Welcome to Thinking About Home.
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I'm Kathy Matthews,
thank you for coming back
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and being with us again.
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We're continuing on
with Pastor Richard O'Fill
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from the Florida Conference
of Seventh-day Adventist.
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And I just want to
welcome you back, again.
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I'm glad to be back. Actually,
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we're just doing a little
co-hosting here, right here.
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You like to took my seat
away from me here recently.
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Well, you know somebody
said, that when you and I
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are together,
we're just kind of click.
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Well, and we
enjoy talking together.
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Yeah, I appreciate so
much doing this programs.
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There's a lot of
energy going on sometimes,
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sometimes it's
little, not as much, but.
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Well, we have to be
able to read each other minds
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which is kind of hard sometime.
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It is, sometimes I
don't where are you going?
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Well, you know
please, when that happens.
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Just stop me and say. I
don't know where you going?
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Say, what is it, I
have to do with that.
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Lot of work aha. Yeah.
It won't hurt your feelings?
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Not at all. Will be offended it.
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Well, what we're
gonna talk about?
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Well, you know, our
series is, as we've said about
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the Christian family
living in the last days.
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And this is one in particular
is the Christian family.
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And how it relates to the
culture, the culture, yeah.
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Well, I think there is an
argument really that goes on.
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I hear, I know that you
and Sarah spoke on program
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about culture, and got in a
little bit of the young view,
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the younger view, are we young?
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Now the younger view
as opposed to some of us
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in our age group is to how
we have to relate to culture.
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And so there's this
little argument going on amongst
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the christen and
in Christendom amongst
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the Christian families
as to how we are to relate?
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And I think that's
what we want to talk about
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in the program today and
that is the Christian family.
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How well it relate to the
culture that surrounds them.
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Yes. So now, do you want
to ask me some question like,
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like what is culture?
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Are you prompting me?
Well, I was wondering,
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when you're gonna get out to it.
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I want you to define it.
Okay, thank you very much,
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I thought you'd never ask. Okay.
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All right, so here I think I
looked it up in the dictionary
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and you know, if
somebody has their computer
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they can look in Saurus.
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And I think...Or if you have
these old things called books,
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you can look in there too,
it's called the web dictionary,
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in most of the time.
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Anyway, what I have written
here in my notes, it's culture,
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"The sum total of ways of
living built up by a group
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of human beings
which is transmitted from
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one generation to another."
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Do you need to read
to that the second time?
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Okay, I better do that, in
other words, in other words,
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this time I walk through
it, I won't run through it,
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I'll run through.
All right, all right.
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Culture, "The sum total of ways
of living built up by a group
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of human beings
which is transmitted from
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one generation to another."
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Okay, ways of
living. Ways of living.
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Okay. See I really feel that
our culture is the way we live.
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You know, you can use
bigger words or smaller words.
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But I think the
culture is the way we.
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Maybe dress, the way we
think, the way we relate
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to one and other...it's
different another cultures maybe
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then the way we relate to
one and other or dress or think.
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Obviously, there
are different cultures.
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But I've written down
here, I said, in a way
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it could be said that
there is family culture,
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community
culture; regional culture,
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national culture
and world culture,
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would you go along with
that? Yes, I would, yes,
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I'd say that they all of
those have their little realm
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of doing things.
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Because see
even in our families,
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a family is the
smallest social unit.
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And a family has its own....
Special way of doing things.
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It's one way of living.
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And so, and so, we could
say that, that my family culture
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is different than
your family culture.
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Yes. And then we have
a community culture that,
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and because...because
I live in a Florida
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and you live out in
the Midwest someplace,
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where the deer
and the antelope play.
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Anyway, and I've also
written down here Kathy.
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I say, culture
affects every aspect
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and you've already said
it, every aspect of our lives,
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the way we think, dress,
interrelate, eat and all of it.
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You know, we were
just talking to someone
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the other day,
and his name is Ariel.
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And he told us about
how young people stay
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with their parents.
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And he was from Argentina,
and stay with their parents,
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until they're married.
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And even if that's 30,
they don't, they don't,
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move out of the home.
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And that's their
culture. That's right.
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And the children expected
and the parents expected,
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there's no war going on.
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You mean, when you get to
be 18 year you are out of here.
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Right, and in this hour, in
our culture, it's been drilled
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into the heads of children
that are youths or now adults
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because you're now 18
supposedly you're adult now.
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That you got to go.
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And I remember him
telling this story about how
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that made his parents
fear is, is they're going
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to do that to us.
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And he was thinking,
are they gonna kick me out
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when they come to America so?
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You know, their culture was
totally different than ours.
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Oh, why don't we talk
about cultures a little bit
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because you and Tom have
lived outside the United States?
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We have. You know, by they
way, let me just say something
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for us Americans, we are
so as in case we are so weird.
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You know, we in United States
people think that everybody
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in the world is for
and accept us, I remember
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when we first landed in Chili.
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And we were with
another mission family,
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and the other
missionary, he said,
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Chili is such a wonderful place
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but there are
so many foreigners.
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He still thought it was
even though he was there.
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Yeah, in another words,
we're never the foreigners,
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we're never the foreigners,
they're always the foreigners.
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That's just in our
mind. But the point is that
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when I get out off my culture,
guess who's the foreigner?
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Somebody else.
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I'm the
foreigner... I'm the foreigner.
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I was thinking that you
were thinking that it was
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somebody else.
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But it's truly me. And
so you and Tom have lived,
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have been in...
Well Tom, yes we have,
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we've lived in Germany before,
we lived three years in Germany.
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And Tom, of course,
has been in Vietnam.
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And we've traveled
to a few other areas,
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and but we lived also in Russia.
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But and there was
an interesting thing,
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I think that happens in Russia.
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What was that story
you were telling me,
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I thought that
was so interesting.
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Well, we lived,
we lived in Russia
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and a very well
meaning Russian man was working
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in the complex
there at the 3ABN branch.
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And I was whistling in my
apartment, and I've had heard
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that it was not the thing to
do, especially for women to do.
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And I whistled or I'll
try to whistle, I kind of,
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around like that
it's not really a whistle.
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And I go around
doing that when I'm working
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or busy and I do it when
I feel good, when I'm happy
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and Tom's mother did
that too and lots of people
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in my family did that.
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Absolutely. And I said,
he came in and said Kathy,
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and he couldn't
speak a lot of English,
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and I spoke very little Russian.
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He said Kathy, no...
And I had heard about this,
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so I said, well, I
do that when I'm happy,
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what do women in
Russia do when they're happy?
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And he said la, la, la,
la, la, la and I got the point
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and I respected what he wanted.
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So, you are suppose to be doing
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la, la, la, la, la, la and not.
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And not.......and
that was a very much a part
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of their culture I think.
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But what was behind
that, did you ever find out?
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Well yes, I did, I
found out that there was
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some superstitions that if
we whistled in the building
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or in the home that we
were whistling the possessions
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away at least that's
the way I understood it.
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And I didn't want to
be a problem for them
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so immediately stopped
for his sake and I respected
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what he wanted
me to do, but it had
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no moral principles behind it.
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No, no but it was very
much a part of the culture.
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It was yes. You
know, look what I got.
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You got something
too. Look what I've got.
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Not another mouse.
Like in our other program.
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This is a big rat, I
think. This looks like
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what's left over rat,
do you know this is a,
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I think they
called it a Jennet cap,
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our first stub, overseas
experience, was in Pakistan.
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By the way, this
little chip out of the side,
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our dog rub, you know,
thought it was it was sit.
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You know. Your
dog got hold of it.
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So, let me hold
it this way. Okay.
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Anyway but this is a Jennet cap.
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And if you got to Pakistan,
and even parts of India,
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you know, you'll
see these kinds of caps.
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And of course, we
don't wear this kind of cap.
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Not in America.
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It is curious that in
different parts of the world,
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we have our different
costumes part of the culture.
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Yes. However, you
know to some extent
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this sort of a American
suit type thing is getting
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to be pretty wide world.
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But if you go to
Pakistan, you know,
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then you'll see
people with these hats.
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Common. Yeah. And of course,
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who hasn't? I thought you had
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knitting needles when
you first brought that.
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Can you eat with
chopsticks? I cannot do it.
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Now look, look
at this, see that.
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I can pick up, I
can pick up one grain,
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I think I can once in awhile.
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But you see how
I'm stabilizing that?
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Yes, I've been shown. It
still doesn't do any work.
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I just don't practice.
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But you know, see
this is part of a culture
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because I can
remember when I was in Japan
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for the first time.
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And we were
sitting around the table
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and this is what we were using.
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I thought they put these
out in my honor, you know,
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like a Chinese restaurant.
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Are you serious? No, I
really didn't and I said,
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you don't know
what these were two.
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Scoop it up,
that's the easy story.
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They don't want it but they
do, that I mean in other words,
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it gets through my,
look at that, when you're
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in that part of, this is it.
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This is the way you do it.
This is what they're doing.
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Right. Now...now
when we lived in Pakistan,
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they had a thing
like a chapatti which is.
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Yes, bread. Yeah, you know it's
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like a tortillas.
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And so they would make, you
know, whatever the vegetable
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or whatever they were gonna eat.
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They break of a
piece of that. Yes.
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And they use that to pick
up, the food, and so you eat,
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you eat the bread
and it's wonderful.
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A chapatti, made
out of all whole wheat,
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it is...delicious. Oh,
it's one of my favorite.
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And then in South India,
now this one, and I could
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because I traveled
Bangladesh, excuse my,
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to say this, this is
not to be disrespectful,
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eat with their fingers.
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In fact, in fact, it so
tactile, can you imagine?
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Want to be to liked
to eat with your fingers?
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I heard them say
digestion begins in the hand.
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Sticking to the mouth.
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In other words oh, I just
feel as its makes me drool,
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Well, I'm just
feeling... In fact, it does,
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it does always
have logical thing.
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It does, but you
know, I've never understood,
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always the left hand was down,
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and they never
bring another hand up.
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And they would
do it all like this.
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And they would get that
food, and believe me, Kathy,
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they'd bring it
up, when it got here,
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the hand was
quicker than the eye.
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If I tried that, slab.
It would drop all over me.
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Right down the front.
I have difficult times
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sometimes with the food.
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But I want to tell you,
not even around the mouth,
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just, just booop, it's gone.
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And it just so neat
and just.... very practice,
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a part of a culture.
Yes. Part of culture.
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And I guess, I've never seen
it, where they might even use
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a leaf to put the food
on, and so...and so here you
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and I are with forks and spoons,
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and the people in
other parts, and you know,
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they're working with
this, parts of the culture.
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Kind of fun to adopt.
But isn't it interesting,
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when we go to another culture,
we identify it, we can identify,
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it's good and it's bad, clearly.
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Can we? Because
it's so different,
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you know what I'm
saying in other words,
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if you go to a
part of the world,
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let's say, were it's a Hindu.
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You can say, well,
that's real Hindu, you know,
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In other words, I think
we become more analytical
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when we get out of
our own environment.
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And I guess what
I'm leading up to.
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Then...then we can really
discern when we're in our own.
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Now, there you go, now
we're on the same way of link,
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that's....that's the point.
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When you're out of your
culture, you can see culture.
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When you're in your
culture, it's up to here on you,
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and you can't tell.
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Can I tell another little story?
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Please do. Sarah and I were,
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well, actually we
had gone, to a funeral.
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And she did not want to go.
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And she learned a
lesson when she went
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and this was the thing.
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Because this
was a family member,
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and she knew what the atmosphere
would be like around it.
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She knew she was
going to face, some things
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that she didn't want to face.
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Right. And she
said, I realized something
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when I went out that trip,
I realized, I'm more tolerant
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with other
cultures than I am my own.
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Now, she wants to be
a missionary at heart.
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And so that totally something,
that means that you are really
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more absorbed in
your own and you really
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more unwilling to change,
if you going to another one,
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but not in your own.
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You're not tolerant in your
own or do you discerned as well,
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when you're in your own.
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And we kind to get
set it in our ways,
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I remember when I was
in Bangladesh one time.
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And with all due
respects, you know,
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I've told you how my wife
likes rice and I like potatoes.
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I think I've done that with you.
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Yes, you have. And, and anyway,
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they're definitely
into rice and I mean rice,
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it really rice. Lots
of rice, lots of rice.
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I'm a potato guy, you see.
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And I never realized
Kathy, how the way we eat
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gets in our heads?
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In other words, I like
rice, but not, you know,
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three meals a day, you know,
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seven days a week
for rest of my life.
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But there are people
who are so much into rice,
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that if they
miss one day a rice,
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you starting to get.....
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I don't say that
disrespectfully. Right.
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I mean, we don't
know, how much our diets,
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our cultural diet is
a part of who we are.
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You just get out to where you
can't find Mamma's cooking ones.
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Oh, yes. And you could say,
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in other words its fun to go to
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a Chinese
restaurant once in awhile.
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But don't want it everyday.
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Because we tend to
gravitate towards the food
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the Mamma cooked.
That's right. Isn't that truth?
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Yes. And so, I think
the point we're trying
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to make is that, is
that, that we recognize
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that Christians are
not the same culture.
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That if we're
Christian in India,
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you're Christian in Europe,
you're Christian in America,
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you're Christian
in South America.
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Then there is something
about Christians everywhere,
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that it should be the same.
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Well, that's where,
I think we want to go.
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Not just doctrine. Well, see.
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Because culture
is not just doctrine,
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we're not talking about....
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Culture is about the
way we live. Right,okay.
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You see there are those who say.
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And again I don't
want to get, you know,
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into something
that I can't get out of.
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There are those who say that,
that when the America sent out
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missionaries to
other cultures. Right.
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That really, we should
have taken the gospel out there,
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and not our culture.
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Yeah. Now, you
know, and they say.
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But you see, I guess the
question that I have is that,
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is it always
possible, to separate the gospel
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from the culture.
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In other words, in this
country with the culture
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that's up to here on us.
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Can we just say well.
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Well, we live in a
Christian culture these days,
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I don't think we live in
a Christian culture anymore.
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Now it's got more
Christian components.
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But our culture, I
think had a more Christian
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components than it does
now, it's being infiltrated,
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and we're saying,
well, nothing is changed,
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everything is cool.
Yes, yes and so...so
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we're really not
talking about other cultures.
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We're talking about
being able to live in our own,
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and see what, deceptions
there maybe in our own culture.
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Well, ultimately...ultimately
we want to go there,
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but I think the question that
I want to ask, is that, is that,
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those who say, go to another
country, preach the gospel
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but don't take your culture.
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In other words, if the
culture is the way I live,
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then how can I preach the gospel
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without impacting the culture?
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You see, when the
early church began to preach
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in Roman culture.
The culture should change
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something about the way I live.
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It changes the way you
live, the Christian message
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when it was preached in the
early church, sooner or later,
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it overthrew the Roman culture.
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Now it's true. So whether we go
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somewhere else and
preach the gospel or not,
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the gospel here should
also change the way we live.
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Well, I feel that it should,
see because...because...because
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I think that...that the
Christian message in our homes.
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You see, in our homes, I think
we're confronting with this,
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what impact will we as
parents and grandparents
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allow the culture
that surrounds us to have?
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What would be the
criteria where we could say,
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this is about
chopsticks, or what would be
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the criteria that says,
really we can't do that?
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Okay, think if you're
a Christian discernment.
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What you've got a
have Christian discernment
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to be able to break
it out. But you see,
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what do you do, when
some people say well.
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Well, really the
culture is not the gospel.
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I guess that's
where I'm coming from,
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is it valid to say
that, that...that the gospel,
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is separate from the culture?
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Is it valid to say that?
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Yeah, I say it's not.
I say, I don't know how,
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I can be implementing the gospel
or allowing the Holy Spirit
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to implement the
gospel in my life without
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it affecting the way I live.
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And the way I
live is, is a culture.
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Therefore, the question
we have to ask ourselves
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in whatever country, people
are watching this program,
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is...is at what point
do I allow for culture
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that surrounds me?
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And what point do I reject it?
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Right. Do you have
any feeling about that?
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Well. See we're
confronted with this,
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see I think, that the culture,
if we allow the culture as is,
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to come in around
us, it will do a sin.
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And what about this, is
it in John 17....go ahead.
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You see, there's things, I
could say, but I don't want
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to spoil the program,
there's...there's areas
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that I would like to
get more specific Dick
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And...But we're
gonna talk for that.
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It's hard for
me to stay general.
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You see, I've had it,
I've had it, tell Kathy
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because we're gonna
do a series of programs,
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as we've got it talk
about certain principles.
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Yes. And then we're
gonna get very specific
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before this series is over.
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I know, and it's
difficult for me to stay here.
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You just, just chopped
at a bit you're saying,
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I want to talk about
this or I want to talk about.
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Yeah. But in our first
program in this, in this series,
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the point that we
were trying to make is,
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in the last days
there will be deceptions.
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Yes. And I hope that
we said in that program,
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Jesus said, there
would be look out for that,
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there gonna be deceptions
that can get into your mind
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and cause you to
give up your salvation.
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Yes. In this program,
what we're trying to say,
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is we're surrounded by culture.
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What are we gonna do about it?
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Are we just gonna let it
come in the doors and windows,
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and take us
over, we're gonna say,
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well, the gospel
is one thing and.
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And culture
really doesn't matter.
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Really culture doesn't matter,
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or we're gonna
think to ourselves,
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could the devil
deceive us through the culture
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in which we live?
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Because we could say,
well, here in America,
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or here in Europe, or
here in South America,
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this is the way we do it.
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You know, a young man.
And expect others to say
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that it is it,
okay, and now you should
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not expect anything of me.
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If I stick with all
of this, and not let
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Christianity change anything.
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This young man was
from Jamaica by the way,
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and he said one day, he
was listening to rage music,
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and it kind of
made him nostalgic,
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to make him think
about home and he said,
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he told me, he
said, that's my music.
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And he said, you
know, Pastor O'Fill,
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it occurred to me
that's not my music.
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I'm from another culture,
now, I'm a heavenly culture.
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Right. And see, what
he was beginning to do?
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We should need
to think that way.
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He's beginning to
break himself out,
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of course, he's from Jamaica.
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Jamaica has his own
culture but he's beginning
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to differentiate.
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And saying well,
this part of my culture
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in Jamaica is acceptable.
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But I don't think
rage in his case, at least,
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was figured into his
new cultural objectives.
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His heavenly culture,
or his new citizenship,
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maybe, into heaven.
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Aren't we preparing
to go to a new culture?
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In John 17: Let
me see where is the,
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you know, the payer of Jesus.
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And I think we, that
we're aware of what is he says.
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He says, I pray, Jesus
is praying to his Father.
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"I pray not that thou
shouldest take them out
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of the world, but that
thou shouldest keep them
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from the evil."
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And so Kathy, you
know, this is saying to me,
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we live in a culture,
all of us, wherever part,
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whatever part of
the world we are,
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the culture surrounds us.
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The culture has its chopsticks
which were acceptable.
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It has its caps
which were acceptable.
00:21:03.18\00:21:06.21
Yes. But it has other
parts that unacceptable.
00:21:06.22\00:21:09.06
Because these are not
consistent with the new culture,
00:21:09.07\00:21:13.80
which is the culture of heaven.
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Right, now why are you
so, why are we concerned
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about this in the first place?
00:21:17.22\00:21:18.50
Because our Christian
families are being absorbed
00:21:18.51\00:21:22.60
is that not so?
00:21:22.61\00:21:23.84
I think that...that...that
if we're not careful.
00:21:23.85\00:21:27.00
Now it can happen,
it can happen wherever
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we are at because I can go,
as we said early in the program.
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I can go to another
culture, and tell the difference
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because I'm on the alert.
I can see what's different.
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Right. And get
in my own culture.
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And suddenly I can't tell
anymore because it's in me.
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Yeah. And so I think the point
that that we want to consider,
00:21:41.76\00:21:47.41
is that the Christian
family in the last days is going
00:21:47.42\00:21:51.59
to have to discerned,
which parts of its culture
00:21:51.60\00:21:54.63
are acceptable and which
parts its are unacceptable.
00:21:54.64\00:21:58.02
So we have to guard the senses,
00:21:58.03\00:21:59.25
we're going to
have to guard the eyes,
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the ears, and sharpen
it to. The way we live it.
00:22:01.37\00:22:05.71
If our culture
is the way we live,
00:22:05.72\00:22:07.17
then we've got to
decide, can I Carte Blanche?
00:22:07.18\00:22:11.73
Lives the way
everybody else is living.
00:22:11.74\00:22:13.93
Just because it's
whoever happen to be.
00:22:13.94\00:22:16.27
Or does the Christian
family in a way begin to kind
00:22:16.28\00:22:20.40
of break out of
it's, of it's culture.
00:22:20.41\00:22:24.41
Right. So we need to
give glory to God in the way
00:22:24.42\00:22:27.05
we're living is. Well,
you know, some people think
00:22:27.06\00:22:31.53
that there are certain
things that don't matter.
00:22:31.54\00:22:33.63
You know, we
use the word amoral.
00:22:33.64\00:22:36.27
Now, I don't want
to get into that but.
00:22:36.28\00:22:40.12
Define amoral? Well,
What's without any moral way.
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It's not the saying an immoral.
00:22:44.48\00:22:46.00
In other words,
it's not immoral,
00:22:46.01\00:22:47.16
it's without implication. Right.
But I guess that the thing
00:22:47.17\00:22:52.04
in my mind is, you know,
what about the text that says
00:22:52.05\00:22:55.89
is it in 1st Corinthians?
Whether we eat or drink,
00:22:55.90\00:22:58.11
or whatever we do. We
do all to the glory of God.
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So that means then that
if we should be doing all
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to the glory of God, if
you reverse that there must be
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something you can do
that's not to the glory of God
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or inglorious. And so could,
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we close go so far as to say.
That there's really nothing that
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we do in our lives,
that He's not interested in.
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Right. There's even another
text somewhere that says,
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that He's going to bring
every work into judgment.
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Yes. Everyone, which means....
And give reward according
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to our works.
According to....and our work,
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it must be the way we live.
Yes. So if He's going to hold us
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accountable for
everything we do.
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Then this, this must
mean that there's something
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that's not neutral.
Right. In other words,
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I think probably chopsticks
give to the glory of God,
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give to the glory of God.
Okay. If you can say that.
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Yes. Because they
are acceptable to Him.
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Yes. But there are
other things in the culture,
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that are not to His glory. Yeah.
And I guess that the challenge
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we have as Christian
families in whatever culture,
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is to discern, what
about my culture is me,
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it's my cap, it's the way
I dress, it's the way I eat,
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I eat with my fingers. But
that's not the glory of God,
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but then there's something.
Well, if we'll make it to
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the glory of God,
because you mention one,
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with the way why we dress,
that it can just be easily be
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not to the glory of God.
Well, and see, I think we want
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to do in some of
the other programs.
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Yeah. We want to begin
this, to specifically say that,
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as we live, how well
the Christian relate in,
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in some of
these specific things.
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But I think that
there must be a test.
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Should we say an
objective test, whether
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you and I in
Russia, or in Pakistan,
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where I used to live.
Which will all be in harmony on.
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Well, which would be kind
of a, which brings us into
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a new culture.
And...and so I've sort to
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myself, that if you
happen to be let's say,
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you're an in the
Orient, and you're the Christian
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in the Orient. You know,
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you're in the
chopsticks. Is everything about
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the Oriental
culture to the glory of God?
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No, but then, how will
I know Ten Commandments?
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See, I think
that in every culture
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the Ten
Commandments are the rule.
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I think the sermon on the
Mount, it is an another thing.
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I think if you
live in South America,
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you should say well,
how much of my culture
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should I observe?
Check Ten Commandments.
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Yes, okay. Check the
sermon on the Mount. Right.
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And then finally what
about the Philippians 4:8?
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Yes. And Finally
Brethren. The final screen.
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Yes. Finally Brethren
what so ever things true,
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what so ever things are honest,
what so ever things are just.
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And what so
ever things are pure,
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and what so ever things
are lovely and good report.
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If there be any
virtue, if there any praise.
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Think on these
things. Don't you think so?
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And thinking is what so
gonna produce our culture.
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It produces the way we live,
so I think that...that really,
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we're a part of
cultures, we are in the culture
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but Jesus said, don't
take them out of the world now,
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don't take them
out of their culture.
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But keep them from the
evil that is the culture.
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And obviously if He has
said, that there is something
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there that we cannot
put hike up because He said
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that there was something there.
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It's...it's the evil part,
and again I think that what
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we are saying is, how do we
know what's evil in the culture?
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Ten Commandments. Right.
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Sermon on the Mount
and Philippians 4:8.
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Yeah, right. Are you
going along with the onward?
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I am, and you know, we
used to teach our children
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that as a little
song, Philippians 4:8.
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Did you really?
Yeah, when we do,
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I don't know
with you, did you not?
00:26:36.04\00:26:37.14
No I haven't
heard that little song.
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Yes, what so
ever things are true,
00:26:38.45\00:26:40.90
what so ever things are
honest. You ever heard that?
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No, not that sweet.
What so ever things are just.
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Anyway goes on,
I am not a singer,
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but that was for the purpose of
helping them to remember that,
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these were the things
that you could test other.
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Other cultures.
And other things by.
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So...so I think that when we
preach the Gospel all the world,
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we don't need to
get everybody eating
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with knife and forks. No, no.
00:27:04.70\00:27:06.11
We definitely need to
get the Ten Commandments,
00:27:06.12\00:27:08.74
the sermon on the
Mount and Philippians 4:8:
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as being the test.
And we can judge by those.
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And that we'll
impact the way with it,
00:27:12.87\00:27:14.62
it's going to
impact the culture.
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Right, and we need
to do that. I think so.
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Well, it's all re-over
again. Okay. More is coming up.
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Yes, we gonna
continue. Okay, all right,
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Dick, want to pray?
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Yes, Heavenly
Father, we are thankful for
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the prayer of
Jesus, which is said Lord
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don't take them out
now. He's talking to His son,
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don't take them out now
but keep it from the evil.
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Lord, we as families,
we pray in these last days
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that shall open our eyes
to keep us from the evil.
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