Who are you and
why are you here?
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Are you just the
product of some big bang?
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Did you evolve from cosmic goop?
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Or are you a person of
unimaginable significance?
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You'll find out next on
"The Abortion Controversy"
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Welcome to Part 4 of a
special 13-Part series called,
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"The Abortion Controversy"
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Today's segment is called,
"Created With Significance"
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My guests are
two fabulous ladies,
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Antionette Duck
and Dianne Wagoner
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who have teamed up together
in a special ministry called,
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"Mafgia" and they
are doing a lot of good.
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They're helping a lot of people.
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In the first two
programs, I interviewed them,
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and Dianne told an amazing
story of how many years ago,
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she had two abortions and
it just about ruined her life.
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She finally discovered the love
and the grace and the goodness
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and the mercy of God and
it has changed her completely,
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and Antionette has told her
story quite a bit different,
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but she was
almost aborted as a baby,
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but her mother changed her mind,
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and so she's here today as well.
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Today, we're going to go
deeper and look like a submarine
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going down under the
water at the issue of
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who we are and our significance.
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So, ladies, thank
you again for being here.
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It's just great
to have you here.
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I am a learner and
so, I'm here to listen.
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So, where do
you want to start...
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with created for significance?
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When we're talking about
abortion and human value,
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some tend to focus on
the value of the unborn
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and the rightness and
wrongness of abortion...
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And, some tend to focus
on the crisis of the woman
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who is in crisis
and her circumstances.
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For us, the issue
isn't just about the unborn
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and the rightness and wrongness,
and it's not just about
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the crisis of circumstance...
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This issue is really
about restoring value.
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We've forgotten what it means
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to be made in the
image of the Lord.
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I wanted to share a couple
of texts with you, if I could...
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I've got my Bible here too so...
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It's Genesis 1:27 that God
created man in His own image;
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in the image of God He
created Him, male and female
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He created them.
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And then down in Ephesians,
it shows his workmanship
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which I love, Ephesians 2:10.
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I've been thinking
about that verse recently.
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It's an awesome text, it is.
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We are God's workmanship
created in Jesus Christ
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to do good works which God
prepared for us in advance.
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Now that's just
such a beautiful thought,
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and I have one other
quote I wanted to share
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that a very special author
that I like a lot has said,
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and it's, "Men are so
intent on excluding God
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from the
sovereignty of the universe,
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that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity
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of his origin.
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When the Lord came down
to crown His glorious work,
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He did not fail to
create a being worthy of the
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hand that gave him life."
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I believe that mankind
has lost our self worth
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because we've lost
sight of who gave it to us.
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Right, our Creator...
Well of course, the whole
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evolution/creation controversy.
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I mean, a lot of
people think that we just...
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somehow there was a
bang and as millions of years
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went by, somebody
said, "Well, how did the
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cells know to go
female and male?"
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I mean that's a
mysterious question from
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an evolutionary
perspective, but, of course,
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we don't believe in evolution;
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we believe in creation.
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And we're Christians,
we believe in the Book,
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the Bible and so this is
a good place to start with.
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The foundations, where
did we come from, who are we?
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What does the Book say?
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Well, and so we see that it
was established at creation,
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and then, when the Lord came
to die to set His people free,
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it was affirmed forever more.
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God literally gave His
own life to buy us back,
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and, you know, a text that
everyone is so familiar with,
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John 3:16, "For God so loved
the world that He literally gave
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His only begotten son
that whosoever believes in Him,
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should not perish, but
have everlasting life."
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So that means the
infinite God became finite,
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and the
boundless god became bound.
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Is it possible that we've
heard it so often that we've
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completely forgotten
the significance of it.
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In Isaiah 50:6-7, it
says, "I gave my back to those
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who struck Me and
My cheeks to those who
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plucked out the beard; I
did not hide My face from
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shame and spitting, for
the Lord God will help Me;
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therefore, I
will not be disgraced;
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therefore, I have set
My face like a flint."
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And in Hebrews 12:2,
we're told, "For the joy that
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was set before Him,
He endured the cross,
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despising the shame."
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He literally suffered
incredible humiliation for us,
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and it was
literally for the joy for us,
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and our reconciliation to
Him that He endured the cross,
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and He despised the shame.
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So, why is it
necessary to go through that...
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to emphasize our value
at creation and the value
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that was affirmed at the cross?
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Because through these
acts, through creation,
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through the cross, the
Lord literally established
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Himself as the unshakable
standard that defines our worth.
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We possess intrinsic value,
and I love the way, Dianne,
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that you define
this intrinsic value.
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Oh, we were talking about this.
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I had never looked at the
word "intrinsic value" before,
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until I heard
Antionette talk about it.
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And, this is the
way I summed it up...
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"It was not
something we've earned;
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it was not something
we have achieved in life,
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and it's not
something that we prove."
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You know, so many times
people desperately try to
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prove their worth...
which is the case in a lot of
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post-abortive women.
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You know, because of
the shame, they try to prove
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themselves and that can
create that vicious cycle
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of this sadness
that they exist under.
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And, it's only when we
realize that this value,
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this intrinsic value is
something that was placed on us,
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and that just made such
a huge impact on my life.
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I'm convinced a lot of
people, whether they're pregnant
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in a bad situation, a
lot of their decision-making
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is based on their self-value.
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I know you've heard
stories where people have
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had a pregnancy, but
had aborted it because
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they didn't want
anybody to know...
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Or parents have ushered
their kids into abortion clinics
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because they didn't
want anybody to know...
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And so much of it has
to do with status or worth,
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or what people will think.
And people are embarrassed.
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Yes, unfortunately... exactly!
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We place our value on
what another man thinks
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or what he will
think, or she will think
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if they find
this out about me...
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which is so very sad because it
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impacts every area of our life.
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So you said that
when you discovered,
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in your intrinsic
value, that it really
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made a difference to you.
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Oh absolutely, and you
know, that was the beforehand,
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the impact of not
knowing our intrinsic value.
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And did you discover
that, just by reading the Bible?
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Did you get it from...
Did you talk to Antionette?
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What happened that
caused the lights to go on,
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and you just went,
"Wow God, You made me,
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and I'm valuable to You."
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Well, I'm one who really
believes in spending time
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with the Lord every day and
getting acquainted with the Lord
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... But I had never really
thought of the intrinsic value
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issue until I heard her talking
about it once at a seminar.
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And it just was my paradigm
shift, it was a paradigm shift.
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And it was like...
My experience being
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post-abortive, I
tried to prove myself...
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You know, I tried to
earn people's respect,
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or earn my self-respect, I
was just grasping for that,
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but when I heard
Antionette talk about it,
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and I started
really contemplating it,
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and praying about it,
and the more I embraced
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that thought, it
just... it broke my heart
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because it made me realize
just how important we are.
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It makes an impact on
how we look at each other,
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and it makes an impact on
how we look at the unborn.
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Every creation, you
know, and the special blessing
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of being in the image of God;
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you know, all of a
sudden, it just takes on a
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whole new meaning - it
really made a huge impact on me.
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Wow, Antionette, I'm
assuming that there was a moment
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or a time in the past where
that revelation dawned on you
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as well... can you fill us
in a little bit about that?
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I think it's happened over time.
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It's happened in being in
relationship with the Lord,
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and especially coming
to... as certainly I've sought
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to understand His
heart on this issue...
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That we bear intrinsic
value and eternal significance,
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and that it's a value and
a significance that no one
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and nothing can destroy,
and a value isn't based on
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what we do or
achieve or possess.
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It's based solely on
the fact that we're made
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in the image of the Lord and in
seeking His heart on it really.
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This is what is true of us;
it's borne out in Scripture.
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In Romans 11:29, for
instance, it says that:
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"The calling and election
of the Lord are irrevocable."
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That's phenomenal
because for every single
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person who has ever
been born, ever to walk
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the face of the earth...
the calling and election of the
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Lord on their lives
- it's irrevocable...
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He's never
going to take it back.
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That means we
were born with purpose;
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we were created with destiny...
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And it's a purpose and a
destiny that we alone can fill.
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That is how valuable we are.
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It's absolutely
mind-boggling if we will allow
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the truth of that to sink in,
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and will dare to
believe that it's really true.
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So when it comes to the
whole abortion issue with
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like you mentioned,
whether it's right or wrong,
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and the crisis that a
woman goes through and then
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the post-abortion trauma
and all of that struggle,
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I mean, all of these
things are very real issues
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that we'll continue to explore,
but you see the value issue
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as an underlying issue that
affects all the other issues,
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is that right? Absolutely!
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The Lord truly is as
He has said in His Word,
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...You were made in My
image, thus, you are valuable.
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He really is the unshakable
standard that defines our worth,
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and He invites us to build our
lives to interact with the world
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on the foundation of
who He has said that we are.
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He really is the
standard that cannot be shaken,
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and that's a very
humbling concept because we
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are used to, as Dianne
mentioned, as I certainly have
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experienced in my own
life, grasping and striving
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to prove our value, our
significance, our worth.
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It's very humbling to say,
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"I'm valuable solely
because I'm made in the image
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of the Lord and that's it."
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I don't bring anything
to the table that makes me
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more valuable
ultimately; not at conception,
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not at birth, not in the middle
of life, not at the end of life.
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The Lord is truly the
only one that defines my value.
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It is humbling for us as people.
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So, it's not
based on my job. NO!
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It's not based on
how good I am. Right
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It's not based on even how
bad I've been. Absolutely not.
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It's based on who God is
and who He made me to be. Yes
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And even though I mess
up and we certainly do need
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His forgiveness, there is
still the underlying sense
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that God sees me as important
enough to spend time with me,
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and He loves me and in
spite of the fact that I've
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messed up, we
have hope. Right? Yes
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It's a hope issue
and a purpose issue,
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and of course I want
to ask in a little bit,
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you know, well the significance
... what is that for?
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What's the goal?
What's the purpose?
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But anyway, you looked like
you were about to say something.
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Well with what you were
saying, it made me, and I have
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talked to Antionette about
this, when you realize that,
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you can rest... Me
personally, it was like
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I experienced... it's
like silence where you really
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could sit back and
rest - because it's what has
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been given you - this treasure,
this jewel, you know, pearl,
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greater than - you
know - without price on it.
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When we realize that,
then we are able to rest,
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and then when we stand
up, we're doing it for the
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glory of the Lord, not
for some "trying to gain,"
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like we've
talked about "Our worth"
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or impress somebody,
you know, try to prove that,
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"Yes, I am worthy."
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And so to me, it
just was life-changing
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because the sweet rest...
you know, the Lord tells us
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to be still - we're
always clamoring and racing
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and trying to
achieve... We're too busy! YES!
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Especially today, especially
with cell phones and texting
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computer and
internet, and emails.
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I mean, I just came back
from a vacation with my wife
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and my kids and I
had to resolutely not
00:14:19.25\00:14:22.52
bring my laptop -
which my wife was thrilled.
00:14:22.56\00:14:25.73
I actually went through security
on the way to our vacation
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at an airport and I
reached into my satchel
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to grab my laptop
out, and it wasn't there.
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And I had this panic -
"Oh NO," I've lost my laptop.
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or where is it,"
and then I realized,
00:14:40.24\00:14:41.74
"wait a minute, I didn't
bring it - it's vacation time."
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Right! And I
turned my cell phone
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off too, so I
could just disconnect,
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and I think, you
know, we need to disconnect,
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we need to be
still, we need to think...
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Why am I here, who made me,
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I know that this verse,
really is foundational to
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what you're
saying is Genesis 1:27,
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"So God created
man in His own image,
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in the image of
God, He created him male
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and female He created them."
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That's our foundation
of where we came from.
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That's why I had to
share that text earlier
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because it's where
it starts. Absolutely
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And if we will humble ourselves
to the Lord's standard,
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if we will yield and
say, we're valuable solely
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because we are make in
Your image and that's it,
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we will truly stand in glory.
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We will find the value,
the purpose, the significance
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that we're seeking, if
we will humble ourselves
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and stand on His standard alone
as the One that defines us.
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The problem as we
discussed some already,
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is when we don't
understand this truth,
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and so instead of
embracing the Lord's standard,
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we create our own
standard and we decide to
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re-define who
and what is valuable.
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So, to make it
practical, let's say you have a
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17-year-old girl and
her home is dysfunctional,
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she has all kinds of
problems, she starts drinking...
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She meets a guy, she
goes out, she gets pregnant.
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She realizes she's
pregnant and then she tempted
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to have an abortion
which, from what I've studied
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and I'm sure you could fill in
more details that the majority
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of pregnancies are young girls,
right?... 18 to 24 years old
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18 to 24- - So this
issue, how will that affect her
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if she is contemplating...
"I'm not ready to have a
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baby and I'm not even
married; my home is a mess;
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I'm trying to get into school"
and now she is struggling
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with a new life inside of her.
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How does the value
issue affect her if she
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understands it or
doesn't understand it?
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Well I think the value...
my first thought was this,
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if she is 17 and still living
at home, her mother - if she
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shares this with her mother,
is going to have a huge impact
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on where she goes because if
her mother understands the value
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first of all of herself and
then the value of that daughter,
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and then the value of that baby
that's growing in her daughter
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... you know, put aside
the other prejudices and the
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other "Oh-no's" and
who is going to think what,
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but if she truly has
an understanding of the
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value of life and
where it stems from,
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there's going to come...
it's like she will be there
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for her daughter and she
will be able - in many, many
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cases this is the truth,
she'll give that daughter
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courage that this is
something they can face;
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that this is a
precious little life.
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And even if she decides
to give this precious little
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life to someone else to
raise, to rear and provide for,
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that will never lose
the value of this child,
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you know, the unborn child.
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And by doing this, Steve,
even if there is rocky road,
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rough times - it's a hard
time, it's a difficult time,
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she is giving her
daughter, her pregnant daughter,
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dignity and that dignity
will go with that daughter
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the rest of her life.
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There are so many
women, continuous stories,
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of a teenage daughter who
was taken to an abortion clinic
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to get rid of a baby.
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Now obviously, the
baby has no value...
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the baby is an embarrassment
or something in the way
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or an expense... to
the mother at that time.
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You know, they're not saying
really, but just their thinking.
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Perception... exactly.
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But to that daughter...
It's just a thing, like you said
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... the lady said to you,
"It's just a fuzz ball." Right
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Just something in the
way that we can deal with
00:18:53.33\00:18:55.16
as far as that mindset.
00:18:55.20\00:18:56.80
But that daughter is
going to live with dignity.
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Now, right away, it may
be a trauma and it may be
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an upset, but 20-
10 years from now,
00:19:03.77\00:19:06.51
she won't have the
shame of doing something,
00:19:06.54\00:19:09.08
taking a life with value.
00:19:09.11\00:19:10.98
That mother is giving
her teenage daughter dignity.
00:19:11.01\00:19:15.38
It's not the end of the
world all because your pregnant.
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It's unfortunate, but we can
get past this, that's a prize.
00:19:18.52\00:19:22.72
So for you, when
you told your story,
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how old were you
when you first discovered
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that you were pregnant?
Oh I was 25, I was older.
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You were engaged and you were
6 months away from your wedding,
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something like that...
Yes and then you messed up
00:19:32.10\00:19:34.04
one time and then you
realized you were pregnant,
00:19:34.07\00:19:36.10
but you were thinking all
those other thoughts - right
00:19:36.14\00:19:39.24
about the embarrassment
and how can I tell my grandma,
00:19:39.27\00:19:41.44
and my family, and my Christian
friends, and what do I do,
00:19:41.48\00:19:46.41
plus the x-ray issue
that you had an x-ray,
00:19:46.45\00:19:48.75
and you were getting
advice from physicians that
00:19:48.78\00:19:52.19
you really should go
through with an abortion...
00:19:52.22\00:19:54.36
So, if you would have understood
the value issue more clearly,
00:19:54.39\00:19:58.79
how would that have
affected you at that time?
00:19:58.83\00:20:00.80
It would have made a huge...
00:20:00.83\00:20:02.16
First of all, I wouldn't
have been as concerned about
00:20:02.20\00:20:06.33
what this person
will think or that person,
00:20:06.37\00:20:09.60
because I don't get
my self-value from them.
00:20:09.64\00:20:12.17
My self-value
comes from the Lord...
00:20:12.21\00:20:14.54
So that right there... that
was, more so than the x-rays
00:20:14.58\00:20:18.15
and the physicians
and what they told me...
00:20:18.18\00:20:20.25
you know, I could go through
life saying, "Well I had the
00:20:20.45\00:20:23.05
abortion because the baby
could have had these problems
00:20:23.08\00:20:25.42
because of these x-rays.
00:20:25.45\00:20:27.22
But when I'm honest with myself,
that wasn't why I had it.
00:20:27.26\00:20:31.59
I was concerned about all these
other people what they would
00:20:31.63\00:20:34.56
think. You were thinking
about how it was going to look.
00:20:34.60\00:20:38.43
So that shows you my self
worth, my value - so much of it
00:20:38.47\00:20:42.30
was based on
other people's opinions,
00:20:42.34\00:20:45.31
and unfortunately,
people's silence on this issue
00:20:45.34\00:20:49.74
has thrown women, that do
get into this kind of crisis,
00:20:49.78\00:20:53.18
right into that mindset.
00:20:53.21\00:20:55.68
We don't value each other,
00:20:56.58\00:20:58.85
and if we don't value each other
like adults here, you and me,
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Antionette, how are we
going to grasp the value of
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a child that can't even be seen?
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Okay, I got it, so
you're saying that if we really
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understand God and His
plan and why He made us,
00:21:12.27\00:21:17.87
and that we're important
to Him, whether we're grownups
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or whether we're just
starting out inside the body,
00:21:21.08\00:21:26.21
inside a woman's
womb, that we are still...
00:21:26.25\00:21:29.18
that the value issue - once
we know the purpose of life,
00:21:29.22\00:21:32.69
then that will affect
our choices... Absolutely
00:21:32.72\00:21:35.62
And, I mean, we need to
understand that so that we
00:21:35.66\00:21:37.63
don't get ourselves into those
situations in the first place,
00:21:37.66\00:21:40.60
and we'll deal with that
more later on in other programs,
00:21:40.63\00:21:43.13
but it's a spiral, isn't it?
00:21:43.16\00:21:45.20
We're caught, we're in a rut,
we're in a chaotic situation,
00:21:45.23\00:21:50.21
and just the simplest thing
to do is just make it all better
00:21:50.24\00:21:55.38
so that we can not
deal with this anymore -
00:21:55.41\00:21:57.58
but the reality is it
doesn't work like you've told us
00:21:57.61\00:22:00.08
your story... it's
just the guilt is there
00:22:00.12\00:22:03.18
and it's very traumatic.
00:22:03.22\00:22:04.85
So now we're coming
back to the foundation issue
00:22:04.89\00:22:07.22
that will hopefully
help people to realize that
00:22:07.26\00:22:09.32
if I'm valuable, you're valuable
and then what's inside me,
00:22:09.36\00:22:13.36
or not me because
I'm a guy, but you know,
00:22:13.40\00:22:16.20
a woman would think
that, what's inside of a woman
00:22:16.23\00:22:19.63
is something precious
in the sight of the Lord,
00:22:19.67\00:22:23.44
and He has created this person.
00:22:23.47\00:22:27.18
But she too is precious;
I really think that the idea
00:22:27.21\00:22:31.91
that we're not valuable and
not understanding our value,
00:22:31.95\00:22:34.92
it is rampant among
thousands upon thousands,
00:22:34.95\00:22:39.25
millions of people who
don't understand because we've
00:22:39.29\00:22:42.22
rejected the image of the
Lord as defining our value,
00:22:42.26\00:22:46.53
and we see that happening.
00:22:46.56\00:22:51.00
I love Dianne's illustration
because it addresses it
00:22:51.03\00:22:53.84
from both aspects;
from the woman herself,
00:22:53.87\00:22:56.34
but also of the unborn child.
00:22:56.37\00:22:58.34
And, are we willing to
be honest with ourselves
00:22:58.37\00:23:01.71
about when that
value really does begin
00:23:01.74\00:23:04.85
because I think a lot of
people would hear this and say,
00:23:04.88\00:23:06.72
"Well of course
human beings are valuable."
00:23:06.75\00:23:09.28
But the question is,
"When does it begin?"
00:23:09.32\00:23:11.32
Does that value
begin at the very beginning
00:23:11.35\00:23:13.62
when the Lord
put His stamp on us?
00:23:13.66\00:23:16.02
Are we willing to be
honest about the fact that
00:23:16.06\00:23:18.56
if it doesn't
begin at our beginning,
00:23:18.59\00:23:21.80
what are the
consequences of that?
00:23:21.83\00:23:24.73
Does that mean that, as
we've discussed already,
00:23:24.77\00:23:28.54
our value then will
become based on what we do,
00:23:28.57\00:23:31.04
what we
achieve, what we possess.
00:23:31.07\00:23:33.41
It's a mindset that
from the very beginning
00:23:33.44\00:23:37.21
you're valuable because you're
made in the image of the Lord,
00:23:37.25\00:23:39.31
and it defines you
for the rest of your life.
00:23:39.35\00:23:42.08
And so, instead of just thinking
this person - what are they
00:23:42.12\00:23:44.69
going to say - my
job, am I ready for this,
00:23:44.72\00:23:47.46
I'm not married and
all these other thoughts
00:23:47.49\00:23:49.86
we start thinking
instead of this way,
00:23:49.89\00:23:51.29
we're thinking -
that way and who am I,
00:23:51.33\00:23:54.46
even though I've
messed up, and who is this
00:23:54.50\00:23:57.27
now that's
inside that's growing.
00:23:57.30\00:23:59.93
And so we have a whole
different paradigm shift...
00:23:59.97\00:24:02.74
it reminds me of a
Bible verse that says,
00:24:02.77\00:24:04.47
"In His light
shall we see light,"
00:24:04.51\00:24:07.81
but we don't
typically... we just don't know,
00:24:07.84\00:24:10.45
we don't get it,
right? We just don't get it,
00:24:10.48\00:24:13.18
until we start thinking
and reading and realizing
00:24:13.21\00:24:15.92
"Wow God, I'm here
because You made me,
00:24:15.95\00:24:19.05
and I'm here for a
reason, and if I have a new life
00:24:19.09\00:24:21.36
inside me that's
part of Your plan."
00:24:21.39\00:24:23.93
Right? Isn't that it?
That's the idea that the new
00:24:23.96\00:24:27.13
life inside me is
because of God and He has a plan
00:24:27.16\00:24:30.07
for that new life. Absolutely!
00:24:30.10\00:24:33.44
And will we, as believers,
be willing to be honest
00:24:33.47\00:24:36.07
enough with ourselves
to say, "We are made in the
00:24:36.10\00:24:39.24
image of the Lord and
that defines our value."
00:24:39.27\00:24:42.04
And to not look
for other avenues that
00:24:42.08\00:24:47.75
define our value because
we're not willing to be honest
00:24:47.78\00:24:50.65
about this issue that
we would truly embrace
00:24:50.69\00:24:53.76
the value and the significance
of the unborn of the woman
00:24:53.79\00:24:56.83
as a complete
package because the Lord
00:24:56.86\00:24:59.76
is Creator of them both.
00:24:59.79\00:25:02.13
Wow, that's powerful
and it's in God's Word.
00:25:02.16\00:25:06.03
We have a little bit of
time, any other quick thoughts
00:25:06.07\00:25:08.17
before I point to
another Bible verse?
00:25:08.20\00:25:11.07
We've got about 2 minutes...
00:25:11.11\00:25:13.31
Well, I do think if we
reject the image of the Lord,
00:25:13.34\00:25:19.18
for us to understand
that we really are striking
00:25:19.21\00:25:23.15
down the
standard that defines us.
00:25:23.18\00:25:26.15
Again, we've said
that over and over,
00:25:26.19\00:25:27.79
"the image of the
Lord is the standard."
00:25:27.82\00:25:29.69
But if we choose to
reject that, as I've done,
00:25:29.72\00:25:32.39
as Dianne has done, I
think as so many people
00:25:32.43\00:25:34.53
have done when we
wandered away from the Lord,
00:25:34.56\00:25:36.67
as saying, "You are the
standard that defines me,"
00:25:36.70\00:25:39.10
if we reject that, who
then becomes the standard?
00:25:39.13\00:25:42.44
We become the
standard, man does.
00:25:42.47\00:25:44.94
The problem is, the value
then that was once absolute
00:25:44.97\00:25:50.15
it becomes unattainable
because we're grasping,
00:25:50.18\00:25:53.21
and we're striving and
we're never rested and settled
00:25:53.25\00:25:56.58
in the fact that the
Lord and the Lord, alone,
00:25:56.62\00:25:59.29
defines our value.
00:25:59.32\00:26:00.66
And that we don't make decisions
based on His will for our lives.
00:26:00.69\00:26:04.16
We get all messed up.
00:26:04.19\00:26:05.53
I want to share a Bible
verse that's very powerful...
00:26:05.56\00:26:09.50
It's in the book
of Jeremiah 1:4-5
00:26:09.53\00:26:13.40
It says, "Then the
word of the Lord came to me
00:26:13.44\00:26:16.71
and it said, "Before I formed
you in the womb, I knew you."
00:26:16.74\00:26:23.14
And this doesn't just apply
to Jeremiah, it applies to you.
00:26:23.18\00:26:27.15
Before you were
formed, God knew you,
00:26:27.18\00:26:30.55
He formed you in the
womb, He has a plan for you,
00:26:30.59\00:26:33.25
He created you and His
plan is beyond anything
00:26:33.29\00:26:38.36
that we can ever understand
without looking to Him.
00:26:38.39\00:26:43.40
We're made in His image,
He wants to teach us how to
00:26:43.43\00:26:46.07
reveal that image, how
to show His love, His grace,
00:26:46.10\00:26:50.31
and His compassion
to others around us,
00:26:50.34\00:26:52.07
and to realize that
not only did He create us,
00:26:52.11\00:26:54.68
but He sent His own
Son to give His life for us
00:26:54.71\00:26:58.75
and that shows us how
important we are to Him.
00:26:58.78\00:27:02.52
And, He wants you to know that
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00:27:02.55\00:27:07.72
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