Hi, I am Kathy Matthews and
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this is Thinking About Home.
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We've been
discussing many subjects on home
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and family and we
are in part 3 of a
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series called Plain
Talk. And today we're going to
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be discussing
more about Plain Talk
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to wives and
women. Our guest today is
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director of Men's
Ministries of the Florida
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Conference of
Seventh -Day Adventist Pastor
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Dick O'Ffill. How
are you? Well thank you,
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as I was listening to
you make the introduction
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I thought of the words
Plain Talk, what's Plain
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Talk means, what means
that. It' just Plain Talk,
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it means we're gonna
do Plain Talk and then
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I was thinking when
you introduced me as the
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Director of Men's
Ministry for the Florida
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Conference. Especially
we are talking to woman;
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I know I thought of it. It
is like who are you to talk
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about. Well obviously,
Kathy it's gonna be up
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from mans point of
view, because I am sure that
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woman have lot to
say about men but from a
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feminine point of view,
from woman's point of view.
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Well you know I think
lot of times what we here is
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what woman think, there
is a mood, there is such a
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mood where it everything
you see in here is what
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woman think I rarely
get to hear what men think.
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Can I tell you something
between us, am I wrong,
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maybe it's just me. I
am gonna, I am just simply
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gonna bear what you
are saying that oh I hardly
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have the courage to
say this do you know that
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when woman get together
correct me if I am wrong
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woman will get
together and talk about their
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husbands you know
what doesn't happen,
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men getting together
and talk about their wives,
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they don't talk
about their wives,
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this is a strange
thing. Now they might talk
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about things they
shouldn't talk about,
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but they don't
talk about their wives.
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And so I merely saying
it's really true that we
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do hear a woman's
perspective and I think
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as we said in earlier
programs there is a kind
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of revolution going
on men are being kind of
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disenfranchised in
fact maybe I am using the
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word that is too
strong almost being
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emasculated, yes,
that the masculine role
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is being
re-examined being redefine,
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but I really feel
that the problem we face is
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not a problem, the
problem in the home is
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not a man's problem
it's the men and the women
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and I think that's
why we've chosen to talk
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about, about
wives and woman today.
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Well literally it's
the sinful nature, it's the
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sin in us, I think
so, this is the problem,
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but you know it's
identified as men or
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women, that's right
and we do have our unique
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problems there is
no, no doubt about that,
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but if the women
got together and solved
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all their problems
and then we still have the
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men's problems. If
the men get together and
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solved all their, but
you can't do that because all
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the women's
problems are men's problems,
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it's not possible,
that's true, that's good.
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I wanted to ask you
this question how do you
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suppose that the
Women's Lib Movement has
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affected women as
wives. Well now remember what
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we said, because it
has affected, absolutely
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as I would we just said
a moment ago this is gonna
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be from a man's
perspective, a man's
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perspective, and anyway
I think that there needed
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to be a midcourse
correction and in other
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words, it's kind of
late course isn't it, well
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better late then
never show you say, oh yes,
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better late then
never, midstream you mean,
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midstream and so the
worst things that needed
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to be corrected and
but however perhaps this is
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an over statement,
but way up high there are
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women's organizations
that are led of course by
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women and these
women are not always
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sympathetic to the
home I don't think I need to
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go in great details, so
way up high philosophically,
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what might appear to
liberate women in its
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most extreme manifestations
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could be an enemy of
the home as we've known
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and understood couldn't
it. Well I think it has been
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I don't think it could be
think it definitely has been.
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I have a friend that
went to affair and I think the
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idea of Women's
Lib is to uplift women.
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Well, at a booth there
she realized that she had
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to do with this
women's lib and other
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organization, and she
was downed for having long
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hair for a lady that
was progressive wouldn't
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have really long
hair, okay, okay, okay and
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suddenly wouldn't be
happy just being a mother
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at home. So it was
downing you as a woman,
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yeah, and you know
it's interesting how it can
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down you in one way
and lift you up another,
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but it supposed to be all
for women, but that didn't
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work they backfired
for her when she heard this
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it didn't make
her impressed by this
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women's lib
attitude, feminist attitude,
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it's a feminist
attitude and I guess I hear
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you saying that, that
there is an image that's
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projected by these
leaders and, yes, and it's
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really an
intimidating image because if
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there was and this is
what we go back to what
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we said before if
there was a mistake before
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I think we are making
another mistake because
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if there was you know
what they are saying is
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unless you are woman
like us you know you are
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not a woman, yes, well
I don't think that's fair.
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I think there is a lot
of woman too that have even
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written books that what
they thought it had started
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out as is not what it
is, and some of them are
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backing off and, and
trying to advice women,
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but this is really
not where you want to go,
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exactly, it is ruining,
it's gonna ruin your home,
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it's gonna hurt you a
lot. Well if there were some
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positive things
to say about the,
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about the movement it
would be that there has
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been more sensitivity
are given to the woman
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as a person, yes, and to
her rights, okay there is
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the strength so, I think
that would be the strength
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and of course on
the weakness side,
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and intelligence, women
every way we are finding
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out that woman are
capable, they are creative
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and that they can
virtually operate in any arena,
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I might just say as a
kind of little parenthesis.
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I like the idea of
woman in as doctors
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as medical doctor.
Well, for the simple reason.
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Kathy I used to
live overseas in a Muslim
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environment, who
else can, and Muslim woman
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didn't go to male
doctor, to male doctors,
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and so I wish I mean
may their tribe increase,
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I think that woman ought
to go through, better tribe
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increase, of course
without, we have your
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blessing, and so that
there is something right about
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this, there is something
right and however as we
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say that the dangers
are that it would be like us
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men that if we, you
know we had to corner on the
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market and we are
thinking only of ourselves
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it wouldn't be hard for
that to go to the other side
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and we would be
perpetuating but from
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the other side the
evils of the past, wanted some
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more of the
weakness of it though.
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Well you should tell
me, you are the woman.
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Well I think one of the
worst is the abandonment
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of the home, yeah,
living the role of the one thing
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that can be so
satisfying as being a mother
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and a good wife
onsidering others I heard
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of yourself like the
scripture tells us that we
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should, instead of
just thinking of yourself.
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You know, when you
talk about leaving the home.
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See there would be a
whole group of people
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Kathy of your sex,
who would say you know
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so who says we got
to be in the home see in
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the other words they
would see that there is a
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problem right off, I know
my name is gonna to be mud.
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But God, in other
words who did God create to
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be mother, who did
God create to be wives as
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women, who did God
create to be father's,
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who did He create
to be husband it's men.
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So, really there
are something going on
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it's not right, this is
not right, and by the way
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I heard a story one
time, I was there in Africa,
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and I was talking with
a wife and mother there
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and she and her husband
just got over their mission
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service and apparently
just before they had left
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to go overseas she had
attended the wedding of
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her sister, you
won't believe this, and so,
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and she didn't
mean anything by it.
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She said to her
sister well how many children
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do you and John you
know plan to have and
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she said my sister said
we don't think we're gonna
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reproduce ourselves,
she said I didn't know what
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isn't incredible that
something is going on,
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you know women are
being told you know
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don't let
children mess up your life.
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There is someone that
I spoke to in last year,
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who had similar
experience and some
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they were standing in
the kitchen together and
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younger woman ask the
elder one and this subject
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came up about
children and the younger one
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thought it was
demeaning and degrading to the
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body, yeah, that would
be, and that's having had
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children now that
the Lord gave me 'cause
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I was married 10
years before I had the first
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one and it was pride for
a child that is a hard thing
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for me to take. I get
really sad when woman want
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to get away from their
children and so I think all
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of this movement has
affected the woman and
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wanting to get away
from it all, not only that is
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devalued, it's
devalued the women if you are
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mother, if you are a
wife, you know where is
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your value, you need a
career. Let me tell you
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something, and I am
you know I am not trying to
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make it hard on
women who have to work as
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wives and mothers but we
need to realize just those
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characters that we can
develop, oh yeah, and the
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work that we can do with
our husbands I think there
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is that counsel too,
yeah, wining our husbands to
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the Lord by our chased behavior.
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You know, when I
preach sometimes I say,
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you know we men
have not changed much
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through the years, now
hang on are you ready or
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you adjust your seat belt
on, yes, I say wish till the
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dirty old men we've always been.
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Oh, you better explain
yourself, now what I am
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saying is that you
know the men who are the one
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standed on telling
dirty jokes, yes, I am talking
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generically, yes,
consonants where I am
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telling dirty jokes, I
said we men really in the 21st
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century we haven't
changed, we are the same
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dirty old men we've
always been, basic nature.
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You know who is changed though,
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the woman have
changed. Now don't be upset with
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me, but really, really
now the woman and there
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were things that need
to be corrected but I don't
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think the woman
needed to come down Kathy to
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our level. I mean
come down to our level,
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I understand that. I
was standing in a pharmacy
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one time and for
some reason or another
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you know a young lady
was upset, but you know
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she whipped into
dirty talk and she said I'm
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gonna jump across this
whatever this is you know
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and lead you up
or something, now you
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know maybe I am old
fashioned, just been
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watching the
wrestling game, I saw to myself
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I can't believe this.
Now it's true that it didn't
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use to be that way
when the men were around the
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women they watch how
they talk, they didn't tell
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dirty jokes, but I have
been told, some respect,
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there was respect.
I've been told that by men
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who work in public
and I am not putting women
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down, that it's
nothing wrong to be working out
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in business and
having women foul mouth and
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telling dirty jokes all,
yes, and so if women have
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been liberated to tell
dirty jokes and to be foul
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mouth this doesn't sound
like the liberation of the
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daughters of God, it
does have son like me, no not
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at all, and the daughters
of God need carefully not
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to partake of
that, of course and to
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avoid it at all
cost. Now, I say something
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else I mean I told
you at the beginning I was
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gonna be kind of a men's
perspective to this, yes.
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Now I hope said
those who are with us,
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you haven't misunderstood
when I say that we men
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are basically the
same I am talking about by
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nature, I am not
talking about Christian,
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you know, I am
talking about generic, but
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do you know who
sets the moral climate,
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now this is gonna
be my personal opinion,
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the moral climate for
a society I say it's the
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women, what, are you
ready, it could to be
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designers no. Well
but you see, you see in an
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environment, well
it's true, or in a moral,
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in sexual relationship,
yes, who is that throws
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the green light, who
is that sets the climate,
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in other words there
is something these days
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about and this is
very critical and some may
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disagree with it,
where the women seem to be
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getting more overtly
immoral by the way they
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dress, by the way they
act, by the aggression,
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the sexual aggression,
and of course for us men
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who were the same
dirty old men, we've always
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been this is bringing
out the worst, number one in
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men and number two I
believe it's degrading
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the women, you know,
it is, God created women
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last, it was His very
best effort, she was the
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crowning act of His
creation. Now, there
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would be those who
would disagree with you,
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you said it this is
from personal opinion on
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women's opinion, oh
of course, of course,
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and I guess I have
to bring it out not
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necessarily that I
agree with the site because
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I think I personally
with my age and experience
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agree with you that the
women is setting the tone
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on lot of this, but you
know I've talked to some
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young people who would
say what about those men
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who need to keep God
on their mind, who need to
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reserve themselves,
restrain themselves and
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be the Christian man
that they ought to be, right,
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but you know a man is
still a man and you put
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certain things in his
face. I am glad, you're gonna
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have drumble. Now,
I think that is very
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important what you've
just brought out that we
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men as dirty old men
are going to have to give
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account to God, there
is no doubt about that.
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This dirty mind
is unacceptable, its
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incompatible, and he
asks us to think on that which
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is pure, which is
pure. However, however
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and I use this illustration
and it's a wife and mother
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illustration especially
for the mothers who have had
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experience having
little children, I would know
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that if you are
preparing dinner or if I was
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preparing dinner
and I have a pot on the
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stove that has a handle
sticking out over the edge
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and I am boiling
water and I know I've got
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toddlers running
around who can hit that and
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scroll themselves.
Now I could say well
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that's not my
responsibility that's
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their responsibility
I didn't do anything
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you would say wait a
minute it's irresponsible
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for a person who is
cooking things on a stove
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to leave a handle when
there is a little child
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running around, right,
now you can't say it's the
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child's problem, and so
I guess what I am saying
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as a man that I know
we men have a problem in
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this area, but I wish
that the women of God would
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get together and
say you know we can't be
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excessive after the fact
and scripture talks about
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being chased in,
being modest, and modest,
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and it has a lot to say
about that, a lot to say
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about the responsibility
of a women in the area of
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moral purity. So
that even Christian women
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have taken on feminist
ideas and really promoted
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selfish thoughts that I
can be what I want to be and
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you are not
suppose to think anything,
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that's right, and this
is a sad thing for Christian
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women to for
Christian women to do this,
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now I can understand
if a women who is not
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professing Christianity,
of course, of course,
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but if a women is
professing Christianity
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then she needs to
see what the word says
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and we need to
come to harmony with it.
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Do you know, do you
know there is word that's
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not hardly used
anymore and I remember at least
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when I was growing up it
was all around, it was the
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word modesty, when is
the last time you heard
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that word? What is the
last time you heard that
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word, well you don't hear
it in public very often no.
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And I was thinking of my
own little, my own little
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granddaughters
how many do I have,
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I have three I guess I
got to be if I have got seven
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grandchildren I have
got three grand daughters,
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and you know the way
they dress, now they are
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not strippers in the
night club, but it is you
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understand what I am
saying, yes, they can be
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dressed in the summer
time very scantly when
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they go to the beach.
I don't need to even talk
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about that, but I
don't think that the modesty
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is a word that in the
21st century has any meaning
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to the young people,
right, but yet this word
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modesty is very
important in scripture,
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and used multiple
times in various ways not
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necessarily the word
but principle of some kind,
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the principle and so
it I think if we don't as
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Christians and we
are talking about women
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you know I wish
why should I Kathy,
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why should I as a man be
talking to you about this,
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this is not my day. Well
I think though I am, I am it
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is your business. I
think if men would be men then
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women would
appreciate more of being modest
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women, what is it isn't it
the sinful nature that says
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out of one side of the
mouth I would like this
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chased women who is
modest and all of this
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sort of thing, but
over here you are leading at
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the one and this is
when you are giving the
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compliments too, that's
right, and this is the one
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you are appreciating
what kind of message are
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you giving to women
who want to be beautiful
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and attractive, but
obviously and have been
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for sometime doing
it in the wrong way.
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Do you know I was
sitting at a Sabbath dinner
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table, character is
beautiful also, well,
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I was sitting at a
Sabbath dinner table and you
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know around the
table there were you know
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several families
represented and there
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was an attractive
young Christian wife that was
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there she was without
her husband, her husband was
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traveling and so we
got talking about some of
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these things, and she
said I want to appear desirable
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to other men, what
does that mean in her mind,
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what do you think
she meant, what you see
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I only have one
meaning for that see and I wish
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that women understood
that, that if a women said
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I want to appear
desirable to other men we only
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know that from one
perspective that doesn't
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mean I want to be a
friend, I want to be seen
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as a person, to me I hear
that loud and clear I want
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to be a sex object.
Now I heard something
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Kathy one time and
that maybe we as parents
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and as grandparents
need to be very careful when
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our little girls or
grandchildren are this big
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we are always
talking about their bodies,
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oh isn't she cute or
boyfriends, or whatever
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it is, but you see
it's always about how pretty
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they are, we look at the
cute little socks, look at
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the cute little dress,
look at her cute little curls.
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So, a child from the
time she has this big is fed
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the physical, yes, and
then of course if she has
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fed the physical when
she gets to be 16 and 17 we
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are talking about
some serious problems, yes,
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and suddenly the
father is saying oh you know
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what could happen
and it often does happen,
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little by little,
step by step it happen.
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And so it goes back
to what you were saying a
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moment ago that
when they are this big we
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should not be
talking about how pretty they
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are, we should be talking
about the character thing,
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yes, I agree with you
and that is a problem,
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actually those that I
have had an opportunity to
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mentor as young parents
I've talked about this and
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when they meet this
problem because it's
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everywhere within the
church, we were always
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feeding that physical
thought, if you meet that
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problem then you better
pray about how you could
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witness or handle for
your child sake because it's
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gonna happen to
your child at sometime.
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Do you know what I
think the most wonderful
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for lack of a better
word women's lib text series
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in scripture hang on I
think it's the one that
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says let it not be
the outward adorning, yes,
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now watch out how
that works because Jesus is
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saying to women,
honey it's not what you are
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physically
that's important to me,
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see because I
think that even the women
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are hyped or trained to
be physical, I think they
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resented, I think
deep down inside they
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resented, they resent
being seen as objects,
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yes, they want to be
seen as people, now I don't
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think you can
tell me if am wrong,
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well also though
they want to be seen
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as beautiful attracted
to somebody, but if the
00:20:59.33\00:21:03.41
right thing was said
to them by the men they
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could, they could
be happy, happier being
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attractive for the
right reasons, if you would
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compliment a really
modest women, yes right,
00:21:13.79\00:21:16.63
then I might put on
that real modest outfit again
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because that's what you
like me in you know that
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kind of thing, but did
you know Kathy that those
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who we know the best
for example if you ask me to
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describe somebody I
don't know I would describe
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the way they look, yes,
if you ask me to describe
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someone I know, yes,
I'll describe the kind of
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person they are and
you see I think this is
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a question that we as
men but not just we has been
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but the women particularly.
Does a women want to be
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known and remembered
and describe as how she
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looks, nearly for physical,
or does she wanted to be
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describe as the
person she is and later,
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well I'll have
to choose the later.
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Well later we're gonna
to do a program here in
00:21:55.78\00:21:58.10
our schedule you know
about old age, but let's
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just introduce it little
bit because a woman that's
00:22:00.85\00:22:03.82
hung up on the
physical appearance, yeah,
00:22:03.85\00:22:06.47
when she gets down the
line a little bit, could be
00:22:06.50\00:22:08.99
devastated, when
you get a turkey neck
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so and so anyway,
anyway I guess what we
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are saying is that, is
that, is that God is saying to
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women I value you as
a person, amen in fact
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God is God, he does
and but we need to get it
00:22:23.54\00:22:26.74
across to Christian
women that if you want
00:22:26.77\00:22:29.13
to be a somebody you
don't want to be sexy,
00:22:29.16\00:22:31.43
right, you don't want
to appeared to be desirable
00:22:31.83\00:22:34.61
to a guy that walks down
the street, you won't have
00:22:34.64\00:22:37.02
the character that
God can appreciate.
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Let it not be the
outward of adorning you see,
00:22:38.79\00:22:42.28
it's incredible, but
anyway you forgive me
00:22:42.31\00:22:44.23
for saying talking this
way. No, I don't mind it,
00:22:44.26\00:22:48.11
it's from a man's, I think it
00:22:48.14\00:22:49.11
perspective, needs to be said,
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I think it needs to
be said, but I wish,
00:22:50.14\00:22:52.74
I am glad you are
saying it actually when we
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invited you, when I
invited you to do this
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I was surprised that you
were willing, to do Plain
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Talk, yes, and it is
Plain Talk, but I would long
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for the day in which
we men could get together
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and talk what does
God expect of us as men.
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Now we men have a
problems, we are dirty
00:23:09.84\00:23:11.65
old men among other
things we have anger
00:23:11.68\00:23:13.98
and bitterness and
that's, even once you become a
00:23:14.01\00:23:15.66
Christian this is
something you have to
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deal with, and then I
wish while we are doing that
00:23:16.83\00:23:19.60
that the women would
get together, because women
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have their women things,
I have a desire for that to
00:23:22.31\00:23:24.81
have the women together
to study these subjects but
00:23:24.84\00:23:26.99
you know that is
not something that women
00:23:27.02\00:23:29.67
often like to talk
about, they would rather talk
00:23:29.70\00:23:31.49
with their pastors see
and see this is the thing that
00:23:31.52\00:23:34.65
I have as pastor.
See women can be very
00:23:34.68\00:23:36.77
free to talk with
the pastors they can say
00:23:36.80\00:23:39.12
things to a pastor
that they should say to
00:23:39.15\00:23:41.04
anybody, they can talk
about their intimate life
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and sometimes I will
be talking with the women,
00:23:43.50\00:23:45.00
that's dangerous, and
she will start on that and
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I will just stop that
I will say, I will say
00:23:46.86\00:23:48.59
sister I think you
want to find a women of God,
00:23:48.62\00:23:50.83
that's good and I am glad
you are, I am glad you are
00:23:50.86\00:23:53.27
doing that because this
is, I don't need that in my
00:23:53.30\00:23:56.23
mind, I don't need that
in my mind and she doesn't
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need to be sharing this
kind of information with men.
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You know I hope we
haven't offended anybody
00:24:04.63\00:24:06.03
out there because
you know we kind of went
00:24:06.06\00:24:07.56
into this little bit didn't we?
00:24:07.59\00:24:08.80
We kind of went into
this you know, we can go
00:24:09.57\00:24:10.66
into more I think, you
know another thing that
00:24:10.69\00:24:12.68
we had on our list to
discuss in this program
00:24:12.71\00:24:14.82
was this matter of and I
think it connects with the,
00:24:14.85\00:24:17.85
this matter of the
physical, yes, you know
00:24:18.33\00:24:20.35
advertising is out
there, yes, and where do we get
00:24:20.38\00:24:23.51
our role models for, oh
yes, while we started out
00:24:23.54\00:24:25.38
with the movement and
how it effected us but
00:24:25.41\00:24:27.63
obviously that
movement has effected
00:24:28.55\00:24:30.01
advertisement. It's
effected advertising and
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I don't think we're
gonna be able to finish in this
00:24:31.81\00:24:33.32
program, but I think
you and I want to discuss
00:24:33.35\00:24:35.46
maybe even at another
time, how that advertising
00:24:35.49\00:24:39.93
is creating a dissatisfaction,
00:24:39.96\00:24:42.11
yes discontent, and
this dissatisfaction means
00:24:43.00\00:24:46.25
that I have to go out
and buy a new dress in other
00:24:46.28\00:24:49.24
words it is that I am
satisfied to be what I God
00:24:49.27\00:24:52.42
meant for me to be if
I don't have a new dress
00:24:52.45\00:24:54.44
I am nobody, and
then when I go out and buy
00:24:54.47\00:24:57.03
that new dress I put
it out in my credit card.
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Are you going
somewhere else now,
00:25:01.12\00:25:02.19
because we were
talking about that, yeah and we
00:25:03.07\00:25:04.63
were talking about
that and maybe we can do
00:25:04.66\00:25:05.95
that in another
program because our homes
00:25:05.98\00:25:09.02
are being virtually
undermined by this level
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of debt and debt is
being exacerbated by
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advertising and you see
advertising is ultimately
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the biggest put down
there is, see advertising is
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saying to you as a
women and to me as a man.
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Unless Kathy you
look like this, oh I know,
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you are nobody, I
know, unless your shape like
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that, you are ugly,
you began to a person who
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is not strong in the
Lord can began to market
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themselves in a totally
different way and actually
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it is marketing yourself.
Well, it's the, I wish that
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we would talk about
this at the church you see we
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used to call these as
Church standards, yes,
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but nobody wants to
talk about Church standards
00:25:46.56\00:25:47.92
because they say
that's legalism, but they were
00:25:47.95\00:25:50.60
something right about
that we that are Christian
00:25:50.63\00:25:52.69
would dress because
the fact that he would be
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simple, the fact that
he would be modest would
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keep him out of these
big pitfalls all around,
00:25:56.74\00:25:59.48
they create these
huge problems where we
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would have these
moral implications or where
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we would have over
spending, we would have
00:26:04.82\00:26:07.02
discontent, well I
don't like my house my house
00:26:07.05\00:26:08.98
is ugly, I can't stay in
my car, my car is no good,
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anyway, we need to
continue on this debt
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thing because, keep thy
heart with all diligence
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for out that are the
issues of life. Dick I want to
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invite our viewers
though if they have topics for
00:26:22.08\00:26:27.29
family and something that
they would like to suggest
00:26:27.32\00:26:32.37
call or write 3ABN and
tell them that this might
00:26:32.40\00:26:37.00
be a particular topic
that you would like to see on
00:26:37.03\00:26:40.16
Thinking About Home,
if we can we might be
00:26:40.19\00:26:42.96
able to deal with it.
You see the address there
00:26:42.99\00:26:45.73
and or call mention
my name and Thinking
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About Home and I
appreciate if you do
00:26:48.28\00:26:49.77
that I am sorry Dick I
interrupted you, oh no,
00:26:49.80\00:26:51.68
no, I was just saying
as we come to our closer
00:26:51.71\00:26:53.77
this program that as
men we need the word of God,
00:26:53.80\00:26:57.50
and I believe that
excuse me you women you need
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the word of God that
if we let the society
00:27:02.11\00:27:04.61
determine what we
are gonna be, we're gonna
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be lost women as women
and as men, yes, and our
00:27:06.01\00:27:08.55
home is gonna, they are
not gonna break, yes, we
00:27:08.58\00:27:11.15
Christian women need to
be listening to this, this
00:27:11.18\00:27:13.78
voice, absolutely,
this voice. You're gonna be
00:27:13.81\00:27:16.22
talking about a few
other topics Plain Talk as our
00:27:16.25\00:27:18.64
program goes on,
what's next one do you think?
00:27:18.67\00:27:20.39
Or we're gonna keep
talking about women,
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oh fun, I don't know
we want to pray for our
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viewers, yes do
that let's do that.
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Heavenly Father, Lord
we are thankful for our
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families, we are
thankful for our wives, we are
00:27:30.50\00:27:33.60
thankful for our
sisters, we are thankful for our
00:27:33.63\00:27:35.36
mothers and grandmothers,
yes, and O Lord we pray
00:27:35.39\00:27:38.00
for the women
for the women of God,
00:27:38.03\00:27:39.68
the daughters of God that
they will be able to resist
00:27:39.71\00:27:41.80
the great temptations
that would take away their
00:27:41.83\00:27:44.06
beauty, their inner
beauty that would take away
00:27:44.09\00:27:45.97
their dignity, their
intrinsic dignity that
00:27:46.00\00:27:48.70
they have in Jesus.
Oh Heavenly Father in
00:27:48.73\00:27:51.68
these last days,
we pray that you will
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protect us and as
Jesus prayed that you will
00:27:54.20\00:27:57.27
keep us from the
Evil, we are thankful.
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