Welcome back to
"The Creator Revealed."
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I was telling Tim,
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I don't know if it is
his doctorate in biology
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or if it's his accent
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that makes him look so
intelligent but guess what?
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We've got his boss with us today
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and now you've
got some competition.
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There we go.
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Well, you know, it's fun
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working at the
Geoscience Research Institute
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because I have a
group of colleagues
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who are so
interesting and know so much,
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trust me, we keep
one another humble...
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I bet.
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And it's enjoyable to
discuss the very things
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that we are
talking about in this
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The Creator Revealed series.
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Now, up until this point
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in this particular episode,
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we've been talking
about design in fossils,
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but I've been concentrating
mainly on dinosaurs
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and the idea that
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hey, you know, we find
organisms living today,
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they look designed
and we find fossils
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of those same organisms...
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Designed the same way.
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So we'd expect that they,
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you know, it's just
sort of reasonably consistent
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to believe that in fact,
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those fossils represent
designed organisms as well.
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Dr. Gibson has made a
study of a kind of fossil
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called an ammonite.
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Now, that sounds like
something from the Bible.
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Yeah, it does.
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But let's let him explain
these to us a little bit.
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Welcome, Dr. Gibson.
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Thank you.
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I just happened
to have here with me
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a fossil ammonite shell.
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It's a interesting...
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That looks sort of like a snail.
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Yeah, except it's kind of flat.
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There's some
flat snails too, yeah.
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It's almost like a snail is.
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Notice that it has
a spiral shape to it.
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You notice that spiral
there, that's kind of cool.
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I kind of like
the shape of this.
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Reminds me of a
chambered nautilus,
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but you probably have
heard about not long ago.
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There's some
differences between the nautilus
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and the ammonite.
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So there are
different kinds of things
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but there's a lot
of similarity too.
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I just have this little toy here
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that illustrates what
the thing looked like.
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If I can get it
here where you can...
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So it looks little bit
like a squid or an octopus.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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In fact it is a lot like a squid
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or an octopus
with a shell on it.
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It's kind of an unusual thing,
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but notice that
spiral shape again
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and I kind of
like that spiral shape,
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It's interesting.
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And one of the
interesting things about it is,
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it has a mathematical basis.
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There's an actual, you can
write an equation for a spiral.
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Well I think,
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well, that got created
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by a great mathematician.
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It's great to think though,
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that God is such a
genius at mathematics,
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not just because of the
spiral of this, of course,
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but because mathematics
is found throughout nature.
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Yeah, that's true,
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it's really kind
of a remarkable thing.
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That in all living things,
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we find that mathematics
can describe things that...
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Yes.
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That why do they have to...
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Why does it have to be that way?
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Well, it probably doesn't.
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It's just that mathematics
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is the basis of
the universe apparently
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but also in living
things quite, quite incredible.
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Yeah. So I think it tells
us something about the Creator.
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He's a mathematician.
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He invented
mathematics, I guess.
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Well, the beauty I
should say the interest
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and I think it's beauty
too, interest in that shell,
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a spiral shape is
kind of interesting.
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In fact, I think, it's
okay to say that it's beautiful.
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And that beauty that I
see in the ammonite shell,
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I see it in the nautilus shell,
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the chambered
nautilus and other things.
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It makes me wonder why
should nature be beautiful,
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and why am I able to
appreciate that beauty?
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I know,
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I've got a couple of house cats.
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I don't see them
admiring beautiful things.
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I haven't noticed other animals
doing that, why me and you?
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Why do we appreciate
beauty, and I think it's because
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we were created
in the image of a God
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who Himself
appreciates and loves beauty.
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And I find that interesting.
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It is interesting that again...
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The creator God.
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An unnecessary
correlation really, isn't it?
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The creation is
beautiful and we have minds
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that are capable of
appreciating that beauty.
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It doesn't seem like it
would have to be that way
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because of the laws of physics
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or maybe some other explanation
like natural selection.
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Why?
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Why would it be that way?
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Well, if you believe
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that the
character of the Creator
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involves beauty
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and wanting to give
pleasure to other beings,
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then it makes an
awful lot of sense.
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But if you're not
talking about something
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like the God of the Bible,
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it makes no sense at all.
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That's true.
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If we go back to that...
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I'm sorry, go ahead.
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If we go back to that
ammonite and take a look.
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You'll see he's got an eye.
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And look at now, of
course, this is just a toy.
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But it's believed that
the eye of the ammonite
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did look a lot like that
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and part of the reason for that,
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of course, is by comparison
of the chambered nautilus
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where we can see the eye
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and see that it's
quite technically advanced,
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quite sophisticated.
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So there's another thing
we can learn about design
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in the ammonite.
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The eye is carefully crafted
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with not only physical parts
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that are put together
in a functional sequence
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but molecular
machines that are in the,
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you know, where we
can't see them particularly
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but the idea of
vision is spectacular.
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Our engineering feat,
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and I see the
Creator must be an engineer
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beyond our experience.
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Yeah, when you start
looking at organisms,
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you gonna appreciate
them all the way down
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from the gross structure,
the environment they live in,
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all the way down
into the actual molecules
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that they're made of.
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Quite remarkable.
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So what's inside that shell?
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What's going on with it?
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Well, if you
split the shell open
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you'll find...
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And here's an
example of an ammonite
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with its shell split open.
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It's very beautiful.
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You I'll see that
it has a series...
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You can see that
spiral very clearly there
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and you can see that
has a series of chambers,
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the little lines
dividing the chambers,
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it seems that the
animals started out living
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in the smallest one at
the center of the spiral
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and then as it
outgrew the chamber,
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it added another
one and so, in a spiral,
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so the spiral grew
as the animal grew,
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leaving a series
of chambers behind it,
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the animal living in
the outermost chamber.
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That is kind of cool.
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And so when you have those
empty chambers, you might ask,
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well, is there
anything you can do
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with those empty chambers?
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And the answer is yes,
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you can fill them
with gas or water,
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pumping them back and
forth through a little tube.
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And by doing that
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you can regulate the
density of the ammonite
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and then it can move
up or down in the water.
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And so it could
control the buoyancy,
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its ability to move
up and down the water
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by controlling the amount of gas
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in these little chambers.
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So basically, go
ahead, I'm sorry.
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I was just gonna say,
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there's a definite
function to the design
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and that's what we see
in everything God created.
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What's interesting
to me is the combining
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of this very practical
thing that allows this organism
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to decide where it's
going to be in the water
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by adjusting the amount
of gas inside these chambers
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and yet the beauty as well.
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It's not an ugly thing.
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It turns out to be a
beautiful and practical thing.
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Form and
function going together.
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Yeah. Yes.
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And then if you could imagine
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this shell with an animal in it,
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the animal living
near the end here in the...
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Probably in a chamber
that isn't preserved here.
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But, and that means
all these other chambers
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are filled with gas.
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So that would tell you that
the chamber's filled with gas
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with the upper
most in the water.
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So you could predict
that the animal would be
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floating around
something like this,
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with it, most of
the chambers above it
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and the animal
on the bottom side.
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Fabulous, so it's
actually orienting itself
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as a result of it.
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But that would also be a
protective designing, right?
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I guess so. Yeah.
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Well, thank you, thank you.
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Because its position.
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Okay.
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Well, thank you so much
for joining us, Dr. Gibson,
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It's been a real pleasure.
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That makes me want to
go out and get my own,
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my own fossil ammonite.
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Enjoyed talking
about the ammonite.
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Thank you, Dr.
Gibson. Thank you very much.
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You know, it's just
so fascinating to me that
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what makes us
different than animals?
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We've already discussed
that animals and humans
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were made of the
dust of the ground.
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We both have the
breath of the life in us,
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but what makes us
different is that God created us
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with a specific function.
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And we see that
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everything God creates
has a function and a form
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and this is really fascinating.
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Yeah.
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Well, in the
case of human beings
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what I love is,
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He gave us this
particular role in His creation
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and function in His creation
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and He equipped
us for that role.
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So our ability for
example to do mathematics,
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this complex
abstract mathematics,
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is useful to us as we
care for the creation,
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as we study the creation
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and we learn so much
more about God's wisdom
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and God's character
from these incredible things.
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Even these fossils
where the design is so clear
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and so beautiful
at the same time.
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He is an amazing
God. He is the artist.
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Yes.
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Well, I want to thank
our audience for joining us
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for this particular episode.
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If you're fascinated by fossils,
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well then you're a lot like me.
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But we are talking about
all sorts of different things
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in this Creator,
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The Creator
Revealed series of programs.
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I hope that you'll
join us for future episodes.
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We've certainly enjoyed
spending this time with you.
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God bless you.
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