Hello, I'm Kathy
Mathews and welcome to
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"Thinking About Home".
Today we're going to be
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talking about experiencing God's
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power through prayer
and our guest today is
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Jerry and Janet Page
and Jerry is from the
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Central
California Conference, right,
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you're the President
there, is that correct.
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That's right and
Janet don't you work with
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the Prayer Conferences or Prayer
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in Women's Ministry, yes.
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Yes and I just
was thinking about
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before we came on, how I
first met the two of you.
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And I remember
that we were in the,
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I'm sorry in
Nebraska Conference,
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my tongue is wrapping around.
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And we're doing a
Community Services Program
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and there were
people everywhere and
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I remember that you
were the Guest Speaker
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and Janet's flight
had lost your suitcase and
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you would come in
without your clothing
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and I really
felt so sorry for you.
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And I think I
remember asking if I could loan
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you something, I
remember that, if I could loan
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you some of my clothing
but then suitcase came in
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not too far
after that and you were
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able to get through the weekend.
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I know that things like
that can make you nervous,
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that's right,
and I know Jerry that
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the reason that I
wanted to invite you
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is that you would had
such an upbringing in a
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Christian home, and
that story that you told
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was really touching and
it was how you gone away
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from the
upbringing that you would had
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and you gone
rebellious, and I know that
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it touched your
parents hearts and I would like
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for you to share with
out viewers about how that
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all happened in your life.
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Well, thanks Kathy
its good to be with you,
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well and share the opportunity.
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I'm glad you came I
know it's not easy sometimes
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you get nervous,
that's right and it's not
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always easy but I
know there is gonna be
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a lot of people is
gonna enjoy your story.
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Praise God, so look
back over my life Kathy
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it's been a little
bit like an experience
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I had in Colorado one time,
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I went a Ministers
meeting, and I was staying
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up at the ranch
there with, in a room of
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two beds and there was
a man in the other bed.
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Middle of night I had a dream
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it was very real in
my mind and I thought
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Janet was in the
other bed and I got up and
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begin to sleep
walk across the room,
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really, and in the
upstanding over poor
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Bob Rice see
education guy for the conference
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and I was asleep, he was asleep
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all of a sudden he woke up.
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And he looked up
at me and I woke up
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and looked down at him you know
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as one of those moments in life.
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And he is got a
good sense of humor
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and he said Jerry I
won't tell a soul, and I said
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Bob I'm gonna tell everybody
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if I got a
chance. God in his mercy,
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Kathy he has been
constantly putting up
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with me and waking
me up along the journey
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and I just thank him
I thought I was awake
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so often when
really I was asleep.
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And you right, I grow up in a,
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a good Christian
home, Adventist home.
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My dad was a publishing
director and my mom was,
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really, elementary
school teacher and I went to
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church Pathfinder
Sabbath School all those things
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but somehow along the way
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I just didn't get
to know Jesus, right.
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And didn't have
assurance of salvation
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and to me it just
become a lot of does
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and don'ts church
was something that
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I really wanted
to get away from.
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I think a lot people
don't have that assurance of
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salvations and,
and somehow we are not
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getting it across
the way we should and
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I remember Luann Tucker was at
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Aurora Colorado once
with us and he ask in
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the congregation
how many new that they
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would had the
assurance of salvation.
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That was a, that was
an interesting answer
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that happened I
don't want to cut up
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too much of your story here but.
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That, that was
something memorable to me
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when I saw how
many hands went up.
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Well, I remember is,
is being told about the
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sanctuary and our
behave because Jesus might come
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to my name at any
moment and if I wasn't ready
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I would be lost and
so that was kind of the,
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the picture I had and
the person talking to me
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really didn't believe
they were gonna be saved.
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So, you know I just
began to run with the kids
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where we have excitement and fun
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doing another
things and I don't need to
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bore you with the
lot of details today but
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he went down the
track, he kicked out of three
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academy he is
involve in, in drugs back in
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the 60's and all
that kind of things so.
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I just wanted to get
out, I wanted to get out
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from under the church
and the rules and all those
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things and I just thank
God that he didn't leave me.
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And that my parents, my
parents were in perfect,
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our home had these
problems but the fact is
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they kept loving me
unconditionally, amen.
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And they kept praying
for me. And that's really
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the two principles
that I think about the most
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as I look back
over my own journey as,
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as how that unconditional
love is being there for
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me and continually
get people to pray for me.
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It brought me back
around and that's what
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this is all about
is, it really is prayer
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in the family isn't that?
Or how the family's prayer
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meant so much and
not to stop doing that
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and we won't to
get that point across,
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never stop
praying for your children.
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That's for sure, my
folks could have been
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pretty embarrassed
about me and I will be in
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Church workers
and all of that but
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instead they got
everybody they could.
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My dad been a
publisher and they will always
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cooperators
praying for me all over the
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central part of this
country and I just didn't
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have a chance they
prayed miserable basically.
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You know, I had
one to get away and,
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what do you mean by
that? Prayed you miserable?
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I after first year
college they made me go to
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one year ecologist
with this they wouldn't
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help me and I
thank, thank God my parents
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never said what
publish school do you wanna go
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to they said what
Adventist school you wanna
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go to next when
they kicked out and
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I'm thankful for that
but anyway after one year
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at ecologist I came back
to Dan Rivers living with
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a bunch of guys
had, money was had
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towards the law degree.
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And pretty much I had
everything that I thought
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I had wanted
freedom and all of that and
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there we are doing drugs
we are buying and selling
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drugs at that point.
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But instead of getting
happier, I begin to get
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more and more
miserable and my relationships
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broke apart, people
cheated me on drug deals
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and we were just
unhappy and other kids were
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enjoy the drug trips
and I've been sitting around
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worried about my
health or dying or whatever.
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I'm remember one guys
said Jerry just relax so
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what if you die see what
the next life is like but.
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Well, it sounds like
what your parents taught you
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wasn't really
letting you go that it was
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somewhat there
could you say that,
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could say that,
that training was there.
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The training was there
and I believe they claim
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promises like Isaiah chapter 42
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I brought here with
me: The Messiah's word:
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As a light to the gentiles,
To open the blind eyes,
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to bring out the
prisoners from the prison house,
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those who sit in
darkness from the prison house.
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It says I will bring
the blind by a way they
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did not know; I
will lead them in paths
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they have not
known. I will make darkness
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light before them, and
crooked places straight,
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these things I will do for them
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and not forsake them.
Isaiah 42:11 and 16 and.
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Is this what you
considered yourself,
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you know I was in prison house,
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I was captive to my own
desires and I don't need
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tell the whole story
but one Saturday night
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after bad drug trip and
my girl and I was sitting
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on her apartment,
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who was different
girl at that point.
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And we were just
talking about how much we
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hate people, we
were so miserable and
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again my parents
had claim these promises
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Isaiah 49:25: For I
will contend with him
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who contends with you,
and I will save my children.
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And in my heart there
were something longing
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for more and that
night as we said they were
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talking about what
would really make us happy.
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I believe the Holy
Spirit was there working on us
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and you know the
prayers were being answered
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and in our heart we
decided there was love.
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We thought about the
little lady that brought
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us sucursal, that
night, yeah that night
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you talked about
you thought it was love.
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We started talking
about what it made us happy
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the unconditional love
the lady that brought us
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sucursal department, they
guy am I folk sit down us,
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to come and study the
Bible with us is very nice
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we slam the door on
his face but that night
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seen I was said you
know we think the love
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would be the answer
and I think it because
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those seeds again
that we would been
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put in us through the
years that God is love.
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And so we gave our
hearts to Jesus that night,
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the guy who was an ex-alcoholic
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the Bible workers
said we called him in
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middle of the night
I don't know what time
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it was we started studies and
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God changed our lives he just.
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So, is this a night
that you would consider
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a conversion
experience? Really was for me,
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I mean I'm one from
buying and selling drugs
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we'd stolen cocaine
from one of our hospitals
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and we were selling
on the streets and border
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thinking about doing
needles that's a close
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became to started to
study the Bible began
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to attained the little church in
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Denworth that was on
fire with God's love.
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They didn't care
what we look like,
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where we came from
they're just wrapped
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their arms around us,
they loved us and we didn't
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come to the Friday night
Bible study they'd call us
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we did come to Saturday night so
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shall they were
on the phone to us.
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No train you, they
did and just loved us
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and I won't tell you
all the rest of the story
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maybe later but we
got involved in ministry
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I went to Andrews
and we got in the small
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groups and lay
evangelistic meetings
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and those kinds of things.
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Jesus just helped me
as a young leader kid
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well I think I have
the genes in me to lead
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somewhere I never
been challenged to
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lead for God then I
was and it change my life
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so I praise God for His
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relentless pursuit, you know.
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Oh! It's interesting
that you should say that,
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our daughter both of
our daughters we were,
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we were enjoying some bonding
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time here just last
fall. No, it's before that
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it was earlier and
we were talking about
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the love of the Lord and I said
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there should be a
production, there should be
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a movie called
Relentless Pursuit amen.
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Now, how would do
make it and we sat there
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and we dreamed about how
we would do all of these.
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And that's what I hear
you're saying is that he
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Psalms 139 never let
you go, wherever we go
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he is there, unfailing
love, that's right amen.
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Praise him and so
that night when you were
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sitting there and
you recognize the love of
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the people that was
what brought you, you think.
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Really was I mean we
were just so miserable,
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we were looking for
happiness, we've been
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trying everything else
and for us we came back
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to the seeds of our
youth you know they've been
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putting those
seeds in and again. Amen.
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I believe God used
them. Now, Janet I wanna give
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you little chance here
now or actually with maybe
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a lot of a chance to
give a little testimony
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about your spiritual journey,
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can you start in
where he left out.
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Yeah, one thing I just
like to say is like after
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we were married,
it's always hard for me to
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say this, because it
just so touch my heart
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but for year so
after we were married
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everywhere I go because
we were active in ministry.
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Somebody would
come up to me and say
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I prayed for Jerry, I
prayed for Jerry, oh amen,
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all of this
country, that's right
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I know this is encouraging.
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I had a young adult
women tell me that she was in
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his dad's car she
was, he was trainer at the
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literature of
evangelist and the car was
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full of young
people. And all of the sudden
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his dad pulls outside
of the road and he says
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we've just got a
stop right now he says
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I don't what's going
on but we need to pray
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for my boy Jerry, amen, amen.
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And just that I think
that openness to admit hey
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my kids got a
problem you pray for my kid,
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it makes a
different. Amen, and may be just
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encourage parents
whose kids haven't
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come back yet,
right. Why don't you just
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look at that camera and
encourage to those parents.
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Well, it's not too late,
never give up, even if you
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messed up when
your kids growing up and
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everything and you know
you haven't trained him,
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whether should have
you can Intercede now
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get 2 or 3 around
you and pray and God will
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answer those
prayers and he will send
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an angle to answer every prayer.
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We know a guy in
our conference who,
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his mother prayed for
him for 40 years he just came
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back to Lord right after
she died about 2 years ago.
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Now, he is on fired
gone over the world and work
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for Jesus, amen. So,
never give up we don't know
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God always there, oh
that's a good message.
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Actually it's not
just one guy we know many,
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that's right, that's
right as we've traveled
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through out this
country doing prayer
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weekends, right.
So, many come up and say
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will you please tell
parents don't give up,
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don't give up
because there are like in
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their 40's, one
guy who was in a 70's
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when he came back, that's right.
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And, and though
we don't wanted to be
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that long when our kids do, no.
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We are grateful
you know, that they do,
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that they haven't
forgotten all together.
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Well, you have a
quiet a bit of testimony for
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yourself on your
spiritual journey you won't like
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Jerry, were you?
You won't like going
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rebellious in the same sense or.
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Not totally yeah I
had my ups and downs,
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how did it work for
you? I had my ups and downs
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I think a lot of kids
do growing up an Adventist.
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But I had learned like
when I was 17 about how
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important it was
to spend time with God
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and that was just
the new concept with me.
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I know I need to
go to Church and maybe
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starting my
Sabbath school lesson but
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actually spend
time with them and so I
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started to tried to do that.
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As I got into college
you know life got busy and
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I always thought well
once you get out of college.
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You work a fulltime job,
you will have lots of time
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to spend knowing God
and I didn't realize how
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busy it was even
though you did an
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8 hour day job,
right. And then I had a baby
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and I thought
well you know I'm gonna
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stay home with
this baby I was choosing
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to do that and I
thought well I will
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stay home with
the baby I will have
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so much time to
get to know God, yes.
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My mother failed to
tell me it was a 24 hour
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day job to take care
of your baby, yeah plus
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people in the church
find out if you're not
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working you just
taking care of a baby.
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Oh! Yeah just taking
care of a baby, I, that is
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mom your project
for you do, yeah, okay,
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and several of them, yeah many.
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And it was Lord I can't
spend time with you today
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I've got to help with
this vacation Bible school,
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right and I can't
spend time with you today
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I've gonna help
with this cooking school.
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And Lord Mitchell
wants to have Bible studies
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I don't have time for
you today will you bless me,
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I'm doing your work
God. And before I realize it
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I'm in my 30's and I'm
realizing I don't really
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know him and I
decided I've got to start
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doing it now it's
never gonna happened because
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always putting it off.
So, I started trying to
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spend time with him
everyday and as I do that
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we learned one thing that
really makes a differences
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getting into time of
prays and just focusing on God
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to begin with but
then going into a time of
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confession it
was during that time,
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alone or together or both.
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Alone, alone and
speaking out loud in prayers,
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praising the Lord out loud
to yourself, with yourself.
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Sometimes out loud,
sometimes I general it
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I see, sometimes it
just in my mind but just to
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spend sometime taking
the Psalms and using that
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to praise God for
three years, but rather then
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just pouring out
your difficulties
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and your trails
and your problems.
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Taking the time to
praise him first, yeah
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we've just find that
really prepares the way,
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but at going to time
of like confession and I
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started thinking all the
things I need to confess.
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But there was just
one particular thought
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that would come to
mind and I would shutter off
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to the side say
that's not sin you know that,
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that maybe a
problem but that's not sin
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I have an over guilty conscious.
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And I didn't
realize how that effected me
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because my the
Bible become dry to me and
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just like my prayers
didn't go high in the
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ceiling to push it away.
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Yeah, I didn't realize
the effect that was having
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and I just I got into
this, this depression,
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this is cycle of depression.
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And in that thought any
time I try to spend time
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with God or even sometimes
sitting in the meetings,
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church meetings
this thought would come
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you need to take care
of the sin problem and I
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just would shove to
decide and finally I said
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okay it is sin
but is too difficult
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I can't deal
with it. Then anything
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Jesus could if He
were it just too hard.
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And so shut it off
well you know how the church
00:14:50.61\00:14:56.02
the Pastor said get
up sometimes and tell you
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we need to out
witnessing, we need to be out
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sharing the hope
the joy, the power,
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the joy we have in Jesus Christ.
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And I was sitting,
you were sitting there
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what joy you know
what hope, what power.
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We love the lay the
guilt time you know,
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well I don't mean of
that way, but what do I have
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in my neighbors
gonna want, my God.
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And I begin to think
why there is about me
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that my kids are
gonna want my God and I
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realize there was
nothing I was pretty prophetic.
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As I just privately,
quietly gave up at this
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time now this was
all happening we were
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had move to a new
conference and Jerry was
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like a pastor to the
pastors and they want.
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And he, he found among
them there was a real need
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for a spiritual
retreat for the pastors wives.
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So, I, I didn't do anything way,
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did you jump into women's
ministry at that time or.
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Oh! I got push
into it, my hymn to get
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into it and the way
it, it happen was Jerry
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gets is go sure of a
women's between he says
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this would be wonderful
don't you wanna do this?
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And I said no, I don't do
that kind of thing I can't
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and he tells me won't
you at least pray about it.
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It was these when
you were struggling
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at the time, yeah.
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But he didn't know,
nobody knew I was struggling
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anyway he told me to
pray about and I said
00:16:06.24\00:16:08.32
well okay I will pray
about what I should do
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this women to treat
because I was sure God
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would tell me know
even I could tell him Jerry
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the Lord said no
I shouldn't do this.
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But then you
would have your answer,
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that's for sure
he couldn't cause her
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to do it after
that, that's right.
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He came home couple
of days later and tells
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me he's been
voted that however those
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things that in the
conference office that
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I'm to do this women's
to treat as I'm going Jerry
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I can do this but in the
process of that happening,
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it got me to get back
in to spending time with
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God again because I
was, I was so scared
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and afraid this
thing would be a failure.
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And so, I started I
can imagine, I started to
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trying to spend
time with him and what
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happen to me there
was incredible because
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I found this verse in
Testimonies Volume six
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page 393 where it says:
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The Bible is God's
voice speaking to us,
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just as surely
as though we could
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hear it with our
ears. If we realize this,
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with what awe
would we open God's Word
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and with what earnestness
00:17:00.56\00:17:01.53
would we search its precepts?
00:17:01.54\00:17:03.25
The reading and
contemplation of the
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scriptures would
be regarded as an
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audience with the Infinite One.
00:17:07.02\00:17:08.35
That just really open
my eyes to the fact that
00:17:09.16\00:17:11.37
God's word speaks to
me now what I need right
00:17:11.38\00:17:14.15
this moment not just theology,
00:17:14.16\00:17:16.09
not just doctrine, not
just history but what I need.
00:17:16.10\00:17:18.76
That's why I
started taking that before
00:17:19.12\00:17:20.33
God's saying Lord
it says your voice,
00:17:20.34\00:17:22.53
this is your
voice, so will speak to me
00:17:22.93\00:17:24.15
what I need right
now, please show me
00:17:24.16\00:17:25.81
what I'm to do with
this woman's rectrices
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I'd never been do
wanna had no idea what to do.
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And God did, he started
making come alive for me,
00:17:30.06\00:17:33.19
started speaking to
me and you know I've been
00:17:33.20\00:17:36.29
raised in Adventist
I'm a daughter of minister
00:17:36.30\00:17:38.58
and I'm married a
minister and yet most of my life
00:17:38.59\00:17:41.04
I didn't have the
assurance of salvation
00:17:41.05\00:17:42.73
even though people
tell me believe what it says
00:17:42.74\00:17:44.26
Romans that Christ died
for you I couldn't, right.
00:17:44.27\00:17:46.85
But after spending
several weeks of spending time
00:17:47.19\00:17:49.78
everyday regarding His
word and He just coming
00:17:49.79\00:17:52.31
before me saying
Lord speak to me.
00:17:52.32\00:17:53.89
It's literally He
would wrap me in His love
00:17:54.62\00:17:56.60
and it became so real
and I, I came to have that
00:17:56.95\00:18:00.13
assurance that I knew
He did love me, right.
00:18:00.14\00:18:02.24
He did die for me,
amen and made such a
00:18:02.25\00:18:03.98
difference and it
became very personal yeah.
00:18:03.99\00:18:05.79
But He kept working
on me about this sin
00:18:06.47\00:18:08.78
problem and, and I
won't go into exactly how
00:18:08.79\00:18:12.08
that all happen right
now because we are out
00:18:12.09\00:18:13.44
getting short of
time but it was the
00:18:13.92\00:18:16.21
bitterness I had toward someone.
00:18:16.22\00:18:17.96
And one morning in
a worship time that
00:18:18.44\00:18:21.56
time it become so
precious with God I'm not an
00:18:21.57\00:18:23.58
early riser but I
found if you really
00:18:23.59\00:18:25.39
want quality time for God.
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You need let him awake
you up and get up early
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and he will yeah and he
will speak to you won't he?
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But this one morning he wasn't
00:18:31.44\00:18:32.81
it was like he wasn't there.
00:18:32.82\00:18:33.86
And I said God where
are you it just, it doesn't
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seem the same and it
just a quiet thought in my
00:18:36.26\00:18:39.10
mind it was Janet
go call us person now.
00:18:39.11\00:18:41.82
And I said now
wait a minute God they,
00:18:42.51\00:18:44.86
they've done this and
this in this to me why
00:18:45.64\00:18:46.95
you don't you
get him to call me.
00:18:46.96\00:18:48.10
Okay, Mosses you're
making complains here,
00:18:48.11\00:18:50.06
yeah but he wanna me
to, to call them and I,
00:18:50.07\00:18:52.90
that experience with Him
and it become so precious.
00:18:52.91\00:18:55.49
I did not wanna loss it,
so did you get up and you
00:18:55.50\00:18:58.15
will make the
call, yeah he gave me the
00:18:58.16\00:18:59.24
motivation but I
went to pay phone because
00:18:59.25\00:19:00.64
I want Jerry to
hear that's right,
00:19:00.65\00:19:01.95
because that
would be embarrassing,
00:19:01.96\00:19:03.05
that's right and it
just an incredible to me
00:19:03.06\00:19:05.39
how God just took
over as I said Lord help me
00:19:05.40\00:19:07.69
to do this and he
showed me what I needed to
00:19:07.70\00:19:11.02
ask forgiveness for
and just a put a love
00:19:11.03\00:19:14.06
in my heart for this person.
00:19:14.07\00:19:15.24
He just took away all
the bitterness and hatred.
00:19:15.65\00:19:17.72
You rose above the
problem, I can see that
00:19:18.05\00:19:21.02
you have to and the Lord
00:19:21.03\00:19:23.10
showed you how to do that.
00:19:23.11\00:19:24.41
He does and the exciting
part was the next night,
00:19:25.12\00:19:28.73
no that night Jerry we
would place at meetings
00:19:29.14\00:19:32.78
where they having
a prayer conference
00:19:32.79\00:19:33.82
and Jerry didn't wanna go.
00:19:33.83\00:19:34.95
And I didn't
know what was going on
00:19:34.96\00:19:36.75
with him and I knew
some was bothering him
00:19:36.76\00:19:38.04
and I decided
well he didn't wanna go
00:19:38.34\00:19:39.64
I'd rather stay with him.
00:19:39.65\00:19:41.00
And that night Lord
just really moved on
00:19:41.38\00:19:44.32
me share what happen in
that morning on the phone,
00:19:44.33\00:19:46.23
because that was so dramatic.
00:19:47.00\00:19:48.69
Where were this, wait
a minute, let me tell,
00:19:49.11\00:19:50.08
let me tell what
happened, okay go ahead.
00:19:50.09\00:19:51.44
Okay, I had the day
before and this is a principle
00:19:51.45\00:19:54.93
I think about families
are growing in the Lord,
00:19:54.94\00:19:56.76
yes Kathy is when one
person really is growing
00:19:56.77\00:19:59.54
rapidly in the Lord
other are also resistance
00:19:59.55\00:20:02.16
it seems to spring up another
00:20:02.17\00:20:03.17
people in that
family I've noticed.
00:20:03.18\00:20:04.70
And you know I am
preacher, I was a leader
00:20:05.03\00:20:07.03
and I am man and
here Janet was getting up
00:20:07.04\00:20:08.77
much earlier than me now
in the morning. Oh! really,
00:20:08.78\00:20:10.58
praying and having her
wonderful walk with God.
00:20:10.59\00:20:12.42
And I was being feel
little jealous I think and
00:20:12.77\00:20:14.98
proud and I have
found myself weird apart,
00:20:14.99\00:20:18.05
I couldn't enter in
very well, and I was feeling
00:20:18.06\00:20:20.17
valves come up
and needed to tell me
00:20:20.69\00:20:22.09
how to be spiritual
and all that kind of thing
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and I thought myself praying
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my mind when afternoon,
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Lord if she is so spiritual,
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how come she can
get long so and so.
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And it was in the next
morning the God made her
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go to the phone and
get right with this person.
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Is that right? Now
when she came back and
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told me that, talking
about the Lord timing,
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that amount of
valves of resistance, so.
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Now, God can take
care of those valves
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we need to expect
them and really go close
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to him so that
valves can come down.
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I never knew he
felt that way or he said
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that kind of prayer.
I was thought my side
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oh, so it was quite
a shock it me when I
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sent that, and. At
least you are open enough
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to be able to speak each other
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about it that's a
plus. What he did though
00:20:55.84\00:20:58.42
was he really gave me
the courage then to do
00:20:58.43\00:21:00.24
what God have been
after me to do for few
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years and that was,
that's Jerry's forgiveness
00:21:02.17\00:21:04.19
for a number of
things and I told to God
00:21:04.20\00:21:06.62
I can do that if I do
that the next time we are on
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argument, Jerry would
be hold it over my head
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but you know the
scripture like Luke 14:11 says,
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"Whoever exalts
himself will be humbled,
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and he who humbles
himself will be exalted.
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I never bought
into those scriptures.
00:21:18.33\00:21:20.04
I always shut them
over here and I said,
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I don't defend
myself who is going to
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you know forget him.
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And we get that night
because of the miracle
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I saw God that
morning in my life.
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It gave me the
courage to then asked Jerry's
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forgiveness for
number of things.
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And do you know
what I did? All I did,
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was it may Jerry and
I go closure together,
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Amen, and it did just
exactly what Luke 14 says.
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I was exalted
when I humbled myself
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I was exalted
and Jerry is closure,
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Amen, but the beautiful part two
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for me was with my kids.
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I had no idea, when
we think we don't like
00:21:51.10\00:21:53.98
somebody or we just
don't agree with them
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and we can't
shutter to the side.
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We don't think it
affects our life. But it does.
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It does, we stared
reacting and acting
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like they did and we
don't realize it. Yes.
00:22:02.23\00:22:04.22
My kids saw such a
change in me, my older son
00:22:04.23\00:22:07.98
he was a young
teenager then he came up to me
00:22:07.99\00:22:10.29
and he said, mommy I
want to know Jesus like you
00:22:10.30\00:22:12.31
do now you have
changed so much, really,
00:22:12.32\00:22:14.05
he said, will you teach me how.
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And even my little
guy, how old was he?
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He was about 23 now,
it was about 10 years ago.
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So he was about 13.
Okay. And we can do that at 13.
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Even my little guy, my
little one 4, 5 years old
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came out and said, I
want to learn how to know
00:22:28.86\00:22:30.49
Jesus like you do
too mummy. Oh, wow!
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And what I learnt
too though was which you
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may not have this
problem especially beyond
00:22:35.27\00:22:37.22
this time kind of
talk show is but I would
00:22:37.23\00:22:39.30
sometimes upset with
my kids and I thought.
00:22:39.31\00:22:42.48
Yeah, they doesn't
do that, I thought well
00:22:42.49\00:22:44.65
what they did is
wrong and they deserve that
00:22:45.69\00:22:48.10
whatever, yes, but that's
not right, it's not right.
00:22:48.11\00:22:50.70
I have no business
ever involve in my kids or
00:22:51.07\00:22:53.25
being impatient
them. But I am human
00:22:53.26\00:22:55.81
I do what I learn
through this that happen was
00:22:55.82\00:22:58.99
to go my kids and say
will you please forgive me.
00:22:59.00\00:23:01.29
Jesus does not know
why you treated like that.
00:23:01.30\00:23:03.53
And in doing that
you show them how to ask
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forgiveness and how
to relate to others,
00:23:05.95\00:23:07.96
because you are an example
in doing that very thing.
00:23:08.57\00:23:11.01
That's right. Yeah,
the beautiful part to me
00:23:11.05\00:23:14.26
is one, I have one
that is 23 one is 16,
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and we were so close. Amen.
00:23:17.50\00:23:18.91
We have already been
so closed it never had
00:23:18.92\00:23:21.94
that distance
some people go through
00:23:21.95\00:23:24.32
and I really feel like
it has to do be willing
00:23:24.68\00:23:27.39
to humble myself,
absolutely and it may not
00:23:27.40\00:23:29.05
made mistakes and
ask for forgiveness.
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And that does not mean
that you still don't have
00:23:31.20\00:23:33.14
times probably
that where you have
00:23:33.15\00:23:34.59
disagreements but
you have that bonded
00:23:34.60\00:23:36.73
closeness that it
seems that so many people
00:23:36.74\00:23:39.45
have lost or never had, Jerry?
00:23:39.46\00:23:41.89
No Kathy that women
were treated to that
00:23:41.90\00:23:43.30
I pushed during
the viewing that God
00:23:43.31\00:23:44.90
used to revive her so
many miracles happen there.
00:23:44.91\00:23:47.60
People were
actually physically healed
00:23:47.61\00:23:49.49
and the story goes
on then 10 years later
00:23:49.50\00:23:52.06
as our
pre-ministry God has opened up
00:23:52.07\00:23:53.83
pre-ministry and
where she was so shy,
00:23:53.84\00:23:55.62
she couldn't even
speak now she is on 3ABN
00:23:55.63\00:23:57.71
talking and all these
kinds of stuff, so God
00:23:57.72\00:24:00.16
has just done so
many things to open up our
00:24:00.17\00:24:03.21
lives through this
time with Him, and I guess
00:24:03.22\00:24:06.48
maybe it just enclose I
would like to just appeal
00:24:06.80\00:24:09.32
to focus a little bit because,
00:24:09.33\00:24:10.82
you go ahead and do
that, what I've just got
00:24:10.83\00:24:11.96
in my own life is that
we can talk about prayer
00:24:11.97\00:24:13.81
but it's hard to take
the time and really do it,
00:24:13.82\00:24:16.42
but if you don't do
it we are not connected.
00:24:16.43\00:24:18.08
When I become
myself and I am not filled
00:24:18.09\00:24:20.05
with Jesus everyday
it's an ugly thing, right.
00:24:20.06\00:24:22.88
You know so I found
we have to make choices
00:24:22.89\00:24:25.30
if we really want to know God
00:24:25.71\00:24:26.97
and one of those
choices, it reminds me
00:24:26.98\00:24:29.55
Daniel and David
little bit, you know Daniel's
00:24:29.56\00:24:31.25
like a last day
type of what we are to be
00:24:31.26\00:24:34.13
and in chapter 1 verse
8 he said, in purpose in
00:24:34.14\00:24:38.01
his heart that
define himself with the
00:24:38.02\00:24:40.68
things at the
king's table and so I think
00:24:40.69\00:24:42.70
we have to make
choices about health
00:24:42.71\00:24:44.08
and exercise and sleep
and diet and all that if
00:24:44.09\00:24:46.85
we want to have mind
that communicate with God.
00:24:46.86\00:24:48.86
And purposing in your
heart is no small thing.
00:24:48.87\00:24:50.53
It is. And those
are serious want.
00:24:50.54\00:24:52.24
It's a choice that
we have to make then in
00:24:52.25\00:24:54.42
chapter 6, why did
Daniel go to the lion's den?
00:24:54.43\00:24:56.62
Because of the Ten Commandments,
00:24:58.31\00:24:59.28
right, I am sorry,
was it over one of the
00:24:59.29\00:25:00.75
Ten Commandments,
because of his prayer,
00:25:00.76\00:25:02.19
because of his
prayer life, wasn't he?
00:25:02.64\00:25:03.96
He had said, in
Daniel 6 as a specific time
00:25:03.97\00:25:06.54
in a specific place 3
times a day he meet God.
00:25:06.55\00:25:09.35
He was willing to go
to his, to the lion's den
00:25:09.36\00:25:11.43
over that, so I know
I need a specific time
00:25:11.44\00:25:14.04
and place that I will
not let this world suck me
00:25:14.05\00:25:16.93
out of all the time
but there is a third choice
00:25:16.94\00:25:19.58
that I think it's
really important for families
00:25:19.59\00:25:21.02
today and I know in our family
00:25:21.03\00:25:23.01
when I married
Janet, she said, I promise
00:25:23.02\00:25:24.64
I want at US that you
want have a TV in our home.
00:25:24.65\00:25:28.02
That's been a wonderful
blessing to us and I don't
00:25:28.03\00:25:30.37
tell everybody to got
live that way but for me
00:25:30.38\00:25:32.75
I think it's really
important that I don't
00:25:32.76\00:25:34.73
have that
temptation sitting to closely.
00:25:34.74\00:25:36.79
It reminds me the
scripture David said after
00:25:37.17\00:25:39.91
you know later on in
his life after the falls
00:25:40.58\00:25:43.16
he had in Psalms
101:2 and 3, he said,
00:25:43.17\00:25:46.28
I will walk within my
house with a perfect heart.
00:25:46.29\00:25:49.08
I will set an wicked
thing before my eyes;
00:25:49.09\00:25:51.55
I hate the work of
them that turn aside;
00:25:51.56\00:25:53.95
and the another
statement in the Spirit Prophecy
00:25:54.27\00:25:56.24
that really as
powerful and I think today
00:25:56.25\00:25:58.67
we just in Christian
community we need to think
00:25:58.68\00:26:00.98
about it, TV is
not evil in itself,
00:26:00.99\00:26:03.17
3ABN is on TV, right.
00:26:03.51\00:26:05.38
There are many good
things but this statement
00:26:05.39\00:26:07.85
from fourth volume
Testimonies page 653,
00:26:07.86\00:26:10.11
it says, there is no
influence in our land
00:26:10.12\00:26:12.28
more powerful to
poison imagination,
00:26:13.27\00:26:15.29
to destroy
religious impressions, and to
00:26:15.72\00:26:17.56
blunt the relish for
the tranquil pleasures
00:26:17.57\00:26:19.57
and sober realities of life,
00:26:19.58\00:26:21.14
than theatrical amusements. Yes.
00:26:21.56\00:26:23.15
The Love of these
sins increases with every
00:26:23.46\00:26:26.03
indulgence as the desire for
00:26:26.04\00:26:27.59
intoxicating drinks
strengthens with it's use.
00:26:27.60\00:26:29.95
The only safe course
is to shun the theater
00:26:30.91\00:26:32.93
and every other
questionable amusement.
00:26:32.94\00:26:34.35
I just believe with all
my heart that Jesus said,
00:26:34.36\00:26:36.94
better to going to
the heaven without your
00:26:36.95\00:26:38.03
eye balls then into
hell with both of them
00:26:38.04\00:26:40.69
for me I think I
need to make decision not
00:26:40.70\00:26:43.77
to watch things
that are immoral,
00:26:43.78\00:26:45.61
absolutely it could
leads to death and all of that,
00:26:45.62\00:26:47.12
and so whatever it
takes I think we need to make
00:26:47.50\00:26:49.33
these decision
otherwise we don't
00:26:49.34\00:26:51.19
want to spend time with God.
00:26:51.20\00:26:52.31
We are running away from Him.
00:26:52.32\00:26:53.29
We drives at away
doesn't it? He is always there.
00:26:53.30\00:26:55.35
He is the relentless
pursuit but in the end
00:26:55.36\00:26:57.97
we have to be going
to say God is gonna take
00:26:57.98\00:26:59.64
time with you, and
we will spend time.
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Amen. So we praise him for that.
00:27:01.19\00:27:02.72
And here our
time is already gone
00:27:02.73\00:27:04.99
and you are going to
be back though for another
00:27:05.00\00:27:06.76
couple of programs
and we will continue
00:27:06.77\00:27:09.57
more about your
spiritual journey and
00:27:09.58\00:27:13.12
I think it will be a
blessing to the viewers
00:27:13.53\00:27:15.33
don't I know that you
have been around a lot
00:27:15.34\00:27:17.33
who have told you
that has encouraged them
00:27:17.34\00:27:19.31
and I will think
that it will encourage you
00:27:19.63\00:27:21.37
but we are going to
go out with prayer now
00:27:21.38\00:27:23.08
and I am going to ask Jerry
00:27:23.09\00:27:25.06
to pray for you
and your families.
00:27:25.07\00:27:27.30
Our wonderful Lord
we are so thankful today
00:27:29.21\00:27:31.14
you are the relentless
pursuit, your everlasting
00:27:31.15\00:27:33.63
love is constantly
drawing us love and kindness
00:27:33.64\00:27:35.89
and Lord I just want
to lift up each family
00:27:35.90\00:27:38.04
grandchild child
today we ask you to send an
00:27:38.44\00:27:41.78
angel each one to
open eyes to set the
00:27:41.79\00:27:43.84
captives free from
the things that may bind
00:27:43.85\00:27:45.87
them today we just
asking that you would
00:27:45.88\00:27:48.75
work in our lives
we know you can't force
00:27:48.76\00:27:50.42
them to be say but Lord
you can open their eyes,
00:27:50.43\00:27:52.71
you can do
everything possible that
00:27:52.72\00:27:54.10
draw them to a
positive decision.
00:27:54.11\00:27:55.58
We are asking for that
for our families today.
00:27:55.59\00:27:57.52
We thank you that you want to
00:27:58.20\00:27:59.25
do that more than even we do.
00:27:59.26\00:28:00.66
We just praise
you so much today and
00:28:01.00\00:28:02.97
Lord we are asking
that we will be the
00:28:03.29\00:28:04.26
kind of parents and
the kinds of grandparents.
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