Participants: Kathy Matthews, Karen Tsigonoff, Jennifer Jill Schwirzer, John Tsigonoff
Series Code: TAH
Program Code: TAH000110
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00:31 Hi, I'm Kathy Mathews and I want to welcome you
00:34 to Thinking about Home. Today we're going to be 00:37 discussing some things that might a little 00:39 more controversial, but I think you're going 00:42 to glean a lot of benefits from it. 00:45 And we're going to have a few future programs 00:47 that will be continuing to deal with the subjects 00:50 that we're going to be talking about today, 00:51 we're going to be starting. 00:52 we're going to be starting. 00:53 And it's going to be about the subject 00:56 of love in these last days. 00:58 And I know that in our home life 01:01 that you may have some skeletons in your closet, 01:05 some of you may have and then some of you 01:07 maybe young enough not to have any past that 01:11 has caused you pains and hurts and that I thank 01:14 God for and I hope that our program will be such 01:18 that can prevent you from having relationships 01:21 that will cause you a tremendous amount of pain in 01:26 your life and then we'll be able to give you the 01:29 information that you need to hang to 01:31 between you and God and have a relationship 01:34 that God can be very happy with and you can be very 01:37 happy with. We're going to have 01:39 Jennifer Schwirzer for a guest, she is from 01:43 Connecticut and she is studying for a degree 01:45 and she has as some information about love 01:48 and how people think about love 01:51 today and the difference between what people think 01:55 about love and what the Bible teaches about love 01:58 and we're also going to have a couple of more guests. 01:59 And I'm going to introduce them to you now. 02:01 Jennifer, I'm glad you are here. 02:03 Hi, glad to be here. And we have 02:05 a young couple this year with us as well 02:08 and that's John and Karen Tsigonoff, 02:11 now that's an interesting name. 02:12 I think it has a little Russian background 02:14 doesn't it? Yeah. 02:15 But you weren't born in Russia were you? 02:17 No. No, and I want to explain 02:19 to you John and Karen have come to be with us today 02:23 because my husband Tom and I have, 02:26 we met them about a year ago 02:28 and some months after that John and Karen 02:32 showed an interest in some Bible studies 02:34 and of course that through all our hearts, 02:36 so we've tried to take it on tenderly 02:38 and they have come along with beautiful, 02:41 beautiful and swift desires to follow the Lord 02:45 and I just want to help the viewers to realize 02:50 that John and Karen are still studying and they 02:52 and they are here probably mostly as listeners 02:55 today and learners and they'll be with us 02:58 in a few other programs and they'll still be 03:00 here learning because they are going to share 03:02 just a little bit of their testimony 03:03 with you and you'll be understanding 03:06 more about their lives. But we want to start out 03:09 with Jennifer and the questions that we're gonna 03:14 start with are why do so many people 03:17 make mistakes in the love area? 03:19 In love area. Love is a basic need 03:23 and the more I read and study the subject 03:25 the more I come to the conclusion that people 03:27 actually need love to survive usually we think 03:31 of people needing food, water, shelter to survive. 03:35 I'm convinced that people need love 03:37 to physically thrive and I base that on a couple 03:41 different things one was an experience 03:43 that a South American orphanage had. 03:46 They had 97 infants, the infants we are given 03:50 excellent care in every way, it was a clean place, 03:53 they were given good food, good nutritious food, 03:56 but the staff was so hurried that they didn't have time 04:01 to hold the children and nurture the children 04:03 the way a mother would nurture a baby. 04:05 Hmm. Hmm. And one by one the infants began 04:08 to exhibit symptoms of disease starting a few months 04:12 into this period of time and ultimately over the 04:17 next several years 76 of the original 97 orphans 04:22 died of seemingly no cause. 04:26 Now since that experience they've come up with the term 04:29 for the condition and the term is marasmus 04:32 and it just literally means wasting away. 04:34 Really? And you remember the orphans of Romania. 04:37 Yes. Of recent years many Americans 04:40 adopted those orphans and I was just reading 04:42 yesterday about some experiences some of 04:45 those parents had. They started to see behavior, 04:48 behavioral and emotional problems in these orphans 04:51 and they took them into to have them looked out 04:55 and I'll read this from the studied that I was reading 04:57 from, it says radiological imaging was taken 04:59 of their children's brains. The images revealed 05:02 that there were areas of the brain that were 05:04 quite literally black holes or areas of brain tissue 05:09 that did not receive adequate stimulation 05:11 and simply died. Oh. 05:14 Isn't that awesome? Ah! Yes. 05:16 They their discovered later what it was from. 05:19 That's right, I read from another magazine 05:23 that was put up by folks of the family that 05:26 when children are neglected or abused in infancy 05:30 they put out stress hormones and the stress hormones 05:33 actually have the effect of keeping the brain 05:36 developing properly. Hmm. So, children that are not 05:40 loved literally come into adulthood brain damaged. Hmm. 05:45 So we need love to survive, a lack of love 05:49 can even lead t physical death. Hmm. 05:51 Now the means where by we get love shifts 05:55 as we grow from physical touch 05:58 to verbal communication. I think our primary avenue 06:01 of receiving love is verbal, the older we get 06:05 although I do believe in touch even into adulthood. 06:08 Yeah. And you're very huggy person 06:10 and I'm not so that's good for me, 06:12 but we need to have communications as we mature. 06:15 And this isn't going on either. 06:18 So older children are not getting the nurture 06:21 they need in the area of communication. Right. 06:23 There is mass communication break down. Right. 06:26 In the home. Let's take a look at some statistics 06:29 having to do with this communication break down. 06:32 Okay. The average mother talks 06:34 seven minutes per day to her teen 06:36 while the average father talks to them five minutes 06:39 each day. But the average teenager watches four 06:43 and a half hours of television everyday. 06:47 This means that the average more input from the TV 06:52 than from their parents. I got that from a book called 06:54 Reviving Ophelia by an author named Mary Pipher. Hmm. 06:58 Isn't that shocking! It is shocking 07:00 and it's pitiful. I have to put my comments 07:03 there because isn't the family really designed 07:06 to meet the social needs? That's right 07:08 and if those needs are not met, 07:10 peoples' love cup so to speak is not filled, 07:13 they experience a lack of development 07:16 and they come into adulthood 07:19 broken empty people. Not just social needs 07:22 but you need communication needs is probably what 07:24 I should have said but social as well. 07:26 That's right, that's right and you know this very 07:29 fact is echoed in the Bible. Let's look at the graphic 07:32 from Matthew 24, "and Jesus said 07:36 and because lawlessness is increased, 07:38 most people's love will grow cold." 07:41 Because of the break down of communication, 07:43 because of abuse in the home, because of neglect 07:46 in the home we see people incapable 07:49 of even natural affection. Hmm. 07:52 The human race is just going downhill. Hmm. 07:57 Big time with every generation. 08:00 But there is a scripture that talks about 08:02 that the Lord told us about are the affections would be 08:08 unseemly or the natural affections would not be there. 08:10 That's right. I think in Matthew. That's right. 08:12 Brother would betray brother. Yes. 08:14 Children will betray parents. We are seeing it happen. 08:17 And we are seeing it happen, that's right. 08:19 Things are pretty grim. Hmm. So what's the result? 08:22 Well, the result is lot of damage 08:24 but there is also hope. Amen. 08:26 And God can through his grace restore people, 08:30 he can restore his image in man 08:33 and he can also restore relationships, 08:35 because you can't have a functional 08:38 healthy relationship that's based on love 08:41 and communication when the people in 08:44 the relationship are broken dysfunctional people. 08:47 Right. So God restores the individuals 08:49 and he also restores the relationships. Amen. 08:52 And I think that's probably what John and 08:53 Karen are discovering. Might be too, might be too. 08:55 And with some struggle but are discovering it. 08:58 You know the whole movement of true love 09:01 waits is something that, it's going on across 09:06 the nation maybe around the world 09:08 and we're going to be going into more of the idea 09:11 of true love waits so that you don't have 09:15 such broken lives and relationships. 09:18 God has a wonderful plan for us 09:22 and if we will just come to him and submit our 09:25 hearts to him we're going to be able to find 09:28 much more happiness than any other way, 09:30 any place that we could possibly search for it. 09:33 God has the way an John and Karen are 09:36 discovering some of this. Hmm. 09:37 Did you want to allow them to share with, Yeah 09:41 me Jennifer, that's perfect. Do you think that's 09:42 probably be a good time for this? 09:44 Tell us how you know you came into your relationship. 09:48 Maybe a little testimony. Without the tools 09:50 that you needed but that the Lord is giving you 09:52 those tools and he is restoring you. 09:54 Amen, amen. Growing up and I m sure 09:57 my husband John can attest to this, we, 10:00 I had for myself I had a very, very dysfunctional 10:03 upbringing. I never got the chance to really 10:07 truly see what true love was so I have 10:10 this misconstrued idea of my life. 10:12 Right. And in seeking love outside of my parents 10:16 I always came across relationships 10:19 that were very damaging.Yes. And then we're more 10:22 selfish and emotion based then God based 10:26 then you know what the Bible has to say. Right. 10:28 Did you have some dysfunction in your family? 10:33 This, the things that you saw and heard that 10:36 were causing you to develop the wrong idea 10:39 of what love could possibly be. 10:41 Well, a lot, right, a lot of emotional abuse, 10:42 fathers that were you know drinking and alcoholism. 10:48 And drugs too. And drugs too drugs also yes ma'am. 10:51 And some of that and you were exposed to 10:52 that at a young age. Yes, and now we're going to turn 10:55 to you John I want to hear a little bit your testimony 10:58 because I know that yours is somewhat similar to 11:01 Karen's there are some similarities 11:03 but there is lot of differences too. 11:04 Didn't you live in a home with your grandmother? 11:08 Yes, I did I was pretty much. What was that like? 11:11 Well, I was always pretty much pond off 11:16 on my grandmother for one reason or another 11:20 and growing up you know being raised by grandmother 11:28 there was resentment in the home from my uncles 11:30 and my grandfather. Right. And there is concern arguing 11:33 and fighting. Right. And you observed that a lot. 11:36 Yeah and she also had to play a mother 11:41 and a father figure. To you. Kind of yeah. Right. 11:45 Yeah, it wasn't the, she did the best that she could. 11:47 You have a lot of special feelings toward 11:49 your grandmother don't you? Yes I do, 11:51 I've been with her for most my life and. Yeah. 11:53 You know it's not that way you know now the as far as. 11:58 You mean the relationships between your father, 11:59 I mean between your uncles and so forth, 12:01 various other ones. Between yeah, between my family, 12:02 I just, you know even though it's not that way 12:04 now during that period of time as I saw in that. 12:07 Hmm. It was. You mean things are better? 12:09 Yeah I've had, I'd say within the past five or six years 12:13 I've been able to establish a relationship with them. 12:16 Amen. And since you've been studying 12:19 have you established a little bit more relationship, 12:21 has there been some reconciliations with a sister 12:23 or someone? Oh, yes it has different, 12:29 what I felt that I've made piece with my family 12:32 you know different people in my family. Right. 12:36 Because like I said growing up there was constant 12:40 arguing and fighting. Right. 12:41 And there wasn't, there wasn't a whole lot of love 12:43 there. Hmm. Go ahead. 12:46 So just in this, like Karen was saying you know, yeah. 12:53 About getting a misconstrued idea 12:56 of what God's love was. Yes. There is many, 13:00 many misconceptions also of what I thought that I 13:02 was you know had the foundation from. 13:05 From your grandmother. Yeah, from having that 13:07 upbringing. Great. We got to put a raw role in 13:11 for grandma, you know. Yeah. Who keep, 13:15 wanting to put the love of God before 13:18 their young ones, you know and probably doesn't talk 13:21 about the grandmothers of Israel or the mothers of Israel 13:24 and from generation to generation passing down 13:27 what is it that God would have them to do. 13:28 So we thank God that you had that grandmother 13:31 in your life. Yeah. Yeah. And praise God we've both 13:34 had some what of a foundation, I even 13:37 with the abuse growing I've had a foundation 13:39 we've have bible studies and things with my 13:41 uncles and things so that. So you knew that was a God 13:44 and you knew that there was a Son of Jesus Christ 13:46 and that he was our savior. Right, right 13:47 right and that laid the foundation, so when we 13:50 started studying with you and your husband, 13:52 we just were constantly convicted by the actions 13:58 that we had an old relationship, we got married 14:01 and we were faulty and we started to study with you 14:04 and then as the months went by we would read certain text 14:08 that the text out of Philippians 14:10 in chapter 4 verse 8. This had a profound effect 14:13 on you I think. Yes, yes, I read this text 14:15 it as if I may I read it? Yes, go ahead. 14:18 Finally Brethren whatsoever things are true, 14:22 whatsoever things are honest, 14:24 whatsoever things are just, 14:26 whatsoever things are pure, 14:28 whatsoever things are lovely, 14:30 whatsoever things have good report, 14:32 if there be any virtue, if there be any praise 14:36 think on these things and I became convicted 14:40 by the Holy Spirit. Yes. And I thought this is not right. 14:43 Yes. This conception I have of love is not true 14:46 and I began to search. We both began to search. 14:50 Yes. And we wanted to find the truth 14:53 we knew that what we, the idea we had 14:55 was not the true idea of what God would want us 14:58 to do. And it's incredible because Tom and I 15:01 have had to be very careful because 15:03 we don't want you though we watch. 15:06 You watch our lives like people watch Paul's life. 15:11 We want to lead you to Christ not to us. 15:14 Right. But there are things in our lives 15:16 that had changed and I think maybe those 15:20 were witnesses to John and Karen 15:22 and helped them to want to make some changes 15:24 in their lives, though the Lord is not finished 15:26 with us yet either. And now Jennifer we need to move 15:29 back into the subject I think. Subject matter yes. 15:32 I think Karen and John would agree 15:34 with me that the first step in making 15:36 any changes in our relationships when we see 15:39 that there are changes that need to be made 15:41 is to understand what true love is. 15:44 Yes, right. Yes absolutely. 15:45 Yeah and sometimes we do that by contrasting it 15:48 with what it isn't? Yes. This is interesting 15:51 First Corinthians 13 which is the love chapter 15:53 of the New Testament puts its descriptions 15:57 of love mostly in the negative, 16:00 there are 9 references to love that are in the negative 16:03 and only 7 that are in the positive. 16:05 Right. In other words there are 9 that say 16:07 things like love is not rude. Yes. 16:10 And there are only 7 that say love 16:11 is patient and kind. Yes. So God often describes to 16:15 us his love by telling us what it's not. Right. 16:18 Its called comparison in contrast and sometimes 16:21 the only way we can figure out what it is, 16:23 is by looking in our past and saying that 16:25 wasn't it. Am I right? Right. 16:27 So the first step in making these changes that 16:29 we need to make in the way we relate to one another 16:32 especially as pertains to marriage and courtship 16:35 is to understand what God's love is. 16:39 Yes. And of course understand what it isn't. 16:42 Well in English language we only have one word 16:44 to describe that. That's right 16:45 and that's the thing I was going into next. 16:46 It's important for us to expand our vocabulary, 16:50 you know there are only, there is only one word 16:53 for love in English language like you said, 16:54 but in Greek there are four words. 16:57 Yes. And that's of course the language that the 16:59 New Testament was written in. 17:01 Now you know we go to church and we hear pastor 17:05 say God is love and he is talking about 17:07 the pure Holy love of God. Yes. Then the next day 17:11 we go to the grocery store and we hear 17:13 baby I love you booming over the loud speakers. 17:15 Yes. That's talking about a totally different animal. 17:18 Yes. It's not talking about the same kind of 17:20 love that the pastor was talking about. Right. 17:22 And yet because we use the same word 17:24 there is a certain confusion that comes about. Right. 17:27 And that confusion stems back to our limited 17:31 linguistics. Yes. So, let's expand our love vocabulary. 17:35 Right. And look at those four words 17:37 for love that we find in the Greek language: 17:42 1. Storge - which is familial love 17:45 such as the love for a mother for a child. 17:47 Yes. 2, Phileo - which is brotherly love 17:50 or friendship oriented love. Yes, aha. 17:52 3. is Eros - which is romantic love, 17:56 which is based on attraction usually between the genders. 18:01 Yes. And the 4th last but definitely 18:04 not least is Agape, which is God's unconditional love. 18:07 Hmm. Now I think John had a comment 18:11 on one of those particular ones. 18:14 Well I think I believe that the, the Eros 18:17 kind of love is what we based our relationship 18:21 on in the beginning, so I think that 18:23 for you know why we had such a tough time. Right. 18:27 And you know finding. And you know it's not just 18:29 why we had such a tough time it's because you are still 18:33 having such a tough time and you're not out of 18:35 it yet you're recognizing God's truths. 18:37 But to get them out and get certain things out of head 18:41 it takes a little time and you need to be a little more 18:43 gentle with yourselves I think. 18:45 You now, I think it's important to recognize 18:47 as well that God created us with the capacity 18:50 for all those different kinds of love. 18:52 He created us to have a love partner 18:56 and get married and experience Eros love. 19:00 He created us with that capacity. 19:02 He created women with a capacity to love like 19:04 a mother and men to be able to love like a father. 19:08 He created us with the capacity to have friends. 19:10 Hmm. And those are all God given 19:13 you know impulses that we have. Right. 19:16 Or instincts that we have. Right, 19:17 it's we that have changed and perverted it. 19:20 But because we are fallen. Yes. 19:22 Everything goes dry, when we were originally 19:25 created in our original state of perfection 19:27 we were programmed as it were with God's Agape love. 19:31 Right. And that was the under pending 19:32 or the under goading, underneath every 19:35 relationship, every relationship exercised 19:37 the principle of self giving love. 19:39 Right. But unfortunately because we are 19:42 fallen we tend to thrive on our natural affections 19:46 without per taking of the Spirit of God's 19:50 Agape love and any relationship that is 19:53 based on natural affection alone 19:55 will ultimately self destruct, 19:57 I'm convinced of it. Hmm. 19:58 So, we need to at this point approach it 20:01 differently then we would if we were still 20:03 perfect and we need to have the infilling of God's 20:05 Spirit working in ourselves, in our hearts 20:08 and in our relationships so that those 20:10 types of relationships can survive. 20:13 Right. And God is good and he does that for us. 20:15 So without God's love then all human. That's right. 20:19 Love fails. That's right. 20:20 A good example would be you know, 20:23 Bible says can a mother forget her sucking 20:26 child that she should not have compassion 20:28 on the son of her womb. Yeah she may. 20:30 And then the word goes on to say 20:31 yes she may forget them but I will not forget you. 20:34 And you know that makes me think of Melissa Drexler 20:36 who is the girl that you know so many of us 20:39 know about who became pregnant out of wedlock 20:42 she was at her High School prom, 20:43 gave birth to the baby in a bathroom 20:45 and threw the baby away literally in the garbage. 20:48 And this is. You can imagine. 20:50 Well, this is not uncommon you know this is 20:52 on public news and that was not uncommon 20:54 and its' somehow that got to be very promoted 20:57 or very public news. But this proves that God 21:01 and what God said that ye she may forget, 21:05 but I will not forget you. That's right. 21:06 That's the worse case scenario. 21:08 You know most of us wouldn't resort to something like 21:11 that and yet without God's Agape working in our 21:13 relationships our relationships 21:16 will disintegrate. Right. Over time. 21:18 Okay what else information do we have? 21:20 What other information do we have? 21:21 I think it might be good idea for us to get a real 21:24 clear definition in our minds of the difference 21:27 between God's Agape love. 21:29 Right. And typical human love. Right. 21:33 And I in a nut shell, I would put it this way 21:36 I would say God's love, well let me start with 21:39 human love, human love is an acquisitive type of love. 21:42 Hmm. That reaches up to something that 21:46 that the individual deems valuable and tries 21:50 to obtained that something or that someone 21:52 in order to enrich one's self. 21:55 Did you say inquisitive? Acquisitive. 21:58 Acquisitive, I thought it wasn't inquisitive. 21:59 No not inquisitive, acquisitive, 22:01 in other words being motivated to acquire. 22:03 Acquisition, okay. To acquire something. 22:05 So I'm reaching up to acquire something 22:07 that I deem worthy or good in order to obtained 22:10 it for myself so that I can enrich myself. Right. 22:13 It's a love based on desire. I see something 22:16 worth loving, I think it's beautiful, 22:18 I think it's good, I think it's valuable 22:20 and I want it so I can have it for myself. Right 22:23 That's human love, alright, and that's how everyone 22:25 of us is destined to love apart from the grace of God. 22:29 Yes. In contrast to that is God's Agape love. Right. 22:33 Which works on the opposite principle. 22:36 Agape love gives of itself actually descends 22:41 or condescends like Christ condescended. 22:43 Right. To help something that is in need 22:48 of help or to save something. Right. 22:50 That is in need of salvation in order to make 22:53 that something richer. So human love 22:56 seeks to acquire to enrich self. 22:58 It's selfish. God's love seeks to give 23:00 in order to enrich others. 23:02 Selfless. That's right. Selfish, selfless 23:05 and I think of the text he became sin for us who knew 23:10 no sin that we might be made the righteousness 23:13 of God in him. Amen. 23:14 So we need to think of human love in terms 23:16 of a love that is seeking to obtain that is ascending 23:20 or going up and God's love in terms of something 23:23 that is seeking to give like the Bible says. 23:26 That's reaching down. Jesus poured out his soul into 23:29 death Isaiah 53, something that is seeking 23:31 to give that is reaching downward. Yes. 23:34 To help. It's beautiful Jennifer, thank, it is, 23:36 you, beautiful and that's the basic difference 23:37 between human love and God's love 23:40 as I said before we were created 23:43 in God's image originally and when we were 23:45 perfect we were programmed with Agape. Right. 23:48 So we would naturally love in order to enrich another. 23:51 Right. Now how about friends betraying one another. 23:54 What about that kind? Well any relationship 23:57 that is based on merely human love 24:00 now that we are in fallen state and we no longer 24:03 have Agape working in us naturally. 24:05 Hmm. Any relationship would disintegrate. 24:09 It will simply die out or people will 24:12 betray one another. Right. 24:13 You know and the same thing is true of romantic 24:16 based relationships. You know if lasting 24:20 relationships depended on good equipment 24:22 or strong passion. Right. 24:24 There would be divorces in Hollywood you know. 24:28 Right. Because they have the best equipment 24:30 and they have the most. Lots of passion. 24:33 Fiery love affairs. Yes. But do those relationships last. 24:36 No, they don't. Once we began to study 24:40 and we both agreed that something wasn't right 24:45 and I had to literally pray constantly 24:50 I mean night after night I would pray and 24:52 I say Lord please instill in me your knowledge 24:55 of how I should love my husband? 24:57 How do I love my husband with your kind of love 25:01 not with my kind of love, because my love 25:03 is sinful, my love was more you know 25:07 feeling bound and. Based on desire. 25:10 Selfish as you say. And John wanted 25:13 a selfless love. Have you developed patience 25:15 with some of this? Or you would develop patience. 25:19 Everyday developing patience yeah there is. 25:21 And coping with your own thoughts. 25:23 Well, yeah likely was good and said you know 25:26 I'm not where I ought to be but I'm glad that I'm. 25:30 You're glad your not where you used to be. 25:32 Yeah. I'm glad that I'm not where I used to be definitely. 25:35 Right, amen. And you know I talked about human love 25:38 being based on desire, often times romances 25:40 start out with a real strong motivation of desire, 25:43 you meet a person they are good looking, 25:45 they have a great personality you just have some kind 25:47 of chemistry with them and you feel very motivated 25:50 to be with that person and often a commitment 25:52 follows, but after the commitment is made 25:55 and the marriage alter is crossed often times 25:59 I say probably 100% of the time. Wouldn't you Kathy? 26:02 The feelings die out and the desire kind of dissipates. 26:08 So would you say that there is the principle 26:10 of love that has to be a decision 26:12 it's not based merely on desire. 26:14 And if there isn't a principle there. Hmm. 26:16 Then what's going to perpetuate the relationship. 26:18 You know I would say you know every white knight 26:21 that fights dragons and you fall in love with him 26:24 ends up having dragon breath in the morning. 26:26 You know, so there is always going to be something 26:29 in your relationship with a person 26:31 overtime that turns you off. 26:32 You know, what are you gonna do if you 26:34 don't have a principle based relationship at that point? 26:37 If your relationship is based on desire 26:40 and you no longer have the desire, 26:42 how is the relationship going to survive. 26:45 Right. Without God's Agape love. 26:47 You know mothers and fathers have to ask God 26:50 to give them love for their children you have to ask 26:52 God to give love to you for you for your husband 26:54 and he has to do that at times for you. 26:57 Right. And so forth, John did you have something 26:59 you wanted to say? We've coming into out last 27:01 few seconds what did you have? 27:02 I just wanted to say what she's saying about 27:04 the Agape love is once you learn about the Agape love 27:08 those things seem they disappear after a while, 27:13 they disappear and they are not noticeable, those 27:15 flaws that you find. They fall into place. 27:19 That's good thought. Thank you. 27:20 And I even think of my children you know, 27:22 you know I can be so in love with my children 27:25 you know I can just, they are so cute 27:27 you know and I can feel so endeared to them, 27:30 but then they do something that 27:31 just drives me crazy and you know. 27:33 You know we're going to go into more 27:34 on this aren't we Jennifer? Yes, we are. 27:36 And we don't want to lose you on this. 27:38 I think, that in our love relationships the only 27:43 thing that's safe is to be bound by Christ. 27:45 Amen. That's right. 27:46 Amen and I want to thank you for being here 27:48 I know you have been nervous. 27:50 Thank you for having us. Its' been great. 27:51 And I want to thank you for being with us 27:54 as well and don't miss next time 27:55 because it's going to be good 27:57 on Thinking about Home. |
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