Hello again, I
am Kathy Matthews.
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I'm your host for
Thinking About Home,
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and I'm always so
grateful that you tune in
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and join us on
this program. We always
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try to deal with
issues in the family and with
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relationships and how
things work in the mind,
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and the body. And
today our guest is going to
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be dealing with that and
that's Pastor Leroy Moore.
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And he is the author
of two very good books;
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I thought they
were very good for me.
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And a friend of
ours from years ago,
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I'm so grateful that
you've taken all the time
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that it takes to get
here. It's privilege to be here.
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And do these
programs, thank you.
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And Pastor
Richard O'Ffill from the
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Florida Conference, I'm
so glad that you're back
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with us I know that.
I'm always glad to be back
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and to me one of the
best parts of program is
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when they have the
introduction when we
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see those pictures of
you when you were young,
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you and Tom. Oh!
Right, right that's not me.
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I have you know, you
know people have asked
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me that, that's
not me, no, it's not.
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For that, it would
have to be way back.
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Our program is continuing on,
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we have our little
chart here that we may refer
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to some, and you'll
tell us about that a little
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bit more. And
Dick, what we are gonna
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talk about? In the
last program which our
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viewers may or
may not have seen but,
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and so we want to
kind of bring things
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up to date. We were
mentioning that the,
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where we are in our
families in the 21st century,
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yes. Is not a
very good place to be.
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In other words if
we take up from where
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we are now, we are
not going to get where
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we want to go, yes. So
really we need to without,
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without going back
physically obviously
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we can't, we need to go
back into the word of God,
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yes, and find out the
way that it was meant to
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be in the very beginning, right.
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And in the other
program I think Pastor Moore
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illustrated to us
very nicely how God,
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when he created
man he created in his
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image in one part.
However on the other part,
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he created him out of
the dust of the earth.
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And so that there is
kind of a double nature,
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yes. There is the
fleshly part of us.
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If you place the
animal side we are the highest
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of the animal
kingdom, right, right, right.
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But God also
made us in his image.
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And I thought it
was interesting where
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Pastor Moore said
that we were to communicate
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with God. But that
God would use us to
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communicate with the
rest of the animal kingdom
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and that in a
way, remember we were
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saying in the
program that we kind of stand
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in the place of God
to our little poodle
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or whatever it
was. Yes, you said that,
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yes that's you. But
we also, we also brought
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out the challenge
that because we have
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these two sides of us
we have the part of us
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that's the fleshly
side, that's the animal side.
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Then we have the
high part, that's in the
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image of God but that
someway in our present
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culture, this part
that's the image of God is
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being downplayed
and the part that's the
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animal side. Yes it is
right. Is being up played,
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right, and that unless
we intentionally address
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this, it's going to
hugely effect our families
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obviously, I mean
we don't need to say
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what's going to
happen, it destroys families,
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right, right. Because
families are not about
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you know a little
herd of deer or a flock
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of birds, no, no. We
were made in the image of God.
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And we need to remember that,
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keep that in mind and
or if we don't know it
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at all we need to
be informed of it.
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And it might be a
good idea for us to start
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with Genesis. Yes,
again, and that's the really
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the title of our
program we're doing.
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Genesis, the keys
to a happy home, yeah.
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Lets go ahead. Well
the first two chapters
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are really
tremendous because they lay out
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the plan of God, yes,
for man. We began last
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week by discussion of
the fact that the creator
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had a purpose for us,
yes. If we don't understand
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that purpose we
cannot have meaning in life,
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yes. And in order
to have a happy family,
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we must have
purpose; we must have a sense
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of worth, yes. And
the basis for that sense
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of worth is relationships, yes.
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And those relationships
must be love relationships.
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Or you don't have
that sense of worth.
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Or you do not have,
because you see it is
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love that really is
the basis for meaning, yes.
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It is love that is a
basis for sense of worth.
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And so that leads us
now to something very
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interesting because
a lot of times people
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think of God's
commands as being something
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you have to do,
right. But you know what
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the Bible shows
that God's commands are
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based upon the
principle of love, and show us
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how to have loving
relationships, yes.
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So that we can have
a sense of worth and
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so that we can
have meaning and purpose
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and have a happy life,
right. Last week we also
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spoke of the fact
that Christ said when
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He was here, He is
the creator and He tells
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us why he became a
creature, and why he
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was telling them
what He was and He says
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these things I say
unto you that you might,
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that my joy might
remain in you, yes.
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And that your joy
might be full, right.
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This is interesting
because just before that
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He has told them if
you keep my commandments,
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right. Then you will
abide in my love, right.
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Many people don't think
keeping the commandments
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has love in it or that
they don't have joy in it.
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People get it all
turned upside down.
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And the Ten Commandments
without love would be like
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tyranny, don't you
think Dick. The greatest favor
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that God ever did for
this human race was to
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give us His law. In
that one rule, yeah, yeah.
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Without His law,
and yet it's an amazing
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thing Leroy, that in
the context of the modern
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age law is seen as
being the enemy, yeah, right.
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When in reality law
is, law is not even law
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at all really. Actually
truly speaking, God's law.
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You better clear
that up. God's law is an
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expression of his
love, yes and is available
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to us only through
his presence in our life
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and that presence in
our lives becomes the
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basis for our
meaningful communications with
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each other as well as
with Him. It occurs to
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me that the law of
God is like the tracks on
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which a train runs;
now think about that for
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a minute, good.
Because a train doesn't run
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off its tracks and if
it runs off the tracks
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it wrecks, that's
right, yes. And so God is
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created us in such a
way where it's limitless
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to where we can
go but off the tracks
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we don't go any
place. That's right.
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Yes, good point. That's
right, and you know what
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comes to my mind
in terms of creation.
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When God created
man, remember we found
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the other day that
when God created man
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he breathed into his nostrils,
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the breath of
life. Yes, yes, we talked
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about that. Which
was a symbol of God's
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affection for
man. It was a symbol of
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God's purpose. The
original CPR that just
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occurred to me,
that was the original CPR
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that's right. And
God's purpose to relate to
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man in a personal
intimate way, yes and
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that then would
become the basis for our
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relationship to one another.
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So that we receive
God's love personally
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and share it with
others and with His creatures.
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And this then became
the basic pattern and
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plan for life. And
so this is what, this is
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why the Ten Commandments
tend to have sort of
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two segments with
it. That's correct.
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The first Four Commandments
then are having to do
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with our relationship
with God. You're right.
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Am I doing alright
teacher. You are coming right on
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actually I don't
know how you could better.
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The fact is let's
think about that for a moment
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in terms of its
practice for the family.
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Yes, let's do that.
Every family, they say the
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family that prays
together, stays together,
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stays together, yes.
And there is a lot of truth
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in that. But do you
know the fact is that
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when God created
man, He created him
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with two poles. He
created him with an antenna
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to heaven, alright,
to communicate with God,
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okay, okay. An antenna
to earth to communicate
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with his
fellowmen, fellowmen, and with
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the animal world and
so forth, and so long
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as man is in
connection with God, the flow of
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God's own love through
man to others continues
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and this is what gives
joy. He says I have told
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you these things, I
just mentioned about
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His commands that
you keep my commandments.
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And then after He
says I've told you these
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things so that my
joy might remain in you
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and that your joy might
be fulfilled immediately
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after. He says and
this is my commandment
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that you love one another,
yes. So you see the love
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that God gives to us is
that love which we share
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with one another.
You're not gonna believe
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this Leroy. But when I
was coming over here to
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3ABN I was driving
and listening to radio
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and there was a song came on.
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Listen to this, this
shows you where we've come to.
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It says love yourself
the greatest love of all,
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oh my. Love yourself
it was the whole song.
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What were you
listening to. It was a religious
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station absolutely; it
was a religious station,
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okay. And love yourself
the greatest love of all
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and I thought, Oh God
where has this come to,
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because I was
thinking Pastor Moore that its
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incredible how the society,
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even the religious
society has picked up, oh yes,
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of course we love,
of course we love God
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and of course we are
gonna love each other
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but you can't do that
unless you love yourself.
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So love yourself is
the greatest love of all.
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Good, and what they
do is to memorialize sin,
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of course, because the
basis of sin is the shift
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of focus from the
creator to the ego,
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this is the point,
this creature right here,
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okay. But I would like
to think with you about
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the two tables of the law, yes.
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You know it's
interesting that there are
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Ten Commandments,
but in reality there are
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only two. Well that's
what Christ was telling.
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That's right, Jesus
said love God supremely
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with all your, you
know with your heart,
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your soul and your
mind and love your neighbor
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as yourself. Now
it's interesting that in
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creating man God
placed those commands
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within His very being,
alright. It's sort of in
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the DNA, we say
the spiritual DNA,
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that's correct. Now
the only reason why we
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have ten instead of
two is because of sin, yes.
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Because all of the rest
of them that keep saying,
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don't do this, don't do
that, yes. Don't worship
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other gods, don't
have images, don't take
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the name of the Lord
in vain, and then it only
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gives one
command for worship, yes.
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Now that command is
very important because
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it's a Sabbath command.
It's the memorial of his
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creation and it is the
basis for family worship,
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yes. And as long as
we keep that commandment
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within the family,
yes, we will have joy.
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He says I've told
you these things and
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you've just said
keep my commandments, yes,
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that you might have joy, joy.
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And then He
says, and remember that
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my commandment is
that you love one another,
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so the loving God,
the loving man has to do
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with the first and
second table and just as
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worship is the basis
of family togetherness.
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It also is true that
the fifth commandment is
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the basis for the
second table, all five of the
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last ones are as negation,
don't kill, don't steal.
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You know all of
these things that were not
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suppose to but there
is only one commandment,
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positive
commandment. Verse 12, verse 12
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here it is, Honor
thy father and thy mother
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that thy days may
be long upon the land
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which the Lord
thy God giveth thee.
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Yes. It's the Fifth Commandment.
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And it is in the
honoring of the parents that
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the little child
honors God. So then what are
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we like when we
are born, can you talk
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about that? Yeah,
well let's get back to
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what we've talked about
in creation to begin with,
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yes, yes. When man
was made he was made
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of dust the ground
and he was made an animal,
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yes. And when a little
child is born he is born
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as an animal with
fantastic higher faculties
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that God also create
him with, but they are not
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functioning yet. He
doesn't have the capacity for
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reasoning and
for judgment, right.
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Therefore the
parents, I was gonna say that,
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stand in the place
of God to the child just
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as man is to stand
in the place of God to
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the animal world. Okay,
and it's the little animal
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that's born that is
the little baby which has
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been made in the image
of God but it's not yet
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able to function on that level.
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But that's an
interesting thing Leroy
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when you talk
about the baby that,
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you know the
difference between a baby kitten
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and a baby human
being, is that little
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kitten would, a
matter of instance you leave
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that kitten with his
mother for six or eight
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weeks. You can take
it away, it can never see
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another cat as long as
it lives, it'll still know
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how to, dogs, climb
trees and give itself a bath,
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that's right. But
with the new born baby,
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it's not like that.
You don't teach a baby to
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take a bath it
won't. And so in some ways,
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in some ways where
a human being is made
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in the image of God
has the greatest potential.
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Yes, their
printing takes much longer.
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It's got to be taught,
a kitten doesn't have to
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be taught to be a
cat, that's right.
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But a human being
has to be taught that
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he is made in the
image of God, yes.
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And not only that,
but the baby is going to
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be dependent for
years. The little animal,
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most animals within
a few months or a year
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or two at the
most are on their own,
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and they are having babies, yes.
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God created man
in such a way that in
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order for the
higher faculties to develop
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properly, yes, and in
order for education to
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take place that the
child would be in the
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home for many years
and that there would
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be a gradual
process of transition from
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functioning as an
animal who worships God
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by accepting the
authority of the parent
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and loving and
obeying the parents, yes.
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So that the parents
challenge is to train
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that child beginning
very early to obedience,
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yes absolute
obedience. So the first lesson
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needs to be obedience.
That's right, to accept
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the authority because
they are God's authority,
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yes. God speaks to the
child through the parent
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and the child worships
God by adoring his parents.
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And obeying the
parents, so this place is, and
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I don't use this
word very often, but this
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places an awesome
responsibility on the parents.
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Oh it does. The
parents stands in the place
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of God to the child
and the parent who thinks
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that they're
little antics are cute and
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they shouldn't have
any discipline or anything
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and they should
just go long is betraying
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the child, the role,
of the parents, and their
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role right from the
beginning is to train
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that child to accept
authority to do so joyfully,
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yes, and cheerfulness.
And but, here is the catch.
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In order for the
parent to have the honor
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of the child, and therefore the,
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and I use the
word worship carefully,
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but the little child
is to worship his parents.
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Yeah you are talking
about in the very beginning.
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The little tiny tot,
yes he knows about God
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from the
parents, that's true, yes.
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But now the parent
is worthy of honor only
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to the extent that
he, is learning, and obeys
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God, like God. And the
principle of obedience is
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love, yes. And that
the parent at the same
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time where he is
standing in the place of God
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to the child he is
bending the child toward God.
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That's important
thing. In this way may be
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he is kind of intercessor,
he is kind of referring
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the child to God all
the time. As a matter
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of fact, reflecting
Christ to them, just as man
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stands as the link
between the creator
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and the creature,
so the parent stands as
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the link between
God and the child.
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But there is a
difference and that is
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you'll never train
the child to worship God
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directly, I mean
the animal the dog,
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the pup you'll never,
yes. You will always just
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worship it, but the
child has the capacity
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and we need to train
that mind to reason, amen,
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and to judgment and
to think for himself
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and not be just a
reflector of what other society
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is doing. So then what
would that require from
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the parents to do,
ask a lot of questions?
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What are, I'd like to
get off into that I don't
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know if you want to go there,
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but the
requirements of the parents.
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Well I, we could go
there with great profit,
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but there are some
things I would like to
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share here that
might interfere with but
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let me say this.
The parent has the most
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wonderful opportunity
to act as a conduit and
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as a transmitter to
transfer the child's
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affections from him
directly to God, yes.
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So it'll always share
the child's affections
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but the authority
that he exercises will
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gradually be
transferred to God, so that the
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parents will
someday want that child to
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obey God, even
rather than himself, right.
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Sort of like he must
increase, I must decrease,
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exactly, that's a
good. And then you become
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mutual worshipers
of God, the two of you
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then are worshiping
God. You know it also
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encourage to me
Pastor Moore that,
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my conscience kind
of gets through to me on
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this because parents
are tending to put on
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to other institutions
and organizations more
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and more of what are
parental responsibilities,
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yes, in other words
I guess the question
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we have to ask
ourselves is can I contract
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with anyone else to be
a parent to my children.
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Well, because
the learning process
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for the parent during
all of this is incredible,
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not just for the
child. But what the parent
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has to learn to be
able to do this for the
00:19:41.63\00:19:43.58
child this whole
character building,
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that's right, it's incredible.
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Of course this brings
up another subject itself
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and that is from this
concept of determinism.
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Well how can I be
a good parent when my
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parents weren't
good parents and so you
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can't get there
from here, right, right.
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And so I think that
in the Gospel we have
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to have hope that
says here I'm a parent
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even though may be I
didn't have the right
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models, I do have
Jesus as my heavenly parent,
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yes. And therefore
I can kind of get a
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new start, I can
kind of get it cranked up.
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And that's why
study of the scripture is
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so important and
that's why parents need to
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establish in the child a
pattern of daily worship.
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And then as soon as
a child is able to read
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and incorporate them
into it, and encourage
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them to be an active
part in reading and so
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forth and then at a
little later stage but
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not much later encourage
the child to have his own
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private
devotions, devotions, yes.
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Because ultimately it
is the private devotions
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that become the basis
of that love relationship
00:20:47.56\00:20:50.86
between the child and
God which will ultimately
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permit him to move
directly to God as his
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heavenly father,
not that he despise his
00:21:00.42\00:21:02.34
parents but that he
now. I think we're talking
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about dependency; I
think that in as much
00:21:06.59\00:21:09.98
as the child is a
100 percent dependent
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upon the parents
in the beginning,
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upon the parent
in the beginning.
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See instead of being
training our children
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to independence we
want to train them to
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not depend on us
but to depend on God,
00:21:20.29\00:21:22.26
that's a great
thing, right, that's right.
00:21:22.29\00:21:24.98
And when we do
that we are preparing
00:21:25.01\00:21:28.99
the child for real
life, yes, yes that's right.
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Because the Bible
speaks at one place,
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it says you'll hear a
voice behind you saying
00:21:34.12\00:21:36.67
this is the way,
yes, walk you in it, yes.
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The child must learn
to recognize that voice.
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And of course that
voice only has meaning
00:21:42.11\00:21:44.76
in the word because
it's not just something
00:21:44.79\00:21:46.64
ringing in your
head. Yes. See one of the
00:21:46.67\00:21:48.79
things Kathy that
concerns me is that
00:21:48.82\00:21:50.57
there are so many
voices, the culture itself,
00:21:50.60\00:21:53.85
the influence of the
school, the influence
00:21:53.88\00:21:56.77
of the
television. These can begin
00:21:56.80\00:21:58.91
to be a voice in
the child's head, yes,
00:21:58.94\00:22:01.26
telling him which
way to go, absolutely.
00:22:01.29\00:22:02.82
And so I really feel
Elder that, in the family
00:22:02.85\00:22:08.49
that the scripture
has to become the basis,
00:22:08.52\00:22:12.26
yes. It's the guide
book for all that we do
00:22:12.29\00:22:15.83
and Kathy, you know
I've been thinking recently,
00:22:15.86\00:22:19.77
you know as we said
I think in earlier that
00:22:19.80\00:22:23.26
the church is the sum
of its families and that
00:22:23.29\00:22:27.16
in fact I think during
one of the breaks Leroy,
00:22:27.19\00:22:30.18
you were saying
that the society is the
00:22:30.21\00:22:32.59
sum of the families,
yes. And so the problems
00:22:32.62\00:22:35.62
in the world today
are about family problems,
00:22:35.65\00:22:38.00
yes. And you know I
think if I had a congregation,
00:22:38.03\00:22:41.95
I think that my big
goal would be to someway
00:22:41.98\00:22:47.82
somehow encourage
the families of the
00:22:47.85\00:22:50.56
church to have
family worship, amen.
00:22:50.59\00:22:52.64
I think if we can
pull that off, I don't see
00:22:52.67\00:22:56.17
our problems
would go away and they
00:22:56.20\00:22:58.21
wouldn't go away,
right, but I think we can
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reduce I don't
know 50 percent, right.
00:23:00.35\00:23:03.32
The broken
homes are may be more,
00:23:03.35\00:23:05.42
would in fact
may be a 100 percent
00:23:05.45\00:23:07.45
because families that
pray together stay together,
00:23:07.48\00:23:09.63
stay together. It's
hard to be praying with your
00:23:09.66\00:23:11.66
wife and be planning to
divorce at the same time.
00:23:11.69\00:23:14.81
Yeah, that's right. Well
if you truly praying with
00:23:14.84\00:23:16.81
your wife or
husband, with each other.
00:23:16.84\00:23:19.03
I would like to turn
to this little model.
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We are gonna ask a
question, okay go ahead,
00:23:22.15\00:23:23.54
that we had and have
to spoken to before as
00:23:23.57\00:23:27.39
we near the close
of our discussion, so
00:23:27.42\00:23:30.21
we can see how it
relates to how God
00:23:30.24\00:23:33.46
created men
with the two centers.
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The lower brings
them, the autonomic
00:23:35.55\00:23:40.55
nervous system
which controls the animal
00:23:40.58\00:23:44.33
nature. It controls
the flow of hormones,
00:23:44.36\00:23:48.91
the blood, you know
the nerves that center
00:23:48.94\00:23:55.51
is so important and
it has to do largely
00:23:55.54\00:23:59.14
with the emotional
man and with our various
00:23:59.17\00:24:05.40
affections and
things of that kind.
00:24:05.43\00:24:09.55
But God created man in
his own image to reason,
00:24:09.58\00:24:13.46
to exercise judgment,
to discern between right
00:24:13.49\00:24:18.24
and wrong and to act
according to what is right,
00:24:18.27\00:24:22.08
yes. Now in this
process it is the Holy Spirit
00:24:22.11\00:24:27.51
that is to guide and
direct. Now notice what happens
00:24:27.54\00:24:31.01
when the child is
born, they're born largely
00:24:31.04\00:24:34.97
in fact entirely
with this the faculty.
00:24:35.00\00:24:41.18
In other words they're
not able to access this yet,
00:24:41.21\00:24:44.56
yes. But the
parents are the brain,
00:24:44.59\00:24:47.49
they are the reason,
a mind for the child,
00:24:47.52\00:24:49.94
they are the judgment, yes.
00:24:49.97\00:24:51.50
And if they are
under the Holy Spirit
00:24:51.53\00:24:54.03
and guided by
God's word then this is a
00:24:54.06\00:24:56.94
beautiful thing
because the child then will
00:24:56.97\00:24:59.63
grow naturally with
the Holy Spirit directing
00:24:59.66\00:25:04.36
his mind because
the parent in assuming
00:25:04.39\00:25:07.23
authority from God
transferring it to the child,
00:25:07.26\00:25:11.83
this permits the Holy
Spirit then to work up
00:25:11.86\00:25:14.61
on the child's mind
and heart, yes, yes.
00:25:14.64\00:25:17.20
And as his mind
begins to develop a very
00:25:17.23\00:25:20.61
natural way he
is developing as a
00:25:20.64\00:25:23.76
spiritual being, otherwise
he will develop only as
00:25:23.79\00:25:27.97
a cardinal being,
yes. And as the child that
00:25:28.00\00:25:32.63
grows and matures and
learning how to listen
00:25:32.66\00:25:36.88
to that voice even
at very, very young age
00:25:36.91\00:25:40.18
the child will begin
to hear the voice of that
00:25:40.21\00:25:44.47
spirit and recognize
this. And as he does he will
00:25:44.50\00:25:49.76
learn to exercise his
will, yes. And he will learn
00:25:49.79\00:25:53.24
how to exercise his
will in harmony with God's
00:25:53.27\00:25:57.76
word so that by the
time a child reaches teenage
00:25:57.79\00:26:01.37
there shouldn't be
any teenage rebellion.
00:26:01.40\00:26:03.80
And if there is teenage
rebellion we can't blame
00:26:03.83\00:26:07.11
anyone because this is a
very dysfunctional world.
00:26:07.14\00:26:09.86
Oh yes. But if it does
reach it and is in rebellion,
00:26:09.89\00:26:13.39
it is simply means that
process was not adequate.
00:26:13.42\00:26:17.08
And for whatever
reason it wasn't complete,
00:26:17.11\00:26:20.98
right, because Satan
we have the word Satan
00:26:21.01\00:26:24.73
down here, that
doesn't mean the flesh of
00:26:24.76\00:26:26.77
Satan by the way. No not at all.
00:26:26.80\00:26:28.44
But Satan operates
through the Lord by
00:26:28.47\00:26:31.24
stimulating the
Lord plans. And of course
00:26:31.27\00:26:35.75
we can go into all
the ways right now on
00:26:35.78\00:26:37.94
how that happens, so
we don't want to get to
00:26:37.97\00:26:40.53
deep into that. You
know as the pastor here
00:26:40.56\00:26:42.13
at the end of the
program he started preaching on.
00:26:42.16\00:26:43.84
Oh I know. And I'm
just sitting here and
00:26:43.87\00:26:45.21
I say now you started to preach.
00:26:45.24\00:26:46.39
He is going to tell
us what's on this heart.
00:26:46.42\00:26:48.04
You know I would
like to make a comment
00:26:48.07\00:26:49.24
how can they exercise this will,
00:26:49.27\00:26:52.35
if parents don't
start out very young and
00:26:52.38\00:26:54.26
helping them to learn
to obey, it's so difficult
00:26:54.29\00:26:57.47
for them later. And also
giving them many choices.
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Well and yes, oh
man, that would bring up
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something and in fact
we are gonna talk about.
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I think we are gonna
do that in next program,
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we're gonna talk
about the role of the will
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and the importance of
the will in the life of
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the child, yes
and our choices, yes.
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Well it can
exciting about these subjects
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and I hope that
it's exciting to you and
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as we go out I want
to invite you to see us
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again come back again next time.
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We are going to pray for you and
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I would like for you
to pray for us, Dick,
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would you do
that. Heavenly Father,
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we're thankful that
you're our heavenly daddy,
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and that you've
shared your creative power
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with us in
establishing fathers and mothers
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and all together
making homes with our little
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children. Oh Lord we
know our need for wisdom;
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we know our need for
help from you our heavenly
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father that we might in
our homes be a reflection
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of the heavenly
family. We pray that you'll be
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with every home
that's represented and
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watching this
program. We live in times of
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darkness and times of distress.
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And as darkness
covers the earth and gross
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darkness the people, we
pray that the light of God.
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