Participants: Leroy Moore, Kathy Matthews, Richard O'Ffill
Series Code: TAH
Program Code: TAH000176
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00:34 Welcome, welcome to "Thinking About Home"
00:36 I am always so glad that you've joined us. 00:38 I'm Kathy Matthews, I am your host for this program 00:41 and today we're going to have 00:43 I think something that you will really enjoy, 00:46 we're going to have with us two people. 00:49 We've been having a good time here 00:50 sitting and talking together. 00:52 This is Pastor Leroy Moore here to my right 00:56 immediately and Pastor Moore, 00:58 I'll get back to you in just a second and 01:00 we also have Pastor Richard O'Ffill 01:03 and I don't think anybody knows you Dick. 01:05 Do you think so? I don't think they recognize 01:07 your hair or anything like that, you're a new face, 01:09 no, not really. Pastor Moore, 01:12 I'd like to just tell the viewers 01:15 a little bit about how you and I met. 01:16 Is that alright with you? That's perfectly right. 01:19 Oh, and. By the way what's this about over here? 01:21 Oh, Dick. You didn't introduce 01:22 our invisible guest. I am sorry 01:23 I didn't introduce that, our invisible guest 01:25 here is your brain, isn't that right. 01:27 I pose for that. No it's not Dick's brain, 01:31 however, we got this is a chart we're going to be 01:33 using in the program and I think it'll be 01:34 very interesting to our viewers. 01:36 Don't you think? And we will get back to 01:37 that in just a second. 01:38 But I just like to share a little bit about 01:40 how you and I met, and that's some 01:42 12 years ago I think it was. 01:45 We met in the State of Washington and 01:48 he was our Pastor at a church there Tom and I. 01:50 And it was such a blessing in our lives there were 01:52 so many times when I needed his advice or help 01:55 and he became like a father in the faith to me. 01:58 And it was so easy to talk to, and things 02:00 that were meaningful in my life at that time 02:02 I just always appreciated that. 02:04 And a few months ago, we had the opportunity 02:07 to get back together again over a discussion 02:09 and I just invited him to come to the program 02:12 and I'm very thankful that you came. 02:14 I'm glad to be here. He is from Alberta, 02:17 Canada, Dick and by the way you're from Florida, 02:19 right? I am Florida. We both came a long way. 02:21 Long ways, and you're very faithful people. 02:25 Dick, what do you think? 02:28 Well, you know obviously Leroy has come to be our 02:32 expert today in talking about things so important 02:35 to the family, and of course, 02:37 Thinking About Home is about the family. 02:40 Here we are in the 21st century and if the devil 02:43 wants to do anything at all 02:45 it's to destroy our families. Right. 02:46 And that's our burden here on this program. 02:48 Is to try to fortify it, you know, to hold it up. 02:52 We talk about the church, the need of the church 02:55 for revival, and renewal, and reformation 02:58 and our Pastor Moore, I'm convinced that 03:01 in as much as the, the church is the sum of all 03:04 of its families that we really can't 03:06 have the church renewed and revived 03:09 until the families are renewed and revived. 03:11 You're right. And of course here we are 03:14 in this particular ambiance in this culture. 03:16 It kind of reminds me of. 03:18 You are not going to do it. 03:19 Yeah, I am gonna tell that story, you know, 03:21 I must tell our viewers that while we were 03:24 talking before the program begin, 03:26 I told this little story that I am about to 03:28 tell now and she said, don't tell it again 03:29 I won't laugh, but anyway you'll laugh 03:31 and if we don't care whether you laugh or not 03:33 but anyway it's a story about a little camel 03:37 talking to his mother, and so the little camel 03:41 says mummy why do have these big humps 03:43 on our backs, and mummy says it's so that 03:46 we can go for many days 03:47 without having any water, 03:49 and then the little camel says well, 03:50 mummy why do we have our feet this way 03:52 kind of all spread out, and she said, 03:54 honey it's so we won't sink in the sand 03:56 of the desert and then the little camel says, 03:58 mummy why do we have these long eyelashes 04:01 and she said, well, it's sometimes there is 04:04 sands storm out there in the desert and so 04:06 we close our eyes and we don't get sand in our eyes 04:09 and then the little camel thinks and says, 04:11 well if we were for that then 04:13 what are we doing here in the zoo. 04:16 And the reason I tell that is because 04:19 in a way the present culture, the sin, 04:22 sin has put the family in a zoo. 04:25 Right. Captivity. It's in captivity 04:28 and what will we do, what will we do to be what 04:32 God meant for us to be? And I think that 04:35 there is this tendency because we're like, 04:37 we're in this dilemma is to strike 04:39 of a normal of the abnormal. 04:41 Sort of to find an acceptable of the 04:43 unacceptable but I refuse that, and so, and so, 04:47 I'm hoping that in this program Leroy that 04:50 she'll lead us back, lead us back, can we go back, 04:54 we must go back because we can't take up from 04:56 where we're at, right, because 04:58 this is an unacceptable, yeah. 04:59 And so that's why you know this program is Genesis, 05:04 Genesis keys to a happy home, so if 05:08 we're gonna understand what it's like to, 05:09 for the home to be what it's meant to be 05:11 we've got go back to. You are right, 05:13 to Genesis, to Genesis. 05:14 Let's go back to Genesis. And I'd like to encourage 05:16 our audience to think close or listen close 05:20 because this is not your superficial stuff at all, 05:22 is it? I don't think it is. 05:24 To me it's very important, it's key, isn't it? 05:26 Yeah, yeah. Well, you know in the first 05:29 three chapter of Genesis, the whole gospel is 05:35 contented in embryo form. Right. 05:38 And it's amazing how much we can if we 05:41 really probe those few verses. 05:45 How much we can understand about 05:47 God's purpose for our lives and what happened 05:50 to put us in the zoo. And we will first begin 05:55 by thinking about God's plan 05:58 and this question about happy family. 06:02 You know I grew up in a home where there were 06:04 eight of us children. And there are some problems 06:09 with each children you know siblings and so forth 06:12 when you especially have no money and hard times 06:16 and so forth but there is also some great blessings. 06:19 Right, I know what that's like. 06:20 My folks used to say well, children, we're not poor. 06:23 We're rich. In the Lord. And we were, because 06:27 we had some things that make for a happy home. 06:32 I wanted to think with this morning a little bit 06:35 about the happy home atmosphere 06:38 and the question of what are the 06:41 ingredients of a happy home. 06:43 Well, the first thing that's needed for anyone 06:46 to have any real meaning 06:50 in life is to have a purpose. Yes. Right. 06:53 There has to be some goal, 06:54 there has to be some object, 06:56 there has to be something that 06:58 greater than oneself to move toward. 07:02 Life can not be meaningless. Yeah. 07:05 And there needs to be a sense of worth. Yes. 07:09 And that requires family because it's in the family 07:14 that God designed that we establish a sense of worth. 07:17 Yes. And the basis for a sense of worth 07:21 is that we cherish one and another, 07:24 that each member of the family sense 07:28 the value of the other and frequently 07:31 in various ways remind them of it. Yeah. 07:35 I had the privilege of being in a home where 07:37 both parents were loving and kind and where 07:41 they frequently share their feelings 07:46 about the worth of their children, 07:49 they also encouraged us to share with each other, 07:54 a sense of worth, yes, and you know what 07:56 it doesn't make Canadians how poor you are. 07:59 There are many times we had nothing to eat. 08:03 There were days when we had nothing to eat 08:07 but maybe some of the milk the cows gave, 08:12 some eggs the chicken lay, that's about to eat, 08:15 and sometimes we get one of these big 08:18 50 pound sacks of stale bread from the bakery 08:23 that was given to us for a few cents 08:27 and that would be about to it, but you know what. 08:31 We thrived. Because you had. We had. 08:35 Something more than food. Some, we had a purpose 08:37 in life, we had a sense of worth 08:41 and we had relationship 08:43 that helped us through every kind of problem. 08:46 Do you know that, you know this reminds 08:47 me what he's talking about 08:49 where the family shares appreciation? Yes. 08:51 I remember once I spent a week with a family. 08:54 I was doing some meetings and you know what they 08:56 would do for as a part of their family worship. 08:59 Each one was said what he appreciated of one another. 09:01 Appreciate one another, yes I've heard that. 09:02 And it was wonderful and I think that maybe 09:05 in your home you didn't do that in a formal way, 09:08 but it was implied. It was in the very 09:10 air you breathe, it was everything you did. 09:12 But it's nice even to have a little ceremony 09:14 of doing that too because makes a person think 09:17 why I value you. That true, it's good. 09:19 You know I like that verse in John 15:11, 09:25 we're gonna be talking about Genesis. Yes. 09:28 But Jesus was the creator, according to the 09:32 New Testament, God created all things through 09:35 Jesus Christ, yes, right. And as the creator 09:38 he became a creature and that's what we're gonna 09:41 be dealing with, the creator and his creatures. 09:45 But he became what he made and when he came, 09:49 he talked with him of course about many things 09:52 and he told them one time, he says these things 09:55 I have spoken into you that my joy 09:59 might remain in you, right, and that your joy 10:02 might be full, yes, actually Christ 10:05 did not come to put us in a straitjacket. No. 10:08 Right. He came to set us free. Amen. 10:10 And he came to give us a sense of joy, 10:13 but I want to go back to Genesis, good, 10:16 the first chapter of Genesis is really rather 10:20 interesting and you can summarize it quite easily 10:24 with these words, God said, and it was. 10:28 That's pretty good. God said, and it was. 10:32 You know the firmament and that the. 10:35 He spoken and it was done. Yes, and it was done and 10:39 when He came to the fish of the sea and animals 10:43 and so forth but there was a change 10:45 that took place in verse 26 of chapter 1. 10:48 No longer does God speak and it's done, he acts, 10:53 the Bible says and God formed man, 10:58 of the dust of the ground and I want you to 11:03 notice that, God formed man of what? 11:06 Dust. The dust. Dust of the ground. 11:07 Man belongs to the earth. He was formed of the 11:11 dust of the ground and by the way 11:14 when death takes place we returned to the dust. 11:17 Right. You know, I think we all heard that story 11:20 about the mother that explains us to the 11:22 little boy that we are made from dust and you know, 11:25 boy is saying his prayer at night and screams 11:27 and says mummy there is somebody under my bed 11:28 I can't tell whether they're coming or going. 11:30 Yes, I heard that before. But you know, I was 11:33 thinking about that the other day of Pastor Moore, 11:36 and in terms of, you know, the food we get 11:39 comes from the ground. Yes. 11:40 We're from the ground we were sustained from the 11:42 ground and we go back to the ground. 11:44 Yes. That's right. But you know there is rest 11:47 of that story after he formed man 11:49 from the dust of ground. Now that's earth 11:51 and that puts man in connection 11:53 with the lowest form of life. 11:58 Every, you know the grass. So there is a part 12:00 of him is lowering form. That's right. 12:02 And man by the way was made in such a way that he 12:06 has instincts as same as all of the animal world. 12:09 We have instincts that are so wonderful because 12:13 they permit us to live without constantly, 12:18 trying to put the hydrochloric acid in our 12:21 stomach and we don't worry about those things. 12:24 The instincts guide us and in many ways 12:30 we function without having to be 12:33 conscious of what we're doing, right. 12:35 When we're sleeping, the autonomic nervous system 12:40 keeps us in breathing and so far. 12:43 You would equate that nervous system 12:45 or that involuntary system with instinct. 12:48 Well, now I was thinking of the same thing Kathy. 12:50 That's right. No, but I don't think they're in 12:52 the strict sense of the word, I don't think 12:54 we would want to call that instinct, 12:56 now you know, I don't want to get into it 12:58 a debate over that but instinct I think has to do 13:02 more with actions with, then with the kind of 13:05 saying like my pituitary gland, yes, 13:07 sending out hormones, right, 13:09 you don't mean that that's an instinct. 13:11 Well we have two, we have two centers of the brain, 13:14 the lower center and the higher center. Alright. 13:18 And the lower center controls all of that 13:21 and when I speak of instincts I speak of it 13:24 to include the whole of the body because. 13:27 It controls all of what? It controls 13:30 It controls, all of the body, blood flow, oh, 13:31 you mean all the autonomy, 13:32 it's an autonomic nervous system 13:35 and it is through the autonomic nervous system 13:38 that permits you to drive along the road 13:40 and put your brakes on before you actually 13:43 are conscious of seeing the car ahead of you. 13:45 Okay, alright, so it controls that. 13:48 So all of these things are really involved in 13:50 instincts and of course instincts involve sexual 13:53 and the desire for food, all of these things 13:57 are part of the lower brain stem and God 14:02 designed this in such a way that it would 14:04 work beautifully, wonderfully, 14:06 everything God created was very good. 14:09 So you know we were mentioning before 14:12 when we before we've started here today that, 14:18 okay, I am sorry, I lost my thought completely. 14:20 Well, I know where you are going. 14:21 You know where I am going. 14:22 In another words, we have a part of us that's 14:25 a little bit like every other animal I think. Yes. 14:27 That's right. That's what I was gonna say, yes. 14:29 This is what I thought you were going to say, 14:30 in another words when you're talking about 14:32 a lower but not necessarily talking about 14:34 We are not talking about lower instincts 14:35 as being sinful. Yes, okay. 14:39 Because we do have as he is pointing 14:41 out a fleshly side of us. We have our lungs, 14:44 we have the hormones, we have the 14:46 need for nutrition, yes, yes, and so on 14:49 so forth, and I think that, I think that 14:51 you're referring to that as a lower nature 14:53 without being a deprive nature. That's right. 14:55 Okay. It was divinely designed and it was 15:00 designed in a marvelous way to put man in 15:05 touch with the creatures. Now let's go back to 15:07 Genesis again and move a little further and see 15:10 how this time sake. Okay, we are ready. 15:12 And in Genesis 1:26, it says, Let us make man in 15:15 our image, now I first of all I mentioned the fact 15:19 that we are made in such a way that we are animals. 15:23 Man is an animal, but we are not just an animal 15:28 we are the animal that is created 15:30 in the image of God, and in his likeness 15:34 and we are designed for fellowship and now we 15:37 go back to the chapter 2, verse 7 which I quoted a 15:41 while ago, God for man they are the same now 15:44 notice the rest of that verse, and God breathed 15:46 into man's nostrils the breath of life. Yes. 15:50 Now notice that everything in scripture is designed 15:54 to teach us something those words are there 15:57 for a purpose and those words are designed to 16:02 bring to us the image of a loving God 16:05 embracing his created being. Amen. Adam. 16:10 Now God's purpose then was to create a man 16:13 for his own fellowship, and man was created 16:18 in such a way that he could fellowship with 16:21 God because he's made in the divine image with 16:25 the higher center of the brain which puts him 16:29 completely in a different category than all 16:31 the rest of the animals, yet man 16:33 is able to relate to the animal world. 16:35 Alright, that is where he's going. Yes. 16:37 Because he is also an animal and the affections 16:42 interesting enough have to do with the emotions, 16:44 okay, and that has to do with this. 16:47 Now love and affection are two different things. 16:50 You know when you first talked to me about that 16:52 I thought that was a good thing for us to share 16:55 to separate that out. 16:56 I am glad you bringing that up. 16:58 Well, we have to discuss that lower later but 17:00 just a moment of saying love is centered here. 17:05 Yes. And we'll have to define that later, okay, 17:08 but love comes from God, and it is a gift of God 17:12 and without the presence of God we cannot love. 17:18 It is a gift of God that he administers 17:21 by his own presence, presence. 17:23 I know, it's beautiful. No, I don't mean to 17:24 confuse myself. Not yourself. 17:27 But now does this word affections I'm thinking 17:30 of a poodle. So you really couldn't say 17:32 that my poodle loves me 17:34 but my poodle has an affection for me. 17:36 That's right, yes. Now of course you're talking 17:38 like see he loves me but love requires, 17:42 and love is, love is not a feeling. 17:45 Do we go into that too soon you may 17:47 think of that later. Yeah, I think I light that 17:48 a little bit too soon. But we'll come back to it 17:51 later, okay, not in this session but later on 17:54 but now what I want to show is that man 17:58 is an animal but he is the highest animal 18:02 and he is not just an animal because 18:07 he's created with the capacity for fellowship 18:10 with God to hear him, to understand him 18:16 and to enter in by choice into relationship 18:20 and this brings us to another part of man, 18:26 you see, man was created with the power of choice, 18:29 yes, and it is the power of will that gives 18:35 meaning to reason, judgment, will, 18:38 conscience, all of these things are the higher 18:43 part of man's brain but it is the will 18:46 which is the command center for the whole body. 18:50 Right. God designed man to be a temple 18:54 of the Holy Spirit and he designed that man 18:58 of whether he is speaking to him directly 19:00 or through dreams or whatever the case is. 19:03 God's word would direct a man's reason 19:10 through the Holy Spirit and the word, of course 19:13 there was no written word to begin with it, 19:14 there was no need for it but God was in consent 19:18 communion with man, guiding his reason, 19:21 his judgment and so long as man chose 19:25 that a arrangement, yes, and was subject to 19:28 the guidance of the Holy Spirit. 19:30 The widow as the central command system for 19:34 the whole body controlled the lower center as well. 19:40 And therefore the hormones were perfectly 19:42 balanced and all of the organs of man work 19:47 in a perfect symmetrical manner. 19:51 Now the flesh of man is not evil, 19:54 it was the creation of God. Yes, per say. 19:57 That's right, per say, but we will find out later 19:59 and we can't discuss it now but when sin 20:03 entered in the world this whole process 20:04 was reversed so that instead of reason and 20:08 judgment being executed by the will to control 20:12 the whole body we find that the emotions. 20:17 Have now become. And the perverted instincts, 20:20 notice perverted instincts. 20:23 So instincts have been perverted, yes, so now 20:26 we perverted instincts. As they were created 20:28 the instincts of man were perfect. 20:30 Yes. And but you know I'd like to just 20:34 go a little bit further and share with you 20:38 something more about God's purpose in Eden 20:42 and we go back to verse 26, where it says, 20:47 in my, in our own image after our own likeness 20:51 and let here us give him dominion. 20:54 Now this is the wonderful thing. 20:57 God made man in such a way that he would 21:00 have dominion over the whole world, okay, 21:05 and over all the animals 21:06 even over the birds and so forth. Now I wish 21:10 we had time to explore that a little bit, yes. 21:13 Do you know even now it's fantastic when people 21:17 learned to tune in to the animal 21:20 world how much control there can be over. 21:23 Over an animal. An animal, yes, yes, 21:25 but we can't take time for that now, 21:28 right, but I would like to say that man was 21:31 designed in such a way that 21:33 had he always been true to God. 21:36 He would always have had 21:38 the control over the animal, but what 21:42 would be the purpose of that control. 21:45 God is love. God's very nature is love, 21:49 and God chose to love his creatures through man. 21:54 Amen, but you know, a thought that pops up 21:56 into my mind. A question, and you might not 21:58 want to deal with it right now, 21:59 that's fine if you don't. 22:00 If it's another program that we do 22:01 together that's fine too. But I'm thinking 22:05 how can I get a hold of this so that I can 22:07 understand my children better or how can I a 22:09 hold of this so that I can understand my wife or 22:10 husband better, how can I, 22:12 how does this work in every day life? 22:14 It's probable that we should deal with it 22:17 later on but just let me say this we do need 22:20 to understand that our children have 22:24 when they're born into this world, 22:26 they do not yet have the ability to function 22:30 on this level, they do begin functioning 22:33 on this level, right, and if we understand that, 22:36 it helps us, we can talk about it's implications 22:38 later, okay, good, it's extremely important 22:40 but many times we fail to understand the nature 22:44 of the child and therefore, 22:45 we're not able to relate properly, right, 22:47 and educate them properly. Yes, absolutely. 22:50 Do you know, what I'm hearing, what I'm hearing 22:52 of Pastor Moore say, then is that God made us 22:57 if we can divide the indivisible that we have a 23:01 component that communicates with him 23:04 of which is the higher side of us, 23:06 which is the part that was made in his image 23:08 and then we have a part of us that's very much 23:12 like the rest of the animal kingdom. Yeah. 23:15 And of course, you know, the spirit of prophecy 23:18 talks about the animal nature, 23:20 yes, yes, and so forth. Well, now what you're 23:22 really saying is the animal nature as in man 23:26 as God instituted it was under the control 23:29 of the higher, of the higher parts of man 23:34 but that in sin probably that's been reversed 23:37 that the spiritual part of the man is diminished, 23:41 in fact sin probably badly damaged it, 23:44 and now even in our present societies these 23:47 parts you call instinct it's the fleshly part, 23:50 it's the hormones, it's the emotions. 23:52 That you hear so much about. 23:54 In another words this part of reason and judgment 23:58 and so forth now is being played down. yes. 24:01 Do whatever you wanted to do what you know 24:02 whatever feels good. 24:03 If it's right, if it's right to you. 24:05 Which is catering to this? Let it all hang on, 24:07 which is Catering to the animal side. 24:12 The animal side which has no intellectual function, 24:17 right, none at all, the instincts simply operate. 24:22 They don't think, they have no conscience, 24:26 there is nothing at all except 24:28 feeling and stimulation response. 24:31 Let's put this into some real practical stuff. 24:34 So, yeah, that reminds me a couple of dogs. 24:36 In other words when you smell that pizza 24:38 you don't have to say, suddenly something takes 24:40 over and says I'm gonna peg out on pizza, 24:43 or when you hear certain kinds of music. 24:44 You don't have to, in other words there's 24:45 something inside that just responds, 24:47 that just responds to that. 24:48 The animal, the animal responds. 24:50 And it's the animal and it's built in 24:51 you're saying, you don't have to do anything, 24:53 you don't have to know anything, you know 24:55 when we speak about music even a child speak 24:57 this big you turn on certain kinds of music. 24:59 Yes. You don't even have to talk about 25:00 music just watch the child. 25:01 If they're big enough to stand they will. 25:03 They will do whatever goes with the music. 25:05 Yes, it's possible. You know, it's incredible. 25:09 Our time is passing by so fast, I want you to, 25:12 I know that you did a little recapping. 25:13 Have we done all that we want to do 25:15 before our time is up. 25:16 What you want us to remember 25:17 from this program Elder? 25:19 Well, I think what I like to do is to mention 25:22 that Genesis is the basis for family 25:26 and when God said, I want you to have 25:30 dominion over everything. He also says 25:32 I want you to multiply. 25:34 I want you to replenish the earth. 25:36 I want you to fill it full because I want 25:38 families in my earth and I want my families 25:43 to represent to the animal world and to all 25:46 other beings, yes, what I'm like. 25:49 In a way, I know it just sound an incredible, 25:52 we represent God to our little dog. 25:55 That's right. Only you can come up with that. 26:00 And not only that, but the dog worships 26:03 God by worshiping us. 26:04 Well, that makes me think of the birds 26:06 they sing the Lords praises they just do it. 26:08 Yes, they do. And when we have loving 26:11 relationships to animal by the way one of the great 26:14 tests of Christianity is how do we 26:15 treat our animals. Oh! Yes. That's true, 26:18 but you know when I said that about the birds, 26:20 do we praise we just, 26:22 we don't just praise from this. 26:24 See that's what their. I mean they do it. 26:26 That's their instinct, they do it but we don't. 26:27 We do it, if we doing it. True worship involves 26:32 the highest part of man's mind. 26:35 So then true worship would be trained into us then? 26:38 That's right. What do you think Dick? 26:40 I've heard in this program something that 26:42 I hadn't thought about before, Pastor Moore, 26:45 he's kind of told us that God created us 26:48 with an animal nature, in another words we 26:50 have that part that's link with 26:52 the rest of the animal kingdom. 26:53 It's not necessarily bad now sin has spun it out 26:57 our relationship with the higher capacity of man 27:02 and therefore we need to do then is to put it 27:05 back in prospective where we are now relating 27:08 from the higher sources of reason and that 27:11 this animal side of us is in subjection. Amen. 27:14 This is what I am going to say. 27:15 And the more that know that in our homes 27:17 the more prepared we can be for heaven. 27:19 Is that not so? That's right. 27:20 Alright, you know we usually go out with prayer 27:22 Pastor Moore, I would appreciate it then if you 27:24 would take us out with prayer. Alright. Okay. 27:27 Father in heaven, thank you so much 27:29 for your wonderful goodness, thank you for 27:33 creating us in such a marvelous way 27:36 and thank you for your love which despite 27:39 our desegregations are caused by sin that you 27:43 still love us and you still have a plan for us, 27:47 and that you do want to show us 27:50 how we can live this zoo of sin and captivity 27:55 to our own emotions and so that 27:58 we can live in function under the direction. |
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