Hello, I'm Karen Pearson
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and I'm here today with
my co-host Pierre Quinn.
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Hey Pierre. You're
welcome. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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We're here together to
bring you another episode
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of "Stones of Remembrance."
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The program where we visit
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with one of
your favorite authors
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and look at some of
their life experiences
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that helped to shape them
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and the message we
find in their books.
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You know, so
often as we pass through
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some of life's deep
waters just as Joshua did
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in leading the children
of Israel through the Jordan.
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We can meet with
some unexpected blessings
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that can determine the future
direction of our entire lives,
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but before I
introduce you to today's guest,
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I want to share something
with you from the word.
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I'm reading from the Psalms 147,
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"Praise the Lord for it's
good to sing praises to our God,
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for it is pleasant
and praise is becoming.
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The Lord builds up Jerusalem,
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He gathers the
outcasts of Israel,
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He heals the broken hearted
and He binds up their wounds."
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I just love this passage
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and I know that our
guest today does too.
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Welcome to the
program, Jill Morikone.
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Thank you so much
for having me, Karen.
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And Pierre, it's
a joy to be here.
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Thank you.
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Jill, I know that
you are no stranger
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to 3ABN
audiences around the world.
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Uh, you do so
much and we all know
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and appreciate your beautiful,
beautiful artistry on the piano
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and your ministry through music,
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but is there anything
else that you've done or been
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that you'd like to
share with the audience
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that we may not know about you?
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That's a good
question. I love music.
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You know, music was
my passion growing up
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and I loved just sharing music,
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sharing that gift
with other people.
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I taught music for 10
years at our local church school
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and then started working at 3ABN
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here a year and a half ago.
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So music, music's a big part
of my life and the word of God.
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Yeah. Yes,
good. Thank you, Jill.
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We are gonna be looking
at your book "Heartlift,"
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that you've
recently had published.
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And in your book
you begin with a story
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about a young girl called Megan.
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You discovered
something about Megan one day
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that was really
disturbing for you;
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could you share that with us?
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Absolutely, you know, it began,
my first year of teaching,
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I was a brand new teacher
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and you know,
you're innocent and naive
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and not sure what to expect,
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and I had come from a
fairly sheltered background
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and Megan was a beautiful girl.
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Blond hair, just perfect
skin, just the type of girl
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you think would be
popular in high school.
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But she was always a loner
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and she was always
kind of kept her, herself
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and one day I discovered
that she had been cutty.
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And it was my first
experience to even actually
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you know, have contact
with someone who cut and she...
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Jill, Jill, could you just
explain for some of our viewers
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who may not know what that is,
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could you
explain what cutting is?
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I know it's a
real problem today.
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It is, absolutely it is.
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And we see it so
much in the young people
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I think it a way to, um.
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What they do is, they actually
cut themselves a lot of times
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it's on the arms or the
legs or different places,
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I think it's a way
to release the pain
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that's bottled up
inside and you don't know
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how to get rid of it
and what to do about it
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and so if you
kind of have pain here,
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it almost takes away
from the pain inside.
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Wow!
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And so she was
cutting and some people cut
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and they make
slashes with a knife
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or with other
instruments in their skin
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but she had cut the word "Help."
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Wow!
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H- E- L- P, it was on
her arm and when I saw that,
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I thought so many
months I've seen her
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and she's been a loner
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and she's been a
little apart from the kids
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but I was so
busy as a new teacher
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and so stressed
with all of that,
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that I have not
taken time to seek her out
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and to try to help her
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and that was a
rebuke to my own heart.
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But just to realize
the pain in her heart
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and how God wanted
to bring her healing.
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Yeah. Yes.
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We encounter people
every day and what is it
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and you mention some things
but what is it about our lives
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that makes us either ignore
or just simply overlook the pain
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or struggles that
other people are facing?
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That's a great question Pierre,
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you know, so many times
I think it's human nature.
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At least in my own experiences,
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human nature to be self
centered or self-focused.
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I think about myself
and my problems and my life
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and may be my friends,
but I think it takes God
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to break down those walls
and those barriers in our hearts
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to open up our eyes
to see what is going on
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in other people's
lives and to see the need,
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to see the pain,
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to see how God wants to
bring healing to other people.
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Yeah. I think only
God can break that down.
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So, what happened to Megan?
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Everyone wants to
know. Yeah. I wish.
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Do you know some
stories have a beautiful ending
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and some stories don't
and in this particular story
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the honest truth
is I do not know.
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It's one of those stories
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that I had the interaction
with her during that time,
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this was 12, 15 years ago
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and I do not know
where she is today
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or what she is doing but
I know that our father does.
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You know, He has our names
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engravened on
the palm of His hand.
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And some day, I'm
hoping and praying in heaven,
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I'm gonna meet her and
hear the rest of the story.
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Amen.
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The title of the
book is "Heartlift,"
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and okay, I'm gonna
be completely honest.
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I felt a little bit like
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I was reading maybe my
mom's or my sister's diary
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because the book is
detours towards women.
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It is.
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So I'm reading it as a male
and I'm kind of taking it all in
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and trying to,
trying to figure it out
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but I think of
heartlift, I think man
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my heart needs to get
higher than where it is.
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And you had
experiences of having a loner,
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broken heart that kind of really
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shaped where you are today.
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Can you talk about some
of those, those experiences
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that made you feel sad
or kind of broke you down?
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Um, we all have experiences.
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You know, we all go
through different pain,
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different things in our lives.
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I don't know if
this is specifically
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what you are referring
to but my husband and I,
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we've been married a few
years and we walked that journey
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and you know, most
newly married couples,
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your natural thought is
"we are gonna have kids."
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That's just kind of
the thing you think as a...
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That's the
question everybody ask.
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You grow up, you get
married, you have kids,
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that's just the
natural order of things
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and we were married a
few years when we discovered
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"we are having a
few problems here."
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And then we went to the doctor,
they sent you for more tests,
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you keep going.
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And I remember the
day when the doctor called
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and gave us the news
that we are infertile
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and he said "it's rare
or our condition is rare."
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And we just don't know why
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and there was the
click and the dial tone
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and I'm just
left standing there.
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You know, what you
do for... Devastating.
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Yeah. It was.
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At that moment in my life
it was, just the pain of...
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hopes and dreams that you have
for your life and realizing,
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this may never come to pass.
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I know that was one
of those painful moments
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and then how God wants
to look into our hearts,
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wants to pick us up.
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There is a verse in
Psalms that says "God,
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I know he heals
the broken hearts
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but he lifts us up
out of the miry clay
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and he sets our feet on a rock."
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And no matter what
experience we've been through,
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no matter what
pain, God just says come,
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come to me, I want you
to surrender that to me,
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I want to fill your
heart with peace, with joy.
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I think initially
Pierre, we had acceptance,
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well, first there was anger.
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There is pain... Yeah.
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And then we had acceptance,
may be resignation in there
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and then somewhere in
there came surrender and peace
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and then finally God
can fill your heart with joy
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and that's a beautiful thing.
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You know, we called those
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"the middle of the
river experiences,"
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those stories that
perhaps not everybody knows.
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You know,
Joshua built that altar
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right in the middle of the river
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and the waters
covered it over again
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and no one ever saw that
altar again and the Bible says
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that it's still
there to this day.
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Which is just such a beautiful
you know, figure of speech
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and an image in our minds
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and often have you
found in your life, Jill,
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that those hard things,
those things that happen
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where we feel the
waters all around us,
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are the things that
take us and shape us.
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Amen.
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And give us
compassion for someone else.
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You know, Paul tells us
God comforts us in our trouble
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so that we can in
turn extend that comfort
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to someone else
and you are so right.
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Right, so I know
that you connect so deeply
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and so beautifully with so many
people and women in particular.
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What are some of
the other struggles
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that the woman you come across
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face and are dealing with today?
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It's a great question.
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I think we as
woman, we face struggles
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that are similar to each other.
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Now of course we all have our
own variance on that struggle.
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Um, but to me one of
the big struggles is,
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who am I in Jesus?
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You know, we
have a jail ministry,
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we go Monday nights
and minister to the woman
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and so many of them just
say "God doesn't love me,
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God can't love me because of
what I have did in the past."
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We don't realize
God can forgive us,
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God can cleanse us,
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God can stand us
up as his daughters
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and so I think that's
pivotal in our experiences.
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Women just
understanding, God loves me,
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God forgives
me, God cleanses me,
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I am God's daughter so I
think, who am I in Jesus?
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Can I be forgiven?
Can I forgive others?
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Bitterness is a huge thing.
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Forgiving people for the
pain that they've inflicted
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or forgiving
something that's been done
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that was none of our
fault, may be it's abuse,
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you know, may be there's a
lot of that in people's life.
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So, I think forgiveness,
bitterness, jealousy...
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Yeah.
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As woman we are good
with the cold shoulder.
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I know.
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And God says "I
just want to break
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all that of your lives."
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Right. Yeah. Absolutely, fear.
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As a male and
may be for some males
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who are watching
the program right now,
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they're thinking "okay!"
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There are guys watching too...
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Thank, Pierre, that's good.
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So this multiple roles
as a male or as a husband,
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as a father, as a
brother, as an uncle,
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what's some of the advice
that you can share with males
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who may be dealing with
the woman in their lives
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who are
struggling with heart issues,
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but how can we best support
these women in our lives?
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Amen, that's a
great question, that is.
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To me, there's several facets.
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Number one, I think as a man
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to make your relationship
with God number one.
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You know because
some men say well,
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I'm gonna try to
fill my wife's needs
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or my sister's
needs or my whatever,
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my mom's needs whatever.
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We can't do
that, only God can fill
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what we need in our
hearts, so while as men we can,
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men can support.
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That is very
important but I don't think that
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they can fill the role
that God can do and so as a man
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point the important
woman in your life to Jesus.
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You know point our
back to the word of God,
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point her back,
spend time praying with her
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that's been
powerful in my own life.
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My husband, Greg and
I pray together everyday
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and you know, to have
such an open relationship
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where I can say "hey, you
know what I had a bad day today
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and I'm struggling with
jealousy over so and so."
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And we'll say, well,
let's say pray about it,
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and we get down
and we pray and to know
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that he will lift me up
before the throne of grace,
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that is powerful, and one other
thing I would say is to listen.
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Sometimes men like to
fix things and they'll say,
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"You're broken, let me
do some things and fix you."
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And she might be saying, "Hey,
I just want you to listen."
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I just need a shoulder
to cry on and then to know
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that we can go to God
together and pray about this.
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If my wife is watching
right now she's nodding,
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"Say it, say it."
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That's wonderful.
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Well, we are
going to take a break
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and I'm going to tell you about
how you can find Jill's book
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because you want
to get a copy of this
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and if you are a
gentleman who is watching,
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you want to get
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It's a great book "Heartlift"
take a listen to this
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and we'll be right back.
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Thank you so much.
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Are you enslaved
by your emotions?
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Are you held back
from following God,
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even though your
heart longs for him?
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Do you doubt you can
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Welcome back.
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We are here today
speaking with Jill.
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And, Jill, and
your book Heartlift.
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Tell us something about Pebbles
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and what happened
in your experience
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with who that reminded you
of the way that God pursues us.
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Amen, Pebbles is our kitty cat.
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She's a little
grey ball of fluff
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and when we first adopted her
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or may be I should
say she adopted us.
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She was a stray that found
us and that God brought to us.
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She was just an itty-bitty
kitten and she grew up
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and we just loved having her
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and especially
because we don't have kids,
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I think you relay a
little more with your pets.
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And we had her
probably four years
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when the unthinkable
happened, she disappeared.
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Greg and I had traveled
for 3ABN and we came home
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and she wasn't there and
so we went out that night
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and we called
and she didn't come.
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And then we went
to bed, Greg said
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"Jilly, we can
trust God with her life,"
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and then I'm like "Yeah, I
know but I still want her home
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and I want to
make sure she's okay."
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And we have coyotes,
we live in the country,
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there's coyotes, there's owls
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and she could've
been eaten tonight.
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The next morning we
woke up and she wasn't there
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and Greg went into work
and I went out to look for her
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and I tromp in through
the bushes and poison ivy
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and I had to at one point I had
to crawl on my hands and knees,
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you know I'm
looking through this forest.
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The thickets and briars
and dodge and deer droppings
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and it was just you know,
looking for her and calling
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and I could not
find her and I prayed
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and I probably looked an hour
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and then God just put a
little thought in my mind
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"go up this other way."
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And so as I went up the field
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I called again
and I heard "meow."
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And so I went and said "Pebby,
I'm coming and I ran to her
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and now I think she was
abused before we had her
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she did not liked to be carried
or held, she was skittish.
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And so I knew, she
didn't want to be carried
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so I though I'll just
walk home and she'll follow me
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but she didn't and so I
went back and I picked her up
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and I carried her
and she didn't struggle.
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She had no fight left.
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All she knew is, I loved
her and she wanted to go home
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and across the field we
went she was a dirty little cat
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and I was dirty and
scratched up and it was like
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God spoke to my heart and said
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"Jill, that is what
I have done for you."
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I came across the brambles
and the thickets of life.
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I knew that you were
lost and I wanted to find you
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and I picked you up
and I carried you home."
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And that's the beautiful
thing that God wants to do
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in each one of our lives.
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No matter how
far we feel from God,
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he say "come
home, I'll go find you.
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I'll pick you up and
I'll bring you home."
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I can sense a
little preacher in you
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as you are telling this story.
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And you-- you have
referenced to your husband
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a couple of times
and there are some women
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who may say "Well,
yeah, Jill, it's easy for you
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because you have this
wonderful husband to support you
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and to encourage you
through your brokenness
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but I don't have
anybody, I don't have a husband,
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my father abused me, my
brothers weren't around."
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How can I ever go from
brokenness to holding this
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if I don't have
someone like that?
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It's a very valid
question, I'm so blessed
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'cause Greg is so
godly but you are right,
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there is so many of our sisters
out there who deal with abuse,
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who deal with
father who did them,
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who deal with
husband who abuses them,
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who deal with may be a
non-believer for a spouse
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and they can't go to God
in prayer, that is so true.
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At times like that
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I think God comes
in and God is the one
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ultimately who
brings the healing.
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You know those,
that verses says,
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"Your maker is your husband."
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We can say, God, I
don't have a husband
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or my husband is not
godly, will you be my husband?
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God, I don't have a father
or my father is not godly,
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he twisted my perception of God.
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Will you be my Abba,
my daddy and sometimes
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our perception is so
twisted that we don't trust God
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'cause we say, you're
like the men in my life.
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I don't want
anything to do with you
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and in cases like that,
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I think the word
of God is powerful
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because it shows
us who God really is.
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It wipes away those
misconceptions we have of God.
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It wipes away our twisted
understanding and it shows,
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this is what Jesus is.
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This is who God is.
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He is love, He is
pure, He is goodness,
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He is gentleness,
He is faithfulness,
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and so I think
that's, that's number one.
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The word of God,
show us who God is.
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Number two, I think find other
women that you can share with,
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that you can reach out,
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that they can
pour into your life.
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That's pivotal,
finding godly woman.
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You know, as woman
we'd like to gossip
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which is always
not a good thing.
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We'd like to uh,
may be other things,
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criticize those who are
the, may be negative attributes
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but find woman who love God.
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Woman who will lift you up
before the throne of grace.
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You know, woman who will
walk with you in this journey.
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Absolutely and sometimes,
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I mean, I think
we need counseling.
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You know,
whether it's the pastor,
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whether it's going to someone.
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Sometimes the word of God
and friends are a good thing
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but sometimes, we need more.
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You know, to experience--
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Godly counsel.
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Godly counsel. Yeah. Absolutely.
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And Solomon says, "There
is wisdom in many counselors."
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That's right,
that's right. Yeah.
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I love your point, Jill,
about the importance of finding
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a godly friend,
a godly girlfriend.
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I'm sure all of our
viewers have heard of that study
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that was done many years ago
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where they talk about the
fight and flight response.
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You know, if a tiger
jumped out of the bushes at you.
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You know, the
adrenaline kicks in
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and you have the
strength to fight it
00:20:09.34\00:20:11.94
or you have the
strength to run away
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and get away from
it, turns out that,
00:20:13.64\00:20:16.64
that study was
conducted mainly on men.
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Really?
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And I didn't know that.
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They say that
there is a third response
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and it applies largely to
women and it's called "flock,"
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and I just love that--
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I love that. That's true.
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And I think woman
naturally do this.
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When we, we're
stressed or we are traumatized
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or something we
tend to flock together
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and gather together and I
think that's how God made us.
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There is strength, I know
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I have an
incredible prayer partner
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and we meet once
a week every week
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and we pray for one another,
we pray for our churches,
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we pray for our families,
you know, our husbands.
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So there is great strength
to be found in a friendship
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with a godly woman.
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Amen.
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I believe that and I
have a prayer partner too.
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We've been three
years now praying.
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You know once a
week we pray together
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and it makes such a difference.
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As you look for
a prayer partner,
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as you look for someone
who you could flock with,
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I love that.
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I think important
things to look for would be
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someone who's safe.
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Someone that you can trust,
someone who is confidential,
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someone who is
godly because sometimes
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we can share with
people and it goes everywhere
00:21:31.65\00:21:33.46
then you think "Why
did I distrust you?"
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You know, so it's
important to look at that.
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And I, that does
happen more often,
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probably they would
care to admit with woman.
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So that is very
good, that's very important
00:21:43.50\00:21:45.97
to find someone who
is worthy of your trust
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'cause you are
sharing your heart with her
00:21:50.27\00:21:52.47
and she needs to know
00:21:52.51\00:21:53.84
that she can trust
her heart with you too.
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Absolutely.
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What about when you felt
like you've been betrayed.
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You share one of the experiences
00:22:01.72\00:22:03.05
in your book of overhearing,
00:22:03.08\00:22:04.85
someone who is
really close to you
00:22:04.89\00:22:06.22
say some things about
you that were very unkind
00:22:06.25\00:22:09.89
and they damaged you but
then later on you talk about
00:22:09.92\00:22:12.83
how women need to find
godly women to support them.
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If you've been damaged
and you're apprehensive,
00:22:17.03\00:22:19.97
how do you move past that,
to learning how to trust again?
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Damage happens, we
live in a world of sin
00:22:24.87\00:22:27.84
and I think damage
happens, sometimes purposely
00:22:27.88\00:22:30.28
and many times,
not even purposely.
00:22:30.31\00:22:33.08
You know the person
doesn't mean to hurt you
00:22:33.11\00:22:35.42
but for some reason you're
hurt anyway so you are right,
00:22:35.45\00:22:38.39
damage happens
and how do you trust.
00:22:38.42\00:22:41.16
I think trust is
built incrementally.
00:22:41.19\00:22:44.73
We don't immediately say,
00:22:44.76\00:22:46.59
"I'm gonna trust
you, Pierre, with my life,
00:22:46.63\00:22:48.26
I just met you, right?"
00:22:48.30\00:22:49.63
So and I'm not saying
that you're not a godly man
00:22:49.66\00:22:51.57
but it's important to
learn who somebody is and so...
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I think as you get to know
someone in a social setting.
00:22:56.71\00:22:59.44
You know, may be
it's then you say,
00:22:59.47\00:23:01.78
"Oh, could we pray together?"
00:23:01.81\00:23:03.38
And offer to pray with
them and then see what happens.
00:23:03.41\00:23:06.11
Trust them with
something in the beginning
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and then find out
do they betray that,
00:23:07.75\00:23:10.45
are they honest,
are they confidential.
00:23:10.49\00:23:12.62
Trust takes time,
00:23:12.65\00:23:14.32
trust is earned, it's not given,
00:23:14.36\00:23:17.89
you know you can't
just say okay, I demand this
00:23:17.93\00:23:20.20
or go to someone and
say I'm going to trust you
00:23:20.23\00:23:22.66
just 'cause you look nice.
00:23:22.70\00:23:24.03
You know, you have
to get to know somebody
00:23:24.07\00:23:26.77
so I think that's important.
00:23:26.80\00:23:30.27
When you are dealing
with people who have hurt you,
00:23:30.31\00:23:34.81
at times it's easier to accept
00:23:34.84\00:23:38.55
forgiveness from God
00:23:38.58\00:23:40.22
than it is to pay
it for in some respects
00:23:40.25\00:23:45.29
and the times
where you were struggling
00:23:45.32\00:23:46.82
with the people
you had to forgive.
00:23:46.86\00:23:48.52
How was God dealing with you
00:23:48.56\00:23:50.43
as you were
trying to deal with them?
00:23:50.46\00:23:52.43
That's a great question.
00:23:52.46\00:23:54.50
I think every experience
we go through in life,
00:23:54.53\00:23:57.30
God wants to teach us something.
00:23:57.33\00:23:59.90
And so every time when
something like that happens,
00:23:59.93\00:24:02.97
when there is
pain, when there is a rub
00:24:03.00\00:24:05.27
you know, iron sharpens iron.
00:24:05.31\00:24:06.71
There's something
between you and someone else,
00:24:06.74\00:24:08.81
go to God that's
what I always do.
00:24:08.84\00:24:10.68
Go to God, God, what do
you want to change in me?
00:24:10.71\00:24:14.45
Is there honesty?
00:24:14.48\00:24:15.82
Is there truth in
what they've said?
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Is there something
that you want to grow in me?
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How do you want to change me?
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And then, God, is there
something that you're saying,
00:24:22.19\00:24:25.63
"Okay, Jill, let that go,
that's not really an issue."
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And then God says "I
want you to learn to love."
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I want you to learn to
love this person as I do.
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I want you to learn to forgive
00:24:33.47\00:24:34.80
so many different ways
that God works with us.
00:24:34.84\00:24:37.47
Unfortunately,
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we are out of
time in our program.
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We've enjoyed our
conversation with you.
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Could you may be
in 30-45 seconds,
00:24:43.38\00:24:45.61
look into the camera
and for the woman out there
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who are this heart
damage is real for them
00:24:47.62\00:24:52.15
and they are trying
to find their way out.
00:24:52.19\00:24:54.02
How would you encourage them?
00:24:54.06\00:24:55.46
Oh, yes, I'd love to.
00:24:55.49\00:24:57.13
I don't know where you are
00:24:57.16\00:24:58.59
right now in your
journey with Jesus.
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May be you'd say,
"I'm feeling far from God
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and I'm hiding in the
brambles and thickets."
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May be there is damage,
00:25:05.43\00:25:07.07
there is pain
from as we talked about
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from a parent, from a
spouse, from something else,
00:25:09.34\00:25:12.97
from something somebody said.
00:25:13.01\00:25:15.21
May be there is fear,
may be there is sadness
00:25:15.24\00:25:18.01
and you are going
through the loss of a loved one
00:25:18.05\00:25:19.98
or may be you're
experiencing children
00:25:20.02\00:25:24.02
who are walking away from
God and your greatest desire is
00:25:24.05\00:25:27.06
that they would
come back to God.
00:25:27.09\00:25:28.72
Whatever your pain,
00:25:28.76\00:25:30.53
know that the
Lord Jesus loves you.
00:25:30.56\00:25:33.43
Right now He says,
come home my daughter,
00:25:33.46\00:25:36.16
I want to bring
you back to myself.
00:25:36.20\00:25:39.47
I want to forgive
you, I want to cleanse you,
00:25:39.50\00:25:42.60
I want to restore
the broken relationship
00:25:42.64\00:25:45.74
between you and myself.
00:25:45.77\00:25:47.68
Know that God loves you
00:25:47.71\00:25:49.04
that He wants to pour
in the oil of His comfort
00:25:49.08\00:25:51.68
and His Holy Spirit
00:25:51.71\00:25:54.22
into your heart
and into your life.
00:25:54.25\00:25:56.42
So my counsel to you is
to go to the word of God,
00:25:56.45\00:25:59.89
open it up,
start with the gospels,
00:25:59.92\00:26:02.19
find out about who Jesus is,
look at how much He loves you.
00:26:02.22\00:26:07.40
I would also encourage
you to spend time in prayer
00:26:07.43\00:26:10.00
and to seek out Godly women,
00:26:10.03\00:26:12.67
seek out someone
that you can pray with,
00:26:12.70\00:26:15.14
someone that can encourage
you in your journey with Jesus,
00:26:15.17\00:26:19.97
know that we love
you here at 3ABN as well
00:26:20.01\00:26:23.55
and that we will be
praying for you in this journey.
00:26:23.58\00:26:27.88
Jill, we thank you so
much for sharing some insides
00:26:27.92\00:26:30.69
from your book "Heartlift"
and one of the things
00:26:30.72\00:26:32.95
that Jill's story
and her book remind us,
00:26:32.99\00:26:36.76
is that God crawls many times,
00:26:36.79\00:26:38.63
crawls inside of our brokenness,
00:26:38.66\00:26:40.93
He doesn't call
us from a distance
00:26:40.96\00:26:42.63
but He crawls inside of it,
with us and leads us out of it
00:26:42.66\00:26:47.20
by His power.
00:26:47.24\00:26:48.57
This has been another episode
of "Stones of Remembrance."
00:26:48.60\00:26:51.41
I'm Pierre Quinn
00:26:51.44\00:26:52.77
and from my
co-host Karen Pearson,
00:26:52.81\00:26:54.64
we thank you for joining us
00:26:54.68\00:26:56.01
and we'll see you
next time, take care.
00:26:56.04\00:26:57.98
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