Thinking About Home

How To Be Involved Without Getting Involved

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Participants: Richard O'Ffill, Kathy Matthews

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00:32 Welcome to Thinking About Home, I'm Kathy Matthews
00:34 and I'm glad that you're back with us.
00:37 We have today with us Richard O'Ffill from
00:40 Florida Conference of Seventh-day Adventist.
00:43 And we're just enjoying ourselves on this program
00:45 talking about things of life and family.
00:47 We sure and about, about reality.
00:51 Of course we you know, we can get together
00:52 and talk about an ideal and of course
00:55 we don't wanna lower the stick you know you can
00:57 lower the stick to the point where you don't
00:59 even you can, you can just walk, walk over it.
01:01 Right, we don't want to do that.
01:02 And, and I think of where it says as high as the,
01:04 higher than the highest human thought
01:05 can reach is God's idea for His children.
01:09 So, I think the fact that we have high ideals
01:10 for our self, ourselves doesn't mean that
01:15 that we can't set down and evaluate how are
01:18 we coming along toward that ideal.
01:19 Yes. And, and I know that that in my life
01:23 I missed the mark. And I'm not gonna boast of it,
01:27 I'm not gonna say, well you know, nobody gets it
01:30 and they were all that way and nobody is perfect.
01:33 I'm not perfect, but I wish I was. Yes.
01:37 And I wanna press on toward the mark of the
01:38 high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
01:40 Well, we wouldn't get there, would we?
01:41 wish we were or strife for it? How could you
01:45 hit a target if you don't put one up? Right, right.
01:48 But you and I've been talking in, in the programs
01:53 that we've been together about our children
01:56 and I'm particularly talking as a parent with
02:01 four grown children and with eight grandchildren
02:03 and not really a happy story along the way.
02:07 Now, now you would say, well Dick,
02:10 it sounds like all your children are thugs,
02:12 thieves and criminals. No. And that's not the case.
02:15 Listen, I have children that it couldn't be
02:18 be better. Marriages made in heaven I have
02:22 and I rejoice for that. And I think sometimes
02:25 we need to remind ourselves of this I know
02:29 I need to, but. Keep things in perspective.
02:32 Keep things in perspective but, but you know
02:34 a parent tends to focus on the sick child.
02:36 I understand that. In other words I can have
02:39 ten well children and one sick one and
02:41 guess what I, what I talk to you about.
02:42 Well, but isn't, isn't, doesn't the Lord 99.
02:46 Very good. Right and he went after
02:48 the one that was lost. That's right.
02:49 And there, but keeping things in perspective
02:52 makes me think of something, can I tell it?
02:54 Please. Have you ever heard the story of
02:56 daughter writing home from college?
02:58 Tell us all, remind us. Writing home from
03:02 college and she says, mom I just want to let you
03:04 know that I'm, I'm pregnant now and
03:08 I'm you know, I'm going to get married soon
03:12 and I've been on drugs or you know,
03:14 she lists out all these things. And then she says;
03:18 now none of the above is true I just want to tell,
03:20 tell you that I made a D on my test. You know,
03:23 I just want you to keep things in perspective, so.
03:26 That's so truth. So, she frightened them to death,
03:28 before she brought them back down to reality.
03:30 Because it, it could be worse.
03:31 Yes, it could be worst. And of course, there is
03:33 that another corner saying, I was sitting
03:35 alone, feeling so discourage, suddenly
03:38 a voice came and said, cheer up things
03:40 could be worse. So, I cheered up and sure
03:42 enough things. Things got worse.
03:44 Things going worse. Yes. Things could have
03:46 been worse in the case of Betty and me you know,
03:49 we have this who the Lord has healed, I mean I,
03:53 I should say that the Lord has healed him,
03:55 but it was ten years of drug addiction
03:58 and alcoholism. And, and all the feelings that go
04:02 with that, feelings of guilt and shame and of anger.
04:07 Yes. And of questioning and God will,
04:09 God you know, why is this happening to us and
04:12 wondering how people are feeling about us?
04:15 And, and so the reason I'm telling this and by
04:19 the way, it's with the permission of our boy.
04:21 I'm, I'm not you know. Right.
04:22 Confessing his sins to everybody.
04:25 When I mentioned that I was going to write a book
04:27 and that I would, well I guess ask his permission
04:30 I said, would you mind if I did that?
04:32 he said dad all I put you
04:34 through and that's the least
04:35 I can do, you know. Because it's a story of
04:39 sadness, but it's a story of victory.
04:40 Yes. It's a story of victory.
04:42 And that's gives us hope. But, but five years ago,
04:46 if you'll ask me about it. I didn't have victory
04:49 and I think that this is what we would say to
04:51 the parents and grandparents who might
04:53 be watching this program that you
04:55 might be right in the middle of it.
04:58 And you might feel, oh! There is no hope for us.
05:01 But we never give up. But we, we must not,
05:03 we must not give up. So, how do we get involved?
05:06 Well, listen. Without getting involved.
05:08 Without getting involved, can I tell you
05:09 a little story before this? Right.
05:11 I was asked to speak once at an academy for
05:15 a chapel or something. You know,
05:17 speaking to teenagers. As frightened. Forget it,
05:20 and you know the teenagers in these days,
05:22 teenagers they make these funny sounds like
05:23 ooh ooh ooh ooh, and they wear their
05:25 hats backwards and. Are those teenagers?
05:29 Anyway I was gonna have to speak and
05:31 I didn't know what to talk about 'cause you know
05:33 they, they you know, a teenager can't tell
05:36 wheather we're live or on tape you know,
05:38 and they can't tell whether it's on television
05:39 or real life. Why are you frowning at me?
05:45 Well, no it's just that the reality
05:47 and fantasy blurs. Oh! You know,
05:49 people can actually. Well, I can understand that
05:51 when you're smaller, but this is teenager
05:52 we're talking about. Well you know,
05:53 well let me illustrate we believe in 3ABN television,
05:56 but there are many people who consider that
05:59 that the fantasy of television is real,
06:01 they'll come to the office after
06:02 watching a television program. Oh! Yes, I'm.
06:04 And to them it you know. You can't separate it.
06:06 For many people the, the football game is
06:10 more important than a marriage. Really they'll,
06:12 they'll be more concerned about who's
06:13 gonna win or lose the football game.
06:14 Right, right. Or whether they
06:16 were not stay married. Well, anyway I was
06:19 going to have to speak at. An academy.
06:21 In an academy and so, what am I gonna
06:22 speak about? So, I decided I've got
06:24 I'll do it, I'm gonna do with seminars you know,
06:27 that doesn't sound very exciting, but I decided
06:30 that I would tell them that I was gonna do
06:31 a seminar on how to lose money? It poked up.
06:34 Oh! Listen, so I stood up and I said, you know,
06:37 a lot of businessmen they, they spend a lot of
06:39 money and doing seminars and how to,
06:41 how to make money? I'm gonna do you a
06:43 free seminar and how to, how to lose money,
06:46 how to lose money? You know, you've got to
06:48 make it you know, seem very efficient.
06:50 And so, I said well, well the first way
06:53 to lose money is to neglect it and then I
06:56 told them how, where there's less inflation
06:59 I have, I have actually some Peruvian money
07:02 that used to be worth $37,000, seven years
07:05 later it was worth like pennies.
07:07 So, in other words if you just struck that $37,000
07:10 under your bed, pulled it out seven years
07:13 later pennies you see,
07:15 so when we lose money is neglected.
07:17 Another way to lose money is to abandon
07:18 it you know, put it on the table,
07:20 finders keepers losers weepers.
07:22 And of course another way lose money is to
07:23 waste it and I told him, how I'd been to weddings
07:26 overseas for they were throwing money
07:28 to all the visitors and everything.
07:30 And so, I said the seminar is over,
07:33 how do you like it? They smiled on me and I said,
07:36 now I'm gonna do another seminar and it's gonna
07:38 be a how to lose your girlfriend?
07:40 Oh! They really sat up straight.
07:41 Now, we're gonna really see. And I told them
07:44 it was really the same as losing money that
07:46 she would be, it would neglect her,
07:49 that you would abandoned her, or that
07:51 would be unfaithful to her and you know I,
07:54 told a little you know, five minute seminar.
07:56 I said that seminar is over, how'd you like it?
07:58 We loved it. I said, now the next seminar is
08:01 how to lose the Jesus as a friend? Of course,
08:04 it would be the same, the same kind of points
08:06 as losing your girlfriend. So, I finished and they,
08:09 they just, they just enjoy that they shook
08:11 my hand, I felt so good I felt like
08:13 I should be a youth leader.
08:15 I should go into youth ministry.
08:16 Yeah, you'd have been successful.
08:19 And so, believe it or not the revival week went on
08:22 and, and came Sabbath and they said,
08:24 Pastor O'Ffill would you like to go and talk
08:25 to the youth again? I felt, oh! I really not,
08:28 but anyway no, no it's just hard to
08:30 speak to youth sometimes, and so.
08:32 You don't have any trouble. Well, anyway
08:34 it's its anguish and so, I walked in the room
08:38 and I said, you remember me? And they said,
08:41 well we sure we remember you; you're the one
08:43 that talk to us in chapel on Monday.
08:45 And I said, you remember what I talked about?
08:49 And they said, you told us how to lose money?
08:51 And I said how was that? And they said, neglect it,
08:54 abandon it or waste it. Boy, I couldn't believe
08:57 my ears; I began to feel really good.
09:00 And then I said, what else can I talk about?
09:04 And they said, how to lose your girlfriend?
09:08 And I said, how did you do that? They said,
09:10 the same way as losing money.
09:12 I was really feeling, I seriously,
09:14 I felt, I felt so gratified.
09:17 I said, what else did I talk about? You know,
09:20 there was nothing they, they said nothing.
09:22 I said come on; I said that was the point.
09:25 Remember it was how to lose Jesus as a friend.
09:27 Right, right. They said, we don't remember.
09:31 So, what did you? Well, you know,
09:33 it made me realize that when I was talking about
09:35 money and about girlfriends I was
09:38 answering a question, a concerned that they had.
09:41 Something they were involved in.
09:43 But when I was talking about Jesus they,
09:44 they weren't involved in that.
09:46 And I thought you know life's like that.
09:48 They taught you a lesson. Well, basically,
09:52 basically we're hearing what our questions are?
09:55 And we're hearing what our concerns are?
09:57 And so, even in these programs.
09:59 We pick up on it. Whether you and I are doing
10:00 you see, you know, they could hear you and I talk
10:03 about children, but maybe the
10:04 person who has no children. They could say,
10:06 well I don't know what they're talking about.
10:07 Yeah, right. You see, now we're I don't, but,
10:09 but really if you're in the middle of it.
10:11 Then you're interested. Then you're interested
10:13 because, because you and I mentioned earlier,
10:16 I'm not looking for people who never been through
10:19 what I've been through. And now I wish
10:23 I had been through it, but I'm looking for people
10:25 who have been through it and who have made it,
10:27 who have made it. And so, and so we're not
10:30 looking for people who don't know
10:31 what it's like to be tempted.
10:32 A people who don't let, know what it's like
10:34 to be tested, how to be tried. People who,
10:37 who don't know what it's like to suffer,
10:38 but people who have, who have suffered
10:39 and have been tested.
10:41 Yes, who we gravitate toward. But who have,
10:44 but who have victorious. Yes, that's what we want.
10:46 We know how to lose? That's not easy just
10:49 do nothing you lose. We want to know
10:51 how to win. Yes. We're winning; I want to know
10:53 how to win? Well you know, this is an,
10:55 an issue that that comes up that you mentioned,
10:57 it's a title of our program, how to be
11:00 involved without getting involved?
11:03 Well, shall we take that on? Yeah, well.
11:06 But you know, I'm just thinking to myself
11:09 you know, is there an easy answer to that?
11:11 No. I don't think there's an easy answer.
11:13 In fact, it sounds like a contradiction of terms,
11:16 but I've got a couple of more stories,
11:18 you mind if I tell you these, no, these stories?
11:20 We enjoy your stories.
11:21 You know, isn't life about a story?
11:23 That that ultimately even a lesson is as good as
11:26 a story, if a picture is worth of thousand words
11:30 and a story is got to be worth.
11:31 Well, and that's how Jesus talked?
11:32 Well, a whole lot. Well, I'm almost ashamed
11:34 to tell you this story Kathy I don't know,
11:39 if you've discovered about us men you know,
11:41 you're married to Tom. Well, it depends on what?
11:44 And, and see we. What apart about men
11:46 you're talking about? We men, we men
11:48 if you haven't learned yet. We're very methodical,
11:51 we're problem solvers. Yes. Now, now you
11:54 women are spontaneous. Except when it comes to
11:56 asking directions and you just don't want to
11:58 do that, but anyway, anyway I've notice that
12:01 when it comes Christmas time, see that's
12:03 when I have, this is when you'll see the
12:04 difference between a man and a woman because
12:07 I don't have, well let me, let me show you.
12:10 At Christmas time I don't have a clue
12:11 as to what, what to buy my wife.
12:14 I want to ask my wife what she wants,
12:16 but if I have to ask her, I don't love her.
12:20 I'm supposed to guess, I'm supposed to guess.
12:23 And so, whatever it is, is supposed to be
12:24 a token of my love. Give me a break I can't,
12:27 I just can't, I can't imagine
12:29 what to buy my wife. Now, see what I wish
12:31 you would do? You see, honey you know,
12:34 what I want for Christmas.
12:35 It just makes it easy for you. I will feel so manly,
12:37 I would feel so husbandly, I'm suppose to guess.
12:41 Anyway on the flip side of that,
12:44 I wish she'd ask me what I want for Christmas.
12:47 No, she doesn't want to ask. So, she pays me
12:49 another shirt, another tie, I don't want
12:52 anymore shirts, I don't want anymore,
12:54 I want a tool, I want a tool. A hammer,
12:59 there is a nice side there cause Tom,
13:02 Tom's always going somewhere, I'm going
13:04 to look at hammers that's his standard answer,
13:07 doesn't matter if he's going to look at hammers
13:08 or not, but. But anyway you know,
13:10 that's the difference, in other words see
13:11 we men are very methodical see.
13:13 And so, the story I'm about to tell you was,
13:16 was I just said, I was gonna be romantic.
13:19 Now, you know in the sort of organized way,
13:22 it was gonna be a valentines day.
13:24 So, I decided I'm gonna do something really romantic.
13:29 All for the right reasons. Oh! Absolutely,
13:31 and so I thought I'm gonna take my wife
13:33 out to eat, original right. No. And so,
13:38 this is maybe a week in advance I walk up to and
13:40 I said, honey valentines coming next week.
13:43 And why don't we go out to eat?
13:45 I felt so spontaneous, so organized.
13:49 And she said lets don't. And you tried.
13:52 She said, let's just exchange cards.
13:56 And Kathy you know, that hit me like a ton
13:59 ton of bricks. Now, I don't know if all men
14:02 are like I'm but, but getting a nerve to ask
14:04 a girl out you know, when I was in
14:05 high school was really hard.
14:07 You don't like the rejection.
14:08 And to be turned down. Oh! This is just
14:10 you know, a rejection of one's person
14:13 I would say, I took it too seriously.
14:15 So, here I'm asking my wife out for
14:17 Valentines Day, sweetheart's day.
14:20 She's turning me down, I got a flashback.
14:25 Anyway, anyway, anyway, you know
14:26 I want to tell you what I really did I got
14:28 furious, I got furious. When I get really mad
14:32 I don't cuss or thrown like this.
14:34 You just get quiet. In my stomach.
14:36 That's called the silent night you know.
14:39 I begin to get this, this really and,
14:42 and I thought to myself, so you just want
14:44 us to exchange cards, do you?
14:46 I'll do you one better than that?
14:48 Do all men think like you. I thought I want to
14:52 teach you a lesson, so I'm not even gonna
14:54 give you a card and you're gonna wonder
14:56 why you didn't get a card.
14:58 And I'm gonna tell you it's because
15:00 I asked you out to eat and you wouldn't do it.
15:04 I was mad, I really was, I was so,
15:06 I was so insulted. So, anyway but I,
15:11 but I never showed it, I would smiling on,
15:13 she never knew what's going on.
15:15 And so, the day, couple of days past and this was a.
15:18 You have changed. So, anyway a couple of
15:22 days passed, but this is still in my head
15:24 and when I thinking about it 'cause I'm mad,
15:25 see I want to teach you a lesson.
15:27 And suddenly it occurred to me you know,
15:28 maybe if you're really gonna get even with her,
15:32 I think there's a better way.
15:34 She's gonna get you a card, why don't
15:36 you get her some flowers? Do one better,
15:39 really make her look bad. It's that awful? Yes.
15:42 Isn't that awful? I feel so ashamed and anyway
15:47 I liked that one better than do nothing.
15:49 And I held on to that plan and so the
15:52 Valentines Day came and where we worked,
15:56 our buildings were kind of in front of each other,
15:58 kind of across the street.
15:59 And so, she goes to work before I do
16:02 and so she went to work and then I went to
16:04 the supermarket and I brought a little thing
16:06 she could settle in these desk, you know,
16:07 on her desk a little flower there.
16:09 And, and I, I took it to her, her office,
16:12 but I didn't want to see her because I was mad,
16:15 I'm teaching her a lesson.
16:17 Can I believe what I'm saying? No.
16:19 No, isn't this crazy? You know, the scripture
16:21 tells us at the heart of you know, you know,
16:24 broken homes, broken homes have a reason.
16:26 Yes. And, and the reason I even tell this
16:28 story is because, because it's about what
16:30 we are unless we have the Jesus get in and,
16:32 and make us different. Yes.
16:34 And so, I walked into the lobby there to
16:37 the receptionist and I'm carrying these flowers
16:39 and I say to the receptionist and these
16:41 are for Betty and she smiled, she thought
16:44 that was so romantic and I said,
16:46 would you tell her they're here you know,
16:48 I don't want to face her. And the receptionist
16:52 said she is not here. She's across the street
16:54 at the conference office, where I work?
16:58 And I thought I didn't see her.
17:00 And so, I leave the flowers there and I
17:04 cross the street and I go back to my office and,
17:07 and I don't meet her in other words.
17:10 We don't come face to face, but let me
17:14 tell you I walk into my office there on my
17:19 desk is a package and a love note.
17:24 I wouldn't get one package and one love
17:27 note that day; I would get at least three or four.
17:32 And what was her motive? Well you know,
17:35 when I think of this. Well, I'm thinking,
17:37 but you know, we found guile,
17:38 what was her present? She didn't mean
17:40 anything and in fact, in fact I was telling
17:42 this story in Churches before I ever
17:45 talked to her about it. And when she heard
17:47 me tell at the first time because I felt so
17:49 ashamed for myself then she said, oh!
17:52 Honey, when I said let's just exchange cards
17:55 I didn't mean anything by that?
17:58 I just didn't want to bother you.
18:00 In other words that was kind of a sweet little
18:02 love jester, she were just being
18:04 loving and not demanding. And here me well I'm mad.
18:08 Well, you wanted to take her out to dinner or not
18:10 you're kind of known for not spending a lot of
18:12 money and she was trying to be nice to you.
18:14 Has Betty been talking to you. You. But Kathy,
18:19 the reason I tell the story is because when
18:21 you look at where we end up sometimes,
18:27 we didn't just fall there or drop into that.
18:29 It's a lot of little things. We went there
18:32 and when I saw that happen I thought
18:35 you know, a divorce is not an accident,
18:37 it's a series of bad moves.
18:41 And although she did one on me that day,
18:43 she got me four presents to
18:44 some crummy little flowers. Yes.
18:47 What would have been like if I had done nothing,
18:50 nothing, nothing. I'm so ashamed of myself.
18:54 But you know, when I look back on that,
18:56 I'm so thankful that she forgave me,
18:59 she never know anything was happening.
19:01 But Jesus didn't give up on me.
19:05 Now, but how do we get, how do get now,
19:08 how you're going to bring this into how to
19:10 get involved without getting involved?
19:12 Well, because you see I think there were all
19:14 acting and reacting on each other.
19:17 In other words, in other words you see
19:18 I really wasn't thinking about
19:20 Betty that Valentine's Day.
19:22 I was really thinking about me.
19:24 This really wasn't Betty's Sweetheart Day.
19:28 This was big selfish Dick O'Ffill. It was wrong,
19:34 it was wrongly driven you see and so,
19:36 and so you know, how can we pull ourselves apart?
19:41 So, that you know with our children,
19:42 of course our children now some of them are
19:45 making us proud, but others are disappointing us.
19:51 Because they're not meeting our expectations
19:52 and I'm sure they're not even
19:54 meeting God's expectations.
19:55 No. But, but, but how can I, how can I take the
20:00 focus off me and really care about them?
20:05 In other words, that Valentine's Day
20:06 was not about Betty, it was about me.
20:08 I see. I was gonna be hurt.
20:11 And so, if I was hurt I was gonna teach her a lesson.
20:15 And I, and I. And so, when parents when some times
20:17 children hurt parents? And we're hurt. Right.
20:21 Then we go back and teach them a lesson
20:22 in such a way. See we can do that see. Yeah.
20:25 And so, and so I think in my mind, I think
20:29 the challenge we have is, is to really,
20:32 is to really be thinking of our children.
20:36 In other words, instead of ourselves.
20:39 Supposing that my child leaves the
20:41 Church as my boy did. I'm thinking oh!
20:45 Man this makes me look bad. Oh! You know,
20:47 what is the conference gonna think of me.
20:48 You know, they're gonna think I'm a hypocrite,
20:50 they're gonna think I'm no good, I'm a failure.
20:53 Well, why wouldn't I've been thinking oh!
20:56 God, look at my boy, You died to save him.
20:59 Wouldn't be talking about my parenting skills?
21:01 Now, obviously I can say oh! Lord you know, I
21:05 maybe I wasn't what I ought to have been,
21:07 but at that time that's no time to go back
21:09 and mix that up again. And but to really
21:13 care about him. See, I really wasn't
21:15 caring about Betty that day.
21:18 I was caring about me. Right. I was gonna
21:20 teach her a lesson and make myself look good.
21:23 And so, as we relate to our, to our grown
21:28 children and of course they're gonna marry who
21:31 they wanna marry? Now, see this brings up
21:33 a subject and I don't know 'cause your girls
21:35 are gonna take that up one day. By the way,
21:38 I told, I told Sarah one time and I think
21:41 she already knew. I said, Sarah you know your
21:44 husband's out there some place. Yes.
21:45 You remember we did that. Yes, yeah and
21:46 she talked to me about. I said, Sarah your
21:49 husband's out there at some place.
21:51 You don't know what his name is, or where he lives?
21:53 But why not start praying for him now. Right.
21:56 It was a little teenage girl taught me that.
21:59 She said, one day I was driving along in my car
22:02 and I thought my husband's out there some place.
22:05 And we're not talking about boy crazy. No.
22:07 We're talking about reality. Right, right
22:09 nothing wrong and taking a long lines of
22:11 having a good home.
22:12 And so, and you have two girls. Right.
22:14 So, somewhere the Lord willing, there are two
22:17 boys that are gonna one day marry your
22:20 two girls and they're gonna your boys.
22:23 Are you praying for your two girls?
22:24 I think maybe you could expect.
22:26 For those two boys somewhere. Yeah.
22:28 Oh! Well, we do, we have. And to pray for
22:30 their families and because, because when
22:33 families are married and you know we unite,
22:35 we unite our, our. Can I tell you about a
22:38 little incident and doing that? Please do.
22:40 I don't know if there is enough time for that.
22:41 Sure. We were exercising here a while
22:44 back and it was a Friday afternoon and we wanted
22:46 to get ready for Sabbath.
22:48 We were gonna have our Sabbath alone,
22:49 it's just Sarah and I. And others had gone
22:53 off to a crusade meeting that Sarah,
22:55 see Tom and Rachel had gone off to do that,
22:57 so we were alone together. And we came
22:59 back down in a Country Road and there was a
23:02 a beaver pond and a rock out there.
23:04 And we were gonna have sun down worship,
23:05 Friday evening worship there on the rock together.
23:08 And that happened to be moon coming up that
23:11 night and we sat out there and talked for a
23:13 while until the sun went down.
23:15 And our prayer had that in it, somewhere out
23:18 here there's in this world, there is probably
23:21 a young man. Yes. Maybe praying under
23:23 this moonlight. And that brought tears to her
23:26 eyes and she said it's forever burned in my
23:28 mind looking at the moon, seeing the water
23:31 and or prayer there on the rock together and that
23:33 something that was, that's we have and
23:36 we do pray about that. Now, can I make the
23:39 plot thicken a little bit? Yes. You have this,
23:43 the privilege of praying for these future
23:46 sons-in-law sort of from a clean slate.
23:50 I've got former daughter-in-law,
23:54 I've got sons-in-law and, if you would ask me
23:58 to tell you the story of all that went on,
24:02 maybe my children were you know to blame
24:06 sometimes when you know, really to blame
24:08 other times maybe not to blame so much.
24:12 I've had in my own heart Kathy to fight
24:15 bitterness and resentment towards my former
24:18 daughter-in-law, let's just to
24:20 name something specific. Who I really think
24:23 and the poor thing really you know, at that time of
24:26 her life really crashed and burned.
24:28 And that's when we got left with the little girl
24:30 to raise for five years. And but I got to
24:35 thinking to myself, one day I thought you know,
24:36 I've got to pray for this woman.
24:39 Because if I'm gonna pray for her daughter
24:41 you see, you see even though our children
24:43 get divorced you know and I said her, oh!
24:46 It's not a former son-in-law.
24:48 I said son you and I are related forever,
24:50 you my not be the husband of my daughter,
24:53 but you're always be my boy
24:56 because of the children. Right. So, therefore
25:00 I can't forget him, for 20 years from now
25:04 I've got to continually pray for him. Right.
25:06 Because though, they're legally the marriage
25:08 was dissolved, the fat they have children
25:10 together binds us forever together. Right.
25:14 And I think this is meant a lot to me because
25:15 I think at times when I think of those divorces
25:19 and I felt bitterness and why did they do that
25:21 and, but then I thought, if I'm going to pray
25:23 for Andrea. Which is getting involved?
25:26 I think exactly right, I've got so I can't see
25:30 who you're gonna marry, or when you're gonna
25:31 come on marriage? But I've got to be there,
25:35 I've got to be there, I can't just say I'm not
25:36 gonna look anymore or you know,
25:38 forget you because we can't forget.
25:41 Now, we're bound together with cords
25:43 that will never be broken.
25:45 And it's done so much for me.
25:48 I've found myself lately praying,
25:50 if I told you this you know, it's will be an
25:52 x rated thing because I've been going through
25:53 something just horrible and if I told you
25:57 the story, you would say, oh! Dick that's,
25:59 that's awful, did you call the police? Yeah.
26:01 But I'm actually having the pray for my enemies,
26:03 my enemies these forces that have
26:06 destroyed our homes. Right. The homes of
26:09 our children. Right. But I know that as
26:12 I pray for my enemies that my own
26:14 heart is softened. Right, so without getting
26:18 involved in an angry manner.
26:19 So, that I could go on my life. Right.
26:20 So I could go on my life. So, I can't make
26:24 my children's decisions, but I've got to be
26:26 there, I got to pray that the Lord is giving
26:28 me the love and compaction and
26:31 the Spirit of forgiveness because that provides
26:33 stability, our children maybe going like this.
26:35 But we can't be. But we've got to someway,
26:37 we've got to begin the love without and
26:39 get it straight. Amen. And I believe Jesus
26:42 it is doing that I know He is doing for us.
26:44 Well, He's trying to get us ready for heaven.
26:46 Yes, yes. What you think? And we've got
26:48 to let Him do it. So, we're praying,
26:52 Lord keep Your mansions, we don't really mean that.
26:55 No not in the. But we do mean it when we say
26:58 Lord the most important thing for us, yeah,
27:01 is our children please Jesus, please save us.
27:04 Please save our children and that what's the,
27:05 the theme of all of this has been, yes it is,
27:08 Lord please save our children.
27:09 Keeps your mansions, save our children.
27:10 And I believe He is. There is a scripture
27:12 that comes to mind. And that's let us
27:15 not be weary in well doing: for in due season
27:18 we shall reap, if we faint not. Amen.
27:20 And I want to invite our viewers again
27:23 to join us next time and we'll be asking
27:26 Pastor O'Ffill to join as well. And I'd like to
27:29 ask you to pray for us, please pray for us
27:31 at home as well. Heavenly Father,
27:34 we're thankful that we got to be parents.
27:37 And Lord help us not to get tired
27:39 and not to get weary in well-doing.
27:42 But to pray and to continue to pray with
27:44 all our hearts and even praying for some
27:46 daughters-in-laws and sons-in-law who are,
27:49 who are no longer part of the family
27:51 that we might reach out with our hearts
27:53 and then our home in every way
27:55 might be healed, so that we can be
27:57 together, if not here at least when Jesus.


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