Welcome to Thinking About Home.
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I'm Kathy Matthews
and thank you again
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for joining us.
Truly we've been discussing
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a series of subjects
with Pastor Richard O'Ffill
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and Karen Tsigonoff
has been visiting us for a
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few programs and
she's with us again today.
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And so Pastor we've
been discussing the Christian
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family in the last
days. I'm glad that Karen's
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been with us
because you know sometimes
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you know when we
talk about the theory
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or how it ought to be
what it used to be, right.
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But having this young
person, and she's been
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really relevant,
hasn't she? She keeps
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this relevant you
know, yeah she has.
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And give us the
state of real life.
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Yeah. And the
Christian, the Christian life
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has to be real. Now
the Christian life is
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a theory but it
needs to incarnated into
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our own lives,
yes, and especially
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into our families.
Jesus said in His last days
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that really He did
use the word family
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but He might as well have.
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Well the whole family of God.
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Because that's what we are.
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But the individual
families. Because the
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family is the base
unit of human society. Yes.
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We all come from a family.
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And if the church is
the sum of its families
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and so there would
be things that would
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happening in the
church in the last days,
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there would probably
be the result of what
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would be
happening in the families
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and I believe Karen
that if there's gonna be
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a revival and a
reformation in the church,
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there's got to be a
revival and reformation
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of the families. And
so Jesus has warned us
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that there would be
deceptions in the last days
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and these deceptions
would take many forms
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and of course a deception to
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be a deception, is a
deception you don't know
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it's there. Right. A
good deception you don't
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know it's there.
You don't realize it.
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The devil doesn't come
in and knock on the door
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saying I'm the devil
and I've got a deception.
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Right. Would you
like to, he comes dressed
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you know, and someone
said that the deceptions
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of the last days
are covered with the
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thin skin of
truth, you like that,
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thin skin of truth.
So, or that error can only
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survive if it's
bring back to on truth.
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And I've thought this
if I can say this that
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in a way now this
sound you've got to cut
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and fall of this a
little bit closely.
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In a way truth is
weaker than error.
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You know I'm gonna
explain what I mean,
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because when you
mix truth with error
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it makes error
credible but you when mix error
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with truth it pollutes
it. Yeah. So error only
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becomes stronger
error when it's mixed
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with truth. And
when truth is mixed
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with error again
it's contaminated.
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And so this is why,
as we said in the last
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program that the
call to holiness is a call
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to separate it,
to separate truth
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from error. And the
devil is doing everything
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he can to get into
our families to get
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into our homes. By the way,
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you know I live in
Florida, don't you?
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Yes. What you are gonna say.
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Well I was just thinking
where you were going next.
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Well anyway you know I'm
bringing my documentation,
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you've got to do this.
I got my documentation.
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You know I've said
Karen that I'm gonna have
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a visual in all
these programs so we had
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Elmo in one of
the programs, yes,
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and I've had funny
money in another program.
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And a mouse made out of it.
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Anyway this is my
receipt before I came to 3ABN.
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The fellow from the
exterminating company
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came and inspected
our house for termites,
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this was just last
week. Which is not uncommon
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in your area. Well
listen you know termites
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were a problem down there and,
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they get into the
home. And they eat the house.
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So we got termites in
our house a couple of years
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ago and so the
company comes every month
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and then once a
year they come inside
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and I noticed he's
written down nothing found
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at inspection, attic okay.
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What's that supposed to
be? What's that supposed be,
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well I wanna tell
you what it really means,
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it means that we
care about our homes,
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about our houses,
what about our homes,
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what about the
family. You know I've got a
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contract to keep my
house safe from termites.
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Do I have that
same sensitivity to keep
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my brain from the
termite of the devil?
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And not only that
you're willing to have
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someone come in
and inspect to let
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you know about it.
This is true, but sometimes
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we're not willing,
I know, to hear what
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we might be talking about today.
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But for our houses
we were willing for them
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to come in and we
would spend money on it
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to take care of it we
would do what we needed
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to do to care of
it but to come in
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and have somebody
tell me, my house is about
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to be not by
termites, it's got bugs,
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it's got bugs. I'm
willing to here that.
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I'm willing to here,
if I need to. And what,
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you know the scripture,
it says that the scripture
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is profitable for
doctrine for reprove for
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correction and for instruction
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and
righteousness. And so we are,
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I hear what you're
saying; we ought to have
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the same open line,
right, for the word of God
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to come into our
hearts and into our families
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to tell us if we got
termites in our thinking.
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And have a willing
heart to be able to hear that.
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There was a time in
which there were lots of rules
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and dos and don'ts
in our church. Yes.
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I think we talked about
that in the last program,
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and we've been
kind of playing that now
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it seems to me, in recent years,
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one thing we said well
we are not saved by works
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we're saved by faith,
which makes some people
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think well it makes no
difference how we live,
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where before we're
kind of do and don't
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orientated you
know right and wrong,
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now we seem to
be shifting toward
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relationships you
know and of course that
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relationships of
what life is about.
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Can you overdo a good thing?
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Well some people for
some reason feel that
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if you have a
relationship with Jesus then how
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you live may not be important.
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It would seem to me
Karen that the closer
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relationship we had
with Jesus the more it would
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impact the way we live. Yes.
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Isn't this what
happened in your life.
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Well yeah I mean
the Bible says literally
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by beholding we become
change so that the more
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that I beheld the
goodness of Christ
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and the goodness of
His life and the things
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that he would
have us do and proverbs
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and psalms and that
teaches us how to live.
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You change, you
start seeing the filth
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of the world and
the things that go on.
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Well thing's has been in line.
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You've had an
awakened conscious something
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has clicked in there
and so now you see what
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you didn't see before.
But some people will argue
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well you know we
don't have to worry about
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the things that we
used to worry about after
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all we live in
changing times, having said that
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I will announce the
title of this program,
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some things never
change. Well you know when
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we were talking
about that a moment ago
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and I think you
need to explain exactly
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what you mean by
some things never change.
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Well for example
there's a lots of different
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architectural
designs when one's gonna
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build a house. Yes.
and you can make it really
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you know as pretty as you want.
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But unless you
follow certain principles
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it's gonna fall
down, it's gonna leak,
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it's gonna fall down,
it's not gonna be square,
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but the principles
have to stay the same,
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so the principles are the same,
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so they never change.
So I think in the Christian
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life especially
in the last days,
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things are changing
so fast and furious that
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we can be
deceived into thinking,
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I was gonna say in
the thinking that the
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principles have changed,
it would be better to say
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we can be deceived
in the thinking that
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there are no
principles that it's all very
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subjective. Right. And, or gray.
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That would be another
subject. What it's like.
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By the way I'm
doing the sermon entitled
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shades of grave. Oh
okay. But it'll not before
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this program. But
anyway I think that
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it's really important
then when we built houses
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that you have to
have one of these.
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Not all the, every
house is gonna look the
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same but it's got to be square,
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it's got to be on a foundation,
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you know it's got
to have certain things,
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so some things never
change in principles,
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this could be seen
then as a principle.
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And so in the
Christian life what do we have,
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we have God's
word, this is God's word
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which never changes until times
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do truly change. I
believe that as Christians
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living in this day
and age we must change.
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You see, some
people think well you know
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you people just never
wanna change you always
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be that wanna be
the same, no, no.
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the message to
Laodicea says you better change.
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Well, we better change
to be more Christ like.
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Well the status quo is
unacceptable, you got to
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change but the
question is how are we gonna
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change and on what
basis we're gonna change.
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Right, right, okay.
At least, at least that's
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the way I say, there was a time.
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Well thank you for
explain all of that to me.
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well thank you for
asking. And for everybody
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who wanted to know themselves.
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Well we got this
title. Anyway there was a time
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in which the
Christian life was about a lot
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of dos and don'ts.
We didn't know why,
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we just knew we should do that,
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now that list seems
to have disappeared.
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We knew for example
that we shouldn't dance,
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that we shouldn't drink alcohol,
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we shouldn't smoke,
we shouldn't go to movies
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and you know
speaking of going to movies
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I can remember,
believe it or not Karen
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that there was a day in which,
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that gray hair
could, like you think that
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he can't remember
but I'm sorry go ahead.
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In which when you
signed up to go to an
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Adventist College or
academy, you had to sign
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that you didn't go to shows,
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you didn't go to
movies, is that right.
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And if you put yes
and it would say have been
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removing into
last year, you put yes,
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you might not get
in. And if while you were
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there you went to show,
guess where you ended up,
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out the door. It was
prohibited. But you know,
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the television pretty
well put an end to this
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little clause in our
do don't list about don't
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go to shows.
Because people said what do
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you mean to go to
shows, hey we got it in
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our own home. Right.
This brings up ladies the
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subject of television. Right.
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And may I introduce
the subject with a personal
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conviction and I
like for us to discuss if
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you don't mind. Okay. Alright.
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I believe and how can
I say it more unkindly,
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more kindly I hope
this kind. I really believe
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that television is
watched by the average
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Christian is incompatible
with the spiritual life.
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Now listen to the
words. As watched by the
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average Christian, and
what kind of television,
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well I'm saying,
regular, I'm saying as watched
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yes okay, in other
words, make it really clear,
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the television
watching habits of the average
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Christian are not
consistent with what
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we're asking Jesus
to do in our lives.
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Now I'll throw that all on tape,
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you agree or
disagree? I agree with it I know
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that it effected my
life and has, you have some
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things to share
maybe that's more recent.
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Well yes it's
effected my life I can remember
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as a child
watching horrible things
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on television,
horror movies that you know
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images that have
stayed with me and I prayed
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daily that the Lord
would cleanse my brain
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of those but as a
Christian coming into the
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Adventist truth
that we have, moved from
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Black Hills Health
And Education Center
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where we're taking
classes there to Billings,
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Montana. I'm a stay
at home mother so getting
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very edging for
something and got a television.
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Well that was the
biggest mistake of my life
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because I realized the
hard way that I'm a little
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weaker and where I
wanted to be strong
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and only watch certain
programming that would be
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be safe for me to
watch I strayed and even,
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you know that changed
me and I'm not going to
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blame television
because I'm a sinner
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and I made my own
choices. But when I go the
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television that is the
turning point and I fell
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away from the Lord for
a period of three months
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and I started doing
things that were contracted
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the truth that I know.
And I had to get it out.
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We, I got it out I
mean we were paying payments
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on it and I told the
people so you've got to come
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and get this thing it
was like, so did you know,
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you know it's
like a predator calling
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the police and
911, somebody's in here,
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you've got to come
and get him, termites,
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termites in my house,
it was really like that,
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right. And that,
did you continue,
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so did you continue
to pay on it, yes I paid,
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you had to lose a
little money right,
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I lost money, yeah, but
I was willing I didn't care
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about the money, okay,
I realized I was losing
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my own soul because of
the decisions I was making,
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because of the programming
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I was beholding.
Now ladies, lets just,
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just for the
record. This happens to be
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3ABN Television, yes.
And so I don't think that
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we can sit on
this program, right,
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and say don't watch
television, 'cause guess
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what you and I just disappear,
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that's when I say make
it clear. Make it clear what
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you are talking
about. Well the problem that
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I had it's just my
individual weakness
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that I have to realize
I can abuse a good thing.
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So where I'm you
know, I just I'm the type of
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person that
cannot have a television
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in my home,
because it does me harm.
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The goal for me is
to reach a point where
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I can have a
television so I can view 3ABN,
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so I can view certain seminars,
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I love a real scrubbing
you know so I can watch
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these things. But
that's my weakness now but.
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Yeah you have to avoid
even a good thing to be
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able to keep you
away from those things
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that you know in which
you are too weak at this
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point to do anything about it.
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I heard a story Kathy about a,
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and this was kind of
a third person story the
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person saying that
a family had bought a
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television and
apparently they didn't have
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the 3ABN, you know
dish or whatever which is,
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but they had said
we're going to control
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the television.
This person said when
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them in their home
they just got the television
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and they wouldn't
even watch the commercials
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I mean you're
talking about a born
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again television. Yes.
And it was just really,
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it was really structured.
He said Pastor O'Ffill
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I've visited that
family a year later,
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you know what I'm gonna say,
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they were watching
everything that came
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down the pike
yeah and the worse part
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and this goes to
this whole theme that they
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were doing they
didn't know anything
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had changed, they
were deceived. Right.
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In other words
someway like termites,
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this come in, and it
come in and with their
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best intentions. And
so I think, I don't think
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we are being at all disloyal,
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we believed in the
propagation of the Gospel
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through the media of television.
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But yet at the same
time we realized that
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television in the
hands of so many families
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is letting worse than
termites I mean you could
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fix what the damage of
termite could do. Right.
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You almost can't fix the other.
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But what do you do
and this gets in the heads
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of your kids, it takes
time, yes. you know when
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you're talking
about that a moment ago
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do you remember
when Rachel sang her song
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that you wrote as a
result it was Karen and John,
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this is our Karen,
yes, yes. And that she was
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listening to us
talk on the phone,
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remember the song started out.
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She is crying on the phone.
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Well, there was
something that Karen said to me
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that day and I
don't know if you remember
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this maybe you can
recall Karen that at the
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time that it was not
out of the home for her
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that what she was
doing and her choices.
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She said right
now I'm desensitized,
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because right now I
don't care, do you see
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the difference in
her now, oh yes, yes,
00:16:14.13\00:16:16.24
because I remember
after that and you have made
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a decision to get
rid of that and you said
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it's going and they
both made the decision that
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this what we are
gonna do it's going because
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we are not able to handle it,
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we can't control
it, we can't control it.
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and I think there's a
lot to be said because
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you know there's
nothing wrong with saying
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I'm weak in that area
I stay away from that,
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right, when you speak
about being desensitized
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can I tell you kind
of a little girl story,
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I wanna tell you one more thing,
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you can tell a
story, yes madam, go ahead.
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The other thing that
she said though the day
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that was gone, do you
remember what you said
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about how you felt? I felt free.
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I felt, I can't remember
exactly but I do remember
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the house was
barren I mean we hardly had
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any furniture, we're
so new to town, we're,
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but anyway we're, I felt
that the burden was gone,
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I did I felt lighter I
just felt because it really.
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I mean I've done some
studies on what television
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can actually do to our
physiologically depending
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on the program
we're watching but,
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what I was beholding was really,
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I was getting
colder, yes, that's what
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I'm talking about,
that's what she was
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telling about, you know
that actually does a lot
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of damage to your
frontal lobe and even
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if you're
watching a good program,
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even if I would
watch discovery where these
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good programs
American History Channel
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there's commercials that
come on, if like you said
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these folks when at
home and they were muting
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these if you don't
continually do that,
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there's music.
Television and the people behind
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it they do all they
can in their research
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psychologically everything
they can do to trap you,
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but you're gonna
trance. And that's exactly what
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was happening to
me. Now somebody think
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we're being pretty
picky here, but when you're
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taking the majority
of the nation it seems
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or the world who has
been raised on television
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and then we
want to move into the
00:18:08.86\00:18:10.20
Christian lifestyle. If
we would like to say that
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is not affecting us I
think we're sadly wrong.
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Well that's where I
started out, can I tell my
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little story now. Oh
yes, I gave you permission.
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I just had to just,
I'm sorry, no but I think
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it was, and it is
just important to me to the
00:18:23.25\00:18:24.64
difference go ahead. I
think it's so important
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what she said because
its real life and the story
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that I'm gonna tell
is a little bit goofy.
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I used to have real
allergies as I've got an
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older through the
years, it's not getting worse,
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it gotten better I've
grown lots of allergy.
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But Karen you know
when I a number of years
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ago when our
youngest son was still
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at home Dan, we
would eat, be just three
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of us at the table and
it wasn't just hot food
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I don't know, I
think with my allergy,
00:18:50.24\00:18:51.74
but sometimes when I
start eating, excuse me
00:18:51.75\00:18:53.76
for saying this, my
nose would started running.
00:18:53.77\00:18:55.29
And I don't know
how else to say it,
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my nose would started running.
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And so I would reach
out my pocket you know
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and I would pick out my
handkerchief and I would
00:19:01.22\00:19:02.93
you know, it's my, I
think it's supposed to do but.
00:19:02.94\00:19:05.31
And so Dan, and
it's better than having
00:19:05.65\00:19:07.87
a running nose, and
so Dan he is sitting
00:19:07.88\00:19:09.94
at the table there
and when I would there
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with my handkerchief
he would say oh yuck.
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You know, yuck is
one of these words for
00:19:14.50\00:19:16.78
young people, he
would say oh yuck that
00:19:16.79\00:19:18.54
grosses me out and
he would take his plate
00:19:18.55\00:19:21.25
from the table. And
I would say come back,
00:19:21.26\00:19:23.25
he say I can't
and goes down. Okay.
00:19:23.67\00:19:25.70
And that didn't happen once,
00:19:25.71\00:19:27.08
that was happening
all, I couldn't help it,
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I couldn't help it,
it was just did I'm had
00:19:29.26\00:19:31.27
these allergies.
Okay. And so, you know this
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was going on
for a period of time
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and so one day I
thought what I gonna do
00:19:36.15\00:19:37.61
about this. So one
day I thought I'm gonna
00:19:37.62\00:19:39.92
teach them a lesson
I think. So there we're
00:19:40.49\00:19:43.35
sitting at the table he
was still there you know
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I guess my I hadn't
grossed him out yet,
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I started
making up a story about
00:19:47.31\00:19:51.45
something lured. Now
I didn't get pornography
00:19:51.46\00:19:54.69
but I started
making up a story about
00:19:54.70\00:19:56.51
somebody having an
affair. It wasn't so long,
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I just barely got into it. Okay.
00:20:00.28\00:20:01.67
This is where we're going now.
00:20:01.68\00:20:02.75
That the minute
I start this story,
00:20:02.76\00:20:04.49
my wife she stops,
she starts listening.
00:20:05.16\00:20:07.49
And Dan he kind of
you know he starts really
00:20:08.88\00:20:12.00
getting into, how's
that, you know, how's that,
00:20:12.01\00:20:13.73
really interested. And
so I let that story last
00:20:14.18\00:20:16.87
who knows 30
seconds and then I stopped,
00:20:16.88\00:20:19.13
and I said tell
me which is worse,
00:20:20.20\00:20:23.67
blowing your nose at
the table or adultery.
00:20:24.54\00:20:26.54
Makes a good point.
You clear the point.
00:20:28.26\00:20:30.11
In other words, in
other words when I'm blowing
00:20:30.12\00:20:31.85
my nose he's grossed out
he walks out of the room.
00:20:31.86\00:20:34.77
But some of these
other things wouldn't
00:20:34.78\00:20:36.21
gross out at all.
Yeah but when we're talking
00:20:36.22\00:20:37.19
about adultery and
fornication whatever,
00:20:37.20\00:20:39.54
then we get, yeah
tell me about this.
00:20:39.55\00:20:41.82
And you know it
goes back to what
00:20:42.31\00:20:45.29
we're talking about;
we're not talking against
00:20:45.30\00:20:47.77
television how can
we? But we're just saying
00:20:47.78\00:20:50.58
that television is
watched by the average
00:20:50.59\00:20:52.45
Christian is desensitizing,
when we're watching
00:20:52.46\00:20:55.55
assimilated adultery
or suggested adultery
00:20:56.07\00:20:58.97
we're watching
people lie, we're watching
00:20:58.98\00:21:01.28
people sink, nudity,
and kill and everything
00:21:01.29\00:21:04.51
you mind if I tell
you another little story,
00:21:06.50\00:21:08.05
no, go ahead, I
like your stories, the,
00:21:08.06\00:21:11.20
I was traveling one
time and I think I heard
00:21:12.07\00:21:14.29
Karen say that you
know we used television
00:21:14.42\00:21:16.76
to keep us company, we
use it to keep us company.
00:21:16.77\00:21:18.77
Yes. And so it might
be fun to travel for some
00:21:18.78\00:21:21.62
people but it's kind
of lonely especially after
00:21:21.63\00:21:23.78
the work is done
what I'm gonna do,
00:21:23.79\00:21:25.48
I think I'm like television,
00:21:25.49\00:21:26.87
so I hadn't
watched anything bad.
00:21:27.43\00:21:29.43
Well I can't say
that either I just watched
00:21:30.48\00:21:32.26
whatever came on but
I wasn't buying dirty
00:21:32.27\00:21:34.27
movies or whatever it
was, it was just coming
00:21:34.28\00:21:37.07
of the regular
channel and so pretty soon
00:21:37.08\00:21:39.78
it comes time to go to
bed. And I took my shower
00:21:39.79\00:21:43.02
and I had my little
devotional and I got on
00:21:43.03\00:21:46.27
my knees I started to pray.
00:21:46.28\00:21:47.54
What's in your mind?
What was in your mind,
00:21:47.55\00:21:50.01
when I watch this I
started to pray I get
00:21:50.02\00:21:52.84
halfway through my
prayer and I stopped.
00:21:52.85\00:21:54.90
Because.. I can't pray anymore.
00:21:55.84\00:21:57.49
I said just prayer
doesn't make any sense
00:21:57.50\00:21:59.94
because Karen I'm
praying, Oh Jesus help me
00:22:00.38\00:22:03.49
to be pure and
kind and you know honest
00:22:03.50\00:22:07.62
you know the whole,
the fruit of the spirit
00:22:07.63\00:22:10.00
and it dawns on me
that I've been spending
00:22:10.62\00:22:13.37
the last two hours
watching just the opposite.
00:22:13.38\00:22:15.95
And I'm thinking to
myself this doesn't make
00:22:17.41\00:22:18.88
any sense to me. Yeah.
I stopped my prayer right
00:22:18.89\00:22:20.77
there and I thought I
think before I pray anymore
00:22:20.78\00:22:23.58
I'm gonna have to decide
which is gonna be, right.
00:22:23.59\00:22:25.21
Yeah. When I
choose and I've had those
00:22:26.81\00:22:28.68
experiences and when
I choose to do something
00:22:28.69\00:22:31.03
like that I have
trouble even hearing my
00:22:31.04\00:22:34.56
own prayers. I
don't even want to pray.
00:22:34.57\00:22:36.53
I don't speak them out loud.
00:22:36.54\00:22:37.51
Well, expect
that I come back to;
00:22:37.80\00:22:39.74
forgive me Lord I
see what it's doing to me
00:22:40.54\00:22:43.01
you know praying in that sense.
00:22:43.44\00:22:44.89
But I, it runs through my mind
00:22:45.45\00:22:47.86
or now if I
choose to do that if I'm
00:22:47.87\00:22:52.35
in a situation where
somebody is impressing
00:22:52.36\00:22:54.12
something or
whether pressing something
00:22:54.13\00:22:55.58
upon me it might be
different, I don't choose
00:22:55.59\00:22:59.05
myself to get into
that sort of thing,
00:22:59.06\00:23:01.59
that's right. But
when I've done the choosing
00:23:01.60\00:23:02.77
then I've harmed
myself. And you know we have
00:23:02.78\00:23:05.35
to realize too I just
think of my son and just a,
00:23:05.36\00:23:08.46
I'm trying to
teach him some adequate
00:23:09.13\00:23:12.37
I mean he's saying
little words but he understands
00:23:12.38\00:23:14.29
what's in his diaper
when it needs to be changed.
00:23:14.30\00:23:16.33
I'm trying to
have him say dirty so
00:23:16.84\00:23:18.83
if we're in
public he doesn't offend
00:23:18.91\00:23:19.89
anybody by saying
certain things, yes.
00:23:19.90\00:23:22.41
But you know I've told
him that's a dirty diaper,
00:23:22.42\00:23:25.66
ten million
times more than I've,
00:23:25.67\00:23:27.51
actually I
blurred out that's doodoo
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or something of that nature.
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And you know
he'll remember that,
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he'll remember the
doodoo over the dirty.
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Yes. and so you know,
no okay so you are an adult
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and I know you're
talking about beholding
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these things and
then trying to pray
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well if I'll be
beholding these things and
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I'm trying to
pray as I'm praying
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and then all of a
sudden I'm realizing okay,
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I'm supposed to be
praying but I just,
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I catch myself
day dreaming. Yes.
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All of those filthy
images and the violence
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and the fornication or
what have you or images
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that are ten
times harder to get out
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of my mind and keep
coming back and back
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and back and back and
because that's the way
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every night. And
I've thought and this is
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ridiculous that we
may forget the name of our
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first grade teacher
but you can remember
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the first dirty
joke we ever heard.
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Now I don't say that
literally but why is it
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and Karen is
saying that this filth,
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this evil and
we're actually letting
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it in the house, this
is the incredible thing,
00:24:25.05\00:24:27.68
this is the things
that we're letting into our
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heads are
contrary to everything that
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heaven's gonna be,
yes, contrary to everything
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that we even want
to be here, right,
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why are we vicariously
watching these people
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do things for which
Christ died, could I say.
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Right, exactly. What
are we gonna do about this?
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We've got to do
something about it.
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I think it's you know
we hate to use the word
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hypocritical but I
think it is hypocritical, yes.
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Unless we can bring
our lives into conformity
00:24:56.88\00:25:01.77
with our prayers,
could I say that, yes,
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if I'm gonna pray one
thing and live another.
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Yes. What can Jesus do for me?
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No, I know this is complicated,
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because you know
there's even in some homes
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one of the spouses
who likes the stuff
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and other spouse
doesn't. And the other
00:25:20.24\00:25:22.56
spouse could say
you know this is messing
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up my life. Really
it makes it difficult.
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And you know what
I've appealed Kathy
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I've said if your
spouse appeals to you to do
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something to
control the television,
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listen to them,
because what they're really
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saying is, this is messing up my
00:25:36.68\00:25:38.65
spiritual life. Right help me.
00:25:38.66\00:25:40.13
It may not be
messing up yours but it's
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messing up mine, yes.
And if you really love
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your spouse
would you want to be,
00:25:44.29\00:25:46.42
or your family
members your children,
00:25:46.43\00:25:47.71
you know would
you wanna be in heaven
00:25:47.72\00:25:48.69
without them and
they would say oh look
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what I did, why
didn't I listen to their call
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for help, right.
they were saying this is,
00:25:51.92\00:25:54.21
you know I've
found it very true that
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when I allow myself to
be exposed to this crazy
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stuff you may think
this is for us, it takes away
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my desire to pray.
Right. I get down on my knees;
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I don't know what to say. Yeah.
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it doesn't make any sense.
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It would help for
people too to realize you know
00:26:12.85\00:26:14.91
if you go out and
drink alcoholic beverage
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it's inevitably you're
going to feel intoxicated
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that's with the
alcoholic beverages for.
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Well lots of Christians
wouldn't just go and do
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that but they'll sit
in front of a television
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that marketing strategies
have made they're gonna
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make a hamburger commercial,
00:26:28.31\00:26:29.30
there's subliminal
messages, you're gonna
00:26:29.31\00:26:30.71
feel hungry, I noticed
when I watch television
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I eat a lot more, I
snack and I eat a lot more
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and I you know
that's what television
00:26:36.06\00:26:38.47
is meant for. So
you're getting a message.
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So but we're more
readily willing to do that.
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If people get educated
to the effects of these
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kinds of
programming and might make them
00:26:46.45\00:26:48.49
better able to make
a decision, absolutely.
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Well I think in this
program that our message
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has not been anti
television. No, it's not.
00:26:54.75\00:26:58.22
But
anti-impurity, anti-impurity,
00:26:58.23\00:27:00.30
anti-dishonesty,
absolutely, anti-violence
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and that we do have
televisions in our homes,
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the majority have
televisions in their
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homes do something about that.
00:27:07.61\00:27:09.60
We're doing
something about the termites,
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absolutely; we've got
to do something about this.
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Oh thank you, you
know these are the kind
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of programs that I
feel like are so important
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for us in the last
days. And I want to just
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thank you Karen for
being, thank you so much
00:27:23.55\00:27:25.37
for having me, I know
that it's just been very
00:27:25.38\00:27:26.54
real to you and
Rick, for going over
00:27:26.55\00:27:28.71
these subjects. It's
not been our intention
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to offend anyone, just
think, is there something
00:27:31.94\00:27:36.04
happening to you, do
you want Christ closer
00:27:36.05\00:27:38.13
in your life? We're
going to be praying for you,
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please pray for us and join us
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again on Thinking About Home.
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Heavenly Father,
oh Lord, make us real
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sensitive in these
last days as the devil tries
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to deceive us and
to try to get into our
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hearts and minds, into our homes
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and into the
lives of our children.
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Lord, we've taken
measures to protect our.
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