Welcome, welcome to
"Thinking About Home"
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I am always so glad
that you've joined us.
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I'm Kathy Matthews, I am
your host for this program
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and today we're going to have
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I think something
that you will really enjoy,
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we're going to
have with us two people.
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We've been
having a good time here
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sitting and talking together.
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This is Pastor Leroy
Moore here to my right
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immediately and Pastor Moore,
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I'll get back to
you in just a second and
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we also have
Pastor Richard O'Ffill
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and I don't think
anybody knows you Dick.
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Do you think so? I
don't think they recognize
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your hair or anything
like that, you're a new face,
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no, not really. Pastor Moore,
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I'd like to
just tell the viewers
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a little bit
about how you and I met.
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Is that alright with
you? That's perfectly right.
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Oh, and. By the way
what's this about over here?
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Oh, Dick. You didn't introduce
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our invisible guest. I am sorry
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I didn't introduce
that, our invisible guest
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here is your
brain, isn't that right.
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I pose for that. No
it's not Dick's brain,
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however, we got this is
a chart we're going to be
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using in the
program and I think it'll be
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very interesting to our viewers.
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Don't you think?
And we will get back to
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that in just a second.
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But I just like to
share a little bit about
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how you and I
met, and that's some
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12 years ago I think it was.
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We met in the
State of Washington and
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he was our Pastor at a
church there Tom and I.
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And it was such a
blessing in our lives there were
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so many times when I
needed his advice or help
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and he became like a
father in the faith to me.
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And it was so easy
to talk to, and things
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that were meaningful
in my life at that time
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I just always appreciated that.
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And a few months ago,
we had the opportunity
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to get back together
again over a discussion
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and I just invited
him to come to the program
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and I'm very
thankful that you came.
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I'm glad to be
here. He is from Alberta,
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Canada, Dick and by the
way you're from Florida,
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right? I am Florida.
We both came a long way.
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Long ways, and
you're very faithful people.
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Dick, what do you think?
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Well, you know obviously
Leroy has come to be our
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expert today in talking
about things so important
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to the family, and of course,
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Thinking About Home
is about the family.
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Here we are in the 21st
century and if the devil
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wants to do anything at all
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it's to destroy
our families. Right.
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And that's our
burden here on this program.
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Is to try to fortify
it, you know, to hold it up.
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We talk about the
church, the need of the church
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for revival, and
renewal, and reformation
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and our Pastor
Moore, I'm convinced that
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in as much as the, the
church is the sum of all
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of its families
that we really can't
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have the church
renewed and revived
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until the families
are renewed and revived.
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You're right. And
of course here we are
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in this particular
ambiance in this culture.
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It kind of reminds me of.
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You are not going to do it.
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Yeah, I am gonna
tell that story, you know,
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I must tell our
viewers that while we were
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talking before
the program begin,
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I told this little
story that I am about to
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tell now and she
said, don't tell it again
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I won't laugh, but
anyway you'll laugh
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and if we don't care
whether you laugh or not
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but anyway it's a
story about a little camel
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talking to his mother,
and so the little camel
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says mummy why do
have these big humps
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on our backs, and
mummy says it's so that
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we can go for many days
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without having any water,
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and then the
little camel says well,
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mummy why do we
have our feet this way
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kind of all
spread out, and she said,
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honey it's so we
won't sink in the sand
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of the desert and
then the little camel says,
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mummy why do we
have these long eyelashes
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and she said, well,
it's sometimes there is
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sands storm out
there in the desert and so
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we close our eyes and we
don't get sand in our eyes
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and then the little
camel thinks and says,
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well if we were for that then
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what are we
doing here in the zoo.
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And the reason I
tell that is because
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in a way the
present culture, the sin,
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sin has put the family in a zoo.
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Right.
Captivity. It's in captivity
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and what will we do,
what will we do to be what
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God meant for us to
be? And I think that
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there is this
tendency because we're like,
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we're in this
dilemma is to strike
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of a normal of the abnormal.
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Sort of to find
an acceptable of the
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unacceptable but I
refuse that, and so, and so,
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I'm hoping that in
this program Leroy that
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she'll lead us back,
lead us back, can we go back,
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we must go back
because we can't take up from
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where we're at, right, because
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this is an unacceptable, yeah.
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And so that's why you
know this program is Genesis,
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Genesis keys to
a happy home, so if
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we're gonna
understand what it's like to,
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for the home to be
what it's meant to be
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we've got go back
to. You are right,
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to Genesis, to Genesis.
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Let's go back to Genesis.
And I'd like to encourage
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our audience to
think close or listen close
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because this is not your
superficial stuff at all,
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is it? I don't think it is.
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To me it's very
important, it's key, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah. Well,
you know in the first
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three chapter of
Genesis, the whole gospel is
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contented in embryo form. Right.
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And it's amazing
how much we can if we
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really probe those few verses.
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How much we can understand about
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God's purpose for our
lives and what happened
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to put us in the zoo.
And we will first begin
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by thinking about God's plan
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and this question
about happy family.
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You know I grew up in
a home where there were
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eight of us children.
And there are some problems
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with each children you
know siblings and so forth
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when you especially
have no money and hard times
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and so forth but there is
also some great blessings.
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Right, I know what that's like.
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My folks used to say
well, children, we're not poor.
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We're rich. In the
Lord. And we were, because
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we had some things
that make for a happy home.
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I wanted to think with
this morning a little bit
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about the happy home atmosphere
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and the question of what are the
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ingredients of a happy home.
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Well, the first thing
that's needed for anyone
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to have any real meaning
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in life is to have
a purpose. Yes. Right.
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There has to be some goal,
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there has to be some object,
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there has to be something that
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greater than
oneself to move toward.
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Life can not be
meaningless. Yeah.
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And there needs to be
a sense of worth. Yes.
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And that requires family
because it's in the family
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that God designed that we
establish a sense of worth.
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Yes. And the basis
for a sense of worth
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is that we
cherish one and another,
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that each member
of the family sense
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the value of the
other and frequently
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in various ways
remind them of it. Yeah.
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I had the privilege
of being in a home where
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both parents were
loving and kind and where
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they frequently
share their feelings
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about the worth
of their children,
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they also encouraged us
to share with each other,
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a sense of worth,
yes, and you know what
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it doesn't make
Canadians how poor you are.
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There are many times
we had nothing to eat.
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There were days when
we had nothing to eat
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but maybe some of
the milk the cows gave,
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some eggs the chicken
lay, that's about to eat,
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and sometimes we
get one of these big
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50 pound sacks of
stale bread from the bakery
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that was given to
us for a few cents
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and that would be about
to it, but you know what.
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We thrived.
Because you had. We had.
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Something more than
food. Some, we had a purpose
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in life, we had a sense of worth
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and we had relationship
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that helped us
through every kind of problem.
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Do you know that,
you know this reminds
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me what he's talking about
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where the family
shares appreciation? Yes.
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I remember once I
spent a week with a family.
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I was doing some
meetings and you know what they
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would do for as a part
of their family worship.
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Each one was said what he
appreciated of one another.
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Appreciate one
another, yes I've heard that.
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And it was wonderful
and I think that maybe
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in your home you didn't
do that in a formal way,
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but it was
implied. It was in the very
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air you breathe, it
was everything you did.
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But it's nice even to
have a little ceremony
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of doing that too
because makes a person think
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why I value you.
That true, it's good.
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You know I like
that verse in John 15:11,
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we're gonna be
talking about Genesis. Yes.
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But Jesus was the
creator, according to the
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New Testament, God
created all things through
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Jesus Christ, yes,
right. And as the creator
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he became a creature
and that's what we're gonna
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be dealing with, the
creator and his creatures.
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But he became what he
made and when he came,
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he talked with him of
course about many things
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and he told them one
time, he says these things
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I have spoken
into you that my joy
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might remain in you,
right, and that your joy
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might be full,
yes, actually Christ
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did not come to put
us in a straitjacket. No.
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Right. He came to
set us free. Amen.
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And he came to
give us a sense of joy,
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but I want to go
back to Genesis, good,
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the first chapter of
Genesis is really rather
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interesting and you can
summarize it quite easily
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with these words,
God said, and it was.
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That's pretty good.
God said, and it was.
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You know the
firmament and that the.
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He spoken and it was
done. Yes, and it was done and
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when He came to the
fish of the sea and animals
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and so forth but
there was a change
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that took place in
verse 26 of chapter 1.
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No longer does God
speak and it's done, he acts,
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the Bible says
and God formed man,
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of the dust of the
ground and I want you to
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notice that, God
formed man of what?
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Dust. The dust.
Dust of the ground.
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Man belongs to the
earth. He was formed of the
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dust of the
ground and by the way
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when death takes place
we returned to the dust.
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Right. You know, I
think we all heard that story
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about the mother
that explains us to the
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little boy that we are
made from dust and you know,
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boy is saying his
prayer at night and screams
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and says mummy there
is somebody under my bed
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I can't tell whether
they're coming or going.
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Yes, I heard that
before. But you know, I was
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thinking about that the
other day of Pastor Moore,
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and in terms of, you
know, the food we get
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comes from the ground. Yes.
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We're from the ground
we were sustained from the
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ground and we go
back to the ground.
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Yes. That's right.
But you know there is rest
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of that story
after he formed man
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from the dust of
ground. Now that's earth
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and that puts man in connection
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with the lowest form of life.
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Every, you know the
grass. So there is a part
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of him is lowering
form. That's right.
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And man by the way was
made in such a way that he
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has instincts as same
as all of the animal world.
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We have instincts that
are so wonderful because
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they permit us to
live without constantly,
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trying to put the
hydrochloric acid in our
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stomach and we don't
worry about those things.
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The instincts
guide us and in many ways
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we function without having to be
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conscious of what
we're doing, right.
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When we're sleeping,
the autonomic nervous system
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keeps us in
breathing and so far.
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You would equate
that nervous system
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or that involuntary
system with instinct.
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Well, now I was thinking
of the same thing Kathy.
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That's right. No, but
I don't think they're in
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the strict sense of
the word, I don't think
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we would want to
call that instinct,
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now you know, I
don't want to get into it
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a debate over that but
instinct I think has to do
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more with actions
with, then with the kind of
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saying like my
pituitary gland, yes,
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sending out hormones, right,
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you don't mean
that that's an instinct.
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Well we have two, we
have two centers of the brain,
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the lower center and
the higher center. Alright.
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And the lower
center controls all of that
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and when I speak of
instincts I speak of it
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to include the
whole of the body because.
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It controls all
of what? It controls
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It controls, all of
the body, blood flow, oh,
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you mean all the autonomy,
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it's an autonomic nervous system
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and it is through the
autonomic nervous system
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that permits you to
drive along the road
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and put your brakes
on before you actually
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are conscious of
seeing the car ahead of you.
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Okay, alright,
so it controls that.
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So all of these
things are really involved in
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instincts and of course
instincts involve sexual
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and the desire for
food, all of these things
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are part of the
lower brain stem and God
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designed this in
such a way that it would
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work beautifully, wonderfully,
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everything God
created was very good.
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So you know we
were mentioning before
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when we before we've
started here today that,
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okay, I am sorry, I
lost my thought completely.
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Well, I know
where you are going.
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You know where I am going.
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In another words, we
have a part of us that's
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a little bit like every
other animal I think. Yes.
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That's right. That's
what I was gonna say, yes.
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This is what I
thought you were going to say,
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in another words
when you're talking about
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a lower but not
necessarily talking about
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We are not talking
about lower instincts
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as being sinful. Yes, okay.
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Because we do
have as he is pointing
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out a fleshly side of
us. We have our lungs,
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we have the
hormones, we have the
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need for
nutrition, yes, yes, and so on
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so forth, and I
think that, I think that
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you're referring to
that as a lower nature
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without being a
deprive nature. That's right.
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Okay. It was
divinely designed and it was
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designed in a
marvelous way to put man in
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touch with the
creatures. Now let's go back to
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Genesis again and move
a little further and see
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how this time
sake. Okay, we are ready.
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And in Genesis 1:26, it
says, Let us make man in
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our image, now I first
of all I mentioned the fact
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that we are made in such
a way that we are animals.
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Man is an animal, but
we are not just an animal
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we are the
animal that is created
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in the image of
God, and in his likeness
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and we are designed
for fellowship and now we
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go back to the chapter
2, verse 7 which I quoted a
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while ago, God for
man they are the same now
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notice the rest of
that verse, and God breathed
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into man's nostrils
the breath of life. Yes.
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Now notice that everything
in scripture is designed
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to teach us
something those words are there
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for a purpose and
those words are designed to
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bring to us the
image of a loving God
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embracing his
created being. Amen. Adam.
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Now God's purpose
then was to create a man
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for his own
fellowship, and man was created
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in such a way that
he could fellowship with
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God because he's made
in the divine image with
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the higher center of
the brain which puts him
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completely in a
different category than all
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the rest of the animals, yet man
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is able to relate
to the animal world.
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Alright, that is
where he's going. Yes.
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Because he is also an
animal and the affections
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interesting enough have
to do with the emotions,
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okay, and that
has to do with this.
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Now love and affection
are two different things.
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You know when you
first talked to me about that
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I thought that was a
good thing for us to share
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to separate that out.
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I am glad you bringing that up.
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Well, we have to
discuss that lower later but
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just a moment of
saying love is centered here.
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Yes. And we'll have to
define that later, okay,
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but love comes from
God, and it is a gift of God
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and without the
presence of God we cannot love.
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It is a gift of
God that he administers
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by his own presence, presence.
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I know, it's
beautiful. No, I don't mean to
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confuse myself. Not yourself.
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But now does this word
affections I'm thinking
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of a poodle. So
you really couldn't say
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that my poodle loves me
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but my poodle has
an affection for me.
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That's right, yes. Now
of course you're talking
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like see he loves
me but love requires,
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and love is,
love is not a feeling.
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Do we go into
that too soon you may
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think of that later.
Yeah, I think I light that
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a little bit too soon.
But we'll come back to it
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later, okay, not in
this session but later on
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but now what I
want to show is that man
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is an animal but he
is the highest animal
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and he is not
just an animal because
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he's created with the
capacity for fellowship
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with God to hear
him, to understand him
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and to enter in by
choice into relationship
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and this brings us
to another part of man,
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you see, man was created
with the power of choice,
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yes, and it is the
power of will that gives
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meaning to
reason, judgment, will,
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conscience, all of
these things are the higher
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part of man's
brain but it is the will
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which is the command
center for the whole body.
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Right. God
designed man to be a temple
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of the Holy Spirit
and he designed that man
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of whether he is
speaking to him directly
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or through dreams or
whatever the case is.
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God's word would
direct a man's reason
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through the Holy
Spirit and the word, of course
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there was no written
word to begin with it,
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there was no need for
it but God was in consent
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communion with
man, guiding his reason,
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his judgment and
so long as man chose
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that a arrangement,
yes, and was subject to
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the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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The widow as the
central command system for
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the whole body controlled
the lower center as well.
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And therefore the
hormones were perfectly
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balanced and all of
the organs of man work
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in a perfect symmetrical manner.
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Now the flesh
of man is not evil,
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it was the creation
of God. Yes, per say.
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That's right, per say,
but we will find out later
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and we can't
discuss it now but when sin
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entered in the
world this whole process
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was reversed so that
instead of reason and
00:20:04.55\00:20:08.55
judgment being
executed by the will to control
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the whole body we
find that the emotions.
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Have now become. And
the perverted instincts,
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notice perverted instincts.
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So instincts have
been perverted, yes, so now
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we perverted
instincts. As they were created
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the instincts of
man were perfect.
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Yes. And but you
know I'd like to just
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go a little bit
further and share with you
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something more about
God's purpose in Eden
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and we go back to
verse 26, where it says,
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in my, in our own
image after our own likeness
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and let here us
give him dominion.
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Now this is the wonderful thing.
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God made man in
such a way that he would
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have dominion over
the whole world, okay,
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and over all the animals
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even over the birds
and so forth. Now I wish
00:21:06.70\00:21:10.92
we had time to explore
that a little bit, yes.
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Do you know even now
it's fantastic when people
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learned to tune in to the animal
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world how much
control there can be over.
00:21:20.00\00:21:23.35
Over an animal.
An animal, yes, yes,
00:21:23.38\00:21:25.39
but we can't take
time for that now,
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right, but I would
like to say that man was
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designed in such a way that
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had he always been true to God.
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He would always have had
00:21:36.12\00:21:37.71
the control over
the animal, but what
00:21:38.40\00:21:42.56
would be the
purpose of that control.
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God is love. God's
very nature is love,
00:21:45.57\00:21:49.08
and God chose to love
his creatures through man.
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Amen, but you know,
a thought that pops up
00:21:54.09\00:21:56.14
into my mind. A
question, and you might not
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want to deal with it right now,
00:21:58.28\00:21:59.25
that's fine if you don't.
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If it's another
program that we do
00:22:00.25\00:22:01.47
together that's fine
too. But I'm thinking
00:22:01.50\00:22:04.58
how can I get a hold
of this so that I can
00:22:05.06\00:22:07.01
understand my
children better or how can I a
00:22:07.04\00:22:09.03
hold of this so that I
can understand my wife or
00:22:09.06\00:22:10.83
husband better, how can I,
00:22:10.86\00:22:12.13
how does this
work in every day life?
00:22:12.76\00:22:14.88
It's probable that
we should deal with it
00:22:14.91\00:22:16.83
later on but just let
me say this we do need
00:22:17.56\00:22:20.84
to understand
that our children have
00:22:20.87\00:22:24.00
when they're
born into this world,
00:22:24.03\00:22:25.52
they do not yet have
the ability to function
00:22:26.02\00:22:30.34
on this level, they
do begin functioning
00:22:30.37\00:22:33.26
on this level, right,
and if we understand that,
00:22:33.29\00:22:36.08
it helps us, we can
talk about it's implications
00:22:36.11\00:22:38.28
later, okay, good,
it's extremely important
00:22:38.31\00:22:40.18
but many times we fail
to understand the nature
00:22:40.54\00:22:44.10
of the child and therefore,
00:22:44.13\00:22:45.45
we're not able to
relate properly, right,
00:22:45.48\00:22:47.95
and educate them
properly. Yes, absolutely.
00:22:47.98\00:22:50.32
Do you know, what I'm
hearing, what I'm hearing
00:22:50.35\00:22:52.69
of Pastor Moore say,
then is that God made us
00:22:52.72\00:22:56.99
if we can divide the
indivisible that we have a
00:22:57.40\00:23:01.09
component that
communicates with him
00:23:01.12\00:23:03.52
of which is the
higher side of us,
00:23:04.16\00:23:05.97
which is the part
that was made in his image
00:23:06.48\00:23:08.10
and then we have a
part of us that's very much
00:23:08.53\00:23:10.81
like the rest of the
animal kingdom. Yeah.
00:23:12.77\00:23:14.90
And of course, you
know, the spirit of prophecy
00:23:15.64\00:23:18.18
talks about the animal nature,
00:23:18.21\00:23:20.36
yes, yes, and so
forth. Well, now what you're
00:23:20.39\00:23:22.88
really saying is the
animal nature as in man
00:23:22.91\00:23:26.34
as God instituted it
was under the control
00:23:26.37\00:23:29.70
of the higher, of
the higher parts of man
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but that in sin
probably that's been reversed
00:23:34.06\00:23:37.08
that the spiritual part
of the man is diminished,
00:23:37.41\00:23:40.68
in fact sin
probably badly damaged it,
00:23:41.06\00:23:43.62
and now even in our
present societies these
00:23:44.05\00:23:47.23
parts you call
instinct it's the fleshly part,
00:23:47.26\00:23:50.42
it's the
hormones, it's the emotions.
00:23:50.45\00:23:52.45
That you hear so much about.
00:23:52.89\00:23:54.10
In another words this
part of reason and judgment
00:23:54.46\00:23:58.20
and so forth now is
being played down. yes.
00:23:58.23\00:24:00.94
Do whatever you
wanted to do what you know
00:24:01.25\00:24:02.86
whatever feels good.
00:24:02.89\00:24:03.96
If it's right, if
it's right to you.
00:24:03.99\00:24:05.31
Which is catering to
this? Let it all hang on,
00:24:05.76\00:24:07.17
which is Catering
to the animal side.
00:24:07.88\00:24:12.47
The animal side which
has no intellectual function,
00:24:12.50\00:24:17.02
right, none at all, the
instincts simply operate.
00:24:17.05\00:24:21.83
They don't think,
they have no conscience,
00:24:22.20\00:24:25.95
there is nothing at all except
00:24:26.33\00:24:28.67
feeling and
stimulation response.
00:24:28.70\00:24:31.84
Let's put this into
some real practical stuff.
00:24:31.87\00:24:34.35
So, yeah, that
reminds me a couple of dogs.
00:24:34.38\00:24:36.11
In other words when
you smell that pizza
00:24:36.14\00:24:38.45
you don't have to say,
suddenly something takes
00:24:38.48\00:24:40.54
over and says I'm
gonna peg out on pizza,
00:24:40.57\00:24:42.30
or when you hear
certain kinds of music.
00:24:43.05\00:24:44.55
You don't have to,
in other words there's
00:24:44.58\00:24:45.90
something inside
that just responds,
00:24:45.93\00:24:47.24
that just responds to that.
00:24:47.27\00:24:48.73
The animal, the animal responds.
00:24:48.76\00:24:50.56
And it's the
animal and it's built in
00:24:50.59\00:24:51.94
you're saying, you
don't have to do anything,
00:24:51.97\00:24:53.55
you don't have to
know anything, you know
00:24:53.58\00:24:55.76
when we speak about
music even a child speak
00:24:55.79\00:24:57.72
this big you turn on
certain kinds of music.
00:24:57.75\00:24:58.97
Yes. You don't
even have to talk about
00:24:59.00\00:25:00.28
music just watch the child.
00:25:00.31\00:25:01.28
If they're big
enough to stand they will.
00:25:01.29\00:25:03.39
They will do
whatever goes with the music.
00:25:03.80\00:25:05.76
Yes, it's possible.
You know, it's incredible.
00:25:05.79\00:25:09.38
Our time is passing by
so fast, I want you to,
00:25:09.41\00:25:11.91
I know that you
did a little recapping.
00:25:12.13\00:25:13.77
Have we done all
that we want to do
00:25:13.80\00:25:15.04
before our time is up.
00:25:15.07\00:25:16.04
What you want us to remember
00:25:16.90\00:25:17.91
from this program Elder?
00:25:17.94\00:25:19.10
Well, I think what I
like to do is to mention
00:25:19.13\00:25:22.46
that Genesis is
the basis for family
00:25:22.88\00:25:25.84
and when God
said, I want you to have
00:25:26.65\00:25:30.46
dominion over
everything. He also says
00:25:30.49\00:25:32.57
I want you to multiply.
00:25:32.60\00:25:33.76
I want you to
replenish the earth.
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I want you to fill
it full because I want
00:25:36.70\00:25:38.51
families in my earth
and I want my families
00:25:38.54\00:25:43.42
to represent to the
animal world and to all
00:25:43.45\00:25:46.21
other beings,
yes, what I'm like.
00:25:46.24\00:25:48.90
In a way, I know it
just sound an incredible,
00:25:49.48\00:25:52.64
we represent God
to our little dog.
00:25:52.67\00:25:55.11
That's right. Only
you can come up with that.
00:25:55.32\00:26:00.44
And not only that,
but the dog worships
00:26:00.47\00:26:03.21
God by worshiping us.
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Well, that makes
me think of the birds
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they sing the Lords
praises they just do it.
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Yes, they do. And
when we have loving
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relationships to animal
by the way one of the great
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tests of
Christianity is how do we
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treat our animals.
Oh! Yes. That's true,
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but you know when I
said that about the birds,
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do we praise we just,
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we don't just praise from this.
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See that's what
their. I mean they do it.
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That's their instinct,
they do it but we don't.
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We do it, if we doing
it. True worship involves
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the highest part of man's mind.
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So then true worship
would be trained into us then?
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That's right.
What do you think Dick?
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I've heard in this
program something that
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I hadn't thought
about before, Pastor Moore,
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he's kind of told
us that God created us
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with an animal
nature, in another words we
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have that part that's link with
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the rest of the animal kingdom.
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It's not necessarily
bad now sin has spun it out
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our relationship with
the higher capacity of man
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and therefore we need
to do then is to put it
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back in prospective
where we are now relating
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from the higher
sources of reason and that
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this animal side of us
is in subjection. Amen.
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This is what I am going to say.
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And the more that
know that in our homes
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the more prepared
we can be for heaven.
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Is that not so? That's right.
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Alright, you know we
usually go out with prayer
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Pastor Moore, I would
appreciate it then if you
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would take us out
with prayer. Alright. Okay.
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Father in
heaven, thank you so much
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for your wonderful
goodness, thank you for
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creating us in
such a marvelous way
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and thank you for
your love which despite
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our desegregations
are caused by sin that you
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still love us and you
still have a plan for us,
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and that you do want to show us
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how we can live this
zoo of sin and captivity
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to our own emotions and so that
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we can live in
function under the direction.
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