Participants: Kathy Matthews, Jay Gallimore
Series Code: TAH
Program Code: TAH000106
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00:31 Welcome to Thinking about Home. I am Kathy Matthews
00:33 and I am very glad that you are with us again today. 00:35 We've been discussing the subject of redemptive 00:38 discipline, redemptive Church discipline, and we've been 00:42 comparing the principles there as to how we can use it 00:45 in the home. And with us again today is Jay Gallimore, 00:49 the Michigan Conference President of the Seventh-Day 00:53 Adventist Church. Is that okay, Jay? 00:55 Yeah. It's great. I'm glad that you are here 00:56 again with us. Thanks. You can help us to begin to 01:00 understand the process that we need to go through how to 01:04 use on redemptive discipline. Yeah, that's very important 01:08 and usually this is the place of course the people skip to 01:11 the first. We've been one already on the prevention. 01:14 And last time, we talked about the three different 01:17 styles of church discipline and sometimes how that 01:19 affects the home. Right. And we talked about 01:22 judgmental discipline, the punishment, satisfied once 01:25 punished, letting that way to the Day of Judgment, 01:28 and we talked about ostrich discipline, where people just 01:31 basically abandoned in the name of compassion. Right. 01:34 Any kind of response to peoples needs to be restored. 01:39 We talked about David and Bathsheba. And then we 01:42 talked about redemptive discipline. Right. 01:46 The attitude that I'm here to redeem and to restore before 01:50 the Day of Judgment ever gets here. Anyway, 01:51 God would like to have it. That's right. And we talked 01:54 about the similarities, the dissimilarities between 01:56 those two things, and today we wanna talk about 01:59 as you mentioned already, the process. Once a person 02:02 has strayed what do you we do? Right. To bring them back. 02:06 Right. And that's what we mean by process. Right. 02:09 And we have heart breaking Church members out there 02:13 and we have some they don't even understand 02:16 that there is a process and then over into the family and 02:20 the home, we have heart breaking parents. And then 02:23 we have parents that don't understand at all what they 02:26 need to do. Yes. And I think we can help them on this today. 02:29 I hope, I hope it would be a blessing. Okay. 02:32 First of all, we have to ask ourselves a question; 02:34 who is that, that needs to be redeemed? 02:37 Now first of all of course we think about the one lost 02:40 sheep. Right. Obviously, that's the focus of attention 02:43 the individual, who strayed from the fall, right, and 02:47 needs to be brought back. But really we are doing 02:49 more than restoring that individual, you know, 02:51 the scripture refers the body of Christ as the 02:55 body of Christ. Right. So, if my thumb is really 02:58 hurt it affects my whole body Right. And so when one 03:03 member go to stray, we all hurt. Umm! Umm! 03:06 We cannot just have those callous indifference. Right. 03:09 But the sentimentalism brings of. Well, I don't want 03:13 to hurt them at all, really, you know, I'm so sorry, but 03:16 I don't have to get my hands dirty. You know, when the 03:17 shepherd, when the shepherd discovered he had a sheep loss, 03:22 he went to work, I mean, he was out there in the middle 03:26 of the night. He was trucking up and down those hills with 03:29 all the snakes and scorpions. Thank God. 03:32 Yeah, and who ever knows what else is out there you know 03:35 in the middle of the night. He is the one that finds 03:37 the sheep and he gets his hands dirty, so to speak in 03:41 quotes here and finds that sheep and restores the sheep, 03:45 and restoring sheep is not necessarily an easy thing 03:47 to do sometimes it's very difficult. Yeah. And he says, 03:49 follow me. That's right. And we must add, you know, 03:53 I think you are somewhere out there on a mountain side 03:55 in the middle of the night. You are gonna comeback 03:57 with some bruises and cuts. Right. So, there is pain 04:00 involved. We need to recognize that. Yeah. It's not always 04:02 bed of roses without thorns, isn't it? That's right. 04:06 I think you know, parenting is not only, 04:09 you know I remember holding my children, I mentioned 04:12 this before you know little babies and you look in those 04:14 little faces and you think about all the joy and the 04:17 pleasure that is gonna bring you, but so you now don't 04:19 think about some of the pain that every parent has to go 04:22 through if they are going to redemptively discipline in 04:27 training the children correctly. So then we are 04:29 really talking about the necessity of both family 04:32 members and church members to understand their 04:35 responsibility to others. That is the where 04:37 responsibility is a big word. Umm! We have so many 04:39 dysfunctional families today that's why they are falling 04:42 apart and that's why we have so much trouble because 04:44 family doesn't function. I think that's true in a church. 04:47 The church that doesn't have discipline within it, 04:50 really is going to become dysfunctional and pretty soon 04:53 it will either look like some social club, right, or 04:58 something, but it certainly won't reflect the 05:00 New Testament, the vigor of the New Testament Church. 05:02 Right, right, evangelism. That's right. Umm! Umm! 05:05 So we've, first question we are able to have to ask is, 05:08 who is being redeemed? Right. Not only the 05:10 individual, but we also have the name of the Lord Jesus. 05:14 Umm! Umm! We have the Church family 05:16 and we have the community. All needs to be redeemed 05:19 for instance. Community, now you are not 05:21 talking about the general public community? 05:22 Yeah. What else it? What do you mean community? 05:25 Well, you know, when somebody in the church, let's just pull 05:30 something out the air. Let's say somebody is down 05:33 here shoplifting. Umm! The community is injured by that. 05:37 Right. And the community is looking at the church. 05:39 How would the church respond? Will the church just say, 05:42 well, it doesn't matter or you know, we don't want 05:44 to be hard. That was his fault. That's not me. 05:46 Yeah, yeah. We get the church involved in this for 05:49 the right kind of thing. Yeah, right. 05:50 Or, they gonna watch the church and get to redeem 05:53 this person and restore this person. 05:56 Right. Last time, I used an 05:57 illustration about the person been writing bad checks for 05:59 instance. I think we were redeeming the community 06:02 when those merchants got the money from those bad checks. 06:05 Right. I can understand that. The church, they sold the 06:07 Church see, in a very positve role. So, they are 06:09 saying themselves, Oh! The community is being redeemed 06:12 here. Right. And put back right. 06:13 Did I jump ahead on community while you were gonna talk about 06:16 redeeming the Lords name. No, but I think really they go 06:19 together and the most precious one to all of us 06:25 is the savior, who loves us, yes, you know not only to 06:28 created us, but he has redeemed us. And to injure 06:33 him, David caught it well in his Psalm in Psalm 51, 06:37 Against thee and thee only, have I sinned, have I sinned. 06:39 He didn't mean he did not sin against Bathsheba he meant 06:41 he had not sinned against Nathan in the whole nation 06:43 of Israel. But ultimately the Lord owns all of those. 06:49 Right. And it was the Lord himself that he had 06:52 brought grape. Injured. Injury to it, hurt to. 06:56 Right, right. All the Heather nations, 06:57 all the Pagans nations around them, you know, what fun they 07:01 they must have made of David. They knew what this was 07:03 all about. Right. Callahan was well known in 07:05 the Middle East in the name of God. 07:07 When Christians who are obviously members of the 07:10 Church and are functioning the Church and we go out and 07:14 we do bad business practices and we steal from people 07:19 saying that the business transaction. Who is injured 07:25 there? Right. People make fun of the Lord. 07:28 They say, Oh! Such and such is a Christian. Right. You know 07:31 Bring his name down on the dirt. But they bring the 07:33 Lord down. So when the Church responses, this is not right, 07:36 and we appeal to you change his behavior. Right. 07:39 Then the community has to set up. Right. In the name 07:43 of the Lord is redeemed because they say, obviously 07:45 as Christians they don't believe in that because they 07:47 corrected their member. Umm! Umm! Right. 07:49 Correct that member. You know, I see that too 07:51 in parents and family because somehow our child can get an 07:56 idea. Many children get the idea of being very 07:58 independent. And what they do, shouldn't involve 08:02 my parents. It's not you. It's me. Umm! Umm! 08:04 And the parents can endeavor to get this across to a child. 08:08 Is that? Oh! Yes. What you, you are mine, or you 08:12 you belong to this family. Let's put it better way. 08:14 And what you do affects my life and my reputation and 08:18 somehow we've gotten the idea that's not important. 08:21 Yeah. And we need to grasp this as husbands and wives 08:27 as well. You know, what I, when my wife married me 08:31 she became. Ms. Gallimore. That's right. And so what I do 08:35 has a big affect on her. Right. And vice-versa all that 08:39 all the time. And vice-versa. Right, right. 08:41 So we have another area. Yes, we want to, 08:46 I just make sure we talk, I think we talked about the 08:49 injured Church as well. Okay, alright. 08:50 So I think we talked about. The next question we want to 08:52 deal with is the concept, we dealt with a little bit. Am I 08:57 really my brother's keeper? Right. Do I have, do I really 09:00 have responsibility here? And I think that answer is, 09:04 yes, when it means lovingly, confronting, or carefronting 09:08 individual about difficulties. Straying from the Lord 09:12 it means, yes. When we are appealing to an individual to 09:16 return to the Church and return to the Lord Jesus. 09:19 There is probably a time when it means no, we should 09:23 interpret it at least in that. Right. Right. 09:25 If we are using force, if I'm taking in a dull and I, 09:29 I think that it is my duty to cope forces individual. 09:33 Right. To, we can't force the will. We should never try. 09:38 But that makes me think of something, though you are 09:39 talking about force and the dull mind someone who has 09:43 to make their own decisions and now responsible for 09:45 themselves between them and God. That's not exactly 09:47 the way we would do it in the home when a child is small. 09:52 And we were discussing this a little bit ago and I thought 09:55 well, what about force? You know, define force to me. 09:58 And in our discussion, my question was, 10:01 is chastisement for a young member of the family for 10:07 the home now. We are talking about in the home. 10:10 Two year old, three year old something like that is a, 10:13 is a physical chastisement force or is it the result. 10:18 Is it consequences? Well, I think consequence 10:21 is the right word here. I think we need to help 10:23 young people. They have to make the choices. 10:25 The choices. Even very little children. Right. 10:26 Make it choice whether to put their hand on the hot 10:29 stove or not. Right. And there is a obvious 10:31 consequences. And there is obvious consequence here. 10:32 Right or if they are running out in the street then the 10:35 parent is gonna have to step and take consequences 10:38 in order to protect the child really. Right, but I'm not 10:40 talking about that exactly. I'm talking about when there 10:43 is something coming from the hand of parent possibly. 10:45 Yes. And the parent is now used as the tool as, of the 10:48 consequence. Right. You know, now that we don't 10:52 do in Church discipline. That's true. It's a different, 10:55 a little bit different. Right. Application. Okay. So as they 10:58 grow and become responsible and you know adult now and 11:01 the decisions are between you and God. Your choices are 11:03 completely. Right. Without the others. You don't use force. 11:08 Right, and unfortunately in the middle ages the Church 11:10 didn't quite understand that, that's why we have such tragic. 11:13 History. History, tragic history. So then should parents 11:16 have a well thought out process of redemptive 11:19 discipline. Yes, I think that's true at the Church. 11:23 Jesus certainly gave the Church a well thought out 11:25 process for redemptive discipline and what seemed to 11:27 me that parents would need to have as well. Umm! Umm! 11:31 I think they are not ahead of time. Yeah, absolutely 11:33 make a plan. That's right. Well, let's go to what 11:35 Jesus said, how does Jesus get into this and how does 11:37 he redeem. And we want to go to Matthew chapter 18, 11:40 verses 15 and 17 and share that. Here's what Jesus 11:45 had to say, "If your brother sins, 11:47 go and reprove him in private; if he listens to you, 11:51 you have won your brother. If he does not listen to you, 11:55 take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of 11:58 two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. 12:01 And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; 12:05 and if he refuses to listen to the church, let him be 12:08 to you as a taxgatherer." Now that's a very fascinating 12:12 text that Jesus has and there are steps here. And I think 12:18 first of all, I want to say that these steps are not. 12:22 They are not a legalistic checklist. That its often used 12:27 in the judgmental attitude. And okay, we made the visit, 12:30 we took to, and so here, we are here tonight to take 12:33 care of the problem. It's really a method of pursuit 12:37 of loving hearts, fellow strugglers, repented sinners 12:43 going after someone else to bring them home. Amen. 12:47 And we must ever have that attitude redeem. If that 12:51 attitude ever gets lost, it doesn't become a 12:53 redemptive, you know. Umm! Umm! 12:55 It becomes, it becomes something else. And so 12:59 in the family. Yes. So in the family. 13:02 That's right. Because that attitude should not be lost or 13:06 it just become judgmental or ostrich like you were 13:08 talking about before. Right. That what we really 13:11 have here is that Jesus is reaching over and he is 13:14 turning up the knob of influence, this powered 13:18 influence. One of my favorite authors, Ellen White talks 13:23 about the power of personal influence and Jesus here 13:27 has given us an example on the process. How to use that 13:30 influence to redeem people? That will be something like 13:33 peer pressure. Yes, in a good way. Yes okay. 13:36 Because peer pressure seems to have a negative 13:38 connotation, doesn't it, but in a good way. 13:40 That's right. In fact, when the principles of God's 13:43 word are being used by peers. Umm! Umm! It's, it's a 13:46 wonderful thing. This one is going the other way. 13:49 Right, right. That's the bad thing. 13:51 So these are series of appeals that become more intense 13:55 and become more public. Right. Until a person comes 13:59 to the place they have to make a choice between the 14:02 community of faith and their own chosen lifestyle. Right. 14:06 Independent of congregation. There are three steps 14:11 of course that Jesus gave us, and we need to talk about 14:14 those three steps we just read them. First of course is the 14:17 private visit. Jesus says go to person in private and 14:23 Jesus is very clear about that. I think he did that for some 14:26 very good reasons. I can understand that 14:28 in a family life. Do you want me to talk? Can I talk about it 14:31 just little bit before you go into that. 14:33 Yeah, we sure. I wish you would. 14:34 Well, I think of when the time comes and you need to 14:38 take a child or even if a spouse and husband need to be 14:41 talking that, but I think largely of the children 14:46 because of my experiences with my children. 14:48 Strive not to humiliate. You know, most all 14:53 disciplining on our talks if it's possible. Do it in a 14:56 private manner. So that you are not humiliating them, 14:58 you are wining them. And they can respect that 15:00 when I get older mother that he has always tried to keep 15:03 me from being so embarrassed. That's right. 15:06 That communicates love doesn't it? Yes, yes. 15:09 That's the desire. In fact, the New Testaments 15:13 twice it says love covers a multitude sins, multitude sins, 15:17 yes. I love that. Yes what the heavenly father does. 15:21 You know, he said the savior and the savior's blood covers 15:26 a multitude of our sins. I'm grateful to be able to hide. 15:30 I think any repented sinner, any convicted person of his 15:33 own misbehavior and they realize the seriousness 15:37 of that. Right. Just revels under the fact. Amen. 15:40 That they were covered by the blood of Christ. 15:42 It isn't cheap, isn't it? It isn't cheap, it costs great 15:45 deal for God do that, but it demonstrates how 15:47 much he loves me. Right. So, love does cover 15:50 multitude of sins. It doesn't seek to make a matter 15:52 public if it can be avoided. Right. And you know, 15:57 the course of sometimes are already public matters. 16:00 You can't help that. You can avoid that. 16:02 Even then if you can fix it privately it's better. 16:05 I think even that has a better impact on the community. 16:10 Sometimes it can't be if it's a public matter. 16:13 Sometimes it can't be fixed privately. A good 16:16 example of that was Paul and Peter. And quite a story there 16:20 in the Galatians, and if you remember the story but 16:24 they have all been down in a certain place and there 16:27 Peter has been eating with the Gentiles. Oh! Yes. 16:29 Remember that. Yes. Just like Paul had been, 16:32 and then the circumcision party shows up. You know. 16:35 Right. Then Peter changes. And Peter changed. 16:37 Yeah, right. And this scripture is clear 16:42 that Paul took him on publicly and redeem publicly. 16:44 Yes. And I'm sure that Peter must have repented because 16:47 I think by his writing, it's obvious that. 16:50 That he did That he did. 16:51 And so there is some things that need, that have to be 16:54 dealt because we already in a public issue, but 16:57 the nice thing about the private thing is that 17:00 it gives, it provides an opportunity for discovery. 17:04 Umm! Umm! I sometimes uses illustrations, I said, 17:07 you know, in the Adventist Church we have 17:08 in gather and we go around and invite the community 17:10 to help us with our merciful work, feeding 17:14 the poor and all those kinds of things. 17:17 So, suppose a member is driving down the road 17:21 and they see brother X coming at all places 17:26 of Taron because in Adventist Church we 17:27 don't believe, you see drinking and 17:31 That's not good. We don't worry about them, 17:33 Yeah. Real bad, so, runs out, you run on the road and 17:37 here's somebody coming on Taron and appears 17:40 he stumbling when he because it looks like, M, 17:42 and he got two strikes against it. Yeah. 17:45 That's right. So you know what should this person do? 17:50 Well, sometimes what they do is they go to the 17:52 minister, and they say, Pastor, 17:54 I have to tell you this. And then they tell you the 17:58 sorrow sorry. Now what appears to be a sorrow story. 18:01 And then they asks this question. Right. 18:02 They say, now Pastor what are you going to do about it? 18:08 And the real question, I had members do that? 18:12 That I loved, I mean wonderful members, and I was smiling 18:16 and I would say you know the real question is, what 18:19 are you going to do about it? Are you going to do about it? 18:22 I would help you. I will coach you. 18:24 And gone to that person. Yeah. 18:25 And people need not be coached how to go. Right. 18:28 They need the elders to be prepared to help them 18:29 that kind of thing. Right. Then I seen that when I get 18:33 into that they may have discovered that this 18:36 individual, you know, was not in there drinking. 18:40 He may be in their in gathering. 18:42 Well, he may have had use of telephone. 18:43 Oh me. To call his place, that's right. 18:45 Now, we give him a benefit of doubt. That's right or he may 18:49 have, when he came out stumbled in a mud hole. 18:52 So, you added the telephone and mud hole together 18:55 and you got something there. And so this proverb, 18:58 hey, wonderful praise God, you're okay and there 19:03 have been times when I've gone to an individual 19:05 and that may be some similar circumstances. 19:09 And I've said to them, always take the best 19:13 approach to this. I always assume the best, Umm! 19:17 and as you are probably in there, you know, using 19:19 the telephone. And then, And then you wait look. 19:23 I wait and look. Do you. Yeah, I do it. 19:25 It was just my thought. And person would 19:29 sometimes reply, no I wasn't in there, you can read 19:33 it in the face. Right. And say, thus say, you 19:36 have, is there something you need to tell me? Yes. 19:38 You need. I need your help with. They know 19:40 I love them, you know, I'm gonna, you are not out 19:42 to get them out, I have to bring them in, 19:45 right, to help them with that kind of a thing. 19:47 Okay. So that private visit does a lot things, okay, 19:51 that way and. What's the next one 19:53 Well, the next one is the private, I mean, you take 19:56 two witnesses along with you. And it really Jesus 20:00 brought that for me in the Old Testament. Umm! Umm! 20:02 And the ability, the good thing about that is that it's 20:07 a balance. It's a balance in check or check in 20:10 balance we must say. Yes, I can understand this. 20:12 Oh! Let's me tell you other thing to drinking, 20:13 taking the Adventist Church, you know, drinking alcohol 20:17 is an issue for Church discipline. Yes. 20:22 But a vegetarian, being a vegetarian is not that's the 20:24 matter of choice of education. So there are some people, 20:28 who may make a bigger deal out of something and 20:30 then they ought to make a bigger deal. 20:32 So having some other people go with you to 20:34 help establish the facts is very important in the process. 20:38 Umm! Umm! That keeps somebody 20:40 from being unjustly put in the wrong track, Umm! Umm! 20:44 and it also if there is a problem is not just one 20:47 persons word against another. It's, it's established. 20:50 And this is what you are talking about 20:52 turning up the power. That's right. Of influence. 20:55 In the first one, say there is a problem then hopefully 20:57 there is powerful influence, where influence one to 21:00 one can work, but if doesn't, you know, if I am really 21:05 in trouble and I need a help and you can't get to me. 21:08 Umm! Umm! You go get my brother or you get my 21:11 mother or you get somebody a dear friend, 21:14 and you bring that person or two, three of them with me. 21:16 Right. That's power. Umm! Umm! And it has a powerful 21:19 appeal to us, so. That's obviously why 21:23 God gave us two parents. Oh! God, this is 21:26 his preferred plan. I think so, I think that a 21:30 two appealing kids, you know, you can always add 21:33 that power, up the power so to speak in the appeal 21:37 process and try to redeem kids. 21:40 And then we come to the final one and that is the 21:43 Church fear, you got in a person saying, no, no, 21:45 I like what I'm doing. I, you know, this, you might think 21:49 it wrong about, think it wrong, I fear with 21:50 the church teachers. That's why you interpreted. 21:52 Yeah. I'm gonna keep on down this way. 21:54 There is nothing wrong with what I'm doing. 21:56 And now the three witnesses also, 22:00 yeah, there is a big problem, and no appeals are working, 22:02 sweet love is not working, doing everything you can 22:06 then you go to the church. Now after what happens here. 22:10 Umm! Umm! Is, that the Church here is 22:13 it and makes the decision. May be they fellowship 22:16 somebody or put them on sin or something to that 22:18 affect or probation or period of graces. 22:21 I would like to call it. Right. But there is often a 22:26 step that's missed. What's that? 22:28 Well, Jesus says this, because right long 22:31 with everything else. He says if they do not 22:34 listen to the church then let they be like a tax gather. 22:39 So there needs to be another step in there. 22:42 Oh! The Church, everyone needs to 22:44 collectively go. Yes. Okay. Everyone now is collectively 22:49 appealing. I see. To this individual. 22:51 So, we are turning up all the power we've got to 22:53 bring this person back. All the voices of love. 22:56 Mummy, daddy, elder brothers, younger one, sisters. 22:59 Everybody is getting in this. And uncles, grandmas. 23:01 That's right. We all say, we can't lose you to precious 23:04 turn away from this, whatever. 23:06 Now, you know, Churches may take different forms, 23:08 I mean it's in delegations. There may not everybody 23:10 get into the, but the Church has a plan to try to, only 23:14 then when they say to the Church, no. Umm! Umm! 23:18 I don't think that I wanna go this way. 23:22 Only then, do you take that step that this fellowships 23:28 are promised. Right. You know, even the 23:30 prodigal son win his way. The story of the prodigal 23:35 son has so many pictures to it, but one picture we 23:41 often don't talk about are the prodigals 23:45 who never come home. Right. I do you believe though, 23:50 that looking at the story of the prodigal son for a moment. 23:55 Let the father has painful it is was for his son to 23:57 leave home. And I think he left home because the 24:00 father was not willing to change. Right. 24:02 The father had the right principles and to change 24:05 the right principles would be destroyed the home 24:07 that would be no home for the prodigal son to come back to. 24:10 But, because of father held firm to his principles and 24:14 even though his child left, he must have broke his heart. 24:16 Right. The fact that he was there faithful to his 24:20 principles, gave an opportunity for the 24:23 prodigal son to come home. Amen. 24:25 So, by being faithful to our principles actually is a 24:28 more powerful insane to bring people home. 24:30 So, when he was out in a pig pens and began a 24:32 member how loving dad was all those good things. 24:35 Right. And it's fascinating that he went home 24:37 repentant prodigal. He is in the home saying, dad, 24:39 okay, I'm back now, and I know you love me, so 24:41 you have made a few changes haven't you 24:43 during the last visit. Absolutely. He came 24:44 home repented. And we often don't talk about that 24:46 aspect of how he fell on his knees before the father. 24:49 That's right. You know, Jay our time 24:51 is running out, you want mother area is covered. 24:54 Well, I know, we need to keep going down here 24:56 just a little bit, I think we are doing okay. 24:57 I won't you make that prodigal son 25:00 for just a moment. Okay. Because again we are 25:02 talking about the process. I want to emphasize this 25:08 point again that some people think that if you actual 25:14 stick to your principles and enact loving Church discipline. 25:18 Right. You are actually run people away. I don't believe 25:21 that Jesus was wrong. I think Jesus was right. 25:24 That if loving Church discipline is actually put 25:27 into process that you will actually see people not 25:31 only stay in the Church, but you will also redeem 25:34 them and even though once that leave will be 25:36 attracted back to the loving community that's there. 25:39 Umm! So Jesus way is something we should trust. 25:43 We must trust Jesus. And he didn't give us, you 25:46 know, Jesus himself gave us this information. Right. 25:49 And yet people just. Don't want to use it. 25:52 They don't' want to use that, that kind of thing. 25:54 Okay. One of the challenges that's happening nowadays 25:59 is that often the Church is, is what should I say, 26:03 unwilling to dress it quickly. People need 26:06 dress things quickly. Don't' let the thing 26:08 roll down the road. Just build. Yeah. 26:10 Yeah. Otherwise it takes a lot, it's a lot harder to 26:14 get people redeem, right, are they may get into 26:16 behavior that's even worse. Right. You know when you start 26:19 seeing it is when it needs to be, to be worked with. 26:25 Well, let's if we recovering everything 26:27 that we want to hear. I mentioned earlier that 26:30 redemptive discipline is not just the minister's matter. 26:32 I will need to emphasis that. It's everybody's. 26:36 Jesus, when he talk at Matthew 18, did not talk 26:38 about just the disciples doing redemptive discipline. 26:43 It's everybody is involved? So we have to 26:44 create both the culture preventative as well as 26:47 being able to bring people back. 26:49 Titus, talks about grandmothers in Israel. 26:52 We need grandfathers in Israel. 26:53 We need family members doing things to help 26:57 people come back. I again come back to your 26:59 interdependence thing for we really all need one 27:02 another in this redemptive process. 27:06 So this fellowshipping is done in the hope that in 27:09 the absence of Church fellowship that the airing 27:12 one might become homesick. Oh, Amen. And come home. 27:17 Amen. That's a good one to put in. 27:19 This fellowshipping is never mean that we treat 27:20 people with disrespect. It is a change in 27:23 the relationship. But, it is never disrespectful. 27:29 It may mean that there are not integrated into 27:31 community anymore. Right. There needs to be sins of 27:34 the difference. Umm! But, they need to know 27:38 that they are still loved and the efforts for them. 27:41 Don't ever stop. Amen. We need to be alert enough. 27:44 Don't need to recognize the warning signs. 27:47 That's right. Thank you brother Gallimore. 27:48 We are gonna talk about forgiveness 27:49 next time, are we? Yes, we are. 27:51 Okay. And I want to thank you for joining us. 27:53 I hope these things are going to be useful in your 27:55 home. Join us again on Thinking about Home. |
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