Welcome to "The
Creator Revealed."
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I'm Tim
Standish, I'm a scientist
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who works for the
Geoscience Research Institute.
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And we are so glad that
you are joining us today.
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I'm Shelley Quinn.
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I'm here to
represent the average person
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who's just going, ooh,
when he tells us these things.
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What we do in the first segment,
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the first 15 minutes
we will be talking about
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some scientific
fact that I think
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you will find
fascinating because we'll show
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how God our Creator is
revealed in His creation,
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and then we'll come
back with the second half
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to have a biblical application,
a discussion of this.
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So please stay tuned
for the entire program.
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What are we gonna learn today?
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We're gonna learn something
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that many people have
an incorrect view of it,
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about fossils.
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People believe that
fossils somehow rather
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are irrefutable proof
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of Charles Darwin's
theory of evolution.
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The reality is
actually quite the opposite.
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When we look at those fossils,
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they tell us
something about the Creator.
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Amen.
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So before we
actually get into that,
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I want to draw
your attention to a text
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that was written
by the Apostle Paul
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to the people in Ephesus.
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Okay. This is Ephesians 5:32.
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And Paul wrote this, he
said, "This is a great mystery:
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but I speak concerning
Christ and the church."
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The way I want
to apply that text
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with fossils is like this.
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Fossils are remains of organisms
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that lived in the past.
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Unfortunately we
can't do time travel
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and go back and
actually see what happened.
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So in many ways
they are a great mystery?
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They're a mystery. Yes.
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And it's a
mystery that is profound
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because we
can't go back in time,
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we can't really know
certain things about them.
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For example, we don't know
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what sounds
fossil organisms made.
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So we don't know
how a dinosaur sounded,
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he could have been squeaky.
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He could have been squeaky,
he could have been silent.
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He might have
hissed like a lizard,
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we just don't know.
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And we cannot
realistically know,
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we can speculate and that's all.
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So let's look at
a dinosaur. Okay.
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I've got a great dinosaur.
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This is the tallest
dinosaur that's known.
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And when you look at
that, it's pretty big.
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In fact, it's
about 13.27 meters tall.
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Forty feet? About 40 feet, yes.
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Well, a meter is a
little bit over a yard,
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it's about 39 inches.
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So we're talking about a
very, very tall creature.
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Very intimidating to meet him
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when you're out
picking berries, I'm sure.
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Yes, you know, I think,
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I probably wouldn't want
to get trodden on by him.
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But the good news is
this particular dinosaur
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or like many other dinosaurs,
they're commonly vegetarian.
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Obviously, there are
meat-eating dinosaurs,
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we all know about T-Rex
and dinosaurs like that.
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But this was a vegetarian
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and probably ate an
awful lot of vegetables,
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let's put it that way.
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When I look at
something like this,
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a word comes to my mind
and it's a great sounding word,
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I love the way it
comes off your tongue,
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it's teleology.
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It sounds like
something you might do
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in the afternoon in England.
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Yes. Yes.
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Morning teleology
and afternoon teleology,
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but it means
something quite different.
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It's built of
the root word tele,
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something out there,
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something a long way
away, like a telescope.
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You're looking at
something far away.
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The idea with
teleology is something that...
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Situation where you
have a goal out there,
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somewhere out there
and it's moved towards,
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it's a goal,
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an intelligent being has a goal
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and then does work to
get towards that goal.
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It could be walking towards
it, it could be engineering,
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for example, there's a
goal of making something,
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an airplane, or a
car, or a computer,
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anything like
that, there's that goal.
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Having a design
and a plan and...
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Exactly, but it
exists first in the brain
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and then in reality.
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Okay, okay. Yeah,
so that's the idea.
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Now fossil organisms,
like living organisms,
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had complex integrated systems
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that were
necessary for their survival.
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Circulatory
systems, muscle systems,
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skeletal
systems, nervous systems,
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all of those had
to work together.
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That's an indicator
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that there was some
sort of teleology involved,
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someone was
working towards the goal
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of making a dinosaur
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and so somebody
anticipated their need,
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the dinosaurs' need
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or the other
fossil organisms' need
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and thought of a
solution to every problem
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that needed to be
solved for them to live.
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That had to be solved first
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before they could
come into existence.
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It's not something that
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you could muddle
your way towards.
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Once you have the dinosaur,
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you might be
able to have it grow
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a little bit bigger
or a little bit smaller
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or something like that,
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but the basic systems
all had to be in place first.
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Especially for that big
dude, if he's gonna pop.
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In our
experience only intelligence
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is capable of doing this,
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having that plan and
integrating everything
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and making it happen.
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So teleology is something
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we can look at
in all living things
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but we can also
see evidence of it
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in fossil things.
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So when we talk about
that incredibly tall dinosaur,
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we can see there was
some teleology involved,
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some intelligence
involved in its production,
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in making it, in
creating it, and we can do that
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by looking at a modern organism.
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The tallest living animal...
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Giraffe. Giraffe, right.
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Now, a really tall giraffe
would hit about six meters.
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So it's pushing about 20 feet,
a little less than 20 feet.
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And there are
all sorts of things,
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we design things we could
talk about with dinosaurs,
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with giraffes.
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But let's look at a
problem that they have to solve,
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an engineering problem
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that would also have been solved
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by the dinosaur.
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So let's see how they solve it.
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It's called
hydrostatic pressure.
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This is basically the
problem that they face
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when they're trying to get blood
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up to the top of their head.
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When you're pumping blood up,
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obviously their heart is
down in their body, it's...
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Going against gravity.
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It's going against gravity,
it's pumping it up there
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so the blood has to
go up about three meters,
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that's about 10
feet, that it has to go,
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that's a lot of weight of blood
that you've got to push up.
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So therefore,
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you've got to have
very high blood pressure,
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if you want to do that.
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And when you
look at the numbers,
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it's quite shocking really,
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280/180 is their
normal blood pressure.
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A human being with
blood pressure that high
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would not have it for very long.
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Well, exactly,
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our blood vessels would explode
under those circumstances.
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So they have to have
very strong blood vessels.
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They got very strong
blood vessels, right.
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And, of course, that also means
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that they must have
a very powerful heart.
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Now, people used to think,
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"Oh, that means they
have a really huge heart,"
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but they don't,
they have a heart that,
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on the outside at
least is about the same size
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as you would expect for
an animal of their size.
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I've always heard that
giraffe's had large hearts
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but that's not.
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But they really don't.
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But what they do is
they have very thick walls
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on their heart.
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So the heart is a
muscle, right, and the muscle,
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there's a lot of muscle there
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which means that
inside that space, yeah,
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the ventricles
where the blood is,
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it flows in and
then is squeezed out
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under pressure
as it's pumped out.
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The ventricles are
actually quite small.
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Okay. So that means that...
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Exactly that means
every time they squeeze,
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it's just a little bit
of blood that goes out.
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So, but they have to
put out a lot of blood
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so what can they do?
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Go fast. That's right.
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They can pump faster,
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their heart
beats very, very fast
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relative to ours, or
other organisms, yeah,
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so they have
this rapid heartbeat.
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And then, finally they have
a really interesting problem
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because we've been talking
about getting the blood up
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to the top, right, up
to the top of their head.
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But what happens to that blood
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that went all the
way down to the bottom?
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It has to come back up
from the tip of their foot
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all the way back
up into their body
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and back to their heart.
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So how does it
get squeezed back?
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Tight skin. Like pressure hose.
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Like pressure hose, exactly.
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Squeezing the blood
back up into their bodies.
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So you can see then
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that however these were created,
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we believe God created...
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It had to be an
intelligent creator
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who looked ahead and
planned for every step
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for this creature
to exist as a species
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that's different than you and I.
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Exactly. Very good.
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Teleology, intelligence, God,
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that's a logical
way of moving forward.
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Then we will look at
other kinds of fossils.
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What we can see is we
can look at living things
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that they are
essentially the same as...
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So for example,
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here I'm showing
you a nautilus shell
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and a fossil nautilus
shell on the left there.
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So about how old
but it's supposed to be?
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This particular one,
I'm not entirely sure
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but it would be
millions of years
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according to...
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And you can see how
much evolution has occurred
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over those millions of
years, if they were there, yeah.
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We want to clarify
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because I don't want
someone writing this today
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that we don't believe
it's been millions of years.
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Exactly.
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But that's what
many scientists...
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What the fossils do
not show is change, I mean,
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this is what a
modern nautilus looks like
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but this is a grasshopper,
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we can see it's
pretty much the same
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as a modern grasshopper.
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What's this?
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That's a dragonfly
and it had four wings.
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That's right, just
like a modern dragonfly.
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This one, I love
this is a lizard,
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a kind of gecko actually
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and geckos will
drop their tail sometimes
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and a new one grows back.
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This ancient one...
He's re-growing a tail.
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He's re-growing a tail.
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So the ancient
lizard had the ability
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or the ancient
gecko had the ability
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that we see in
the modern lizards.
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What we don't see is evolution.
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That's amazing.
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Now, we might see things lost
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but we certainly
don't see evolution.
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As a shock, I
mean, we can recognize
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all of these things
but I want to get to this,
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fossil organisms also
suggest behavioral complexity.
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It's not just the
morphology, the organs,
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and those sorts of
things, their behavior.
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The example I want
to use is a marsupial.
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Like a
kangaroo? Like a kangaroo.
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This happens to be the
largest marsupial fossil
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out there, Diprotodon
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but I want to just point
out that modern marsupials...
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And these are ones
who carry their babies
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in a pouch or pocket.
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Exactly. Okay.
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Here in the United
States, we have a marsupial.
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I have 'em on my deck every day.
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A possum, I went
running out one morning
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because my dog was
barking and I saw this,
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this mother possum
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and she was
exhibiting a behavior,
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she had all of her
little darlings there
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on her back
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and she was not
going to let that...
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How many does she have?
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Let's have a look.
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Can you count
them? I don't know.
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What a fabulous
mother. You know what?
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I want to have a
pet one of those things
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and nobody seems
to understand why?
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They're just so gorgeous,
lovely, lovely creatures.
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But the point is
ancient creatures,
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they had to have behaviors
to take care of their young.
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So what does this
reveal about the Creator?
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I'm suggesting at
least a couple of things.
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First, he encourages
thoughtfulness in people.
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As we study these fossils,
we need to be thoughtful,
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we have to understand that
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we don't understand
everything about them,
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but we can see
evidence of their creation
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and they tell us
something about God Himself.
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Yes.
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And we see the same
wisdom, love and the value
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that God placed on diversity
when he did His creation.
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We see it in modern organisms
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and we see it in
ancient organisms.
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And it just
supports that God is love,
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God is all powerful,
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and we're excited to
come back in just a moment.
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We're gonna be
gone for 60 seconds.
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So stay tuned
because we will come back
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to look at the
biblical application
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of these principles.
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