Participants: Jennifer Jill Schwirzer, John Tsigonoff, Karen Tsigonoff, Kathy Matthews
Series Code: TAH
Program Code: TAH000111
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00:31 Hello, I am Kathy Matthews,
00:33 and I am glad you've joined us on 00:34 Thinking about Home. On our last program 00:37 we were talking about true love weights 00:40 and we talked about the love of God and 00:42 relationships and having some difficult 00:46 relationships and then learning that God has 00:48 a better plan for us and that our foundation 00:51 should be found in Christ even in courtship 00:54 and our love relationships. And we have a guest, 00:58 her name is Jennifer Schwirzer and a couple of 01:01 other guests and I want to welcome them again, 01:03 Jennifer I want to specially welcome you 01:05 and I like to welcome John and Karen as well 01:08 and I would like to make a little explanation for 01:11 the viewers again and that is that John and 01:15 Karen Tsigonoff are a Bible study couple that 01:18 Tom and, my husband Tom and I have been 01:21 studying with and they're joining us again today 01:24 about this subject of love and Jennifer has 01:29 similar beliefs that I do that God's plan for 01:32 people and romance and human sexuality is 01:36 monogamy and can you explain to us 01:40 what is monogamy. What is monogamy, 01:42 well it is not a type of wood, that's mahogany. 01:47 Monogamy in the word monogamy we see 01:49 mono meaning one. Yes. 01:51 So, what monogamy means is one partner 01:53 for life in contrast to polygamy which is many 01:57 partners for life. And monogamy is God's plan, 02:02 won't you say? It is. 02:03 Yes, I believe it is God's plan and I think God's 02:08 plan is that our romance in our life should be 02:10 geared towards seeking out one partner to bond 02:13 with. For. For marriage. Our entire life. 02:16 Yes, for our entire life. That's right. Yes. 02:19 What I have come to realize is that human 02:22 passion is like fire, it's something that God has 02:26 given us the capacity for and it has tremendous 02:30 potential for you know keeping the race 02:35 populating, Right. 02:37 So it's very useful, it's like the fire of the sun, 02:41 without the sun we would instantly die. 02:43 Right. So it gives life, passion gives life 02:46 but if it is not like fire kept within certain 02:49 constraints it becomes destructive, the very 02:52 thing that gives life becomes destructive. 02:54 Good illustration. Without certain constraints. 02:56 I can appreciate that. And human passion 02:59 without certain constraints allow to run riot 03:02 so to speak, yes, becomes a very destructive force 03:05 many people have realized that in the most bitter way. 03:08 I know. And so I am a person that promotes 03:12 monogamy and I promote monogamy's partners 03:17 which would be abstinence and chastity. 03:19 And you were telling us chastity that abstinence 03:21 refers to most often to young men and chastity 03:25 refers often to young women, I don't know why 03:27 that is but that seems to be the way I have 03:29 always heard it anyway I am no expert on that it 03:32 just seems to be that that's the way it was used. 03:34 They both have the same basic definition and 03:37 that is waiting until marriage and so I am 03:40 a big advocate of monogamy and chastity 03:42 and abstinence and there are number of reasons 03:45 why I believe that way and I know you share 03:47 that belief with me. I do. 03:48 I do want to look at some of the reasons 03:50 for monogamy. Okay. 03:52 Some of the benefits. Benefits. 03:54 Of monogamy and correspondingly some 03:56 of the draw backs of extra marital sexual 03:59 activity. So, lets look at the first graphic actually 04:03 no, I don't want to look at the graphic right away 04:04 I want to quote a study or just sort of paraphrase 04:07 a study. Its been found that people are more 04:10 happy within their marriage relationship when 04:13 they wait until marriage. They are just more 04:16 satisfied generally with the relationship and with 04:20 the physical aspect of the relationship if they 04:22 wait until marriage and especially if they have 04:24 one partner for life time. 04:25 Don't you think probably the guilt factor or. 04:28 Has a lot to do with. Has a lot to do with that. 04:29 That's right, that's right. Another benefit 04:32 of monogamy is that monogamous people are 04:34 healthier physically. Let's take a look at some 04:37 statistics here 75 to 85% of HIV positive adults 04:42 were infected through unprotected sex. 04:45 There are about 8500 new HIV infections a day. 04:48 And that's from the World AIDS day resource 04:51 booklet. So monogamous people are physically 04:55 healthier. They are also actually back up 04:59 a little bit that's not to mention other STD's 05:03 and other physical problems that can come. 05:05 Right. From non monogamy, we can't ignore 05:09 though the fact that there is a mental aspect to 05:14 whether we follow God's plan or not. For human 05:17 passion and so I am going to make the assertion 05:20 that monogamous people are mentally healthier 05:24 because whenever we follow God's plan in any 05:26 area of life it's going to lend itself to our mental 05:28 health. Right, right. 05:29 So let's look at some more information here. 05:33 Research indicates that sexually active teens are 05:36 more liable to drug and alcohol abuse, and more 05:39 likely to have trouble in school. That's from 05:42 Pediatrics. Sexually active teenage girls are 05:46 more likely to be depressed, have low self 05:49 esteem, a big problem, feel lonely and even 05:53 more likely to attempt suicide from the same 05:55 journal. So monogamy is conducive to mental 05:59 health. Yes. Physical health. Yes. 06:02 And happiness in the marriage relationship. 06:04 We can't ignore the fact that monogamy also is 06:08 culturally healthier and this is another study 06:12 I want to look at, culturally? 06:14 You mean socially healthier. Culturally, 06:15 Socially healthier. I see, okay. 06:17 One study reports "an unvarying correlation 06:20 between the degree of sexual restraints 06:23 and the rate of social progress. Cultures that 06:27 were more sexually permissive displayed less 06:29 cultural energy, creativity, intellectual 06:33 development and individualism, 06:35 and a slower general cultural ascent." 06:38 That's from an article from Christianity Today. 06:41 Well, I can completely attest to that. I am living 06:43 I am living example of that, that is true. 06:48 I went to Africa in April and of course there is 06:51 much polygamy in Africa and you can just see 06:54 how there has been damage that's been wrought 06:57 through that practice and many other 06:59 non Biblical practices that they have. 07:03 The last aspect that I want to bring out is cost, 07:08 I would say this way I would say monogamy 07:10 saves money, lets look at this last statistic here. 07:13 Oh that's an interesting statistics. 07:14 Yes, more than 80 percent of pregnant 07:17 girls under 17 who give birth and keep their 07:20 babies end up on welfare, costing society a 07:24 staggering 21 billion yearly. 07:27 Yeah, somebody has to pay for that. 07:30 Somebody has to pay for all this, 07:31 so isn't that something. It's incredible. 07:35 Do you feel that if more people were aware of 07:39 all these draw backs would they wait 07:41 I think so. As a matter of fact I know so because 07:45 the love weights movement that you mentioned 07:46 before has had an impact on the youth 07:50 of America. It has had an impact in fact between 07:54 1995 and 1997 the number of virgin teens has 07:59 increased from 46 to 52 percent because in the 08:03 love weights presentations they show them the 08:07 benefits of monogamy and they compare them 08:09 to the draw backs of extra marital sexual 08:12 activity. And it's clear to these kids that if they 08:14 want to be healthy and happy for a long term, 08:19 period of time. Right. That they need to practice 08:21 monogamy. So it's a good thing. 08:25 Okay, are you going to list the benefits 08:26 and the risks? Well, I just did that but what 08:30 I want to talk about now is the fact that 08:34 it's important for us to count the cost and I don't 08:37 think self preservation is a bad thing 08:40 if something is bad for us and we abstain from it 08:42 that's a good idea. However I think God is 08:45 calling us to a higher motivation then merely 08:50 self preservation, doing what's good for me. 08:53 Right. Now we were discussing that last night. 08:56 We were discussing about more than just the 09:00 self preservation and that we should have 09:02 another motive. That's right, the purpose of a 09:04 Christian is not merely to look out for number 09:06 one. God's desire is to reproduce his image in 09:10 man and the word image as well as several other 09:14 Biblical words that convey this concept really 09:18 needs character. God wants to reproduce his 09:21 character and character we are told is a 09:23 combination of thoughts and feelings, 09:25 so if we are to have God's character reproduced 09:29 in us through the process of character 09:30 development we are going to think like God 09:33 and feel like God and that encompasses our 09:35 motives. So if we are merely doing something 09:38 good for a selfish reason. Right. We are really 09:41 failing of measuring up to God's high and lofty 09:44 standard that he has for us. We are not just 09:46 preparing for happiness in this world. 09:49 We are preparing for heaven. Right. 09:50 We are preparing to inhabit a sinless heaven that 09:53 is characterized by unselfishness and not only 09:56 that but we are preparing for the end of time 10:00 and that's why I call this love in the last days. 10:03 Its possible to seek you know good things for 10:07 the wrong reason. Yes. It's possible to even be 10:09 monogamist and chaste just because we care 10:11 about our reputation or because we want to 10:14 preserve ourselves. Right. And that's okay as far 10:16 as it goes but it does not accomplish God's will 10:19 in our life ultimately. 10:20 So you think it's possible for us to be morally 10:22 pure for selfish motives. 10:24 I think so and I think what happens when people 10:27 are morally pure for selfish reasons is they 10:29 tend to become very self righteous and they 10:32 have an attitude that actually turns people away 10:36 from what the standard that they're upholding. 10:38 Yes. You know I am someone that promotes 10:42 monogamy, I promote morality. Right. But I try 10:45 to do it in a Christian spirit and I know that 10:48 nobody can be moral without the grace of God. 10:50 Right. Not truly moral. Right. In the true sense 10:53 of the term, they can be hourly moral and they 10:56 can fool people through their behaviors into 10:59 believing that they are good people. 11:01 But God sees the heart, man looks on the 11:03 outward appearance, God looks on the heart 11:06 and God is seeking to transform human hearts 11:09 and not just people's behavior. 11:11 Right. In other words it goes, what God is 11:12 calling us it goes way beyond behavior 11:15 modification. And while we, well, even 11:17 Proverbs promotes my son listen to me 11:21 and the Bible promotes doing things because it 11:25 might shame your mother, if you 11:28 don't do this or it may cause the reputation of your father 11:30 decline as well as your own, that's a step but the 11:34 deepest reason is to glorify God and to develop 11:38 a character like God. That's right, the ultimate 11:40 goal of a Christian is to give honor to God. 11:43 Right. And God wants to turn us away from our 11:46 typically selfish motives. You see if we're doing 11:49 the right thing for selfish motives we're really 11:51 not exercising the Agape principal. We are 11:54 exercising the Eros principle. In other words 11:57 I am loving myself and I am doing things in 12:00 such a way that I am bringing glory to myself 12:04 which is the essence of Eros, but without God's 12:08 Agape even my right actions are going to be selfish. 12:11 Right, And so God is leading us to something much 12:13 higher than that. You go ahead. 12:14 The Holy Spirit too also, one of the things 12:18 I've noticed in the last 8 or 9 months since 12:19 we have been studying this is that the 12:20 Holy Spirit continually convicts me. I am sure 12:24 my husband would agree that I feel conviction 12:28 to search out my true motives. 12:30 Right. So I know what my motives are 12:33 I will feel the need to do that. 12:36 I know that many times John, we have had 12:37 conversations and the three of us or four of us, 12:40 Tom and I and the two of you and that you have 12:43 brought a, what if a person really doesn't realize 12:49 they haven't changed yet or some idea like that, 12:52 what if they don't really know their motives 12:55 and they just, it's on the outside but they don't 12:57 understand what's going on. They may appear to 13:01 be changing but not quite enough on the inside 13:04 and I am not certain what was behind those 13:07 kinds of questions but I know that you are 13:09 struggling with something and this is what we 13:11 are getting it is that our motives be pure 13:14 and that we are not deceiving ourselves and 13:16 we are not fooling ourselves that 13:18 our change is genuine. Right. 13:21 You know, So. We got to seek him to bring him 13:23 about in our lives, it's not an outward 13:25 observance so much as an inward 13:30 transformation Yes. 13:31 He wants us to inculcate an embody an inward 13:33 principal that then will result in an outward 13:36 transformation in our lives but it's possible for 13:39 us because we are blind legalists and our natural 13:43 tendency is to be legalistic. 13:45 It is possible for us to get the cart before the 13:47 horse and look at God's standards and say, okay 13:50 you know I can measure up to that and typically 13:52 what you'll have is two classes of people 13:54 the strong willed and the weak willed. 13:56 The strong willed can do it, they can handle it, 13:58 they set their eyes on the prize and they go for it 14:01 and they decide that they are going to conquer 14:03 and that they are going to be good. 14:05 Right, right. So to speak and they make it 14:08 and then you have the weak willed ones on that 14:09 same program. Right. 14:11 That just can't seem to ever measure up, right, 14:13 because their wills aren't strong enough 14:15 and the strong willed ones often make the weak 14:17 willed ones feel defeated. Yes. 14:20 Unless the gospel of Jesus is present. Amen. 14:24 And its made everybody involved. Right. 14:26 That only God's grace can save a person from 14:30 themselves and God is seeking to transform 14:33 people internally. Right, right. 14:35 And how we view one another in this subject. 14:37 Yeah, that's right. 14:39 You know, God can transform our life 14:41 principles from selfish to self giving, 14:43 That's right. Don't you think? 14:44 that's what he is looking to do, 14:45 that's exactly what he is looking to do. Yeah. 14:47 And I think if we don't proceed with that 14:53 process we might run into trouble later. 14:55 You mean deal with our motives. 14:56 Yeah, I think if we were refuse to deal with our 14:59 hearts we refuse to go down on our heart level 15:01 and get in earnest with God and get honest with 15:03 God about what principles we're operating on 15:07 if we refuse to come out of our natural enate 15:10 legalism, into his righteousness which 15:13 crucifies self glory. Right. 15:16 If we refuse to part with our own pride 15:19 and you know pride can mask itself pretty well 15:21 and you can be a religious person and be very 15:23 proud. Right, absolutely. 15:25 Yes and so if we don't deal with the motives 15:28 our heart and allow God to transform us I think 15:31 that what will ultimately happen is that a test 15:35 will come along that is more than even our 15:37 strong master for wills can handle and we will 15:41 crumble. Absolutely. That's right. 15:44 And we can say some more, is there more that 15:45 you can say about the positive side of 15:48 monogamy you want to say any before you go 15:50 into your more the next text that you have. 15:55 Sure, I think its God's will and I think that there 15:59 is an aspect to monogamy that is impossible to 16:02 document and that is the spiritual aspect to it, 16:06 a person lives according to the principal of Eros 16:11 and it leads them into a polygamous approach to 16:14 relationship, multiple relationships or even 16:17 infidelity within their relationships or getting 16:20 too involved too fast as a young person. 16:22 Right, right. I think it can actually do spiritual 16:25 damage and people can be lost and they can be 16:27 caught up in a delusive spirit and they can be 16:29 lost unless they are part of that ultimately. 16:32 You know, I think too that our nation is 16:34 beginning to realize this because books are 16:36 coming out on subjects of true love weights, 16:41 there is a lot of information I believe 16:42 that God is really inspiring people, that's not just 16:46 been in this past year. This has been going on for 16:49 10 or 12 years every bit of it, if not more 16:52 by some people that God is touching to write 16:55 and try to reach people but I think its really 16:59 happening over the last two years or three 17:02 and people are waking up that what we have 17:04 come out of in the last 30-40 years and throwing 17:07 away authority and throwing away what God 17:10 had said and we are reaping the whirlwind now, 17:14 we are really reaping the results of our choices 17:18 and now we have a swing back towards wanting 17:23 to do what God would have us to do 17:25 in relationships at least its unbecoming much 17:29 more aware of it and I think there are many 17:31 that are. That's right. 17:32 Karen, did you have some other questions may be 17:34 that you would like to throw in. 17:36 Well no I just as far as what you were saying 17:38 it becomes, in the beginning of our relationship 17:41 it was very self serving and even before we got 17:46 married just a month before we got married, 17:48 I was very, very strong about wanting to wait, 17:55 we didn't even move in together you know, 17:58 John got the apartment and I'm moved in after 18:01 we were married. I remember, Yeah, 18:03 and I was very impressed with you because you 18:05 don't run into well first I might add that 18:08 my husband and I are property managers 18:10 and so we run into several people who have chosen 18:15 for their way of life certainly some things 18:18 that God would never have them to do, 18:19 but they are not recognizing God in their life 18:22 and consequently many of them have ruined lives 18:27 and when this young lady came along we had 18:29 several hours of discussion one day 18:31 and I was very impressed with her desires to do 18:34 what the Lord would have her to do, even 18:36 though her life was, had a lot of changes coming 18:40 and we all do when we start out coming to know 18:43 the Lord and she had a desire to have the 18:47 apartment rented and that her husband would 18:50 or rather at that time her fiance would move in 18:52 and she would wait until they were married 18:54 and then they would be together in their 18:56 new little home and I, you know, that thought is 18:59 something that I thought was a wonderful thing. 19:02 Well, the Lord instills, the beginning is the 19:06 desire to change and then the Lord just guides 19:08 you along, the minute, the moment, the very 19:11 moment that I wanted to change the Lord just 19:13 said, okay, my child and he held my hand 19:16 and he showed me. It wasn't even like a 19:18 challenge for me, it wasn't like I had to try. 19:23 I just this is what flowed naturally, the Lord just 19:27 showed me this is what I would love you to do 19:29 and I just immediately wanted to do that 19:31 and same for John. 19:33 Choices, but you were making choices even 19:36 though you may not have realized it they were 19:37 choices at the time. Right. 19:39 because love for God doesn't flow naturally, 19:43 it flows divinely. Right, right. 19:46 And it, our natural nature generally fights 19:49 against it, but obviously you were making 19:51 choices and the Holy Spirit was working on 19:53 those choices. Amen. And making things work out. 19:56 If you can look back to that period 19:58 of your life what would you say were the 20:00 reasons why you were wanting to make those 20:02 changes to begin with. Because you weren't 20:05 always there. No. You know something was 20:06 changing, what was it that was changing? 20:08 What was changing was my, I began to see 20:11 other people and see that they had a different 20:14 kind of love and I began to desire and I realized 20:18 there is something different than what 20:19 I have, there is something different 20:21 that what I know and I wanted to know that 20:23 because what I saw looked a lot happier than 20:26 what I had and it looked a lot better and 20:28 I thought there is something better 20:30 and I wanted that. 20:32 You know, that's a watch word in our church 20:34 something better, something better, 20:36 John did you have a comment that you want 20:37 to add a moment ago. 20:38 I was just gonna say that it wasn't, it wasn't 20:40 always easy you know it's not always easy. 20:42 No, it's not. Making those decisions. 20:45 New decisions. But as you learn more and more 20:48 about God's love and you know, you let him 20:52 transform you. Yes. 20:56 You just, I don't know how to explain it, 20:58 you know I don't know how to describe it. 20:59 Sometimes its not describable. Yeah. 21:02 It just pulls you in. Right. 21:03 The Holy Spirit moves in your life. 21:05 But I think a scripture here that would be perfect 21:09 is the transforming by the renewing of your 21:13 mind, now you, I had learned new things 21:17 and being as you thought on them that word in 21:21 your mind began to make new thought patterns, 21:24 so you began to think differently then you did 21:26 before. Yeah. 21:27 And those new thoughts created new feelings 21:30 and that whole thing began to change your 21:33 character, I mean that's what the Lord tells us. 21:35 Right, it's good. And it's by the renewing 21:38 of your mind. I want to go back to the thought 21:40 that I made, the point that I made a little while 21:43 ago that if we don't deal with our motives, 21:46 if the Holy Spirit that moved in your life and is 21:49 moving in so many lives doesn't get to the 21:50 bottom of our motives, we won't be prepared for 21:53 the tests that's going to come upon us very soon 21:57 and I want to make a comparison between the 22:01 church and the wilderness. Yes. 22:03 The Hebrew people as they travel through the 22:05 wilderness and the present day church, 22:09 we are told that they were examples for us 22:11 and when they were on the borders of the heavenly, 22:14 of the earthly Canaan, Yes, they were faced with an 22:18 unprecedented temptation, nothing that they had 22:21 ever faced was equivalent to what they were 22:24 facing on the borders of Canaan, when they 22:27 were faced with a temptation of idolatry 22:30 and infidelity with the Moabite and Midianite 22:33 women and we are told pretty much, wholesale, 22:37 the camp of Israel fell into sin 22:39 Right. As a result of that we are told that the 22:42 same scenario will be reproduced at the end of 22:46 time when God's people are on the borders 22:48 of the heavenly Canaan. Heavenly Canaan. 22:50 Isn't that heavy thought? It is. 22:52 It is and we are seeing it. 22:53 And I want to look at that text right now, 22:58 it says "as we approach the close of time, 23:01 as the people of God stand upon the borders 23:03 of the heavenly Canaan, Satan will, as of old, 23:06 redouble his efforts to prevent them from 23:09 entering the goodly land, by worldly friendships, 23:13 by the charms of beauty, by pleasure seeking, 23:17 mirth, feasting, or the wine cup, he tempts to the 23:22 violation of the seventh commandment." 23:25 That's from patriarchs and prophets which is a 23:27 great book. So the same scenario is going to be 23:32 reproduced in the present day church, that hit 23:36 the ancients. Yes. On the borders of Canaan 23:40 and I believe if people are not prepared by doing 23:43 the hard work that is necessary for that 23:46 preparation they are going to be hit with 23:49 something that they had no idea they would ever 23:51 confront and they will be caught off guard and 23:53 we're told that many bright lights will go out. 23:55 Yes. So, that's what God is leading us to I think 23:59 at least in this context, he wants us to make 24:03 real earnest and really focused on the hard aspect 24:08 of Christian growth. Amen. 24:10 Would you agree with that? Oh absolutely. 24:11 Yeah And if you would like to give us a little 24:16 recap now of what we're going over. Sure. 24:18 And what we've been going over. Sure. 24:20 We're talking about the difference between 24:22 human love and God's love. Human love is 24:26 typically what theologians and philosophers 24:30 call Eros which just means self serving love. 24:34 Right. It can be love of various types, 24:37 but it is a love that is characterized by seeking to 24:41 acquire another to in which self. 24:44 Right. And it's a type of love that appears to be 24:48 love for another but it is really self love. 24:52 You know, how you can just seem to be so 24:53 passionately in love with another person 24:55 or a relationship can seem to be so passionate, 24:59 people seem to love each other so much. 25:01 Yes. But in fact they are involved in a sort of 25:05 self love. When you dive deeper you notice that. 25:08 You realize that its just self love. More selfish. 25:10 And you really don't weather the storms, 25:13 that kind of love doesn't weather the storms 25:16 together. It doesn't weather the storms 25:17 and we're going to be talking more about that 25:19 later, but in contrast of that is God's love which 25:23 is a love of service. I love another person based 25:27 on commitment, based on a desire to do them 25:30 good, based on a principle rather than a feeling. 25:37 God is trying to lead us to a place where we 25:40 have the Agape principle in our own personal 25:42 experience. Right. 25:44 And so while monogamy is God's ideal, 25:46 we need to go deeper than just a behavior mode 25:49 programmed that leads us to do the right thing 25:52 for the wrong reason. God is trying to lead us to 25:55 the place where we are pure within and without 25:59 and I believe that only that will prepare us for 26:03 the unprecedented test before us. Amen. 26:05 Would you agree with that? 26:06 I agree with that. Yeah. 26:07 And you know some of the things too that 26:09 I would like to say just before we come to a 26:10 close is some of the material that I have been 26:14 reading that other people have been recognizing 26:17 this problem that flows around the world, 26:19 its inhumane nature. But you know, I read those 26:22 things that come out of the Western World 26:24 and I have been interested by the 26:28 statistics that have shown that even churched 26:31 youth have difficulties and there is got to be that 26:36 hidden reasons, not even hidden, that reasons 26:39 why that just behavior modification is not going 26:44 to always keep them out of trouble. 26:45 That's right. I am not saying that a person 26:46 can't be overwhelmed even when they are truly 26:49 converted and so forth. But that if we have more 26:55 than and I just recently read this out of a very 26:59 influential book that we can trust today 27:04 and even more than 50% of churched youth are 27:09 having difficulties in these intimate areas 27:12 and they don't know why, they don't know how 27:15 to stop themselves and why do they fall into 27:18 these kinds of situations. Now I can go back to 27:20 mine and I wasn't a churched youth 27:22 and but we have an overwhelming problem 27:26 in our nation today That's right. And it's not 27:28 exclusively, it is not, in the unchurched. 27:31 It's the church does well and I personally 27:34 believe that part of it is that we have a lack of 27:36 understanding of God's Agape love 27:38 and I'm going into that. Right. In the next session. 27:40 Right. That the deception of Eros has even hit 27:44 the Christian church. That's right. 27:45 It has, it's been there for a while 27:48 Jennifer thank you and John and Karen. 27:49 And I want to thank you too for being with us 27:52 here on Thinking about Home. 27:54 Don't miss those programs that are coming up 27:56 we want to see you again. Goodbye. |
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