Welcome back to
"Thinking About Home."
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I'm Kathy Matthews and I'm glad
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that you've join us
again. We have been talking
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about experiencing
God's power through prayer
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and we have with us
again Jerry and Janet Page
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from the Central
California Conference
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and I would just like
to go over a little bit of
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your background.
Well, you are the president
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of the Central
California Conference correct?
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I plead guilty,
and Janet you were with
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Woman's Ministries
and a Prayer Ministry?
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Yeah, just for
those who haven't seen
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you here before? And
we have been going over
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some of your spiritual
journey and I would like
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to just review
that for a second,
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Jerry you went
through a time, you were raise
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in a Christian home
but you went through
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the time of
rebellion and it's a burden
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for you in our life
isn't it to get people to
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pray and because
it was so important
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how your family
prayed for you, and
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how the Lord
apprehended you wasn't that so.
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Yeah, intercessory
prayers changed my life
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my parents got
some may be were praying
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for me then my wife at
another point in her life
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after she was
reviewed that much a woman
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praying for me and it
had change my life so,
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amen. You know, it
just it's a passion we have
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if we pray for each
another it changes lives.
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And that's what we
are gonna talk about today
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intercessory prayer
right? Intercessory prayer
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and how it can
change our families?
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So, you have little funny story
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you tell me about
someone name Tony.
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Yeah, Tony Campolo
some of the folks probably
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know him. He is
a dynamic speaker
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and he was at a
college to speak to a bunch
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of young theology
people and eight guys
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got him in a
backroom begin to pray over
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and they put their
hands on his head. Really?
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And he said you know I
don't mind people praying
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over me I will need
all the prayer I can get,
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but he said they
were, eight guys they got
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on their hands on
my head and they begin
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to pray then they prayed long,
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he said the longer
they prayed more they begin
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to lean on my
head. So, I was thinking
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when this gonna be
over but he said one
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of the guys wasn't
he even praying for me.
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He was praying for some
guy in Charlie Stoltzfus
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and he was going
and waxing eloquent,
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he was saying Lord
helped Charlie Stoltzfus.
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You know, he left his
wife and his three kids
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this morning and do
something Lord step in
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intervene save that family.
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And he said he went
on and on and every time
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he would always say
now Lord you remember
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Charlie lives a mile
down the road in the right
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hand side in the
silver trader, and Tony says
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I felt like saying
what do you think the Lord
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is asking what his a
dress was or something,
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so anyway this went on
and on he said he prayed
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and prayed and
finally they quit, I preached
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got in my car and
headed out towards the
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Pennsylvania Turnpike.
He said there was hitchhiker
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standing at the
beyond ramp waiting to get on
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and he said I know
you're not supposed
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to pick up hitchhiker's,
but I am a preacher,
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I love to get
somebody captive in my car,
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so he picked him up,
started down the road
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he said hi my name
is Tony and he said
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and he said what's your name?
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And the guy said my
name is what do you think?
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Oh Charlie. Yeah it's
Charlie Stoltzfus. Really.
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And so Tony's eyes
got big and then he said
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at the next exit he
got off and begin to turn
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around then the
guys eyes got big
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and said hey mister
where are you taking me?
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And he said I'm
taking you home, really.
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And he said why
are you taking me home?
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He said because
you left your wife
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and your three kids
this morning didn't you?
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Oh! He must he
thought he was a prophet
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or he thought. The guy said yeah
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how did you know that?
And he said God told me.
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And you know I believe
God did tell him, right.
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In, prayer, united
prayer as little praying God
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communicate with
Tony something, he need to
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know it reminds me
Jeremiah 33:3 which says,
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Call to Me, and I will
answer you and show you
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great and mighty
things, which you do not know.
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Amen, we found not
only as God wants us to pray
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for each other to
help our families but then
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he will show us
things as we pray together
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that will help us
work for our families.
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Anyway Tony gets off the next,
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heads down the
road a mile to the right
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hand side of the
trailer, posing to drive
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and the guy says how
did you know I live here?
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Same answer God told
me. His wife comes out
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and says you are back,
you are back what happened?
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And so he was little
bit hurry, her eyes get big
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like his are big.
Tony says now listen
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you two get in the
house you sit down,
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I'm gonna talk and
you are gonna listen,
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oh wow. And he said
it was like E.F. Hutton,
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and they listened and
he said that afternoon
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he led those two young
people with Jesus Christ
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and that guy is a preacher in
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California today,
amen. So, anyway we're just
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excited with you know
if we will get together
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in pray intercede God
will show us how to work
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for a families and love
ones and people all listen.
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Amen. One thing I
was gonna share with you
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in the previous
program I didn't get to, right.
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It is a
statement from Fifth volume
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of the testimonies.
The Augustine's mother
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I think we
talked about. Yes it is,
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and it's really
the ABC's of prayer
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which in my life,
Janet's life is we found that
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it's still true the
ABC's payer. It says the,
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God is pleased with
the faith that takes Him
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at His Word. The
mother of Augustine prayed
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for his son's
conversion. She saw no evidence
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that the Spirit of God
was impressing his heart,
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but she was not discouraged.
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She laid her finger
upon the text presenting
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before God his own
words, and pleaded as only
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a mother can.
Her deep humiliation,
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her earnest importunities,
her unwavering faith,
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prevailed, and the
Lord gave her the desire
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of her heart. Today
he is just as ready to
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listen to the
petitions of his people.
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His "hand is not shortened,
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that it cannot save;
neither his ear heavy,
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that it cannot hear;"
and if Christian parents
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seek him earnestly,
he will fill their mouths
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with arguments,
and, for his name's sake,
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will work mightily
in their behalf in the
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conversion of
their children. Oh amen,
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that's promises
all through scripture,
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all through the spirit
of prophecy that prayer
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works and if we will
unite together in prayer,
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one person and
another person or family
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member that God
will work in their lives.
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And he will fill their
amounts with arguments?
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That's right, for the
Lord. For the Lord to be
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able to do,
whatever he needs to do,
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it open doors for him.
Amen, well lets move to
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you Janet, you have a
lot of stories it seems
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like that's where
after you experienced
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and realizing that
you needed the Lord much
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more in our life. And
you are asking take charge,
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it was the take charge
of this women's retreat?
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Yeah may be lead.
And after that took place
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that you have a lot
of stories that really
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show how God has
worked in lives as
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a result of intercessory prayer.
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Yes it has made a
big difference for me,
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the story I
shared before about how
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my life was changed.
I realize sometime after
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that why that
happened, Jerry had become the
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President of a
Conference right about the time
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when the whole
experience happen for me.
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And when he become
the President it came me
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to people kept
coming up congratulating me,
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how that feel be
the first lady all this,
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I hate, I hate that
kind of things it's very
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I don't want to get
and but towards the end
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of the week people
starting to coming up
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and saying will you
have committed ourselves
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to pray for you
and Jerry everyday.
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They attended a
seminar by the day walk
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with on the Holy
Spirit. And how important
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it was pray for the
Holy Spirit to be in your
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Leaders lives. So,
they've come and tell me
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they're gonna pray
for us, well I thought,
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well thank you but no
big deal, does prayer really
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make that big
difference, I've always heard
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prayer just
changes us when we pray not
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other people,
right. That is not true,
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that is not true
it does change us,
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but it also changes
other people. Amen to that.
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And people
starting to coming up to me
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we are in a
different church every week
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and they would come
up and say we're praying
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for you and Jerry
and I go oh thank you.
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Not thinking it
was any big deal,
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but two years later
after they have been doing
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that my life
was totally changed,
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just turned upside down.
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And you definitely
related to that back
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to their prayers. It
definitely and I realize
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there is a power
in praying for others,
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that's right. And that
is just given me a real
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passion to pray for
others, to pray with
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others and to
watch lives be changed
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it really is
exciting, amen. I had one lady,
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you had something?
You take a deep breath.
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I had one lady
call me up I didn't know
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that well, and tell
me that she want to out
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off a marriage, she
want to get divorce,
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she would
married about 32 years.
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And I just thinking,
you know I'm not a marriage
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counselor what I'm gonna do?
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And is I was pray in
silently about her what
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she's talking, yes. I
felt like God saying Janet
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get together with
her and start praying.
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Get together once a
week, so I said you know
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I'm not a marriage
counselor but I be willing
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to get together
and we do pray about
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your marriage. Yes,
and we could meet maybe
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once a week for
20 minutes or so.
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And she was
willing? Yeah she said
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oh I love that.
So, we got to together
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and first it was Lord
please help my husband,
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please help my
husband, oh God he needs
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this and he needs
that and on and on.
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And gradually just
gently I started trying to get
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her to focus more on God and
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how wonderful God
is, that's right and
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to praise him. But,
also encouraging her
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to get into a
relationship with God.
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And it was amazing how
our prayer time's change
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from so much focus
on her husband needed
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to change, to her
focus on just how much
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she loved God and
praise and adoration
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for who he is. And that
would be the by beholding
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you become changed
principle wouldn't it?
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Yeah, I would think so sure.
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We also started
praying very specifically too
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which I think is
important and that was things
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like Lord let him see
his wife the way you do,
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let him love his
wife the way you do,
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let her love her
husband the way you do,
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or let them you know.
That's beautiful thought,
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I'm sorry I just
think of how to change from
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the complaint to let
them love like you do,
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that's pretty deep and that's a
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different focus all
together I like that.
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Well, he, he really started;
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he saw difference in
her because she started
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glowing and looking
happy, and he started
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saying wanted to be around her.
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And for two people
who would never together
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they started being
together like this,
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and started praying
together and it just,
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it change their
lives. Powerful results
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and it didn't happen over night,
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we pray together
day, week after week,
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and we'd once a
week for many months
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before we
started seeing changes.
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So, that is to
encourage just not to look for
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something just
right away, that's right.
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One things that
happens too that when you get
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a group together
you start praying
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for your kids,
or whatever it is.
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You can count on
things will get worse.
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Just count on
things will get worse,
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yes, that's right.
But, it's really a time to
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praise God to give
thanksgiving because
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we told in Isaiah God's
way is not our ways, yes.
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His thoughts are
high in our thoughts
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and he is working we
can know that because
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scripture tells us
that he is when we pray.
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So, we need to step out
in faith and to believe it.
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We cancel so many
of our prayers at least
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I know I do, by
doubting and saying getting
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discourage oh you
know nothing is happening.
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It's stopping the prayer, yeah.
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The, go ahead I'm sorry.
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No it's alright, I
just gonna said that
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they are so many
promises in scripture,
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so many in the
spirit of prophecy that
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if we will unite
together and pray over somebody
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says an angel
ascent and answer to every
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honest prayer faith,
God can give us things
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they can't give
us if we do pray.
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And you know even my
testimony were people,
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lot of people
praying for me, other people
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can say well what
about so and so who wasn't
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prayed for and what
about the evenness of
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prayers for people
but God has to figure
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all that out, all I
know was that in scripture
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he is told us, much
to pray to perceiver
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and that we see it
working and then maybe
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40 years or it maybe 4 months or
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maybe 4 minutes. But,
God works in a powerful
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way and her amount
experience with my sister
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I had a wonderful
sister who helped raise me
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she is a
wonderful lady but, really,
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she had a husband
name Bob that she love
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dearly and he got
liver cancer and by the time
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they discovered it,
metastasis very seriously
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and my sister been
active in the church
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somewhat in create
a role and things but,
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you know I had
been totally unfair for
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the Lord. This is
something it's really
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she said Lord you
got to give me this,
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you got to save my husband Bob,
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you got to heal him. Bob
wasn't healed physically,
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he died a few months
later but he had not been
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a professed
Christian and on his dead bed
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accepted Jesus so I
think he was healed, amen,
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for eternity,
especially spiritually. Yeah,
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of course, but my
sister it kinda send
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her back you know
she felt why didn't God
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save my husband I needed him,
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you know now I'm alone
and she became somewhat
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bitter and disturbed
from God for a while.
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And it's amazing
after year or two,
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I was really
concerned about my sister,
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I felt intensely
urged by God to pray
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and so I begin to
pray and clam this promise.
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1st John 5:16 which
is one of those beautiful
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promises it says: If
anyone sees his brother,
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put sister, wife,
kid, anyone, sinning a sin
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which does not lead to death,
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I take that as
an unpardonable sin,
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he may ask, and the
Lord will give him life
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for those who commit
sin not leading to death.
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So, I begin putting my
had right on that promise
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and praying for my
sister Carol and saying
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God give her life,
bring something into her life
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that are really change
her and help her see you
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as you are and open
her eyes and I was thinking
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bring her a man God,
and bring her new husband
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somebody who really be on fire.
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Interest thing happen
though, now only after
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that her friend her is
became deeply converted,
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God involved him
in ministries and
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she started sending
my sister every morning
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out of her devotional
life, I know the thought
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and spiritual
encouragement whenever
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and it's happened
for well over a year
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and it really
broke my sister's heart
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and she came to
Jesus, she is active today
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working at Union
College and ministering
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the people, oh good.
You it's one of those
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examples in my life of
calming the promise put
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your hand on it and
well watching God answer,
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and He always gonna answer.
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And that, what I
said a moment ago just not
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giving up, not
losing encouragement
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or not losing our
courage it just because
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we don't see it immediately.
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You got lot more
stories that show
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intercessory
prayer how it's answered.
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One thing I've find
it makes a difference too
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is to pray and ask God
what scripture can I claim
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for this person, and
I know I have done with
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my sons and it
just powerful when God
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especially gives you
that scripture to claim
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for them. What
scriptures do you claim for me?
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There are some
I'm sure, I'm not sure
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she was not
ready to answer that.
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No I wasn't, the
we had a group that
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was getting together
to pray for camp meeting,
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for the woman's we had
like this early morning
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woman's meeting we
did, and this one lady kept
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bringing up about
her husband so you know
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I came into the
church through him and yeah
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and yeah he doesn't
want to go to church,
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he is not a
spiritual leader in the home
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and he won't go to camp
meeting, could you please
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pray for him to
go to camp meeting.
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And to be a
spiritual leader, so we started
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praying for that,
praying God get him
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to camp meeting, get
him to be that spiritual
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leader in the home and
camp meeting came around.
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Some way we wouldn't
want to pray it give like
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he was spiritual
leader, but I think that's
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fascinating payer
that she wanted him to be a
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spiritual leader,
that's right I'm glad
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to hear that. Camp
meeting came around
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and it didn't
happen he wouldn't go,
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and so we start to again
planning for the next year
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and the biggest part
of planning for us to pray
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together what does
God want to have happen,
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and as we pray she
again brought it up,
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will you please
pray for my husband to be
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the spiritual leader,
do wanna go a camp meeting,
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do wanna to go to
church. To pray with me,
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that he would
wanna pray with me,
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so this time we got
smart and we just stayed
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silent before the
Lord and said God how do
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you want us to
pray? How do we pray
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for this man you
know we've tried our way
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how do we pray? And I
think that so important
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we are so quick to
give God what we think needs
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to happen, but how
much more we need to wait,
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and say Lord how should we pray?
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What scripture should we clam?
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Like a disciples
said. And we found like God
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was leading us to
pray that it would be put
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in his mind, that
he wanted to go to
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camp meeting, why
that was important being
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a man I'm not
sure, but that's what
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we started praying,
God will put in his mind
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will about three
weeks or so later,
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he now it was
actually as longer and that
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was several months
later, he came into the
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kitchen came home for working
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and he is scratching
his forehead like he is not
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sure where these
thoughts coming from
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and he said you
know, I want to go to camp
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meeting, I can
get time off from work
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and I can brought so
and so this trailer could
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we go to camp meeting, wow,
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and she called me
up oh I was exciting
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he wants to go to camp meeting.
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I said great sending
the application because
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we fill up, she said
no, no when he comes down
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toward he won't want to go.
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I said but God's
answered your prayer send it in.
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But, she wouldn't do
it, she put it on the front
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of the refrigerator
with magnets and it set there
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for several weeks.
Till finally one day
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he noticed that he
said isn't the application
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for camp meeting?
And she said yeah,
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he said what's it
doing here why don't
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you send it in? And
she said while we sure
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that what I came down to it,
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you wouldn't want
to go to camp meeting.
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He said of course I
want to go to send it in.
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She was a praying
woman and I believe that
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God was impressing her to wait,
00:16:05.60\00:16:07.11
wait until not I don't think
00:16:07.48\00:16:09.52
she understood why,
but was impressing her
00:16:09.59\00:16:11.38
to wait till was
really his idea that
00:16:11.39\00:16:13.31
he wanted to go
camp meeting, amen.
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So, they came but
after the first weekend
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she comes up to me
with her arms crossed
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haven't for saying
fine he is here camp meeting
00:16:19.17\00:16:21.59
but what good
will it do, he won't go
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to any meetings. And I
started ringing my hands
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and I said well I
don't know what's wrong
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I said will you
together some people to really
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pray for him, that God
will get him to meetings.
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So, we started
doing that I get people
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who are
comfortable praying together
00:16:34.46\00:16:35.68
and we started
praying Lord get this man
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into the
meetings. He didn't get him
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to all of them, which
I thought maybe needed
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but we get him to
go to a few of them
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that man during the
week. And one of them man
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in the morning it was on prayer.
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And this one morning
towards end of the week
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the speaker gets
done, he says I want you
00:16:48.58\00:16:50.25
to divide them
twos and threes in pray.
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And normally well
this husband would do was
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just sit there
quietly, he wouldn't pray,
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he would till
everybody was done and
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get up and leave.
Well this preacher got down
00:16:58.21\00:17:00.46
went down the side
aisle pick them out
00:17:00.82\00:17:02.94
of the middle and
said I want to pray
00:17:02.95\00:17:04.15
with you too, really,
yeah. Not knowing them
00:17:04.16\00:17:06.73
and it forced the
husband into praying
00:17:07.14\00:17:09.36
and I don't know if
it was that or just the
00:17:09.37\00:17:11.71
overall experience of the week.
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But, he went home
and change man, amen.
00:17:13.26\00:17:15.56
He went home telling
his wife I want to start
00:17:15.57\00:17:17.10
praying together with
you and he started studying
00:17:17.11\00:17:18.91
his Bible, started
wanting to go to church.
00:17:18.92\00:17:21.08
Did he become
the spiritual leader,
00:17:21.09\00:17:22.28
she was hoping for?
He started leading out
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and family worships
which his wife called me up,
00:17:23.62\00:17:25.70
a while later crying
and said it's terrible
00:17:26.07\00:17:28.40
he is leading out
family worships and it's awful.
00:17:28.41\00:17:30.56
And unfortunately
she was a very wise woman
00:17:31.22\00:17:33.94
and she kept him
out shot, and did not
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say anything to him about it.
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Do you see the look on his face?
00:17:39.91\00:17:41.00
Well it's true, not
just a woman but any of us
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when somebody starts
going spiritually around us,
00:17:43.75\00:17:45.77
we attend to
start telling them how
00:17:46.41\00:17:47.69
they should do it
better. We try to be the
00:17:47.70\00:17:49.15
Holy Spirit still
let him do his work.
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And we get discouraged,
and so she was smart
00:17:51.27\00:17:54.55
and it melt it out
worships got better
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gradually but, it took
a while. But, one thing
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I don't know it was
three weeks or so later
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actually it was
couple of months,
00:18:02.00\00:18:03.47
one night after that he
have the family worship,
00:18:04.06\00:18:06.39
and put the kids to
bed. Which by the way
00:18:06.40\00:18:07.88
I just gonna say that
is so important to have
00:18:07.89\00:18:09.72
family worship,
amen. Even if your husband
00:18:09.73\00:18:13.00
is not willing to do
it, do it, do it morning
00:18:13.01\00:18:16.48
and evening have
some things shorten do it
00:18:16.49\00:18:18.30
with those kids.
Actually the wife is called
00:18:18.31\00:18:19.84
to do that, to take
that spot if the husband
00:18:19.85\00:18:22.23
will not do it. And
they need to able to approach
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the children and to
be relaxed with their
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children and to
leave their children.
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I just wanna a encouraged
the mothers to do that
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sort of thing too
because lot of times
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you're alone but the
Lord will be with you
00:18:33.72\00:18:36.19
and I'm you now back
to Janet here I'm sorry.
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It makes a
difference if your kids playing
00:18:39.73\00:18:42.03
over them, for
them to hear you praying
00:18:42.04\00:18:43.41
form them,
absolutely. Not lecturing them,
00:18:43.42\00:18:45.42
not praying what they should do,
00:18:45.43\00:18:47.12
but just praying
that you are so thankful
00:18:47.13\00:18:48.65
to have that child,
amen. And what a wonderful
00:18:48.66\00:18:50.86
kid they are, I'm
getting off the track here.
00:18:50.87\00:18:52.53
But, anyway this
one night after the kids
00:18:53.31\00:18:55.07
were in bed, he
asked his wife to come out
00:18:55.08\00:18:56.99
to the living room,
he says I need your help,
00:18:57.00\00:18:58.71
so she came out there
he went into another room,
00:18:58.72\00:19:01.05
came out with
huge stack of magazines
00:19:01.49\00:19:03.40
and it's pornography magazines
00:19:03.41\00:19:05.65
and he is just shaking,
and he says can you help
00:19:05.66\00:19:07.53
me burn these. And she said yeah
00:19:07.54\00:19:09.31
and so they put him in
the fire place they set
00:19:09.32\00:19:11.23
them on fire, she
said you know the burning
00:19:11.24\00:19:13.05
now lets go to bed
it's late at night.
00:19:13.06\00:19:15.29
And he said no, I
can't go to bed until every
00:19:15.45\00:19:18.28
one of those is
in ashes they have so
00:19:18.29\00:19:20.08
controlled my life. We
had no idea what this man
00:19:20.09\00:19:24.17
was suffering with, but we knew
00:19:24.18\00:19:27.06
they were problems.
And you were told in
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testimonies,
volume 7 Page 21 it says.
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Why do not
believers feel a deeper,
00:19:34.54\00:19:36.37
more earnest concern for those
00:19:36.67\00:19:38.31
who are out of Christ?
Why do not two or three
00:19:38.32\00:19:40.86
meet together and plead
with God for the salvation
00:19:40.87\00:19:43.10
of some special one
and then for still another?
00:19:43.11\00:19:44.94
Amen, that become
so powerful to me,
00:19:44.95\00:19:47.50
of how important it
is. That we know somebody
00:19:47.51\00:19:50.12
struggling that isn't
quite right with the Lord,
00:19:50.13\00:19:51.86
we need to be
interceding for them
00:19:51.87\00:19:53.16
and taking their
name before his thrown.
00:19:53.17\00:19:54.78
On a consistent
basis and why it's that
00:19:55.16\00:19:58.49
so important, to me it
is. In this great universe
00:19:58.50\00:20:02.68
God is limited
himself to our prayers,
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prayer is not
something that just changes us,
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because prayer
changes hits universe.
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Amen, because God
doesn't force himself
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on us, right, yes. And
just like he limited us,
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he wants us to get
out there and reach people
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for Jesus. Same way
he wants us to pray,
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and by us praying it
makes opens away for God
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to working people's
lives, amen and changed them.
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And when we take time
out of our busy schedule,
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to take a 20 or 30 a
week to prayed to intercede
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for our church for our community
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and our children,
to people it's make the
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difference, amen,
amen. But, that has to come
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also out of our
relationship, yes that
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we have one on one with God that
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we're experiencing
everyday in his word.
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And what about the
rest of the mans experience
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because he was
really turned around by that
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and just became a dynamic leader
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in the church,
he preach sermons,
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he was there in
evangelistic meetings
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started first one to
be there when the church
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door open giving
Bible studies just a dynamic
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leader for Christ and
it become from his woman
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praying
specifically for the husband,
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I have seen it over
and over and over again
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Janet told the story
about our lives sort being
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turned around right
after that we said you know
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we need to
together with these friends
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of ours and we need
to begin to pray for
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people and we took,
that next year we took name
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after name in our community
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and we didn't tell them
we are praying for them,
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but we watch
probably 15 or 16 people that
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we were praying for
have renewed experiences
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or conversions or
dramatic things and you know
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we need to do that
even more now because
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we just when you
take a person angels fly
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James said you have
not, because you ask not.
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And great controversy
says God can't give us
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some things
because we don't pray.
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It's a rule in the
great controversy some how
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and yet we try to
around the church and
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our families so
humanly so many times.
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And I wanted it
before we get to the end of
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all this I want to know how it,
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affected Jerry's
church ministry or leadership
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or in the home if
we have time for you to
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get to that, but
I so you were taking
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a breath to say something.
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I let Jerry
answer that question,
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okay what I wanted
to say is I don't want
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parents to get discouraged,
because so many will
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say I've been
praying for my son,
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my daughter 20 years or more.
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And they don't see any change.
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And I just wanna say
don't give up but I think
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it's so important to
find somebody else that
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you can pray with,
amen. To pray together with,
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the power in
numbers, meet once a week,
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and claim those
promises for them.
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But, also we
don't know why our kids
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or why we have to go
through the things we do,
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in this great controversy,
maybe on of sons will
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have to spend his life in jail.
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Why maybe God's
needs him there to reach
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the other people. Or
maybe my son gets on drugs,
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so that God can use
him afterwards to reach
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drug addicts. It's
kind like a Joseph story.
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Yeah and I'm not
saying that God makes
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it that happen
because I don't think he wants
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anybody to do
sinful things, right.
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But God turns it around for good
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Romans 8:28 tells us that.
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That He will take
it and turn around for
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good in our life.
Amen. And that's a good thing
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to remember, I'm glad
you said that in there
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because lots of
times we know that the Lord
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is preferred will is
such that he would want us
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to go thought that,
but if we can believe
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and remember that he
would turn around for good,
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we can have an awful
lot of effect on other
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peoples life.
Well, are you going to
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be able to answer the other?
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Yeah, I will try to
answer that a big question.
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You know I have
learn some things about
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a marriage and
praying for each other myself
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and one of them I
used to come out early
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in our marriage and
I done my devotional
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time and I find
something I thought
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God wanted to tell
my wife or my sons.
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I have discovered that
it's very the Holy Spirit
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is very able to
be the Holy Spirit.
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And I need to let
him do his own work
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and pray but this
lady is praying for me all
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the time, and early on
that time when her life
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was turned around
she and some other women
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started praying
for me a lot more.
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And I was going
through some real struggles
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that you now were
internal struggles
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and God just
really brought me into an
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experience too and
again we are not saying
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today we are just
wonderful I think you
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understand that were
all spiritual not but,
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it changed my
life dramatically and
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now is she leads her
ministries and there is
00:23:58.78\00:24:01.98
number of people
it support me and
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everything I'm
dealing with I would not wanna
00:24:03.21\00:24:04.79
be a leader in this
time at the end of time
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in God's church,
right. Facing everything
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I'm trying to face
in personal and suites
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and issues and
Satan afterwards and
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every way,
without know that I had a
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tremendous prayer
support. And this lady is
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praying for me and
everything I go through,
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every Wednesday in
the office, a team comes
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together, once a
man and woman and
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come together and I
give him a list every week
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of the things that
are right us night now,
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you know
appropriate way from the prayer
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over and they go
down that list and pray
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for those things, good.
I would just like to add,
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can I interrupt,
please do. It is not that
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is particular people
that are praying, right.
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So many times this
concepts getting out
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there oh you think
you are the only once
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who can pray, right
no. It's just a fact that
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somebody is willing
to get together and pray,
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right God is calling.
You know I talked about
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some of that with a
mutual friend of ours
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just recently it was
talking about the gift
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of prayer is not
among the list of gifts the
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whole church is called to pray.
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So, I'm glad you said
that. But, if you read
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the book of the
evangelism page 99
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where she is
listing pursuing the 12
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and the gift she
also talks about the gift
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of since earnest
prayer along with mothers
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so we argue about this,
okay. So, Janet doest like
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that too because she
says everybody should
00:25:15.75\00:25:17.13
praying lot more
and everybody should.
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But, every gift needs
leadership and so again
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I'm not making
big argument for this,
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right but I
believe we need people
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who are called and
passion pray for others
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to lead some of
the rest of this in the
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more prayer, amen.
It's just small point
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it is there more holy
or they are only their
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prayer as count. You
want to get read of that,
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it just willing to
get together and do it,
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amen. But, for me
the comfort as a church
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leader that I
find in New England
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when this terrible
meetings coming up just
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crisis over here, this
pastor has to be like or
00:25:44.71\00:25:47.03
something. I know I
have a team of people
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who are willing to
pray for me it's not because
00:25:49.22\00:25:50.73
they are holy or
righteousness because
00:25:50.74\00:25:52.45
somebody is
praying for me, amen what a
00:25:52.46\00:25:54.12
difference it makes
I could tell you story
00:25:54.13\00:25:55.79
after story, encouraging
Now one of our exciting
00:25:55.80\00:25:58.52
once in last several
years has been at camp
00:25:58.53\00:26:00.36
meeting we began
having lot of prayer a months
00:26:00.37\00:26:03.65
at a time and during
camp meeting it was just
00:26:03.66\00:26:04.96
really review so
called camp meeting and some
00:26:04.97\00:26:06.96
dramatic ways we have
seeing may conversions
00:26:06.97\00:26:08.81
every year. And people
just sense the presence
00:26:08.82\00:26:10.94
the God in a special
way because we obey that
00:26:10.95\00:26:12.78
in some unique ways in prayer,
00:26:13.10\00:26:14.62
several years ago
God put it in some of our
00:26:15.20\00:26:17.66
both partners heart
and this one especially
00:26:17.67\00:26:19.74
to ask God for a token
the united intercessory
00:26:20.02\00:26:23.83
prayer really
works. They felt convicted
00:26:23.84\00:26:26.61
we have been
raising maybe $100,000
00:26:26.62\00:26:28.18
or so for
evangelism and camp meeting
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the 10 days every
year. And they became
00:26:29.89\00:26:31.84
convicted. I ask God
sort like George Muller did.
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God show this society
there are no one believe
00:26:34.03\00:26:36.60
you in prayer that it
works and so they said
00:26:36.61\00:26:39.26
Lord really use
the evangelism offering
00:26:39.27\00:26:42.48
to show and in that
here we got lot more and
00:26:42.49\00:26:44.48
that for us a goal.
They begin to say you don't
00:26:44.49\00:26:46.75
have faith we would
raise our goal a little every
00:26:46.76\00:26:48.10
year and they would
00:26:48.11\00:26:49.79
more and then we get
it. And these begin to be
00:26:49.80\00:26:52.38
almost a laughing joke
with the people because
00:26:52.39\00:26:54.43
we all saw that
God was showing us.
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And this last year and
10 days the people give us
00:26:56.14\00:26:58.37
over half million
dollars for camp meeting
00:26:58.38\00:27:00.02
evangelism offering we
are able to do all kinds
00:27:00.03\00:27:01.57
of new ministries.
And again it just united
00:27:01.58\00:27:03.90
prayer God putting in
peoples hearts and leader
00:27:03.91\00:27:06.02
that's says thank you
Jesus for people to pray.
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And what letter
think could you pray for an
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Evangelism and the funds
to be reach yeah to reach
00:27:09.09\00:27:13.71
people for Christ absolutely.
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Well, you know I
am unfascinated with
00:27:15.77\00:27:17.55
your stories and it
certainly encouraging
00:27:17.56\00:27:19.71
to everybody and
it's encouraging to me
00:27:19.72\00:27:21.24
there is I told you
a little while ago that
00:27:21.60\00:27:23.62
there is lot of
stories that sometimes you just
00:27:23.63\00:27:25.67
don't think that other
people need to here but,
00:27:25.68\00:27:27.94
they do need to
here it. They are need to
00:27:27.95\00:27:29.46
be encouraged, so
lets pray for everybody
00:27:29.47\00:27:32.37
it's needing this
kind of intercessory prayer
00:27:32.38\00:27:35.31
for there
families, stay with us we are
00:27:35.32\00:27:36.93
gonna pray together
and may the Lord bless you
00:27:36.94\00:27:40.14
and I hope that
you will institute
00:27:40.15\00:27:41.49
this in your family more.
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Lord, we just come
together now I said
00:27:46.17\00:27:47.71
where ever two or
three agree according
00:27:47.72\00:27:49.27
you were it's done
and we are just praying
00:27:49.28\00:27:50.92
right now that you
will call each one of us
00:27:50.93\00:27:52.88
to the places the
both partners that people
00:27:52.89\00:27:55.21
that we need to be
praying with and for,
00:27:55.22\00:27:57.44
give us those two or three that
00:27:57.78\00:27:59.20
we are pray for
the Lord we thank you.
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