
or whether I was in
agreement with them or not?
00:22:20.46\00:22:22.75
I just knew what
God was asking me to do.
00:22:22.78\00:22:25.65
And I just opened the Bible
00:22:25.68\00:22:27.34
and start teaching
the word in my school.
00:22:27.37\00:22:29.08
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:22:29.11\00:22:30.17
So I would suggest or think--
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I know a little
bit about the churches
00:22:33.74\00:22:35.59
in Dominican Republic.
00:22:35.62\00:22:36.91
I left there when
I was 11-years-old
00:22:36.94\00:22:38.70
but I've been a few times.
00:22:38.73\00:22:42.79
I know that the youth programs
are very active program,
00:22:42.82\00:22:47.58
Friday nights
maybe, Saturday afternoons.
00:22:47.61\00:22:51.57
Was that your experience also?
00:22:51.60\00:22:54.75
Was there a strong
youth activity in your church?
00:22:54.78\00:22:59.62
Did that draw you to be
continued to be a part of it?
00:22:59.65\00:23:02.96
Yes, my church
used to be is actually,
00:23:02.99\00:23:07.82
is still actually
a very active church.
00:23:07.85\00:23:12.36
I used to see
the church as a place
00:23:12.39\00:23:14.51
in which I want to
see-- to connect good friends.
00:23:14.54\00:23:18.79
Good friends that
believe exactly the same thing
00:23:18.82\00:23:21.66
I believed and they had
similar experience to mine.
00:23:21.69\00:23:24.73
So it was actually a
very important aspect
00:23:24.76\00:23:28.11
of my religious life.
00:23:28.14\00:23:30.55
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:23:30.58\00:23:32.29
Well, here is Carlos
Cruz in Dominican Republic
00:23:32.32\00:23:36.44
going through
school, in a school
00:23:36.47\00:23:38.50
that doesn't
believe the same as his.
00:23:38.53\00:23:40.97
At what point in
time did you understand
00:23:41.00\00:23:44.86
that God was calling
you to be a minister?
00:23:44.89\00:23:49.75
Like, even before I finished
school one of my professors,
00:23:52.43\00:23:58.75
a professor of
philosophy in literature
00:23:58.78\00:24:01.36
that used to be a
catholic seminarian
00:24:01.39\00:24:04.77
was teaching a
class on ethics in civics.
00:24:04.80\00:24:10.91
And he made an
example that I know right now
00:24:10.94\00:24:14.22
he wasn't aware
of the implications
00:24:14.25\00:24:16.67
but he said something about--
00:24:16.70\00:24:18.73
he was talking about
something on concerning
00:24:18.76\00:24:21.51
the civics in
Dominican Republic.
00:24:21.54\00:24:24.12
And he stopped
the class for a second
00:24:24.15\00:24:26.44
and he pointed at me and
he said to the whole class,
00:24:26.47\00:24:29.54
for example you see him?
00:24:29.57\00:24:31.94
He's a pastor.
00:24:31.97\00:24:33.23
You look at him, he's a pastor.
00:24:33.26\00:24:35.75
And then he just
stopped right there
00:24:35.78\00:24:37.75
and continued the
class as if nothing happened.
00:24:37.78\00:24:41.45
And that impacted my life
00:24:41.48\00:24:42.67
because I knew right
then that it wasn't him.
00:24:42.70\00:24:47.04
I knew right
then that it was God
00:24:47.07\00:24:49.33
calling me through him.
00:24:49.36\00:24:50.76
Very
interesting. Very interesting.
00:24:50.79\00:24:53.51
How did this become
solidify in your mind?
00:24:53.54\00:24:57.06
You say you knew it then
but there is a moment in time
00:24:57.09\00:25:01.96
when you make a
decision, I'm gonna do this.
00:25:01.99\00:25:04.54
Now were you at
the Catholic school?
00:25:04.57\00:25:06.20
I mean, the
traditional school still,
00:25:06.23\00:25:09.79
how was your--
00:25:09.82\00:25:11.50
did they tried to
convert you to that belief?
00:25:11.53\00:25:15.61
Well, the school that
I attended to is a school
00:25:15.64\00:25:20.12
that it's very active
in religious activities.
00:25:20.15\00:25:25.23
So I have to in some sense
participate in those activities
00:25:25.26\00:25:29.27
but I had to
participate from a perspective
00:25:29.30\00:25:33.32
in which I do
not affect my beliefs
00:25:33.35\00:25:35.02
because I was not in
the mood for compromising.
00:25:35.05\00:25:38.34
Okay.
00:25:38.37\00:25:40.63
I had to face
several issues in my school.
00:25:40.66\00:25:43.68
One of them was that I was
so passionate about the Word
00:25:43.71\00:25:47.02
that I was
teaching the Book of Daniel
00:25:47.05\00:25:49.15
and the Book of
Revelation in the school.
00:25:49.18\00:25:51.06
In the school? Yes.
00:25:51.09\00:25:52.39
As a teenager? Yeah.
00:25:52.42\00:25:54.05
That was my passion.
00:25:54.08\00:25:55.25
I founded so
interesting that I even--
00:25:55.28\00:25:58.95
I took from the
church a board like this big,
00:25:58.98\00:26:01.78
like, meter long
00:26:01.81\00:26:05.53
and that board had the
sanctuary painted in it
00:26:05.56\00:26:09.52
and I took it to my
school and in the break,
00:26:09.55\00:26:13.76
the break was about 30 minutes,
00:26:13.79\00:26:15.54
I use the time to
teach the people in my school
00:26:15.57\00:26:20.23
about the sanctuary
00:26:20.26\00:26:21.57
and about Daniel and Revelation,
00:26:21.60\00:26:22.63
that was my passion.
00:26:22.66\00:26:23.69
That's fascinating that
you had that opportunity.
00:26:23.72\00:26:26.78
I mean, you're coming in
00:26:26.81\00:26:28.23
with this big board into school.
00:26:28.26\00:26:30.90
Did you have to walk
far through the streets?
00:26:30.93\00:26:33.74
I mean, was it far from
your house to walk to school?
00:26:33.77\00:26:36.66
It was about a mile and half.
00:26:36.69\00:26:38.49
So you were walking
with this board across,
00:26:38.52\00:26:41.06
the people
probably looking at you.
00:26:41.09\00:26:42.83
So then you're teaching was,
00:26:42.86\00:26:44.41
did you see
interest in the people
00:26:44.44\00:26:46.03
as you were teaching?
00:26:46.06\00:26:47.10
Actually I did.
00:26:47.13\00:26:49.24
I was sharing the Word of God
with about four or five persons
00:26:49.27\00:26:56.04
and one of them got baptized,
00:26:56.07\00:26:58.59
one of them decided
after that to get baptized,
00:26:58.62\00:27:01.14
like a year or year
and a half after that.
00:27:01.17\00:27:03.95
And the other ones
actually were convinced
00:27:03.98\00:27:08.12
that the Word of God
00:27:08.15\00:27:09.55
was actually been
taught in that moment.
00:27:09.58\00:27:12.84
Amen. Amen.
00:27:12.87\00:27:14.44
So let's go back to
the time that you decided.
00:27:14.47\00:27:16.37
Okay, your mothers--
00:27:16.40\00:27:18.00
you know, all the
mothers have aspirations.
00:27:18.03\00:27:19.95
They want the
children to be this or that,
00:27:19.98\00:27:22.16
doctors, attorneys.
00:27:22.19\00:27:24.67
I don't know if
such expectations
00:27:24.70\00:27:28.47
were also shared with you.
00:27:28.50\00:27:29.77
Yes.
00:27:29.80\00:27:30.87
So when you told your family
00:27:30.90\00:27:32.90
this is what I would like to do,
00:27:32.93\00:27:34.92
they were extreme happiness.
00:27:34.95\00:27:36.50
Well, let me-- let me tell
you something about my family.
00:27:36.53\00:27:41.63
My mom is an
incredible woman. Amen.
00:27:41.66\00:27:44.50
And one thing
that characterizes her
00:27:44.53\00:27:47.72
back then and still do,
00:27:47.75\00:27:49.54
is that she always puts her--
00:27:49.57\00:27:54.59
me and my sister
right in front of her
00:27:54.62\00:27:57.44
in every decision
that she had to make
00:27:57.47\00:27:59.90
because she was very
demanding with us too.
00:27:59.93\00:28:02.17
That means, she had very
high expectations with us.
00:28:02.20\00:28:03.86
Expectations,
great. She didn't believe.
00:28:03.89\00:28:06.50
She didn't used to
believe the same way I believed.
00:28:06.53\00:28:09.08
So we had several problems,
00:28:09.11\00:28:11.26
one of them was my
belief in the Sabbath,
00:28:11.29\00:28:14.08
one of them was my
decision to eat healthy,
00:28:14.11\00:28:18.03
one of them was my decision
00:28:18.06\00:28:20.84
to get back to the Lord
what its His, money related.
00:28:20.87\00:28:26.18
And my lifestyle as a whole,
00:28:26.21\00:28:28.76
my constant habit
of studying the Bible,
00:28:28.79\00:28:31.72
she had problems with that.
00:28:31.75\00:28:32.88
She was very worried about me.
00:28:32.91\00:28:35.92
One of the things
that she mentioned,
00:28:35.95\00:28:37.20
that she
mentioned back then is that,
00:28:37.23\00:28:39.44
she was worried
that I would go crazy
00:28:39.47\00:28:42.01
if I continue study the Bible.
00:28:42.04\00:28:43.71
Oh, really? Yeah.
00:28:43.74\00:28:44.99
So right now how
many years have passed
00:28:45.02\00:28:47.01
and she sees you're not crazy.
00:28:47.04\00:28:50.75
Right now her
experience is very different.
00:28:50.78\00:28:55.57
Right now she
sees God through me.
00:28:55.60\00:28:57.88
Amen.
00:28:57.91\00:28:58.98
And that is a blessing I
cannot explain with words.
00:28:59.01\00:29:02.68
Amen. Amen.
00:29:02.71\00:29:03.82
Right now she's
convinced that God is leading me
00:29:03.85\00:29:06.01
and that is a blessing to me.
00:29:06.04\00:29:07.45
Praise the Lord.
00:29:07.48\00:29:08.51
So you decided to be a
minister and how did that go?
00:29:08.54\00:29:14.00
It didn't go well at all.
00:29:14.03\00:29:16.34
When my mom heard
00:29:16.37\00:29:17.77
that I decided to go
into ministry she said,
00:29:17.80\00:29:21.13
you're gonna starve,
00:29:21.16\00:29:23.22
you're gonna die with
a cent in your pocket.
00:29:23.25\00:29:26.73
You're gonna die with a cent?
00:29:26.76\00:29:28.31
Without a cent.
00:29:28.34\00:29:29.45
Oh, without a
cent in your pocket.
00:29:29.48\00:29:30.73
Wow.
00:29:30.76\00:29:32.58
She was convinced that,
00:29:32.61\00:29:33.94
that was not the kind
of career I shall choose.
00:29:33.97\00:29:37.62
I was very
proficient in mathematics.
00:29:37.65\00:29:41.90
So the first thing
that came into her mind was,
00:29:41.93\00:29:44.32
you had to be an engineer.
00:29:44.35\00:29:45.75
Okay. You have
to be an engineer.
00:29:45.78\00:29:47.28
Go and study computers.
You know a lot about that.
00:29:47.31\00:29:49.78
You like them.
00:29:49.81\00:29:51.50
But I said, mom,
00:29:51.53\00:29:53.30
this is what God
is asking me to do
00:29:53.33\00:29:55.10
and this is what
I'm gonna be doing.
00:29:55.13\00:29:56.90
And when I told her the
first time I just said mom,
00:29:56.93\00:30:01.28
I want to study theology,
00:30:01.31\00:30:03.06
that was a
nuclear bomb right there.
00:30:03.09\00:30:05.21
Wow.
00:30:05.24\00:30:06.29
It took me like two
months to actually say
00:30:06.32\00:30:10.11
something that
make sense to her.
00:30:10.14\00:30:11.77
I came to her,
00:30:11.80\00:30:13.26
she was actually
arguing with me about it
00:30:13.29\00:30:15.90
and she said,
you're gonna die starving
00:30:15.93\00:30:18.02
because you're not
gonna get enough money
00:30:18.05\00:30:19.59
to cover your expenses.
00:30:19.62\00:30:21.30
And I said mom,
00:30:21.33\00:30:22.87
I'm gonna say
you this only once.
00:30:22.90\00:30:25.76
God told me that
that is what I've to do
00:30:25.79\00:30:28.36
because that is
what He needs to be doing
00:30:28.39\00:30:31.84
and that is
exactly what I'm gonna do.
00:30:31.87\00:30:33.80
Once I said those words
that God was the one calling me,
00:30:33.83\00:30:37.50
no problems
whatsoever, she accepted it.
00:30:37.53\00:30:39.70
She accepted
it, praise the Lord.
00:30:39.73\00:30:41.80
She wasn't happy
though, she accepted it.
00:30:41.83\00:30:43.70
Well, we can
praise the Lord for that.
00:30:43.73\00:30:45.86
How did you understand that
00:30:45.89\00:30:48.55
that is what God
wanted you to do?
00:30:48.58\00:30:50.74
I mean, there
was the first message
00:30:50.77\00:30:54.98
from the person that was saying,
00:30:55.01\00:30:56.89
hey, he's gonna be a
pastor, that person right there.
00:30:56.92\00:31:00.07
You said that you were sure--
00:31:00.10\00:31:01.79
that's what God
wanted you to do.
00:31:01.82\00:31:03.33
Was there a dream?
00:31:03.36\00:31:04.40
Was there a
message in your mind?
00:31:04.43\00:31:06.78
Was there an audible voice?
How did you understand that?
00:31:06.81\00:31:08.98
It wasn't an audible voice.
00:31:09.01\00:31:10.94
When I heard the professor
00:31:10.97\00:31:12.23
I distinguished
the voice, let's say.
00:31:12.26\00:31:15.19
I knew something was different,
00:31:15.22\00:31:16.54
that wasn't him and I was--
and I heard that voice before.
00:31:16.57\00:31:19.80
So since that moment I knew
it was God talking through him.
00:31:19.83\00:31:23.49
And since that moment
on I just had the natural
00:31:23.52\00:31:27.02
or that is what I was born to do
00:31:27.05\00:31:29.73
and that is what
I was going to do.
00:31:29.76\00:31:31.95
So I didn't question
it, I just accept it.
00:31:31.98\00:31:35.11
Since that moment on I knew
I was going to be a theologian.
00:31:35.14\00:31:38.00
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:31:38.03\00:31:39.62
Well, you're graduation.
00:31:39.65\00:31:42.69
Anything you can
share about that?
00:31:42.72\00:31:45.10
My graduation was on a Sabbath,
00:31:45.13\00:31:48.63
on a Saturday afternoon.
00:31:48.66\00:31:49.98
From that traditional school.
00:31:50.01\00:31:51.23
From that school.
00:31:51.26\00:31:52.70
Yes. Okay.
00:31:52.73\00:31:54.25
And I told my
professors that I'll not attend.
00:31:54.28\00:31:57.24
And when they
ask me why, I said,
00:31:57.27\00:31:59.32
well, because the Bible says
00:31:59.35\00:32:01.45
that Christians
should keep the Sabbath
00:32:01.48\00:32:03.42
because that is the day
that God consecrated for Him.
00:32:03.45\00:32:06.68
And they said, we
don't believe that.
00:32:06.71\00:32:08.81
We believe the day we
shall keep is the Sunday,
00:32:08.84\00:32:12.30
but we'll accept that.
00:32:12.33\00:32:13.46
And I said well,
00:32:13.49\00:32:15.22
I'll not go and
they said you should go,
00:32:15.25\00:32:16.51
you have to go.
00:32:16.54\00:32:17.59
And I said, I will not.
00:32:17.62\00:32:19.12
So I talked to
mom and I said, mom,
00:32:19.15\00:32:20.67
I'm not gonna go
to do my graduation.
00:32:20.70\00:32:23.01
She was devastated. Wow.
00:32:23.04\00:32:25.32
But some days after the director
00:32:25.35\00:32:29.35
of the school came to me
00:32:29.38\00:32:30.57
and she asked to explain
the situation and I said,
00:32:30.60\00:32:34.04
I believe in the
Bible and I'm a Christian
00:32:34.07\00:32:35.85
and I will like
to keep the Sabbath.
00:32:35.88\00:32:37.89
I'll not break the
Sabbath for my graduation.
00:32:37.92\00:32:40.05
And she said, well, the
ceremony is going to start,
00:32:40.08\00:32:43.38
what you call the Sabbath
but it's gonna end after that.
00:32:43.41\00:32:46.65
So can you come
after the Sabbath passes
00:32:46.68\00:32:48.71
and I said I would.
00:32:48.74\00:32:49.95
Now let me ask you a question.
00:32:49.98\00:32:51.08
You're saying that,
she said the ceremony
00:32:51.11\00:32:53.38
is going to start--
00:32:53.41\00:32:55.11
she knew your
belief on the Sabbath
00:32:55.14\00:32:57.67
that after sunset on Saturday,
00:32:57.70\00:33:00.74
the next day
begins, Sunday begins,
00:33:00.77\00:33:03.27
the evening of
Saturday is Sunday.
00:33:03.30\00:33:05.89
So she-- did you tell
her that time or she already?
00:33:05.92\00:33:09.88
Well, I actually told
her-- You had told her.
00:33:09.91\00:33:11.57
My beliefs about the Sabbath
00:33:11.60\00:33:13.49
and how this Sabbath
starts on Friday afternoon
00:33:13.52\00:33:17.13
and ends on the
Saturday afternoon.
00:33:17.16\00:33:19.28
So she knew at that
moment what I was talking about.
00:33:19.31\00:33:22.73
So when you-- what was
your reaction to her offer?
00:33:22.76\00:33:27.54
Well, I said,
well, if that is the case
00:33:27.57\00:33:29.33
than I'm willing to
go to the graduation
00:33:29.36\00:33:31.68
but I'm just
gonna tell you this,
00:33:31.71\00:33:33.42
I'm gonna-- I'm gonna go exactly
00:33:33.45\00:33:35.93
after the Sabbath has
passed and that's what I did.
00:33:35.96\00:33:40.22
That Sabbath I was
actually listening to my music,
00:33:40.25\00:33:42.98
my Christian
music in the computer
00:33:43.01\00:33:44.33
and my mom was
exceedingly worried.
00:33:44.36\00:33:46.71
She was saying
every five or ten minutes,
00:33:46.74\00:33:49.41
just go ahead take a
shower and get dress.
00:33:49.44\00:33:52.80
Just get ready.
00:33:52.83\00:33:53.93
So as soon as the
suns come down we can go.
00:33:53.96\00:33:57.33
And I said, mom,
00:33:57.36\00:33:58.70
this is my personal
day to be with Christ.
00:33:58.73\00:34:01.97
I don't want to worry
and I don't worry to rush it.
00:34:02.00\00:34:04.14
Let me enjoy this blessing.
00:34:04.17\00:34:06.49
And right when I
finished my devotional
00:34:06.52\00:34:09.15
for the end of the Sabbath
and I started the new week,
00:34:09.18\00:34:11.87
than I went and
shower, take my clothes on,
00:34:11.90\00:34:14.84
putting on and then
arrived to the graduation.
00:34:14.87\00:34:18.83
When I opened the
door I was actually
00:34:18.86\00:34:20.87
the last name been
called in the list.
00:34:20.90\00:34:24.50
And when all my friends
saw me approaching the door,
00:34:24.53\00:34:28.36
actually entering the door,
they all stand up clapping.
00:34:28.39\00:34:31.82
They did?
Thankfully that I was--
00:34:31.85\00:34:34.43
that I made it
to the graduation.
00:34:34.46\00:34:35.92
Praise the Lord. Amen.
00:34:35.95\00:34:37.40
At the end of the ceremony
00:34:37.43\00:34:39.89
a couple of parents came to me
00:34:39.92\00:34:41.43
and actually ask me
about why I was late.
00:34:41.46\00:34:44.13
And I had the
opportunity to share my beliefs.
00:34:44.16\00:34:46.35
I said, I was late
because I didn't want to break
00:34:46.38\00:34:49.08
the Sabbath,
the Sabbath is holy.
00:34:49.11\00:34:51.30
And they were very impressed
00:34:51.33\00:34:52.80
and that
something that I actually,
00:34:52.83\00:34:55.58
that I thank God for
giving me the opportunity.
00:34:55.61\00:34:58.53
Amen. Amen.
00:34:58.56\00:34:59.93
So you began your
studies as a minister.
00:34:59.96\00:35:02.86
You begin that in
Dominican Republic?
00:35:02.89\00:35:04.55
No I didn't.
00:35:04.58\00:35:06.14
My, my original intension
was to go Andrews in Michigan
00:35:06.17\00:35:09.59
where I'm studying right now.
00:35:09.62\00:35:11.24
But when I was praying about it
00:35:11.27\00:35:12.71
God said clearly that's
not the place you're gonna go,
00:35:12.74\00:35:15.61
you're gonna somewhere else.
00:35:15.64\00:35:16.73
I didn't know
where but I just knew
00:35:16.76\00:35:18.91
I was gonna to another place.
00:35:18.94\00:35:21.36
And somehow I got
connected with somebody
00:35:21.39\00:35:24.29
that I was studying at Andrews
00:35:24.32\00:35:26.07
that suggested me
to go Puerto Rico.
00:35:26.10\00:35:28.26
Okay.
00:35:28.29\00:35:29.32
And when I
received that message,
00:35:29.35\00:35:33.09
God than told me that's
the place you have to go
00:35:33.12\00:35:36.03
and I decided to
go to Puerto Rico.
00:35:36.06\00:35:37.90
Then I got my bachelors
degree in theology there.
00:35:37.93\00:35:40.40
Praise the Lord.
00:35:40.43\00:35:41.50
So you went to the--
00:35:41.53\00:35:42.93
Mayaguez Seventh-day
Adventist University?
00:35:42.96\00:35:44.75
I did, Antillean.
00:35:44.78\00:35:46.17
Antillean
Seventh-day Adventist University
00:35:46.20\00:35:48.62
in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico.
00:35:48.65\00:35:49.88
Yes. Praise the Lord.
00:35:49.91\00:35:51.01
So now you're in the
United States of America.
00:35:51.04\00:35:56.96
I think earlier this--
00:35:56.99\00:35:58.82
earlier this
year you participated
00:35:58.85\00:36:03.26
in one of 3ABN
Latinos events in Chicago
00:36:03.29\00:36:07.63
and we invited you
to preach one sermon.
00:36:07.66\00:36:10.43
Yes.
00:36:10.46\00:36:12.63
What was your reaction
00:36:12.66\00:36:13.98
when you
received the invitation?
00:36:14.01\00:36:17.99
I was shocked.
00:36:18.02\00:36:20.37
I've never been behind a camera
00:36:20.40\00:36:23.39
for something
different than an interview
00:36:23.42\00:36:27.02
just like this one.
00:36:27.05\00:36:28.13
And it's not
the same experience.
00:36:28.16\00:36:30.76
When you're behind
a camera you actually,
00:36:30.79\00:36:33.09
I'll ease myself, I
get a little worried.
00:36:33.12\00:36:35.41
In front of the camera?
Yeah, in front of the camera.
00:36:35.44\00:36:37.52
For me it's easy
to talk to the people
00:36:37.55\00:36:39.87
than talk to a
camera, I don't know why.
00:36:39.90\00:36:42.45
And it has been
difficult to me to do it
00:36:42.48\00:36:45.37
but when I hear
that I got an invitation
00:36:45.40\00:36:48.69
to preach in front of a camera
00:36:48.72\00:36:50.37
in one of the
main events of 3ABN
00:36:50.40\00:36:52.67
I was very grateful
but at the same time
00:36:52.70\00:36:54.42
I was very, very worried.
00:36:54.45\00:36:56.73
Well, praise the Lord.
I remember the message.
00:36:56.76\00:36:59.41
It was a message from
the Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:36:59.44\00:37:02.42
We are grateful
for your participation.
00:37:02.45\00:37:04.99
And do you believe then
00:37:05.02\00:37:06.24
that the Lord is
leading your life?
00:37:06.27\00:37:08.10
Of course without doubt.
00:37:08.13\00:37:10.21
Without doubt
He has been the One
00:37:10.24\00:37:13.41
pulling and pushing
the Cruz all the way.
00:37:13.44\00:37:17.10
Amen.
00:37:17.13\00:37:18.29
Well, I guess we
should reveal to our friends
00:37:18.32\00:37:23.06
that are listening and watching
00:37:23.09\00:37:25.87
if you have been starving
00:37:25.90\00:37:28.35
as what
prophesized by your mother
00:37:28.38\00:37:30.61
or would you say the
Lord has blessed you?
00:37:30.64\00:37:33.64
Well, to be
very honest with you,
00:37:33.67\00:37:36.02
there's no one thing
I have been in need off
00:37:36.05\00:37:38.67
that I haven't received.
00:37:38.70\00:37:39.89
Sometimes in a miracles way
00:37:39.92\00:37:41.28
that I not even
myself can explain so far.
00:37:41.31\00:37:44.18
So I will tell you very honestly
00:37:44.21\00:37:46.72
that the prophecy
that my mom told me
00:37:46.75\00:37:51.52
is not been fulfilled.
00:37:51.55\00:37:52.79
God has been really good to me.
00:37:52.82\00:37:54.83
So we see--
00:37:54.86\00:37:56.11
I'm thinking of
Psalms 34 where it says,
00:37:56.14\00:37:58.17
"The Lord will
bless you in such a way
00:37:58.20\00:38:01.30
that you will not
lack any good thing."
00:38:01.33\00:38:03.43
So we praise the Lord for that.
00:38:03.46\00:38:04.65
That is my experience
00:38:04.68\00:38:06.00
and I think that's
what God wants to do
00:38:06.03\00:38:08.46
to every human
being in this world.
00:38:08.49\00:38:10.60
Amen. Amen.
00:38:10.63\00:38:11.76
Well, at this
point we know that you,
00:38:11.79\00:38:14.20
you were pastoring
a church in Michigan.
00:38:14.23\00:38:16.54
Where was this in Michigan?
In Grand Rapids, Michigan.
00:38:16.57\00:38:19.13
Grand Rapids,
Michigan, a Spanish church.
00:38:19.16\00:38:20.66
Yeah, it was a
Spanish church, Maranatha.
00:38:20.69\00:38:22.75
Maranatha Spanish Church
in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
00:38:22.78\00:38:26.13
Well, then you are now studying.
00:38:26.16\00:38:28.73
You continue your studies.
00:38:28.76\00:38:29.79
What are you studying currently?
00:38:29.82\00:38:31.22
I'm finishing a master's
degree in systematic theology.
00:38:31.25\00:38:35.85
Right now I'm writing the thesis
00:38:35.88\00:38:37.14
and I'm planning to go into
my Phd in theological ethics
00:38:37.17\00:38:40.77
as soon as I finish the thesis
that probably is gonna go on
00:38:40.80\00:38:45.80
until January or
February of next year.
00:38:45.83\00:38:51.53
I would like to know
00:38:51.56\00:38:52.59
because the way
you're expressing yourself
00:38:52.62\00:38:55.75
is that God is
leading your life,
00:38:55.78\00:38:58.23
you graduate in Puerto Rico.
00:38:58.26\00:38:59.68
Yes.
00:38:59.71\00:39:00.74
How did you get to Michigan?
00:39:00.77\00:39:03.37
How did the Lord
say, Pastor Carlos Cruz,
00:39:03.40\00:39:06.51
now he's going to Michigan
00:39:06.54\00:39:07.59
or was there
another place before this?
00:39:07.62\00:39:09.46
Actually no.
00:39:09.49\00:39:11.19
When I was
studying in Puerto Rico
00:39:11.22\00:39:12.96
I remember one year
before finishing I ask Him,
00:39:12.99\00:39:17.08
I'm about to finish, Lord.
00:39:17.11\00:39:18.33
What do You want me to do now?
00:39:18.36\00:39:20.20
And He said,
you're gonna go and study.
00:39:20.23\00:39:22.67
And I said, that
is a wonderful idea.
00:39:22.70\00:39:24.60
What do You want me to study?
00:39:24.63\00:39:26.31
And He said,
well, you're gonna study
00:39:26.34\00:39:27.66
systematic
theology in New Testament.
00:39:27.69\00:39:30.30
And I said, well, that
sounds like a good deal.
00:39:30.33\00:39:32.49
And when I finished that,
what do You want me to do?
00:39:32.52\00:39:34.96
And He said, as
soon you get there,
00:39:34.99\00:39:37.25
two years from now
I'm gonna tell you exactly
00:39:37.28\00:39:40.04
what you have to do.
00:39:40.07\00:39:41.10
So just go there and
do what I'm asking you.
00:39:41.13\00:39:44.31
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:39:44.34\00:39:46.34
So God is leading
your life? Yes, He is.
00:39:46.37\00:39:49.09
Well, we'll be--
00:39:49.12\00:39:50.29
hopefully we can do
another part to this
00:39:50.32\00:39:52.48
and see how the
Lord has led in your life
00:39:52.51\00:39:54.98
but you have said
the Lord has blessed you
00:39:55.01\00:39:56.75
and you seem to
have this firm belief
00:39:56.78\00:39:59.99
that God performs miracles.
00:40:00.02\00:40:01.61
Oh, yes.
00:40:01.64\00:40:02.69
Would you share
one of those with us?
00:40:02.72\00:40:07.06
Which one?
00:40:07.09\00:40:09.41
Well, first of all I do believe
in different kind of miracles.
00:40:09.44\00:40:13.30
I do not believe that
the only kind of miracles
00:40:13.33\00:40:15.91
that God does is resurrecting
someone from the death.
00:40:15.94\00:40:19.75
In fact, I believe
the most difficult miracle
00:40:19.78\00:40:21.95
God can do is
actually to transform a heart
00:40:21.98\00:40:25.57
because at the end of
the day the dust is not--
00:40:25.60\00:40:30.83
even though it's organic
00:40:30.86\00:40:32.05
it actually
responds to God's word.
00:40:32.08\00:40:34.35
The truest
respond to God's word,
00:40:34.38\00:40:36.95
but the heart not
necessarily always do that.
00:40:36.98\00:40:40.53
So the biggest miracle
00:40:40.56\00:40:42.70
that I've seen is
my own transformation,
00:40:42.73\00:40:45.07
the transformation of
the people that I love.
00:40:45.10\00:40:47.42
Amen.
00:40:47.45\00:40:49.08
There are miracles that I
can mention about protection.
00:40:49.11\00:40:52.42
God sending His
angels to save me
00:40:52.45\00:40:55.32
from different
dangerous situations.
00:40:55.35\00:41:00.86
For example, one
time in Puerto Rico
00:41:00.89\00:41:02.26
when I was studying
I was very troubled.
00:41:02.29\00:41:05.24
I remember that, that week
I was preaching in a church
00:41:05.27\00:41:08.76
and my heart was
very, very, very troubled
00:41:08.79\00:41:11.70
for some
situations I was dealing with.
00:41:11.73\00:41:14.03
And I went to a wig tree
that we have at the university
00:41:14.06\00:41:18.09
that we call the seva,
00:41:18.12\00:41:19.68
it's a
humungous tree, humungous.
00:41:19.71\00:41:22.65
And I pray to
God and I put to God
00:41:22.68\00:41:24.49
and I said, God, I
really need Your help.
00:41:24.52\00:41:26.16
I really need to
see the angels now.
00:41:26.19\00:41:28.28
I really need to see that
00:41:28.31\00:41:30.80
You're with me in the midst
of this difficult situation.
00:41:30.83\00:41:34.23
When I opened my eyes
00:41:34.26\00:41:35.32
I saw the angels
surrounding the camping,
00:41:35.35\00:41:38.19
forming a circle around me
00:41:38.22\00:41:39.78
and that was one of the
most beautiful experiences
00:41:39.81\00:41:42.80
I've ever had in my life.
00:41:42.83\00:41:44.26
Praise the Lord. Yes.
00:41:44.29\00:41:45.36
Praise the Lord.
00:41:45.39\00:41:46.44
Well, we're
praising the Lord for that.
00:41:46.47\00:41:49.53
It's amazing how God works.
00:41:49.56\00:41:51.21
He works in each
individual's life
00:41:51.24\00:41:53.68
and as we give
the Lord opportunity,
00:41:53.71\00:41:58.77
He does more for us.
00:41:58.80\00:41:59.84
Sure.
00:41:59.87\00:42:00.94
And, but also it
is an opportunity
00:42:00.97\00:42:03.36
for us to praise Him
00:42:03.39\00:42:04.67
because He does so
many wonderful things.
00:42:04.70\00:42:07.86
I think, I can safely say
00:42:07.89\00:42:09.62
that there's not
a day that passes
00:42:09.65\00:42:10.96
by where the Lord
does not perform a blessing
00:42:10.99\00:42:15.77
for us in some way,
many blessing every day.
00:42:15.80\00:42:20.06
So as we open our hearts to Him,
00:42:20.09\00:42:23.51
it's like it gives
permission for Him to say,
00:42:23.54\00:42:26.73
I'll now show
you something more.
00:42:26.76\00:42:28.71
We're the ones
that set the limit.
00:42:28.74\00:42:30.65
We're the one--
it has very well put.
00:42:30.68\00:42:32.45
God, God, it's able to bestow
all the blessing of heaven
00:42:32.48\00:42:37.57
if we ask for
them and if we believe
00:42:37.60\00:42:40.23
that He wants to do it.
00:42:40.26\00:42:41.80
So at the end of the day,
00:42:41.83\00:42:43.06
the ones that limit to
God is not Himself, it's us.
00:42:43.09\00:42:48.56
So if we change our
attitude towards Him,
00:42:48.59\00:42:51.31
we'll actually
see, we'll be witness
00:42:51.34\00:42:54.29
of the wonderful
things that He has to do
00:42:54.32\00:42:56.52
and that He wants to do.
00:42:56.55\00:42:58.41
Now what is your desire?
00:42:58.44\00:42:59.75
You're studying,
you're preparing yourself,
00:42:59.78\00:43:03.20
do you have some goal in mind
00:43:03.23\00:43:05.82
or are you waiting for the Lord?
00:43:05.85\00:43:08.88
You said the Lord
is gonna will reveal
00:43:08.91\00:43:10.80
to you what's next.
00:43:10.83\00:43:12.42
Well, to be honest with
you, my passion is teaching.
00:43:12.45\00:43:16.22
But I do that
whatever, whenever I go
00:43:16.25\00:43:18.91
and whatever I
have the opportunity.
00:43:18.94\00:43:21.65
When God brought me
to Michigan to study,
00:43:21.68\00:43:25.52
right after I started
studying, a year after that
00:43:25.55\00:43:29.05
He told me that I
was going to be a pastor.
00:43:29.08\00:43:31.06
In a year after that I was
actually pastoring a church.
00:43:31.09\00:43:35.42
While I was pastoring the church
00:43:35.45\00:43:36.82
I was actually teaching.
00:43:36.85\00:43:38.69
So I can tell you
that, that is my passion
00:43:38.72\00:43:40.93
but at the end of the day
00:43:40.96\00:43:42.00
I'm not the one
deciding where I'm gonna be.
00:43:42.03\00:43:44.78
I do whatever He asks me to do.
00:43:44.81\00:43:46.79
Amen. Amen.
00:43:46.82\00:43:49.95
when you give
evangelistic campaigns,
00:43:49.98\00:43:53.62
seminars, do you
do any in English?
00:43:53.65\00:43:56.21
Our viewers, I'm
sure want to know,
00:43:56.24\00:43:58.08
does he also do this
English or is it just Spanish?
00:43:58.11\00:44:02.08
I have participated in
some events in English.
00:44:02.11\00:44:07.55
I've given some series about
the Great Controversy theme
00:44:07.58\00:44:10.35
and the writings
E.G. White for example
00:44:10.38\00:44:12.20
and in the Bible in English.
00:44:12.23\00:44:15.72
And I had presented in
other activities in English.
00:44:15.75\00:44:21.28
It's not I'm not used to it,
00:44:21.31\00:44:23.35
but I'd be happy
to do it if necessary.
00:44:23.38\00:44:26.14
Okay.
00:44:26.17\00:44:27.20
What types of
seminars or teachings do you--
00:44:27.23\00:44:31.16
you mentioned the
Great Controversies.
00:44:31.19\00:44:32.60
Yes.
00:44:32.63\00:44:33.93
Do you have-- it
seems like the Lord takes us
00:44:33.96\00:44:38.16
thorough a different teachings,
currently I will say that way,
00:44:38.19\00:44:43.11
currently if you were
invited to speak somewhere
00:44:43.14\00:44:47.69
what would be the
concentration of your message?
00:44:47.72\00:44:51.10
Right now at this
moment it will be the love,
00:44:51.13\00:44:53.77
the immense love
of God right now.
00:44:53.80\00:44:57.65
I believe that is the topic
that can summarize everything
00:44:57.68\00:45:00.88
that has at
going on in the Bible
00:45:00.91\00:45:03.33
and in my life, that's it.
00:45:03.36\00:45:06.31
Well, praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:45:06.34\00:45:08.09
Well, when we look at the Bible
00:45:08.12\00:45:11.06
we see that God's universe runs
on the great principle of love.
00:45:11.09\00:45:18.23
And you know, we even see
00:45:18.26\00:45:20.78
the scriptures
tell us God is love.
00:45:20.81\00:45:24.66
And then, you know,
the two great commandments
00:45:24.69\00:45:28.23
as summarized that
love the Lord your God
00:45:28.26\00:45:31.52
with all your
heart, with all your mind,
00:45:31.55\00:45:33.00
with all of your soul and
your neighbor as yourself.
00:45:33.03\00:45:35.61
Love your neighbor
as you love yourself.
00:45:35.64\00:45:38.42
Give us a little
snippet about God's love that,
00:45:38.45\00:45:45.34
that has impacted you.
00:45:45.37\00:45:46.75
Well, I believe the center,
00:45:46.78\00:45:49.56
the real center, the
ethical center of the Bible
00:45:49.59\00:45:52.04
is actually the
principle of love.
00:45:52.07\00:45:54.19
As thesis
summarized it, it is the same,
00:45:54.22\00:45:57.55
the basic
principle that intertwines
00:45:57.58\00:45:59.94
in all the commandments.
00:45:59.97\00:46:01.70
Half of them have to be
deal directly, let's say,
00:46:01.73\00:46:05.18
would God and the
other have with our neighbor.
00:46:05.21\00:46:08.85
So basically God is
trying to restore us
00:46:08.88\00:46:12.55
to that first principle
that we use to believe in,
00:46:12.58\00:46:16.17
that we used to practice
when we were created at first.
00:46:16.20\00:46:19.90
So the purpose of the
Bible as a whole is to show God
00:46:19.93\00:46:24.81
and how He is trying to
restore the human beings
00:46:24.84\00:46:27.56
into that principle of love
00:46:27.59\00:46:29.43
and to that connection with
Him and for me that is amazing.
00:46:29.46\00:46:33.35
Amen. Amen.
00:46:33.38\00:46:34.57
And truly I
believe it is also amazing
00:46:34.60\00:46:36.84
and so I think the
more you study God's love
00:46:36.87\00:46:39.47
the more amazed you will be.
00:46:39.50\00:46:41.06
And so I encourage
everyone to look at this topic.
00:46:41.09\00:46:46.07
I mean, its never ending
00:46:46.10\00:46:48.53
let's say to consider God's love
00:46:48.56\00:46:50.03
and His magnitude of His love
and the expression of His love
00:46:50.06\00:46:53.89
and it will not surprise me
that we'll have all eternity
00:46:53.92\00:46:57.78
to continue
looking into God's love.
00:46:57.81\00:47:00.59
Amen.
00:47:00.62\00:47:01.70
Well, Pastor Cruz,
00:47:01.73\00:47:02.86
we like to share your contact
information at this time.
00:47:02.89\00:47:06.10
And so for those of you
00:47:06.13\00:47:08.05
that would like to
contact Pastor Cruz
00:47:08.08\00:47:09.65
here's the
information you will need.
00:47:09.68\00:47:11.68
If you would like
to contact Pastor Cruz,
00:47:13.74\00:47:15.72
then you can
write to Carlos Cruz,
00:47:15.75\00:47:18.12
5079 West Bluffview Drive,
00:47:18.15\00:47:21.31
Berrien
Springs, Michigan, 49103.
00:47:21.34\00:47:25.02
That's Carlos Cruz,
5079 West Bluffview Drive,
00:47:25.05\00:47:30.57
Berrien
Springs, Michigan, 49103.
00:47:30.60\00:47:34.06
You can call 269-779-6932.
00:47:34.09\00:47:38.54
That's 269-779-6932
00:47:38.57\00:47:43.41
or you can email him
at pr.ccruz@gmail.com.
00:47:43.44\00:47:50.37
That's pr.ccruz@gmail.com.
00:47:50.40\00:47:56.36
Very good.
00:47:58.04\00:47:59.10
Now we hope you were
able to jot all that down
00:47:59.13\00:48:00.90
and if not you can
contact us at 3ABN.
00:48:00.93\00:48:04.08
Well, at this time we would like
00:48:04.11\00:48:05.17
to share another
musical offering with you
00:48:05.20\00:48:08.27
and we would
like to encourage you
00:48:08.30\00:48:09.38
to listen to the words
as Sandra Entermann sings,
00:48:09.41\00:48:12.28
"You Gave Me Love."
00:48:12.31\00:48:14.74
You gave me time
00:48:28.77\00:48:31.42
When no one gave me time of day
00:48:31.45\00:48:36.29
You looked deep inside
00:48:40.65\00:48:43.58
While the rest of
the world looked away
00:48:43.61\00:48:49.11
You smiled at me
00:48:52.86\00:48:55.68
When there were
just frowns everywhere
00:48:55.71\00:49:01.08
You gave me love
00:49:05.26\00:49:07.91
When nobody gave me a prayer
00:49:07.94\00:49:13.18
That's why I call You Savior
00:49:17.57\00:49:23.41
That's why I call You Friend
00:49:23.44\00:49:29.38
You touched my heart
00:49:29.41\00:49:32.57
You touched my soul
00:49:32.60\00:49:35.25
And helped me
start all over again
00:49:35.28\00:49:41.69
That's why I love You, Jesus
00:49:41.72\00:49:47.81
That's why I'll always care
00:49:47.84\00:49:54.21
You gave me love
00:49:54.24\00:49:56.90
When nobody gave me a prayer
00:49:56.93\00:50:02.17
You gave me laughter
00:50:06.54\00:50:09.63
After I cried all of my tears
00:50:09.66\00:50:15.86
You heard my dreams
00:50:18.59\00:50:21.31
While the rest of
the world closed its ears
00:50:21.34\00:50:26.70
I looked in Your eyes
00:50:30.22\00:50:33.21
And I found
such tenderness there
00:50:33.24\00:50:38.80
You gave me love
00:50:42.30\00:50:44.84
When nobody gave me a prayer
00:50:44.87\00:50:50.33
And that's why I call You Savior
00:50:53.95\00:50:59.96
That's why I call You Friend
00:50:59.99\00:51:05.84
You touched my heart
00:51:05.87\00:51:08.93
You touched my soul
00:51:08.96\00:51:11.61
And helped me
start all over again
00:51:11.64\00:51:17.85
That's why I love You, Jesus
00:51:17.88\00:51:23.75
That's why I'll always care
00:51:23.78\00:51:29.96
You gave me love
00:51:29.99\00:51:32.57
When nobody gave me a prayer
00:51:32.60\00:51:38.32
And that's why I call You Savior
00:51:41.45\00:51:47.65
That's why I call You Friend
00:51:47.68\00:51:53.58
You touched my heart
00:51:53.61\00:51:56.50
You touched my soul
00:51:56.53\00:51:59.21
And helped me
start all over again
00:51:59.24\00:52:05.50
That's why I love You, Jesus
00:52:05.53\00:52:11.31
That's why I'll always care
00:52:11.34\00:52:18.55
You gave me love
00:52:18.58\00:52:21.51
When nobody gave me a prayer
00:52:21.54\00:52:27.68