Hello again, I'm Kathy Matthews
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and this is Thinking About Home.
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We've been doing a
series called Plain Talk.
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And our guest
has been and is today
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the director of Men's Ministries
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of the Florida conference
of Seventh-day Adventists
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and that's
Pastor Richard O'Ffill.
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You're just always with us,
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it's seems like lately.
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It is talking plain,
talking plain, plain talk.
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You like that I think.
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And today we're going
to do some plain talk if,
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and you know
unless you've change
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it the last minute. No, no
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I haven't but you know I heard
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you were from Florida, right.
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You bet I'm from Florida, yeah.
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By the way my wife
was raised down there,
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originally from
Florida? Yeah. Well,
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and when she was
about 8 or 9 years old
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and she went to
the academy there.
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So there came a time in my life,
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about 16 years ago
we went back to Florida
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because her parents were there
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and her sisters are there.
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You it's just, you
know sooner or later
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we started Thinking About Home,
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how do you like
that? I like that.
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Do you have any
senior citizens now there?
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As we say is the Pope Catholic.
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Oh no. Senior citizens
is what Florida is about.
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I don't know if
you've been down there
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and noticed the,
you see it everywhere.
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I preached in some
churches Kathy would
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you believe it, where
I think the average age
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was like 70, 70 years old.
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And so old age is everywhere,
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old age is everywhere.
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Is it the golden
years, is old age
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really the golden years?
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Isn't it something
how they call old age
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the golden years?
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Now this is
horrible what I'm about say,
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I'm getting older,
I'm questioning that.
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And so you're
wondering if you are headed
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toward the golden years.
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Doesn't seem very
much gold as it used to be.
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No you are headed to getting old
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that I can say now,
is it the golden years?
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You know what I've said?
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I've said whoever called old age
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the golden years
must have been the man
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who made a million
dollars selling cemetery spots.
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No, no you know I
really believe with all due
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respect that old age
is the biggest crisis
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of our human existence, yes.
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I think that it's
the tragedy it takes,
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it takes power,
it makes it weak.
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It takes beauty
and wipes it out.
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And in fact my dad and I'll talk
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about him a little later.
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He said Dick, it isn't so much
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that the wages of sin is death,
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he says it's the
wages of sin is old age.
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And I know some
people; you know they're
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all being, because they
just soon die sometimes.
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Well, you become
trapped in your body and;
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now I know some people say well
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you are only as old as you feel
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and well I'm
thankful that there can
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be those who are
really upbeat but
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though you may know a person
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who is a 100 years
old, who looks like a 50.
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Most of that person's classmates
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or family are long gone.
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Right, that would
be the unusual person.
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Yeah. And so
generally speaking old age
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is physically
debilitating and I don't want,
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you know those who are
with us to you know to say,
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oh man I'm
going to turn this off
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because it's depressing.
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But I think medical
science probably carries us
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all things being equal.
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All things being equal now,
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even up through
the 70s in other words
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you can be you know so,
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so in being in your 70s.
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But I've read some
place a few years ago
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that it seems like
the organs of the body
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under present conditions
are sort of programmed
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to wear out in 80s,
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you know if we
make it to the 80s.
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And it's a
sobering thing to think that
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you know you might
do well in the 60s,
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you might do well
in the 70s but the 80s
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will probably do us in,
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I mean few come out of the 80s
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and those who come
out are really old.
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So, now you see
where are you coming from,
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why are you saying this,
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why not be
upbeat and vivaciously,
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this isn't giving hope.
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No, no as the program
goes we'll talk about this,
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I'm just saying let's
get real, let's get real.
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I don't think that
our lives can have meaning
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at any age as long as
we're in fantasy land.
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And you know down where
I lived there in Florida
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we got Disney
World, so you can go to
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Disney for a day and
pretend your Mickey Mouse.
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But when you go home at night
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you realize that,
you're still Dick O'Ffill,
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your house has
got rats or something,
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you now it's not
Mickey Mouse anymore, yes.
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And so sooner or later
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and I think the Christian life,
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if its going to be powerful,
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it's going to be meaningful,
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it's got to be about reality.
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It's not about pretending.
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When I get to be a
certain age in my life,
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let's get be real.
I'm not 18 anymore.
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Now well I'm still
18 but I'm more than 18
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and I tell the
truth sometimes, right,
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I say 18 plus, yeah 18 plus.
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When I stop being 18, I
didn't really stop being 18
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I just added more years,
right. But I'm not going to
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pretend I'm 18, I'm not 18.
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I'm not going to
pretend I'm 30, I'm not 30.
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I'm who I am.
And you see I think
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that we would do
better inter-generationally,
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if when I talk
with an 18 year old that
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I don't pretend I'm
18, really I don't know
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what it's like to be
18 in the 21st century.
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I don't, so why pretend.
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In other words I
could say well when I
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was 18 then they're
not listening anymore.
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Because when I
was 18 when they're
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18 is not the same.
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But the fact is that
I'm 60 years old and so,
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I can talk with an 18 year old,
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what do we have in common,
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that we're both alive today.
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And that's what unites us,
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we're not united in our age
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but we're united
in the fact that they
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we're both alive
today and that we're here
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to support each other.
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The youth support
us with our strength
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and may be when
you'll get to be 60
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you'll support them
with your experience.
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Experience is what I hope.
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I hope we have a
little experience by the
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time it happened.
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And that they
would respect that,
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that there is truly
an experience there.
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You know the
Bible, in Ecclesiastes
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I was gonna ask
you, the Bible talks
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about old age. I
knew you were gonna ask.
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See I even have a place here so
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I wouldn't have to,
you got the world's biggest
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Bible here, I do not.
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Well anyway at least I can,
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at least I can read it.
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I used to think at this text,
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are you not having
trouble with your eyes?
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When I drive I put
on glasses believe it
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or not and, that's
why mine started but I
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had to keep them on
most of the time after that.
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I can't thread
needles very well.
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Oh it's getting so
bad and I've been trying
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to tread some
needles lately, yeah,
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look in my mouth in
the mirror, I still can't,
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even the tonsils
they're getting dim.
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Well anyway that,
and it talks about that
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in Ecclesiastes 12, you know
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it starts out and I
think we're familiar with this
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text which it says,
remember now thy creator
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in the days of thy youth.
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And everybody like oh
man, here comes a text
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about youth, the
rest, or a chapter about.
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This is the rest of
the story right. No, no
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this chapter is not about youth,
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it's about old age.
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And some people
who would call it
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the Golden
Years, listen to this,
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remember now thy
Creator in the days of
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thy youth, listen
how it describes old age.
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While the evil days come not,
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nor the years draw nigh,
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when thou shall say I
have no pleasure in them.
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In other words it's
calling the later years,
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the evil time in
which it's not fun anymore.
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Now you can say, well
all it's just, it just so,
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now this is, this
is what it says here.
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It says when you get to
be old it's not fun anymore
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and then it
sets off your kind of
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describing it
says, while the sun
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or the light or
the moon or the stars
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be not darkened, nor the clouds
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return after the
rain, failing eyesight.
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And so my wife
could pick these out
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because she is
able to, you know see
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that the symbolism and all this,
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but basically this text
is saying your eyes go bad,
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your hair grows
gray, I've already got one
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of those symptoms.
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Your teeth fall,
you can't hear anymore,
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you can't sleep at night,
somebody leads you around.
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Yeah, you feel like
you're going to fall,
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you're afraid to go out,
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you feel like
you're going to fall.
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And it just
describes the whole phenomena
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and then it gets up to the last
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and then it talks
about to the silver cord
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being loosed, and then it says
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the dust shall
return to the earth
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and so there is
the story of our life.
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And I wouldn't
exactly call that the gold,
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the golden years.
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I think it's the
crisis of human existence.
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When I preach sometimes,
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there will be some
young people sitting up
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on the front row
and I can't resist
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calling them forward and I'll,
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and so I'll bring a
young person forward
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and I'll say to the congregation
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I want to announce
something about this
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young person that
they may not have known.
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Did I do that in
any camp meeting,
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yes you did that, I
can remember it, yes.
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And I'm gonna announce something
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they don't know
and, then you have
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Dick Nunez and his son.
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And so I announce
that this young person,
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this young
strong beautiful person
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is old age
positive, old age positive,
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that even a new born
baby is old age positive
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and that, and then
I go ahead and tell,
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I said we're all
born old age positive
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but we don't
begin to have symptoms
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until about the age of 45.
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Now I'm not gonna
ask you how old you are?
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Oh you're not, but anyway.
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But it is
something how, when we had
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our 25th class
anniversary from high school,
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we were probably
38, 39, 40 I don't
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remember what it was.
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We were actually
more handsome and
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more beautiful than
we were when we were18.
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Well, I can agree with that.
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Yeah but they're
just, just five years
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later you begin
to see those changes.
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Suddenly it's just
one day I don't care,
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it's not about living healthy
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or your lives you know,
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it says that
skin texture changes.
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Mine's changed
tremendously just this
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past year. It's unbelievable,
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it's unbelievable
and you know where
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before you used
to, you know when
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you smile you'd
have wrinkles and then
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pretty soon you'd have wrinkles
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when you not smile.
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It's the bags underneath there,
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and the bags
under eyes and the neck
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changes and you
begin to and you see
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I remember my
father-in-law and he passed away
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when he was 88 and
he was a handsome man,
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a strong handsome
man, he sang beautifully.
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And he told us one
time, he say I look in
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the mirror and I say
what's happening to me
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and I've been, Kathy,
I've been in convalescent homes
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where the, and
this is, this is gonna
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sound terrible, where
these little prunes are,
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little prunes,
right that we love so much
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but you look over
on the chest of drawers
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and there is a
picture of a beautiful woman.
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Guess who? That same person,
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guess who, guess who.
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And you, because you
see I think in all of our
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minds when we see an
older person we think
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that's the way they always were.
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I tell people I
say I can't remember
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my grandmother
when she wasn't old.
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So therefore, but I
truly can't, I only,
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I only knew one
and they were very
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old when I was little.
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And so to you she was born old.
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Oh well I tell, you
know, she didn't get old,
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she was born old. I
don't remember thinking that
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way but I suppose
it, it was like that.
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But you know where
I'm coming from, yes.
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In other words you
only knew her as a,
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as on old
person, as an old person.
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So therefore when
she would pass on,
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it wouldn't come as
a jolt you know it was
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well she was
old anyway and then,
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it's been expected
for a while, right.
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But what about your parents,
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are your parents living?
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I still, my
mother's still living
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just turned 82 a week ago.
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But you've lost, my
father 11 years ago,
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your father.
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And you know my dad is 85
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and my mother
was 83 and it's been,
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it was just last
winter that she passed on
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and I think this
has been a little bit
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of shock for me.
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Now, when I say
shock I knew it was there.
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And you know, I
could tell the change
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but I don't think
it really impacted me
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or it wasn't impacted
until it really happened.
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And someone told me
just a few weeks ago,
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they said you know
I don't we've realized
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our mortality
till our parents die.
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Because it was always out there,
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it was always happening,
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obviously in some
horrible situation
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where our spouse
dies or a child dies
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you know that's
awful but I think
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you know all these
things being equal,
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it was suddenly
when we watch the ravages
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of old age and then
suddenly one of them
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dies and you
say what's going on.
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And you know what I think this
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has done to me; I think it's
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made me realize that I'm next,
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moving then on.
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That before it was
grandma ahead of the
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line, you know and so grandma
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and then we had years, but now
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suddenly its mom.
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And here's my dad, my dad was
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a big man, he
could always work harder,
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he was always stronger,
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you know had more energy
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than even I did
and then last year
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he has two strokes.
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And he loses the
ability to swallow
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and so now he
takes the food directly
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into his
stomach, you know so for
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him breakfast psh,
psh, a dinner is psh, psh,
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supper is psh,
psh. And we're talking
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about invalid, we're
talking about invalid,
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this is my dad. And
so as I look at that,
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it's caused me to
kind of go through
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all these
thoughts, yes of course.
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And I think that,
that's probably what,
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what the
scripture means when it says
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remember when you're young
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what it's going to be like
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and you would say, so what,
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so you can be depressed.
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No, no, no, so that
you'll live better, yes.
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You know because
young people think
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that they're going
to be young forever.
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Wouldn't bring us to a
closer world with Christ,
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it could bring us to a
closer world with Christ,
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give us clear thoughts about
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what I ought to
be now, I think so.
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Because you see
it's this idea that
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I'm immortal,
with the young people,
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I'm immortal, I'm
never going to die.
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And so with this
kind of an ideology
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they can do some crazy things
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and they think
well, you know it'll
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catch up with me but
one day it catches up
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with everybody.
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We are all
heading that direction.
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We're all heading,
and so I think that the
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sooner we look at our mortality,
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and the scripture
says look at it when
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you're young,
remember not thy creator
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when you are young so that this
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doesn't catch
you by surprise, yes.
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I see, well you
know I haven't thought of
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it quite that
way to bring it out
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in connection
with the other verses.
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Usually it's always
just the one verse along,
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that's right.
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Remember thy creator in the days
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of thy youth.
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And another
thing that's happened
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that I think is sad
and it's in our society.
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I think that in
this day of tears,
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I think that's
what this life's about,
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lets face it.
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If we've all got a
death decree against us,
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going forth of weeping.
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And so that's
right, this veil of tears,
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yes, then
originally God meant for the
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generations to
minister to each other.
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Where the old
person could be cared for,
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that the young would
look out for the old,
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because remember this
is a terrible thing to say.
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Our parents
started out diapering us,
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it ends up just the
other way, yes, yes.
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And you now that, and you know
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you could say that and there's,
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what goes around comes around.
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That they start out
caring for us helpless.
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And we end up
caring for them, okay.
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When you in that
oriental culture,
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it seems like they care
more respect for older age.
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I'm not sure just
exactly how they take care
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of someone physically,
but at least respect,
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but this culture needs
that council a great deal.
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Because we've got a great deal
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of senior citizens now.
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Well this, see this
culture is about youth.
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See this culture
is under the illusion
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that where as the years go by
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we're gonna get
younger and younger.
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And so and if it doesn't do that
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may be that's an older statement
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at least it's
broken off the youth,
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it's developed
these subcultures.
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So what they've done is that,
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they've taken something that was
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to be supportive
like a long strong beam
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that could bear
the weight of this life
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and they've cut it in pieces.
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So now the youth
have to live alone
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and they can't bear themselves.
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The youth can't
stand themselves,
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but because this
culture has broken them off
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into a subculture
then they don't have
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the support of those
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who are further down, right.
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And because each
of us are broken off,
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we don't have
the support of those
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who can give us just
the strength we need.
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So in reality
we need each other.
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It was the way
it was meant to be,
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it was to be a continual.
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And so every time we slice this
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into smaller and smaller pieces,
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we weaken the
integrity of our ability
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to live life as it really is.
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So ministering to them?
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Well you know, to us,
to them, to us, I don't.
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You know when I
think of that, them
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doesn't seem quite right,
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but ministering nevertheless.
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I'm a director
for community services
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of the community
services for the Florida
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conference among
the other things I do.
00:17:20.92\00:17:22.48
And you know what I tell
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the community service people
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and then we could
say the community service
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ladies and they tend to be
00:17:27.07\00:17:28.38
on the higher circle, right.
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I say if you do nothing else
00:17:31.07\00:17:33.97
in community services,
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minister to the aged, yes.
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And I really mean that, now
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I'm not saying that
the street people are not
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worthy or that,
you know the poor
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and the needy,
right, and people who've had
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tragedy that these.
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But you see the greatest tragedy
00:17:52.25\00:17:54.35
is old age. You see you can't,
00:17:54.38\00:17:56.77
you can't recover from that.
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There is no cure
for that and you know
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I mean there is a cure for most
00:18:01.05\00:18:02.02
everything else. You know,
00:18:02.03\00:18:03.30
I'll get a loan or
I'll get a new house
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or I'll let my house burn down,
00:18:05.78\00:18:06.82
those kind of cures.
00:18:06.85\00:18:07.82
But what do you
do about this and
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so I just plead with them.
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One year I did a survey in the
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Florida conference
and I had the ladies
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locate the shut-ins,
00:18:16.17\00:18:17.88
now they weren't ten millions.
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You know it wasn't
that many per church.
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Then I wish the
churches out there who
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are participating
with us in this program
00:18:24.54\00:18:26.79
that you would
do a survey of the
00:18:26.82\00:18:30.26
old people, the
shut-ins in your church.
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And that you
would then say our first
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responsibility is to
minister to these people.
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Because, doesn't it
say in the book of James,
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pure religion and
undefiled is to visit
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the widows and the orphans.
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And Kathy I interpret widows
00:18:47.54\00:18:50.45
as being grandma, yes.
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This has to be, well
certainly they're included.
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This has to be
the people that are in
00:18:55.13\00:18:56.76
the old folks home yes.
00:18:56.79\00:18:58.29
You know I even heard,
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oh this is awful
case and I hope it
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never happen again where one
00:19:02.35\00:19:04.36
church in some place
they dis-fellowshipped.
00:19:04.39\00:19:07.47
You know they took her name off
00:19:07.50\00:19:08.51
the church
rolls, because she was
00:19:08.54\00:19:09.81
in-convalescent at
home and couldn't come
00:19:09.84\00:19:11.26
to church anymore, really.
00:19:11.29\00:19:12.45
And I thought oh no, no.
00:19:12.48\00:19:15.37
That will be painful. But anyway
00:19:15.68\00:19:18.13
that what missionary work,
00:19:18.16\00:19:20.96
it is sweeter than to
minister to these weak.
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You bear in mind that
when your mate's dead,
00:19:25.70\00:19:29.62
yes, you wake up everyday
00:19:29.65\00:19:31.41
your body just hurts you so bad.
00:19:31.44\00:19:33.69
Your kids don't
care about you anymore;
00:19:33.72\00:19:36.42
you've lost all your influence.
00:19:36.45\00:19:37.82
You don't, your
finances are busted, yes.
00:19:37.85\00:19:41.04
You can't fly
away from your body,
00:19:41.07\00:19:43.54
you can't get
out, you're trapped.
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You are doing time
that only death will
00:19:44.76\00:19:46.66
set you free. If this isn't the
00:19:46.69\00:19:48.75
greatest
missionary work that we could
00:19:48.78\00:19:50.53
in a nurturing sense,
00:19:50.56\00:19:52.21
I can't think of
anything else that would be.
00:19:53.14\00:19:54.87
You know I think
that this thing with mom
00:19:55.84\00:19:58.99
and dad has made me think about
00:19:59.02\00:20:03.61
the coming of Jesus, in the way
00:20:03.64\00:20:04.65
that I didn't do before.
00:20:04.68\00:20:06.21
You know and you
hear me keep reminiscing,
00:20:06.24\00:20:09.56
a number of years
ago we talked about
00:20:09.59\00:20:11.41
the coming of Jesus a lot, yes.
00:20:11.44\00:20:13.07
You see my daddy
when he was a young man,
00:20:13.10\00:20:16.11
he didn't think he
would ever grow old
00:20:16.14\00:20:19.51
enough to be, to finish college
00:20:19.54\00:20:20.91
or to be married, yes.
00:20:20.94\00:20:22.11
Jesus was coming.
And they believed,
00:20:22.14\00:20:24.91
the Seventh-day Adventist church
00:20:24.94\00:20:26.93
was built on the blessed hope.
00:20:26.96\00:20:28.43
And then suddenly it seemed like
00:20:29.46\00:20:30.78
when he didn't come,
and we still believe it.
00:20:30.81\00:20:32.47
Well, it may be, it
may be intellectually,
00:20:33.26\00:20:36.72
but in a way at
least in my life time
00:20:36.75\00:20:39.97
we began to create
our own heaven on earth.
00:20:40.00\00:20:41.99
You see when we
were poor and when were
00:20:43.01\00:20:44.89
little
prosecuted yeah, then we say
00:20:44.92\00:20:47.08
this earth is not my home, yes.
00:20:47.11\00:20:49.36
I'm just passing
through, my treasures are.
00:20:49.39\00:20:50.55
Well just as soon as
you get a couple of cars
00:20:50.58\00:20:52.69
and you get you know nice house,
00:20:52.72\00:20:54.21
you can never get paid
off, don't want to get.
00:20:54.24\00:20:56.52
Then pretty soon
you'll say well really I,
00:20:56.55\00:20:58.21
severed from
it. Yeah, rather not
00:20:58.24\00:21:00.38
be severed from
it. Yeah. And so,
00:21:00.41\00:21:02.44
I think what this old age,
00:21:02.47\00:21:04.84
this close up view
of it with dad and mom,
00:21:04.87\00:21:08.16
it made me realize that
00:21:08.19\00:21:12.48
we're not getting
out of this side the
00:21:12.51\00:21:14.96
coming of Jesus, right.
00:21:14.99\00:21:16.06
That it is the blessed hope,
00:21:16.09\00:21:17.96
that it's the resurrection,
00:21:17.99\00:21:18.96
the trumpet sill
sound and the dead in Christ
00:21:18.97\00:21:21.35
shall raise first,
that's what we need to have
00:21:21.38\00:21:23.07
a hold on. Isn't this true
00:21:23.10\00:21:24.27
and you know I
thought of the mighty men,
00:21:24.30\00:21:26.38
I don't know if you've read
00:21:26.41\00:21:28.29
about President Reagan, you know
00:21:28.32\00:21:29.90
he has Alzheimer's disease, yes.
00:21:29.93\00:21:30.91
And I was reading
a little article and
00:21:30.94\00:21:34.20
they said he
doesn't know anymore who is,
00:21:34.23\00:21:36.40
here he was this man influenced
00:21:36.43\00:21:38.51
the whole planet so much, yes.
00:21:38.54\00:21:40.76
And they said that
the secret service stands
00:21:40.79\00:21:43.29
near by and he
throws leaves in the
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swimming pool and then they
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clean them out and he throw.
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And I thought this
is what you get power,
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influence, fame and
then you're throwing leaves
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in the swimming pool
and they're pulling them out
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and see. It makes you wanna say,
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Oh Jesus, come Lord
Jesus, have mercy, yes.
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Do you know, you know
even in the scripture,
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yes, I don't think we
read about it very often,
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but David that
powerful man after God's own
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heart, yes, yes.
It doesn't say he got
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Alzheimer's but he
must have had dementia.
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Because, because it
says that in his old age
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in winter they had
a young woman sleeping
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with him to keep him
warm, and he didn't know
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that she was even there, right.
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What does that tell you?
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The old man David,
yes, that man of God,
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he couldn't tell where
they, what was going on, right.
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But you see the Bible,
are you clearly depressed?
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Well, let's do something else.
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No, but you see what this does,
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it drives us to Jesus, yes.
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Now, you can go
out and say well,
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let's eat, drink
and be merry before
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tomorrow we die.
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You know that's one
tax that people take,
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well this is all it
is, I'm gonna do it right.
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But this is to burn
the candle on both ends.
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This is lose, lose, yes.
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But this kind of
knowledge says no
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I'm going to live
my life in ministry
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for others, wisely.
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See, this is what
I've been thinking lately.
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I thought a selfish
life is going to end up
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a loser; it's a
bitter life because we could
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never have our lusts fulfilled.
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And that because
we have to be old
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and die one time,
the thing that makes
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life meaningful along
the way will be service
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to others, yes.
Well, yes otherness.
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And that's what
Jesus' life was about.
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He knew that at
the end of the line
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he was going to be crucified
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and if he didn't
sit around in a little
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bowl thinking about it,
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you know, he made it
worth while, untenable.
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But all the time
He's thinking of others
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and that thinking
of others is giving him
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the strength to
bear, to keep on,
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with his mission.
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And so we live
in a society that's
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so selfish, and
it's not preparing us
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for inevitable, yeah.
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And really the
way we prepare for
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the inevitable is to
work and think for others.
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Don't you think
so? Yes I think so.
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You know I want to
invite our audience
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to write or call
3ABN and for topics
00:24:01.83\00:24:08.13
for the future on
Thinking About Home.
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I would be happy to
take your suggestion,
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and maybe there
would be something
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that you would
suggest that we could work on.
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And would meet
your needs or some area
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that the Lord
would bless you on,
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the address is 3ABN, PO Box 220,
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West Frankfort, Illinois 62896.
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And the 800 number
is, 1-800-752-3226.
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Now before we
close there is another
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subject that we can go out with
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and that's the
subject of dysfunction.
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Well I, you know
I don't know how far
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to go into this. Well it
doesn't seem like it would
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exactly relate but
there is some relationship
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to what we're
talking about here, isn't it?
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I think what you
are mentioning is that
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we live in a
generation that really
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is so cut off from its past.
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And if it's not
cut-off it wants to accuse
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the other generation, yes.
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And I think when you
mentioned dysfunction
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it reminds us of
that text in Proverbs,
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which says there is a generation
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that hates his father
and despises his mother,
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Proverbs 30. And I
think that you said earlier
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that in other cultures
they respected their aged.
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They respected the
generations that may,
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you see this one
doesn't, orient culture.
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This one not only
doesn't respect it,
00:25:25.11\00:25:27.27
it lives a selfish
life, but it accuses its past.
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In other words,
lining them for what I am.
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For what I am, well the
reason that I'm what I'm,
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and here my father
might be 85 years old,
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well father did it
to me, he messed up,
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and have mercy
on him, have mercy.
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Sure he had flaws,
don't we have any flaws.
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Surely he made
mistakes, haven't we made any?
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But this idea that in
this generation we want to say
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well all my troubles
are the cause of my fathers
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or my
grandfathers or my environment.
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And so just as soon
as we say that Kathy,
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we're saying hey don't blame me.
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I'm not
responsible for the way I act.
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So what this is doing
is perpetuating the sins,
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in fact this
becomes literally descending
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the sins of the
fathers upon the children,
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into the third
and forth generation.
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I think one of the
greatest problems that we have
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in this whole area, is not only
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not respecting our aged,
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the fifth
commandment says honor your
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father and
mother. It doesn't say if
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they were good
guys, it doesn't say if
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they were
ministers or Bible workers.
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Well, how are you going to,
00:26:29.31\00:26:30.29
how are you going to
explain that to the ones
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who have really
abused. I mean I always
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think about that,
really abused their children.
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I think in the last
few seconds of the program
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we get really get into that.
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We can't get into except to say
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that God gives us a
gift of forgiveness, yes,
00:26:46.45\00:26:49.45
for our sakes. For our sakes
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and you see this gift
of forgiveness enables us
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to get on with our
lives, it enables me
00:26:54.70\00:26:56.29
to see my aged
father with compassion.
00:26:56.32\00:26:58.74
To have mercy on
him, and administer to him
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in spite of what I
might perceive that he might
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or might not have done.
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Oh how important it
is that we recognize
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our own
responsibility, that we pray
00:27:10.43\00:27:12.87
that God will help
us to forgive those,
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albeit our parents
that have wronged us, right.
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And then if we'll do that,
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he'll give us grace, amen, amen.
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We need that gift of
forgiveness, absolutely.
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You know we've
been ending with prayer.
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We want to do that again,
00:27:26.98\00:27:28.65
we want to ask the
audience to join us again
00:27:28.68\00:27:31.74
on Thinking About
Home, but stick with us,
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we're gonna pray for you.
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Heavenly Father, in
a special way we pray
00:27:35.39\00:27:38.41
for the aged. O
Lord, this great crisis
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not only do we pray
for them, we pray that
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you will come
quickly, oh come Lord Jesus,
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yes, sound that great trumpet,
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that trumpet of resurrection
we pray in Jesus name.
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We look forward
to that wonderful day
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through Jesus
Christ our Lord, Amen.
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