Welcome to Thinking About Home.
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I'm Kathy Matthews your host
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and today we are
going to have two guests
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and they are Pastor Leroy Moore
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and he is from Alberta, Canada.
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He has been a
teacher, he is also an author
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of two wonderful
books that have always
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blessed me. And our
Pastor Richard O'Ffill
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of whom I call
Dick most of the time
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and his smiling face
has been with us for many
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programs and we are always glad
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that you have joined us again.
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Thank you I'm glad
to be here. Glad you
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here today. And Pastor
Moore we are going to be
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using this chart
today. Aren't we? Yes.
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We're gonna be
talking more about
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how this can help
us in our families
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and with our
parenting, with our children,
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with relationships, is
that right? It's right.
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I think that one of
the things that I have
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appreciated about
in getting acquainted
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with Pastor Moore
is that he is a person
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that believes in
getting back to the beginning
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of things. Yes and that's right.
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You know, you know
our lives are pretty well
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scrambled and
sometimes you know your life
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can get so scrambled, you know,
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it's like a ball of
strain. You can just
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get it so tangle that
you can't untangle it.
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Right. And I
think one of the things
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that have appreciated
as we have talked to him,
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you know, is untangling that.
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Well really untangling,
we are starting again
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and I think one
of the emphases that
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he has is let's go
back to the beginning.
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Let's see how it
was supposed to be done.
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Right. It's pretty
hard to take up where
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you have left off if
it just a mass. Right.
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So let's go back
and God gives us a new
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beginning. I think
that's what the Gospel
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is about. Isn't
that Elder? That's right.
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The Gospel is our new beginning.
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It's a new
beginning. Right, right so.
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And so actually
what we are doing
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is going back
to the ancient time
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which is today
really because God wants us
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to begin today.
Yes. And when we look
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at this little
model here it's designed
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to help us to
understand how God made us.
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Yes. And when God made man,
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he made man with
the faculties that
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all animals have.
But also with faculties
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that animals don't have. Right.
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And it's the faculties
that animals don't have
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that makes him
in the image of God.
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Which are the reason, judgment,
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ability to
discern right from wrong.
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Right okay. Good
from evil. Right.
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And the will which
is the command centre
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for the whole body. That's good.
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But
interestingly enough there is a
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second centre and
that has to do with the
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autonomic nervous
system and it is the
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centre that
controls the impulses.
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The various
emotions, here, right here.
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Emotions, instincts
and affections. Yes,
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and the God
designed man in such a way
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that he would be
free. He could make
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his own choice
and decision God would
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never interfere, but
he was also dependent.
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Dependent upon the Holy Spirit
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and God's word.
Yes. It didn't need to be
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written in those
days, but nevertheless
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it was God's
word. God explained,
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God told man, he
gave him instructions
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and one of the instructions that
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he gave him was to choose to eat
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of the tree of life.
There were two trees.
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Yes. And the tree of
life was the symbol of
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dependents upon Christ. Yes.
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Who is the life giver. Right.
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The other tree was the
symbol of independence.
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A symbol that he was
choosing to just learn
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independently of
God. It was a tree of
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knowledge good and
evil. The tree of life
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was actually the
tree of knowledge,
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but it was the
knowledge that the creator
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would give. He
want us to have, yes.
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That's right, but
as soon as man choose
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to eat of the tree
of knowledge of good
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and evil. It was
a choice to cut off
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the dependence.
Communication, oh okay.
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And thus the communication.
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So, and God honors
man. He honors his choice.
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The Holy Spirit
will never compel.
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Never force. He will never force
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and so when man made that choice
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it was a decision not
to be free as he thought,
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but to become
independent from God.
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Which captive, made
him captive actually.
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But actually made him captive,
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interestingly
captive to his own emotions.
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Yes okay. It
actually changed a poll.
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In God's plan, the
Holy Spirit would threw
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just a silent
word or through God's
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direct word with
direct man's reason.
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And that would give
him the basis for proper
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judgment and
the exercise of will
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according to God's
plan, but as soon as
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man chose to become independent
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that was his
choice and God honored it.
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But what happened
is he become a slave
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immediately to his own emotions
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which have no reason,
which have no judgment,
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but just have
impulse and feeling
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and what happened
then is that Satan
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was able and he is
the one who got Adam
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and Eve to change
their religions. Yes.
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He was able to
take men captive through
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that means. And that's why Paul
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in the New Testament
speaks about the battle
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between the
flesh and the spirit.
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Flesh and spirit,
yes. The flesh is not evil
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per say God created
it. The lower nature
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or lower faculties
are not evil faculties.
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They are simply
mindless faculties designed
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to keep the body
functioning without
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man's having to pay
any attention to it.
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If used in the proper sense.
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It can't be called the evil.
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It's when it's
perverted. Well, well
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you know it occurred
to me as you were saying
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that, that they have no balance
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in another words appetites have
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no balance. Lust has
no balance. And this keeps
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it within bonds. And so its,
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it's the Governor,
the will is the Governor
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I think of these, of these other
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fleshly elements that we have.
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Yeah the will was
designed to have power
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to keep the whole
body under control
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and that of course
would be on the basis of
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judgment and
reasons directed by God
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onto his word.
Yes. And so long as man
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was depending upon
God then everyone of these
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faculties would
operate in perfect harmony.
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Yes. And they would
fulfill the purpose of
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God, because all
of man's faculties
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are important. Even
the sexual faculties
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by the way. They are beautiful.
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It's God's plan
but God never intended
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that those
impulses should control
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the reason and judgment
and cause people to make
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decisions
regarding relationships that
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are destructive.
Well, I think it's very
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important because when I learned
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this it helped me
to know so much more
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about myself and
how I could make choices
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and not only that,
but help my children
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to learn and if I
don't know these things
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I can't teach
them. So for families,
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for parenting, for children, for
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relationships this
helps me in relationships.
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Yeah it has been a
great help to me as well.
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Now let's move
forward a little bit
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and see what
happened when Adam and Eve
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made the choice to
eat of the wrong tree.
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Yes. Now there
wasn't anything wrong
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with that tree.
The tree was good.
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The Bible says that
when God finished creation
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he said.
Everything. Everything was
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very good. But
that tree was a symbol.
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It wasn't that it had
some kind of a vitamin
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in it or a poison
in it. That's right.
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It was a symbol of choice.
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It was the symbol
of choice to separate
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and to become
independent from God
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and God honored that choice,
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but had a sad
result for man because
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man immediately
came under the control
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of his own emotions
and I would like to have
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you notice that it
was emotion that caused
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him to make that
choice. Eve was flattered
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by the serpent,
Eve saw the tree that
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it was good for
food excited her appetite
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which has to do
with the lower nature
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and she also saw
that it was beautiful
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which also
relates to the emotional
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response and to the
desire to make one wise
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which was an ego
factor that relates
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to the lower nature.
So, man shows to worship
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himself. I see.
That is he put himself
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above God. By
choosing. Eve of course to begin
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with. Now when
Adam found that his wife
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had eaten of the
tree. He was not deceived
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according to the
Apostle Paul. Yes.
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But he did feel
that he could not live
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without Eve. And he
felt that a dependence
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upon Eve and his
relationship to Eve
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which really should
have related to God.
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Related to God,
yes. He should have said
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that he
couldn't live without God
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or exists without
him. You know let me
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just put in something here now,
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hold your
thought because this is a
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little bit off. You
know sometimes we have
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asked ourselves a
question. What if Eve
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would have been the
only one that would have
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sinned and Adam would have held.
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Oh! And then I can
remember as a young
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person people will
say well God would have
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created another
Eve, another Eve.
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You know the answer
that is he would have
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died for Eve. Yes.
Oh! He would have died.
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That's a good
answer. You know I have heard
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that before. And by
the way that's good,
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because he would
have died for Eve.
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It was when he
fought. I'm glad you have
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mentioned that. Profoundly. Adam
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thought he loved
Eve too much to live
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without her, so
he committed suicide.
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That was not dying for Eve.
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It was dying for
Adam. Wow! What I'm saying
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is that with a choice to die
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rather than to live without Eve.
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What he was doing in this case
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and I think that this
is very important that
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you say this, you
know, I will die for you,
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I don't wanna live
if it wasn't for you.
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The only person
that we should really die
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for would be for
Jesus, for Jesus.
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Because I think what I
hear you saying is that
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our life's
relationships are not meaningful
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in enough
themselves. Only when they are
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connected with God our lives
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relationships. And
dependent upon the Lord.
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And in fact
moving back to the story
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of the Bible. Yes.
What happened immediately
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as soon as Adam and
Eve did sin suddenly
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their whole emotions changed.
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Guilt came in and with
guilt a sense of shame.
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This is an
emotional experience. Yes.
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And with the
sense of shame came fear
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and they became afraid
of the very best friend.
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Oh! Yes. That was
God. And they ran to hide
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well first of all
they tried to hide
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by making clothes you know. Yes.
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But then when God
came they hide, they ran
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away, because
they were afraid. Yeah.
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These emotions began with sin,
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because you see sin
cuts us off from the one
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who loves us and
causes us to be afraid of him.
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Because of the sense
of guilt, now notice what
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happened then, is
that when God began
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questioning Adam.
Adam says I was afraid
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because I was
naked. Well God said
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who told you are
naked? Yes. Who told you,
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how do you know you
are naked? Actually,
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he wasn't naked
before he sinned,
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because God had
clothed him with garments
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of life. We don't
understand exactly
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what that means.
Garments of life.
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But the fact is
that only when he sinned
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in the essence of guilt. Yeah.
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Did he have a sense of nakedness
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and shame and fear.
And that fear notice
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what happened. As
soon as Adam and Eve
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sinned immediately
they began to defend
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themselves. Adam
thought he was dying for Eve.
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He wasn't dying for
Eve, he was dying for,
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yeah selfishness. It
was a selfish act. Because
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he would rather put
himself out of existence
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then to have live
without her. Then to
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live without Eve. But
as soon as God confronted
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him immediately
turned and says that woman
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that you gave me. The
woman and she. In light.
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This one I was
gonna die for and now
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it is the blame
of the problem. Yeah
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that's right. If
you have point somebody
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she is there.
Automatically changed.
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Yeah you know let me
put something else here.
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This is off the
subject, so don't
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forget what you
are about to say.
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You know, you
know the first thing,
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now this is little bit X-rated.
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The first consequence
of the sin was that man
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lost his clothes. The
first act of redemption.
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Was that he was
clothed. Was that God
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put clothes
back on him. Oh! Yes.
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And can you relate
that to where we live
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these days. People
are running to take
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their clothes
off. Yes, yeah. And so,
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that would be another
program. That's great.
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It's worthy of a
program. That's right.
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In fact we are going
to be dealing with that,
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but we won't be able
to deal with it in depth,
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but in fact that moves us right
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to the next
step, because when God
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confronted them
and they defended
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themselves in a
way to actually accuse
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the other and leave
Adam left Eve to be.
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High and dry as
we will say. Yes.
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High and dry.
And then Eve turned
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to the serpent. Now we know that
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it was Satan who
spoke through that serpent.
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But you know what
that serpent had to pay.
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He had to pay for it.
Because of his becoming
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a channel. Yes. For
evil and but you know
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what as soon as
God assigned them
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responsibilities, on the earth,
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immediately he
took the responsibility
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and that's why we come
to the text Genesis 3:15
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which is really
the text for this
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discussion. For
this program. Yes.
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Richard could
you read that for us.
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You know I think that
when we were in school
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and we had memory
verses even when we
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were in Sabbath
school. I think you know we
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have got this in
our mind. Oh! Yeah.
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It's in Genesis 3:15.
I will put enmity between
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thee and the
woman, between thy seed
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and her seed; it
shall, I said there I go
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Kathy it makes
me so embarrassing.
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You know one time I
was teaching at Sabbath
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school classes and
I was giving a lecture
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to the people about
how important it was to
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memorize and I
had to read it myself,
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so here I'm saying
I have known it all
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my life and here
I'm having to read it.
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I get so
nervous when we do these
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programs
anyway. Anyway here goes
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I'm gonna do it
slow just real slow.
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I will put enmity between thee
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and the woman,
and between thy seed
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and her seed; it
shall bruise thy,
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how may I see that
word it shows bruise
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thy head, and thou
shall bruise his heel.
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And that's
interesting it begins,
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begins by saying I
will put enmity between you
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and he is really
talking to Satan.
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Oh! That's it,
you know for a minute
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there I lost. I have
always understood this,
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but when it says it
shall bruise thy head.
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He is talking to
the serpent. Yes.
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That's right. He
is talking to oh.
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That's alright, I got confused.
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I was watching
you. But you know what
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that's alright.
Let's do that again
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I'll have to
start telling you again.
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Anyway it says thy
shall. That is the seed,
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yes, now that's
in a neuter form.
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It shall bruise
your head. Talking to the
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serpent. Yes.
Talking to the serpent,
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but what is it? It is a
seed and seed is neither
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masculine nor
feminine. Yes. It's in it.
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Okay it is the seed
that will bruise his head,
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but then it says you will bruise
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his which indicates
that it is really a him.
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Yes that's okay.
You will bruise his heel
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and said because you
use the symbol of the seed
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and keep that for a
moment in the neuter
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and then suddenly
you will find that
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it was not a neutral seed that
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we are talking about. Right.
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We are talking
about the seed of man,
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but do you
understand what that means?
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We are talking about
Christ. That means that
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God is telling
the enemy Satan. Yes.
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He is declaring war upon him.
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And he is defeated.
And he is telling him
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that he is going to die. Right.
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That he will be
destroyed and that
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the woman will
live. Yes. And the woman
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then become the
symbol of all of those
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who accept the
seed. Jesus Christ,
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so that the clothing that
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we are talking about.
Well now I have got to
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ask. The woman will
live, now we could about
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that as the
church but we could about
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that as Eve as
well right the woman
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will live. Well Eve
was the, she was the mother
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of the church you see. Yes, yes.
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That was what the
church wasn't that time.
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Yes. And so and
everyone from that time
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on who chooses to
trust in the seed rather than
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in the figs, you
know fig leaves is to
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symbolize this and to
help them to understand
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the dynamics God
took the first animal
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and sacrifice them
and those animals skins
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were used to make
them clothing. Right.
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But notice it was
the death of Christ
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that was portrait
that. Right, right
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because we are to
take his clothing of
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righteousness upon
us. Very nice, very nice.
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You know I look
at the clock thing
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and it says that our
time is moving quickly
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and we have so much to share.
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To share, yes and
what I would like to say
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is that the first
part of that is important.
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It says I will
put enmity between you
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Satan and the woman.
Well I think we need to
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define enmity just
for the sake of those
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who may not
understand that work.
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Alright. Can you
tell us what enmity means?
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Because you know
it's interesting you say
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that because I was
thinking of the text,
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it says that
loving the world is enmity
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against God. It's
enmity against God.
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You know the text in
the New Testament. Yes, yes.
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And that if you
persist in loving the world
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you become God's enemy. Yes.
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So I think that we
are talking about a
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relationship of
enemies. We know what
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an enemy is? Yes.
And so in another words
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you said that the
relationship is not
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co-existing. It's
not live and let live.
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It's a life and
death struggle in which
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in the end the
enemies of God will be
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over thrown. Isn't
this what we are saying.
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Yes, but enmity itself
could be hatred toward,
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hatred toward, yes,
so that for the person
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who just needs a quick
definition that's hatred
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toward. I will
put a hatred toward.
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In fact Kathy you
see this is the probably
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the challenge that
we all face with this
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lower nature and
with sin, with sin.
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We got to hate sin.
Yes. This idea that,
00:20:21.63\00:20:25.59
that sin is an enemy
that we don't co-exist
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that you know we
can't, you know just have a
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little sin now and
then. But sin is our enemy.
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It's God's enemy
and we need to hated
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and I believe
Elder that when we begin
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to hate it then we
begin to wanna get rid of it,
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to do something
about it. Yes, and that
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suggests the
problem. The problem is
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we can't hate sin
because we love it.
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Now we really do,
we love, we love giving
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feeling to our emotions. Yes.
00:20:52.10\00:20:54.35
In other words,
that's what we like to do,
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we like to satisfy our appetite,
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we like to you know
let go if we feel like
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and so this is
our instinct. Yes.
00:21:03.76\00:21:06.87
I think they have this thing,
00:21:06.90\00:21:08.23
if it feels good
do it. That's right.
00:21:08.26\00:21:10.33
Now the question is
how can we have enmity
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against that
instead of against the
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word of God and the plan that
00:21:17.18\00:21:19.61
he has for our lives,
because you see his plan
00:21:19.64\00:21:22.25
is a plan of
temperance of constantly
00:21:22.28\00:21:27.54
keeping the lower
nature and subjection
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as he originally
planned are the answer is
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I will put enmity.
Yes, he is the God who puts
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the enmity in us. Alright.
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And it is by
restoring the Holy Spirit
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and he is
channeling to our minds,
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but we choose that he has seed
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and the enemy has
seed and every child
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that's born into
this world is born
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with an inclination
and with the pattern
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of giving into his feelings
00:22:01.58\00:22:03.48
and doing what he feels like.
00:22:03.51\00:22:05.01
That he is
teaching someone to choose
00:22:05.04\00:22:07.04
their way, we
can't learn ourselves.
00:22:07.07\00:22:09.87
I mean it's not that we can't,
00:22:09.90\00:22:10.98
but if we are not
learning and we are not
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developing that
good choice ourselves.
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How can we past it on or how can
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we help each
other in relationships.
00:22:17.34\00:22:18.86
And that's, that's a good point,
00:22:18.89\00:22:20.25
because parents
who are not themselves
00:22:20.28\00:22:23.23
in subjection to the word of God
00:22:23.26\00:22:25.08
into the Holy
Spirit. Do not have the basis
00:22:25.11\00:22:29.89
they need for
connecting their children,
00:22:29.92\00:22:33.57
to the Lord, so
that the Holy Spirit
00:22:33.60\00:22:35.67
can help the child
to love righteousness
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and hate evil,
yes, rather than to love
00:22:39.63\00:22:43.03
indulgence and
hate resistance. Yes.
00:22:43.06\00:22:46.41
But I think that
it goes without saying
00:22:46.44\00:22:49.05
that the culture
that we live in is about
00:22:49.08\00:22:52.10
indulging the
flesh. Yes. It's about
00:22:52.13\00:22:54.25
that in fact, in fact this is,
00:22:54.28\00:22:57.44
I think there is
pressure on parents
00:22:57.47\00:22:59.17
to actually to
enable these fleshly desires
00:22:59.20\00:23:03.54
of their children
rather than to restrain
00:23:03.57\00:23:06.45
them. Right not just parents,
00:23:06.48\00:23:07.54
but any relationship
any, whether you are
00:23:07.57\00:23:10.16
parent or not matters not just
00:23:10.19\00:23:12.09
dealing with each
other. And notice this
00:23:12.12\00:23:14.35
when the parents
are under God's word
00:23:14.38\00:23:17.76
and being
directed by the Holy Spirit
00:23:17.79\00:23:20.06
they are able to
function as God intended
00:23:21.19\00:23:23.98
because the
little thought is brought
00:23:24.01\00:23:26.11
into this world
without the capacity for
00:23:26.14\00:23:29.80
reasoning a judgment
for the period of time.
00:23:29.83\00:23:32.36
Yes. The parent is
in the place of thought
00:23:32.39\00:23:35.70
of their child.
Isn't that right?
00:23:35.73\00:23:37.55
The parent is
needing to play some moral
00:23:37.58\00:23:39.12
warehouse there. Things that
00:23:39.15\00:23:40.39
they can relate
to? That's right,
00:23:40.42\00:23:41.61
that's right and the
parents responsibility
00:23:41.64\00:23:44.40
is to be reason
a judgment and will
00:23:44.43\00:23:47.64
for the child
who the little child
00:23:47.67\00:23:50.63
can only
function to begin with on
00:23:50.66\00:23:52.90
this level. As
the parent guides him
00:23:52.93\00:23:56.25
and restrains him
where it's needed. Yes.
00:23:56.28\00:23:58.94
And loves him by
showing the love that God has.
00:23:58.97\00:24:04.69
It will cause that
child to open his mind
00:24:04.72\00:24:09.14
and heart for the
Holy Spirit, so gradually
00:24:09.17\00:24:11.36
as the reason
develops, as the judgment is
00:24:11.39\00:24:14.32
formed the will,
will be naturally inclined
00:24:14.35\00:24:18.82
to follow the Holy
Spirit. The Holy Spirit
00:24:18.85\00:24:21.60
amen. As it is, it
will be compelled without
00:24:21.63\00:24:26.24
that to follow it
in choices. You can say
00:24:26.27\00:24:27.69
it's naturally inclined,
should I get into this.
00:24:27.72\00:24:31.20
I mean we only
have a few minutes,
00:24:31.23\00:24:32.30
maybe we
shouldn't know there. Yeah,
00:24:32.33\00:24:33.96
well when I say
naturally inclined maybe
00:24:33.99\00:24:37.38
I should say spiritually
00:24:37.41\00:24:38.68
inclined. Spiritually inclined.
00:24:38.71\00:24:40.12
Because the Holy
Spirit is mediating constantly
00:24:40.15\00:24:42.82
and drawing and
giving the child a high.
00:24:42.85\00:24:46.54
Maybe they are no
longer resisting it.
00:24:46.57\00:24:48.11
Well I'm also
thinking the text wherewithal
00:24:48.14\00:24:50.29
shall a young
man cleanse his ways.
00:24:50.32\00:24:51.82
By taking heed
according to the word.
00:24:51.85\00:24:53.78
I think that in
this whole process
00:24:53.81\00:24:55.85
that the role of the
word is the transformer
00:24:55.88\00:24:59.72
of the will as the
molder of the will.
00:24:59.75\00:25:01.78
As the thing that
gives the steering
00:25:01.81\00:25:03.66
currents to the
will, because see
00:25:03.69\00:25:06.12
it's possible for what
you were saying earlier
00:25:06.15\00:25:08.54
that the, that
something purely of the spirits
00:25:08.57\00:25:12.02
he can be so subjective. Yeah.
00:25:12.05\00:25:14.18
That it can be kind
of a curtain by which
00:25:14.21\00:25:18.04
the flesh is
running through some
00:25:18.07\00:25:19.46
Holy Spirit. Oh!
Yeah. That's not the
00:25:19.49\00:25:20.68
Holy Spirit. Oh! Yeah.
And so I think whenever
00:25:20.71\00:25:23.63
we talk about the
Holy Spirit we wanna put
00:25:23.66\00:25:25.98
the word of God side
by side with it. Exactly.
00:25:26.01\00:25:28.53
Otherwise, we can
pickup on a spirit
00:25:28.56\00:25:30.31
which could deceive
us. Is not the Holy Spirit.
00:25:30.34\00:25:32.68
Which is not the
Holy Spirit at all.
00:25:32.71\00:25:33.68
Yeah you know there is one thing
00:25:33.69\00:25:34.93
I need to share
before, please do
00:25:34.96\00:25:37.10
we are coming,
and that has to do
00:25:37.13\00:25:38.63
with Incarnation of Christ.
00:25:38.66\00:25:40.25
You see that's
what the seed meant.
00:25:40.28\00:25:41.69
The Incarnation of
Christ, Gabriel told
00:25:41.72\00:25:46.54
Mary that the Holy
Ghost will come upon
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you and you will
conceive, now what is
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important to
understand is it Christ became.
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See man was
created as a medium between
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God and the animal
world. And man lost it
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and became an
enemy of God. Christ
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came into this
world to take the same
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human body that had
all the same chemical
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deficiencies, all
of the same problems
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that any other
person would have.
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And so by soul
surrendering that body
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to the Holy
Spirit. You take Hebrews 10
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which tells that this
happened before Christ
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came, he says Lord
I come in the volume
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of book it is written of me.
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He says you don't want sacrifice
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and offering, but
you give me your body,
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a body you have prepared me.
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And I'm going to
establish the kingdom
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of God. The
direction of Holy Spirit
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in that body, so
that he has given us
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an example of more than that.
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He has constantly
given to us his blood,
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his sacrifice,
so that when we fail
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we can
immediately re-clothed. Amen.
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One of the
things that thrills me,
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it's beautiful
thing, is Jesus Christ.
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We are now related to God.
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We are related
DNA. Yeah that's right.
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We are related to
God. And throughout
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all the eternity
that's a wonderful thing.
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Closer, closer it
is a wonderful thing.
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This is exciting to
me, isn't it to you Dick?
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I just loved it. It's profound.
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There you go
again. Yes. You know
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I appreciate you
being here with us.
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It's been a
wonderful time together,
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I pray that it has
benefited all of our
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viewers and you
know we gonna have
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some programs
coming up with Hell Gates
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and it's going
to be expanding on
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some things like
that this life can take us
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into on addictions.
We want you to join us
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again for Thinking About Homes
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when those programs come up
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and Pastor Moore
would you take us
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out with prayer.
Alright. Heavenly
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Father thank you
so much for Jesus.
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Thank you for the
seed of the woman,
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thank you for being
willing to come into
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this world and
become the creature
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which you made in order that
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we might be
restored to the creation.
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