Welcome to The Creator Revealed.
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My name is Tim
Standish, and I'm a scientist.
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One of the major questions
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that get raised with
me on a regular basis is,
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how can you be a
scientist and believe the Bible.
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What's going on there
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and that is what we are
going to examine a little bit
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in this particular
episode of The Creator Revealed.
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Well, I'm Shelley Quinn,
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and we're so glad
that you're joining us,
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and it is
wonderful to be with someone
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who have so much education
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and experience
in science and yet,
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who is a Bible
believing six-day creationist.
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So we look
forward to this episode.
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Sometimes I respond
to that question with...
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Well, why wouldn't
I believe the Bible?
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The Bible is a
book about reality
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and as a scientist,
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hey, reality that's
what I'm interested in.
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You know, I just
wanna comment on that
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'cause so many people
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don't see the reality
of it all but there is...
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You know, when you look
at the internal evidence
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as far as the
cohesiveness of the story
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when you look at
the external evidence,
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when you look at
the Dead Sea Scrolls,
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when you look
what the archaeologists
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are uncovering
that continually prove
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there's so much that proves
that, that the Bible is real.
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Well, yes, you know,
the Bible presents itself
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as a book about reality,
and a record of history.
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You know, when we talk
about the creation account
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that's given
there, it is laid out
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just like the
rest of the history
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in the Bible.
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And as you pointed out,
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the science of
archaeology has certainly
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presented us with
pretty amazing evidence.
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That history is
very, very reliable.
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And there's more than that,
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this history that's
given in Scripture is...
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It is hopeful history,
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it's not history
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that you
wouldn't want to believe,
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it's not gloom
and doom or something,
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it's not saying,
we're all going to die
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and that'll be the end
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or anything like that.
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There is this beautiful
history that's laid out,
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the past, the present,
and the future that's there.
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But it's not a
kind of airy-fairy
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theological book really,
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even though we tend to
think about it that way.
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No, it's about the facts,
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it's about what
people saw happen,
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it's a record of God's
action throughout history,
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you can certainly
think about it that way.
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And by the way,
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I would certainly be happy
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to believe other
historical sources.
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For example, if I went to Egypt,
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and there was a pyramid
with something that said,
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I the Pharaoh, who built
this, did these great things.
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I tend to believe that,
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well, why would
I treat the Bible
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as a less reliable
historical resource
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than some Pharaoh
bragging about himself?
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Well, let's launch into this,
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and I want to start
to illustrate this point
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with 1 John 1:1-3.
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Let's just look at
what's being said here
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by the Apostle John.
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He says, "That which
was from the beginning,
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which we have heard,
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which we have
seen with our eyes,
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which we have
looked upon with our hands,
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sorry, looked upon and
our hands have handled,
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concerning the Word of
life- the life was manifested,
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and we have
seen, and bear witness,
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and declare to
you that eternal life
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which was with the
Father and was manifested to us,
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that which we have seen
and heard we declare to you,
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that you also may
have fellowship with us,
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and truly our
fellowship is with the Father
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and with His Son Jesus Christ."
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Eyewitness
account. Eyewitness account.
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Science is about
empirical evidence
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or empirical data,
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stuff that has been
observed with our senses
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what we have seen,
what we have heard,
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science is built
off that foundation.
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The Bible is built off
exactly the same foundation.
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People say that Bible
isn't a book of science.
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Well, why isn't it?
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It's about empirical observation
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and certainly that is true
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when it comes to the
case of the situation
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with Jesus Christ and
the resurrection and so on.
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I've highlighted
these different words
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on the screen here,
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all these words that have to
do with our empirical senses.
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Yeah, John is really into this.
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I, John saw things
here, in the Revelation,
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that's the Bible.
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Now,
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I want to point out
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that not all belief
systems are like this,
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and I want to be
careful about it.
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This is not to put
other belief systems down.
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I'm just saying,
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other belief
systems are built off
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a different
understanding of reality.
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So I want to
give you this example,
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from the Hindu faith,
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this is in one of
the important books
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for Hindus that says,
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"Just as the world
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and its creation
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are mere appearances,
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a moment and an epoch
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are also imaginary, not real."
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You see in this
particular view of things,
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what we take in
through our senses
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is an illusion.
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But in the Christian
faith, we say no, no, no.
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What we take in
through our senses
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is a reliable.
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That's reliable
information about the world
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in which we live.
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Very, very different things.
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Can you see
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why it is that science
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was built off
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this kind of
foundational understanding
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that Christians have.
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I don't want to say that
because people were Christians,
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they became scientists.
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But certainly
Christianity provides that
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metaphysical foundation
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that is necessary to do science.
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An intangible evidence.
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Yeah. Evidences.
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So here's an example,
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Francis Bacon
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is one of the
founders of modern science
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and he wrote this, he said,
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"To conclude,
therefore, let no man
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out of weak conceit of sobriety,
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or an ill-applied moderation,
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think or maintain, that
a man can search too far
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or be too well studied
in the book of God's word,
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or in the book of God's works,
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divinity or philosophy,
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but rather let man endeavor
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an endless progress
or proficience in both."
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Amen!
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No, this is old
English, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Francis Bacon lived
hundreds of years ago,
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but he laid out this
philosophical foundation
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that sort of moved
in the direction then
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of the way we
understand science today.
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You can see, he is
not discounting the Bible,
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or the creation,
the nature itself.
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He's saying, hey, these
things go together in some way
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and we can
understand that we should do.
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Oh! Kepler,
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one of the fathers
of modern astronomy.
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He was a priest.
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He was a priest, basically.
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I believe he was Catholic. Okay.
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And so he wrote,
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"These laws are within the grasp
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of the human mind,
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God wanted us to recognize them
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by creating us
after his own image
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so that we could
share his own thoughts."
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So as he was
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sort of
understanding these things,
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figuring out all these
mathematical relationships
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that describe what was
going on in the heavens.
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He's certainly not saying
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and there is no God,
or anything like that,
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or making up
arbitrary rules about,
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well, we can't
bring God into things.
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The opposite is true.
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It was his understanding of God
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that prompted him to
move in that direction.
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He didn't think, oh,
this is all just an illusion.
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So I need to be
thinking about other things,
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other things are more important.
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He's saying no,
this is important,
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let's understand it,
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it tells us something about God.
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In fact, he even
goes on and says,
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we astronomers are
priests of the highest God
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in regard to the book of nature.
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Good quote.
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Yeah.
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These founders of modern science
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were building off their
Christian understanding.
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Why would I not do
the same thing today?
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These were great,
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great thinkers,
great men indeed.
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Now, I want to contrast that
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with this view that
people think is modern.
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And the example I'm going to use
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is Jacques Monad, he is a...
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Well, he is a Nobel Prize winner
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and he wrote this,
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"Chance alone is at the
source of every innovation
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of all creation
in the biosphere."
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So he's saying, it's
not God, it's chance.
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"Pure chance,
absolutely free but blind,
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at the very root
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of the stupendous
edifice of evolution:
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this central
concept of modern biology
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is no longer one
among other possible
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or even conceivable hypotheses.
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It is today the sole
conceivable hypothesis."
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And, you know,
people look at that
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and they say, well,
that's modern science.
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But it's not. It's
ancient philosophy.
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This is not new.
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This is not what
modern science grew out of.
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In fact, we can go
back and read Cicero,
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this Roman author
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before the time
of Christ and Cicero
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wrote a book
called De Natura Deorum,
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which means on the
nature of the gods.
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It's a dialogue
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between different
people with different beliefs
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about the gods in the Pantheon
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that were worshiped
by Romans and others.
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And he has here,
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one of these
philosophical views,
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the Epicurean view,
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and this is what the
Epicurean philosopher says,
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he says, "For he who
taught us all the rest,"
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that's the guy named Epicurus,
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"has also taught us
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that the world
was made by nature,
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without needing an
artificer to construct it,
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and that the act of
creation, which according to you
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cannot be performed
without divine skill,
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is so easy, that nature
will create, is creating
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and has created
worlds without number.
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You on the contrary cannot see
how nature can achieve all this
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without the aid of
some intelligence."
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Can you see, go back 2000 years,
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people were
saying the same thing.
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It wasn't because
science compelled them to,
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this is their philosophy.
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Yes. Okay.
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And you know, I have to say that
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it seems to me
that as we advance,
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I would think that people
would be changing their mind.
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Because the more science
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understands as they
gain a greater understanding,
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the more complicated
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we see that things are,
perhaps they didn't understood.
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The more wonderful it is.
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Yes, I mean, and you see
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it had to be by
intelligent design.
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The Bible never points
us away from the evidence,
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never does that.
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I love this
text in Hebrews 12:1,
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"Therefore we also
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since we are surrounded by
so great a cloud of witnesses,
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let us lay aside every weight,
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and the sin which
also easily ensnares us,
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and let us run
with endurance the race
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that is set before us."
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This is a
beautiful, beautiful thought.
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We are not
believing by blind faith.
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The witnesses are out there.
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We have the witness
that's recorded in Scripture,
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we have the
witness in the creation
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that testifies to this
wonderful Creator, God,
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who, amazingly enough,
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loves us and cares
about his wayward creation.
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So what can we...
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What's revealed about this?
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Well, "The creator is revealed
in the biblical worldview
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that serves as the
foundation of science.
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His value of logic
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is clear in the logical
way by which nature works.
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His value of our
senses is clearly revealed
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in the accuracy
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with which we can
gather empirical data."
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He wants us to go
out there and look at
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and understand this creation,
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and we can do it
through scientific study.
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Amen and amen.
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And Romans 1:20 says that,
"God's invisible attributes,
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the things about God
with which we cannot see
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with our own my eyes
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have been revealed in the things
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that He has created."
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So the Creator is
revealed in His creation.
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Please stay tuned,
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we'll be back in just a
moment with a special guest.
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