Sex, it is a
wonderful gift from God,
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but it can
become a terrible curse
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if it's not
entered into responsibly.
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That's our topic next on
the Abortion Controversy.
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Thank you for
tuning in to part 9
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of the 13 part series
call the Abortion Controversy.
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I'm Pastor Steve
Wohlberg, I've been interviewing
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Dianne Wagner
and Antionette Duck.
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They work together for
a ministry called Mafgia
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that is focusing on
helping women and shedding light
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into the abortion and tragedy.
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We've been dealing
with a lot of subjects.
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We've been talking about
women, babies, life and death.
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And our focus in this segment
is "The Sexual Revolution,
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Insights from History."
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So, ladies, it's your
time again to get us started.
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We've talked about this before
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so we got a lot
of ground to cover,
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couple of thousands of years.
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That's right.
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So let's get started.
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Well, you know,
abortion is certainly
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been a part of history
and so what I'll start with,
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I guess it's just a breakdown
first of ancient history.
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Okay.
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The first documented evidence
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of abortion is
1550 B.C. in Egypt.
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The Ebers Papyrus
talked about types of abortion.
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Now, it was 11th century B.C.
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that the Assyrian Code
Assura, yeah, Code of Assura.
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It was the
earliest ban on abortion
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and women would be put to
death if they had an abortion
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without their
husband's permission.
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It was okay if they had
their husband's permission.
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Well, you know, I never
learned any of this in seminary
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is because we never had a class
on abortion in history and so.
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No, well, I can't say I did.
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The ancient Persians,
I thought was interesting
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the priest and the
doctors condemned it.
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They looked at it as
cutting out the roots of life
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and the most
important blessing of God.
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That was fascination.
Good for the Persians.
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Now the Greeks have
the dubious distinction
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of being the first
to demand abortion.
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Any women over the age
of 40 was required to abort
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and their thinking was,
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it was for the
good of the state.
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Now, isn't that
similar to China,
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I mean don't they have
abortion laws where so many--
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Now they did. Yeah, that--
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A one child rule.
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Right, so if you have
more than one child then--
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And women, the women normally
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are targeted very
much for abortion.
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The pressure is
tremendous to abort.
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But within the
Roman Empire initially
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everybody had access
to it, the rich, the poor,
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the slave, the free.
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But by the third century,
it was abortion became a crime,
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but of course
there was no punishment
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as long as the father of
the child said it was okay.
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Now, you mentioned China.
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You know, ancient
China, there was a controversy
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as far as pro and con
but there are confusions
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and the Buddhist and
the majority of the people
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opposed it, they
actually opposed abortion.
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One of their
folklore in, Chinese folklore
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is that 5000 years ago,
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the women would drink
warm mercury to abort,
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so we know it
was there, it was--
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that just grieved me,
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the thought of
drinking warm mercury
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to be that desperate, you know.
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But it's been going
on for a long, long time.
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Yes, it has and then
our American history,
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if you're interested in that.
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I thought that was fascinating.
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I looked into that
and in the early years
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of our American history,
it wasn't so much the laws
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as much as the community
and the religious community
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and what they
would do if a young lady
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found herself pregnant,
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the community would
pressure that young man
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either to marry that
woman and make it right
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or to provide
financially for her.
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But sad to say as
American expanded,
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a lot of the support systems
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for these young
ladies faded, disappeared.
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And so there were some
good things about that,
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the Massachusetts Bay Colony,
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I've been reading about
history of Roger Williams
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and the morality
and the strictness
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and some of the big mistakes
that were made back then
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but it sounds like that
was a good, a good role.
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They recognized
that. They recognized that.
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Man to own up
and marry the woman.
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But as America
did expand, you know,
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women did find
herself in trouble.
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There wasn't the
support system available
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and abortion did get a foothold.
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After that the--
because of that the morality
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of America relaxed
and the social pressure
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became less of a deterrent.
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The social pressure,
the religious community,
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they were the ones
in the very beginning
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that put the pressure on.
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Now, it was interesting
to me that it was actually
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legislation that the
law started being passed
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to against
abortion at that time.
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What time are we talking?
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We're talking early
1800s, early and late 1700s.
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Okay.
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I have heard that in the 1800s
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that the majority of physicians
were against abortion.
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Oh, yeah, in fact I get to that.
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You know, it was fascinating
because the legislation
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had an impact but
the moral relaxation
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had such an
impact that people began
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to defend abortion
in the public, you know,
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it became an issue that
people started accepting.
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That was interesting to me
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because in the
mid 1800s two things
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that really made an
impact on rise in abortion
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was the
explosion of prostitution,
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it became big
commercial industry
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and of course the
abortion industry went on rise.
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And the other one
was the spiritualism.
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You know, in the mid 1800s
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there was a spiritist revolution
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and because of that, yeah,
it had an impact on people.
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People would throw off their--
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The Fox Sisters--
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In that period of
time, and it had an impact,
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it was-- I look at it
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as a sexual mini revolution
then because a lot of people
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threw off restrains
and that had an impact
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of course on the
abortions in this country.
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And they increased.
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And they increased actually.
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What I found also
was that the churches,
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they seem to be
crippled, their voices,
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they didn't make a
statement at this time
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which I thought was
very interesting and sad.
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They had lost their voice.
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I think we're seeing that
today too in a lot of ways.
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And we are unfortunately.
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Their voices
have been lost. Yeah.
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And then, you know, we
had the social pressure
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and the
religious pressure and then
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we had the laws
and then what I thought
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was very fascinating,
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that's when the American
medical associations stood,
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you know, stood, stepped in.
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And they were
the ones who pushed
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for very strict
antiabortion laws.
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They considered it
immoral and dangerous
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which I was very glad
to see you know because--
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Dangerous to the
life of the mother.
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Yeah, it was a
dangerous practice
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but also immoral,
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and I like that that
they looked at it that way.
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So as any
compromise would have it,
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by 1908 it became apparent
that the women in particular,
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they wanted an aggressive,
they wanted their abortion,
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they wanted their
freedom for abortion.
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And the thinking of the day
was the notion of compassion
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shifted from helping
people do what was morally right
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to helping people
do what seemed right.
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For them. That's exactly right.
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And a perfect example
of this is Margaret Sanger.
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Margaret Sanger
is known, you know,
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for coining the
phrase birth control.
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And she is the one who believed
that birth control would be
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the key to a sexual liberation
or a sexual revolution.
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And so where we stand now
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is in 1973 in America
abortion was legalized,
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it was legalized
through Roe v. Wade,
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and there was a companion case
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that went along
with the Doe v. Bolton.
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What Roe said is that
abortion was going to be legal
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through all nine
months of pregnancy.
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In the first
trimester no restrictions,
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in the second
trimester no undue burdens
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could be placed on the
woman to her having an abortion.
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In the third trimester
you could restrict abortion
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but you have to
include an exception
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for the health of the mother.
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Well, on the same
day when Roe is decided,
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Doe v. Bolton, the Supreme Court
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also decided Doe v. Bolton.
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And what Doe said it laid
out a definition of health.
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The court decided that
health was to encompass,
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mental health, emotional
health, socioeconomic health,
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any sort of kind of health
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that could possibly
conceive of could be fit
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into that
definition, and so what--
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Having a good
day is you're healthy
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if you're having a good day.
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Right. Right.
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So any kind of guilt
would be contrary to health.
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Right.
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If, if, well, and
we see that the effect
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that these two
decisions have had have
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open the door to
abortion on demand.
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Now tell me, the
'73 when Roe v. Wade
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wasn't that really
in the wake of specially
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the 60s sexual
revolution of the 60s
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when it really
mounted and so wasn't there,
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was there some kind of pressure
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that was put on the government
to really make this legal
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because now the doors have just
been wide open with the 60s,
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and so you have a lot
of women that are pregnant
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and they want a way out quickly.
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Right.
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Absolutely and
what we see now is that,
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you know, in America we
have over a million abortions
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that are performed every year
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which breaks down to roughly
maybe 1 every 30 seconds,
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it's absolutely phenomenal
the rate of abortion now
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that we see in our own country
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and so it is really fascinating.
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I'm glad you brought that up.
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It'd came on the tail
end of the sexual revolution
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because we see where
we are and people think,
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oh, abortion is only legal
through the first trimester
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or that many aren't
actually being performed
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but actually a
phenomenal number of abortions
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are taking place in our country
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and it's really quite
remarkable to understand
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how we got here, the
mindsets that won't play.
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And it's not just
in our country too
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like we bread from the
stats from how do we say
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the Alan Guttmacher Institute
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which is the research
wing of plan parenthood.
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Yes.
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I believe they quote the
World Health Organization
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saying that the
numbers are getting closer
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to 45 million
per year worldwide.
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That's right.
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Right, so we're
talking about a big issue
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and I do think
it's very significant
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when you just look
at history and deal
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with the abortionist
today then we look at the 60s
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and the rise of just free sex
and then women getting pregnant
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and then that was
connected to the 70s
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and the Roe versus
Wade decision in '73.
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That's right just as
she had said, you know,
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the climax was
these laws being passed,
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so how did we
get there, you know.
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And as it says
insights from history,
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as you understand
history, you can see
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why it would
develop into the explosion
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of the sexual revolution
that we did have in the 60s.
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But earlier in the
1900s and the early 1900s
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many felt like our country
was going through a crisis
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because there were huge numbers
of immigrants coming here
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and the streets were filling up,
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the buildings were filling up
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and people were very
afraid of overpopulation.
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And there were
legitimate concerns,
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so there's one lady
that was very active
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in the early
1900s Margaret Sanger
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that we referred and actually
she was brought up in a family
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where the mother
had, had 11 children,
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she had 7 miscarriages,
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exhausted, and Margaret grew up,
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you know, grew up all
seeing this, in fact even--
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She saw her mom--
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Yeah, and the consequences
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of just one child after another.
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The difficulty in
raising all these kids.
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Exactly.
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In fact even
after she left her home,
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her father called her
back to help with the children
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because her mother
by that time was ill.
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You know, she
had worn herself out.
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So that made a huge impact.
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Well, I can imagine
and we only have two.
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I can imagine having
Margaret's mom has 10.
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That's right.
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She was impacted
by that personally
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in her own home but
then later in her life
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when she became a nurse
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she worked in
the slums of New York
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and she saw a very
legitimate concern.
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There were children being born
every year or year and half.
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Their mothers were exhausted.
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They weren't being
properly taken care of.
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They would end up in
the streets, you know,
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she saw...
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She just saw the deterioration
of women and children, family.
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She had a real burden for that.
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The thing is, it
was her approach on it,
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you know, the best explain
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it would be to read
a few of her thoughts.
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You know, I can imagine
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if the family is organized
and the father is responsible
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that you know,
there are families
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that have a dozen kids.
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And they put all the
kids to work, you know,
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under God's
blessing and leadership,
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it works out great,
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but in other
situations it's very difficult.
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That's good because it's not
so much the size of the family,
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it's who is being
responsible within that family,
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and that's a big key.
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But these were some of
the things she believed.
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She believed that
"Marriage laws did away
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with the freedom of women
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by enforcing upon her a
continuous sexual slavery
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and a compulsory motherhood.''
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Now, these are the roots
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of a sexual
revolution, a storm brewing.
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Yes. This is how she saw it.
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Another quote that
I really want to share
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because it helps you understand
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how we got to the
point of a sexual revolution.
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"The creators of
overpopulation are the women,
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who, producing the
multitudes who will bring about
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the next tragedy
of civilization."
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She saw this as,
you know, huge crisis.
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This one is my last quote.
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"The most merciful
thing that a large family does
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to one of its infant
members is to kill it."
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That's what Margaret thinks.
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This was her
solution to this crisis
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that was brewing
in the early 1900s.
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Now, what's fascinating
is that her rallying cry
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became no God's, no masters.
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Her, the mindset and the mindset
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that really took root
in the sexual revolution
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was that women were
looking for a quality,
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they were looking to
be equal with men finally.
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But they took on
this mindset of no gods,
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no masters,
we're our own masters.
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We want free sex.
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We want free love
and it would lead them
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to make horrible,
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very regrettable decisions
in regard to the unborn.
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And so you have this mindset,
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this thinking and then
there was another woman,
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she was older
than Margaret Sanger,
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she died in 2015.
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1915.
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Oh, yeah, thank you. Sure.
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I know who
you're talking about so.
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1915 and she was Ellen
White who is a godly woman
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and she had a lot of
godly counsel for young ladies.
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And she is the most prolific
woman female writer in history.
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Well, I love her
writings so I can see why.
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But she
confirmed the same problem,
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she saw it before
even Margaret saw it.
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There was a problem
of women having children,
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children, children,
you know, and women,
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their health not
being taking care of.
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She even urges the husbands
to take care of your wives.
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You know, and she even
talked about the sexual use
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that men would
use with no restraint
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of their women and their wives.
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You know, so she
really identified,
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she would talk
about the children,
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you know, that weren't
being properly taken care
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of would become destitute and,
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you know, products that
society would have take care of,
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there's someone else
would have to take the burden,
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so she really came down
hard on the very same problem.
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The thing with her
is that she didn't have
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the mindset of Margaret Sanger.
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Her mindset was
no master but God.
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Amen.
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So it was to the Lord
where she got her strength
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and it was really
wonderful her view on,
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viewpoint on womanhood
because she wanted the women
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to rise to the level
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that the Lord had
intended for them.
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It wasn't the matter of
trying to take the man's role.
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Explore and rise to the power
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that the Lord has
given you as a women.
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The influence that you can
have not just on your family
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but on the community.
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So she was
very, very encouraging
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as far as what women
can do for themselves
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and become without
constantly trying to feel like,
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they got to be a man.
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Right and when
you read her writing,
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she very strongly valued
not only mothers and fathers
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and children but
the prenatal influences
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on the developing
child that she is--
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I've read some
of those statements
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and they're very, very strong.
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That ties in with, you
know, taking care of the women,
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don't have child after
child, you know, keep her health
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because of that baby, you
know, when you get pregnant
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with that baby,
you want to be healthy
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and you want to be
able to not have to be
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so burden with so
many other children
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that you can't
take care of yourself.
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We've talked a little
bit about the parallels
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between ancient
days what happened
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in Israel in the Old
Testament and modern days,
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what's happening when
we look at the big picture.
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Let's explore that little bit?
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Do you want to...?
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Sure.
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You know, what's
really unfortunate about,
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unfortunate in this
comparison is that as a culture,
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as a society, we
didn't really embraced
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the view of Ellen White.
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We really didn't embrace
the views of Margaret Sanger.
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And we see that as a
culture, we have for women
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that freedom is
found through sex.
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If you look at
our entertainment,
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if you look at what we
exalt and what we glorify.
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Freedom has been found through
sex, in sexual exploration.
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It hasn't been found as
a man would find freedom
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typically in
conquering or in overcoming
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or achieving in some way.
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And so for women their identity
has been tied very closely
00:19:31.27\00:19:35.37
to sexual expression
and sexual "liberation."
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We see that with pornography,
the explosion of pornography
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that it truly does degrade women
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because it is so
very much about the self.
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The woman is there simply
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for the
gratification of the man.
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And what has happened
is in claiming my body,
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my choice, I have the
right to have sex in this way,
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I have the right to have
sex the way man have sex,
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no strains, no responsibility.
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It's literally
led to the degradation
00:20:12.54\00:20:14.88
of women as a gender.
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A man can, as we said before,
he can have sex with the women,
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she can become pregnant
and he can utterly reject her
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and just walk away.
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And what's amazing is that
we are calling this freedom.
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It's absolutely phenomenal.
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The second part to this
is the idea of equality.
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Woman says, I'm equal to men,
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I can have sex in
the same way that men do
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because again with
that ability to walk away,
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I was watching a
sort of documentary
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recently called irreplaceable,
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and there was a speaker on there
00:20:50.58\00:20:54.25
who made the most
incredible point about...
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about the fact
that when women decided
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we are equal to men, we
need the same right as men
00:21:02.16\00:21:05.59
and for good reasons
00:21:05.63\00:21:07.20
because women
were being oppressed.
00:21:07.23\00:21:09.00
They were being mistreated
but in trying to grasp
00:21:09.03\00:21:14.30
and attain that
equality, they said,
00:21:14.34\00:21:18.77
"We're going to become like men
00:21:18.81\00:21:21.31
and we're going to get rid
of what makes us different."
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True equality,
it's based on everyone
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being accepted as they are.
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We're all different, we're
not carbon copies of each other,
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but we're all equal.
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What women did in
the sexual revolution
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is they said
we're going to kill off
00:21:38.06\00:21:40.40
what makes us different.
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What made them different?
They could become pregnant.
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They could have children
and so instead of saying,
00:21:45.73\00:21:49.00
instead of demanding
that they were accepted
00:21:49.04\00:21:51.64
despite their
differences, they said,
00:21:51.67\00:21:54.14
"We'll get rid of kill off
our differences to be equal."
00:21:54.21\00:21:58.25
And now we're at a
point where 45 million babies
00:21:58.28\00:22:03.82
around the world are
being aborted, I mean it's--
00:22:03.89\00:22:08.16
So this is where
we've come to which is just,
00:22:08.19\00:22:13.40
it's terrific and I
want to kind of turn
00:22:13.43\00:22:15.83
into the spiritual
direction, there is a verse
00:22:15.86\00:22:19.30
that I have in front of me
from Revolution Chapter 12,
00:22:19.33\00:22:23.81
lets say verse 12
says, "Therefore rejoice,
00:22:23.87\00:22:26.24
O heavens, and
you who dwell in them.
00:22:26.27\00:22:28.38
Woe to the inhabitant
of the earth and the sea,
00:22:28.41\00:22:31.15
for the devil
has come down to you,
00:22:31.18\00:22:33.25
having great wrath,
00:22:33.28\00:22:34.62
because he knows
he has a short time."
00:22:34.65\00:22:36.42
And there is
another verse in John
00:22:36.45\00:22:38.59
where Jesus talks about
00:22:38.62\00:22:39.95
what the devil's
really all about.
00:22:40.02\00:22:42.02
John 10:10, "The thief
does not come except to steal,
00:22:42.06\00:22:45.19
and to kill, and to destroy.
00:22:45.23\00:22:46.96
I have come that
they may have life,
00:22:47.00\00:22:48.56
and have it more abundantly."
00:22:48.60\00:22:50.20
And I just can't help
00:22:50.23\00:22:51.57
but think that in
the light of you know,
00:22:51.60\00:22:54.17
the big picture,
the cosmic controversy
00:22:54.20\00:22:56.30
between God and devil and
if you look at the history
00:22:56.34\00:22:58.17
of all of this
and now the magnitude
00:22:58.21\00:22:59.64
of what's
happening, I just can't help
00:22:59.67\00:23:02.31
but think that
from God's perspective,
00:23:02.34\00:23:05.41
you know, Satan is
really, he is really,
00:23:05.45\00:23:09.18
he is doing a number on us.
00:23:09.22\00:23:10.79
He is doing a
number on humanity.
00:23:10.82\00:23:12.32
He is attacking
women. He is attacking men.
00:23:12.35\00:23:14.32
He is attacking the home.
00:23:14.36\00:23:15.69
He is attacking the family
and he is attacking the babies,
00:23:15.72\00:23:19.09
you know, little
babies that come out
00:23:19.13\00:23:21.60
and the unborn
who haven't come out
00:23:21.63\00:23:23.77
yet the whole thing
is part of Satan's wrath
00:23:23.83\00:23:28.90
against humanity to destroy.
00:23:28.94\00:23:31.17
And God's goal is to restore
to put to make women, women,
00:23:31.21\00:23:36.51
as they are meant to be
and to find the joy of that
00:23:36.54\00:23:39.31
and to make men, men,
that they are meant to be
00:23:39.35\00:23:42.48
and so the children
will grow up in homes
00:23:42.52\00:23:46.22
where they're happy.
00:23:46.25\00:23:47.76
God's plan is being fulfilled.
00:23:47.79\00:23:49.72
And this is all
part of the cosmic,
00:23:49.76\00:23:51.23
it's got to be part
of the cosmic controversy
00:23:51.26\00:23:53.70
between Jesus Christ and Satan,
00:23:53.76\00:23:56.23
that's what the
Bible reveals to us.
00:23:56.26\00:23:58.97
Good and evil.
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Yeah, good and evil.
00:24:00.64\00:24:01.97
That's right and
the battle is intense,
00:24:02.00\00:24:03.41
I mean it's so intense
and you just look at that
00:24:03.44\00:24:06.11
like you said the
sexual revolution,
00:24:06.14\00:24:09.21
you know, and I
know that we don't really
00:24:09.24\00:24:12.75
have a lot of
time to go into this
00:24:12.78\00:24:14.22
but if you look
at the Old Testament,
00:24:14.25\00:24:15.92
one of the things
that the devil got
00:24:15.95\00:24:18.75
the Israelites into was
even sacrificing their children.
00:24:18.79\00:24:22.22
You know, I have a number of--
00:24:22.26\00:24:23.73
I've just done
some reading on this
00:24:23.76\00:24:25.89
and in Deuteronomy 12:31,
00:24:25.93\00:24:29.76
"They were burning
their sons and their daughters
00:24:29.80\00:24:31.87
in the fire to their God's."
00:24:31.90\00:24:34.67
In Ezekiel 16:21 God said,
"You have slain my children."
00:24:34.70\00:24:39.67
And in Leviticus 20:4
he tells the Israelites
00:24:39.71\00:24:42.98
"Don't hide
your eyes from this."
00:24:43.01\00:24:45.58
And you know we
certainly don't want to say
00:24:45.61\00:24:47.98
that every women
that is in crisis
00:24:48.02\00:24:50.75
that is struggling as you
were struggling is therefore,
00:24:50.79\00:24:55.16
you know,
consciously offering her child
00:24:55.19\00:24:57.69
as a sacrifice to
an Old Testament God.
00:24:57.73\00:25:00.63
We certainly
don't want to say that
00:25:00.66\00:25:01.96
because Jesus
loves, He loves us all.
00:25:02.00\00:25:04.93
But I just can't help
but think that there is a--
00:25:04.97\00:25:07.34
there is a parallel between
00:25:07.37\00:25:09.07
what the devil did in
ancient times with Israel
00:25:09.10\00:25:13.41
and then what's happening
now all around the world,
00:25:13.48\00:25:16.68
it's just a-- it's
such a horrible thing,
00:25:16.75\00:25:18.78
and it also reminds
me of a verse in Genesis
00:25:18.81\00:25:22.02
where after Cain
killed Abel that God said
00:25:22.05\00:25:26.39
where's your brother to Cain.
00:25:26.42\00:25:28.12
Where's your brother?
00:25:28.16\00:25:29.49
The voice of your brother's
blood is crying out to me
00:25:29.52\00:25:32.36
from the ground and God must--
00:25:32.39\00:25:34.40
He just must weep, you
know, He weeps over the women,
00:25:34.46\00:25:36.63
He weeps over the men,
He weeps over the babies,
00:25:36.67\00:25:38.80
He weeps over all
of earth's history
00:25:38.83\00:25:40.20
and I just can't
wait until sin is gone
00:25:40.24\00:25:44.27
and all of this is over forever
00:25:44.31\00:25:46.47
and we'll be with Jesus
in the happy place forever.
00:25:46.51\00:25:50.01
That's right.
00:25:50.05\00:25:51.38
As you go down the list,
everything valuable to God,
00:25:51.41\00:25:55.08
the devil is trying to
destroy one way or the other.
00:25:55.12\00:25:59.42
And he is
undermining God's original plan.
00:25:59.45\00:26:02.32
That's right.
00:26:02.36\00:26:03.69
The original plan for
the nobility of a women
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and the nobility of
a man and the happiness
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of having children
and it's just, you know,
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the devil is--
I'm looking forward
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to him being gone forever.
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Yes, me too.
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I really am. Me too.
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Well, we're down at
the end of this segment.
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I'd like to again read
the Bible verse in John 10:10
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where Jesus said that the thief
does not come except to steal,
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and to kill, and to destroy.
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I have come that
they might have life,
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and that they might
have it more abundantly."
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Now, the devil, he is a
killer, he is a destroyer
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and Jesus is a life
giver and he loves us,
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He has given life to us.
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He gives life to the unborn
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through the
miracle of conception
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and then eventually birth
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and God's plan is the best plan.
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And if we strayed
away from that plan,
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no matter what we've
done, we need to know
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that the devil is the bad
guy and that God is the good guy
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if you want to say it
that way, and that He loves us,
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and He only wants life for us.
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He wants goodness
and internal happiness,
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so may God help us
to follow His plan,
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it's for our own good.
00:27:19.73\00:27:22.47
Steve Wohlberg's
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