Participants: Karen Pierson & Pierre Quinn (Host), Jill Morikone
Series Code: SOR
Program Code: SOR000005A
00:24 Hello, I'm Karen Pearson
00:26 and I'm here today with my co-host Pierre Quinn. 00:29 Hey Pierre. You're welcome. Thank you. 00:30 Thank you. 00:31 We're here together to bring you another episode 00:33 of "Stones of Remembrance." 00:35 The program where we visit 00:37 with one of your favorite authors 00:38 and look at some of their life experiences 00:40 that helped to shape them 00:42 and the message we find in their books. 00:45 You know, so often as we pass through 00:47 some of life's deep waters just as Joshua did 00:50 in leading the children of Israel through the Jordan. 00:53 We can meet with some unexpected blessings 00:56 that can determine the future direction of our entire lives, 01:00 but before I introduce you to today's guest, 01:03 I want to share something with you from the word. 01:06 I'm reading from the Psalms 147, 01:09 "Praise the Lord for it's good to sing praises to our God, 01:14 for it is pleasant and praise is becoming. 01:18 The Lord builds up Jerusalem, 01:20 He gathers the outcasts of Israel, 01:23 He heals the broken hearted and He binds up their wounds." 01:29 I just love this passage 01:31 and I know that our guest today does too. 01:34 Welcome to the program, Jill Morikone. 01:36 Thank you so much for having me, Karen. 01:38 And Pierre, it's a joy to be here. 01:40 Thank you. 01:41 Jill, I know that you are no stranger 01:43 to 3ABN audiences around the world. 01:46 Uh, you do so much and we all know 01:49 and appreciate your beautiful, beautiful artistry on the piano 01:52 and your ministry through music, 01:55 but is there anything else that you've done or been 01:59 that you'd like to share with the audience 02:00 that we may not know about you? 02:02 That's a good question. I love music. 02:04 You know, music was my passion growing up 02:06 and I loved just sharing music, 02:09 sharing that gift with other people. 02:11 I taught music for 10 years at our local church school 02:16 and then started working at 3ABN 02:17 here a year and a half ago. 02:19 So music, music's a big part of my life and the word of God. 02:23 Yeah. Yes, good. Thank you, Jill. 02:27 We are gonna be looking at your book "Heartlift," 02:30 that you've recently had published. 02:33 And in your book you begin with a story 02:37 about a young girl called Megan. 02:40 You discovered something about Megan one day 02:42 that was really disturbing for you; 02:44 could you share that with us? 02:46 Absolutely, you know, it began, my first year of teaching, 02:50 I was a brand new teacher 02:52 and you know, you're innocent and naive 02:53 and not sure what to expect, 02:55 and I had come from a fairly sheltered background 02:57 and Megan was a beautiful girl. 02:59 Blond hair, just perfect skin, just the type of girl 03:02 you think would be popular in high school. 03:06 But she was always a loner 03:07 and she was always kind of kept her, herself 03:09 and one day I discovered that she had been cutty. 03:14 And it was my first experience to even actually 03:18 you know, have contact with someone who cut and she... 03:20 Jill, Jill, could you just explain for some of our viewers 03:23 who may not know what that is, 03:24 could you explain what cutting is? 03:26 I know it's a real problem today. 03:28 It is, absolutely it is. 03:30 And we see it so much in the young people 03:32 I think it a way to, um. 03:34 What they do is, they actually cut themselves a lot of times 03:37 it's on the arms or the legs or different places, 03:40 I think it's a way to release the pain 03:41 that's bottled up inside and you don't know 03:43 how to get rid of it and what to do about it 03:46 and so if you kind of have pain here, 03:48 it almost takes away from the pain inside. 03:51 Wow! 03:52 And so she was cutting and some people cut 03:55 and they make slashes with a knife 03:57 or with other instruments in their skin 03:59 but she had cut the word "Help." 04:01 Wow! 04:03 H- E- L- P, it was on her arm and when I saw that, 04:07 I thought so many months I've seen her 04:10 and she's been a loner 04:11 and she's been a little apart from the kids 04:14 but I was so busy as a new teacher 04:16 and so stressed with all of that, 04:18 that I have not taken time to seek her out 04:21 and to try to help her 04:24 and that was a rebuke to my own heart. 04:26 But just to realize the pain in her heart 04:29 and how God wanted to bring her healing. 04:32 Yeah. Yes. 04:34 We encounter people every day and what is it 04:38 and you mention some things but what is it about our lives 04:41 that makes us either ignore or just simply overlook the pain 04:47 or struggles that other people are facing? 04:50 That's a great question Pierre, 04:51 you know, so many times I think it's human nature. 04:54 At least in my own experiences, 04:55 human nature to be self centered or self-focused. 05:00 I think about myself and my problems and my life 05:04 and may be my friends, but I think it takes God 05:07 to break down those walls and those barriers in our hearts 05:11 to open up our eyes to see what is going on 05:14 in other people's lives and to see the need, 05:16 to see the pain, 05:18 to see how God wants to bring healing to other people. 05:21 Yeah. I think only God can break that down. 05:23 So, what happened to Megan? 05:26 Everyone wants to know. Yeah. I wish. 05:29 Do you know some stories have a beautiful ending 05:32 and some stories don't and in this particular story 05:36 the honest truth is I do not know. 05:38 It's one of those stories 05:40 that I had the interaction with her during that time, 05:43 this was 12, 15 years ago 05:46 and I do not know where she is today 05:47 or what she is doing but I know that our father does. 05:49 You know, He has our names 05:51 engravened on the palm of His hand. 05:52 And some day, I'm hoping and praying in heaven, 05:56 I'm gonna meet her and hear the rest of the story. 05:58 Amen. 05:59 The title of the book is "Heartlift," 06:02 and okay, I'm gonna be completely honest. 06:05 I felt a little bit like 06:06 I was reading maybe my mom's or my sister's diary 06:10 because the book is detours towards women. 06:14 It is. 06:15 So I'm reading it as a male and I'm kind of taking it all in 06:18 and trying to, trying to figure it out 06:20 but I think of heartlift, I think man 06:23 my heart needs to get higher than where it is. 06:27 And you had experiences of having a loner, 06:31 broken heart that kind of really 06:34 shaped where you are today. 06:36 Can you talk about some of those, those experiences 06:38 that made you feel sad or kind of broke you down? 06:42 Um, we all have experiences. 06:44 You know, we all go through different pain, 06:46 different things in our lives. 06:47 I don't know if this is specifically 06:48 what you are referring to but my husband and I, 06:51 we've been married a few years and we walked that journey 06:55 and you know, most newly married couples, 06:57 your natural thought is "we are gonna have kids." 06:59 That's just kind of the thing you think as a... 07:01 That's the question everybody ask. 07:02 You grow up, you get married, you have kids, 07:05 that's just the natural order of things 07:07 and we were married a few years when we discovered 07:09 "we are having a few problems here." 07:11 And then we went to the doctor, they sent you for more tests, 07:14 you keep going. 07:16 And I remember the day when the doctor called 07:18 and gave us the news that we are infertile 07:22 and he said "it's rare or our condition is rare." 07:25 And we just don't know why 07:27 and there was the click and the dial tone 07:29 and I'm just left standing there. 07:31 You know, what you do for... Devastating. 07:32 Yeah. It was. 07:34 At that moment in my life it was, just the pain of... 07:39 hopes and dreams that you have for your life and realizing, 07:43 this may never come to pass. 07:45 I know that was one of those painful moments 07:48 and then how God wants to look into our hearts, 07:51 wants to pick us up. 07:52 There is a verse in Psalms that says "God, 07:55 I know he heals the broken hearts 07:56 but he lifts us up out of the miry clay 07:58 and he sets our feet on a rock." 08:01 And no matter what experience we've been through, 08:03 no matter what pain, God just says come, 08:05 come to me, I want you to surrender that to me, 08:09 I want to fill your heart with peace, with joy. 08:12 I think initially Pierre, we had acceptance, 08:15 well, first there was anger. 08:18 There is pain... Yeah. 08:19 And then we had acceptance, may be resignation in there 08:22 and then somewhere in there came surrender and peace 08:26 and then finally God can fill your heart with joy 08:28 and that's a beautiful thing. 08:30 You know, we called those 08:31 "the middle of the river experiences," 08:34 those stories that perhaps not everybody knows. 08:38 You know, Joshua built that altar 08:40 right in the middle of the river 08:42 and the waters covered it over again 08:44 and no one ever saw that altar again and the Bible says 08:47 that it's still there to this day. 08:49 Which is just such a beautiful you know, figure of speech 08:53 and an image in our minds 08:56 and often have you found in your life, Jill, 08:59 that those hard things, those things that happen 09:02 where we feel the waters all around us, 09:05 are the things that take us and shape us. 09:07 Amen. 09:08 And give us compassion for someone else. 09:11 You know, Paul tells us God comforts us in our trouble 09:14 so that we can in turn extend that comfort 09:17 to someone else and you are so right. 09:19 Right, so I know that you connect so deeply 09:23 and so beautifully with so many people and women in particular. 09:27 What are some of the other struggles 09:28 that the woman you come across 09:30 face and are dealing with today? 09:32 It's a great question. 09:34 I think we as woman, we face struggles 09:37 that are similar to each other. 09:39 Now of course we all have our own variance on that struggle. 09:42 Um, but to me one of the big struggles is, 09:45 who am I in Jesus? 09:47 You know, we have a jail ministry, 09:49 we go Monday nights and minister to the woman 09:51 and so many of them just say "God doesn't love me, 09:56 God can't love me because of what I have did in the past." 09:59 We don't realize God can forgive us, 10:02 God can cleanse us, 10:04 God can stand us up as his daughters 10:06 and so I think that's pivotal in our experiences. 10:09 Women just understanding, God loves me, 10:11 God forgives me, God cleanses me, 10:13 I am God's daughter so I think, who am I in Jesus? 10:16 Can I be forgiven? Can I forgive others? 10:19 Bitterness is a huge thing. 10:22 Forgiving people for the pain that they've inflicted 10:25 or forgiving something that's been done 10:27 that was none of our fault, may be it's abuse, 10:30 you know, may be there's a lot of that in people's life. 10:33 So, I think forgiveness, bitterness, jealousy... 10:37 Yeah. 10:39 As woman we are good with the cold shoulder. 10:41 I know. 10:43 And God says "I just want to break 10:45 all that of your lives." 10:46 Right. Yeah. Absolutely, fear. 10:49 As a male and may be for some males 10:52 who are watching the program right now, 10:53 they're thinking "okay!" 10:55 There are guys watching too... 10:57 Thank, Pierre, that's good. 10:58 So this multiple roles as a male or as a husband, 11:01 as a father, as a brother, as an uncle, 11:04 what's some of the advice that you can share with males 11:08 who may be dealing with the woman in their lives 11:10 who are struggling with heart issues, 11:14 but how can we best support these women in our lives? 11:18 Amen, that's a great question, that is. 11:21 To me, there's several facets. 11:23 Number one, I think as a man 11:25 to make your relationship with God number one. 11:28 You know because some men say well, 11:29 I'm gonna try to fill my wife's needs 11:32 or my sister's needs or my whatever, 11:34 my mom's needs whatever. 11:36 We can't do that, only God can fill 11:39 what we need in our hearts, so while as men we can, 11:43 men can support. 11:45 That is very important but I don't think that 11:48 they can fill the role that God can do and so as a man 11:51 point the important woman in your life to Jesus. 11:54 You know point our back to the word of God, 11:56 point her back, spend time praying with her 11:58 that's been powerful in my own life. 12:00 My husband, Greg and I pray together everyday 12:03 and you know, to have such an open relationship 12:06 where I can say "hey, you know what I had a bad day today 12:09 and I'm struggling with jealousy over so and so." 12:11 And we'll say, well, let's say pray about it, 12:14 and we get down and we pray and to know 12:15 that he will lift me up before the throne of grace, 12:19 that is powerful, and one other thing I would say is to listen. 12:24 Sometimes men like to fix things and they'll say, 12:27 "You're broken, let me do some things and fix you." 12:30 And she might be saying, "Hey, I just want you to listen." 12:34 I just need a shoulder to cry on and then to know 12:37 that we can go to God together and pray about this. 12:39 If my wife is watching right now she's nodding, 12:42 "Say it, say it." 12:46 That's wonderful. 12:47 Well, we are going to take a break 12:50 and I'm going to tell you about how you can find Jill's book 12:54 because you want to get a copy of this 12:56 and if you are a gentleman who is watching, 12:59 you want to get this book for your wife. 13:01 It's a great book "Heartlift" take a listen to this 13:04 and we'll be right back. 13:05 Thank you so much. 13:09 Are you enslaved by your emotions? 13:11 Are you held back from following God, 13:14 even though your heart longs for him? 13:16 Do you doubt you can ever be truly forgiven? 13:19 Experience joy or walk in victory with Jesus, 13:23 you are not alone. 13:24 The book I hold in my hand 13:26 comes from that real broken place, 13:29 real stories of real pain, 13:31 real battles, and real victories. 13:34 Jill Morikone's candid sharing of her own struggles, 13:38 cuts to the heart of the many issues women face. 13:41 You don't have to struggle alone fighting and losing. 13:45 Your father wants to help you break free. 13:48 To get your copy of Heartlift, call 1800-765-6955. 13:55 Stop by your local Adventist book center 13:57 or order online at www.adventistbookcenter.co m. 14:06 Welcome back. 14:07 We are here today speaking with Jill. 14:09 And, Jill, and your book Heartlift. 14:12 Tell us something about Pebbles 14:16 and what happened in your experience 14:18 with who that reminded you of the way that God pursues us. 14:23 Amen, Pebbles is our kitty cat. 14:26 She's a little grey ball of fluff 14:28 and when we first adopted her 14:30 or may be I should say she adopted us. 14:32 She was a stray that found us and that God brought to us. 14:36 She was just an itty-bitty kitten and she grew up 14:39 and we just loved having her 14:41 and especially because we don't have kids, 14:42 I think you relay a little more with your pets. 14:45 And we had her probably four years 14:47 when the unthinkable happened, she disappeared. 14:51 Greg and I had traveled for 3ABN and we came home 14:53 and she wasn't there and so we went out that night 14:57 and we called and she didn't come. 15:00 And then we went to bed, Greg said 15:02 "Jilly, we can trust God with her life," 15:05 and then I'm like "Yeah, I know but I still want her home 15:08 and I want to make sure she's okay." 15:10 And we have coyotes, we live in the country, 15:12 there's coyotes, there's owls 15:14 and she could've been eaten tonight. 15:16 The next morning we woke up and she wasn't there 15:19 and Greg went into work and I went out to look for her 15:22 and I tromp in through the bushes and poison ivy 15:27 and I had to at one point I had to crawl on my hands and knees, 15:29 you know I'm looking through this forest. 15:32 The thickets and briars and dodge and deer droppings 15:35 and it was just you know, looking for her and calling 15:40 and I could not find her and I prayed 15:42 and I probably looked an hour 15:44 and then God just put a little thought in my mind 15:46 "go up this other way." 15:48 And so as I went up the field 15:49 I called again and I heard "meow." 15:53 And so I went and said "Pebby, I'm coming and I ran to her 15:57 and now I think she was abused before we had her 16:00 she did not liked to be carried or held, she was skittish. 16:03 And so I knew, she didn't want to be carried 16:05 so I though I'll just walk home and she'll follow me 16:07 but she didn't and so I went back and I picked her up 16:12 and I carried her and she didn't struggle. 16:14 She had no fight left. 16:16 All she knew is, I loved her and she wanted to go home 16:20 and across the field we went she was a dirty little cat 16:24 and I was dirty and scratched up and it was like 16:28 God spoke to my heart and said 16:30 "Jill, that is what I have done for you." 16:33 I came across the brambles and the thickets of life. 16:36 I knew that you were lost and I wanted to find you 16:40 and I picked you up and I carried you home." 16:44 And that's the beautiful thing that God wants to do 16:45 in each one of our lives. 16:47 No matter how far we feel from God, 16:49 he say "come home, I'll go find you. 16:51 I'll pick you up and I'll bring you home." 16:54 I can sense a little preacher in you 16:57 as you are telling this story. 16:58 And you-- you have referenced to your husband 17:00 a couple of times and there are some women 17:03 who may say "Well, yeah, Jill, it's easy for you 17:07 because you have this wonderful husband to support you 17:10 and to encourage you through your brokenness 17:13 but I don't have anybody, I don't have a husband, 17:17 my father abused me, my brothers weren't around." 17:20 How can I ever go from brokenness to holding this 17:24 if I don't have someone like that? 17:27 It's a very valid question, I'm so blessed 17:30 'cause Greg is so godly but you are right, 17:33 there is so many of our sisters out there who deal with abuse, 17:37 who deal with father who did them, 17:39 who deal with husband who abuses them, 17:41 who deal with may be a non-believer for a spouse 17:45 and they can't go to God in prayer, that is so true. 17:48 At times like that 17:50 I think God comes in and God is the one 17:53 ultimately who brings the healing. 17:56 You know those, that verses says, 17:57 "Your maker is your husband." 17:59 We can say, God, I don't have a husband 18:01 or my husband is not godly, will you be my husband? 18:05 God, I don't have a father or my father is not godly, 18:09 he twisted my perception of God. 18:13 Will you be my Abba, my daddy and sometimes 18:17 our perception is so twisted that we don't trust God 18:21 'cause we say, you're like the men in my life. 18:23 I don't want anything to do with you 18:25 and in cases like that, 18:27 I think the word of God is powerful 18:29 because it shows us who God really is. 18:33 It wipes away those misconceptions we have of God. 18:36 It wipes away our twisted understanding and it shows, 18:39 this is what Jesus is. 18:41 This is who God is. 18:42 He is love, He is pure, He is goodness, 18:46 He is gentleness, He is faithfulness, 18:49 and so I think that's, that's number one. 18:52 The word of God, show us who God is. 18:54 Number two, I think find other women that you can share with, 19:00 that you can reach out, 19:03 that they can pour into your life. 19:05 That's pivotal, finding godly woman. 19:08 You know, as woman we'd like to gossip 19:11 which is always not a good thing. 19:13 We'd like to uh, may be other things, 19:16 criticize those who are the, may be negative attributes 19:19 but find woman who love God. 19:21 Woman who will lift you up before the throne of grace. 19:24 You know, woman who will walk with you in this journey. 19:27 Absolutely and sometimes, 19:28 I mean, I think we need counseling. 19:30 You know, whether it's the pastor, 19:32 whether it's going to someone. 19:34 Sometimes the word of God and friends are a good thing 19:37 but sometimes, we need more. 19:38 You know, to experience-- 19:40 Godly counsel. 19:41 Godly counsel. Yeah. Absolutely. 19:43 And Solomon says, "There is wisdom in many counselors." 19:46 That's right, that's right. Yeah. 19:47 I love your point, Jill, about the importance of finding 19:51 a godly friend, a godly girlfriend. 19:54 I'm sure all of our viewers have heard of that study 19:58 that was done many years ago 20:00 where they talk about the fight and flight response. 20:04 You know, if a tiger jumped out of the bushes at you. 20:07 You know, the adrenaline kicks in 20:09 and you have the strength to fight it 20:11 or you have the strength to run away 20:13 and get away from it, turns out that, 20:16 that study was conducted mainly on men. 20:20 Really? 20:21 And I didn't know that. 20:22 They say that there is a third response 20:25 and it applies largely to women and it's called "flock," 20:32 and I just love that-- 20:33 I love that. That's true. 20:34 And I think woman naturally do this. 20:37 When we, we're stressed or we are traumatized 20:40 or something we tend to flock together 20:43 and gather together and I think that's how God made us. 20:48 There is strength, I know 20:49 I have an incredible prayer partner 20:52 and we meet once a week every week 20:55 and we pray for one another, we pray for our churches, 20:58 we pray for our families, you know, our husbands. 21:02 So there is great strength to be found in a friendship 21:05 with a godly woman. 21:07 Amen. 21:08 I believe that and I have a prayer partner too. 21:09 We've been three years now praying. 21:12 You know once a week we pray together 21:13 and it makes such a difference. 21:16 As you look for a prayer partner, 21:17 as you look for someone who you could flock with, 21:19 I love that. 21:21 I think important things to look for would be 21:23 someone who's safe. 21:25 Someone that you can trust, someone who is confidential, 21:29 someone who is godly because sometimes 21:31 we can share with people and it goes everywhere 21:33 then you think "Why did I distrust you?" 21:36 You know, so it's important to look at that. 21:37 And I, that does happen more often, 21:40 probably they would care to admit with woman. 21:43 So that is very good, that's very important 21:46 to find someone who is worthy of your trust 21:50 'cause you are sharing your heart with her 21:52 and she needs to know 21:53 that she can trust her heart with you too. 21:56 Absolutely. 21:58 What about when you felt like you've been betrayed. 22:01 You share one of the experiences 22:03 in your book of overhearing, 22:04 someone who is really close to you 22:06 say some things about you that were very unkind 22:09 and they damaged you but then later on you talk about 22:12 how women need to find godly women to support them. 22:17 If you've been damaged and you're apprehensive, 22:20 how do you move past that, to learning how to trust again? 22:24 Damage happens, we live in a world of sin 22:27 and I think damage happens, sometimes purposely 22:30 and many times, not even purposely. 22:33 You know the person doesn't mean to hurt you 22:35 but for some reason you're hurt anyway so you are right, 22:38 damage happens and how do you trust. 22:41 I think trust is built incrementally. 22:44 We don't immediately say, 22:46 "I'm gonna trust you, Pierre, with my life, 22:48 I just met you, right?" 22:49 So and I'm not saying that you're not a godly man 22:51 but it's important to learn who somebody is and so... 22:56 I think as you get to know someone in a social setting. 22:59 You know, may be it's then you say, 23:01 "Oh, could we pray together?" 23:03 And offer to pray with them and then see what happens. 23:06 Trust them with something in the beginning 23:07 and then find out do they betray that, 23:10 are they honest, are they confidential. 23:12 Trust takes time, 23:14 trust is earned, it's not given, 23:17 you know you can't just say okay, I demand this 23:20 or go to someone and say I'm going to trust you 23:22 just 'cause you look nice. 23:24 You know, you have to get to know somebody 23:26 so I think that's important. 23:30 When you are dealing with people who have hurt you, 23:34 at times it's easier to accept 23:38 forgiveness from God 23:40 than it is to pay it for in some respects 23:45 and the times where you were struggling 23:46 with the people you had to forgive. 23:48 How was God dealing with you 23:50 as you were trying to deal with them? 23:52 That's a great question. 23:54 I think every experience we go through in life, 23:57 God wants to teach us something. 23:59 And so every time when something like that happens, 24:03 when there is pain, when there is a rub 24:05 you know, iron sharpens iron. 24:06 There's something between you and someone else, 24:08 go to God that's what I always do. 24:10 Go to God, God, what do you want to change in me? 24:14 Is there honesty? 24:15 Is there truth in what they've said? 24:17 Is there something that you want to grow in me? 24:20 How do you want to change me? 24:22 And then, God, is there something that you're saying, 24:25 "Okay, Jill, let that go, that's not really an issue." 24:28 And then God says "I want you to learn to love." 24:30 I want you to learn to love this person as I do. 24:33 I want you to learn to forgive 24:34 so many different ways that God works with us. 24:37 Unfortunately, 24:38 we are out of time in our program. 24:41 We've enjoyed our conversation with you. 24:43 Could you may be in 30-45 seconds, 24:45 look into the camera and for the woman out there 24:47 who are this heart damage is real for them 24:52 and they are trying to find their way out. 24:54 How would you encourage them? 24:55 Oh, yes, I'd love to. 24:57 I don't know where you are 24:58 right now in your journey with Jesus. 25:01 May be you'd say, "I'm feeling far from God 25:03 and I'm hiding in the brambles and thickets." 25:05 May be there is damage, 25:07 there is pain from as we talked about 25:09 from a parent, from a spouse, from something else, 25:13 from something somebody said. 25:15 May be there is fear, may be there is sadness 25:18 and you are going through the loss of a loved one 25:20 or may be you're experiencing children 25:24 who are walking away from God and your greatest desire is 25:27 that they would come back to God. 25:28 Whatever your pain, 25:30 know that the Lord Jesus loves you. 25:33 Right now He says, come home my daughter, 25:36 I want to bring you back to myself. 25:39 I want to forgive you, I want to cleanse you, 25:42 I want to restore the broken relationship 25:45 between you and myself. 25:47 Know that God loves you 25:49 that He wants to pour in the oil of His comfort 25:51 and His Holy Spirit 25:54 into your heart and into your life. 25:56 So my counsel to you is to go to the word of God, 25:59 open it up, start with the gospels, 26:02 find out about who Jesus is, look at how much He loves you. 26:07 I would also encourage you to spend time in prayer 26:10 and to seek out Godly women, 26:12 seek out someone that you can pray with, 26:15 someone that can encourage you in your journey with Jesus, 26:20 know that we love you here at 3ABN as well 26:23 and that we will be praying for you in this journey. 26:27 Jill, we thank you so much for sharing some insides 26:30 from your book "Heartlift" and one of the things 26:32 that Jill's story and her book remind us, 26:36 is that God crawls many times, 26:38 crawls inside of our brokenness, 26:40 He doesn't call us from a distance 26:42 but He crawls inside of it, with us and leads us out of it 26:47 by His power. 26:48 This has been another episode of "Stones of Remembrance." 26:51 I'm Pierre Quinn 26:52 and from my co-host Karen Pearson, 26:54 we thank you for joining us 26:56 and we'll see you next time, take care. 26:58 Thank you. 27:29 Ellen G. 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