Participants: Jennifer Jill Schwirzer, Kathy Matthews, John Tsigonoff, Karen Tsigonoff
Series Code: TAH
Program Code: TAH000112
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00:31 Hi, I am Kathy Matthews, and this is
00:33 "Thinking about Home." We've been discussing 00:35 the subject of God's love versus the world's 00:39 love and love in the last days with 00:41 Jennifer Schwirzer and some friends ours, 00:44 John and Karen Tsigonoff. And for the 00:46 viewers that may be just joining us 00:49 in our programs. John and Karen 00:51 are some study students more or less 00:54 or a couple that we've been studying with 00:56 for the last, probably 7 months or so, 00:59 and they've been coming along in their 01:02 understanding of God's love 01:03 and relationships as well as many 01:06 other truths in the Bible and they're 01:09 sitting here as learners, listeners 01:12 and learners with us today as they have 01:14 been and will be a little bit more and 01:16 Jennifer, she is from Connecticut. 01:18 She's studying to have her degree 01:21 and she's been presenting to us 01:22 some really good information about 01:25 how love has deceived really the world 01:28 and its passions and we have a real 01:30 misunderstanding as human beings maybe, 01:34 about what love is all about and we have 01:38 a real burden don't we Jennifer for. Me too. 01:40 Young people and older people who doesn't 01:43 matter how or how old you are, what your 01:45 age is for people to really understand 01:48 agape love that God has given for us 01:50 to know. And one of the things that 01:54 I think the enemy is trying to do, 01:56 is to keep people from understanding 01:59 God's love, don't you think Jennifer? 02:00 That's right, that's right. But hasn't he 02:01 been trying to do that all along. 02:02 He has been trying to do it all along 02:04 as a matter of fact I want to look at 02:06 some different thinkers throughout history 02:09 that have affected Western thinking, 02:12 I would call it like the history of ideas 02:15 and I want to start with some of these 02:17 thinkers and show how their teaching 02:20 and their writing has affected our 02:22 thinking today. Really, the false concept 02:26 of love started when we fell. 02:29 It started with Lucifer. Right, right. 02:30 But we can sort of trace of that threat 02:33 of error throughout history and let me 02:36 just recap a little bit what the basic 02:38 difference between God's love 02:40 and human love is? Now that we're fallen 02:42 we are no longer naturally capable 02:45 of exercising God's agape love, 02:47 and so by nature we love selfishly, 02:51 we love in a way that reaches for 02:53 something that we deem worthy in order to 02:56 enrich ourselves where as God's love. 02:58 Now, okay, you're gonna explain it. 02:59 It's just self giving and God's love 03:01 condescends or goes down and gives 03:03 up itself to enrich someone else. 03:05 Right, as our homes need to have in it, 03:08 this working example of God's love. 03:10 That's the only hope that there is for any 03:12 human relationship whatsoever. 03:14 So what I want to do is I wanna go back 03:16 and sort of trace the history of ideas. 03:18 Okay. And I want to start with Plato. 03:20 Plato was born in 428 B.C. He was 03:24 a disciple of Socrates and he is someone 03:27 who has affected our thinking more than 03:29 we realize. Right, probably so. 03:31 Plato was a polytheist and he worked 03:33 with the bases of Greek mythology. 03:36 Now, I want you to explain Polytheist. 03:38 Many Gods, in another words he didn't 03:40 believe in one God, he believed in many Gods. 03:42 Okay. And of course those were the Gods 03:43 of Greek mythology. Okay. And he 03:47 promoted the idea, he was probably one 03:50 of the first great thinkers of the world 03:53 to clearly articulate the idea of Eros, 03:57 and he promoted it as something that would 03:59 save man. Eros meaning? Eros meaning 04:03 selfish love. Selfish love. I wanna clarify 04:05 this little bit here. We talked about Eros 04:07 before as being loved that was based on 04:10 romance. Yes. Plato came up with 04:12 a different kind of Eros because he 04:14 recognized that if people clung to the 04:17 typical sensual or earthly Eros 04:20 that they would be lost that they would 04:22 never grow, that they would never you know 04:25 develop as human being. Right, 04:27 so he recognized that. So he recognized 04:29 that man was in a lost condition 04:30 that he needed to saved, but he 04:32 believed that if Eros was transformed, 04:35 it would still be Eros but if those affections 04:38 that were typically on earthly things 04:40 and on sensual things if those affections 04:42 were rerouted and placed upon divine 04:45 things that man could essentially save 04:48 himself, so Plato had that much right 04:50 that man was in a lost condition and that 04:53 he needed to be saved, but what he had 04:56 wronged was the way man was saved. 04:58 Right. Plato even would have called it 05:00 a means of self salvation. Yes. 05:02 And as I said, he believed that if we 05:04 attach our affections to divine things 05:08 that it will, it will result in lifting us up 05:11 to God. Works. That's works, 05:13 that the essence of works. I want to share 05:16 a couple of texts as we along that 05:18 give the opposite view point from the Bible. 05:23 Bible tells us that while we were still helpless 05:25 Christ died for the ungodly, so the love 05:29 that is focused on especially in the New 05:31 Testament book throughout the Bible. 05:33 It's the love of Christ as He came down 05:36 to save humanity rather than the love of 05:38 man as he reaches up for God. Now did 05:41 you say where that was? That was 05:42 in Roman chapter 5, verse 6, and then 05:45 in First John chapter 4 verse 10, 05:47 we have this verse, it says, And this is 05:49 love, okay, we're gonna get a definition 05:51 of love here. Not that we loved God, 05:55 but that he loved us. I'm sorry Plato 05:58 we are not saved by man's love for God 06:01 we are saved by God's love for man. 06:03 Can you see the difference? Yes. Yes, 06:06 so and this is love, not that we love God, 06:08 but that he loved us, and sent his Son 06:11 to be the propitiation or the sacrifice 06:14 to be the propitiation or the sacrifice 06:15 for our sin. Alright First John 4:19 says, 06:18 We love because he first loved us. Yes. 06:23 We don't love because we need to be saved 06:25 and if we can crank up enough affection 06:27 and enough Eros and enough aberration 06:30 and adoration for God we'll be lifted up 06:32 by the power of our own emotions that is 06:35 not how we are saved. We are saved 06:38 by God's grace and we love Him only because 06:41 He first loved us. Right. So can you see 06:43 the essential difference between 06:44 what Plato was promoting and what the 06:47 Bible teaches. Now I want to go into a few 06:49 of the Greek myths because we can get 06:52 some really interesting revolutions about 06:55 the way we think in Western society today 06:57 from looking at these myths. For one thing, 07:01 Plato promoted what I would call the mind, 07:03 body, dichotomy and that is the idea 07:06 that the mind and body were separate, 07:08 that the mind is spirit or the soul, 07:11 what might be another way of saying the mind. 07:13 The soul is spirit and the body is flesh. 07:17 Right. That the mind is good and the body 07:20 is evil. Now, that is not a Christian idea, 07:22 but let me tell you where it came from. 07:25 One of the Gods, the father of the God Zeus 07:27 had a son name Dionysus and Zeus 07:30 left Dionysus in the palace one day. 07:33 He said I'm leaving son and if the enemy 07:36 Titans come along, the Titans were these 07:38 ugly monsters, if they come along 07:41 and they try to entice you to come out 07:43 of the palace, don't go, stay in the palace. 07:47 So little boy said, sure dad and then 07:49 the Titans came along and they said, 07:51 we have some toys and little boy came out 07:53 of the palace and Titans laid him up. 07:58 Zeus came home and he saw what had happened? 08:00 He saw the monsters there and he threw 08:01 lightning both at them and they turned ashes 08:05 and according to the legend out of those 08:07 ashes came the human race. Zeus is the father 08:11 of the Gods made human beings out of those 08:14 ashes. Now in the ashes, where number one 08:16 the enemy Titans, the evil Titans and that 08:20 was the flesh part of man and Dionysus 08:23 which was the divine part of man so these 08:26 basic teaching that within each one of us 08:29 although we have this evil body, 08:30 there is part of God left in us and that 08:33 is not a Biblical teaching. Right. 08:35 Alright, and I wanna look at a text that 08:37 counteracts that thought. In First 08:39 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 16, it's says, 08:43 this is taking about the resurrection, 08:46 because the idea that upon death man's 08:50 spirit ascends to heaven or hell, 08:52 his reward and his body remains in the grave. 08:55 It's not a biblical idea but that legend 08:59 is where we get that idea from. Oh! You see. 09:02 So the Bible doesn't teach that, 09:03 the Bible teaches that man goes into a 09:06 sleep in the grave, yes, and that when Christ 09:09 comes again those that are asleep in the 09:12 grave will be resurrected mind and 09:15 body together because man is a holistic 09:17 being. Yes. Alright, First Thessalonians 09:20 chapter 4 verse 16, "For the Lord himself 09:24 shall descend from heaven with a shout, 09:25 with the voice of the archangel, 09:27 and with the trumpet of God: and the dead 09:30 in Christ shall rise firstand they which 09:33 are alive and remain will be caught up 09:35 together with them to meet the Lord 09:36 in the air." Yes. So there will be people 09:39 that are send straight to heaven we call 09:41 it translations sometimes but they 09:43 will be those who are alive at the second 09:46 coming of Jesus. Right. That is the biblical 09:47 teaching on the destiny of man. 09:50 This idea of the mind-body dichotomy 09:52 is not a biblical idea but it's a very common 09:55 idea in world religions and in philosophies 09:58 such as the philosophy of Plato. 10:00 Do you think it only began with him? 10:02 I don't think it began with him but I think 10:04 probably the most wide spread teaching. 10:08 Making it most popular promoting that idea. 10:10 He did a lot for that idea but I think just 10:13 a basic misconception that people always 10:15 find some form out, yes, you know, 10:17 pretty much every world religion teaches that. 10:20 Okay, another Greek myth that we hear 10:22 echos of today. This is gonna be a little bit 10:25 interesting and it's really put on your 10:27 thinking cap and focus while I share this. 10:29 Okay. This is the myth. Can't let my 10:31 mind wonder? Now you can't let your 10:32 mind wonder, Kathy? She is tired. 10:35 She has been very busy. 10:36 But this is the myth of Eros and psyche. 10:41 Eros is the son of Venus and I don't know 10:43 if you are familiar with this but Venus 10:44 was the love Goddess according to Greek 10:46 mythology. And Eros was her son 10:48 and that is the word that the Greek woed 10:51 Eros comes from. He was the son 10:53 of the Love Goddess and so he sort of 10:56 personified romance and that type of love. 11:02 Venus was very jealous of being 11:04 name a Psyche and of course Psyche means 11:07 the soul. Right. Okay, she was very jealous 11:11 of psyche who was a immortal, 11:13 was so beautiful that men would worship her 11:18 and so Venus being an all beautiful 11:19 Goddess wanted to put an end to this 11:22 and she set her son Eros to cast a spell on 11:25 Psyche, so that psyche would fall in love with 11:28 an ugly man. Eros went to cast a spell 11:31 and he ended up falling in love with her. 11:33 Now get this part, this is amazing to me. 11:37 Through the union of the Eros and Psyche, 11:40 you know they are married and through 11:42 that union Psyche becomes immortal, 11:44 in another words I think the underlying 11:46 message here is that the soul 11:49 is immortalized through Eros love. 11:53 You see what I'm saying? That's 11:54 interesting. Isn't that interesting? Alright, 11:57 let me share a text that helps us to see 11:59 beyond that fallacy. We're told to, 12:02 you are trying to prove it as a fallacy. 12:05 Oh, I am that's why I brought it up. 12:08 Jesus "Abolish death and brought life and 12:11 immortality to light through the gospel." 12:16 We are not made immortal through 12:20 anything within us, through the amount of 12:23 love we have, we are not made immortal 12:25 through our Eros, our love for someone else. 12:28 Jesus brought life and immortality to light 12:31 through the gospel. Right. Alright, 12:33 another text is, First Timothy, did I say 12:36 the text for that one? Second Timothy chapter 12:38 1 verse 10, this is the last one. 12:39 This next one is First Timothy chapter 6 12:42 verse 16 and it says that God alone 12:46 possesses immortality. He gives immortality 12:50 to us as a free gift. Amen. We have the 12:52 option of refusing it, saying I don't want 12:55 your free gift, I don't want your forgiveness, 12:58 I don't want your love, we can say that 13:01 but there is nothing we can do to earn 13:04 that gift. That's right. Yes. Alright, 13:06 another Greek actually this is a Roman myth. 13:11 Okay. The Greek pantheon translated 13:13 over in to Roman mythology and so 13:18 Eros is Roman counterpart was Cupid. 13:21 Now you remember Cupid, right. 13:22 You've heard cupid. Oh, yeah. 13:23 And what do you usually seeing 13:24 on a valentine day. Valentine card. 13:26 And he is a little cute, little chubby 13:28 check cherub guy who look like he got to 13:30 put on his clothes in the morning and. 13:32 Oh, yeah, make him look like a little angel. 13:33 Cupid got little bow and arrow, but in 13:34 fact this cupid was a full grown man 13:38 in Roman mythology. Right. And it was 13:41 believed that when cupid struck someone 13:44 with an arrow that person had no choice 13:47 but to fall in love. So their choice was 13:50 removed. So their choice was removed. 13:52 And this is the idea that Cupid was a God 13:56 and so how could a mere mortal resist 13:58 the will of a God who wanted him to 14:01 fall in love with someone else and how 14:03 I think of when I realize that I said, 14:06 how often people who feel a certain 14:09 chemistry with another person 14:10 or an attraction to another person feel 14:13 like it's a call from God that their 14:15 feelings are just, absolute proof 14:18 that God, that is some divine immortal, 14:22 all powerful element, right, forcing them 14:25 as it were to make a choice to fall in love 14:28 with that person, but I want to really 14:30 underscore this point that love is a choice. 14:33 Amen. And you can have attractions 14:35 and it will happen, you know my 13 year old 14:39 daughter was telling me about a guy, 14:40 she thought was kind of cute and I was 14:42 kind of saying you know why are you, 14:45 you know you are so too young for this 14:46 kind of thing. She has looked to me 14:47 and she is not into boys at all. 14:49 But she looked to me and she said, 14:50 mom, it's just normal, you know and it's true 14:54 it is normal for people to feel attraction for 14:57 other people. There is chemistry 14:58 and we are beings that are very complex 15:00 and we at times feel an attraction to another 15:03 person but it is not a call from God, 15:05 it is not divinity speaking, it is just 15:07 chemistry. And while I don't want to get 15:09 in too far into this thought which is maybe 15:12 a little off of what you're saying 15:13 and I don't want you to lose what you're 15:14 saying. Okay. But because of sin 15:18 and degeneration, this chemistry happens 15:21 at a younger age, that's right, then it 15:23 originally happened. I agree with you. Because 15:26 of the age and a life span of mankind. 15:30 And Kathy, I don't have any, 15:31 absolutely, I don't want to go into that. 15:32 No, that's a good point I don't have any 15:34 documentation on this but I have read 15:36 that the mean age of menses in girls 15:39 has gone down from like 18 years old 15:42 and the 1800 to today, it's something like a 15:45 11 and I think it's partially due to diet, 15:48 partially due to either various factors 15:50 that either degeneration of 15:52 the race. Degeneration of our race. Yes, 15:53 that the people to mature more quickly 15:55 far before their judgment faculties 15:58 are developed. Any maturity is 15:59 developed, yeah. Yes, and it's frightening, 16:01 isn't it? It is frightening especially 16:02 when you have children. Yes, but to along 16:05 with that thought or rather to counteract 16:07 that thought that this chemistry 16:09 and attraction that is a part of being human 16:11 that we feel sometimes for other people 16:13 is a call from God. I want to read to you 16:15 what the scripture is saying about how 16:17 love is. This is from Revelation chapter 3 16:20 verse 20. Okay. And this is taking about 16:22 God and his posture of love toward the church 16:26 and human race and each one of us 16:28 individuals and he says, behold I stand 16:31 at the door and knock, if anyone hears 16:33 my voice I will come in to him and will dine 16:36 with him and he with me, in other words 16:39 if even God can't force us to love him. 16:43 If even God leaves the choice of whether 16:45 to love him or not up to us, how much 16:48 more with the choice be up to us to love 16:49 another human being. Right. So I just 16:52 I really want to get that across to young 16:53 people. Okay. You have a choice and love 16:55 is always a choice and these feelings 16:58 and so forth should never force us 17:01 into a relationship. Now you've talked 17:03 about, have you talked about the contrast 17:06 of love is not desire? Do you want to go 17:07 into that anymore? Well, that's those 17:09 with the three parts that I just 17:11 went through actually. Which you just want 17:12 to go, okay, then you've 17:13 discussed that enough. Love is not 17:14 based on desire. Love is a principle. 17:16 Okay. Love is not provoked, 17:18 okay, that's in First Corinthians 13, 17:20 typically we thinking of love is some 17:22 translation say, love is not easily provoked 17:24 but it's really love is 17:25 not provoked, typically we think you know 17:27 we see a mother and her children 17:29 are screaming and love is not provoked 17:31 she is about to smack them or something, 17:33 but I don't think that's what that verse 17:35 is saying, I think it's saying that there is 17:37 nothing in the object of love to provoke 17:39 me to love it. Love comes from me 17:43 or if I was God it would come from me, 17:46 if I love anyone is because God puts 17:48 it in me. But there is nothing in the object 17:50 of my love that provokes me to love it. 17:53 Oh! I see. God loves. That is a little 17:54 different concept. God's loves because 17:58 He is love, yes, His character. It is love. 18:01 God does not love because of anything 18:02 in us. God loves because He is love, 18:06 it's a self sufficient love. It doesn't need 18:09 to be provoked, so that what I think that's 18:11 coming from. So is this false concept of love 18:13 you think affected the Christian church. 18:15 I do, I do in a profound 18:18 way. I do too. And as a matter of fact 18:20 I want to talk a little about how that originally 18:23 came about because you know the Christian 18:26 church began with agape because Jesus 18:28 is the foundation of Christian church. Amen. 18:31 And He lived God's love. There was not 18:33 a moment of His life, there wasn't just 18:35 totally consumed with the love of God. 18:37 Alright. He was just constantly 18:39 demonstrating agape to everyone around 18:42 to Him. And many times as what provoked 18:45 the anger on others, the animosity and 18:46 prosecution and your right, right. And 18:48 He ended up nailed to the cross, 18:50 and then the Christian church. 18:51 The Infant Christian Church understood 18:54 something of God's love and they lived 18:56 God's love. They didn't have anything 18:58 to themselves they shared all things 18:59 in common they gave to one another. 19:01 They met together constantly for prayer 19:03 and they shared, preached the gospel 19:06 boldly and they were persecuted for three 19:10 centuries. Yes. So I have come 19:12 to conclusion, I'm gonna document 19:14 this further on down the line 19:16 but I have come to the conclusion that 19:17 whenever there is sure agape in the life 19:19 of a believer there is always prosecution. 19:22 Alright. Alright, well, something kind of 19:23 tragic happened about three centuries 19:26 after the beginning of the Christian church, 19:29 of course we know that Constantine who is 19:32 an Emperor, the Emperor of Rome became 19:36 a Christian, he had a superficial conversion. 19:38 Alright. And it led him to lend imperial 19:41 support to the church in other words, 19:43 there was a mingling of church and state 19:45 after that. He put some power into that. 19:48 That's right, so he gave the church state 19:51 power and after that point compromise 19:54 began to take place in Christian church 19:56 and there was a mingling between pure 19:58 Christianity and paganism. 20:01 Right. And we were plunged basically 20:03 into the dark ages for about a 20:05 thousand years after that. Yes. 20:07 But typically we think of the compromise 20:09 of the Christian churches being in the 20:11 arena of government and you know church 20:14 in state and the arena of practices and worship 20:17 practices and these types of things 20:18 but I want to say today that one of the 20:21 things that was compromised was 20:24 the concept of love. The church was no 20:26 longer preaching and no longer living pure agape. 20:30 There was an amalgamation or a 20:32 combining of agape and Eros that took place 20:36 after the third century, and I want 20:38 to look at quotation from the book 20:43 great controversy in regards to this. 20:45 "Satan therefore laid his plans to war more 20:49 successfully against the government of God 20:51 by planting his banner in the Christian church," 20:55 I need to just back up a little bit here 20:56 and I need to tell you that all that 20:59 prosecution was an attempt on the part of 21:01 the devil to snuff out the Christian church 21:03 and after three century of that the devil 21:05 realized this is getting anywhere because 21:07 the more he prosecuted the more Christians, 21:10 more people were converted. Right. 21:11 So truly in himself was a church father said, 21:14 the blood of the martyrs is seed every time 21:16 they martyr someone there will be 21:18 more converts so, after three century 21:21 of that the devil realized. 21:22 I am not getting anywhere I need to try 21:24 different tactic and so in that context 21:26 we are told Satan therefore laid his plans 21:28 to war more successfully against 21:30 the government of God by planting his banner 21:32 in the Christian church. Most of the 21:35 Christians consented to lower their standard, 21:38 and a union was formed between 21:40 Christianity and paganism." 21:43 That's from the great controversy. 21:45 And few really understand that 21:46 in our world today. That's right, 21:48 and I believe one of the primary areas in 21:51 which this compromise was forged, 21:53 it's in the area of love. 21:55 The Christian church lost its hold 21:58 on the pure concept of God's agape love, 22:02 and so we had a darkness for about a millennium. 22:05 Yes. Until the reformation and then 22:07 Martin Luther and the other reformers 22:10 uncovered those buried truths of the gospel 22:13 and began to preach righteousness by faith, 22:16 salvation by grace alone and it's really 22:19 cutting edge at that time and literally 22:22 cutting edge to them because many of them 22:23 headed for us that I read statement by 22:26 theologian that said, the very same thing 22:30 that made him meaning Martin Luther, 22:32 a reformer in the matter of justification, 22:35 made him also the reformer in the 22:36 Christian idea of love, so we think 22:40 of Martin Luther in terms of justification 22:41 by faith and he was you know rebuking 22:44 the idea of salvation by works and that's 22:46 true but he was also a reformer in 22:48 the idea of love, 22:50 the Christian idea of love. 22:51 Well, he was a monk who finally married. 22:53 That's right. True. And that was. 22:56 I know. As a matter of fact I heard he 22:58 broke into a place where you know 23:01 a convent and helped nuns 23:03 escaped and married them off. Yeah, 23:05 they all married in different places. 23:07 Now during the reformation what was, 23:10 what was the church and the world's response 23:13 to Martin Luther's preaching agape and 23:15 preaching the true gospel? What happened? 23:17 Well, they became enlightened. 23:18 They became not the church though. 23:20 What was their response? Prosecution. 23:23 Oh! Obviously. Okay. 23:25 You mean the response of the world to this. 23:27 That's right. Yes, sometimes. 23:28 There was prosecution against so, 23:29 again I'm gonna say that, 23:31 that every time agape is lived and taught 23:33 and embodied. There's always prosecution 23:36 and I believe we, since the reformation 23:39 have had a gradual compromise, 23:41 the same compromise between Eros and agape 23:44 to where at least in our country 23:47 I don't think agape is fully impressed 23:51 and understand by most Christians and 23:54 I make trouble for that. 23:55 I know everybody know something about God's 23:57 love but every time there was true agape, 24:01 there was always prosecution we do not 24:03 really have prosecution in the 24:05 United States today. Yes, I see that. 24:07 There are some places in the world that 24:09 where Christians are persecuted. 24:10 And there maybe individuals though here 24:12 and there but we don't see it as a collective 24:14 movement of any kind. Definitely not in 24:16 the United States, I don't see it. Right. 24:18 And so I have to come with the conclusion 24:20 that we, because we are not being 24:22 prosecute must not really understand and 24:25 must not really live agape and God wants to 24:29 bring us back to understanding of it to 24:32 where we can be the example to the world 24:34 that we need to be, yes, 24:35 that will bring on prosecution but bring 24:37 it on if you will prepare people for the 24:39 coming of Jesus. Amen. 24:40 So we know that the counterfeit is still 24:42 alive and well today. It's alive and well 24:45 and I do want to talk about one of the 24:47 chief avenues through which that counterfeit 24:49 is kept alive with the media. Okay, 24:51 can we get through that now before the end? 24:53 We can get through this part of it. Okay, 24:55 the media, I will put it this word say 24:58 Hollywood doesn't do agape, 25:00 Hollywood does Eros. Yes. Hollywood, 25:02 would not put one dime into promoting agape 25:05 and so I pretty much boycott the 25:09 movie industry. Yes, I am not going to say 25:11 I never watch a movie but I pretty bore, 25:13 I don't want to put my dollars in that 25:15 part because they don't do agape, 25:17 they do Eros and one of the best example 25:20 of that the movie the "Titanic" 25:21 which is a movie that seems to be about love. 25:26 Taken the world nice storm. 25:27 And it took the world by storm, 25:28 let me just give you a few facts on that. Okay, 25:29 it had a $200 million budget that was 25:32 never done before, never that high of 25:34 budget. It has grossed over 2 billion. 25:37 It got awards for the best picture, 25:41 best director, best actress, 25:43 best supporting actress, best cinematography, 25:46 best make-up, best visual effects, 25:48 best sound effects editing. 25:50 It also won four golden global awards etc, 25:55 etc, etc, etc, on down the line. 25:57 It was blockbuster success, why, 26:00 because it seem to promote a divine, 26:03 I think at least partly because it seemed to 26:05 promote a divine, a sort of love, 26:08 an idealistic kind of love but it was not 26:11 God's agape love and I would like to be 26:15 able to make that distinction but 26:17 I think we might have to go into the 26:18 next program in order to do justice. 26:20 Well, yeah, I think you are right 26:23 because I don't think you're gonna 26:24 be able to get into it everything you want to, 26:26 to be able to make the viewers really, 26:28 really understand what you are getting. 26:29 Yeah, I really understand. 26:31 And I don't know who you want to 26:33 take right now but maybe you keep 26:36 just recap a little bit. 26:37 I will just recap a little bit and 26:38 I will say that throughout history 26:39 there always been agents and agencies 26:42 through which the devil has promoted 26:44 his Eros gospel and he is never 26:47 at a loss to find people who will 26:51 try to plant the knowledge of God's agape 26:55 love with this counterfeit Eros and 26:58 today he is doing it through, 27:00 largely through the media. 27:02 Don't you see that, don't you see 27:04 that John and Karen and I think for 27:07 our children seek, parents need to guard 27:09 them from the messages that are just 27:11 pouring out of the television screens. 27:12 That's right. Pouring out of the 27:13 movie theaters. We need to be 27:15 very selective and very regarded, 27:17 in regards to what we allow 27:19 our children to be subjected to. 27:20 Not just what we say before 27:21 we are listening to. Alright, 27:23 we in just the last few months 27:25 have rid ourselves of a lot of music, 27:28 $100 worth of music, and we try 27:32 to only watch about the animal planet. 27:33 That's about it, you need 3ABN only. 27:38 Right. Yes, I think so. 27:39 Jennifer we're gonna go into that 27:41 I think next time alright 27:42 because we want to do justice of this subject. 27:44 We do. Right. We do. I want to thank you 27:46 for being on this program and 27:48 I appreciate that. And I want to 27:50 thank you and I hope that you will 27:52 not be deceived by the worldly love 27:54 but what God wants to have for you. 27:56 Join us again on 27:57 Thinking about Home. |
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