Hello, I'm Karen Pearson,
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and I'm here today with
my co-host Pierre Quinn.
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Hey, Pierre, how are you?
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I'm good, Karen, thanks.
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Yeah. Good.
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We are here to bring you
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another episode of
Stones of Remembrance,
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the program where we visit
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with one of
your favorite authors
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and look at some of
the life experiences
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they've gone through
that have helped to shape them
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and the message that
they share in their books.
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So often as we pass
through life's deep waters
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just as Joshua did,
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we can meet up with
some unexpected blessings
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that determine the whole
future direction of our lives
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and our ministries and so,
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before I introduce
you to today's guest,
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I want to share something
with you from the word.
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It's the text I know that you
probably are very familiar with
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and may even be a
favorite verse of yours.
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It's found in Psalms 37:4,
"Delight yourself in the Lord,
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and He shall give you
the desires of your heart."
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I just love that word delight.
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Amen. Yeah.
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Just delight
yourself in the Lord.
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Very precious passage to me
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and I know to many
of our viewers as well.
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I would like to welcome
to the program Tamyra Horst.
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Hi, Tamyra. Hi.
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How are you?
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Good, it's exciting to be
with you and Pierre today.
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Thank you.
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We're so glad
that you could join us.
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Thank you.
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Tamyra is the author
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of 'Praying Like
Crazy For Your Kids'
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and 'Praying Like
Crazy For Your Husband.'
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She is also the
Women's Ministries Director
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of Pennsylvania Conference.
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You wear so
many hats, don't you?
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Communication
Director is my main title
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but Women's
Ministries is my passion.
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Okay, I like that.
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That's your passion.
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Spoken like a
communication director.
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Yes.
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Very good.
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So you've written
several books and how many?
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Eight or nine plus
some ministry resources
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and things like that.
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Okay.
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Our authors have written a
lot of stuff, haven't they?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, eight or nine
books is pretty cool.
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Did you ever know
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that you were
going to write books.
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When I was little girl,
that's what I wanted to be.
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What I didn't know that I would
end up doing would be speaking
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and being on TV programs and,
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you know, that
kind of crazy stuff
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because I was just
such as incredibly shy,
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quiet, fearful kid,
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but I always knew
I wanted to write.
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That's amazing because
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we don't sense
that about you all now.
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God can really
intake the foolish things
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and change them again.
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Tammy, as we think about prayer,
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what are some of
the misconceptions
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that people have about prayer.
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I think people feel like
that prayer is gonna get them
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what they want every time.
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If they would just pray enough
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or if they would
just pray the right words
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or in the right
way or maybe that God
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isn't gonna answer their prayers
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because they're
not worthy enough,
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but if they get the
right people praying
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that God would
answer their prayers then,
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like there is some kind of,
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you know, system to it
or some kind of right way.
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If they can just get the
system down, they're good.
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Exactly.
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You just do it the
right way at the right time
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with the right people,
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you're gonna get
the right answers
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and that's not how it works.
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You know, prayer is,
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prayer is communicating with God
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and I think that
God already knows,
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He already knows
it's in our heart,
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He already knows what we want.
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You know, delight
yourself in the Lord
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and He will give you
the desires of your heart.
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He knows those desires.
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What prayer does is change us.
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It connects us with God.
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It helps us to
clarify what we really wanting
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and gives us that opportunity
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and this kind of like
back and forth and just--
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I mean, have you
ever prayed for something
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that you're
really passionate about
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and the more you
pray and agonize over it,
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just a deeper your
connection with God grows.
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Do you think that God
does it intentionally?
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I think that God
invites us to pray
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because He knows
what it does in us
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and because He knows
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how it's going to
connect us with Him,
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and the way that it changes us.
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When I was a little girl,
just before Christmas one year,
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there was a doll that I had seen
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advertised in a
catalog that I wanted.
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And I let it be known
to the people who mattered
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that I really,
really wanted this doll.
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Was it on your prayer list too?
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I'm sure I prayed for
it. I'm sure I prayed for it.
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So my mother just
totally ignored me
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like it was as
if she hadn't heard
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and I kept asking
and I kept asking,
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eventually I stopped asking
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because I figured it wasn't
going to be under the tree.
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And you know what?
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It was under the
tree. It was under the tree.
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And she said to me afterwards,
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"I just wanted to see how
much you really wanted it.
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Did you really want it?"
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And do you think
God does it with us?
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You know, I'm not
sure if God is testing
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to see how much we want it,
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but I do believe
that when we're praying
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God is answering already.
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You know, I prayed
for my mom for 14 years
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that she would really
come to relationship with God.
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You know, after I
joined the Adventist church.
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I mean, I've been a Christian
since I was little girl,
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but once I joined
the Adventist church,
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I started really
praying for my mother.
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And after 14 years
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she came to an evangelistic
series at our church
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that I was helping
to lead and organize.
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And on the first
night of the first appeal,
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my mom came forward and
afterwards I'm in the back
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going through all the
cards, the commitment cards
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and I get to my
mom's and it was just,
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you know-- In a heart prayer
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but I've been
praying for 14 years.
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And when I shared the
story, I asked the question,
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did God wait 14 years and say,
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you know, I'm not
doing anything today.
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I think I'll answer,
she needs question today
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in a plethora of
prayer from the prayer box
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and I'll answer that today.
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It's Tammy's turn today. Right.
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And I don't think
that's how it works.
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I believe that God
was answering every moment
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since I even
before I began praying
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because God wanted
my mom's heart too.
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And so He was answering
all along and looking back.
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I could see the
ways that God had led.
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Have led her to even being
willing to come to the church,
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being willing to
come to this, you know,
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just the way that
people have loved her.
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You know, my youngest brother
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being killed by a
drunk driver when he was 18
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and church
members had just loved
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my parents through that.
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You know, the ministry
of pot of veggie meatballs
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or a casserole
of mac and cheese.
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You know, just bringing food
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coming and
praying with my family.
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Just loving them.
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Just loving them and I can see
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how all along the
way God was answering
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but there were lot of times
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where I was
praying and wondering,
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you know, especially
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as I prayed for
my kids sometimes,
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wondering, God,
are you answering?
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Are you there?
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Is there any
point to really praying?
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You know, Tammy, one of
our other guests mentioned that
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they think God
answers incrementally
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and I like that because,
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yes, He answers the
moment we start praying.
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But sometimes it
moves very slowly.
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It moves forward in
very small increments
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but it doesn't
mean He is not working.
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When I think we're
looking for the end goal.
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We're looking for the answer
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and if we would
just stop and look,
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we could see God
leading all along.
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You know, we could
see the little ways
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that He is leading.
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And that's what I watch
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and just enjoying in
watching with my boys
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or just as I pray
for it and I calm boys
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and they're dipping now--
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They'll always
be your boys. Yeah.
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But as I pray for
them and just, you know,
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there have been times
where I've been just like God,
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are you ever going to answer.
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I've been praying these prayers
for them since they were born
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that they would just know you
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as intimately as a
human being can know God.
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And are you ever gonna answer?
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Those prayers are my boys
ever going to where I walk
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so passionately with
You the way that I hoped.
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And there have been
times that I wondered
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and wanted to
almost give up on praying.
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You know, like, you know, I'm
not even going to pray anymore
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because you're just not like,
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like no longer asking
for that doll for Christmas
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because you're wondering
does anybody even really care
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about this besides me,
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but God is a relentless God.
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He doesn't forget our
prayers and He is answering
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and I've seen that.
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You know, when I was writing
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Praying Like
Crazy For Your Kids,
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I had given the proposal
anybody knows how books write,
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you give three chapters
and an outline to the publisher
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and they like
yeah, let's have this,
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when can we have it by.
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And I said, "Oh, I'll have
it done by the end of November."
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And it got to me the
Sunday before Thanksgiving
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and I hadn't written
a single another word
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other than those
first three chapters.
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And I know the book is due
now in about a week and half
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and Thanksgiving is coming.
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And my oldest son is
coming home for Thanksgiving.
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And I want time
to spend with him,
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I don't want to have
to be writing, you know,
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honest but that I promised it
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and I'm a person
who very goal oriented
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and I'm gonna keep
to my goal, you know,
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and so Sunday
morning before Thanksgiving,
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I got up and I just prayed
and I sat down on my computer
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and I said, Lord,
if you want this book,
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you're going to have to
write it because I had just hit
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a blog where it felt
like God wasn't answering.
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And God wasn't responding
in the lives of my sons,
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and I just didn't
know how to write a book
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about praying for your kids
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if I wasn't so sure
that God was even answering.
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That's powerful.
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Isn't that and you see,
this is one of the things,
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this is like those stones
in the middle of the river
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let the water comes over.
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We don't always
know the back-story.
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You know, so we read the book
but we don't know sometimes--
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And you think, oh,
she is just someone
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who prays for
her kids three times,
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she never doubts.
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And she's got it all
together. She's perfect.
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I had someone come up to me
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one time at a
church in my community
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that I speak in all the time,
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every year I speak there.
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And I was sharing some of
these struggles when I talked
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about Praying Like Crazy
For Your Kids and she said, "No,
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I just thought,
you were this woman
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of incredible
faith all the time,
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and I'm just stunned
that you don't always have
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that kind of faith
but I'm relieved...
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to know that you
struggled with it too."
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Well, I think it gives,
it helps give people hope.
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Yeah.
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You know, that, well, if
she can have those struggles,
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yet she still continues
and perseveres and look
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what God's doing in
her and through her,
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maybe I can too.
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And God doesn't give
up and He is relentless
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and He blesses anyway,
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so I started writing this book
on Sunday morning praying God
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and I have to admit
that I have this relationship
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with God where, you know,
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nobody had taught how to pray,
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I think go to church
when I was little girl,
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even though I
was committed to Him,
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you know.
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I just talked to Him
like He is my friend.
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And so I said, Lord,
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I need You to help
me finish this book
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and I really need to get
it done before Thanksgiving
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because my son is coming home
and I want time with my son,
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so can we get this book done.
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And I've never
written a book that fast.
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Tuesday at lunch time
the book was finished.
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How many days?
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Two and half days. Wow.
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Sunday, Monday,
and Tuesday morning.
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That has to be
some kind of a record.
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It was for me, I don't
know about anybody else,
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but I've never written a book
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and it was an
amazing experience with God
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because I get to a
chapter and I'd say,
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I don't know how to write this,
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I don't know where to
begin, I had my outline.
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Lord, please show me.
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And He bring stories
and He bring memories
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and it was an
encouragement for me
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to remember how God has led
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and how He has
answered prayers for my kids
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and how they have grown.
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And so it was done at
lunchtime and I'm like,
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well, that was
faster than I needed.
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And so I sat down
and read it to say,
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well, it's probably
going to be mediocre,
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I'm probably not going
to like this when I'm done.
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And so I sat down and
read at Tuesday afternoon
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and I said, well, that was good.
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God, you really came through,
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and I send it
off to the publisher
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and prepare Thanksgiving dinner.
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And on Friday
after Thanksgiving,
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I got to spend the
day with just my son.
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I didn't have to
share it with anybody else.
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And we went out, you know,
my heart was breaking for him,
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he'd gone through so
much trauma in the last year
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losing one of his very
best friends in an accident,
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so went into depression.
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You write it
about that in the book.
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Cause him to question
God and so here we are in
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and he's just been
in some dark places
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and I hadn't seen
him smiling in a year.
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And he was
beginning to smile again.
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And he has a smile that just,
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even thinking about it
now just melts my heart,
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you know, and we
started walking around
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and we were hanging
out and we were talking
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and I took him to
one of my favorite places
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Olive Gardens
back in Pennsylvania,
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and we-- it was
so crowded that day,
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there was no place to sit,
so we just walked and talked.
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And Joshua said to me,
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"Mom, I'm really
worried about my faith.
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I feel like I'm losing my
hold on God and I don't want to.
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I don't want to lose
my connection with God.
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And I'm
concerned about my friends.
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Mom, can you pray."
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And so able to pray with him
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and before he
went home that weekend,
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my husband and I just
gathering around him and,
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you know, he is
6'3'' and we are not,
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and just laying our hands on him
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and praying for
him and he is weeping
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because he doesn't want to
lose his connection with God.
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And two weeks later he
send me an email saying,
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"Mom, don't
worry about me and God.
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God has His hold on me
and He will not let me go.
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Oh, wow.
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You know, just
amazing and you know,
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he stays in contact with me,
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he doesn't live nearby and just,
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I remember one time
he wrote to me, he said,
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"Mom, even in some of the
darkest places in my life,
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I could see God there.
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God was right there.
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Maybe were some Christians
would think that God wasn't.
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But God never left me."
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And that's what
motivates me to keep on praying
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'cause all the time
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I thought that God
wasn't doing anything
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but He was, He
was calling my son,
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He was drawing my son deeper.
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And that's important having
a relationship with your son
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for him to come to
you and be able to say,
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I felt like I'm losing my grip,
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my relationship
with God and then knowing
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because of what has
happened in your house
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that he has a mom that prays.
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Yeah, I love that my
kids call me and say,
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mom, I have this
friend who is struggling,
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can you pray?
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Mom I have this
going on in my life,
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would you pray?
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You know, my one son
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is serving in the
military in Cuba right now
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and for me to say, I'm
really praying for you,
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I know this is
really hard right now.
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And for him to say, "I
really appreciate that so much."
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And even my husband, you know,
just for him to be able to say,
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"I just so appreciate
having a praying wife,
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know that you always got my back
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that you're always praying."
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And one time my
oldest son, you know, said,
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"Mom, I need you to
pray for my son Beth.
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I'm praying for, I need
you to pray for my friend
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and I'm praying for my friend,
I really need to talk to him,
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it's going to be
a hard conversation
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because of what they are doing
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and I just really feel like
I need to talk to him about it.
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Tell me about this
fasting thing that you do."
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Wow.
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Can you teach fasting to me
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and we've never had a
conversation about fasting
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and prayer in our home
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but it's something
that they've seen me do.
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And so an example
that a parent lives out.
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Speaks louder
than words. It does.
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And your kids are
watching. Absolutely.
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They are
watching by your example.
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They are watching you study.
They are watching you pray.
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They are watching
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the connection you have with God
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and how you live
that out in your life.
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Right. Right.
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Speaks a lot more to them
probably than any preaching
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that you can probably do.
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More effective for sure.
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We're gonna take a
moment, so you can find out
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how to get hold
of Tamyra's books
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Praying Like Crazy For Your Kids
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and 'Praying Like
Crazy For Your Husband.
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And if you have
read any of other--
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Tamyra's other books,
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you gonna want to get these two.
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What I love about her
writing is it's practical,
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it's hands-on
and it's inspiring.
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So don't go away, watch
this and we'll be right back.
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Thank you.
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True prayer is
not out of repetition.
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God knows all about
our family situations
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and wants us to partner with him
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in shaping the
lives of our children,
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not just for today
but also for eternity.
00:16:04.39\00:16:07.60
In Praying Like
Crazy For Your Kids,
00:16:07.63\00:16:10.17
Tamyra Horst gives encouragement
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on how to pray for
your children at any age.
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As wives, we know our
husbands better than anyone else
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and we can pray for them
in ways that no one else can
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in Praying Like
Crazy For Your Husband,
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Tamyra says,
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it may be
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one of the
biggest responsibilities
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we have in marriage to
stand beside our husbands
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and to fight for them in prayer.
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To get your copy of these books,
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call 1-800-765-6955.
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Stop by your local
Adventist book center
00:16:41.93\00:16:44.77
or you can order online today
at www.adventistbookcenter.com.
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Welcome back.
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We're busy
visiting with Tamyra Horst,
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author of Praying
Like Crazy For Your Kids
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and Praying Like
Crazy For Your Husband.
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Tamyra, let's take a few minutes
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to look a little bit more
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at Praying Like
Crazy For Your Husband.
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Why did you feel a call
to pray for your husband?
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It sounds like
a wonderful thing,
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but tell us a
little bit about that
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'cause that was a
journey for you, wasn't it?
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It was.
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I've been Praying
Like Crazy For Your Kids
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and that came out of the passion
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of my mother's heart,
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just I probably haven't
prayed for anything or anybody
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like I prayed for my kids.
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And then I was at a conference
with you and you said,
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Tamyra, would you consider
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writing Praying Like
Crazy For Your Husband.
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And my first thought was, no,
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I'm not going to be
that crazy praying idea.
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I'm just not going to go there,
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I'm not going to
write million bucks--
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You didn't want a whole series.
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I didn't want a whole series.
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And I actually
didn't want a book
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that will be just like
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Praying Like
Crazy For Your Kids.
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If I was going to do
it, it had to be different.
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There had to something
different about praying
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for your husband than
praying for your kids.
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And so, I promised you
that I'll pray about it
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which is always
dangerous to pray.
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It is very dangerous.
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Always dangerous
because God is going to say,
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really, you don't
think you want to do that.
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Let see about that.
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And so, I went
back to my hotel room
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because we were
away at a conference
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and I just said,
Lord, if I want to do this,
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I want it to be different.
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And it can't be
like the other book.
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And I don't know that I want to.
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And so, that night I just prayed
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and I just wrote down thoughts
as they came to my mind,
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and by morning
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I knew that I was going to have
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to write this book.
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And so I began writing
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and God
convicted me a little bit.
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I realized that I had been
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praying
passionately for my kids.
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I had fasted and
prayed for my kids.
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I had never once
fasted for my husband.
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I'd been praying
for my husband and I do,
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I really do pray for my husband
for everything and anything,
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but too many of my
prayers are more like,
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God, can you fix him.
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God, look at this, look at--
could you take care of this.
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You know, do you
think we tend to do that?
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I think my wife
prays those prayers.
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I think so.
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I don't think that's
an uncommon thing, Tammy.
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I just-- I didn't recognized
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my
responsibility to pray for him,
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his connection with God.
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I mean, I was praying for him,
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but too often, it just
still faltered back to this,
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"God, fix him.
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Look at this
problem here, you know.
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Look at how he is treating
those or doing that or just..."
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And as I was writing the book,
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I realized that nobody
knew my husband like I did.
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Not even his mom, as much
as I think I know my kids,
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I knew that the
women that will one day
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walk into their lives are
going to have a relationship
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with them that I don't.
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And I know my
husband's weaknesses.
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I know his
strengths, I know his dreams.
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I know how God
uses him profoundly.
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And I know his fears.
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And so nobody
knows him like I do.
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And I felt like I had...
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I felt like God was saying,
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"You have this responsibility
to really pray for him,
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because if you don't--"
00:20:03.23\00:20:04.80
More than just a good idea.
00:20:04.83\00:20:06.17
Right. A responsibility.
A responsibility.
00:20:06.20\00:20:08.40
Samuels says to the
Israelites, "Far be it to me,
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for me to sin by not
praying for the people
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that God put into my care."
00:20:15.08\00:20:17.71
And I thought,
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I have felt responsible
to pray for my children.
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You know, as a parent,
00:20:21.92\00:20:23.25
I think it's because they start
out totally dependent on you.
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And so you feel so responsible,
00:20:27.99\00:20:30.06
but you don't feel the same
responsibility for your spouse
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because you're both adults
00:20:32.73\00:20:34.06
when you walk
into this relationship.
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And so God was convicting me
00:20:36.73\00:20:38.50
that I had a
responsibility to pray for Tim,
00:20:38.53\00:20:41.24
and not just
complain to God about him.
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You know, and to really
pray for his hopes and dreams.
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Pray for the
things he struggles with.
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Pray for the ways that
God is going to use him
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and pray for his relationships.
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And that really,
kind of, changed things.
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And not pray that
God would make him
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the man that I want him to be.
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'Cause I don't
know about you guys,
00:21:00.62\00:21:01.96
but I have a certain way
00:21:01.99\00:21:03.32
that I think would
just be just perfect.
00:21:03.36\00:21:05.79
I sometimes do tell God,
00:21:05.83\00:21:07.63
"God this is how I
think that it should be."
00:21:07.66\00:21:09.56
My friend Ginny
Allen says that--
00:21:09.60\00:21:11.20
she has this book,
'Ginny's Advice to God'.
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And I think that's
probably true of all of us.
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I just know how
God can make my husband
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the best person he could be.
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But to really trust God,
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that God has plan for my husband
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and that God's gonna do
what He wants to do in his life.
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And that I've got to trust it
and just support it in prayer,
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whatever that it is.
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In the book, there's a
line from the book you say,
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"For wives,
praying for your husband
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is one of the most
lovable things that you can do."
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So how is prayer--
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and you've tapped on
it a little bit before,
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but how is prayer
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one of the best demonstrations
of love for your spouse?
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Well, you know, prayer is--
that's a really good question.
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Prayer takes time.
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It takes commitment.
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I mean, how many
times does someone say,
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"Oh, will you pray for me."
00:22:03.85\00:22:05.19
And you say, "Oh,
I'll pray for you."
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And then the next
time they see you, they go,
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"Oh, thanks for praying me."
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And you're going,
"Did I ever remember
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to pray for that person?"
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You know, so I
tell people, people say,
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"Will you pray for me?"
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I tend to go,
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"Can I pray for you right
now while we're right here?
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And then I will
continue to pray for you
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as God brings you to
mind and prompts me."
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Because I don't want
to make a promise that
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I'm not going to keep,
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even though it's unintentional
that you don't always keep it.
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And so to pray for someone
consistently requires time,
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it requires thinking,
it requires intentionality.
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It requires really looking at
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how you're going
to pray for them.
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So it requires knowing them.
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You know, not just saying,
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God, bless my husband,
bless my kids, thank you, amen.
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But to really do
spiritual battle,
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you really have to
be engaged and involved.
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And even in those moments,
and we all know our spouses,
00:22:57.81\00:23:00.84
that there are
moments where you may not
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like your spouse very much.
00:23:02.98\00:23:04.81
And you may be really
angry or hurt and to be--
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continued commitment
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that I'm going to
continue to pray for him.
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Praying for your husband,
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did you find that
when you started doing that
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with the same intent as
you were praying for your kids?
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What happened, did
things just take off
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and go smooth sailing?
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What happened?
What was your journey?
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I think that, you
know, making that commitment,
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the enemy, any time
you make a commitment
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wants to come in and derail it.
00:23:35.08\00:23:36.75
And so I think
then the enemy comes in
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and wants to make you more
frustrated with your spouse,
00:23:39.11\00:23:41.25
so you go back to
that complaining mode,
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you know, again.
00:23:42.75\00:23:44.09
"Lord, come on
now, what about this?"
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And so you have to
really fight for it.
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And sometimes
prayer really is battle.
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That's, you know, why
I add fasting to prayer,
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because it kind of ups
the battle a little bit.
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I believe prayer
is more than just,
00:23:56.30\00:23:58.73
"Now I lay me down to sleep.
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God bless this
day, bless this food,
00:24:00.14\00:24:01.47
bless the hands
that prepared it.
00:24:01.50\00:24:02.84
Give us trial and
mercies. "Prayer is fighting.
00:24:02.87\00:24:06.17
Everyday we're
engaged in battle.
00:24:06.21\00:24:08.11
Everyday we have
an enemy who says,
00:24:08.14\00:24:09.74
the Bible tells us,
he is out to devour us.
00:24:09.78\00:24:12.78
And do we live it?
Do we live like that?
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Do we get up in
the morning and say,
00:24:14.72\00:24:16.22
"Today there is an enemy
and he wants to take me out.
00:24:16.25\00:24:18.42
He wants to take out my husband.
00:24:18.45\00:24:19.79
He wants to take out
my kids and my friends."
00:24:19.82\00:24:22.16
I don't know about you,
00:24:22.19\00:24:23.53
but I didn't
think that first thing
00:24:23.56\00:24:24.89
this morning when I got up.
00:24:24.93\00:24:26.26
I was thinking about
what I was going to wear,
00:24:26.29\00:24:27.63
and what I was going to say
00:24:27.66\00:24:29.00
and how I'm going
to get home today,
00:24:29.03\00:24:30.37
all those kind of things.
00:24:30.40\00:24:31.73
Yet, we're in this
battle of great controversy,
00:24:31.77\00:24:35.54
and prayer is how we fight.
00:24:35.57\00:24:37.77
And so you have
to keep on fighting.
00:24:37.81\00:24:39.91
And the more you
fight, the more you pray,
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I think sometimes
the more the enemy
00:24:42.04\00:24:43.58
tries to get in
there and prevent that,
00:24:43.61\00:24:46.25
prevent you from
seeing that God is working.
00:24:46.28\00:24:48.78
Unfortunately,
we are out of time.
00:24:48.82\00:24:51.52
It flew by so fast,
00:24:51.55\00:24:52.95
well, maybe in 30
seconds, 45 seconds,
00:24:52.99\00:24:55.16
look into the camera,
speak to the hearts of those
00:24:55.19\00:24:57.53
who are viewing
our program today.
00:24:57.56\00:24:59.49
Those who are struggling
with praying for their spouse
00:24:59.53\00:25:02.00
or struggling with
praying for their kids,
00:25:02.03\00:25:04.30
and their
prayers are maybe focused
00:25:04.33\00:25:06.03
on themselves all the time.
00:25:06.07\00:25:07.40
How would you encourage people
00:25:07.44\00:25:09.10
to move beyond
themselves and pray for others?
00:25:09.14\00:25:12.47
I would just
encourage you to not give up.
00:25:12.51\00:25:15.04
You know, I know
that there are moments
00:25:15.08\00:25:16.41
where it feels like
nothing is changing.
00:25:16.44\00:25:19.01
But God is working,
even when you can't see it,
00:25:19.05\00:25:22.02
even behind the
scenes, even in the silence.
00:25:22.05\00:25:25.15
You know, I was just
reading the story of Elijah,
00:25:25.19\00:25:27.89
and it was in the quiet,
in the quiet still voice,
00:25:27.92\00:25:32.09
in the silence that
can be, "can be heard"
00:25:32.13\00:25:34.70
is what the original
language sometimes refers to,
00:25:34.73\00:25:37.40
that God is working.
00:25:37.43\00:25:39.07
And so don't
give up, keep praying.
00:25:39.10\00:25:41.10
God is working.
00:25:41.14\00:25:42.47
And just start praising Him
for being the God who hears,
00:25:42.50\00:25:45.47
being the God who responds,
being the God who answers,
00:25:45.51\00:25:49.11
and then just expect,
00:25:49.14\00:25:51.58
expect that God is
going to do a miracle.
00:25:51.61\00:25:54.32
Thank you for touching on
the praise aspect in that.
00:25:54.35\00:25:57.59
I think that is so
important. It is important.
00:25:57.62\00:25:59.99
I think that's one of the most
00:26:00.02\00:26:01.42
effective weapons
against the enemy.
00:26:01.46\00:26:05.19
It changes us so much.
Yes. It changes our focus.
00:26:05.23\00:26:08.26
It does. Yes.
00:26:08.30\00:26:09.73
Well, Tamyra, we appreciate
our conversation today.
00:26:09.76\00:26:13.94
Well, we know is that you're
not the crazy praying lady,
00:26:13.97\00:26:18.17
but you do pray like
crazy for your husband
00:26:18.21\00:26:21.51
and for your children.
00:26:21.54\00:26:22.91
And we
appreciate your transparency
00:26:22.94\00:26:24.51
in sharing your heart.
00:26:24.55\00:26:25.88
We've had a conversation
with Tamyra Horst today
00:26:25.91\00:26:27.92
about praying like
crazy for your spouse
00:26:27.95\00:26:30.75
and praying like
crazy for your children.
00:26:30.79\00:26:32.52
And it's something that we
all need to do to be called
00:26:32.55\00:26:35.99
to a deeper prayer life or
more intentional prayer life
00:26:36.02\00:26:39.53
and especially praying
when we remember the stories
00:26:39.56\00:26:43.03
or the stones of
how God has brought us
00:26:43.06\00:26:45.43
out of one situation to another.
00:26:45.47\00:26:48.20
For another episode
of Stones of Remembrance,
00:26:48.24\00:26:50.97
I'm Pierre Quinn
00:26:51.01\00:26:52.34
and for my
co-host Karen Pearson,
00:26:52.37\00:26:53.91
we thank you for watching.
00:26:53.94\00:26:55.28
And we look forward to talking
00:26:55.31\00:26:56.64
with your
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