Welcome to Thinking About Home,
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I am Kathy Matthews
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and I'm glad that
you're with us again.
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We've been doing some changes
on the program here recently,
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and I was the guest, and now
I am back in my old spot again.
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But we do have Richard O'Ffill
from the Florida Conference
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of Seventh-day Adventist,
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Pastor O'Ffill,
you're with us again.
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And our guess today is
Ariel Roldan is that correct?
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You said it good.
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Thank you. Good, good
rolling the R right there.
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Oh, good, I have. But I
can do it better, Roldan.
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Five years in Chino
would do that to you.
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Well, I don't.
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Well, I haven't been
there and I don't know Spanish.
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You did very good
Kathy. Thank you very much.
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You know that's the nice thing
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about the
Spanish language, Kathy,
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is that they're
so complimentary.
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I mean, if you pronounce
that with a Texas accent,
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Ariel will say,
it's wonderful Kathy.
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No, no, he do it all of
us, no they it all of us.
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But it encourages
us. Kathy, you did fine.
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Thank you, but
he's being genuine
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and real this time, aren't you?
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Yes, I am.
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You know I like your shirt,
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your mother sent
you that, didn't she?
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Yes, I am blessed
with a good momma,
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she sends me quite a bit stuff,
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but she found out
that I was gonna be coming
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to this show, so
she sent me something
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a little bit
out the ordinary so.
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Oh, mother, you
did a beautiful job,
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I like the shirt. I
like it too. It looks pretty.
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So, we wanna compliment you.
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It's wrinkle free,
so it's a design for.
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For a single fellow.
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Yes, this is wrinkle
free quite a long time too.
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I meet Ariel at Black Hills
Mission College of Evangelism,
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and I was really
impressed with his sincerity
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and his surrender to the Lord,
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and I asked him
and two of his buddies
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to come to the program,
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and they were not able to make
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and I'm really sorry about that.
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Eddy and Doran
weren't able to come,
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but Ariel made it
and probably wasn't easy
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on the flight, was it?
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It was
interesting, it was a blessing
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because I had
already been exposed
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to this type of thing
traveling abroad overseas,
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this is standard,
when you go overseas.
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They always check
your language make sure
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there is nothing being
taking into the country.
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But, when I go to the airport,
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it was very
thorough they checked
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even inside my
shoes and everything,
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so I'm glad I had
clean underwear, mom.
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I remember old jokes
about that kind of thing,
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but I won't go there.
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Ariel, I've invited you,
because I wanted you to share
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something about the
changes in your life
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as the Lord came into your life.
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Your background and because
this is thinking about home,
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I want you to talk
about how your home life was?
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Where the change for
Jesus took place and so on?
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Can you tell me where you born?
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Yes, I was born in
Tucumán, Argentina,
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I will not ask you to say that.
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Please, don't.
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It's the Northern
part of Argentina,
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it's a beautiful
town close to Bolivia.
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And I grew up into
home of a Colporteur
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or a literature
evangelist, so. Your father was?
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Yes, my father was a Colporteur,
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he was originally a policeman
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and my mom was an
accountant for a car dealership.
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Growing up was,
we always have good
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memories growing up home.
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So, there were some shifts
that took place growing up
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because of changing living
quarters where we were living,
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because we came from
South America all the way
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to the United States
when I was 11 years old,
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that created a
shift. But growing up home,
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my mom side of
family was all Catholic
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and my dad side
was all Pentecostal.
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So from very little I was aware
that Seventh-day Adventists
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were not the
norm, you could say.
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My cousins would come over
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and they always
asked this question so,
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from very little
we had this ability
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or this opportunity
rather to share our differences
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both with our Catholic cousins
and our Pentecostal cousins.
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And actually I get
along better with my,
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I enjoyed, my favorite cousins
were the Catholic cousins,
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because there were
allowed to do more stuff.
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So, you grew up
Seventh-day Adventist,
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they were allowed. Yeah.
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So, you grew up
Seventh-day Adventist, right?
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Yes. Okay, all right, well.
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I'm just being honest.
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Right, well, I
can understand that,
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of course, that comes from a
youth's heart, no, doesn't it?
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Yes. It does.
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And it is interesting, Kathy,
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when he says you
know when you think back
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you have good
memories he has good memories,
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not everybody has good memories.
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You know I thought of
that when he said that,
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I thought, I was
gonna say the same thing,
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not everybody does
have good memories,
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but I am glad that you do.
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Thank God. The
good memories come
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when you involve the
Lord, even the bad ones.
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Because you go
through some hardships,
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when we were in
Bolivia, there were some times
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when being a Colporteur
was not lucrative at all,
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because South America...
Bolivia was going through
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some shifts during that time
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and so
economically it was not stable,
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so they were times
that my dad did well.
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But then they were the years
where there was much praying
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and much tear shedding at home
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and those were
also good memories,
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because it got
us closer to Lord.
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Right. You know, when he says
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there were times,
you know he is just using
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these forma words he is saying
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there's times when being
Colporteur was not lucrative,
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I don't know that word ever...
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I think you're right,
because that was one month
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and he's in the States
and it wasn't lucrative then.
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What he's saying is
that there were times
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which we could barely make it.
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Yes. Yes. Yeah. but
in spite of all that,
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I mean those are the times
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where you see the hand of
God closer to your family.
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If you will take it that way.
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See it's not a miracle
when you get a paycheck,
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that's standard
lifestyle you could say.
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Even the bad
guys get a paycheck.
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That's right,
and really big ones.
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When you see
food being delivered
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to you by people you don't know,
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when money comes out at
the last minute, you know...
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I've been there, done that.
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You eat the food
differently, it tastes better.
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Yes. you feel like,
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you know like the
Israelites in the wilderness
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and God's given you
Manna right there in there.
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Amen. So even the bad memories,
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you look back at them,
of course, at that moment
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you're not thinking,
oh, I wanna remember this.
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Yes. But now I am glad I do,
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because all those
little things helped to shape
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where I am today. Yes.
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And of course this
brings up something too, Kathy,
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and that is, that
when we have hard times,
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it's gonna do one
or two things to us.
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It's either gonna
brings us closer to the Lord
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or it's gonna drive us away.
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Yes. But all
things were together
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for good to those
who love the Lord,
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and that's what you're saying,
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because my family loved
the Lord even hard times
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drew us closer to him. Amen.
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Did you cover
all that you wanted
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to on how your family
backgrounds, differences,
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one family off in this
direction and one in this,
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how it effected
your life, did you?
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I think it
solidified me and my brother
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that we were distinct.
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It was awkward at
all for us to stand out,
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to be different
even in our family.
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So, wherever we went, it
was always the four of us.
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I have a younger brother,
he lives in Massachusetts.
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And whenever we
went to new school,
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whether it was Adventist or not,
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we were used already
being different and peculiar,
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not eating certain
things and not participating
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with certain events on
Sabbath and things like that.
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So, growing up in that
type of an environment,
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I think prepared
us to meet the world
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in its reality as a
Seventh-day Adventist
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that you would stand
out like, like a good thumb.
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Like a good thumb,
not like a sore one.
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You know Kathy, I was
thinking our experience in
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because we live just
over the mountains in Chile.
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Did you? And tell me
if I am wrong, Ariel.
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but being a Protestant
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in certain
parts of South America
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is not actually
a bad thing to be,
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it's kind of an upward thing.
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In other words, it's
actually the in thing,
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now I am sure there
is exceptions to this.
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But the Protestantism
is growing leaps and bounds
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in South America.
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Was it like that
though when you were there?
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Argentina and Bolivia,
I've never been to Chile.
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But Argentina and
Bolivia are strong Catholics.
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Okay. And our
friends the Catholics
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have you can say,
predominance over there.
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But me and my brother,
we have a problem learning
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to say The hail Mary's,
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my brother could
actually recite them better,
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then some of the other kids so.
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In the public schools,
public schools were run
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by the Catholic
Church. So, you had the priest,
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sometimes they would
bring the Virgin Mary
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to the school and
the priest will come
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and bless the school.
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We had to
participate in all these rites.
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So were very much
exposed to all that as kids,
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and God gives you wisdom.
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You know, you can only
go as far as your beliefs
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and your understanding
of the word of God is,
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you can only go so far.
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But the Lord give us
wisdom as children to be like
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the three faithful
that they were in Babylon.
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They went toward the statue was,
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but they never bowed down to it.
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So, we find ourselves
sometimes in those situations,
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I'm saying that.
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So, did it help
you grow spiritually?
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It solidified. it did.
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because growing up
in a Colporteur's home
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you have tons of books.
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I praise God that I have a
mom like the one he gives me,
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gave me, because she saw in me
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a desire to learn fast.
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Reading was one of the
first thing she caught up,
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because I used to have the
Bazooka Bubble Gum Wrappers.
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Mom, what does that word say,
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of course, she's Spanish.
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Yes. Mom, what
does that word say
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and she will begin to teach me
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and so I learned to
read before I went to school.
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Yes. And because of that,
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I think the
Lord used that and...
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That is so funny,
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well, so where did
you learn to read, Ariel?
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Off the bubble
gum wrappers? Yes.
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That was the
beginning. Well, it's wonderful.
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I never that's just a new one.
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Right, I, that's the only
reading material that I had.
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And it was short enough that,
you know, a book has pages,
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but a bubble gum wrapper
is just a bubble wrapper.
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So it was not threatening. No.
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If I can read this,
you know, it's a style.
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It was a five
year old's newspaper,
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you find out about the
world from those sources.
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And of course, if you
chew too much bubble gum,
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you don't... Oh, dear.
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I don't have to
worry about those,
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they were coming
out naturally. Oh, okay.
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Anyways, because of that,
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when my dad would
bring children's book to sell
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as a Colporteur, I devour them,
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I mean, I just went through
the stories of the Apostle,
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the stories of Joseph, Moses.
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So, me and my brother
were extremely or thoroughly
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exposed to biblical
themes and biblical stories.
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So, I praise God
that the foundation,
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the foundation that our parents
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were able to give
us by God's grace,
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placed a very concrete
foundation in the life of me
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and my younger brother. Amen.
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Did you stay there?
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Then we came to United States.
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Oh, no, what's that
going. You're suppose to laugh.
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I think I'm suppose to stand
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and sing the national
anthem or something...
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I will explain myself
what I say about that.
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I didn't laugh my head hung...
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Let me explain
what I said about that,
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Okay. Because coming here
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it was a blessing,
of the opportunities
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that were given to
myself, my brother.
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And I do not by any
means regret any of that.
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But this country,
the way it's setup,
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this is for my
outsiders perspective.
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The way it's setup is designed
at least when we came here,
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this was around 1984.
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Things that, you
know, you have seen them
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flashes of those
times in the past.
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Some of the
things that I remember,
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were the one time
I was watching PBS,
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and there were
gonna run a special,
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after school
special and the question
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on the whole show was
going to be, am I gay?
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And they had a
picture of a 13 year old boy.
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Really. That question never,
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ever, ever entered into my mind.
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I thought, you know,
girls were, you know,
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fun to play soccer
with and things like that.
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I was nothing to this
sexuality mentality already.
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Right. But when I saw that,
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it was like just like Satan
in the Garden of Eden with Eve.
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You know, has God really said?
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The question was
never in Eve's mind
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until Satan
planted it. Suggested it.
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And that just created a
chasm of conflict in my mind,
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because my parents
had already told us,
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you know, listen,
girls are gonna be
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a part of your life, but later.
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Don't worry so much about that,
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you have school.
And women will take up
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enough of your brains
once you're done with school,
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No, no. Be positive,
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it was a good thing,
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you know, you've focus
on how to please this lady.
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You noticed, he's
kind of above that...
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I think I'm, and
it's not fair here,
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I don't think I will go there.
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Go ahead with your
story, there's two,
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two sitting over here and
one sitting here, go ahead.
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And so you're
telling us that coming
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from the
culture of South America
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and coming into this
kind of somewhat secularized,
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very open, very open.
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Really, it was
more open then there.
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As far as certain things, yes.
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But you know, well,
it was like that for us
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in Europe, compared to here.
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Ariel, I also hear you're
saying that this is a land
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where there are
more material advantages,
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you know, Kathy,
I was, I remember
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when I was in
Pakistan years ago.
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A conference
president, he told me, he said,
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pastor, he said, I
can't think of anything
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that would be in heaven
that you don't already have.
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And so this is seen as
the land of opportunity,
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and so this did give
more material opportunities.
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It did quickly, in
Bolivia and Argentina,
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I can remember that if
you had car in one place,
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you really didn't
have money to afford a TV.
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And if you had a TV in one place
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you really couldn't
afford to have a car.
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That's how the mind of
a young person thought.
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When I came here
we had everything,
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all of us had cars,
we had a TV in every room
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and all of those things began
to crack at that foundation,
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Because the
first thing that I was,
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I was very prone to read,
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but then I was very
prone to watch cartoons,
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Bugs Bunny and all those other.
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I grew up that way.
Cartoons. But I wasn't a reader.
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But we didn't have
cables in South America.
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And South America is
different now of course,
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now the whole world is
pretty much the same, 24x7 TV.
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But, back then they had,
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They had started
12 with military news,
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then they had a Mass,
and they had soap operas
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for about five hours, and
then cartoons for an hour.
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And so once the
cartoons were over,
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you know, you didn't
wanna see soap operas,
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we didn't care
about those things.
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So, you read, you played games,
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you did all these things.
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Here they had
the cartoon network,
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24 hours cartoons, all day long.
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Seven days a week.
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And so, it was hard
for me to turn it off.
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So, Satan supplanted
the love for reading,
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for the love for watching. yeah.
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And no mental
exercise. So, coming here was,
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could have been a
tremendous blessing,
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unfortunately the circumstances
that I allowed myself
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to enter both in high school
and even after high school,
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we're just extremely
detrimental to that foundation,
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to the point
where it seemed like
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everything was gonna crumble.
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In other words,
you're describing
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your early life with
high spiritual values,
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and a high sense of importance
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of spiritual
things in your life.
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And so you're
saying when you came here
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that begun to the
diminish somewhat.
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Well, on your choices,
you choose certain things
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that undermine all the other
things that you've been taught.
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Yeah, in high school,
the values were different.
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In South America, I'm not gonna
say South America is better,
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this is the
difference, it's the difference.
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In South
America, you had uniforms,
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everybody had to wear uniforms
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no matter what
school you went to.
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Here when I came here Adidas,
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Shell Top Adidas
and this specific jeans
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and specific
jackets were in style.
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And of course, those
were not found in Kmart,
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where my dad
shopped. Right, right.
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So, when I went to school,
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it wasn't no longer
my academic performance,
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Right, that dictated my level
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but rather my
outward appearance.
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So, you begin to care
less about getting honors,
00:16:00.63\00:16:03.47
and carrying more about
how many friends accepted you
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and who you hung out
and who you ate lunch with,
00:16:07.45\00:16:09.64
and who sat with
you at cafeteria.
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So, we became very shallow,
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and of course, the
transition wasn't fast,
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it was extremely gradual.
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Like I said, the Lord blessed me
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and my brother
with, we're not perfect,
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but perfect for us parents.
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Because they refer,
they are like, you know,
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we don't care what
they're telling you on TV,
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we don't care what they're.
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You know, at that time,
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it was around the
time where I think
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there was a young man
that had divorced his parents,
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I don't know if
you guys remember that?
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I do remember that,
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I do remember
something about that.
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And my parents
were like, listen,
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you know, you cannot
divorce us, That's right.
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because we have a
big belt then you do.
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Are you sure? well in God's
eyes though that's not possible?
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Exactly, legalities,
may say what they say,
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but in God's eyes that was,
that was false, that was void.
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It was not
heaven, they did not look
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at that as something solid
00:17:02.58\00:17:05.12
or something that
actually took place.
00:17:05.13\00:17:06.42
So, my parents had this fear of,
00:17:06.43\00:17:07.96
I was being
drawn away from them,
00:17:07.97\00:17:09.85
and graduated from
high school was actually
00:17:10.44\00:17:12.72
now back funny to
me and my brother,
00:17:13.12\00:17:14.85
because as
conversations grew back between
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my parents and my brother.
00:17:18.11\00:17:19.24
When they were
sitting together and we ate
00:17:20.09\00:17:22.90
and then we're finding
out that they were scared
00:17:22.91\00:17:24.85
and we were sacred
of something similar,
00:17:24.86\00:17:26.52
but from a
different perspective.
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All our friends in
high school were telling us,
00:17:28.37\00:17:30.17
man, I got to get
a job, my parents,
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I am gonna turn 18 and
they wanna kick me out.
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I have to go and
find a place to live at.
00:17:34.25\00:17:35.73
And me and my brother
looked at each other like,
00:17:36.08\00:17:37.54
I wonder if mom and dad
are gonna do that to us.
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And in Argentina, you
don't leave home unless
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you get married, right,
or basically, that's it.
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My parents on the other hand
were getting from their parents,
00:17:48.51\00:17:51.57
other parents saying,
my child's threatening me
00:17:51.58\00:17:54.10
that when he
turns 18 he's leaving,
00:17:54.11\00:17:55.99
and was never
gonna see me again.
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So my parents were
thinking well, you know...
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Are they gonna do that to us?
00:17:59.32\00:18:00.50
Ariel and Marcelo are not
thinking about doing that to us.
00:18:00.51\00:18:02.98
So, it, this mentality that
at least we found ourselves in,
00:18:03.39\00:18:08.49
what it begin to do was put
00:18:08.94\00:18:10.14
a huge wedge
between our families.
00:18:10.15\00:18:11.73
The communication
broke down really fast.
00:18:12.51\00:18:14.77
You couldn't talk to your
parents of certain things.
00:18:16.73\00:18:18.89
So, this particular
subject you just talked about,
00:18:18.90\00:18:21.24
the two fears had you all
not talked to each about that?
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No, we just acted them
out, complete misunderstandings.
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Our parents were over
reacting to certain things
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and we were over
react to other things.
00:18:29.05\00:18:30.72
And so it just
created a lot clashing,
00:18:30.73\00:18:32.77
a lot friction, it's
also misunderstandings.
00:18:32.78\00:18:35.21
And Satan does
things in such a way that
00:18:35.65\00:18:37.68
with through those
misunderstandings you got,
00:18:39.65\00:18:41.38
you have a great
separation. That's right.
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And a greater
chasm... Divide and conquer,
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Yes, yes. And you
could do a good job
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dividing by
breakdown communication,
00:18:48.22\00:18:50.14
yes, right, right, absolutely.
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That's the first
thing that I learned to do,
00:18:51.82\00:18:53.57
is to be suspicious
of my parents motives.
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Do they go through my
things, blah, blah, blah,
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and my parents on the other hand
00:18:58.12\00:19:00.42
were being taught to
be distressful of us kids.
00:19:00.43\00:19:02.86
Are you kids bringing
marijuana from school,
00:19:03.33\00:19:05.76
are your kids smoking,
00:19:05.77\00:19:06.74
and you don't know these things.
00:19:06.75\00:19:07.72
Are you kids drinking.
So both of us had this fear
00:19:07.73\00:19:10.86
that were foreign to us.
00:19:10.87\00:19:12.57
And it was kind of
difficult adjusting to those
00:19:12.58\00:19:15.06
and maintaining
the conversation.
00:19:15.70\00:19:17.19
Because when you don't trust,
you're kind of like waiting
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for the other person to give
you a little more information.
00:19:19.48\00:19:21.76
Yes. Rather than
you give to them.
00:19:21.77\00:19:23.84
And when he came to
issues like talking about sex,
00:19:24.74\00:19:27.61
because in, I was
what 15 in Junior High.
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And you know what sex education
consisted in my school?
00:19:33.54\00:19:35.87
It was not
anything more than showing
00:19:37.65\00:19:40.45
the males how to use a condom.
00:19:40.90\00:19:42.28
That's all basically that it
consisted of and informing us
00:19:42.78\00:19:46.92
that we could have access
00:19:46.93\00:19:48.39
to as many
condoms as we would need.
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Is this once you
got here obviously?
00:19:51.33\00:19:53.30
Once we got here,
this is public high school.
00:19:53.31\00:19:55.14
And safe sex was actually,
if you wanted to title it
00:19:55.55\00:19:59.53
correctly was half
sex class education,
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Right, Right. Yes.
00:20:02.89\00:20:03.86
It wasn't safe sex, it
was, if you feel like it,
00:20:03.87\00:20:06.74
go ahead, but now you're safe.
00:20:07.16\00:20:08.84
Which is the
most destructive thing
00:20:09.26\00:20:12.78
you can say to a teenager,
00:20:12.79\00:20:14.17
because it distorts totally
the mentality of relationships,
00:20:14.58\00:20:18.53
it distorts towards
the mentality of family,
00:20:18.54\00:20:20.62
of intimacy, it just, and
Satan does that masterfully,
00:20:20.63\00:20:24.20
he begins young
about breaking down
00:20:24.21\00:20:26.76
how we view these
scared Holy things.
00:20:26.77\00:20:29.41
Yes. Ariel, now you were going
00:20:29.42\00:20:31.70
through a period in
which you were being
00:20:32.17\00:20:33.91
very Americanized,
this in some of the more
00:20:33.92\00:20:37.46
negative aspect of the culture.
00:20:37.47\00:20:39.12
What was going on
in your spiritual life,
00:20:39.70\00:20:41.62
in another words, did
you drop out of church
00:20:41.63\00:20:43.29
about that time or
could you tell us about that?
00:20:43.30\00:20:46.00
I learned to fake it.
You know you go to school
00:20:46.77\00:20:50.64
for a certain number of
years and you get a Ph.D
00:20:50.65\00:20:52.50
I have about three of them.
00:20:52.97\00:20:53.94
Because of how
many years I learned
00:20:54.21\00:20:55.82
to put up aside as an Adventist.
00:20:55.83\00:20:59.04
Because I didn't
want to leave the church,
00:20:59.45\00:21:02.39
I was not happy anywhere else.
00:21:02.40\00:21:03.97
I mean, as far as
truth was concerned,
00:21:04.48\00:21:06.69
I knew like I told you
guys that foundation as a child,
00:21:06.70\00:21:09.32
gave me a conscious that
I could not enjoy the world
00:21:09.78\00:21:11.98
no matter how hard I tried.
00:21:11.99\00:21:13.48
Amen to that. Yes, and thank God
00:21:13.49\00:21:15.45
for the prayers of
mothers and fathers.
00:21:15.46\00:21:17.46
Because the Holy Spirit
even though I wanted to go
00:21:17.84\00:21:20.60
and do the dancing and
all these other things,
00:21:20.61\00:21:23.23
at the end of the
night you come home
00:21:23.83\00:21:25.86
and you have this dreaded fear,
00:21:25.87\00:21:27.65
God's watching and
he's seeing everything.
00:21:29.15\00:21:31.25
So, you did, you did drop out?
00:21:31.26\00:21:33.00
I did, but not,
00:21:34.20\00:21:35.48
I technically I
always remained in the books.
00:21:35.49\00:21:37.71
I always had a
suit and tie in church.
00:21:37.72\00:21:39.49
Okay. But Sabbath evenings
00:21:39.50\00:21:42.35
I was watching
movies and doing anything
00:21:42.36\00:21:46.02
that if I was really
in the church I would not.
00:21:46.03\00:21:48.77
I would not be participating
in a lot of the things
00:21:49.23\00:21:51.29
that I did and doing
many of the things that I did.
00:21:51.30\00:21:53.61
And for many years I
was satisfied with that.
00:21:54.01\00:21:55.70
And when you
said God's watching,
00:21:55.71\00:21:57.66
did you have a sense of hashes,
00:21:57.67\00:21:59.31
or did you have just a sense of
you know I'm hurting the Lord,
00:21:59.32\00:22:02.37
God knows what I am
doing, which was it?
00:22:02.38\00:22:04.37
If Satan can get you to
misunderstand your parents,
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he will have a easier time
making you misunderstand God,
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that's true.
Because as the more ignorant
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you are about the love
of your earthly father.
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Right. The more easily
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you'll be deceived
about your Heavenly Father.
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So, did you have some experience
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now as you came did
coming, did you stay there?
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Did you come back to the Lord?
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The Lord and His mercy
brought me out, amen, amen.
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He put hedges about
me, you know sometimes
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we see restrictions and
things that are not removed
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quickly as
hindrances. But now I see them
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as a wall that Lord
will not bring down,
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to keep me from passing
it, to keep me from passing it.
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Because I was blindsided.
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A lady once told me, you
know the Lord does not deal
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with all of us the same way.
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He looks at the
circumstances we were raised,
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he looks at
circumstances we find ourselves
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in and he's merciful, amen,
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and he was merciful with
me to the utmost extreme.
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Finally in 1997, I'm not
gonna go into all of this,
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but I was able to go to
a mission field in Bolivia.
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It's a branch of, Serve a Need,
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of ADRA called Serve a Need.
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And it's for
drug we have children.
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And I've got to
see eight to ten,
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twelve year olds glue sniffers
from Santa Cruz, Bolivia.
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We would take him
away out in the Mountains,
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change there diet
and offer them prayer.
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Really. And
these kids had parents
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that were horrible parents,
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I say it the way it is,
they were horrible parents.
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And yet these
kids loved their mom.
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Really? Once they
got past their anger
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and the frustrations
of the mom not being home,
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and being out with boyfriends.
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With the dad being
out with girlfriends.
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When he came
down to it at night,
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they wanted me to
pray for those parents.
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And I began to think. Amazing.
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How have I treated my parents,
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you know in the
Mountains of Santa Cruz,
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I remember after reading
Spirit of Prophecy or the Bible,
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I always sit out there and cry.
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You know Lord,
what kind of treatment
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have I given my parents.
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I've just been a
horrible, horrible burden.
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And so I hear you telling us,
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Ariel, that though
you had some ideological
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conflicts in your teenage years,
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when you began to get out there
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and see things from
another perspective,
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you begin to reevaluate yourself
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and kind of tune up
your spiritual life.
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And all the
horrible things that happen
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to those children yet
they could love their parents.
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Yes, and I had wonderful parents
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that I totally mistrusted.
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And I denied them my
love, which wounded them deeply,
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I know it did.
First thing I did, think,
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then when I came
back from South America
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was apologize to them.
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And you know
that was the beginning
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of me seeing God hands
in my family once more.
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Because, I remember,
I was kneeling together
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and my dad praying
and thanking the Lord,
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with tears in his
eyes, we were all crying,
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all of us were
crying in the kitchen table,
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I remember it. I
see it here that he,
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all embrace like we
should do when we were little.
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It was like a big
long time had passed
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and it was full of darkness.
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And God had once more
brought the family together,
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oh, amen, amen. And
my brother of course
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was there too and
we, for a long time,
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me and my brother never hugged,
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and our father used to make us
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kiss each other on the cheeks,
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it's very Spanish
thing. It's very Spanish.
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Yes, yes. [Foreign Language].
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Yes, and the kiss as
well, for the longest time,
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me and my
brother we did not show
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any type of
affection, he will go his way,
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I will go my way.
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But after this, we
could embrace each other
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and tell to each
other, I love you again.
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Amen. It was the most wonderful
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experience, Kathy,
to see in the short time
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that I've been
alive in this planet.
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To see a God of
mercy rescue somebody
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with the knowledge
that willing forsake it.
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And he protected you
during your most difficult time.
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During that time,
oh, the Lord is merciful.
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I mean, anything
could have happened to me,
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those roads going up to
those mountains in South America
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are not like the roads out here,
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people die all the time. Right.
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He preserved me through
that, preserve me through...
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He's pursuing us, isn't he?
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Yes, and to use us.
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And to use us, we
had for a purpose,
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he is pursuing us for a purpose,
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he has a purpose for you.
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And you're
doing a lot right now.
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Ariel is the massage instructor
at Black Hills Mission College
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there of
evangelism in South Dakota.
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And he does a wonderful job,
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that's good and he's taught
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so many to do a
wonderful job as well.
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And that's by God
providence as well.
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Amen. It is by God providence,
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he's got good hands. I
would like to ask you more
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about what most affected you
about your walk with the Lord,
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I don't know if we have enough
time to even go into that but...
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I say short prayers of
whatever comes to my mind first,
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okay, quick. The
prayers of my mother,
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oh, amen, okay. The
prayer of my father,
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yes, and the Desire of Ages.
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Oh! That's
good, which is a book,
00:26:44.93\00:26:48.24
on the Life of
Christ, on the Life of Christ,
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That's right. That
book broke my heart.
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It would do it for anyone
who was looking for the Lord,
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wouldn't it? If
you were open to that,
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it would do it.
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What wonderful story.
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It is and it's not enough
we didn't get all the details
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I would like have, but
you are going to come back
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into another program with us.
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And it's more or less
telling us where you are,
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and in the subject of courtship
and seeking a companion,
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And a little bit more then that.
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But before we go,
I want to invite the,
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our viewers to
write or call 3ABN.
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Tell us about your
impressions of our program.
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We would like to hear from you,
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I enjoy hearing
from those from the past.
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Ariel is gonna pray
for us now as we go out,
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you stay with us,
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we'll be praying with
you and God bless you.
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Dear Father, thank you
so much for your mercy.
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And Lord I am
thankful that you saved me.
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All of us Father
we could not even,
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we cannot even
imagine where would we be Lord
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had you not
intervened in our life sometime.
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And Father, I
pray that all this work
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and after repeating to our
lives will not be for nothing.
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