Welcome to Thinking About Home.
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I am Kathy Mathews
and I am glad that you
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are back with us
again. We're going to do
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something a little bit different
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this time, So just hang on.
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Alright we're changing places.
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I am Pastor Richard
O'Ffill from the Florida
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Conference and
I've been a guest on
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Thinking About Home,
Kathy numbers of times.
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But you
remember between programs
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sometimes I have said
to you, you know Kathy
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I think you
ought to be a guest on
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Thinking About
Home. And I fight with you
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occasionally. And you
have so many wonderful
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programs and what I
should say that other
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people should
because you have all of these
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guests that come in
and then when you and
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I talk in between
time. I say well Kathy you
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need to tell us
about these things.
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We need to have a
Thinking About Home that
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has you as the guest
and so that's what we're
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going to do for
couple of programs.
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And he always
scares me away I think and
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I chicken out and
have other reasons and
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other excuses. But
there are some things that
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I would like to share.
Well and I think that our
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viewers are going to
appreciate the programs
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that we are going to
have and we're going to begin
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with something that I
think that you are so well
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qualified to do for us
and we're going to talk
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about the
subject of hospitality.
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Yes, I enjoy
hospitality. You know it feels
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different over here.
I feel really unusual.
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There you do to
see how the rest of the
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world lives. I am
so out strive, I am.
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Sometimes when I am
flying, hope I can cope
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with this, sometimes
when I am flying in the
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aeroplane Kathy, you
know they have the first
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class in the coach
and so the plane takes
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off course and they
draw the curtain between
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the first class and
the coach. And so sometimes
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I'll say the
attendant leave it open so we
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can see how the
other out leaves.
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And so you are getting
to see what that's like.
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Yes. Speaking of
hospitality and for down south
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you know when they talk
about Southern Hospitality.
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Yes. And
hospitality I suppose we ought
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to define it. I
mean where do you see at
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coming from, what are
we talking about when we
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talk about
hospitality in general terms,
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in general terms.
Well I would like to,
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we'll about that in
just a second but I'd like
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to start with that I
was not a custom really
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to hospitality as I
was growing up and that
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kind of hospitality
that you would just talking
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about is just having
someone in for dinner,
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a mere invitation or
just fixing something that's
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going to last couple
of hours and it's over
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in major. Entertaining!
Just entertaining that
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sort of thing, that's
not really what I want to
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talk about even
though we talked about that
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little bit. When I was
growing up I didn't really have
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the concept of even
that kind of hospitality.
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I grew up on farm in
Arkansas and I am the
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youngest of twelve
children and I could
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tell you stories
about how my daddy married
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momma's sister and
sister would died and all those
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kinds of long drama,
stories that would make
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me my own
grandma and, but I won't
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go into that, that's irrelevant.
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But the hospitality
like that I really wasn't
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accustomed to and
when I became a Christian,
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there was a display, a
modeling of hospitality
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that helped me to
understand what I should
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be doing and as a
gift to Christ in ministry.
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In other words you
are saying though you were
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down in the south with
the southern hospitality
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that your life was
a little complicated
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from a big family and
of course there weren't
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a lot of
opportunities to be hospitable.
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No there weren't.
Taking care of 12 kids
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was a hospitality
challenge. That was enough and
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there were a lot of
people in the home and usually
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all that I ever
solve was my own family.
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If there was a sister
or brother that got married
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and they moved away.
That's who was invited
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back into the
house, when they come home
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for a visit. I didn't
have a lot experience at all
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about having any
other people in our home.
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So I didn't
understand what hospitality like
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that was either but
it was modeled to me by
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the house family
when we became Seventh
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Day Adventist
Christians, we were in Fort Hood
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Texas and Tom was in
the military and I knew
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they had something
that we wanted and part of
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that package was how
hospitable they were to us
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and now I had more
modeling than just this
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one family, you know you
got to see several people
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and you were a new
Christian coming into
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the church. We were ignored.
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We were terribly
ignored and we were
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in our late 20s and
almost 30 and what I mean
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is ignored about a
lot of culture refined
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things in life. And I
was impressed by the family
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of God that I got
see at that point.
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Now we're not all like
these families that modeled
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it us but in way, it
was modeled to me in both
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just the entertaining
and it was modeled to me
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in the nurturing soul
winning, and that's what
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I want to talk about. I
don't want to talk about
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just inviting
someone at home for dinner.
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Here there's we are
not talking about Emily
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Post here. No we are
not. Or it's manners.
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No not at all, no we
are not talking about
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etiquettes and
manners though it think that's
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something that we could
talk about it another time
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but that's what this
problem is all about.
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It took crude in my
heart there that I wanted
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to be a soul winner
and I felt like it needed
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to be on my
grounds. It needed to be to
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where I could have
an effect on people and
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but being really
naturally friendly and I was in
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the sales. I met a lot
of people and as I wanted
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to share the gospel
of Jesus with others,
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I felt that to bring
them into my home was
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really important.
Now I had a lot of
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naive expectations.
I felt that everybody
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in the church ought to
be able to have this gift
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and we might be
traveling somewhere and
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I would just expect
what type, it was just
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10 years. I just
expected everybody in the
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church to be able to
have the gift of hospitality.
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We're not, you
know I might sake of you
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I remembers years
ago and may be times have
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changed because
there was a time in which
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you would visited a
church, you would almost,
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always get asked
you know, over for lunch
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or people were making
sure that you are being
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carried for, but you
know I might say before
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you gone I was down
in one of the southern
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cities one time. I
won't say who it was because
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I don't want to
embarrass the people there
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in Miami and, okay
sorry. Anyway so anyway
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I don't know
somebody dropped the ball
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because it was a big
church and I walked out
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of that church and
you know we had lunch
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in our car that day,
we had lunch in our car.
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Yes we did. Yeah but
anyway, but that's not
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an unusual thing. No
it's not an unusual thing
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and as I went through
the years I was kind of
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sad to see that.
But again I want to
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distinguish between
just nearly inviting someone
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home and being
hospitable which we need to do
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as opposed to those of
the kind of hospitality
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that's required
when you are so winning.
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And I notice a moment
ago that you would almost
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interchange those
words. You are saying that you
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feel hospitality is
a part of soul-winning
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or is it on the
road to soul-winning?
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I think it is a
serious part of soul-winning
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because the nurturing
that I received had to do
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with the type of hospitality
that required a great
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deal more from an
individual or a family
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or a couple than just
the word seems to signify
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that hospitality
usually makes us think of.
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When you are so
winning, you have a lot more
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of self that's going to
be put into this lot more
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efforts and I
wanna to tell a story.
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I was doing some
Apartment Management.
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My husband and I were
doing, we were property
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managers and this was
in the last few years.
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Actually the couple I
am gonna talk about has
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been on the program
here couple of years ago.
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Okay. And this
before they became members
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of the church, but my
heart went out to this
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couple and they
had just gotten married
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and rented an apartment
from us and it was going
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to be a difficult situation
I could because I had to
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screen people, you
have to show apartments
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to screen people
and Rachel, our younger
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daughter was 12 at
that time, and she watched
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these people come up
to the apartment and they
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fill out their
applications or put like that.
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And I was just won
over by the young lady that
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was a part of this
couple that had not yet
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gotten married and she
was telling her experience
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in Christ that she
had come out of drug rehab
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and that she knew
that the Lord Jesus had
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helped her come out
of that. Now she had not
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given up many other
things out of their lives.
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Now you're giving me
this background because
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they haven't moved
in yet. They haven't
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moved in yet. You are
processing these people?
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We're processing
these people and Rachel
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was standing in
the apartment then the
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second day that we
met them when the young
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lady brought up
her husband to be and
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he looked,
frightful. He frightened her,
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I don't want. He
frightened Rachel? He frightened
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Rachel yes and she
backed off against twill,
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and she backed
up against the wall
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and I could see the
expression on her face
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and she had to leave the room.
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Is this because he
looked weird or something?
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He was different yes. So
he had his chains on and,
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I said weird and
you said different,
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I guess that's.
You're little more,
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I thought about
my words differently.
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Now this is true.
And the multiple earrings
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and the various
body things. Oh mine.
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The black
jacket, the boots. Right.
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It was kind of, to
her it was frightening,
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the hair was down to
here and I don't have
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any problem with
that but all package put
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together makes you wonder.
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Okay, if I rent
an apartment to these
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people what am I
going to have to deal
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with that, deal with
later on? Is it going
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to be a difficulty
for other people in the
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apartment complex and this was a
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secured area, however
it wasn't a very, very,
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it was in the
ghettos. It was in a poor part
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of town. So our
lives had seriously changed
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by being in that part
of the city and it was
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not something that
we had wish for and
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I did a lot of
lamenting that who am I going
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to get witness to. Why
am I here Lord and so forth?
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There were nice
ambulances and people
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who would in fact to be
this young lady's sister
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that I had also
for her sake rented an
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apartment to. I had
to go through a night of
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suicidal attempt
and to hold or deal with
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the police and this
was not an uncommon thing.
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Now that was probably
one of the worst things
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that we had gone
through at that time,
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but I was in
ministering to them.
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It changed a lot of
things in my life and
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how I needed to
really spend time with this
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type of person well.
Excuse me for interrupting
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and so that I'll unders
and, so there you were as
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apartment
manager. This couple comes.
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He is kind of far out
looking you know to put
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it mildly and so
apparently you let
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them move in then.
Well yes because of her
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experience in Christ
and where it appeared
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that she was. So she
didn't look like he did?
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She did. She
looked a lot like he did.
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But she had a kind
of a testimony that
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appealed to you.
That appealed to me
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in great deal and
when they moved in then
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you kind of, do I want
to use the word sort of,
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sort of felt you
know, there's something out
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to be doing for this.
Yes exactly and it appeared
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that it would make a
difference in their life
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they were, they probably
didn't know it at that time
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but I felt like they
could, they needed mentoring
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and that I really
didn't understand my own
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desires to mentor at
that time and I didn't
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understand how successful
the Lord could make me.
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How blessed, what a
blessing it could be.
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Of course it was, you
really didn't know what
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you might be getting
into? No, I had no idea
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what I was getting
into but it was satisfying
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to say the least
because even if you loose sleep
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at night, you are
still, you are in very close
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connection with the
Lord for the sake of
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someone else. Sure, sure.
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So I rented an apartment
a month later the two of
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them married and they
moved in and it started
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the opportunity to
invite them on my grounds
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to woo them, to
pitch out the beauties of
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and the gems of
truth and just see how
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they would react. I
would look for the green
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lights you know. One
thing I was gonna ask about
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that because obviously
they were, you know shall
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I say that they were
some kind of a different
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culture then you're
and Tom, yes, yes and
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so did they look at you
and think you know what's
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going on here or it
would be interesting to know
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how is it that
they responded even at
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all through you.
Well they responded
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like children to
parents that really loved
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their parents.
They loved our interest
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in their life and now
they had their own thing
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that they were
constantly doing but then when
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I would share with
Karen and with John when I
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would share with
them and Tom too,
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they were really,
they were highly interested
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but then there were
some things that would happen
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that would their own
life would take over,
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their own lifestyle,
which was surprising,
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I am interested
while I am standing here
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but when I go away
you know everything
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else takes over my
habits, my practices of things
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that they were
dealing with. Okay, so anyway
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we moved on to a
point where we could talk
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about Biblical
matters and then we moved to a
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point of having them in
our home for Bible studies
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and this is where the
hospitality in the sense
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of so winning and
nurturing really takes
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intentional effort. Oh
my. And so as they would
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come in for Bible
studies, we discovered that they
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could not even open
the Bible and concentrate
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on the scripture
without several hours sometimes
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of mediating
between arguments because of
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their personal life.
No. So we discovered that
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when we would try to
give them a study if they
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were tensed about
something that was
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going on in their life,
they could not concentrate
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and if we're trying to
give them something that
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seem to be a little
drab in the way of video
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or we used to have
encounter series that it
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became slow and
soft. Right, right.
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And they would.
Sleeping? You know. Oh Lord.
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And we didn't
know what to do so we,
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it took a little while
to discover what was going
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to really grab them,
but the first things that
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we had to do is just
mediate between arguments.
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It was draining. Well,
you know and I was thinking
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too because you know
knowing you like I do
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in of course being a
man I am wondering you know
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what Tom's added to
you, did Tom ever say to you,
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you know there's
no hope for this,
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you know this
couple. Leave them alone,
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you know they are
messing up our lives.
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Let's go on. I don't
know. He may have felt that
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way sometimes
because time is not,
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time is more even
kill and more quiet and
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though, but he was
just as interested in
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witnessing to
them. But you mean you
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would have moved to
the house as so to speak,
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they would get
into it right there on.
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Oh, yes, yes. And
then it wasn't, it's not a
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funny thing. It was a
very hard thing on them
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and it was a hard
thing on Rachel because
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we are not pastors.
We don't spend our time
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all the time doing
this and I just want to say
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to the audience that
I am not talking about
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the type of
soul-winning where you need to
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neglect your whole
family to take care of a person.
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I am talking to
the people who find it
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difficult to do much
of anything and I want to
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encourage you that
it's satisfying to where
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it was people like
these, but I wouldn't want
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you to neglect
your family to do it.
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But when I say that
because I just mentioned
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Rachel's difficulty
with our doings this in
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our home, but we
have always been witnesses
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and we have often
had people on our home
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but nobody liked this,
nobody like this people.
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Amazing! They were needy people.
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Amazing! And so we would
invite them into our home
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and we would
mediate between arguments
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and sometimes up to
four hours and there has been
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nights that we
were there because they
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seem to need it until
4'O Clock in the morning,
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now Tom had to quit
before 4'O clock in the
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morning came on. But
I would try to work with
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them until we
could pray together.
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So it came to time
where between these arguments
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we couldn't get
description. We needed
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to get description
and I finally exacted a
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commitment out of
them and that was in the
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sense of I needed to
lay down my proprietors,
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I mean my proper
behavior, yes right,
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so to speak and I got
on my knees in front of
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them on the couch
and I said you know we,
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if we are going
to make a commitment
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for Bible study and if
we're going to really get
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into the word Lord, if
you really want to change
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for your life then
we need to make at least
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two commitments. One
is that you need to study
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on your own and you need
to pray together out loud.
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The studying
together you could do here and
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I would like to get
two weekly commitments
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from you and I got their
attention and I made them
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look into my eyes just
if I were talking to little
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children and look at me
this is what we need to do.
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And they looked at me
and said we'll do that
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and they did it. And you
know I was fascinated by,
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okay they committed and now
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they were coming regularly.
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Now I have to say
that one of that, when I am
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talking about not
regularly, they weren't
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coming regularly
before that point and
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Tom would take off
work because they would
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commit to come to a Bible study.
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So Tom's quite, and
we lost many for this.
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And then they wouldn't show up?
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And then they wouldn't
show up, there would be
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a no show and this was
kind of becoming regular
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and so that's when I
exacted this commitment
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out of them that
they needed to do that.
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The time, the hours,
the efforts, the dinners,
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the inviting them
to be with us in the
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recreational things
and eventually we invited
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them to 3ABN
because I wanted them to see
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how the sharing of the
Gospel, the work of the
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Lord was far
larger than me and Tom.
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Now that even before
they had changed their lives.
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Oh yes, they came in
their leather jackets and
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their chains and
all this kind of stuff.
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They dressed a little
differently when we did
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a program with them
but that was their normal
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attire and that
was their normal life.
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It wasn't unusual
for them to have serious
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argument that would
require police intervention
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and trying to work
with someone like that
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requires a lot of commitment.
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Now was it going on over months?
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This went on for
several months until it was
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probably from about
a fall to spring time
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and anyway, could you
see in their lives though
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as you are going along
a little changes that was
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beginning to breakup.
Yes. Now that you must
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have seen, you
must not have been going
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from bad to worse
although it was manifested.
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You wondered sometime if it was.
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But there must have been
a little hope because you
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weren't giving up.
There was, there was,
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because finally when
this one night where we had
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this mediation so to
speak for them and with them
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and trying to help
them and counsel them
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and just listening to
them. We had to send Rachel
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out of the room. It
wasn't the first time
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but we had to send
Rachel out of the room
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because we were,
they would need to discuss
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material that she
didn't need to hear.
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No, right. And we can
talk about that may be
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on the next
program the resentment
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and the things that
happened in her heart
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and yet at the same
time there were resentments,
00:20:31.47\00:20:34.21
there was, they
need to pray for them,
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the desire to help
them. So you know, you don't
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have your mind can go
back and forth and you
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can feel two
ways about something.
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But the Holy Spirit
must have been working
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in their hearts
because their hearts weren't
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getting harder that's for sure.
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No, it wasn't getting harder.
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They would come up
and we could hear them
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discussing things even
from the spiritual point
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of view before they
would even come into
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the house and may be
that we had an appointment
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set and they will be
standing on the stairways
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before they would
enter into the door,
00:21:01.21\00:21:02.57
knock on the door.
Right. And we're gonna hear
00:21:02.58\00:21:04.14
the argument going on
before they will enter
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the house. And we were
just be inside praying,
00:21:05.81\00:21:07.61
and waiting for them
to come to terms with
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themselves before they
could walk in our door.
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But now they
weren't getting any harder,
00:21:16.04\00:21:18.19
they were in fact
getting much softer and
00:21:18.20\00:21:20.26
you could see
things beginning to change
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in their lives.
What's all the purpose of
00:21:21.80\00:21:26.41
all of this? What's
the point I am trying to
00:21:26.42\00:21:28.82
make in all of this?
Well, now let me tell you.
00:21:28.83\00:21:33.85
You know the viewers
and me, you know I am
00:21:33.86\00:21:37.11
beginning to think
Kathy has taken hospitality
00:21:37.12\00:21:40.71
here into the
next generation because
00:21:40.72\00:21:43.70
some of the start it
was having people over
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after Sabbath and
you are talking about
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opening your life with someone.
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That's right, yes I
am. You're talking about
00:21:51.15\00:21:53.02
something that
goes way beyond even
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staying
overnight, you know further,
00:21:54.84\00:21:57.87
this represents a
kind of a commitment
00:21:57.88\00:22:01.78
and I can see why
that you are a calling
00:22:01.79\00:22:05.23
it soul winning. It's
a commitment to change
00:22:05.24\00:22:09.13
your life. Now you
would go so far as to
00:22:09.14\00:22:12.08
say that you
know, every Sabbath that
00:22:12.09\00:22:16.67
we would be doing
this. I think that what
00:22:16.68\00:22:19.55
you are talking
about is almost even being,
00:22:19.56\00:22:21.32
about being neighborly
is do we want to bring
00:22:21.33\00:22:24.19
that into it? Well, I was being.
00:22:24.20\00:22:26.01
Is this about a
good neighbor stuff?
00:22:26.02\00:22:27.82
It is but I was
being neighborly.
00:22:27.83\00:22:29.70
It may be moves out
of that ramp from the
00:22:29.71\00:22:33.74
beginning because you
have to be neighborly,
00:22:33.75\00:22:35.97
you have to win a
rapport, and you have
00:22:35.98\00:22:37.76
to build a trust. We
did that in the beginning
00:22:37.77\00:22:40.20
and then it moved on
but you know hospitality
00:22:40.21\00:22:43.33
enters in because you
have them in your home.
00:22:43.34\00:22:45.72
You are feeding them,
you are working with them,
00:22:45.73\00:22:48.66
you are bring
friendly and sociable to them,
00:22:48.67\00:22:50.36
that's all hospitality.
You are and it is a soul
00:22:50.37\00:22:53.45
winning that's true
but in the realm of getting
00:22:53.46\00:22:56.16
them into your home to
do it in, and so that they
00:22:56.17\00:22:59.00
can see a
different atmosphere then the
00:22:59.01\00:23:00.85
way they grew up. Off
course there's something
00:23:00.86\00:23:02.73
true I think that
really touches my heart with
00:23:02.74\00:23:05.20
the story to tell and
that is you are giving
00:23:05.21\00:23:07.75
the time and you know
this generation doesn't
00:23:07.76\00:23:10.01
have time. We
would rather and we would
00:23:10.02\00:23:12.70
diminish the
importance of writing out a
00:23:12.71\00:23:15.09
cheque to 3ABN. So
that someone else can
00:23:15.10\00:23:18.23
take the time.
Alright. But you gave time
00:23:18.24\00:23:22.28
and time is what life
is about, you are paying
00:23:22.29\00:23:25.17
someone else to
do it for you. Right.
00:23:25.18\00:23:27.28
And I made this you know.
00:23:27.29\00:23:29.62
What did you like to?
No I have got to make a
00:23:29.63\00:23:33.12
confession here but I
am sure that the viewers
00:23:33.13\00:23:35.30
are holded in confidence.
You know, I am not very
00:23:35.31\00:23:38.73
good about this. I
think that I was a little bit
00:23:38.74\00:23:42.26
like you, I
didn't have the models.
00:23:42.27\00:23:43.77
You had a model
and I was raised in the
00:23:43.78\00:23:47.10
minister's home and
I think we were more
00:23:47.11\00:23:49.99
you know close. Now
we're gonna it was a
00:23:50.00\00:23:51.73
very sociable life but
I don't remember having
00:23:51.74\00:23:54.93
that opening up
your. But I didn't either
00:23:54.94\00:23:57.40
because, I think my
wife saw almost a little
00:23:57.41\00:24:00.19
more this way. Yes.
But you know I am such
00:24:00.20\00:24:01.96
a bad neighbor. I am
using the word neighbor
00:24:01.97\00:24:04.18
you know to go with
this. You know that a Seventh
00:24:04.19\00:24:06.52
Day Adventist moved
in as a neighbor to us
00:24:06.53\00:24:09.58
in the house next
door and in the five
00:24:09.59\00:24:11.57
or six years since
they have been there,
00:24:11.58\00:24:13.01
they have left
the church. Oh sorry.
00:24:13.02\00:24:15.56
I mean now that all
for, I am sorry to hear
00:24:15.57\00:24:16.77
that, and so when you
tell me a story like this
00:24:16.78\00:24:19.01
you could imagine
how it makes me feel.
00:24:19.02\00:24:21.15
Now when I look back
on it, I think well may
00:24:21.16\00:24:23.13
be it was
complicated, may be there were
00:24:23.14\00:24:24.82
things going on. You
know that I couldn't do
00:24:24.83\00:24:26.89
anything about but
I know that I could do
00:24:26.90\00:24:30.12
so much more in
giving off my time. Yeah.
00:24:30.13\00:24:32.89
Now off course in the
ministry, the ministry
00:24:32.90\00:24:35.56
is about ministering.
Yes. And so may be the
00:24:35.57\00:24:38.06
minister rest by not
ministering but how can
00:24:38.07\00:24:41.31
I ask you to minister
while you do your work.
00:24:41.32\00:24:45.28
While I minister
and then when I rest,
00:24:45.29\00:24:47.25
I don't minister,
you know that's kind
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of messing up the word.
Alright. God calls on us
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to minister to
each other in season and
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out of season and
that's what I am hearing
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you say. And well
that's true and it is because
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this became not only
ministering in our home
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and so winning and
being hospitable and giving
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our time and our
effort and our money.
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It also eventually
this young man needed work
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and it went on to
where Tom was able to help
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him get a job where he
was. And then it was all
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day long and. Working together.
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Because well you
know not because they were
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talking all day long
but there would always be
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that time where he
will be watching Tom
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and where he needed to
know while I don't react
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to this. Now does the
story have a happy ending?
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Oh yes, it does.
Do these people, then
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I think in the
minutes that remain in the
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program bring us right
up to the happy ending.
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Well they have but I
want to say you don't always
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have a happy ending
just because you put
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all these effort
into it. Well no, that's
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important. You know,
you don't always have a
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happy ending but
that doesn't mean that you
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shouldn't do it. In fact
there is a text scripture
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Kathy that says a give
expecting nothing in return
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and your reward will
be great and you are doing
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this just as a
matter of principle. Yes.
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And we need to how
it was, I want to share
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the Lord and I want to
share, I found out that
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I was much enjoying
and being very satisfied
00:26:05.99\00:26:09.56
in the Lord to
ministering into this way.
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I don't want to
rescue people, there comes a
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time when there is
tuff love and you want
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them out of your
life. But we're gonna talk
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about these things
that it does to you in
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another program.
Sure, in another program
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we're gonna talk
about some of the principles
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behind hospitality.
Yes. Because this is been
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good for me to hear
the story, we're suppose
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just because it's
right to help. It is.
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That's what Jesus
did. It is. That's what
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Jesus did, God
causes the rain to fall on,
00:26:35.67\00:26:38.66
he could cast it back
and sometimes we think
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well I'll help
somebody if they respond
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but if they're not
gonna respond I am not
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going to help.
Absolutely, and their response
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was good and then
there was no response
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but the ideas to not
give up and to continue
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on inviting them
into your home and giving
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them an
environment that they don't
00:26:58.92\00:27:00.55
normally have. For
this type of person and
00:27:00.56\00:27:04.29
we can talk about
more of heart affected
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our family. We'll
have to do that in the
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next program. Thank
you so much for being
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our guest today on
Thinking About Home.
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It feels funny being over here.
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And we're going to
pray as we close the program
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and I wanna pray for
my self and going to pray
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for others who may
be a little bit like me
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that God will give
us greater sense of
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commitment,
catering into hospitality
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and off course
in the next program
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we're gonna talk,
we're gonna flush this
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concept of
hospitality out some more.
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Yes and some other
things that are blessings
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though they may hurt to do it.
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It is developing our
character. Let's pray.
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Yes. Heavenly
Father, Oh God of love and
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the true hospitality.
We pray that this love with
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this compassion that
you have so richly for us,
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that we might have for
others, but Lord we won't
00:27:48.84\00:27:52.36
be afraid to invest
not only of our funds,
00:27:52.37\00:27:55.41
Lord but we may be willing
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to invest the right time.
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