Welcome back to
The Creator Revealed.
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Today, we are talking about
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evidences that support
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the idea of a recent
creation of our earth.
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And we believe this supports
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the biblical
account of creation.
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Yes, specifically,
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we've been
looking at living things.
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What evidence is
there in living things
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that points
towards a recent creation
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of all of this life?
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And one of the things
that we've talked about
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is chemicals,
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these proteins and
other biological chemicals
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that we find inside fossils.
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And so the big question is
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can these things last
for millions of years.
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To understand this,
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we're going to talk with
a chemist Dr. Ryan Hayes.
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He teaches in the department
of chemistry and biochemistry
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at Andrews University,
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which happens to
be my alma mater.
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So I'm excited to hear
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what Dr. Hayes
has to say about this.
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So welcome, Dr. Hayes.
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Hi, Ryan.
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Hi. It's good to be here.
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Thanks for having me on.
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This is an exciting topic,
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where you have to
think about chemicals,
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and recent creation,
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and boy, there's a
lot of new information
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that's coming out,
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you know, here in
just in the last few years
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and in the last decade or
so about all these molecules
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that are, you know,
being found in, you know,
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in geological formations
or pulling up dinosaur bones
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and finding tissue in there,
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this is just utterly amazing.
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It is incredible stuff.
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And I think that most people
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have a kind of gut
level understanding,
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that's something like proteins,
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that's the stuff that muscles
are made out of, that's meat.
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And we know that
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meat doesn't last for very long
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on a dead animal.
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So the idea that you would
find these things, for example,
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in dinosaur bones
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if you remove the...
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The marrow.
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Yeah, not the
bone marrow itself,
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but the hard part,
that part of the bone,
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you are actually
left with proteins.
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You can do that with
obviously modern bones
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or if you take a cow's
bone and remove this chemicals
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and they are called calcium,
calcium appetite, isn't it?
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And it's hydroxy appetite.
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There's water in there as
well. You're trying to show off.
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No, I'm not.
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Not for the chemical talk.
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I love it. Yeah.
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I was just reworking
with my students even today
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about the chemical properties
of carbon based molecules
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which were made out of
and our life is made out of,
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and the energy that is
holding our bonds together
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is actually
somewhat easily broken
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just from the
heats and the lights,
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that we have shine in our planet
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that comes right out
of our planet itself.
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And in the molecules,
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where in some ways are
designed not to last forever
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without some
input into the system.
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So when things are
left out in the open
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or left on the ground,
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there's biological
things that will come and attack
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and chew them all up or
just UV lights and heats,
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or even the coal
can break things up
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and the chemicals
that were made out of
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and living
things are made up with.
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They just don't last that long.
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And there's also
something that I've heard of
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called background radiation.
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And apparently, you know,
over short periods of time,
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it's not that much.
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But over the course
of millions of years,
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there's background radiation
that everything is exposed to
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unless you are
repairing the damage
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to these molecules,
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you're going to
wind up shredding them
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because they are
big molecules and boom,
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that radiation gets
in there and breaks them.
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You just said
over millions of years,
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you don't believe
there's been millions of years.
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No. No. Okay.
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In fact, the whole point of this
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is the fact that we
find these molecules
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in fossils is a
pretty good indicator
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that those fossils are not,
in fact, millions of years old.
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And so the idea would be...
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And, Dr. Ryan,
correct me if I...
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Dr. Hayes, Dr. Ryan Hayes,
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correct me if I'm
getting this wrong.
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But, you know,
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if you find something
that should have broken down
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over a long period of
time, that probably tells you
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that there hasn't
been a long period of time.
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That's absolutely right.
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I think many
people don't realize
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that our DNA and
lot of other molecules
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in our body are
just being pummeled.
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We have thousands of
breaks happening every day
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because of the radioactive earth
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that we live in.
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I love making that
point to my students
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and the people I talk to,
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we live in a very
radioactive world,
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and the reason why we
don't see a lot of that damage
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in the short term like days,
weeks, and years is that we...
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There are at least
five known repair systems
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that are constantly fixing
the trillions of miles of DNA
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that we have in our body.
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So without those
repair mechanisms,
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DNA and some of the
other organic molecules
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will just fall apart
from the radioactivity
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and other things
that we've talked about.
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So just we live in a
really radioactive world,
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but we're sort of
shielded from there
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in a sense that was designed
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that knew what
problems would happen,
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and systems, a lot of machines
that go in and fix our DNA.
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So our DNA is
constant being destroyed
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in little bits
and pieces every day.
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And it's eventually
after enough decades, you know,
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this leads to cancer,
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and so this is why there's
such a prevalence of cancer
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is that eventually,
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the systems can't
keep up with all the damage
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that's happening in our bodies.
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This work
received the Nobel Prize
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in 2015 in chemistry
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figuring out how our
DNA is being repaired.
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So when we find these things
in the ground or in the earth,
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they can't be that old.
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These things just
don't last that long.
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So what about a
situation like these people
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who freeze their bodies
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so that they could
be resurrected later on?
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Is that something that...
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I mean, is there
some conceivable way
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in which we could
preserve things in,
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you know,
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so they would last
for millions of years
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as some people
believe apparently?
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Yeah. Sure.
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I mean, I mean, you'd
want to try that, right?
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You know, if you could
cool things down cold enough,
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maybe you could stop a
lot of the degradation.
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But the fact of the matter
is a lot of that radioactivity
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is going to just
slam right through
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even frozen material.
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So sure, it's a good idea
to try to freeze something
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or encase it in something
so it can last a long time.
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But that is a real...
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That even in
itself is a real challenge
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and takes design to figure out
how you can preserve something
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for such a long
time in a random fashion.
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Just throw some cold on
it and it'll last forever.
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I don't think so, you know?
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But let's do something
that scientists are looking at,
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how do you keep something
that lasts for a long time?
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It's not easy.
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It's a hard problem
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to get biological
materials to last a long time.
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It's a hard problem.
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And so even when
people are working on it then,
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you'll say that's something
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that probably
isn't going to happen,
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let alone with some fossil
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that's been buried in
the ground in whatever,
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in sandstone, or limestone,
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or whatever you just simply
wouldn't expect to get anything
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lasting for
millions of years in it.
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No. That's exactly right.
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I mean, so we
shouldn't be surprised that
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these things degrade fast.
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We should be surprised
that we're seeing anything,
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and I think a lot of
scientists are surprised
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that bones are tearing up tissue
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and just finding anything
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that resembles organic molecules
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is just utterly amazing,
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but yeah, that's what
we're finding in bones,
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in a lot of samples
that by radiometric means
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they seemed to be really old,
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but yet they defy, you
know, chemical degradation.
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This is amazing.
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So I think this is
some really good evidence
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pointing to the fact that
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life is a relatively
recent thing on this planet,
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thousands of years,
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I think we have to take that
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into strong
consideration for sure.
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So that means
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that you do accept
the biblical account
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and the generations to save it.
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Our earth is probably no
more than 6,000 years old.
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Yeah, you know, you ever
take a few thousand years,
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but for sure, I mean,
I think, as a scientist,
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you have to look at the
credibility of the Bible
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and the fact that this
document has lasted so long
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and it describes so many
things that are so accurate.
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Wow, I would
love for my textbook
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to be that
accurate, and they're not.
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Well, so... We have
to acknowledge that.
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Thank you so much for
joining us, Dr. Hayes.
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I know we could talk
about this forever, it seems.
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It is a wonderful
and fabulous topic.
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You know, Shelley,
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one of the things
I love about science
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is that it is full of surprises,
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and sometimes, to
be perfectly honest,
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I don't know what to
do with those surprises.
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But I remember
when I first heard
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about these molecules
inside dinosaur bones,
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I was shocked.
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In fact, my colleague, he
told me about that I said,
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"I don't think
that's going to be true."
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And yet what we've found...
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I and some other scientists
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who collected peer
reviewed scientific papers.
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We have hundreds of them
now reporting these things.
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It's very strong
evidence that life is thousands,
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not millions of years old.
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And is just like
archeological finds
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when people said,
"Oh, no there was no David,
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there was no this."
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Archeology finally found it,
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and that's what's happening now.
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Science is finding proof
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or evidence of
a recent creation.
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