Welcome to Thinking About Home.
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I am Kathy Matthews,
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and I'm glad you join us again.
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We're going to continue
our series Dick, aren't me.
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It's series about
the Christian home,
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the Christian family
living in the last days.
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And I want to say
more than just Dick
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for those who
don't know who you are.
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This is Pastor
Richard O'Ffill from the
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Florida Conference of
Seventh-day Adventist,
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and a dear friend of
mine and like a daughter
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Karen Tsigonoff who
has been on our program
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before and welcome back Karen.
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Thank you. I'm
glad you are here.
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Me too. We're gonna talk about
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some interesting things
and so, we thought maybe,
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maybe to have the
some of the inputs
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from somebody
that's maybe less than 30
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or almost 30 or
gonna be 30 some day
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would be helpful to us Karen,
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She won't look
like that, does she?
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No. You know, we used
to be that age one time.
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You told her age. No
you didn't tell her age.
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No, I just said she
will be 30 some day.
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Oh, I see that helps.
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Thank you. Well, we've had,
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what Kathy and I are
trying to do in this series
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is impress upon our
hearts as Christian families.
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The importance of being really
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alert in the last days
because Jesus himself said
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if there would be
deceptions and these deceptions
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would be so well crafted
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that they would
deceive even the...
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it says the very elect
but I put in the vernacular
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even the good guys.
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Even the good guys
would just about fall for it.
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And sometimes as we've
seen the last day events,
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we tend to see them
Karen in terms of prosecutions,
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you know, they
gonna prosecute me.
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they gonna take me to prison.
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But I really feel
that before that happens
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and some day it will
happen according to scripture
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that the devil
goes after our brains.
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So he wants our brains.
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That's what I was
gonna say even the very elect
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could be said even the
most conscientious ones,
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Well, if they are not careful.
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Now we would hope that
the most conscientious,
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maybe the well
intentioned but I think that
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we're trying to say
that if we'll be alert
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then we can
avoid being deceived.
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And of course we're gonna
do this through the scripture.
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Then there is these components
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that are around
us in the last days
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and for example the culture.
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The culture pushes on us now.
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We don't all
live the same culture.
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Right. Even 3ABN now is
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a worldwide television ministry,
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so people are
watching this program
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in different cultures.
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So we don't think that everybody
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ought to have
the American culture,
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if we eat with
chopsticks or with your figures
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or you dress, however you dress.
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But we believe that
the Christian family
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whether they are
in South America,
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or they are in Asia,
or they are in Africa
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is not going to want to just
absorb all the local culture.
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They gonna want to go
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with the good
parts of the culture
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and with the
parts that don't match
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the Ten Commandments,
the parts that don't match
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Sermon on the
Mount and Philippians 4:8
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they gonna want leave that out.
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Another thing
that Christian families
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that are living in the
last days they gonna want to be
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real sensitive of
as this matter having
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to do with debt.
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Because what the
temptations and what the
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pressures of culture,
you see the culture is trying
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I can't eat supper.
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It wants to get us as we
say in Spanish compromise.
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It wants to get us so
involved like a spider web.
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Well, I think she has
experienced some of that.
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Yes, I have. Absolutely.
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The problems of debt.
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Oh, yeah the
wreckage of the past
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and coming to Christ and having
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this baggage
that hangs with you...
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Well eating you up
is what I'm saying.
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Yeah, it tends to, it can really
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cause you to loose focus.
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And of course, and
of course in this sense
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we are saying that
the debt is the way
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that the devil gets hooks in us.
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Because once we
don't, we're not in charge
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of our own lives
anymore, then we're pretty well
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at the mercy of the
culture, of the environment.
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And then
instead of being able to
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order our own affairs,
we're pretty well marching to,
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poor choice,
yeah of another drama.
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In this program,
we want to talk about
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another component of
which we Christian families
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must be acutely
aware in the last days
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and we entitled the program
Familiarity Breeds Contempt.
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And Kathy I feel in my
heart that this civilization
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is intent on making
everything the same.
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In other words...
All around the world
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you said civilization,
you don't mean just the state.
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When I say civilization,
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I'm obviously
talking about our culture.
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Now, I don't know what
it's like in, you know,
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in other places.
But I know, but I...
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and I would see
probably our culture
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would be the worst for it
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because we're
talking about respect,
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we're talking about hierarchies.
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You know, I have here,
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you know, you gonna think,
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look at that, look
at that lot of money.
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Look at that money.
Look at that lot of money.
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I have here... I'm glad
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I'm sitting so close
to you. But I don't think,
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you know, if you check this in.
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Just information
count out already.
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This is from another
country and its 172,000
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whatever they are called.
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And I don't know that you
can get a nickel for this.
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And see some times we
think in cases of money
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the more money you have,
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you know, the richer you are.
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But that depends on
what you are trying to buy.
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I can remember in my
lifetime Kathy when well...
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I think my dad's first
house that we owned as a family
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I think he paid $10,000 for it.
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I can remember when
houses were at 15,000.
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Ten to 15,000. Now
you can hardly buy a car
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Karen for that. Can
you imagine a house.
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Not even, not even a
small economy car brand new.
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Yeah, it's incredible.
Most of them we can't.
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I guess the point
is that I want to make
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is that if car is,
lets say it's a same car
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and you keep having to spend
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more and more money to buy it.
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That means then
that money is becoming
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worth less and less. Of course.
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We call that
inflation. Inflation.
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I remember do I look like
I've been millionaire when we...
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Well. Now, you
aren't supposed to answer.
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Okay, this is one
of those no answers.
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When we move to South America,
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Karen that the
salary the month before
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I got there was 4,000 of their
units there were call escudos.
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So my first pay
that was 8,000 escudos
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and when I left five
years later the equivalent
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that I would be getting
paid monthly was 15 million.
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But you see it really in
other words I still couldn't buy
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any more bread with
15 million. With it.
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Because everything
was being kind dumb down
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to were where the money
was worth nothing anymore.
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Right, okay. I can
remember when inflation
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got to be 100 percent a month.
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I remember one
year the first year
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we were there in that
country inflation was...
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100 percent a month?
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100 percent it was
1200, 1200 percent.
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I think it went worse than that
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when I was out of
country in other country.
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In other country. Yes,
more than 100 percent a month.
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Can it be a 100 percent a month?
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Can it be more than
100 percent a month?
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It can be worse
than that Like 2000.
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It can be worse
than that. What you know,
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they can call wheel bear
money where it gets so bad.
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In other words, I
think the point is that
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we need to be aware
that in the last days
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things are used to be valuable,
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can loose value
and we have to be aware
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and that we must not
Karen let the culture determine
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what our values are.
Because there has got to be
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some things that
are always valuable to.
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We're not just
talking about money.
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We're not even talking about it,
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that was just,
that was just an excuse.
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I know, I know
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I've asked Karen to
get the Bible there Karen
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and read a text of scripture.
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Let's see which one is it,
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its Isaiah 5:20. Isaiah 5:20.
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Read that for
us. Isaiah 5:20 reads
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"Woe unto them
that call evil good,
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and good evil: that
put darkness for light,
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and light for darkness;
that put bitter for sweet,
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and sweet for bitter!
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I guess what we're
saying Kathy is that
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in the last days the Christian
family has got to be aware
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of the fact that
things are gonna be dumb down
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to the same level where
good will be called evil,
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evil will be called good.
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The sacred and the profane
are all blended together.
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Now, you got thought.
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Oh it reminds me of as
a teenager in high school
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or even now they
are classes of kids
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that I remember
saying oh that's bad.
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And my mother what do you mean?
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Oh mom that means good, oh
that's bad that means good.
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Okay, this is,
okay, we could use that.
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Now we'll do that
in another program
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because I think
in another program
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we're gonna talk
about this, you know,
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the way in the last days the
languages have change around.
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But what you are saying
is that like from the text
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we're beginning to
call bad good, good bad...
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Just literally. Literally.
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Everything is the
same, and this first of all
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has impacted the
way we relate to God.
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Because I really
believe and I don't know
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how you ladies feel about it.
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I think life looses meaning
if it doesn't have hierarchy.
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In other words if
there is something above me.
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If every thing is
like this, you know,
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as I may have said earlier
when a $100 bill and a penny
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are all worth the same then
nothing is worth anything...
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Okay, now you trying,
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I mean it sounds as if you
are trying to topple something
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that someone has been trying
to setup for many years now
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making everybody
and everything the same.
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Well, I think first of all...
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Because when you
talk about hierarchy,
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then we're talking
about even in the families,
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parents have lost that position.
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And so therefore
we have to be the same
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at same level of our children.
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But this isn't
coming from the Lord.
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I say it's not
coming from the Lord
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to be able to do that.
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But our society
has tried to do this.
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And you are talking
about loosing hierarchy
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or rather we need to have it.
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We need to have
hierarchy and I think
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for life to be
meaningful and I think
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let's discuss this
late in the program.
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Let's discuss how we're gonna
relate to family hierarchy.
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But first of all
let's discuss whose God,
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because God
ultimately in the hierarchy
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is got to be supreme.
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But there is even a
trend out there Karen,
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I don't know if you have
ever heard of that expression
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where they talked about
that God is the man upstairs...
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Did you heard that.
Oh, yes yeah I've heard it.
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The man upstairs,
the big man you know...
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Yeah. And.
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That's a certain
culture within our culture
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that talks like lots of time.
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But now I'm gonna, you know,
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I have to apologies
to our viewers because
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please don't misunderstand
what I'm about to say next.
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Because I don't mean
if you misunderstand me
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it's not what I meant.
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My kind of Kathy how
was that. I don't know.
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Anyway these days we
are putting huge emphasis
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on the fact that
God is our friend,
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Jesus is our friend. And He is.
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And He is the best
friend we've ever had.
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We tend to
then... However He is...
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I've heard He is not
our buddy gang banger
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who can relate to us
with the hat on backwards,
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you know, who lots
of people want to try
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to receive innocent
children in the gang bangers,
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and the drug
addicts, and the prostitutes.
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My saying but He understands
He is right were you are
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and He is right here
next to you and He is not.
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We're putting Him
on the same level.
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Yes that's it, gives
us nothing to look up to.
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I heard what the
one bless our hearts,
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a movie star was to
give a heart to the Lord
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and she said man
Jesus is a cool guy.
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You know, again
we'll talk about this
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in other program about
the way we use the language.
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Okay, sorry.
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That you know, I
really feel and maybe
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Karen I can understand it better
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when I think of my own dad.
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My dad is my friend, but
he is more than the friend.
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Absolutely! He is my dad.
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So just as, you know,
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you see because really
friends are equals, aren't we?
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And when we talk
about friendship,
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are we talking about equals.
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I mean this is the way I see it.
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All right, if that's
all you are talking about.
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When person has friend
we're not talking about
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this kind of friendship.
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Real friendship is
kind of like this, isn't it?
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And so if I'm gonna
get the idea in my head
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that God is only my
friend then guess what?
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Okay, but there
was the key word,
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He is only my friend.
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He is got to be
more than a friend.
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More than friend.
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Let me tell you little story
I made up about Bill Gates.
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Have you heard
of Bill Gates? Yes.
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Bill Gates is really rich.
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In fact they say he is
the richest man in the world.
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I understand Bill
Gates has two children.
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I think the eldest is a girl,
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and so I kind of made the story,
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but I didn't ask
Bill Gates, you know,
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I just made this
up about Bill Gates.
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Okay, okay.
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So, this way I understand him.
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Yeah, okay.
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When Bill Gates takes
his little girl to the office
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that little girl
is gonna inherit.
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In other words this girl is
gonna be rich doing nothing.
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She is gonna inherit because
she is the daughter of Bill.
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Now when she walks in
there, she has no authority
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though she could...her
daddy owns the place. Right.
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She can't go to Vice
President tell him what to do.
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And so Bill has people
who worked for him Karen,
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who the Bible would
call who are his servants,
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well paid how be it. Right.
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These servants do
business and they can move
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millions of dollars around
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but there not
gonna inherit anything,
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they are servants.
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Now the little girl she
is gonna inherit everything,
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but she can't do business.
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The servants can move big
money around the employees...
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And even make
decisions, big decisions.
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Big decisions but they are
not gonna inherit anything.
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Then in my
imagination I made the story up,
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Bill must play
golf maybe he does it.
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So Bill is out on the golf cart
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with a buddy with a friend.
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And so he says to
his buddy, you know,
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well John I'm thinking
about taking over the world.
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That's what they
say he is trying to do.
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I'm thinking of
buying some businesses,
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what do you think?
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And so his buddy
will say, you know,
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I think that's a good
idea, that's a bad idea.
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Now his way I look at,
who does Bill have in is life?
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He has children, he
has servants, employees.
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Yes. And he has friends.
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Now his child is gonna
inherit everything. Yes.
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His servants serve him and
then the friend with whom he
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convince isn't
gonna get anything,
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but a golf game,
maybe free golf game. Okay.
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And so you see
the Bible teaches that
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we have these three
relationships with God.
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We're His sons and daughters,
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we're His servants.
Paul says ever so many times.
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How happy he was to
be a servant of God.
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And then Jesus
adds a relationship.
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My Friend! He says no longer
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do I call you
servants, I call you friends.
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Now if someone would ask
me which would you rather be,
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a Bill Gate's son, his
employee or his friend.
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I will go for the
son. Son every time.
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And then if I'm
gonna left with the two,
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I think I will be one
of his Vice Presidents,
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you know, and then it
will be great to be his friend.
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And that's the way
I think this results.
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So becoming a friend
certainly doesn't negate
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that you are
also in the position
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of a servant or a child.
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That's the way I see in
our relationship with God.
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In other words
when we suddenly talk
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about Jesus as our friend.
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This doesn't
knock out that we're
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sons and daughters of God.
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It doesn't diminish it
or make it less important.
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It doesn't diminish
or make it less important
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that we're His servants.
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So, I think we can talk
about God as our friend.
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Jesus is our best friend
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without breaking the hierarchy.
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And sometimes I
say Karen, you know,
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be careful when
you talk about Jesus
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just being your friend,
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you don't worship your friends.
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Right. You don't
worship your friend.
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Not usually.
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That's what
happening to so many kids.
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People are...
they are forgetting,
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they are relating to
them and I've met many kids
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who are relating to
Jesus as their friend,
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but they are forgetting
that He is also a Father
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and they need
to obey Him. Right.
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You don't obey your friend.
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That's good that was
good. Was profound God.
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Don't you. You
don't obey your friends,
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it's not, that's true.
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She hit it right on it,
you don't worship your friend.
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Unless they are
more than a friend.
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They are more
than... they got authority.
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Let's go find him.
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You girls are just coming around
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with all of these
deep theological thing.
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All right, you relate it.
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And so the point
is in the last days
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the devil is gonna try
to deceive us by blurring
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the difference between
the sacred and the profane
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by breaking hierarchy.
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Now that we've, you know,
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I think we kind of
understand amongst ourselves
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and I hope that our
viewers have understood
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what we're trying to say
in our relationship with God.
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Then this brings up how we
gonna relate to each other.
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And wasn't you
that was telling me
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or was it you
Karen that there is...
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that there are people
their children who want to call
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their parents by the first name.
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I was talking
about it while ago.
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Years ago remember
there was a program
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on television
called Eddie's Father.
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Do you remember that?
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It was a big thing I
don't know if you remember it.
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That was the big thing that time
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that he is my best friend,
and but he was his father.
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But he didn't relate
to him as much as a father
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as he did with friend.
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And this was little
five or six year old
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that called his
father. You know,
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this was Eddie's
Father who was his friend
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but the point
was, is that he was
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more a friend than a
father. Than a father.
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Right, and to call a
father by his first name,
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so it renounced, I
mean it just kind of
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removed the fact that
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he was authoritative
figure in their life.
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I can relate to that.
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Ten years ago I
left high school.
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I was behind several credits
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and I went to an
alternative school.
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And I can
remember in high school,
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in a state high
school you called everyone
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Mrs. the teachers and Mr.
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And when we went to
the alternative school
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you called every
teacher by their first name
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and I can remember it
distinctly like it was
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yesterday they were
not as authoritarian
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as they needed
to be as teachers.
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Authoritative here.
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Authoritative and I
lost a lot of respect
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or the necessary respect
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that you have
for a teacher figure.
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It just happens.
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They were just
friends, they were just...
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I'm not going to, you
know, confess I'm not see
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I don't know want tell
the whole world that I'm 61.
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Well, you don't.
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Oh, it might have slipped out.
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But, anyway do you
know I have uncles,
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uncles in their 80s obviously?
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Yes, you should.
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I still call them Uncle John
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because that's
the way we learned it.
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See this was uncle and aunt
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and call our
parents by their first name,
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this would be ridicules.
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In fact, I remember
when they got in that column,
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you are calling
your dad the old man.
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Yes. The old man, the old lady.
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Very disrespectful. Yes.
00:20:01.70\00:20:03.89
So, I think that in
the last days that if life
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is going to be meaningful
if it's going to be valuable.
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Then we need to.
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We need to maintain the
hierarchy of relationships.
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Yes. I don't want to confess,
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you know, too much here
00:20:17.12\00:20:18.27
but I had to go to
court for a traffic offense
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by the way he was
very kind to me. Good.
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I had, I didn't stop
into the intersection
00:20:23.62\00:20:26.05
as soon I should
have and he was very,
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he was very forgiving.
That mean you ran at him.
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No, no I, no because
even the policeman said that
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I stopped but I
stopped past the line.
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No he didn't say I didn't stop,
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I didn't stop far enough back.
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Anyway they
were very nice to me,
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but I went into traffic court,
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I had been into, you
know, in that situation.
00:20:42.16\00:20:44.29
I'm sure Karen
that the judge's name
00:20:44.30\00:20:46.90
might have been Robert,
Todd or Kenneth or something.
00:20:46.91\00:20:50.09
But when you get
in that traffic court
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you don't say hey
Ken, hey Kenny hey man.
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He sits down everybody rise...
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Oh! Listen everybody
rise and he is your honor
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and but there something
real important. About that.
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To maintain society you have
to have a built-in hierarchy.
00:21:06.03\00:21:10.61
And if you don't what
do you called you are in.
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Contempt. A contempt of court.
00:21:14.17\00:21:16.35
See I didn't know when
she ask so its hard questions
00:21:16.36\00:21:18.42
Karen I don't know
whether I'm gonna come up with
00:21:18.43\00:21:20.14
the right answer or not.
00:21:20.15\00:21:21.12
But, you know, this
brings up something else.
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You know, lets talk for a minute
00:21:23.13\00:21:25.83
and not so much about
the hierarchy we respect,
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I think we've establish that.
00:21:27.79\00:21:29.46
But you know there
is question because
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the program is
Familiarity Breeds Contempt.
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You see, I'm wondering
00:21:34.49\00:21:36.62
that even among
friends if it's possible to be
00:21:36.63\00:21:40.92
too familiar with each other
00:21:40.93\00:21:41.93
and I don't
mean inappropriately.
00:21:41.94\00:21:45.21
I'm not talking about
that kind familiarity.
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Is it possible that I could
know so much about somebody
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that I don't
respect them like I should?
00:21:51.46\00:21:54.15
I was asking, well, I
was talking about that up,
00:21:54.16\00:21:57.88
when we were
discussing it earlier.
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Is what do you mean by this
Familiarity Breeds Contempt,
00:22:00.40\00:22:05.56
and we were discussing it.
00:22:05.57\00:22:06.69
Is it that I can
know so much about someone
00:22:07.71\00:22:11.44
that I can no
longer tolerate them
00:22:11.45\00:22:14.70
or I have contempt for them?
00:22:14.71\00:22:17.01
I don't think we
mean contempt like.
00:22:17.02\00:22:19.25
Again let use the
word respect. Okay.
00:22:20.81\00:22:22.64
In other words,
and I'm gonna use
00:22:22.65\00:22:24.81
a very personal illustration.
00:22:24.82\00:22:25.99
My wife and I've lived
together these many years,
00:22:28.90\00:22:32.79
you know, I respect my wife
00:22:32.80\00:22:35.47
by not asking her
everything I could.
00:22:35.48\00:22:38.40
In other words, I
guess the point I'm trying
00:22:38.41\00:22:40.31
to say is I don't think we ought
00:22:40.32\00:22:43.03
to try to get in each
others heads I compare it...
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To the greatest
depth. To the greatest depth.
00:22:46.94\00:22:48.72
I use the
sanctuary as an illustration.
00:22:48.73\00:22:52.16
The sanctuary has a outer court,
00:22:52.17\00:22:54.14
it as the Holy
and the most Holy.
00:22:54.15\00:22:57.62
I think in our
relationship to each other
00:22:57.63\00:23:00.20
that we can go into
the outer court with people
00:23:00.21\00:23:02.54
we don't know or we can go
00:23:02.55\00:23:04.70
into the Holy place
with people we know.
00:23:04.71\00:23:07.59
But I really feel
Kathy that there is a most
00:23:07.60\00:23:11.69
Holy place in every
life that belongs to own...
00:23:11.70\00:23:15.36
The sacred.
00:23:15.37\00:23:16.34
That belongs to
just me and Jesus.
00:23:16.35\00:23:17.67
Kind of sacred ground.
Now I know that this...
00:23:17.68\00:23:20.36
Or just private ground.
00:23:20.37\00:23:21.71
This society is into vulnerable,
00:23:21.72\00:23:24.24
let it all hang up.
00:23:24.25\00:23:25.70
This society will tell anybody
anything about everything.
00:23:25.71\00:23:30.72
But when it's all
done and said do we have
00:23:30.73\00:23:34.15
more respect for
the sacred or less.
00:23:34.16\00:23:37.22
Well, what does society
showing us, it appears to be?
00:23:37.23\00:23:41.03
Is less or nothing sacred.
00:23:41.04\00:23:42.94
Nothing where we're
getting so desensitized.
00:23:42.95\00:23:45.19
There doesn't seem to
be any mystery to anything
00:23:46.73\00:23:49.99
everything is just so open
00:23:50.00\00:23:51.74
and there is
nothing more to know. Yeah.
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And I think that there
is something that enriches
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my relationship with Betty,
and the Betty has a mystery.
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All of our marriage,
there is something special
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about Betty that would
want me to respect her. Yes.
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You know, even as a
pastor I'll say Kathy,
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you know,
people will come to you
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with real burdens
on their hearts. Yes.
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And they wanna
tell you everything.
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And you know, I heard a story...
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That makes me think of yours.
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This is a story that
they said that they were.
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Now this is
story of our ministers,
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it could be on anybody.
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These three ministers
were playing golf one day
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and there were
talking about vices
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and one minister said well
he says I suppose if there is,
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you know, if you have advice,
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I put little
money on the lottery,
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you know, every week you know,
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$2 or $3 but that's all I do...
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Little confession.
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Yeah see, in other words
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they are confessing their vices.
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And so the
second person says well,
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you know, if we're
gonna confess our vices
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I like little cup of
wine, you know, once in while.
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But I don't drink
much more than that.
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But I suppose that's my vice.
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And the third guy said well
if we're gonna talk about vices
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my vice is gospel, I
can't even think of it.
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So I can tell
others to tell their vices.
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And so I really think
there is something to that.
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We don't need to know
everything about everybody.
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There needs to be
that point where somebody.
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In fact I do this with people
somebody starts talking to me
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and I feel if
they are telling to,
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you know, being too vulnerable,
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I don't encourage that.
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Now I don't try to be
rude but I don't want to know
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everything about everybody.
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If you see we can't even
trust ourselves sometime.
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I think this is the
nice thing about Jesus care.
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In other words,
you don't need to tell
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your husband all of the secrets
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that are in your
heart, all your temptations.
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You don't need to
tell you pastor that.
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Because of the down
fall it may cause...
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But tell Jesus
everything you know... Amen.
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The scripture says you
can tell Jesus everything
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and He won't say well
you said that last time,
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why don't you get
your act together or,
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you know, you are just unstable.
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He says He unbraid if
not, He doesn't put you down.
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Because He is not,
and well I was gonna say
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He is not in the
same position we are
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because He is in
higher loftier position,
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while He is our
brother, He is our king.
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And He is our judge.
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And He is our judge,
and He is also our advocate.
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That's true. Amen.
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He is more able to bear our
burdens where even sinful man,
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I can bring all my burdens
to my brother or my husband
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and I might tend to
drag him down with me.
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You see, this is the danger.
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That's exactely right.
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In fact I heard
someone say that if we will,
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we use even human
models or human role models.
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We will easier imitate their
weakness than their strengths.
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We identify more
with the person's weakness
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than we do with
our strength. Right.
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And so that's
the problem we have
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when we begin to
share problems it kind of,
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it doesn't often
times it doesn't move us
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on to higher ground.
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Right, and Christ,
and Christ can bring us up
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to high around
because that's who He is.
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And so, that's why
this scripture says
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cast all your cares on me.
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Now we're to bear
to each others burdens.
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I think we confess
our false to each other.
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But I don't think
we are to be confessing
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our sins to each other.
I really don't think so.
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So this is something I
think we need to be sensitive
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about in the last
days that the devils
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gonna try to
make every thing same.
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Well, you've done good
job of making it showing us
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that devaluing things
and we need not do that.
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We need to keep
Christ in is place.
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We need to keep us
where we're supposed to be
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and remember respect
for those two places.
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Amen. Don't you think?
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You said it well.
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Why don't we have
prayer before we close out?
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And I thank you for joining
us on Thinking About Home.
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Pray with us, while we pray.
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Heavenly Father, we're thankful
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that you are our best
friend, but you are king,
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our judge and you are
creator everything to us.
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Oh Lord give us
higher ideal for you,
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higher respect not only for you,
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but Lord that we
might respect each other.
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That we might bear
each others burdens,
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but then we don't try to
get into to each others heads.
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