Participants: Kathy Matthews, Leroy Moore, Richard O'Ffill
Series Code: TAH
Program Code: TAH000179
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00:31 Welcome to Thinking About Home.
00:32 I'm Kathy Matthews your host 00:34 and today we are going to have two guests 00:36 and they are Pastor Leroy Moore 00:39 and he is from Alberta, Canada. 00:41 He has been a teacher, he is also an author 00:43 of two wonderful books that have always 00:45 blessed me. And our Pastor Richard O'Ffill 00:49 of whom I call Dick most of the time 00:52 and his smiling face has been with us for many 00:55 programs and we are always glad 00:56 that you have joined us again. 00:58 Thank you I'm glad to be here. Glad you 00:59 here today. And Pastor Moore we are going to be 01:01 using this chart today. Aren't we? Yes. 01:03 We're gonna be talking more about 01:04 how this can help us in our families 01:07 and with our parenting, with our children, 01:09 with relationships, is that right? It's right. 01:12 I think that one of the things that I have 01:13 appreciated about in getting acquainted 01:16 with Pastor Moore is that he is a person 01:20 that believes in getting back to the beginning 01:22 of things. Yes and that's right. 01:23 You know, you know our lives are pretty well 01:24 scrambled and sometimes you know your life 01:28 can get so scrambled, you know, 01:30 it's like a ball of strain. You can just 01:31 get it so tangle that you can't untangle it. 01:33 Right. And I think one of the things 01:34 that have appreciated as we have talked to him, 01:37 you know, is untangling that. 01:39 Well really untangling, we are starting again 01:42 and I think one of the emphases that 01:46 he has is let's go back to the beginning. 01:48 Let's see how it was supposed to be done. 01:49 Right. It's pretty hard to take up where 01:52 you have left off if it just a mass. Right. 01:54 So let's go back and God gives us a new 01:56 beginning. I think that's what the Gospel 01:58 is about. Isn't that Elder? That's right. 01:59 The Gospel is our new beginning. 02:00 It's a new beginning. Right, right so. 02:02 And so actually what we are doing 02:04 is going back to the ancient time 02:07 which is today really because God wants us 02:10 to begin today. Yes. And when we look 02:14 at this little model here it's designed 02:19 to help us to understand how God made us. 02:21 Yes. And when God made man, 02:24 he made man with the faculties that 02:27 all animals have. But also with faculties 02:31 that animals don't have. Right. 02:33 And it's the faculties that animals don't have 02:36 that makes him in the image of God. 02:39 Which are the reason, judgment, 02:42 ability to discern right from wrong. 02:44 Right okay. Good from evil. Right. 02:47 And the will which is the command centre 02:51 for the whole body. That's good. 02:53 But interestingly enough there is a 02:56 second centre and that has to do with the 03:01 autonomic nervous system and it is the 03:05 centre that controls the impulses. 03:09 The various emotions, here, right here. 03:14 Emotions, instincts and affections. Yes, 03:16 and the God designed man in such a way 03:21 that he would be free. He could make 03:25 his own choice and decision God would 03:27 never interfere, but he was also dependent. 03:30 Dependent upon the Holy Spirit 03:32 and God's word. Yes. It didn't need to be 03:35 written in those days, but nevertheless 03:37 it was God's word. God explained, 03:40 God told man, he gave him instructions 03:43 and one of the instructions that 03:45 he gave him was to choose to eat 03:49 of the tree of life. There were two trees. 03:51 Yes. And the tree of life was the symbol of 03:54 dependents upon Christ. Yes. 03:57 Who is the life giver. Right. 03:59 The other tree was the symbol of independence. 04:02 A symbol that he was choosing to just learn 04:09 independently of God. It was a tree of 04:11 knowledge good and evil. The tree of life 04:14 was actually the tree of knowledge, 04:16 but it was the knowledge that the creator 04:20 would give. He want us to have, yes. 04:22 That's right, but as soon as man choose 04:25 to eat of the tree of knowledge of good 04:28 and evil. It was a choice to cut off 04:32 the dependence. Communication, oh okay. 04:35 And thus the communication. 04:36 So, and God honors man. He honors his choice. 04:40 The Holy Spirit will never compel. 04:43 Never force. He will never force 04:45 and so when man made that choice 04:48 it was a decision not to be free as he thought, 04:54 but to become independent from God. 04:58 Which captive, made him captive actually. 05:01 But actually made him captive, 05:02 interestingly captive to his own emotions. 05:05 Yes okay. It actually changed a poll. 05:10 In God's plan, the Holy Spirit would threw 05:16 just a silent word or through God's 05:19 direct word with direct man's reason. 05:23 And that would give him the basis for proper 05:26 judgment and the exercise of will 05:29 according to God's plan, but as soon as 05:33 man chose to become independent 05:36 that was his choice and God honored it. 05:38 But what happened is he become a slave 05:41 immediately to his own emotions 05:43 which have no reason, which have no judgment, 05:47 but just have impulse and feeling 05:50 and what happened then is that Satan 05:54 was able and he is the one who got Adam 05:59 and Eve to change their religions. Yes. 06:02 He was able to take men captive through 06:04 that means. And that's why Paul 06:08 in the New Testament speaks about the battle 06:14 between the flesh and the spirit. 06:16 Flesh and spirit, yes. The flesh is not evil 06:20 per say God created it. The lower nature 06:24 or lower faculties are not evil faculties. 06:28 They are simply mindless faculties designed 06:33 to keep the body functioning without 06:35 man's having to pay any attention to it. 06:38 If used in the proper sense. 06:41 It can't be called the evil. 06:43 It's when it's perverted. Well, well 06:45 you know it occurred to me as you were saying 06:47 that, that they have no balance 06:52 in another words appetites have 06:53 no balance. Lust has no balance. And this keeps 06:55 it within bonds. And so its, 06:57 it's the Governor, the will is the Governor 06:59 I think of these, of these other 07:02 fleshly elements that we have. 07:04 Yeah the will was designed to have power 07:06 to keep the whole body under control 07:09 and that of course would be on the basis of 07:14 judgment and reasons directed by God 07:17 onto his word. Yes. And so long as man 07:21 was depending upon God then everyone of these 07:26 faculties would operate in perfect harmony. 07:30 Yes. And they would fulfill the purpose of 07:33 God, because all of man's faculties 07:35 are important. Even the sexual faculties 07:38 by the way. They are beautiful. 07:39 It's God's plan but God never intended 07:43 that those impulses should control 07:45 the reason and judgment and cause people to make 07:49 decisions regarding relationships that 07:52 are destructive. Well, I think it's very 07:54 important because when I learned 07:56 this it helped me to know so much more 07:58 about myself and how I could make choices 08:02 and not only that, but help my children 08:04 to learn and if I don't know these things 08:07 I can't teach them. So for families, 08:10 for parenting, for children, for 08:13 relationships this helps me in relationships. 08:16 Yeah it has been a great help to me as well. 08:19 Now let's move forward a little bit 08:21 and see what happened when Adam and Eve 08:24 made the choice to eat of the wrong tree. 08:27 Yes. Now there wasn't anything wrong 08:29 with that tree. The tree was good. 08:31 The Bible says that when God finished creation 08:34 he said. Everything. Everything was 08:37 very good. But that tree was a symbol. 08:39 It wasn't that it had some kind of a vitamin 08:41 in it or a poison in it. That's right. 08:43 It was a symbol of choice. 08:45 It was the symbol of choice to separate 08:47 and to become independent from God 08:50 and God honored that choice, 08:52 but had a sad result for man because 08:55 man immediately came under the control 08:59 of his own emotions and I would like to have 09:00 you notice that it was emotion that caused 09:03 him to make that choice. Eve was flattered 09:06 by the serpent, Eve saw the tree that 09:11 it was good for food excited her appetite 09:14 which has to do with the lower nature 09:18 and she also saw that it was beautiful 09:24 which also relates to the emotional 09:29 response and to the desire to make one wise 09:34 which was an ego factor that relates 09:39 to the lower nature. So, man shows to worship 09:44 himself. I see. That is he put himself 09:47 above God. By choosing. Eve of course to begin 09:50 with. Now when Adam found that his wife 09:53 had eaten of the tree. He was not deceived 09:56 according to the Apostle Paul. Yes. 09:58 But he did feel that he could not live 10:03 without Eve. And he felt that a dependence 10:09 upon Eve and his relationship to Eve 10:11 which really should have related to God. 10:15 Related to God, yes. He should have said 10:16 that he couldn't live without God 10:18 or exists without him. You know let me 10:20 just put in something here now, 10:21 hold your thought because this is a 10:22 little bit off. You know sometimes we have 10:24 asked ourselves a question. What if Eve 10:26 would have been the only one that would have 10:29 sinned and Adam would have held. 10:30 Oh! And then I can remember as a young 10:32 person people will say well God would have 10:34 created another Eve, another Eve. 10:36 You know the answer that is he would have 10:37 died for Eve. Yes. Oh! He would have died. 10:40 That's a good answer. You know I have heard 10:42 that before. And by the way that's good, 10:45 because he would have died for Eve. 10:46 It was when he fought. I'm glad you have 10:49 mentioned that. Profoundly. Adam 10:52 thought he loved Eve too much to live 10:54 without her, so he committed suicide. 10:57 That was not dying for Eve. 10:59 It was dying for Adam. Wow! What I'm saying 11:02 is that with a choice to die 11:05 rather than to live without Eve. 11:06 What he was doing in this case 11:08 and I think that this is very important that 11:10 you say this, you know, I will die for you, 11:13 I don't wanna live if it wasn't for you. 11:14 The only person that we should really die 11:16 for would be for Jesus, for Jesus. 11:18 Because I think what I hear you saying is that 11:22 our life's relationships are not meaningful 11:25 in enough themselves. Only when they are 11:28 connected with God our lives 11:30 relationships. And dependent upon the Lord. 11:31 And in fact moving back to the story 11:35 of the Bible. Yes. What happened immediately 11:38 as soon as Adam and Eve did sin suddenly 11:45 their whole emotions changed. 11:48 Guilt came in and with guilt a sense of shame. 11:53 This is an emotional experience. Yes. 11:55 And with the sense of shame came fear 12:00 and they became afraid of the very best friend. 12:04 Oh! Yes. That was God. And they ran to hide 12:08 well first of all they tried to hide 12:10 by making clothes you know. Yes. 12:12 But then when God came they hide, they ran 12:15 away, because they were afraid. Yeah. 12:17 These emotions began with sin, 12:21 because you see sin cuts us off from the one 12:24 who loves us and causes us to be afraid of him. 12:30 Because of the sense of guilt, now notice what 12:34 happened then, is that when God began 12:36 questioning Adam. Adam says I was afraid 12:40 because I was naked. Well God said 12:43 who told you are naked? Yes. Who told you, 12:45 how do you know you are naked? Actually, 12:48 he wasn't naked before he sinned, 12:50 because God had clothed him with garments 12:55 of life. We don't understand exactly 12:57 what that means. Garments of life. 12:58 But the fact is that only when he sinned 13:02 in the essence of guilt. Yeah. 13:04 Did he have a sense of nakedness 13:06 and shame and fear. And that fear notice 13:10 what happened. As soon as Adam and Eve 13:12 sinned immediately they began to defend 13:16 themselves. Adam thought he was dying for Eve. 13:20 He wasn't dying for Eve, he was dying for, 13:22 yeah selfishness. It was a selfish act. Because 13:23 he would rather put himself out of existence 13:26 then to have live without her. Then to 13:27 live without Eve. But as soon as God confronted 13:31 him immediately turned and says that woman 13:34 that you gave me. The woman and she. In light. 13:37 This one I was gonna die for and now 13:38 it is the blame of the problem. Yeah 13:40 that's right. If you have point somebody 13:43 she is there. Automatically changed. 13:44 Yeah you know let me put something else here. 13:47 This is off the subject, so don't 13:49 forget what you are about to say. 13:50 You know, you know the first thing, 13:52 now this is little bit X-rated. 13:54 The first consequence of the sin was that man 13:57 lost his clothes. The first act of redemption. 14:01 Was that he was clothed. Was that God 14:04 put clothes back on him. Oh! Yes. 14:05 And can you relate that to where we live 14:07 these days. People are running to take 14:09 their clothes off. Yes, yeah. And so, 14:11 that would be another program. That's great. 14:14 It's worthy of a program. That's right. 14:17 In fact we are going to be dealing with that, 14:19 but we won't be able to deal with it in depth, 14:21 but in fact that moves us right 14:24 to the next step, because when God 14:27 confronted them and they defended 14:31 themselves in a way to actually accuse 14:35 the other and leave Adam left Eve to be. 14:41 High and dry as we will say. Yes. 14:43 High and dry. And then Eve turned 14:46 to the serpent. Now we know that 14:49 it was Satan who spoke through that serpent. 14:52 But you know what that serpent had to pay. 14:54 He had to pay for it. Because of his becoming 14:57 a channel. Yes. For evil and but you know 15:02 what as soon as God assigned them 15:08 responsibilities, on the earth, 15:10 immediately he took the responsibility 15:12 and that's why we come to the text Genesis 3:15 15:16 which is really the text for this 15:19 discussion. For this program. Yes. 15:21 Richard could you read that for us. 15:23 You know I think that when we were in school 15:26 and we had memory verses even when we 15:27 were in Sabbath school. I think you know we 15:29 have got this in our mind. Oh! Yeah. 15:31 It's in Genesis 3:15. I will put enmity between 15:34 thee and the woman, between thy seed 15:38 and her seed; it shall, I said there I go 15:45 Kathy it makes me so embarrassing. 15:46 You know one time I was teaching at Sabbath 15:47 school classes and I was giving a lecture 15:49 to the people about how important it was to 15:50 memorize and I had to read it myself, 15:53 so here I'm saying I have known it all 15:55 my life and here I'm having to read it. 15:56 I get so nervous when we do these 15:58 programs anyway. Anyway here goes 16:01 I'm gonna do it slow just real slow. 16:03 I will put enmity between thee 16:05 and the woman, and between thy seed 16:06 and her seed; it shall bruise thy, 16:11 how may I see that word it shows bruise 16:13 thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel. 16:18 And that's interesting it begins, 16:21 begins by saying I will put enmity between you 16:24 and he is really talking to Satan. 16:26 Oh! That's it, you know for a minute 16:28 there I lost. I have always understood this, 16:31 but when it says it shall bruise thy head. 16:33 He is talking to the serpent. Yes. 16:35 That's right. He is talking to oh. 16:36 That's alright, I got confused. 16:39 I was watching you. But you know what 16:40 that's alright. Let's do that again 16:42 I'll have to start telling you again. 16:45 Anyway it says thy shall. That is the seed, 16:52 yes, now that's in a neuter form. 16:55 It shall bruise your head. Talking to the 16:58 serpent. Yes. Talking to the serpent, 17:00 but what is it? It is a seed and seed is neither 17:06 masculine nor feminine. Yes. It's in it. 17:09 Okay it is the seed that will bruise his head, 17:13 but then it says you will bruise 17:15 his which indicates that it is really a him. 17:20 Yes that's okay. You will bruise his heel 17:24 and said because you use the symbol of the seed 17:27 and keep that for a moment in the neuter 17:30 and then suddenly you will find that 17:31 it was not a neutral seed that 17:35 we are talking about. Right. 17:36 We are talking about the seed of man, 17:37 but do you understand what that means? 17:39 We are talking about Christ. That means that 17:41 God is telling the enemy Satan. Yes. 17:45 He is declaring war upon him. 17:47 And he is defeated. And he is telling him 17:49 that he is going to die. Right. 17:52 That he will be destroyed and that 17:56 the woman will live. Yes. And the woman 18:00 then become the symbol of all of those 18:02 who accept the seed. Jesus Christ, 18:06 so that the clothing that 18:09 we are talking about. Well now I have got to 18:10 ask. The woman will live, now we could about 18:12 that as the church but we could about 18:14 that as Eve as well right the woman 18:16 will live. Well Eve was the, she was the mother 18:17 of the church you see. Yes, yes. 18:19 That was what the church wasn't that time. 18:21 Yes. And so and everyone from that time 18:26 on who chooses to trust in the seed rather than 18:31 in the figs, you know fig leaves is to 18:34 symbolize this and to help them to understand 18:38 the dynamics God took the first animal 18:43 and sacrifice them and those animals skins 18:49 were used to make them clothing. Right. 18:52 But notice it was the death of Christ 18:55 that was portrait that. Right, right 18:57 because we are to take his clothing of 19:00 righteousness upon us. Very nice, very nice. 19:03 You know I look at the clock thing 19:07 and it says that our time is moving quickly 19:10 and we have so much to share. 19:12 To share, yes and what I would like to say 19:16 is that the first part of that is important. 19:19 It says I will put enmity between you 19:21 Satan and the woman. Well I think we need to 19:25 define enmity just for the sake of those 19:27 who may not understand that work. 19:28 Alright. Can you tell us what enmity means? 19:30 Because you know it's interesting you say 19:31 that because I was thinking of the text, 19:33 it says that loving the world is enmity 19:36 against God. It's enmity against God. 19:40 You know the text in the New Testament. Yes, yes. 19:41 And that if you persist in loving the world 19:43 you become God's enemy. Yes. 19:46 So I think that we are talking about a 19:47 relationship of enemies. We know what 19:49 an enemy is? Yes. And so in another words 19:52 you said that the relationship is not 19:54 co-existing. It's not live and let live. 19:56 It's a life and death struggle in which 19:59 in the end the enemies of God will be 20:01 over thrown. Isn't this what we are saying. 20:02 Yes, but enmity itself could be hatred toward, 20:05 hatred toward, yes, so that for the person 20:08 who just needs a quick definition that's hatred 20:10 toward. I will put a hatred toward. 20:13 In fact Kathy you see this is the probably 20:16 the challenge that we all face with this 20:19 lower nature and with sin, with sin. 20:21 We got to hate sin. Yes. This idea that, 20:25 that sin is an enemy that we don't co-exist 20:29 that you know we can't, you know just have a 20:30 little sin now and then. But sin is our enemy. 20:34 It's God's enemy and we need to hated 20:36 and I believe Elder that when we begin 20:38 to hate it then we begin to wanna get rid of it, 20:41 to do something about it. Yes, and that 20:43 suggests the problem. The problem is 20:45 we can't hate sin because we love it. 20:46 Now we really do, we love, we love giving 20:52 feeling to our emotions. Yes. 20:54 In other words, that's what we like to do, 20:58 we like to satisfy our appetite, 20:59 we like to you know let go if we feel like 21:03 and so this is our instinct. Yes. 21:06 I think they have this thing, 21:08 if it feels good do it. That's right. 21:10 Now the question is how can we have enmity 21:13 against that instead of against the 21:17 word of God and the plan that 21:19 he has for our lives, because you see his plan 21:22 is a plan of temperance of constantly 21:27 keeping the lower nature and subjection 21:30 as he originally planned are the answer is 21:35 I will put enmity. Yes, he is the God who puts 21:38 the enmity in us. Alright. 21:39 And it is by restoring the Holy Spirit 21:43 and he is channeling to our minds, 21:47 but we choose that he has seed 21:51 and the enemy has seed and every child 21:54 that's born into this world is born 21:57 with an inclination and with the pattern 22:01 of giving into his feelings 22:03 and doing what he feels like. 22:05 That he is teaching someone to choose 22:07 their way, we can't learn ourselves. 22:09 I mean it's not that we can't, 22:11 but if we are not learning and we are not 22:13 developing that good choice ourselves. 22:15 How can we past it on or how can 22:17 we help each other in relationships. 22:18 And that's, that's a good point, 22:20 because parents who are not themselves 22:23 in subjection to the word of God 22:25 into the Holy Spirit. Do not have the basis 22:29 they need for connecting their children, 22:33 to the Lord, so that the Holy Spirit 22:35 can help the child to love righteousness 22:39 and hate evil, yes, rather than to love 22:43 indulgence and hate resistance. Yes. 22:46 But I think that it goes without saying 22:49 that the culture that we live in is about 22:52 indulging the flesh. Yes. It's about 22:54 that in fact, in fact this is, 22:57 I think there is pressure on parents 22:59 to actually to enable these fleshly desires 23:03 of their children rather than to restrain 23:06 them. Right not just parents, 23:07 but any relationship any, whether you are 23:10 parent or not matters not just 23:12 dealing with each other. And notice this 23:14 when the parents are under God's word 23:17 and being directed by the Holy Spirit 23:21 they are able to function as God intended 23:24 because the little thought is brought 23:26 into this world without the capacity for 23:29 reasoning a judgment for the period of time. 23:32 Yes. The parent is in the place of thought 23:35 of their child. Isn't that right? 23:37 The parent is needing to play some moral 23:39 warehouse there. Things that 23:40 they can relate to? That's right, 23:41 that's right and the parents responsibility 23:44 is to be reason a judgment and will 23:47 for the child who the little child 23:50 can only function to begin with on 23:52 this level. As the parent guides him 23:56 and restrains him where it's needed. Yes. 23:58 And loves him by showing the love that God has. 24:04 It will cause that child to open his mind 24:09 and heart for the Holy Spirit, so gradually 24:11 as the reason develops, as the judgment is 24:14 formed the will, will be naturally inclined 24:18 to follow the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit 24:21 amen. As it is, it will be compelled without 24:26 that to follow it in choices. You can say 24:27 it's naturally inclined, should I get into this. 24:31 I mean we only have a few minutes, 24:32 maybe we shouldn't know there. Yeah, 24:33 well when I say naturally inclined maybe 24:37 I should say spiritually 24:38 inclined. Spiritually inclined. 24:40 Because the Holy Spirit is mediating constantly 24:42 and drawing and giving the child a high. 24:46 Maybe they are no longer resisting it. 24:48 Well I'm also thinking the text wherewithal 24:50 shall a young man cleanse his ways. 24:51 By taking heed according to the word. 24:53 I think that in this whole process 24:55 that the role of the word is the transformer 24:59 of the will as the molder of the will. 25:01 As the thing that gives the steering 25:03 currents to the will, because see 25:06 it's possible for what you were saying earlier 25:08 that the, that something purely of the spirits 25:12 he can be so subjective. Yeah. 25:14 That it can be kind of a curtain by which 25:18 the flesh is running through some 25:19 Holy Spirit. Oh! Yeah. That's not the 25:20 Holy Spirit. Oh! Yeah. And so I think whenever 25:23 we talk about the Holy Spirit we wanna put 25:26 the word of God side by side with it. Exactly. 25:28 Otherwise, we can pickup on a spirit 25:30 which could deceive us. Is not the Holy Spirit. 25:32 Which is not the Holy Spirit at all. 25:33 Yeah you know there is one thing 25:34 I need to share before, please do 25:37 we are coming, and that has to do 25:38 with Incarnation of Christ. 25:40 You see that's what the seed meant. 25:41 The Incarnation of Christ, Gabriel told 25:46 Mary that the Holy Ghost will come upon 25:50 you and you will conceive, now what is 25:52 important to understand is it Christ became. 25:55 See man was created as a medium between 25:58 God and the animal world. And man lost it 26:03 and became an enemy of God. Christ 26:06 came into this world to take the same 26:08 human body that had all the same chemical 26:13 deficiencies, all of the same problems 26:16 that any other person would have. 26:19 And so by soul surrendering that body 26:23 to the Holy Spirit. You take Hebrews 10 26:26 which tells that this happened before Christ 26:28 came, he says Lord I come in the volume 26:30 of book it is written of me. 26:32 He says you don't want sacrifice 26:34 and offering, but you give me your body, 26:36 a body you have prepared me. 26:37 And I'm going to establish the kingdom 26:42 of God. The direction of Holy Spirit 26:45 in that body, so that he has given us 26:48 an example of more than that. 26:50 He has constantly given to us his blood, 26:54 his sacrifice, so that when we fail 26:57 we can immediately re-clothed. Amen. 27:00 One of the things that thrills me, 27:01 it's beautiful thing, is Jesus Christ. 27:02 We are now related to God. 27:04 We are related DNA. Yeah that's right. 27:07 We are related to God. And throughout 27:08 all the eternity that's a wonderful thing. 27:10 Closer, closer it is a wonderful thing. 27:11 This is exciting to me, isn't it to you Dick? 27:13 I just loved it. It's profound. 27:15 There you go again. Yes. You know 27:18 I appreciate you being here with us. 27:19 It's been a wonderful time together, 27:21 I pray that it has benefited all of our 27:23 viewers and you know we gonna have 27:26 some programs coming up with Hell Gates 27:29 and it's going to be expanding on 27:31 some things like that this life can take us 27:34 into on addictions. We want you to join us 27:36 again for Thinking About Homes 27:38 when those programs come up 27:40 and Pastor Moore would you take us 27:42 out with prayer. Alright. Heavenly 27:44 Father thank you so much for Jesus. 27:46 Thank you for the seed of the woman, 27:49 thank you for being willing to come into 27:52 this world and become the creature 27:54 which you made in order that 27:57 we might be restored to the creation. |
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