Hello. I'm Karen
Pearson and I'm here again today
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with my co-host Pierre Quinn.
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Hi, Pierre. Hey, Karen.
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And are here to bring you
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another episode of
Stones of Remembrance.
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The program where we
visit and chat with one of your
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favorite authors and look at
some of their life experiences
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that have helped to shape them
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and the message that
we find in their books.
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So often as we pause
through life's deep waters,
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just as Joshua
did, we can across some
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unexpected
blessings that will determine
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the future
direction of our lives.
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But before I
introduce you today's guest,
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I'd like to share something
with you from God's word.
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It's found in Habakkuk 2:2.
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"Then the Lord
answered me and said,
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'Record the
vision and make it plain
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that the one who
reads it may run.'"
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I'd like to welcome Seth
Pierce to our program today.
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Hi, Seth. Hi.
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Thank you for joining
us. Thank you for having me.
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We're so glad that
you're with us today.
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Seth, you are the head pastor
in a church in Washington.
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Correct.
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Tell us a little
bit more about yourself.
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Where did you
study, what do you have?
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I studied at Union College.
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I did my
undergraduate degree there,
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and then I interned
pastor for two years
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in Wichita,
Kansas, went to seminary,
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did the Master of
Divinity up there.
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Came back to
under Omaha and pastored
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for three and a half
years and then by that time,
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you know, my wife and I had
three children and life was--
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oh, we had two
children and life was very full
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and then we received a
call to go to Washington
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where we had our third
child and now pastoring.
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It's been almost
four years out there.
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That, that's awesome. Thank you.
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Um, you are an author.
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Um, Pacific Press
has published your books.
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I think you've had a devotional
published as well too.
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Yes. How many books?
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About ten? Nine or ten.
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Nine or ten
books under your belt.
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Pretty good.
It's getting up there.
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It's getting up
there. That's pretty good.
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And um, I think probably what
you are best known for, Seth,
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is writing for
children and for young people.
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That is a special
gift, a special calling.
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Yeah, yeah.
It's, it's interesting.
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I never started
out wanting to write
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specifically for
children or youth.
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Just...
opportunities sort of showed up.
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I remember being in
seminary, in my last semester
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and receiving a
call from Pacific Press.
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They had read book
which was Review and Herald
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called "Pride and Seek,"
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which is where my
story book growing up,
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an Adventist preacher's
kid and becoming Pentecostal
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and coming back to
the Adventist Church.
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And the, one of
the editors' children
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liked the book a
lot and wanted me to uh,
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write a book on the fundamental
beliefs and initially,
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it was a supposed to
be 500 words per chapter
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and I had to think about it
about six months to write it.
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I thought, great,
it's a good opportunity
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and then as time
went on, I found out that
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I had only two
months to write it
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and the chapters
needed to be much longer.
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So they increased the length
and shortened the deadline.
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And by God's grace,
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I wrote the book in
two and a half months.
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Um, just tried to keep it simple
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and write for an audience
as if they had never picked up
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scripture before and that book
not only sold well among youth,
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but also young
adults, and even adults.
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And since then it
has been published
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in other languages and...
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And what was that book?
"What We Believe for Teens."
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"What We Believe for
Teens." Yes, I know that.
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That went on to
become a bestseller.
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Yes.
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I have a friend too,
who lives in South Africa,
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and I was chatting with
her on the phone one day
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and we were speaking about
that book and she said to me,
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"Karen, we use that book
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in our adult Bible
study group at church,
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our baptismal class."
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Yeah. And she
said it is phenomenal.
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So, you know, as a writer,
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you write what
God calls you to write
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and you leave it with Him
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and He just does
magnificent things with it.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's fun to watch
and to hear the stories
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or letters or
emails that come in
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'cause you have no
idea when you're writing.
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You kind of get in
the middle of a project,
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you think is this, does
this even make any sense?
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They won't even
like this at all.
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Maybe my mom will buy a
copy, maybe that's about it.
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And then you start
receiving feedback this way,
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positive or read this at my
baptismal class or you know,
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I read this book,
you know, every year.
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One of the coolest compliments
I get is from parents who say,
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"My kid has slept with that book
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and the pages are dog
eared and we almost need
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to buy another copy
because it's so roughly.
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They keep re-reading it,
that's pretty amazing to hear.
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As you are working though
the major script for this book,
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what were some
things in your mind about
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how young people struggle
with articulating their faith
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that you were
able to bring out in
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"What We Believe for Teens?"
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I think, not shying
away from the hard questions.
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You know, you don't want to get,
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you don't want to get
sidetracked but I think
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trying to get the big
picture, I think that's,
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that's the biggest thing.
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I think Adventists are
prolific producers of text.
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You know, we buy
an awful lot material
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and can we write intellectual
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cerebral with a lot of stuff
and it's easy to drown in that.
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You know, and sometimes,
you know, as a cliche, it goes,
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"You can't see the
forest for the trees."
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And so really reminding myself
as I want to do that project.
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It's a big picture, big picture.
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Lots of stories, you
know, and connecting it to
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everyday life and um, and again,
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it's been an
amazing thing to watch.
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Not only kids connect with
it, but to hear about adults
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are reading it,
um, yeah, it's been,
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it's been an
interesting journey to watch
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the life of the book and
how it's impacted people.
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'Cause the truth is, no
matter how we get there,
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there's still a part of
us that longs to be a kid
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and see things
through a kid's eyes.
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Yeah, that's great.
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Seth, you also wrote the
Peter Paul Pappenfuss series,
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which was a real
character of a kid.
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So I have to ask
you this question,
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what were you like at that age?
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Yeah, that's the biggest
question I get from those books
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'cause it's not
about you, you know,
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I had people who
knew me as a kid.
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I think this character is
this person, is it that person?
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And I have to tell them,
"Oh, it's sort of based on
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a compilation of several
real people and real instances
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that's woven into a fictional
narrative but rings true,
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you know, with
life and it's, you know,
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it features of
preacher's kid in fifth grade,
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it's sort of a
first person narrative.
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And one of the books that
influenced the tone of the book
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when I was growing up
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and developing a
passion for reading.
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I love Judy Blume's books,
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'Tales of a
Fourth Grade Nothing',
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you know, things
like that which--
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it's a first person perspective
of a fourth grade boy
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who has a little
brother and that was me
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and so I really
identified with the,
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just the silly
antics that happened with,
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when you were a kid and...
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The real-life stuff.
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Yeah, the
real-life stuff, and so um,
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when I was working on those
books and conceptualizing them,
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I noticed that in the
Adventist publishing world
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there wasn't a lot
of books for young boys,
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lot of Adventist girl stories
and horror stories but nothing,
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you know, that boy 10 to 12
or 13 can really connect with,
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and so I
thought I would try this
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and because I grew
as a preacher's kid
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and knew some of the
struggles and challenges,
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or try to make it
as real as possible
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and keep the
humor, you know, in there.
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And the response was
pretty amazing and diverse too.
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Kids really liked it.
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There were some
concerned adults about it.
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You know, they
thought maybe this character
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is a little too
rough around the edges
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and one of the
guiding philosophies
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while I was working on the book,
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if you look at
Ellen White growing up,
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and the books that she read
in the Methodist church library,
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they feature
these flawless children,
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and one of the things that
led to her spiritual depression
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as a kid is reading
these stories that I can,
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I can never be like these kids
and it was an incredible source
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of discouragement for her.
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And so, I wanted
to keep the kids real
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and tell it a bit slower,
character arc, where they,
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you know, they are
better by the end of the book
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but they are not perfect yet,
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they are still
rustling with the issues of life
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and it's been amazing
to have pastoral families.
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So, I thank you
so much making our,
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the pastoral family look normal
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and really sharing
the struggles, you know,
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we have and it means a
lot to our kids and stuff,
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that's been pretty cool to see.
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That is
awesome, that is awesome.
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Thank you, Seth.
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Um, a lot of our viewers
are parents and grandparents
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and I think one of the things
I appreciate in your books
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is your underlying
passion that comes through
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for helping kids to
connect them with Jesus.
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Um,
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where did you first encounter
Jesus in your own life?
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I think it's a
series of encounters.
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Um, obviously
growing up as a pastor's kid,
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you are exposed, you know,
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to a lot of opportunities
to connect with Jesus.
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I was baptized when I was 11
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and I had a
tremendous experience,
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a good experience
growing up as a preacher's kid.
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Sometimes,
there's horror stories,
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you have a terrible
experience, I never did.
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Uh, but you know, my
family wasn't perfect
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and my parents got a
divorce when I was eight.
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You know, dad left the
ministry and there was sort of
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a extended period
of spiritual searching
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and trying to
figure out who I was,
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do I want to be a Christian
and at the same time, you know,
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there was this
incredible arrogance.
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You know, I'm a preacher's kid,
I'm a Seventh-day Adventist.
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I know everything.
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I don't need to go to
church, you know, and uh...
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I've got the inside track.
I've got the inside track.
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I grew up here.
You know, I've got it.
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You know, I was born into it,
you know, that kind of thing.
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And when I was in High School,
I dated a girl whose condition
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was you need to come to
church with me on Sunday,
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you know,
otherwise you can't date me.
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I figured that's a
small price to pay,
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so I showed up on Sunday
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and it was a large,
charismatic, mega church
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and I remember I was
judging those people, you know.
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I mean as soon as I
saw somebody, you know,
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raising their hands
and singing out loud,
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I thought these
people are going to hell.
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There's no way you can be
this happy and demonstrative,
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you know, and be a Christian.
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You know, I grew up
in Northern Minnesota,
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you know, we just don't do that,
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you know, we are
not that demonstrative.
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And you know, through, you know,
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making a long story
short, God really broke through
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a lot of my
spiritual pride and I had
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a conversion experience
in the Pentecostal Church,
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you know, and it
was, it was very real
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and it very much life changing.
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I had some things in my
life that need to get cleaned up
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and it just was a
complete 180 for me.
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And as I, you know,
grew in that setting
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and returned into
scripture and studied and prayed
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and got involved in another
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Adventist Church
at the same time.
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I eventually was reconvicted
on the Adventist message
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and made a decision to go to
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Union College and
study for ministry.
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Well, that's awesome.
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Now I know that you are
a sought after speaker, um,
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across the country and
internationally as well.
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What do you hear from parents
or from kids when you travel?
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What kind of feedback do
they give you on your books?
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Um, they like,
they like the humor,
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they like the stories.
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Um, you know, one
thing, I think it's important.
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You know, we have
this incredible theology
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and its incredible message
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and there's so many facets to it
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and sometimes if
we are not careful,
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we kind of dump it
on people and again,
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you can get,
you can drown in it,
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you know,
because there's so much
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and so I think by connecting
our stories and metaphors
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and humorous events
that are true to life,
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it just helps them
connect with the message
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and they also like
the realness of it.
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You know, you are not skirting
around the hard questions
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even being willing to
admit that I don't know.
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Is there some questions
I have that I don't know,
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you know, and
that's okay, you know.
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And yeah, and so I
think just the realness of it
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and I think my
willingness to share a lot of my
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personal stories and struggles,
within the books that I write.
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You know, I don't
write of a place of now
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I've got this all
figured out and you know,
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and let me just
tell you know everything.
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It's, you know, we're
on this string together
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and there's things that I'm
wrestling within, so are you.
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And you can, and you
can resonate sometimes
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with the assumption
that we have as Adventist
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sometimes that you
are born into the church,
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you should know.
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You should know Daniel,
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you should
understand a Revelation,
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you should
understand a sanctuary.
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Yeah, and that was
something when I was studying,
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I remember
pitching this idea to you at
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General Conference
session, I think it was the last
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General Conference
session thing where has anyone
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ever a tackled a
prophecy series for teens
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and I didn't really, really,
we were chatting about those
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two a little while ago.
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I don't really
think through without,
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the work that would entail
doing that, and um, you know,
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that may not be a great
idea for somebody else to do
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and that was the
project unfolded, you know,
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started doing a lot of
reading and studying, you know,
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re-reading, you know,
materials I got in seminary,
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re-reading, you know,
scripture and really looking
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at the prophesies and there's
the huge breadth of knowledge
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and materials that
we have as Adventists
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and one of the
things that I found,
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in addition to an
incredible amount of truth,
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was we assumed that people
know what we are talking about.
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We do an awful lot.
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We just sort of assume
that everyone kind of knows
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this and they don't.
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And I found several places
where the content was good
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in the material I was reading
but they would make jumps,
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just kind of assuming
that the reader would follow.
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And so part of the task
was to step backwards and say,
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I want to start this thing
from scratch as if this person
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has never cracked
open scripture, you know,
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and we are going to
start from the very beginning.
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Right. And I just to
want to say to our viewers,
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if you've read
any of Seth's books,
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you'll know that he has a
gift for taking very difficult
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ideas and concepts and
presenting them in a way
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that makes them so
easy to understand,
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which is really perfect
when it comes to writing
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about prophecy, right?
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Um, because they
are not easy always...
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No, they are
not. ...to understand.
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The experience... especially,
for the Revelation book,
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it felt like somebody
handing me a giant ball
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of tangled Christmas
lights and having to go through
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and just unravel, you know,
all 'cause they were so many
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views and so many
different, imagery, you know,
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images that people use and so...
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And approaches.
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Yeah, different approaches,
different hermeneutics,
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different traditions
and so it was a, you know,
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trying to tend
to distill it down
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and say this is
the central, you know,
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the way that Adventist
view prophecy, you know,
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and allowing for
few areas, you know,
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like when you get to
Daniel 11, for example, saying,
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there's a few ways
that people approach this
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within the Adventist Church,
you know, and here they are.
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You know, and
really try not to um,
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be dogmatic about it but
just say, look, here's a,
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this book is a
stepping stone for deeper study
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and here's the big picture,
the macro, you know, picture.
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Um, and then hopefully
when people read the book,
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they feel that they've
got a good general grasp
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and they can launch
often the deeper study.
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Right. Yup.
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So, "Prophecies
of Daniel for Teens"
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and "Prophecies of
Revelation for Teens"
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are the two
books that we are going
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to look at a little bit closely.
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And we are going to
take a moment now to take--
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to find out how you can
get your copies of these books.
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Watch this and
we'll be right back.
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Thank you.
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Daniel wrote his book a long
time ago and it's filled with
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weird beasts and
even stranger words like,
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many, many --
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Can Daniel really tell us
what to expect in the future?
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And what about Revelation?
00:15:16.54\00:15:18.21
The symbolism can be
difficult to understand.
00:15:18.25\00:15:21.18
What are the seven
seals, scrolls, trumpets?
00:15:21.22\00:15:24.89
Though the animals in the
book of Daniel were confusing,
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the ones in
Revelation are even stranger.
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If you've ever
asked these questions,
00:15:30.96\00:15:33.19
then these books by Seth Pierce,
00:15:33.23\00:15:35.70
the "Prophecies
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and the "Prophecies
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are a perfect match for you.
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To get your copy of
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Welcome back.
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We are visiting with one
of your favorite authors,
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Seth Pierce and
we speaking to him
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about his two
books in particular,
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"Prophecies of Daniel" and
"Prophecies of Revelation,"
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both for teenagers.
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Yes.
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Seth, how would you describe um,
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your approach to the topic
of prophecy in these books?
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You are writing
to teenagers. Yes.
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Are they even really
interested in prophecy?
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I think they are.
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I think, the way we've
typically approached prophecy,
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you know, at
least in my experience,
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is it's usually
during Evangelistic series
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and while we
advertise prophecy meetings.
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And what typically
happens is we will pick
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certain portions of
prophecy to share, you know,
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with our distinctive
beliefs of Seventh-day Adventist
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and that's great.
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But we don't really start
a Chapter one of Revelation
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or Chapter one of Daniel
and let the narrative build
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and so when you can
take Revelation especially,
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'cause that's not quite
the narrative the Daniel
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is and somehow
make it chronological,
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chapter by chapter
and really weave it into
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a narrative or a story.
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They follow along,
they are very interested
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because they get to
see the whole picture,
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it's not just, you
know, here's a doctrine,
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here's a text, here's
this truth and this truth.
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It's like here's the big
story, here's the big picture.
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And it also allows you
when you hit those doctrines,
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those distinctive truths to
look at different facets of it.
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So, you know, if we
talk about the Sabbath
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or state of the
dead, um, one of the things
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that we can do is,
as opposed to saying,
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"Okay", here's several texts
and things that prove that,"
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is, we can actually
walk it back and say,
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"This is how we discovered,
you know, this belief.
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This is how this
belief comes about.
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This is how this belief
relates to multiple facets
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of human existence particularly,
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in the end-times."
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It's um, it's
just a fuller picture,
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just really let's us
look at different nuances
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and so it comes
across as being very fresh,
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even though these
truths has been in scripture
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the entire time.
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We just get to look at
it with the entire backdrop
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of Daniel and Revelation.
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Well, how do you deal with
people who may be questioning
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the approach, who say,
"Oh, you have to teach it
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in this specific
evangelistic way?"
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I liked prophecy
seminars as a kid,
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honestly because of the scary
element that we come through
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some times and you
are advocating an approach
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that doesn't use necessarily
the perspective of fear.
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Right.
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You know, I think,
you know, fear is always
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one of those things you
can get some good short term
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results with fear, but
you, but it doesn't last
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and I think anyone who's
done an Evangelistic series,
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you know, any
pastor who's done one,
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you know that you
know, you could have a really
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dynamic sort of
meetings and then that's great,
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I've got it in my
head and thank you
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for the good
series and then leave
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and they already
become a part of the community
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and when you can
take these prophecies
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and these truths and
couch them in a grand narrative
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or the grand story that God
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is telling you
the Great Controversy.
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Now they understand,
"Okay, this isn't something,
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some doctrine in my head.
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This is, this
involves me as a character
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in the story that God is telling
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and it's just much
bigger thing than just simply
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a set of doctrine.
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This is a much bigger deal
and I've got a role of play
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and I've got, I've got a
plot, you know, to carry out,
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you know, in this
Great Controversy story."
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And so people are fascinated
by that and especially
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when you can start
connecting doctrines
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that maybe have um, been become
familiar with just because,
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not necessarily that they could
reproduce a Bible study for it,
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but they just heard it.
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But when you can
present new facets of it
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and connect it with a story
and a big picture of scripture,
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um, it becomes really
fascinating, you know,
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for them, 'cause they get to see
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how it connects
to everything else.
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So you are basically saying you
can't scare people into Heaven?
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No, it doesn't, it doesn't work.
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Unfortunately, you
know, you can maybe get
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their attention, you know,
but to have a really lasting,
00:19:41.08\00:19:43.88
you know, relationship with God,
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it's, it's got to
be something deeper.
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I like the way that you
connect that with the, um,
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the mega story, the big
story of The Great Controversy.
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I think that's one of
the blessings that we have
00:19:53.92\00:19:56.06
as Seventh-day Adventist.
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We have that understanding
that there's more to our story
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than just what we
are experiencing here
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and to be able to help
them connect the dots in place,
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these prophecies in the context
of the Great Controversy.
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It's really important. Yeah.
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And that's exciting, you
know, when you get to see um,
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different nuances,
I mean, every, I mean,
00:20:16.75\00:20:18.51
think about every proof
text some are really used,
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it's part of the story.
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These are ones where
every text is part of a chapter
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which is part of a book
which is a part of the...
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I mean, there's a
whole lot in the background
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going on and
when you can see that,
00:20:29.86\00:20:31.56
suddenly the text
becomes very fresh and exciting
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and there's
different nuances to explore,
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different ideas,
so it's pretty cool.
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So, as you're threading
together these prophecies,
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do you make a conscious
decision as a writer to um,
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make sure that
your reader see Jesus?
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Oh, yeah.
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At the end of every
chapter, it says, you know,
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what does it tells about Jesus?
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You know, 'cause we can
look at some cool history
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and we can talk about
some interesting theology and--
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but ultimately, if we
can connect it to Christ,
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you know, it's
just facts, you know.
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Because I think that's for
parents and for grandparents,
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that's what we want, isn't it?
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We want to connect
to our kids with Jesus
00:21:09.10\00:21:12.10
and give them a sound
understanding and knowledge
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base of what they believe
in and why they believe that.
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Yeah, I think it's
especially with Revelation.
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I mean, I think you see
Christ throughout scripture
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but Revelation, I mean,
you read or at the beginning,
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this is the Revelation of...
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Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.
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You know, and in that sense,
you know, it's not a gospel,
00:21:27.85\00:21:32.05
you know like
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
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but in other sense it
is like a fifth gospel.
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I mean, this is
really a whole new picture of
00:21:35.22\00:21:38.43
Jesus Christ that you
don't get in the four gospels
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that we tend to study more.
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We want to go and
learn more about Jesus,
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I mean, I have
sermons and presentations
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where I talk about what
the beasts tell us about Jesus.
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I mean, you consider, I mean,
as scary and as some people
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don't like that and they think,
"Ah, let's get rid of those
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beasts and let's
not send flyers out."
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What's
interesting to me is of Jesus,
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if this Book of
Revelations is about Jesus
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and Jesus is the one
giving John the Revelation,
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who's the one
picking the imagery?
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So Jesus obviously has
purpose with the beasts,
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you know, what is He
revealing about Himself
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by choosing the images
of the beast, you know,
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and so yeah, you can see Christ
throughout the whole thing.
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Now when-- in
the preaching moment,
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as pastors we know,
there are parts of a sermon,
00:22:19.77\00:22:22.60
where in the
middle of preaching,
00:22:22.64\00:22:24.67
you almost take a step
back because you realize
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God is speaking
directly to you based on what
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you are presenting
to your congregation.
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Have there been
times in writing,
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what we believe about
Daniel and Revelation for teens
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that you took a
step back and said,
00:22:37.15\00:22:38.99
"Man, God is having
me write this because
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He's trying to
teach me something."
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Yeah, it was for me, yeah.
00:22:42.79\00:22:44.13
Yeah, yeah, and I think um,
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there's definite
moments when you,
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uh, as my editors
will know, you know,
00:22:48.73\00:22:51.07
there's things that
end up on the scrap room
00:22:51.10\00:22:53.70
for you can't put
everything in there
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and sometimes when
those things that I wrote down
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that didn't quite
make the final edit,
00:22:57.04\00:22:58.94
they were for me 'cause I
mean, I had the director's cut
00:22:58.97\00:23:00.71
manuscript on my
hard drive, you know.
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And I'll go back
and look at those notes
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and it's amazing
when you go through
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a process of
writing something like that.
00:23:06.72\00:23:10.99
Yeah, you don't, you
are not unaffected by it.
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I mean, you really come away
with some different insights
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and images and metaphors
and ways to articulate um,
00:23:17.76\00:23:22.06
how you see
Christ in these books
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or how you see the
Adventist message in these books
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and that's and we now
never has the time to do it
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or the um, maybe
the psychosis to do it,
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to go sit down and
write something like that
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but when you work
systematically on your own,
00:23:33.04\00:23:36.98
I mean, you use all the
resources available to you
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but when you
produce your own commentary,
00:23:39.45\00:23:43.05
you know, on
Revelation or Daniel, you know,
00:23:43.08\00:23:45.22
with the help of the Holy Spirit
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and Scripture and study.
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I mean, even if
you never preached it
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or you never published
it, it's an incredible, um,
00:23:50.13\00:23:54.26
it's an incredible blessing
to you personally, yeah.
00:23:54.30\00:23:58.63
Yeah.
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What do you
think parents want you
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to communicate with their kids?
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It depends on the
parent. It depends on the kid.
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I would hope, the love of Jesus,
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fundamentally to know
that their child matters.
00:24:17.19\00:24:19.99
Yes.
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And it's love and has
an important part to play
00:24:21.39\00:24:23.46
in The Great Controversy
that they are a character
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in this great story
they God is telling, and um,
00:24:26.43\00:24:29.26
they are important, you know,
00:24:29.30\00:24:30.90
and they're worth dying for,
00:24:30.93\00:24:32.47
and so they have a
life that's worth living.
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Unfortunately,
we are out of time
00:24:34.04\00:24:36.37
in our program and happens
just about every single time.
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If you could, Seth,
in just a few moments
00:24:39.71\00:24:41.61
looking to the
camera, and maybe speak
00:24:41.64\00:24:43.75
to the young person or
even the older person who,
00:24:43.78\00:24:46.55
when they think about scripture
think it's too complicated
00:24:46.58\00:24:49.52
to really
understand, what would you say
00:24:49.55\00:24:52.02
to try to get through to them?
00:24:52.05\00:24:54.76
That's tough.
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I think first of all,
um, just pray, you know,
00:24:56.86\00:24:59.93
and ask the Holy
Spirit for guidance
00:24:59.96\00:25:01.70
and know that
there's always more to learn.
00:25:01.73\00:25:06.23
You know, sometimes I
think we take for granted, um,
00:25:06.27\00:25:08.50
that we know everything,
especially when we're younger
00:25:08.54\00:25:10.87
and uh, there are
incredible resources
00:25:10.91\00:25:13.68
and even though we
might be young, um,
00:25:13.71\00:25:18.41
it's amazing the
insight that God can give us,
00:25:18.45\00:25:20.28
you know, when we, um,
submit ourselves to Him and uh,
00:25:20.32\00:25:23.52
I know He's got a messages
He wants to share with everyone,
00:25:23.55\00:25:25.49
and so it's worth the
time to put in and discover.
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That's awesome.
00:25:28.29\00:25:29.62
You know, and, Seth, as
someone who shares your book
00:25:29.66\00:25:32.53
with a lot of young people,
I just want to really affirm
00:25:32.56\00:25:35.60
the gift that God has given you,
00:25:35.63\00:25:37.17
for being able to take
these difficult concepts
00:25:37.20\00:25:39.83
and as we read in
our scripture reading,
00:25:39.87\00:25:41.67
at the start of the
program, to write it
00:25:41.70\00:25:44.11
and to make it plain,
that we can give it our kids,
00:25:44.14\00:25:47.81
to our grandchildren
and they can run with it.
00:25:47.84\00:25:50.31
Yes, absolutely.
00:25:50.35\00:25:51.68
And for being with
and take up the challenge,
00:25:51.71\00:25:53.75
as a young man and do it.
00:25:53.78\00:25:55.72
You serve as an
example as a young people
00:25:55.75\00:25:58.25
around the world and
we thank you for that.
00:25:58.29\00:26:00.12
Praise the Lord. Thank you.
00:26:00.16\00:26:01.49
We've been having a
conversation today with
00:26:01.52\00:26:02.86
Seth Pierce about his
books, what we believe,
00:26:02.89\00:26:06.09
about Daniel and
Revelation for Teens
00:26:06.13\00:26:08.26
and his story reminds
us that this whole thing
00:26:08.30\00:26:11.43
about the gospel and a
relationship with Jesus
00:26:11.47\00:26:14.37
and the dynamics of the Bible
are not just for old people,
00:26:14.40\00:26:17.87
it's for young people too.
00:26:17.91\00:26:19.24
The message was
taken around the world,
00:26:19.27\00:26:20.88
Jesus called a
bunch of young men
00:26:20.91\00:26:24.88
and He empowered
them to share a gospel
00:26:24.91\00:26:27.32
and that same Jesus today
is still calling young men
00:26:27.35\00:26:30.55
and young women,
maybe like someone as you
00:26:30.59\00:26:32.79
watching the program today
00:26:32.82\00:26:34.66
to take the
gospel around the world.
00:26:34.69\00:26:36.89
This has been another episode
of Stones of Remembrance.
00:26:36.93\00:26:40.70
My name is Pierre Quinn and
from my co-host, Karen Pearson,
00:26:40.73\00:26:43.93
we thank you for being
on this journey with us
00:26:43.97\00:26:46.87
and we'd like you to join
us next time as we sit down
00:26:46.90\00:26:49.64
and have another conversation
with your favorite author
00:26:49.67\00:26:52.57
and about their journey.
00:26:52.61\00:26:53.98
Take care and
we'll see you next time.
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