Hi I'm Kathy
Matthews and this is
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Thinking About
Home, welcome back.
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We've been doing a
series on plain talk.
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And our guest has
been the director of
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men's ministries of
the Florida Conference of
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Seventh-Day Adventists,
Pastor Richard O'Ffill.
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And I'm glad you are
here again I enjoy so much
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to talk that we do.
There we are as always
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it's been
wonderful. And of course as
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you've told our
audience you know we used
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to say a viewing
audience, but now we can say
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viewing and
listening audience, yes,
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and as much as 3ABN
now has radio, oh yes,
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isn't that wonderful? Yes
it is and I didn't realize
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but they just informed
me that this is going out
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over the air, yeah,
on the radio as well.
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So we would also
greet the radio listeners.
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Yes let's do it. But
you know we are talking
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plain talk and of
course I hope that those who
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have joined this will
understand that we are
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talking about some
pretty basic things and
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of course you know
we would have pretend
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that we have the
last word and that we are
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writing everybody else
is wrong. It's just that
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we think that there are
several ways to see some
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things and that maybe
we are seeing the things
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much too narrow that
there are other options,
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right. And
especially we as Christians,
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we must
understand, most definitely,
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that the society in which
we live is not our friend.
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No it isn't, it's
really against us generally.
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And if we just take
our lives as a society
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prescribes we are
gonna lose everything,
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right. You know Dickey
you were telling me about,
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did you were talking
with the pediatricians.
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isn't that right? I was
talking with pediatricians.
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I don't know it
tell me about that,
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I was attending I
think it was, where was I,
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I guess I was in a church.
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I was thinking it was
a medical/dental retreat.
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But it was in the
church and between meetings
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a pediatrician came to
me and he said of his own
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initiative. He said you
know this tension deficit
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disorders they called
I think that's what they
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call it. He says I
think that's environmentally
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induced. Was this
recently? Oh it's just within
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the last couple of
months. Now before we discuss
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this first of all
I'm not a medical person,
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I don't pretend to
say that there would be
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never an instance
in which there would be
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some kind of a
chemical imbalance, right,
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of that, in other
words some kind of a real
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physiological or
whatever. But I want to come
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from the point
where the pedestrian was.
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And he says I think
that the children are being
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hyperstimulated, he says
I think that the environment
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is creating some of
these things for which
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we are having to
prescribe what they call that
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pills, the source,
Ritalin? Yeah what does it call?
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Ritalin, Ritalin. I
think something like that.
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And so here our children
are living in these almost
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an unbearable society
and they are the victims
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and they are having
to take medicine to be
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able to survive. And I
could have think about it.
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I thought you know
what it would be like
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if you were 10
years old and your parents
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were getting a
divorce or had gotten divorce
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and you are having
to spend the weekend
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with daddy or your
parents are in the process
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of getting divorce,
they are screaming at
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each other. And they
treat in bitterness, yes,
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and then for your
fun for your spare time
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you are playing, on
the toys, yeah on the
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computer games. And
the place is going well
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and then you're
supposed to go to school and
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listen to the teacher,
who teach you arithmetic.
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And the only thing
that seems to stimulate
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you are the games you've
been playing, this is it.
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I was even talking to
some teachers recently
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and I said what does it
like? And I talked to one
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teacher and she said
we have to almost put
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on a circus, to get
them to listen, to get
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them to listen,
yes. Because they are
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accustomed to this
hyper stuff, Bob and I has
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experiences with
that sort of thing,
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trying to take care
of some Sabbath school
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classes sometime.
And not only that but
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if you are at a larger
function where there is
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a lot more children,
it's much harder you got.
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This fragment and
thinking disability,
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the lack of ability
to focus and concentrate
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for any decent period of
time, it's very difficult.
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What I think that
obviously is a product of
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the age and as Christian
parents and grandparents,
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I think we are going
to have to be, no one uses
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the word too often
intentional again because
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I think in our series
we've been saying that
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if the society is gonna
do us in. All we have to do
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is do nothing and we
lose, yes. This is like being
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in a river going
towards a cataract or so.
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Well in a garden you
have to plant good seed,
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if you don't put you'll
get nothing, that's right.
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No, you are gonna get
something, you get weeds
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because they are already
there. Isn't that the true?
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Right, oh yeah. And
so, and so we've got
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to do something to
resist the deterioration
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because it doesn't
say in Isaiah, intentional
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planting, exactly. See
the Book of Isaiah says
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that the time would
come in which the darkness
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would cover the earth and
gross darkness the people.
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And I don't know what
is going to be like before
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this is over, but it's
getting pretty gross Kathy
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is getting. And
who is the victim,
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see I have felt that
when the scripture says
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that in the last days
the love of many with wax
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coat, yes. That the
first victim of that would be
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the home, because
of the home is about
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voluntary love. And
that would be the enemy's
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intention. It'll
break up the home, yes.
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And of course the poor
little victims of this are
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the children, yes.
And so you know sometimes
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I pray Oh come Lord
Jesus because these little
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children who are coming
out of current situation,
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what chance do
they have? Almost none,
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and that's truly a
miracle when they come turn
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around and give
their hearts to Lord.
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And this is why I
think we ought to pray that
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Jesus will come
because this is, you know,
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don't
misunderstand me I'm making an
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overstatement. But
if Jesus doesn't come
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one of these days,
there's not gonna be anything
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to get. Will I find
faith? Will I find faith in the
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earth? See, now it's
not that our generation
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and you will hear me
referred our generation and
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their generation and all
that. And you don't really
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like doing that and
you, don't you ever.
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When you get
white hair like I got.
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But you see we want
perfect but we knew the
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difference in other
words we could tell right
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from wrong. But my
conviction is that this
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generation, you see
for this generation,
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I mean to get off
on another subject,
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to this generation
adultery and fornication
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are none issues. In
other words back in our age
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that was a problem
but we knew the difference
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but this generation
doesn't know the difference.
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Comes from the feel good
do it. And so here we are,
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so what are we gonna
do to save our children.
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Well what we are
doing because husbands
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and wives are working
and so we've got to entertain
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them. And so when they
are not at the babysitters,
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the television is
entertaining or we are
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buying them these
games and by the way you know
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games are expensive
these days. The price tag,
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no I don't, I don't buy
a lot of them I'm sorry.
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Yeah. You know Kathy
and I were talking about
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games before the
program and we were saying
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that when we were little
guys or when our children
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were, oh yes,
remember that, yes.
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I took a rock
and a piece of wood.
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And well we grew up
on a farm it was a cotton
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and rice farm and it
was easy for us to copy
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what daddy did or
what mommy did and if were
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copying with my, and I
played in the dirt with
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my brother if we were
copying what daddy did,
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we were growing rice,
it's right. Or cotton and
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we were making levies
and roads in the dirt and
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lot of kids, some
kids would do that but the
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majority of kids
that's just not stimulating
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enough. Well you know
what I've noticed and again
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I know the people
make their living you know
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manufacturing toys and
selling them and so forth,
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so we wouldn't
want to be, you know,
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disrespectful with
that. But you know when
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you buy a truck all
you can do to truck,
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when you started doing
truck. You know what my
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grandchildren say, it
can't be anything but a truck,
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yeah it can't be
anything but a truck. Right.
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No creativity there, I
can remember when my children
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were small they
would go to the kitchen and
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they would, you
know open the cupboards
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and they get out the
Tupperware. Yes, yes.
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They could play, you
know even Rachel was just
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telling us about a
little baby that she was
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babysitting that
had more fun getting out
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Tupperware, oh yes.
And could actually play
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with the
Tupperware for an hour or two,
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but you know I noticed
my little grandchildren with
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some of these things
every five minutes grandpa
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I am bored. Yes,
yes. And it's because may
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be in some of these
toys that are so mechanical
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and even they are
so mechanical, they
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are real that there is
not this, what do you call
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at this creativity, yes;
you were saying something
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about that. Element
of creativity there or a
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different kind crops
when you go into the games.
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Over stimulation
I remember one of my
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favorite books is
the desire of ages.
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And there is a
statement in there that go
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something like this.
The more quite and simple
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the life of a child,
the more can do so to mental
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and spiritual life,
yes. No I'm not saying put
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them in a closet, no,
by all means please don't
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misunderstand me. But
to have quietness that
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a person can think
that's almost done hardly.
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Oh yes, right. You
know these computer games
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and again you know
we don't wanna just
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categorically say that
everything out there is bad
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in the computers that
every computer game would
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be bad. But
they are tremendously
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nerve wracking, oh I
know it. You know these are,
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somebody was saying
I don't know who it was
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they said that some
of these young men that
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going to the arm
forces these days. Oh,
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Tom was telling you
that, the Tom was telling
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you that. Repeat
that, well I think it was,
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he had been talking to
a recruiter or a commander
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or somebody who was in
the military and he said,
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oh he was a
member of our church,
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he was a member of our
church who is in military.
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Well actually there is
a member that comes to our
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church, he is not
yet a member, he is
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a husband. But
anyway he is in the military
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and he said that the
observation has been with
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the young people
that are coming, young men
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that are coming in to
the military that they put
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a gun in their hands
and they are already sharp
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shooters, they are
already dead shots because
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they've played so many
of these games that are
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violent games where
they have to shoot that
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they don't have to be
trained to be a good aim
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or a good shot.
Isn't that amazing?
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They already know how to do it.
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They've never had gun in
their hands in this sense
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like the military
would have them to do, yeah.
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Nerves of steel and,
ahhaa I don't know but
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anyway this thing right
there is frightening to me?
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It is, it is, it's amazing.
Well I think that in our
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homes we owe it to
the teachers to slow down
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our lives a little bit and
our children of the product
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of their homes. Now I
recognize that there are
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some terrible things
going on in the homes
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for example, you
know homes are breaking up
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single parents, yes.
Now you know I can't tell
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you what is like
to be a single parent.
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I can tell you what
is like to have a son who
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abuses drugs,
he is an alcoholic,
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I can tell about that.
We can recognize it as hard.
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I can talk about
many things but that one
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I can't talk about being
a single parent and so our
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hearts go out, yes,
out to the single parents.
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But yet how can
they, how can we altogether
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with them move in
the direction of trying
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to stop this
freefall, it's friendly.
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We are almost in
a freefall, yeah.
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And I think that
we've got to save you know
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if I'm going to
save my own sanity, yes.
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And if I'm going
to raise same children
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I've got to slow
things down, yes.
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And you see, one of the
problems is that because
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of our selfishness we
don't want to spend much
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time with our children
and this is why to set them
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down in front of
computer game that solves our
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problems. Because
they can just go from one
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game to the next
and you can imagine what
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it does to them, that
just start selfishness
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coming out so. I
think it is, absolutely.
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Because if we would
spend quality time with them,
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it would be at the
level at the emotional and
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the energy level of
the computer game surely,
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how can you do that.
Well I don't know a lot of
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people might because
that's what they've been
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may be a lot of them
have done themselves and
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gone caught in good
and that might be quality
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time there, it might
be. But I think people are,
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I think many people
and that's what I hope
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for our audience is
that they are looking
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for something better
looking for what God would
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have them to do, yes.
And to replace that people
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sicker, many people are
becoming very sick of this,
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they are looking
for something better.
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Because, because
things are going wrong, yes.
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In other words you
would think that if what
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society is teaching
us, what's the way to go
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that things would be
getting better and better
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and they are really
not. Violence is now not
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only simulated in the
videos, violence is now
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become real in the
schools and we know the
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stories that we can
talk about that. Yes we do.
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You know, I think, I
think Kathy that is coming
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upon us as parents
and as grandparents to
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provide an environment
in our homes that are safe,
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that hold some and
they are I even say Holy,
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they are even I
say Holy, oh yes.
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And see this brings
up to the subject that
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I don't know if you are
willing to discuss with me
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a little bit. Are you
going to pull new one here
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on me? New one,
it's kind of an extension
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of what we are
talking about because our
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children have their
rooms, oh yes, this is,
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oh yes I want
to talk about that;
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you want to
talk about that, yes.
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See this is junior's
room you know and so junior
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goes in and closes the
door and that's his room.
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And I don't know what
you feel about that but
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I have some feelings
about that. Well I do,
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I have some
feelings about that too.
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I recently was asking
some advice from a dear
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friend about this kind
of subject and they told me
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that they had been listening to
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actually a radio
program and I don't know who
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this was but they had
told me that this person
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reserved the right
hand and was the policy and
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instruction within their family.
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So it was an
understood thing to the children
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that at anytime
there could be room check
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and it could be
anything in the room.
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And it was understood
that was for their safety,
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it was for their good
because of the authority
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and the experience
that God had given parents.
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But for their safety they
need to be able to realize
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the room isn't theirs.
Let's see I take the position
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right along with you
that Betty and me were there
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before the children
came, yes. That will be there
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after the children
grown and our children have
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all grown and they've gone away.
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And that in a way and
some may have problems
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with this but we loan
these facilities to these
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children, yes, for the duration.
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Now they can stay there
for as long as they want.
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But that I think that we
as parents in particularly
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we as fathers have the
responsibility for that
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realistic, yes. I'm
saying in that way, yes. For
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that piece of
realistic that whatever goes
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on under that roof
that is not for junior but
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for the honor and
the glory of God, right.
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And just because the
room has a door on it,
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it doesn't mean I close
the door and this is my room
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now I do whatever I want,
I can do anything going on.
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Well we had this
creep into our thoughts that
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it has to be pride total,
total and complete privacy.
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I'm not saying that
a person shouldn't have
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a respect for the
privacy of another individual
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and even our children. But
total and complete privacy,
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oooh am I stepping on
toes here, I think it's,
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I think we need to be
careful that one of the
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reasons why parents
have lost all control in
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their home, lost control.
There is a president for
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this, may I say the
armed forces. You know people
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making flashbacks;
you know that might think
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that you are
getting a little pushy here.
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But they have
inspection, they have inspection
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for the common good. In
other words you can't have
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everybody living like a
pig for the common good,
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yes and so, and so
there is something about
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a common good, so the
common good of the family.
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That's exactly
right. Do you know,
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I would like to share
with you a little experience
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that I had I got a call
one day at the conference
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office and a man was, he
was asking that there was
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somebody that know
anything about exorcism.
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And one of the secretaries
has passed the call to me
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and so I thought when
I heard the message that
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this man was going to
do some kind of a meeting
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on exorcism and want
somebody to talk about it.
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And you know I'm
not attracted to that
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and you know
this doesn't really,
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this is not one of your,
this is more than I think,
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yes. But there is a
phone number to call and
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so I called this man
up expecting you know that
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he wanted information
let me tell you what was
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happening. He had a
15-year-old daughter.
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And she was hanging
out with devil worshipers
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and with skinheads
whatever that is. And that
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apparently,
apparently in this it's kind of
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an evil circle that
this 15-year-old girl was in
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someone had put
curses on each other and
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already two children
had committed suicide, oh.
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And now someone had
put a curse on his daughter
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and he was really
concerned, concerned.
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And he was calling
can anybody help. And
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he saw this as a
reality; this was not anything
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to play with. This
what already two children
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are dead, yes, see
in his, there is a curse
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on his daughter
whatever that means. So
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you know I, so I said
I don't run after these
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things but I recognize
that he was a father and
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that would need help
and he was basically saying
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would you come and
pray for my daughter.
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And so I got on the
phone that afternoon and
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I called some of
friends around the country who
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are my prayer
partners because I knew that
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when you go into
situation like that.
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You know you want
to have lots of prayer
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of the power of God
and the angels that are
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accompanying. And
so I made arrangements
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to go over to see him
that night. And he said my
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daughter isn't gonna be
here. I said that's alright
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you and I need to meet
each other first before
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we can pray for your
daughter, we need to get
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acquainted. In the
conversation, he mentioned
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something to me
about his daughter's room,
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remember what I am
telling, something about
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his daughter's room.
So time came I got in my
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car and as I drove
over I was praying you know
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that the Lord would
help us and give us grace
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and power. I went
knocked on the door he came
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and he met me at the
door invited me into the
00:19:05.93\00:19:09.15
family room. And we
sat down and we begin
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to get acquainted and
there was a picture of his
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daughter and she
is 15-year-old you
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can imagine, yes, you see.
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And she wasn't there
and we talked and I was
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trying to get handle on
his own spirituality, yes.
00:19:19.38\00:19:23.04
And so suddenly it
occurred to me that what he
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has said about
his daughter's room.
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And so I said may I
see your daughter's room,
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yeah what did he
say? Well why not and so
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we got up we walked
down the hallway we passed
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his 10 year old son's
room in on the wall are these
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Rambo pictures, these
machine gun stuff already
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some posters, some
posters. When we got to the end
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of the hallway
there was the room,
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his daughter's room.
Believe it or not Kathy
00:19:52.26\00:19:55.04
the trim in the
room painted in black,
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that's weird, that
alone should alert you.
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That's weird. And I
don't remember what color
00:20:01.27\00:20:03.96
that the room was
painted but it was another
00:20:03.99\00:20:05.69
weird color I mean a
black trim weird paint.
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On the walls these
awful pictures of these what
00:20:10.36\00:20:14.84
they call them
these rock groups,
00:20:14.87\00:20:17.01
what's it called this
the worst kinds of rock.
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Well there is a rave rock
and then there is rap rock,
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and it was the works
all this awful stuff,
00:20:23.61\00:20:24.90
and there all kinds of
heavy metal, heavy metal.
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These heavy metal
people and then right
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in the middle I'll never
forget, right in the middle
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of the wall was this
picture of this goat.
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I don't know a lot
about that but I think that
00:20:33.96\00:20:35.50
goat head, you
can recognize that,
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the goat head is a symbol
of this demonic stuff, yes.
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And I stand there and
I looking and taking this
00:20:40.73\00:20:43.08
stuff in and then down
on a kind of a bookshelf,
00:20:43.11\00:20:46.04
this big bunch of
paper back occult books and
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I looked at that. I
could hardly believe it.
00:20:52.52\00:20:54.19
Well anyway I don't
remember saying much we
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turned and we
walked out, we would back,
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did he not be, was
he not more concerned.
00:20:59.38\00:21:01.52
Well, no, no it's just, did
he not recognize it himself,
00:21:01.55\00:21:03.72
no we were just back.
When we get back to the family
00:21:03.75\00:21:05.96
room we sat down
and it occurred to me,
00:21:05.99\00:21:09.59
you know how the Lord,
the scripture says don't worry
00:21:11.00\00:21:14.28
about what you gonna say
it'll come to you, right.
00:21:14.31\00:21:16.43
It occurred to me
the case of Gideon.
00:21:16.46\00:21:19.41
You remember Gideon
was called to deliver
00:21:19.44\00:21:22.02
the Israelites from the
Midianites, band of 300?
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But before he could do
that, he had to get rid of,
00:21:25.28\00:21:28.42
he had to get rid
of his father's idols.
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And so one night he got
and he threw it all down
00:21:31.76\00:21:34.75
at risk of his life, yes.
So I said to this brother,
00:21:34.78\00:21:38.38
I said you know I
don't know how we can pray
00:21:38.41\00:21:42.31
for your daughter
under these conditions.
00:21:42.34\00:21:44.62
Because here she
is living with this,
00:21:45.62\00:21:47.96
not living but
associating with these skinheads
00:21:47.99\00:21:50.33
and these devil
worshipers all day,
00:21:50.36\00:21:51.85
she comes home at
night to a devil's nest.
00:21:52.37\00:21:54.71
She really doesn't
have any option wherever
00:21:55.70\00:21:57.68
she goes the devil is
there. And so I said to
00:21:57.71\00:22:01.41
him, how can a holy
angel's come in without?
00:22:01.44\00:22:03.49
How could she be delivered?
And so I said respectfully
00:22:03.52\00:22:07.43
I said I think it's
your obligation as the
00:22:07.46\00:22:10.12
spiritual head of
this home to overthrow,
00:22:10.15\00:22:11.92
I used the word
overthrow this room, yes.
00:22:11.95\00:22:13.86
I said you could go
overthrow that room.
00:22:14.61\00:22:15.58
What was his reaction?
Well he, what he could say,
00:22:15.59\00:22:18.18
what could he say?
And so I suggested that he
00:22:18.21\00:22:22.72
overthrow the room
and I said now when you do
00:22:22.75\00:22:25.42
that she'll probably
attack you physically and she
00:22:25.45\00:22:28.85
probably runaway from home.
00:22:28.88\00:22:30.09
Well anyway we spent
the rest of the time that
00:22:31.11\00:22:33.30
we were together with
a recommitment of his own
00:22:33.33\00:22:36.11
heart to the Lord Jesus
Christ, because obviously
00:22:36.14\00:22:39.13
he had slipped. He wasn't being,
00:22:39.16\00:22:41.42
he wasn't protecting
his daughter from the devil.
00:22:41.45\00:22:43.37
Well anyway I don't know
it was a week or so later
00:22:44.03\00:22:46.67
he called and he said
Pastor O'Ffill on Sunday
00:22:46.70\00:22:49.65
I went in, I didn't do
it the next day, so they
00:22:49.68\00:22:51.57
didn't do it that
night on that time. No, no.
00:22:51.60\00:22:52.73
Three or four days
passed. On Sunday he took a
00:22:52.76\00:22:56.20
bucket of paint and
he went in and he starts
00:22:56.23\00:22:57.86
painting out this
black trim, oh really?
00:22:57.89\00:22:59.70
And I said what
did your daughter do?
00:23:00.97\00:23:01.94
He said she
didn't do anything. But
00:23:01.95\00:23:03.08
when I started
ripping down those posters
00:23:04.28\00:23:05.88
then she began to
go into a rage and she
00:23:05.91\00:23:10.00
attacked me. I
said then what she do?
00:23:10.03\00:23:11.63
And she got her stuff
together and ran away.
00:23:12.82\00:23:14.03
This is what you
said, but he said. She
00:23:15.09\00:23:16.86
didn't stay going
alone? He said pretty soon
00:23:16.89\00:23:20.33
a few hours later she
came back he said we sit
00:23:20.36\00:23:23.48
down on the outside on
the porch that night and
00:23:23.51\00:23:26.00
we talked together till
2'o clock in the morning.
00:23:26.03\00:23:28.81
The first time we had
talk in cool Lord's wind.
00:23:28.84\00:23:32.58
And he came back and
he saw me years later
00:23:33.42\00:23:34.72
Kathy and he said it
was that talk that night
00:23:34.75\00:23:37.39
that turned it all
around. And I thought to myself
00:23:38.59\00:23:41.85
what chance did the
girl have? What chance,
00:23:41.88\00:23:45.39
because her father was
not protecting her, yes.
00:23:45.42\00:23:48.16
He had allowed her
under whatever like he
00:23:48.19\00:23:50.04
was saying, under
the name of privacy, yes,
00:23:50.07\00:23:52.30
of that was her room.
She could do in her room
00:23:52.33\00:23:55.06
what she wanted to
do and this is not true.
00:23:55.09\00:23:56.86
And so finally when he
exercised his leadership,
00:23:58.19\00:24:00.65
and did like
Gideon did. He gonna pray,
00:24:00.68\00:24:03.23
he gonna purge the
room then he gave her
00:24:03.26\00:24:05.36
choice back. And
that would began to be the
00:24:05.39\00:24:08.52
breakup of this power
of the darkness around her,
00:24:08.55\00:24:12.26
saving of the
daughter, yeah. Oh amen,
00:24:12.29\00:24:14.49
I'm glad to hear that
it turned up that way.
00:24:14.52\00:24:16.23
Well this story has
a happy ending, good.
00:24:16.26\00:24:18.62
But I guess that my
appeal and I think you are
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with me on this that
my appeal is that we as
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parents owe it to our
children to maintain not
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only a home where
there is no rats. Yes, or
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snakes, yes, or you
know a poison gas, yes.
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But I think we owe it
our children to providing
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the atmosphere that's
wholesome and it's moral,
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the spiritual. Now this
doesn't mean that we are
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gonna ram our
religion down their throats,
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we can't do that. But if
we are living at ourselves
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and they see the
enthusiasm of serving God
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ourselves, the joy of,
well it's bound to have
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its of good effect as well.
Well it's like now you know
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you hate use this,
may be this isn't a good
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illustration but when
I go to a hotel they fix
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the environment, in
other words they don't try
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to say this is the way
you got to live but while
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you are here this
is the way we live.
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And so I think we got
to be careful that we don't
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force
spirituality on our children.
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Because we can't get
in our heads we can't take
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away religious freedom
but I don't thing it's wrong,
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many may disagree
with me to say that in this
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house we don't play
rock and roll music all over
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the house, right. Rock music
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for example is like
smoke, if somebody in the
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house is smoking
guess who smokes,
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everybody smokes. So
if somebody in the house
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is listening to some
weird heavy metal guess
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who is listening to
it, we are all of us,
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everybody, yes. So may
be I won't say to my child
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you can't listen to heavy metal.
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I mean I don't have to
have a police force and
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an army to follow
wherever they went,
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because they are gonna
do it at some place but
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I don't think that is
wrong to say sweetheart.
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You know if you are
gonna listen to that music
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you know which is your
choice, you're gonna listen
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what type of music you
want to, but don't make
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all listen to the music
they know you love that.
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But that's where is
our duty Pastor to try to
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help them, try, strive
to help them to make choices
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from right principles,
amen. And that's not a one
00:26:14.90\00:26:19.36
time shot that's over
and over and over repetition
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is most necessary in
this and every situation
00:26:25.34\00:26:28.19
that comes up and if
it's 2'o clock in the morning
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that's when you have
to do it, that's right.
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And but the time that
it takes the energy that
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is gonna take is and the
leadership that it's gonna
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take, oh and the
leadership, that's right,
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with our children in our youth,
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unless we fight for our
homes we gonna lose them.
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Unless we'll struggle
to save our children we
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will lose them. The
devil is, the scripture says
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as a roaring lion. If
there is a roaring lion
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in your house the
first thing you do,
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you get him out. Yeah
I agree with you Dick,
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I'm going to invite our
audience to write or call
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for Thinking About Home.
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We might be able to
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00:27:18.03\00:27:22.16
for you now. We've been
talking plainly to children
00:27:22.19\00:27:26.20
and youth and we want
you to join us again next
00:27:26.23\00:27:29.87
time on Thinking
About Home but before we
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are going to have
prayer. Heavenly Father
00:27:32.46\00:27:35.09
we are thankful that
you let us share in your
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creative power
in having children.
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Lord we pray that you
will put a head around
00:27:39.92\00:27:41.33
our youth. We pray
that this roaring lion
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will be held and obey Lord, yes,
00:27:43.64\00:27:45.69
that you'll protect
our families, protect our
00:27:45.72\00:27:48.70
homes, give us the
courageous parents, yes,
00:27:48.73\00:27:50.94
to do what you are
called us to do and wake up,
00:27:50.97\00:27:53.39
we pray this in
Jesus name thanking him
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for all he has done
for us and for all he.
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