Let's bow our heads for prayer.
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Our loving heavenly Father,
what a joy it is to be in
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Your presence today.
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We thank You
Father for Your Holy Word,
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because it's a sure guide in a
world that doesn't know where to
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turn; in a world that's
confused about Bible prophecy.
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We ask, Father, that You will
open our understanding today
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that we might be able to
comprehend about the beast
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that rises from the earth.
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I ask, Lord, that You
will remove preconceived
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notions from our minds,
and You will help us only
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to hear Your voice.
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And we thank You
for hearing our prayer
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for we ask it in the
precious name of Jesus, Amen.
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In last time's presentation
we studied about the beast that
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rose from the sea.
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And we noticed that that
beast that rose from the sea
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is a symbol of the
Roman Catholic papacy.
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I want to make it very
clear that we are not opposed
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to Roman Catholics.
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We're talking about a system.
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We're not talking about the
individuals within that system.
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There are very many sincere,
loving Christians within that
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communion, but we're talking
about the Roman Catholic Church
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as an
organization, or as a hierarchy.
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Now you remember, if you were
here this time, that we noticed
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that the fourth beast of Daniel
7 has four stages of dominium.
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The first stage of dominion
is, of course, the dragon
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beast ruling by itself.
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That represents
the Roman Empire.
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Then from the head of that
dragon beast come ten horns,
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which represent the ten
divisions of the Roman Empire.
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The Roman Empire was
fragmented as a result of
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the barbarian invasions.
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And then we notice that a
little horn rises among the ten.
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That represents the Roman
Catholic papacy, which ruled for
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1,260 years, from 538 to 1798,
when the pope was taken prisoner
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by Napoleon's, General Berthier.
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And then we notice that there
was a period of time in which
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that little horn, or the
beast, remained inactive,
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because the secular governments
of the world maintained
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this system bound.
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In other words they did not
allow this system to use them.
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The Bible uses the
symbolism of the sword.
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They did not allow the church
to use the sword of the state.
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And so for about 200 years
after the French Revolution
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the Roman Catholic Church has
not been able to use the civil
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powers of the
world to persecute.
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We noticed also in our
study that this deadly wound is
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going to be healed.
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The sword is going
to be returned once
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again to this system.
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And all of the world, the Bible
says, is going to wander after
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this system, is going
to wander after the beast.
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And you say, How in the world
could this wound be healed?
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How is it possible that any
nation in the world would allow
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this system, once again, to
climb on it, and to use that
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government, or to use
that secular power as a sword,
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to persecute, once again,
those who are not in harmony
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with the
teachings of the church?
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Well, today we're going to study
a little bit about the healing
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of that deadly wound.
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We're going to identify a
second beast in Revelation 13.
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This beast does
not rise from the sea.
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It rises from the earth.
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And this beast is actually
going to return the sword
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to the first beast.
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You see, this second beast from
the earth is going to make an
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image of the first beast.
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This second beast is going
to command all of the world
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to worship the first beast.
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In fact, this second beast
is going to command every one
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on earth to receive
the mark of the best.
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By the way, in the future we're
going to have one lecture on the
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image to the beast.
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We're going to have
another lecture on the
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mark of the beast.
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And we're going to have
still another one on the
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number of the beast.
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So each one of those
aspects we're going to study.
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But today we want to identify
the power, or the nation,
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that is going to return
the sword to the sea beast,
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or to the Roman Catholic papacy.
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In fact, do you know that the
Bible says that when the sword
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is returned to the sea beast,
that the sea beast is actually
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going to be able to
kill, through this power,
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through this nation that rises,
is going to be able to kill
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everyone who is not in
harmony with her teachings.
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You find that in
Revelation 13: 15 where it says:
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Yes, persecution will
arise again just like it existed
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during the Middle Ages.
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Now let's read about this
beast that rises from the earth,
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that is going to help the
first beast get its power back.
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Revelation
13:11, Revelation 13:11.
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Other versions say, He had
two horns like a lamb but he
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spoke like a dragon.
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Now the remarkable
thing about this second beast,
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this earth beast, is that
it has a split personality.
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In other words, it
has a positive side,
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and it has a negative side.
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The positive side are
the two horns like a lamb.
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Because we're going to notice
in Revelation that the lamb
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represents Jesus Christ.
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So this beast has a positive
side: the two horns like a lamb.
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But it says that this same beast
that has two horns like a lamb,
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speaks like what? like a dragon.
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Let me ask you, What
similarity is there between
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a dragon and a lamb?
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No similarity at all!
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And yet in this one beast you
find these two characteristics:
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two horns like a lamb.
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It has two aspects like a lamb,
but it speaks like a dragon.
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In other words it
has a dual personality.
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It has a split personality.
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I want you to notice that
it's not that this beast has two
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horns like a lamb, and
then the two horns are broken.
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In other words it
ceases being like a lamb,
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and then it speaks like a dragon
when the two horns are broken.
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No. The Bible says that it
speaks like a dragon even while
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it still have the two horns.
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In other words, it
professes one thing,
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but it actually lives another.
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In other words, it
professes two principles,
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we're going to notice,
that Christ entertained.
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And it's going to say, We
believe in that, but at the same
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time it's going
to persecute like the
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dragon of Revelation 12.
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Now let's
identify this lamb beast.
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Let's see... Actually it's not
a land beast, but the beast that
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has two horns like a lamb.
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Let's review the
order of kingdoms that we
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studied last time.
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You remember
that we have a lion.
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What kingdom does the
lion represent? Babylon.
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Then we have a bear.
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What kingdom does
the bear represent?
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the Medes and Persians.
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Then we have a leopard.
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What kingdom does the
leopard represent? Greece.
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Then we have a dragon beast.
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And what does that
dragon beast represent? Rome.
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And then that dragon
beast grows ten horns.
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What do the ten horns represent
that come from the head of Rome,
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of the dragon beast?
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It represents Rome, that
was divided into ten kingdoms
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as a result of the
barbarian invasions.
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476 is the key date.
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That's when the last
Roman emperor was deposed.
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And then you have the
little horn, which represents
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the papacy, which, by
the way, is Roman also.
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It comes from the head of
the dragon beast, which is Rome.
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And it rules for 1260 years.
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But then at the end of the
1260 years, it receives a what?
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a deadly wound. The
sword that it used to persecute
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now turns against it.
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In other words, the
sword is taken out of its hand.
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And the sword rises against
it and gives it a deadly wound.
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And for awhile this beast
is inactive; this sea beast is
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inactive because
it has a deadly wound.
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But the Bible says
that its deadly wound
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is going to be what? healed.
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Now I want you to
notice something very
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interesting about this beast.
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When this first beast falls,
when the sea beast receives
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its deadly wound, at that moment
is when this land beast rises.
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So we have a chronological
detail to know exactly when
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this beast is going to
arise in the flow of history.
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Let's notice
several characteristics.
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Characteristic 1. of this
land beast that is going to give
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the sword back to the sea beast.
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And it's going to impose
the mark of the sea beast.
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It's going to impose
the number of the sea beast.
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It's going to make an
image of the sea beast.
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It's going to tell everyone
to worship the sea beast.
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In other words,
everything it does is with
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reference to the sea beast.
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It's almost like it
doesn't have its own identity.
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It arose for one purpose, and
that was to return the identity,
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or the ability to
persecute to that first beast.
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Now notice Revelation
13:10, 11, Revelation 13:10, 11.
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Verse 10 speaks about
the deadly wound. It says:
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See that's the deadly wound.
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And notice, immediately after it
speaks about the deadly wound,
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we find in verse 11:
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So when the first
beast falls it says:
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So when does this
second beast rise?
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It rises to power when the first
beast receives its deadly wound.
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Because it says, He who
kills with the sword will be
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killed with the sword.
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Then he says, Then I saw another
beast rise from the earth,
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which means that this
beast would have to rise
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around what year?
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It will have to be around the
year 1798 when the first beast
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received its deadly wound.
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A second characteristic which
helps us identify this beast
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from the earth is that in
Revelation 13, beginning with
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verse 11, there is
no reference to waters.
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There is no
reference to winds of strife.
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In fact this beast that rises
from the earth doesn't even
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fight with any other beasts.
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In other words, it does not
arise in the midst of strife.
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Winds of strife represent wars.
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It doesn't have to
conquer any previous nation.
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It actually arises
in a different place.
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It can't be in Asia,
and it can't be in Europe.
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You say, Why not?
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Because if you read Daniel
7 you'll notice that the lion
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and the bear, which are
Asian powers, by the way,
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rose from the sea.
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Also the leopard and the
dragon beast, which are European
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powers, rose
from the sea as well.
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But this beast rises from the
earth, which means that it must
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rise in a different place.
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Are you
understanding what I'm saying?
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Now something very important is
that prophecy is actually moving
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from east to west, because
the first two beasts are Asian
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powers: the lion and the bear.
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The next two beasts
are European powers,
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which is Greece and Rome.
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And, by the way, always moving
further what? further west.
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So where would you expect this
beast from the earth to arise?
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Probably further
west than Europe.
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And let me ask you, What is
it that is west from Europe?
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North America, the
United States of America.
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In fact, it's interesting
that there are no waters.
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It rises from the earth.
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Waters represent multitudes,
nations, tongues, and peoples.
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Let me ask you, When the United
States, when the pilgrims came
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to the United States,
were there lots of people
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living in this country?
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Was it like the old
country, Europe? Absolutely not.
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There were very few living here.
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I'm going to give
you some statistics
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a little bit later on.
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In fact, let me read
you a couple of statements.
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One of them is by Daniel J.
Boorstin, who for many years
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was the Librarian of Congress.
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He says this
about North America:
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That is of the United States.
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And another author
said this, G. A. Townsend,
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about the territory
where this country arose:
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So the United States arose
in silence: no wins, no wars,
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no fighting other nations.
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It arose in the earth where
there was a scarcity of people.
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It arose around the year 1798,
and this author says that it
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arose like a plant.
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Do you know that that word
that's used, I saw another beast
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rise from the earth,
that word rise is used in the
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New Testament to describe a
plant that grows from the earth.
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It's interesting
that this historian says,
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in the last quotation I
read, Like a silent seed we
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grew into an empire.
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Now another point that will help
us identify this power is that
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the first beast, the sea
beast, and this earth beast
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are contemporaneous.
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In other words, they
exist at the same time.
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But the first beast is
older than this second beast,
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because the second beast
rises after the first beast
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has ruled for 1,260 years.
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In other words they
exist at the same time.
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They are powers
that are simultaneous
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in the flow of history.
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And the interesting thing is
that this second beast actually
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helps the first beast
to get it's power back.
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You know, usually when you
look at the beasts in Daniel 7,
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the bear fights the lion
and takes away his power,
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and the leopard fights the
bear and takes away his power,
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and the dragon
fights the leopard and
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takes away his power.
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In other words, every power
defeats the previous power.
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But this is very
unusual, because in 1798,
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when the first power falls, and
loses the sword, the Bible tells
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that this second power is not
going to fight that first power,
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but is actually going to do
everything possible to restore
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the power to the
first beast. Unbelievable!
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Revelation 13 also says
that this power is going to be
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worldwide, and it's
going to be a super power.
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It's going to be a super power
economically, because the Bible
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says that he's going
to forbid to buy and sell
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to whoever does not
receive the mark of the beast.
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It's a worldwide military power,
because it says that it's going
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to kill everyone who does not
receive the mark of the beast.
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And it is also a worldwide
political power, because it says
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that everybody on
earth, all the world marveled
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and worshipped the beast.
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In other words, this
second beast is the enforcer
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of the first beast.
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This second beast is
actually the sword in the
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first beast's hand.
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And you say, this is incredible.
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How would this beast lend itself
to be used in this manner?
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Well, it's
unbelievable, but it's true.
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One final characteristic before
we move on to talk about the
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two horns like a lamb,
which is one especially
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I want us to dwell upon.
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This nation, before it
becomes an oppressive nation,
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and actually enforces the
religion of the first beast,
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actually was a blessing to those
people who fled from the old
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country to the United States.
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I'm not going to read the text,
but if you go to Revelation 12,
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you're going to notice in verse
16, that immediately towards the
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end of the 1260 years, when
the church was being persecuted,
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it says the dragon was
spewing water out of his mouth
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to drown the woman,
which represents the church.
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We're told there that
the earth helped the woman,
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and the earth swallowed the
waters of persecution that the
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dragon spewed out of his mouth.
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In other words, at first
this nation provides what? help,
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and refuge for those who
are persecuted in Europe.
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But later on what's going
to happen with this nation?
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Instead of providing refuge
for God's people, it is going
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to become a what?
a persecuting power.
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By the way, I'd like to mention
just briefly here the phenomenal
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growth of the United
States into a world super power.
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In 1701 the United
States had 260,000 inhabitants.
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In 1776 when the Declaration
of Independence was signed,
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there were 2.8 million.
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In the year 1800
there were 5,236,000.
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That's around the
time of the deadly wound.
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In 1900 the United
States had 76,212,000.
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In 1950 the United
States had 151,325,000.
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And today, the latest
that I saw on the internet,
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the United States has
over 306,000,000 inhabitants.
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Since 1950 the population of
the United States has doubled.
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As a silent seed we
grew into an empire.
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Let me ask you, Is the
United States a global power,
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economically, militarily,
and financially? Absolutely!
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Can it serve, eventually,
as the enforcer for this power?
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There's no nation in the world
that could serve as the enforcer
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of this power
except the United States.
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Now I want to go and dwell
upon the two horns like a lamb.
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That's what I want to
dedicate most of our time
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to in this lecture.
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First of all we want to ask,
What does this beast represent?
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What does a beast
represent in Bible prophecy?
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Well, you know that a beast
represents a nation, right?
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The lion represents
Babylon, the bear Medo Persia,
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the leopard Greece, the dragon
Rome, the he goat represents
00:20:09.00\00:20:14.14
Greece, the ram
represents Medo Persia.
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In other words, beasts in
prophecy represent nations.
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Now allow me to read you a
statement from Adam Clarke.
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He was a great
Bible commentator.
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He's not a Seventh-day
Adventist, but he explains
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what a beast represents.
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See it is not only Seventh-day
Adventists that believe that
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beasts represent
nations. He says this:
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That's the land beast.
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Is he right? He said,
Well, if the first beast
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is an empire, well the
second beast must also be what?
00:20:55.85\00:20:59.69
an empire, in
order to be consistent.
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Now what do the
two horns represent?
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How many beasts do we have?
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I'm not talking about the
sea beast and the land beast.
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The land beast is how
many beasts? just one, right?
00:21:10.07\00:21:13.10
But it has two horns.
00:21:13.13\00:21:16.14
So how many nations does
this beast represent? it's one
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nation, but it has two horns.
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Now what do the
two horns represent?
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Once again Adam Clarke
gives this explanation:
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very, very good
explanation. He says:
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This is the dragon
beast. It has ten horns.
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That's the book of Revelation.
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Is he right? I mean
you have to be consistent.
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You can't say that the ten horns
of the dragon beast represent
00:22:14.83\00:22:17.93
one thing, and to say the
two horns on this land beast
00:22:17.97\00:22:21.24
represent
something totally different.
00:22:21.27\00:22:22.77
The two horns on the head of
the land beast, or this beast
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that has characteristics like
a lamb, represent two kingdoms.
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Now there's a Biblical parallel
that is very, very close to
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this symbol that we
have in Revelation 13:11.
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Go with me to Daniel 8, Daniel
8, and I want to read verse 3,
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and then we'll jump
down to verse 20. Daniel 8:3.
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How many animals? one.
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Okay, so you have one
beast with what? two horns.
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Now what do those two horns
represent on this one beast?
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This one ram with two horns.
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What does the ram, and
what do the two horns represent?
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Verse 20:
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Let me ask you,
Was this one nation?
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Yes, it was one nation.
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One beast is used to
represent it: a bear, and a ram.
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One nation, but this
one nation was composed of
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how many kingdoms?
00:23:51.46\00:23:52.79
This one nation was
composed of two kingdoms.
00:23:52.83\00:23:55.76
In other words, this beast
of Revelation 13 represents one
00:23:55.80\00:23:59.23
nation, but that one nation
has two what? has two kingdoms,
00:23:59.27\00:24:05.17
or dual kingdoms within it.
00:24:05.21\00:24:08.04
Now we're going
to come back to this.
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You'll understand
what we're talking about.
00:24:10.68\00:24:12.05
We're setting the bases now.
00:24:12.08\00:24:13.42
But let me ask, Why are these
two horns like horns of a lamb?
00:24:13.45\00:24:17.82
You know, there are many
beasts in Scripture that have
00:24:17.85\00:24:21.42
horns in prophecy.
00:24:21.46\00:24:23.22
But this is the only time
when the horns are specifically
00:24:23.26\00:24:28.43
identified; what kind of horns.
00:24:28.46\00:24:30.53
You know, for
example, the dragon beast that
00:24:30.57\00:24:32.70
says it has ten horns.
00:24:32.73\00:24:34.10
That doesn't say what
kind of ten horns they are.
00:24:34.14\00:24:36.04
It's just ten horns.
00:24:36.07\00:24:37.41
But with this
beast it specifies.
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It says that it has two
horns like a what? like a lamb.
00:24:40.68\00:24:45.11
That must be important.
00:24:45.15\00:24:46.48
Now the question is,
What does the lamb represent?
00:24:46.51\00:24:49.02
The word lamb is used in
the book of Revelation 29 times.
00:24:49.05\00:24:53.52
In 28 of those
references it indisputably
00:24:53.56\00:24:59.19
refers to Jesus Christ.
00:24:59.23\00:25:00.86
And so somehow this beast,
the only time where you might
00:25:00.93\00:25:06.00
have an exception is here
in this text, Revelation 13:11.
00:25:06.03\00:25:10.51
It must mean that somehow this
one nation, on its head it will
00:25:10.54\00:25:16.85
have two horns, which represent
two kingdoms, and those kingdoms
00:25:16.88\00:25:20.62
are the ones that
were recognized by whom?
00:25:20.65\00:25:23.25
They were recognized by
Jesus Christ, because the lamb
00:25:23.28\00:25:27.56
represents whom? The
lamb represents Jesus.
00:25:27.59\00:25:31.36
So the two horns like a lamb is
the positive side of this beast.
00:25:31.39\00:25:37.67
Let me ask you, Is
this good that it has two
00:25:37.70\00:25:40.24
horns like a lamb? sure.
00:25:40.30\00:25:42.54
But the problem is that if
it has two horns like the lamb,
00:25:42.57\00:25:45.54
in other words, two horns like
kingdoms that Jesus recognized,
00:25:45.57\00:25:50.51
but at the same time
it will speak like what?
00:25:50.55\00:25:53.68
It'll speak like a
dragon, because it has
00:25:53.72\00:25:56.08
a split personality.
00:25:56.12\00:25:57.49
In other words, the
two horns like a lamb
00:25:57.55\00:25:59.02
are the positive side.
00:25:59.05\00:26:00.49
They're related somehow
to the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:26:00.52\00:26:04.66
And so we need to ask the
question, What two kingdoms
00:26:04.69\00:26:08.46
did Jesus Christ
the Lamb recognize?
00:26:08.50\00:26:11.37
Because the two horns
are kingdoms, and they're two
00:26:11.40\00:26:15.74
horns like a lamb, so
they must be two kingdoms that
00:26:15.77\00:26:18.24
Jesus what? that
Jesus recognized.
00:26:18.27\00:26:20.88
Now the question is,
Which two kingdoms did Jesus
00:26:20.91\00:26:23.75
recognize as viable?
00:26:23.78\00:26:25.85
Well, we've studied
this in previous lectures.
00:26:25.88\00:26:29.12
You remember that Jesus says,
Render therefore unto Caesar
00:26:29.15\00:26:34.29
the things that are
Caesar's, and unto God the
00:26:34.32\00:26:38.66
things that are God's.
00:26:38.69\00:26:40.03
Did Jesus
recognize two kingdoms?
00:26:40.10\00:26:41.70
Did the Lamb of God recognize
two kingdoms? Yes, He did.
00:26:41.73\00:26:45.30
So let's summarize.
00:26:45.33\00:26:46.70
This beast that rises from
the earth must be a kingdom.
00:26:46.74\00:26:50.91
This beast that rises from
the earth, that has two horns,
00:26:50.94\00:26:54.78
the two horns must represent
that in that nation there are
00:26:54.81\00:26:58.08
two what? There
are two kingdoms.
00:26:58.11\00:27:00.55
And they have to be two
kingdoms that Jesus recognized,
00:27:00.58\00:27:03.92
because they are
two horns like what?
00:27:03.95\00:27:06.05
two horns like a lamb.
00:27:06.09\00:27:07.82
And we know that the two
kingdoms that Jesus recognized
00:27:07.86\00:27:11.73
are the kingdom of
Caesar, the civil government,
00:27:11.76\00:27:15.56
and the kingdom of God,
which is on earth, the church.
00:27:15.60\00:27:21.20
Now let's talk a little
bit about the history of the
00:27:21.24\00:27:25.67
United States of America.
00:27:25.71\00:27:27.08
What nation in the world
arose around the year 1798?
00:27:27.11\00:27:35.98
One nation that recognized
in its founding documents
00:27:36.02\00:27:41.92
the legitimate simultaneous
existence of two kingdoms
00:27:41.96\00:27:47.96
separate one from another.
00:27:47.96\00:27:49.90
There's only one nation
in the world that originated
00:27:49.93\00:27:54.14
as one nation that recognized
two kingdoms, the same kingdoms
00:27:54.20\00:27:58.31
that Jesus recognized as being
separate one from the other.
00:27:58.34\00:28:02.71
I want to read a statement from
the Great Controversy, Page 440,
00:28:02.74\00:28:06.65
this magnificent
book on Bible prophecy.
00:28:06.68\00:28:09.22
Here Ellen White says:
00:28:09.25\00:28:10.95
Now what I want to do is
go through the history of the
00:28:38.11\00:28:40.92
United States to show you
that in its founding documents
00:28:40.95\00:28:44.92
you have this
idea of one nation,
00:28:44.95\00:28:47.19
composed of two kingdoms,
separate one from the other.
00:28:47.26\00:28:51.46
Now the history of the United
States can be divided into two
00:28:51.49\00:28:54.96
great periods: the first period
is known as the Colonial period,
00:28:55.00\00:29:01.00
and the second period is known
as the Constitutional period.
00:29:01.04\00:29:06.44
You know, the Constitutional
fathers: men such as George
00:29:06.47\00:29:10.61
Washington, Thomas Jefferson,
John Adams, James Madison,
00:29:10.68\00:29:15.88
and Benjamin
Franklin knew three things.
00:29:15.92\00:29:19.22
These were the Constitutional
fathers that arose
00:29:19.25\00:29:22.42
around the year 1798 to
write the founding documents
00:29:22.46\00:29:25.53
of the United States.
00:29:25.56\00:29:26.93
They knew three things: first of
all they knew the history of the
00:29:26.96\00:29:30.90
church in the middle ages.
00:29:30.97\00:29:32.30
In fact, do you know, that
every founding document of the
00:29:32.33\00:29:36.57
United States: the
Declaration of Independence,
00:29:36.60\00:29:38.61
the Constitution, and the
Bill of Rights were all ratified
00:29:38.64\00:29:41.94
before the beast
received its deadly wound?
00:29:41.98\00:29:44.25
As the first kingdom was coming
to an end, or receiving its
00:29:44.28\00:29:50.39
deadly wound, the other kingdom,
in its founding documents,
00:29:50.42\00:29:53.86
was rising to power.
00:29:53.89\00:29:55.59
That's very, very interesting.
00:29:55.62\00:29:57.43
And the founding fathers
knew the history of the church
00:29:57.46\00:30:04.47
in the middle ages.
00:30:04.50\00:30:06.03
They also knew the
history of the United States
00:30:06.07\00:30:09.80
in the Colonial period.
00:30:09.84\00:30:11.37
And they also knew their Bibles,
as we're going to notice.
00:30:11.41\00:30:15.71
Now the Constitutional fathers
knew, and they were living
00:30:15.74\00:30:20.18
at the end of the 1260 years,
that when church and state are
00:30:20.22\00:30:24.25
joined together, the
automatic result is persecution.
00:30:24.29\00:30:28.52
For example, they knew
the history of John Hus,
00:30:28.56\00:30:31.49
that man who was convicted,
and burned at the stake
00:30:31.53\00:30:35.66
for his religious convictions.
00:30:35.70\00:30:37.50
They knew, for example, that
he had been kept in sub-human
00:30:37.53\00:30:41.20
conditions in prison squalor.
00:30:41.24\00:30:44.34
They knew that false
witnesses were called to
00:30:44.37\00:30:47.51
testify against him.
00:30:47.54\00:30:49.31
They knew that he had
violated no civil laws.
00:30:49.34\00:30:52.18
They knew that he was tried
for the religious convictions
00:30:52.21\00:30:54.78
of his conscience.
00:30:54.82\00:30:56.15
They knew that he was called
before a religious tribunal,
00:30:56.18\00:30:58.79
much like the
Sanhedrin, at first.
00:30:58.82\00:31:01.42
He knew that that religious
tribunal had pronounced a death
00:31:01.46\00:31:04.33
sentence against him.
00:31:04.36\00:31:05.69
And they knew that then they
took him to the emperor to have
00:31:05.73\00:31:09.93
the emperor stamp his imprimatur
upon the sentence of death.
00:31:09.96\00:31:15.00
And they knew that because of
his religious convictions he was
00:31:15.04\00:31:18.11
burned at the stake.
00:31:18.14\00:31:19.47
They knew the history of
the church in the middle ages,
00:31:19.51\00:31:22.64
when church and state
were united or joined together.
00:31:22.68\00:31:25.91
I'd like to read you a
few statements from this very
00:31:25.95\00:31:28.75
interesting book that I have.
00:31:28.78\00:31:30.15
It's called, Hus the Heretic
00:31:30.19\00:31:31.92
It's written by an individual
called Poggius the Papist.
00:31:31.95\00:31:36.83
In fact, this is the man
who was sent to arrest John Hus.
00:31:36.89\00:31:40.93
And, actually, as he watched
the way that John Hus was
00:31:40.96\00:31:44.40
treated by the Roman Catholic
Church, he actually came to
00:31:44.43\00:31:47.87
sympathize with John
Hus, as against the church
00:31:47.90\00:31:50.84
that he represented.
00:31:50.87\00:31:52.21
Let me read about the conditions
that John Hus was in because of
00:31:52.24\00:31:55.78
the convictions
of his conscience
00:31:55.81\00:31:57.21
during the middle ages.
00:31:57.28\00:31:58.61
This is on page 19 of this book.
00:31:58.65\00:32:01.88
After a short while Hus was let
out of his dungeon into a decent
00:32:01.92\00:32:06.65
chamber, but his feet
almost refused to carry him.
00:32:06.69\00:32:10.13
He swayed as he walked.
00:32:10.16\00:32:12.46
Listless and unused to the
day was the light of his eyes,
00:32:12.49\00:32:18.97
deathly pale his cheeks,
and loose what was left of his
00:32:19.00\00:32:23.17
teeth, since 11 had fallen
out due to the damp prison.
00:32:23.20\00:32:27.34
The nails on his fingers were
terribly long, because he had
00:32:27.38\00:32:31.08
been unable to bite
them off for many weeks.
00:32:31.11\00:32:34.08
Upon his skin was a
crust of dirt, which exuded am
00:32:34.12\00:32:38.32
awful stench, and his otherwise
brown hair fell in white
00:32:38.35\00:32:42.26
ringlets upon his
rotting and torn garb.
00:32:42.29\00:32:45.73
This is an individual who
belongs to the Roman Catholic
00:32:45.76\00:32:49.46
papacy describing this.
00:32:49.50\00:32:51.33
His shoes had rotted upon
his feet, and his shirt and
00:32:51.37\00:32:54.97
loincloth had vanished.
00:32:55.00\00:32:56.64
The rounded flesh which had
covered his bones had shrunken,
00:32:56.67\00:33:00.48
and shriveled, and
he had become a picture
00:33:00.51\00:33:03.48
of woe without equal,
unrecognizable to those who
00:33:03.55\00:33:07.12
had known him before.
00:33:07.15\00:33:08.48
Horror filled those who looked
upon him, and pitying people
00:33:08.52\00:33:12.82
prepared a bath for him,
brought shirts and clothing,
00:33:12.85\00:33:15.86
and refreshed him with
strengthening foods, for which
00:33:15.89\00:33:19.06
he could only
thank with tearful eyes.
00:33:19.09\00:33:22.56
On page 28 we find this
statement: With the clock
00:33:22.60\00:33:28.20
striking 8, and the bells
telling, the procession of
00:33:28.24\00:33:32.64
Bishops,
Cardinals, and Fathers...
00:33:32.67\00:33:34.68
See this is, they're
taking him to his trial now,
00:33:34.71\00:33:36.81
to his religious trial.
00:33:36.85\00:33:38.18
Notice who he's
appearing before.
00:33:38.21\00:33:39.61
The procession of
Bishops, Cardinals, and Fathers,
00:33:39.65\00:33:42.52
and Deputies moved
towards the church where a chair
00:33:42.55\00:33:45.99
had been placed for Hus,
about which the seats of the
00:33:46.02\00:33:49.26
gentlemen were arranged.
00:33:49.29\00:33:51.23
He was brought there for the
convictions of his conscience.
00:33:51.26\00:33:54.56
He had violated
absolutely no civil laws.
00:33:54.60\00:33:57.77
In fact when they gave him
an opportunity to speak he said
00:33:57.80\00:34:03.20
this: God gave to
Peter, His disciple...
00:34:03.24\00:34:08.34
And notice the
terminology; very important.
00:34:08.38\00:34:10.35
God gave to Peter, His disciple,
the key to open all hearts,
00:34:10.38\00:34:15.62
and to have enough faith
with it, but not the sword.
00:34:15.65\00:34:21.82
God gave Peter the what?
00:34:21.86\00:34:23.56
He gave him the key to
open hearts, but not the sword
00:34:23.63\00:34:28.83
to slay, as you slay, all those
who do not accept your worldly
00:34:28.86\00:34:34.47
doctrines, and who evade them.
00:34:34.50\00:34:36.91
Did he understand
what the sword is?
00:34:36.97\00:34:39.31
He most certainly
understood what the sword was.
00:34:39.34\00:34:41.71
He said you haven't
been given the sword.
00:34:41.74\00:34:43.41
You've been given the key
to open the heavenly kingdom.
00:34:43.45\00:34:46.18
When the final vote was taken
among the religious dignitaries,
00:34:46.21\00:34:50.75
31 votes were cast not guilty.
00:34:50.79\00:34:53.92
11 votes were cast
for excommunication.
00:34:53.96\00:34:58.36
And 45 votes
were cast for death.
00:34:58.39\00:35:02.43
And then he was taken to
the Emperor, who had promised to
00:35:02.46\00:35:07.17
give him safe conduct back to
his home, and he broke his word.
00:35:07.24\00:35:11.97
In fact there was a Count
there, Count Slum who told the
00:35:12.01\00:35:17.55
Emperor... And I'd like to read
the words that he spoke to the
00:35:17.58\00:35:21.12
Emperor as he was about to
sign the death warrant for Hus.
00:35:21.15\00:35:27.06
This is what he said: Caesar...
Notice he calls him Caesar.
00:35:27.09\00:35:32.26
Caesar desist from such doings.
00:35:32.29\00:35:34.36
Caesar, Caesar, do not
write your name with blood.
00:35:34.36\00:35:37.53
But Poggius continues saying,
But the Emperor's ears were
00:35:37.57\00:35:41.90
deaf, and were further closed
by the Cardinals, Bishops,
00:35:41.94\00:35:45.94
and priests who crowded
about him, kissed the hem of his
00:35:45.97\00:35:49.44
garments, and praised his
name when he seized the quill
00:35:49.48\00:35:53.48
and wrote his name.
00:35:53.52\00:35:55.12
And Hus was taken, and
he was burned at the stake.
00:35:55.15\00:35:58.65
You know, I've been in
the Palace of the Inquisition
00:35:58.69\00:36:01.89
in Lima, Peru. It's a
depressing experience.
00:36:01.92\00:36:06.49
They actually have models where
they show the types of torture
00:36:06.53\00:36:10.67
that were used against people
for no reason other than they
00:36:10.70\00:36:14.54
did not agree with the church.
00:36:14.57\00:36:16.30
Torture and death; some
were even burned at the stake,
00:36:16.34\00:36:21.28
like John Hus was
burned at the stake.
00:36:21.31\00:36:23.55
And it wasn't the church who
did it, but the church used the
00:36:23.58\00:36:27.02
sword of the state in
order to accomplish its purpose.
00:36:27.05\00:36:30.82
You see, the Constitutional
fathers not only knew the
00:36:30.89\00:36:34.16
history of Europe, when church
and state are joined together,
00:36:34.19\00:36:36.19
they also knew the
history of the Colonial period
00:36:36.22\00:36:39.23
in the United States.
00:36:39.26\00:36:40.60
You know, there are many
people who misunderstand,
00:36:40.63\00:36:42.96
or don't understand
the Colonial period.
00:36:43.00\00:36:44.73
Do you know that during the
Colonial period, which begins
00:36:44.77\00:36:47.40
around 1620 when the pilgrims
arrived in the United States,
00:36:47.44\00:36:51.71
atheists, Jews, Quakers, and
Baptists were deprived of their
00:36:51.74\00:36:56.91
religious rights, because
they did not agree with the
00:36:56.95\00:36:59.35
established church of the
Colonies, which was the Puritan,
00:36:59.38\00:37:02.55
or was the Anglican Church.
00:37:02.58\00:37:04.39
Did you know that there were
Sunday laws in the Colonies,
00:37:04.42\00:37:07.76
and if you didn't go to church
on Sunday, you could be whipped,
00:37:07.79\00:37:10.16
you could be fined,
you could be jailed?
00:37:10.19\00:37:12.26
And in the case of three
Colonies, you could be executed
00:37:12.29\00:37:15.33
for not coming
to church on Sunday?
00:37:15.36\00:37:17.30
Did you know that they actually
cut off the ears of Quakers
00:37:17.37\00:37:20.97
for coming back when they had
been exiled from the Colonies?
00:37:21.00\00:37:24.14
If they came back
once the cut off one ear.
00:37:24.21\00:37:26.31
If they came back
the second time they cut
00:37:26.34\00:37:28.04
off the second ear.
00:37:28.08\00:37:29.41
And if they caught them the
third time they executed them
00:37:29.44\00:37:31.68
for their religious convictions.
00:37:31.71\00:37:33.15
Did you know that:
00:37:33.18\00:37:34.52
And also the government paid
the salaries of the ministers,
00:37:40.99\00:37:46.36
interestingly enough.
00:37:46.39\00:37:48.13
And so the church and the
state were joined together,
00:37:48.16\00:37:51.30
and as a result
you had persecution.
00:37:51.33\00:37:53.34
You know, many people
know the story, for example,
00:37:53.40\00:37:55.90
of Roger Williams.
00:37:55.94\00:37:57.27
Roger Williams arrived
in the Colonies in 1629.
00:37:57.31\00:38:00.21
He pastored a church there, but
he started teaching separation
00:38:00.24\00:38:03.78
of church and state.
00:38:03.81\00:38:05.15
He said, There are to be
two kingdoms in this country,
00:38:05.18\00:38:08.12
absolutely, but they're supposed
to be separate one from another.
00:38:08.15\00:38:11.02
Because that's
what Jesus taught.
00:38:11.05\00:38:12.69
Are you seeing
what the two horns are?
00:38:12.72\00:38:14.12
Jesus said, Two
kingdoms in the same nation,
00:38:14.19\00:38:17.39
separate, one from another.
00:38:17.46\00:38:19.46
And, of course, what
he was teaching went over
00:38:19.49\00:38:21.86
like a lead balloon.
00:38:21.90\00:38:23.23
And so they banished him from
the Massachusetts Bay Colony.
00:38:23.26\00:38:27.74
And he himself says
that towards the end of 1635,
00:38:27.77\00:38:32.34
and the beginning of 1636,
he had to flee for three weeks,
00:38:32.37\00:38:35.24
through huge show drifts to
get out of the Massachusetts Bay
00:38:35.28\00:38:39.68
Colony, because
he had been banished.
00:38:39.71\00:38:42.08
And if they found him in there
they could throw him in prison,
00:38:42.12\00:38:44.29
or they could even execute him.
00:38:44.32\00:38:45.72
And so he ended up in Rhode
Island, and he established the
00:38:45.75\00:38:49.79
Capital of Rhode
Island, which is Providence.
00:38:49.82\00:38:52.73
That's interesting that he
would call that city Providence.
00:38:52.76\00:38:56.50
And so the founding fathers knew
the history of what happens when
00:38:56.53\00:39:01.94
church and state are
united together in Europe.
00:39:01.97\00:39:04.54
They knew what happened
when church and state are joined
00:39:04.57\00:39:07.78
together in the United
States in the Colonial period.
00:39:07.81\00:39:11.71
They also knew their Bibles.
00:39:11.75\00:39:13.21
In several places they wrote
about how they knew that because
00:39:13.25\00:39:17.02
the Jews allied themselves with
the Roman state, that led to the
00:39:17.05\00:39:21.96
death of Jesus Christ.
00:39:21.99\00:39:23.32
They knew three things:
they knew the history of Europe
00:39:23.36\00:39:26.03
in the middle ages, they
knew the Colonial period,
00:39:26.06\00:39:28.53
and they knew their Bibles.
00:39:28.56\00:39:29.90
And they knew that when
these two kingdoms become one
00:39:29.93\00:39:32.60
automatically
there is persecution.
00:39:32.63\00:39:35.47
And so the Constitutional
fathers, knowing this,
00:39:35.50\00:39:38.64
when the wrote the Declaration
of Independence in 1776,
00:39:38.67\00:39:44.05
and the Constitution
was ratified in 1787,
00:39:44.08\00:39:47.62
and the Bill of Rights, which
are the first ten amendments
00:39:47.65\00:39:50.39
to the Constitution,
was ratified in 1791.
00:39:50.42\00:39:53.29
They said, We're going to have
a different system of government
00:39:53.36\00:39:57.23
in this nation
that we're establishing.
00:39:57.26\00:39:59.09
We are going to have,
yes, church and state,
00:39:59.13\00:40:02.70
but church and state
are going to be separated
00:40:02.73\00:40:05.23
like Jesus taught: two
kingdoms in one nation.
00:40:05.27\00:40:12.41
The same two kingdoms
that Jesus Christ recognized.
00:40:12.44\00:40:17.45
And remember that this is
taking place immediately before
00:40:17.51\00:40:20.48
the first beast
received its deadly wound.
00:40:20.52\00:40:23.65
By the way, this idea of the
separation of church and state
00:40:23.69\00:40:27.52
is known as
Republicanism and Protestantism.
00:40:27.56\00:40:31.26
You see, during the middle
ages, what happened is in civil
00:40:31.29\00:40:35.36
affairs the king was the law.
00:40:35.40\00:40:37.90
You know, whatever the
king said, in civil matters,
00:40:37.93\00:40:41.04
that's what was done.
00:40:41.07\00:40:42.40
In religious matters whatever
the Pope said, that was done.
00:40:42.44\00:40:46.94
In other words, all of
the power flowed from up down.
00:40:47.01\00:40:50.01
But the Constitutional fathers
said, We're going to try a
00:40:50.08\00:40:54.18
revolutionary experiment.
00:40:54.25\00:40:55.65
We're going to have not
the power flow from up down,
00:40:55.68\00:40:59.05
from the king down to the
people, so that they have to
00:40:59.09\00:41:01.09
jump when he says jump.
00:41:01.12\00:41:02.92
We're not going to have the
power flow from the Pope down,
00:41:02.96\00:41:06.73
where everybody has to
subject themselves blindly.
00:41:06.80\00:41:08.90
No, we're going to have a system
of government where the power
00:41:08.93\00:41:12.00
flows down up; a government
of the people, by the people,
00:41:12.03\00:41:17.51
and for the people; where there
will be freedom of religion,
00:41:17.57\00:41:21.98
and where there'll be
also freedom in civil matters.
00:41:22.01\00:41:26.82
It's interesting to notice
Ellen White was born 29 years
00:41:26.88\00:41:30.59
after the deadly wound.
00:41:30.89\00:41:32.22
It's interesting to notice
how she describes this idea
00:41:32.25\00:41:36.36
of the founding fathers.
00:41:36.39\00:41:37.73
In The Great
Controversy, page 441, she says:
00:41:37.76\00:41:40.76
That has to do
with civil power, right?
00:41:49.04\00:41:51.67
What kingdom does that have
to do with? the religious power.
00:41:55.38\00:41:59.85
She continues saying:
00:41:59.88\00:42:01.35
How many kingdoms there?
civil and religious liberty.
00:42:09.06\00:42:12.99
Did you catch this?
00:42:41.62\00:42:43.53
She's talking about
civil matters, and what?
00:42:43.59\00:42:46.90
religious matters. She says:
00:42:46.96\00:42:49.10
Which, by the way,
means a state without a king.
00:42:58.67\00:43:01.41
Which means a
church without a Pope.
00:43:03.78\00:43:06.05
And now notice what she says:
00:43:09.68\00:43:11.62
What is the secret of
the power and prosperity
00:43:16.49\00:43:19.63
of the United States?
all the money we have?
00:43:19.66\00:43:21.50
all of the vast
territory we have?
00:43:21.53\00:43:24.50
The powerful
military that we have?
00:43:24.53\00:43:27.64
No, the secret of the power
of this nation is found in the
00:43:27.67\00:43:31.74
two principles upon
which it was established.
00:43:31.77\00:43:35.24
And she goes on to say that
when these two principles are
00:43:35.28\00:43:39.61
repudiated... And we'll talk
about this when we deal with
00:43:39.65\00:43:41.98
the image to the beast.
00:43:42.02\00:43:43.35
When these two principles are
repudiated, that will lead to
00:43:43.39\00:43:46.65
national apostasy,
and national apostasy will
00:43:46.72\00:43:49.99
lead to national ruin.
00:43:50.03\00:43:52.03
She also says in The
Great Controversy, page 442,
00:43:52.06\00:43:57.77
I want to read you
three statements from three
00:44:12.65\00:44:15.45
of the founding fathers.
00:44:15.48\00:44:16.82
First Benjamin Franklin.
00:44:16.89\00:44:18.55
You know, he had an interesting
way of putting things.
00:44:18.59\00:44:21.12
This is what he said: When
religion is good, I can see that
00:44:21.16\00:44:26.13
it will support itself.
00:44:26.16\00:44:27.50
And when it does not support
itself, and God does not take
00:44:27.50\00:44:32.83
care to support it, so that
its professors are obliged to
00:44:32.87\00:44:37.07
call for the help of the civil
powers, tis a sign I apprehend,
00:44:37.11\00:44:41.68
of it being a bad one.
00:44:41.71\00:44:43.71
Was he right? Of
course he was right.
00:44:43.75\00:44:47.52
He's talking about
separation of church and state.
00:44:47.58\00:44:50.15
Notice these
words that are etched on
00:44:50.19\00:44:52.15
the Jefferson Monument.
00:44:52.19\00:44:54.26
You can go to
Washington, D. C., and go to the
00:44:54.29\00:44:56.52
Jefferson Monument.
00:44:56.56\00:44:57.89
These are the words
that are etched in stone.
00:44:57.93\00:44:59.73
This is what he said:
00:44:59.76\00:45:01.26
Did Thomas Jefferson
believe in the separation
00:45:39.70\00:45:42.34
of church and state?
00:45:42.37\00:45:43.71
Did he believe in two kingdoms?
00:45:43.77\00:45:45.11
Yes, separate from one another.
00:45:45.14\00:45:47.18
Notice the words
of George Washington.
00:45:47.24\00:45:49.51
These are words from the Baptist
Delegation, August 8, 1789.
00:45:49.54\00:45:55.22
Here Washington says:
00:45:55.25\00:45:57.19
Three of the founding fathers;
Thomas Jefferson was actually
00:46:59.88\00:47:06.89
one of the
architects of the Constitution
00:47:06.92\00:47:10.26
of the United States.
00:47:10.29\00:47:11.63
Let me ask you once again,
Did these men believe in two
00:47:11.66\00:47:16.06
kingdoms within
the same nation? Yes.
00:47:16.10\00:47:19.70
And sometimes I ask
people when I lecture on this,
00:47:19.73\00:47:21.94
I say, Let me ask you, How many
kingdoms are you citizens of?
00:47:21.97\00:47:27.78
How many
countries are we in now?
00:47:27.81\00:47:31.71
We're in one country, right?
00:47:31.75\00:47:33.92
But how many kingdoms are
we citizens of in one nation?
00:47:33.95\00:47:39.32
We are citizens of two kingdoms.
00:47:39.35\00:47:41.62
We have two passports.
00:47:41.66\00:47:42.99
One passport is
a U. S. passport.
00:47:43.02\00:47:45.03
That's the civil passport.
00:47:45.06\00:47:48.20
And then we have
the blood of the lamb,
00:47:48.23\00:47:49.73
which is the other passport.
00:47:49.76\00:47:51.10
You see we're
citizens of one nation,
00:47:51.13\00:47:54.44
because we were born here,
or we were naturalized here.
00:47:54.47\00:47:58.01
We're citizens
of the other nation,
00:47:58.04\00:48:00.04
because of the new
birth; we were born again.
00:48:00.11\00:48:03.98
And so we live in one nation,
but within that one nation
00:48:04.01\00:48:08.18
there are two kingdoms
that are to be ever what?
00:48:08.22\00:48:10.92
separate one from another.
00:48:10.95\00:48:12.95
You know, there are many
Christian activists today
00:48:12.99\00:48:16.02
in the United States who say
that the separation of church
00:48:16.06\00:48:20.33
and state was established
so that the state could not
00:48:20.36\00:48:22.86
control the church.
00:48:22.90\00:48:24.27
But the history of the middle
ages, and the history of the
00:48:24.30\00:48:26.87
colonial period shows that the
reason why the founding fathers
00:48:26.94\00:48:30.11
separated church and state
was because there was a danger
00:48:30.14\00:48:32.91
that the church
should use the state
00:48:32.94\00:48:34.71
to accomplish her purposes.
00:48:34.74\00:48:36.78
Frequently Christian
activists also will say,
00:48:36.85\00:48:39.81
Well, the expression separation
of church and state is not found
00:48:39.85\00:48:43.99
anywhere in the Constitution.
00:48:44.02\00:48:45.82
And that's true. If you
look in the Constitution for an
00:48:45.85\00:48:49.49
expression that says
separation of church and state,
00:48:49.52\00:48:52.03
you're not going to find it.
00:48:52.06\00:48:53.40
But if you read the First
Amendment to the Constitution
00:48:53.43\00:48:57.43
you're going to find that
clearly in the First Amendment
00:48:57.47\00:49:01.24
is the idea of the
separation of church and state;
00:49:01.27\00:49:04.67
of religion from politics.
00:49:04.71\00:49:06.31
Notice what the
First Amendment says:
00:49:06.34\00:49:08.41
Now what part of no
law don't you understand?
00:49:11.41\00:49:13.58
This is the first
clause of the First Amendment.
00:49:20.59\00:49:23.96
In other words, it doesn't say
that Congress can't make a law
00:49:27.56\00:49:30.57
establishing a church,
or Congress can't make a law
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establishing a religion. No.
00:49:35.64\00:49:38.21
It says Congress shall
make no law respecting an
00:49:38.24\00:49:40.71
establishment of religion.
00:49:40.78\00:49:42.51
In other words, what the
First Amendment forbids is not
00:49:42.54\00:49:46.35
favoring one church above
another church, or one religion
00:49:46.38\00:49:50.19
above another religion.
00:49:50.22\00:49:51.55
The First Amendment forbids
the Congress from enacting laws
00:49:51.59\00:49:55.69
that have anything to
do with religion, period.
00:49:55.72\00:49:59.46
And so the First Amendment,
the first clause of the
00:49:59.49\00:50:01.56
First Amendment says:
00:50:01.60\00:50:02.93
And then you have
the second clause:
00:50:06.00\00:50:07.74
That's known as the
establishment clause,
00:50:10.87\00:50:15.01
and the free exercise clause.
00:50:15.04\00:50:16.71
In other words, the government
can't tell you to worship
00:50:16.75\00:50:19.21
in a certain way, and the
government can't forbid you
00:50:19.25\00:50:22.02
to worship in the way that your
conscience tells you to worship.
00:50:22.05\00:50:25.92
Let me ask you, Does that
very clearly, and obviously,
00:50:25.95\00:50:30.43
establish a separation
between church and state?
00:50:30.49\00:50:32.76
It most certainly does, because
the First Amendment says that
00:50:32.79\00:50:36.43
Congress can't make any
law having to do with religion.
00:50:36.46\00:50:39.10
It cannot tell you to practice
religion in a certain way,
00:50:39.13\00:50:43.54
and it can't forbid
you from practicing your
00:50:43.57\00:50:45.57
religion in a certain way.
00:50:45.61\00:50:47.11
In other words,
there's a separation between
00:50:47.14\00:50:49.24
the civil power and
the religious power.
00:50:49.28\00:50:52.38
James Madison, who is known as
the father of the Constitution,
00:50:52.41\00:50:56.55
had this to say
about the Constitution,
00:50:56.62\00:51:01.39
and the relationship
between religion and government.
00:51:01.42\00:51:04.06
He said this:
00:51:04.13\00:51:05.46
That is with religion.
00:51:15.00\00:51:16.34
Is that clear? In 1797 the
United States signed a treaty,
00:51:27.92\00:51:34.22
it's known as the
Treaty of Tripoli.
00:51:34.26\00:51:35.72
It's was actually approved
by President John Adams.
00:51:35.76\00:51:38.86
And this is what the
Treaty of Tripoli said.
00:51:38.89\00:51:41.10
This is only a
portion of the treaty.
00:51:41.13\00:51:42.60
Now we need to understand
that it was founded upon this
00:51:50.14\00:51:53.54
idea of two principles:
separation of church and state,
00:51:53.61\00:51:56.24
separation of civil
matters from religious matters.
00:51:56.28\00:51:59.55
But that doesn't mean that
the United States was founded
00:51:59.58\00:52:02.68
as a Christian nation.
00:52:02.72\00:52:04.09
It was founded as a
nation of Christians.
00:52:04.12\00:52:06.99
It's different to say
that it was a Christian nation
00:52:07.06\00:52:10.03
than to say that it is a nation
of Christians, where most of
00:52:10.06\00:52:13.26
the people, at that time
at least, were Christians.
00:52:13.29\00:52:16.16
Now what about Thomas Jefferson?
00:52:16.20\00:52:17.93
In 1802 he wrote a letter to
the Danbury Baptist Association,
00:52:17.97\00:52:23.37
and he used what is known
as the metaphor of the wall.
00:52:23.41\00:52:27.48
And, actually, he probably
got this metaphor "on the wall"
00:52:27.54\00:52:31.58
from Roger
Williams long before him.
00:52:31.61\00:52:34.22
But he didn't give
him credit if he did.
00:52:34.28\00:52:36.75
Notice what he had to
say to the Danbury Baptists.
00:52:36.79\00:52:39.82
Do you know what, I think Thomas
Jefferson knew much better what
00:53:19.89\00:53:23.23
the First Amendment to the
Constitution meant than the
00:53:23.26\00:53:26.23
Christian Revisionists
who want to rewrite it,
00:53:26.27\00:53:29.60
and reinterpret it
today, because he was nearer
00:53:29.64\00:53:33.48
to the event, and he
actually participated in it.
00:53:33.54\00:53:35.78
By the way, do you know
that the third clause of the
00:53:35.81\00:53:39.05
First Amendment
to the Constitution
00:53:39.08\00:53:40.92
has to do with civil rights?
00:53:40.95\00:53:42.42
Isn't it interesting that in the
First Amendment you have these
00:53:42.45\00:53:45.19
two things: the first two
clauses deal with religious
00:53:45.25\00:53:48.69
freedom, and the last
part of the First Amendment
00:53:48.72\00:53:52.13
deals with civil liberty?
00:53:52.16\00:53:53.80
Thus encased, folks, within
the First Amendment to the
00:53:53.86\00:53:58.23
Constitution, one of
the founding documents
00:53:58.27\00:54:00.57
of the United States, you
have this idea of two kingdoms:
00:54:00.64\00:54:04.41
in the
Declaration of Independence,
00:54:04.44\00:54:06.91
in the Constitution,
and in the Bill of Rights.
00:54:06.98\00:54:09.54
You have this idea of
separation of church and state.
00:54:09.58\00:54:13.82
You know the third clause,
having to do with civil liberty,
00:54:13.85\00:54:19.69
guarantees freedom of
speech, freedom of the press,
00:54:19.72\00:54:23.43
freedom of assembly, and freedom
to petition the government
00:54:23.46\00:54:28.33
for a redress of grievances.
00:54:28.40\00:54:30.17
Let me ask you, Are
those civil rights? Yes.
00:54:30.23\00:54:32.63
And so in the First Amendment
you have religious rights,
00:54:32.67\00:54:35.70
and you have civil
rights, contained within
00:54:35.74\00:54:39.47
the same Amendment.
00:54:39.51\00:54:42.11
So what is it that
is going to happen,
00:54:42.18\00:54:45.55
according to Bible prophecy?
00:54:45.58\00:54:47.08
According to Bible prophecy,
this beast that arose from the
00:54:47.12\00:54:52.72
earth, that at first sustained
the idea that this is one nation
00:54:52.75\00:55:00.46
having two kingdoms,
separate from one another,
00:55:00.53\00:55:04.60
church and state, where you
could be actually a citizen of
00:55:04.63\00:55:08.67
both within the same country;
where Congress could make no law
00:55:08.70\00:55:12.41
respecting an establishment
of religion, nor forbidding the
00:55:12.44\00:55:16.11
free exercise of religion.
00:55:16.14\00:55:17.91
Prophecy tells us that this
nation is going to repudiate
00:55:17.95\00:55:22.32
those principles, because we're
told in Revelation 13 that this
00:55:22.35\00:55:26.45
beast had two horns like a lamb,
which we've clearly identified
00:55:26.49\00:55:30.56
as these two kingdoms, which
represent the church and the
00:55:30.63\00:55:34.30
state, and they derive
ideas of freedom of religion,
00:55:34.30\00:55:37.77
and also civil freedom.
00:55:37.80\00:55:40.90
What's going to happen is this
country is going to repudiate
00:55:40.94\00:55:44.74
these two principles, and it
is going to speak like a dragon.
00:55:44.77\00:55:50.45
In other words, it is going
to become a persecuting power,
00:55:50.51\00:55:55.32
like the dragon
tried to kill the child
00:55:55.35\00:55:58.19
when the child was born.
00:55:58.22\00:55:59.55
That was Rome, by the way.
00:55:59.59\00:56:01.59
Like the dragon tried to destroy
the woman in the wilderness
00:56:01.62\00:56:05.59
during the 1260 years.
00:56:05.63\00:56:07.60
That was another
Rome, by the way.
00:56:07.66\00:56:10.80
This same Rome, at the end
of time, will recover the sword.
00:56:10.87\00:56:15.70
And the most unlikely of all
nations will be the nation that
00:56:15.74\00:56:20.58
will return the sword to this
sea beast, so that it can once
00:56:20.61\00:56:25.41
again persecute the
saints of the Most High.
00:56:25.45\00:56:28.55
You know, I pray to God
that this wouldn't happen.
00:56:28.58\00:56:33.36
That as people hear what
I'm presenting, and watch it on
00:56:33.39\00:56:37.73
television, they'd say,
Wow, This is an amazing history
00:56:37.76\00:56:42.10
of the United States of America.
00:56:42.13\00:56:43.97
We can't allow this to happen!
00:56:44.03\00:56:45.77
We cannot allow this church to
use the United States of America
00:56:45.80\00:56:51.41
to accomplish such purposes.
00:56:51.44\00:56:53.17
We cannot have
another Middle Ages.
00:56:53.21\00:56:56.38
We must stand firm with
our principles upon which
00:56:56.41\00:57:01.28
our nation was established.
00:57:01.32\00:57:02.65
I pray to God
that that would happen.
00:57:02.68\00:57:04.65
Bible prophecy tells us
that as God has announced,
00:57:04.69\00:57:09.16
things are going to happen.
00:57:09.19\00:57:10.56
They happen because God knows
the end from the beginning.
00:57:10.59\00:57:14.30
He does not determine them that
way, but He knows that they're
00:57:14.36\00:57:17.80
going to occur, because He knows
the end from the beginning.
00:57:17.83\00:57:21.27
I pray that in this final
conflict we will choose to be
00:57:21.30\00:57:25.01
on the right side.
00:57:25.04\00:57:26.37