Welcome to The Creator Revealed.
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My name is Tim Standish.
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And by
profession, I'm a scientist,
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and I'm also a human being.
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That means that I think
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about the theological
implications of the science
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that I do.
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You know, it is
so interesting to me
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when you see,
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we're both Bible
believing Christians.
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We believe this
word is inspired by God.
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And we believe
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that God created
the earth in six days
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because He said He did.
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But today, we
want to welcome you.
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And we're so
glad you're joining us
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because we will be
talking about alternative ideas
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that are out there in the world
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to the biblical
account of creation.
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Exactly.
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And as you can imagine,
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there are actually a
fair number of these ideas
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that we could talk about.
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During the
course of this series,
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we've made frequent references
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to Darwinian evolution,
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this materialistic view,
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this kind of atheistic
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understanding of reality.
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And in this episode,
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I would like to talk about
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the sort of spectrum
of things in between.
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But that would take
an awfully long time
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because there are people
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who have all kinds of
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interesting ideas out there.
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I think it would be
best for us to concentrate
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on one of the most
popular alternative views.
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This is an attempt
to reconcile the claims
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of this materialistic philosophy
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with the clear record of history
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that's contained in
God's Word in the Bible.
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So what you're saying is,
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this is the one
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where people believe
in a type of evolution,
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but they claim to
believe the Bible.
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Precisely, and it's
called theistic evolution.
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Before we do that though,
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let's take a look
at one of the things
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that the Bible
says about the creation.
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Okay.
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This is in Exodus,
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it's Exodus 31.
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And a lot of
people don't realize
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that the fourth commandment
is actually repeated here.
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Let's read exactly what it says.
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"Therefore the
children of Israel
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shall keep the Sabbath,
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to observe the Sabbath
throughout their generations
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as a perpetual covenant."
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So this is not a covenant
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that is going to go away.
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The children of Israel,
the descendants of Abraham.
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I would include
Christians in this
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because
obviously we are adopted,
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we are all Abraham's seed
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as Christians.
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So this Sabbath
is somehow important
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for Bible believing Christian.
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And the Sabbath is the
seventh day of the week,
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which in the creation account,
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it says that at
the end of six days,
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God said all is very good,
and on the seventh, He rested.
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Exactly.
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And just to make
sure that we get that,
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this Sabbath that is a
memorial to the creation.
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The fourth commandment goes on,
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and it says,
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"It is a sign between Me
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and the children
of Israel forever,
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for in six days the
Lord made the heavens
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and the earth,
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and on the seventh day He
rested and was refreshed."
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And then Moses puts
this in just to make sure
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that we understand
how important this is.
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"And when He had made an
end of speaking with him,"
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this is Moses,
"on Mount Sinai, He,"
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this is God, "gave Moses
two tablets of the testimony,
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tablets of stone,
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written with the finger of God."
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So God actually
wrote Himself in stone
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that He created in six days.
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This is clearly
recorded there in the Bible.
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So what do we do
when we, Christians,
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and we're looking for
some kind of compromise
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that allows us to feel
like we are scientists,
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and we are
Christians at the same time?
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Well, I am a
scientist and a Christian.
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And I can assure you
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that there is no
reason to abandon
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what the Bible says
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because of the
false claims of Darwinism.
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So you believe in
a six day literal?
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Well, what else would I believe?
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Absolutely, that's
what the Bible says.
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As a scientist I believe data.
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I obviously wasn't there,
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I have to believe the
witnesses that we have.
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And the Bible has proven to be
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a reliable witness
about everything else.
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I mean, how would you
know how long it took anyway?
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There is no practical way
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that science can
really answer these questions.
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So let's look at
theistic evolution.
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And we have to be careful here
because theistic evolution...
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Explain what that
means, theistic evolution?
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Theistic evolution,
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I'm going to actually
give you a definition here.
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Okay.
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But the reason I want
to be careful about it
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is because there are
many different definitions
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that people make of this,
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but at its core
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this definition
really kind of explains it.
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Theistic evolution is the belief
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that God used the
process of evolution
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to create living
things, including humans.
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So instead of
this creation account
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that's in the Bible,
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God used a different method,
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the death driven
process of evolution.
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That's the basic idea.
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Now once you
sort of agree on that,
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if you want to be a
theistic evolutionist,
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then there are many
other little details,
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and that's what
twists around the definitions
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in lots of different ways.
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And sometimes people come up
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with something almost identical,
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they call evolutionary creation.
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But all of these things
sort of get wound up together
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into this basic idea that God,
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His method of
creation was evolution.
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Here is a group called BioLogos,
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and they put it this way.
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They say, "We fully affirm
that the Bible is the inspired
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and authoritative word of God."
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And, of course,
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all Bible believers would
be saying amen at that point,
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but then they
go on and they say,
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"We also accept the
science of evolution,
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as the best
description for how God brought
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about the
diversity of life on earth."
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And many, many, many
very eminent scientists
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and so on actually
belong to this group,
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including Francis Collins,
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who led the effort to
sequence the human genome.
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So these are eminent guys.
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And they're thinking
very hard about this.
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I don't want to mock them.
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I just disagree with
them because you know what?
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This idea is simply
absolutely incompatible
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with the scripture.
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Let's look at
what scripture says.
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Scripture starts out
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by talking about
the good creation.
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In fact, God
called it very good.
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And then sin
comes into the world,
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the fall occurs,
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and the result of sin,
the wages of sin are death,
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and this broken
creation that we live in.
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But the Bible
doesn't stop there.
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It goes on, and it
provides the solution.
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And the solution
fits the problem.
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So we have Jesus Christ,
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who wins that victory over sin.
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And therefore,
victory over death,
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and thus, they can
be a good new creation
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and eternal life.
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That's the gospel.
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That's right, that new creation.
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So this is what the Bible says,
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it's kind of the
opposite of theistic evolution.
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Obviously,
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you can't get those two
things in there together.
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Well, let's look at how it is
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that some Christians can somehow
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rather shoehorn evolution
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into some kind of belief
in Jesus Christ saving us
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by dying on the cross, okay?
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Okay.
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And so here is
the idea of evolution
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that these
particular Christians believe.
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Now bear in mind,
this is not what I believe,
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I believe what the Bible says,
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I don't believe that
this is actually true.
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But the idea is this,
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you start out with some
kind of single-celled organism,
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it evolves into
something like a fish,
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and then that fish evolves
into something that crawls out
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and becomes a land animal,
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and that land
animal develops some more
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and becomes a brute
of some kind, a brute.
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And then
something amazing happens.
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Remember, this
is not in the Bible,
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this is this theory of
how this could have worked
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that is unbiblical,
and I don't believe,
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I just want you to see it.
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So the idea is that
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God somehow rather zaps
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a soul into this brute.
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So let's look at that again.
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We start out, we keep evolving,
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we keep evolving,
we get to the brute.
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God sticks a
soul into the brute,
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and the brute
becomes a human being.
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There is this kind of
progress that we see with it,
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and there is this
event, this ensoulment event
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that happens in
the course of history,
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and that's when
we get human beings.
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How, how...
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That is just
totally contradictory
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to the Word of God.
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Well, Exactly.
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Because obviously,
I think most people
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who really seriously
look at this in the Bible
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understand that the idea
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that the body and the soul
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are two separate things,
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that they can have an existence
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separate from one another
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really is not
what the Bible says.
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What the Bible says is,
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God breathed into the body
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that He had formed.
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And man became a living soul
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or a living being
in some translations.
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Something...
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It's this combination
of things that is required.
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We could call it the
breath of life or something.
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Sometimes we do hear about
the breath returning to God.
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That's talked
about in the Bible,
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but the Bible doesn't talk about
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some sentient, immortal soul
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that goes up there
and lives in heaven
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without a body and
those sorts of things.
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And just in fact, in
1 Corinthians 15:53-57,
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Paul clearly says
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that we are not
given immortality.
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I mean, he tells Timothy
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that only God alone
is immortal right now
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and we don't get immortality
until the last trumpet.
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Exactly.
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So anyway, with this
unbiblical belief system,
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then you can death being
a kind of different thing
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than it was
before the ensoulment.
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Death becomes a
separation of body and soul.
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And all of a
sudden, you can make sense
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of what Jesus was
doing on the cross.
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He wasn't dying
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for what normal people
would call sin and death,
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He was dying for this
kind of made up kind of death,
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this kind of idea of separation
of body and soul there.
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And you don't
have to believe me.
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The pope talks about this.
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In fact, this is
a papal encyclical
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that I'm showing
you here by Pius XII.
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He wrote, "The
teaching authority of the church
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does not forbid
that in conformity
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with the present
state of human sciences
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and sacred theology,
research and discussions,
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on the part of men
experienced in both fields,
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take place with regard to
the doctrine of evolution,
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in as far as it
inquires into the origin
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of the human body
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as coming from
preexisting and living matter,
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for the
Catholic faith obliges us
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to hold that souls
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are immediately created by God."
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So you can see here
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that the pope
himself saw this as a way
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of solving the tension
between Darwinian evolution
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and biblical Christianity.
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I might add that prior to this,
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Catholics agreed
with other Christians,
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and many
Catholics continued to agree
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with other Bible
believing Christians
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that in fact,
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theistic evolution
is a false doctrine
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that is unbiblical.
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Anyway, let's continue on.
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If we believe
that evolution is true,
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then either God
chose to create animals
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to suffer and die over the eons
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when He could
have created animals
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perfect from the start.
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Or God is
incapable of fiat creation
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that would avoid
the evils of death,
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struggle, and suffering.
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Or animals lack souls
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and thus feel no
suffering at all,
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which is obviously not
true if you've ever had a pet.
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So atheists,
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they deny God's hand
in nature's suffering,
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theistic evolutionist
actually blame Him for it.
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It's really not a
very attractive idea.
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And when we compare it
with what the Bible says,
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the Bible promises
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that God will wipe
every tear from our eyes.
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There'll be no
more death or suffering.
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That's the promise.
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This is not the
process that has made us.
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This is the process
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that Jesus Christ
died on the cross to stop.
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So...
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Yeah, the creator is revealed
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even by alternatives
to the biblical creation
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because they show
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that the biblical
truth reveals God's goodness.
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So God's goodness
is shown in the Bible
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and it's clear
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when it's compared
to these other ideas.
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Amen.
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