Participants: Karen Pierson & Pierre Quinn (Host), Jerry D. Thomas
Series Code: SOR
Program Code: SOR000004A
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00:24 Hello, I'm Karen Pearson
00:27 and I'm here today with my co-host Pierre Quinn. 00:29 Hi, Pierre. Hi. Karen. 00:30 And we're here to bring you another episode 00:33 of 'Stones of Remembrance'. 00:35 The program where we visit 00:36 with one of your favorite authors 00:38 and look at some of their life experiences 00:40 that helped to shape them 00:41 and the message found in their books. 00:44 So often, we pass through life's 00:46 deep waters just as Joshua did 00:48 and leading the children of Israel through the Jordan. 00:51 And we can meet some unexpected blessings 00:53 that will determine the whole future direction of our lives. 00:57 Before I introduce you to today's guest, 01:00 I'd like to share something from you with from the word. 01:04 I'm reading from Matthew chapter 5. 01:07 "And when he saw the multitudes, 01:09 he went up on the mountains 01:11 and after he sat down his disciples came to him 01:14 and opening his mouth he began to teach them saying, 01:19 'Blessed are the poor in spirit, 01:21 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 01:24 Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. 01:28 Blessed are the gentle, 01:30 for they shall inherit the earth. 01:32 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, 01:36 for they shall be satisfied.' 01:40 " Our guest today knows a lot about those words. 01:43 He's spent a lot of time 01:44 in that portion of the scriptures 01:46 and I'd like to welcome Jerry D Thomas to our program. 01:51 Hi, Jerry, welcome. Thank you. 01:54 Jerry, you are vice president 01:56 at Pacific Press for product development. 01:59 Right. 02:01 What else can you tell us about yourself, just in a nutshell? 02:04 Well, I've been both pastor and a teacher 02:08 besides being involved in the publishing work. 02:12 I was the communication director 02:14 for the Southwestern Union for a number of years. 02:17 But mostly what I have to claim... 02:21 great fun is four or my four grand children. 02:24 Yeah. 02:25 And of course, the children that produced them 02:27 who are still important. 02:29 Oh, that's awesome. 02:30 Now talking about children, you grew up on a farm 02:33 in East Texas, is that correct? 02:35 That's right, that's right. It wasn't a farm, not a ranch. 02:38 We had cows not horses 02:41 and I can still milk a cow by hand. 02:44 Well, that's a skill you don't hear a lot of, very often. 02:48 And you grew up as a pastor's kid, didn't you? 02:51 Yes, my father pastured in a number of churches 02:53 in around Texas while I was growing up. 02:57 I think some people maybe, 03:00 perhaps have the mistaken notion 03:03 that if you grow up in a pastor's home, 03:06 um, you're on the inside track 03:08 as far as your spirituality, your walk with Jesus. 03:13 What was your experience of that, Jerry? 03:17 Well, it's certainly true that 03:20 a pastor's child in a pastor's home, 03:22 you're exposed to more religion perhaps than other people 03:26 both at home, many times and certainly all the meetings 03:30 you get to go, too many, you want to or not. 03:32 But there's also a very difficult element 03:36 of somehow God's work always comes first 03:41 and as a child that can be hard to process, 03:44 to understand, you know. 03:46 And if a child grows up feeling like 03:48 they're never were truly given the love or the priority 03:52 they should've had and it's all God's fault. 03:55 Then sometimes you find a resistance 03:57 against things of God in the future. 03:59 Yes, a disconnect they are from their relationship, 04:03 but couldn't been too bad because 04:04 you went on to become a pastor. 04:07 No, no, my father and mother did a wonderful job. 04:12 Yeah. They did. 04:13 Yeah. 04:14 So, you're back at Pacific Press 04:16 because you were there a time or two before, weren't you? 04:19 Yes, yes, I keep coming back. 04:21 I tell people I've to go back and keep an eye on my boys. 04:25 Are they like you're children, Jerry? 04:26 They are, I've put many hours into creating these 04:30 and while my wife probably 04:32 wouldn't recognize the similarity... 04:35 there is something about that. 04:37 And talking about you're books, 04:38 you've written a few, haven't you? 04:40 Yes, more that 40 now. Wow. 04:44 That's incredible, incredible, more than 40 books. 04:47 And how many children stories have you written? 04:51 Hundreds probably? 04:53 Hundreds, yes, I think the last time 04:54 I added them up they were just about 400 stories... 04:57 Wow. That's incredible. 04:59 That's so... 05:01 It's remarkable to me because 05:02 I never sat out to write anything for children. 05:05 Well, that wasn't one of my goals. 05:07 But apparently, there was another plan in operations... 05:10 Yes, and your books have gone on to sell millions of copies, 05:14 Jerry, around the world. 05:16 And you are the most prolific children's writer 05:21 in Adventist literature, is that right? 05:23 I think so, I think so today. 05:25 There is certainly writers in our history that have, 05:28 whose stories that had lived forever it seems. 05:31 The unclad stories... Right. 05:32 Are still with us, and still treasured. 05:35 But in total I don't know, I've written a lot of them. 05:39 It's true... 05:41 What gives you that ability to keep seeing things 05:43 through the lens or through the eyes of a child? 05:46 The most important thing to me is that you have to have... 05:52 you have to have access to a child's world. 05:54 I wrote most of my children's materials 05:57 while my children were growing up 05:59 because after they're gone from home, 06:03 if you don't spend time around children. 06:04 You don't know, you lose the voice, 06:07 you can't hear how they normally talk. 06:09 You don't remain involved 06:11 in the way they look at the world 06:12 if you don't spend time with them. 06:13 And children today don't speak the way we spoke 06:16 as when we were children. 06:17 It changes, doesn't it? 06:18 It does change and if I tried to pass off books 06:23 for my grand children that sounded the same 06:25 as the ones that I wrote for my children, 06:27 they probably wouldn't come off quiet as well. 06:29 Yeah, Jerry, in 2001, you took on, 06:34 what you have described 06:36 as being one of your greatest challenges. 06:38 When it comes to writing something, 06:42 tell us a little bit about that project. 06:45 Well, as I mentioned, 06:47 I was a teacher for a number of years. 06:48 I taught religion at the high school level 06:51 and that because it was an Adventist school... 06:54 part of our assignment 06:56 as we studied the life of Jesus, 06:58 was to read the book 06:59 "Desire of Ages" by Ellen White. 07:01 Beautiful book filled with truth 07:04 and of course a wonderful presentation 07:06 of the line of Jesus. 07:08 So, I would give these students this assignment, 07:09 read these pages from "Desire of ages" 07:12 and then we'll discuss it, you know, the next class. 07:15 We'll ask for you to respond in some way to what you've read. 07:19 And what I found out mostly 07:21 was it that they didn't understand what they read. 07:23 Hmm. 07:24 And so we ended up taking most classes with me 07:26 going through those sections with them, 07:28 so I could interpret as we went. 07:32 And it struck me at that time, 07:34 that what we needed was a version of that story, 07:37 of that book, 07:38 that these teenagers could actually 07:40 pick up and read and understand. 07:42 Because of course, they were reading a book 07:43 that was written in the previous century. 07:45 Mh-hmm. Right, right. 07:47 And as beautiful as Victorian prose can be... 07:52 it is not the same way we write or speak today. 07:56 And the differences 07:58 should not stand in the way of understanding, 08:00 of participating in the story of Jesus. 08:03 And what's the importance then of having 08:06 these crucial truths in a language 08:09 or in a manner that you can grasp or understand? 08:13 Well, it's so important to be able to engage 08:17 the story of Jesus yourself. 08:19 If you have to relay on someone else 08:21 to tell you about it 08:22 as I was doing in the class room, 08:25 you certainly get a blessing from that, 08:26 but it's not the same. 08:29 And I discovered as I agitated for this kind of project, 08:34 which I did for about ten years. 08:36 There were many people 08:38 who never actually read all the way through this 08:41 "Desire of Ages" book. 08:42 Because of the difficulty of the language... 08:44 Not just teenagers. 08:45 Not just teenagers. Mh-hmm. 08:47 People who didn't have a strong religious background 08:50 or sometimes confused by it, 08:51 people for whom English is not their first language 08:53 struggled with it a great deal. 08:55 And frankly, many of us 08:57 just don't read it that level on a normal basis. 09:00 We have Bibles and in a more common English... 09:04 Mh-hmm. 09:05 Many of us aren't comfortable with the King James Version 09:08 if that's all we have to turn to 09:10 for meaning and understanding... 09:12 and in many ways like the King James Version, 09:14 "Desire of Ages" itself is, the language is beautiful... 09:18 I love, I have said many times, 09:21 there are quotations from 'Desire of Ages' 09:24 that I like much better in the original 09:26 than in the way I changed... 09:27 Yeah. 09:28 Because of the beauty, 09:30 but beauty is different than understanding. 09:31 Right, here we have this beautiful message 09:34 in the "Desire of Ages" and you felt God's calling 09:38 and leading to present it in a manner 09:41 that was more accessible to many more people. 09:44 So, as you were doing this, Jerry, 09:46 what was the response from your students? 09:48 Well, it was interesting to see that for many of them... 09:54 it was like a light dock, they could understand this 09:57 and then we could have a discussion 09:59 about what it meant, 10:00 what it meant to be a follower of Jesus, 10:02 what it meant when these events happened in his life. 10:04 Rather than explaining that they did happen, 10:07 we got to talk about why they would happen. 10:09 And to me that's what made of the difference. 10:11 What did the experience of writing 10:14 have on your personal spirituality 10:16 and in your walk with Jesus? 10:18 Well, I spent about three years going through, 10:21 you know, every sentence, every paragraph 10:24 and it was a journey, it was truly a journey. 10:26 I discovered... 10:29 that the picture I had had of Jesus was incomplete, 10:33 that was... 10:35 And you have been through seminary. 10:36 I have, and as educated 10:38 as you could almost be on some of these things and yet... 10:44 when you go through each event, sentence by sentence perhaps, 10:50 you get to connect to them more personally. 10:54 You get to see... 10:56 that's what it means, 10:57 that's what it should mean to me that... 10:59 And instead of being a sermon or song or an explanation 11:03 somebody else gave you. 11:04 Yeah. It's yours there. 11:06 Very good. 11:08 Jerry, you've told me as we've chatted that... 11:13 the work that you did on Messiah, 11:15 helped to prepare you for the second 11:18 Spirit of Prophecy book that you did. 11:21 Tell us about that book and how it helped you? 11:26 Well, after Messiah was done 11:28 and it seemed to make a difference to people 11:31 who were wanting to follow the story of Jesus, 11:34 I was anxious to do another book 11:37 again by Ellen White that focused on Jesus. 11:40 This one is called "Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing" 11:44 Mh-hmm. 11:45 And it goes through as the scripture 11:46 that you've read that the sermon, 11:49 the teaching that Jesus gave that day 11:51 as he sat on the mountain top and it is in that sermon, 11:56 it's in those verses that we get the clearest picture 11:59 we have of what it really means to live as a Christian. 12:03 And I knew we needed to have that same teaching 12:07 in words people could again engage with personally. 12:10 Now, Jerry, I know that you did work 12:11 with the Ellen White Estate, how important was that, 12:17 that there was good co-operation and support there? 12:21 They were always very supportive of the project. 12:23 They are dedicated to the same idea 12:26 that young people should be ableto engage these writings 12:29 and understand these messages and... 12:32 So they were very supportive. 12:33 As I wrote, I sent completed sections to them, 12:39 they went through each one and made suggestions or changes 12:43 if they felt like there was a way to say it 12:44 that reflected the original more clearly. 12:47 They were always very supportive. 12:49 Yeah. 12:50 How did you deal with possibly overcoming times 12:53 of maybe frustration or saying, 12:55 "I don't know if I'm really the right person to do this," 12:59 you know, dealing with your own weaknesses 13:01 in a project of this size. 13:04 Well, I certainly had 13:05 the plenty of opportunity for that 13:07 because it took so long to do. 13:09 But, you know, when you, 13:13 and maybe it goes back to what you said Karen, 13:15 when God put a burden on your heart to do something, 13:19 you feel like you just have to get it done 13:21 and you hit those walls of frustration 13:24 about whether it makes sense to do this, 13:26 whether there's someone who should do this better that, 13:29 but you know, it goes back to the... 13:31 the feeling coming out of your own heart. 13:34 I have to do this; I have to get this done. 13:36 This is something I was called to do. 13:38 And haven't you found, Jerry, that 13:40 God asks us to be obedient. 13:43 Mh-hmm. 13:44 And he will take care of the rest of it? 13:46 If you persevere. Yeah. 13:48 You just have to keep going... 13:49 Yes, and that's a key factor too, isn't it? 13:52 Perseverance, hanging in there, 13:54 whether you're on a mountain top 13:56 or whether you're trying to wade 13:57 through the middle of a river. 13:59 Yeah. 14:01 We're going to take a moment to look at 14:04 how you can get a copy of Jerry's book "Blessings" 14:09 or any of his books for that matter. 14:11 So we're going to take a look at that now, don't go away. 14:13 We will be right back. Thank you so much. 14:20 In her classic "Thoughts From the Mount of Blessing" 14:22 Ellen White writes about Jesus' dynamic message to the crowd 14:26 on the mountain side. 14:27 In "Blessings", Jerry D Thomas, takes the same message 14:31 and places it in the language of today. 14:34 With sweet simplicity, 14:36 he paints a powerful picture of the sermon Jesus 14:39 spoke on the mountain side so many years ago. 14:42 By looking at Jesus, we will become like him, 14:46 our characters will be polished 14:47 and strengthened for the kingdom of heaven. 14:50 "Blessings" will give you a fresh prospective 14:53 and add a depth of meaning to a message 14:55 that is as relevant today as it was when Jesus spoke it, 15:00 to get your copy of 'Blessings' call 1800-765-6955. 15:07 Stop by your local Adventist book center or order online 15:11 at www.adventistbookcenter.com 15:22 Welcome back, we're here today with Jerry D Thomas, 15:25 the author of "Blessings" taken from Ellen White's book, 15:31 "Thoughts From the Mount of Blessing." 15:34 Jerry, the Sermon on the Mount is one of Jesus' 15:37 most quoted sermons. 15:39 People are so familiar with those words 15:42 and sometimes what happens 15:43 when we are very familiar with something, 15:46 it loses its edge, it loses its power. 15:50 Do you, did you learn anything? 15:53 What did you take away from spending hours, 15:56 hundreds of hours on that passage of scripture? 16:00 What did you learn? 16:02 What I saw in... 16:05 "Thoughts From the Mount of Blessing" 16:07 from those passages of scripture 16:11 is probably the most compact, 16:13 the most easily understandable 16:15 explanation of what it means to be a Christian, 16:18 you know, and in church talk, we spend a lot of time 16:22 with what we believe or we talk about 16:25 what prophecies might mean, we talk about religion 16:29 and a theoretical sense a great deal, 16:31 but we sometimes don't engage the fact the a religion 16:36 has to a very practical thing. 16:38 And it's this Sermon on the Mount of Jesus 16:40 where he comes down to the very practical nature 16:42 of what it means to be a Christian. 16:45 He talks about... 16:48 in their setting, how they should treat 16:50 not only their family and friends but their enemies. 16:53 How they should relate to this society around them. 16:57 And I think those are very words 16:59 we need to hear today and grasp. 17:03 Again we can make religion 17:05 so theoretical so, intellectual maybe. 17:08 That we forget that if it doesn't have a practical 17:11 edge to it if doesn't means in something 17:13 in how we live everyday, 17:14 the rest of it is just words. 17:17 Right, right. 17:19 Now, some people may think 17:21 that righteous live in this wonderful little ivory tower... 17:25 Happy, happy place. 17:26 Yes, and from their wisdom 17:28 they pour out all of these words, 17:30 but we know the reality of that, that is not true. 17:35 And because we're focusing in this program 17:38 on those experiences in the lives of our writers 17:42 that were tough and that were difficult, 17:45 maybe moments that or stories that were unseen and untold 17:50 that helped to shape the way they created their message. 17:54 Did you have any such experience in your life, Jerry, 17:57 that was may be a middle of the river experience for you? 18:02 Well, was we mentioned I've worked for the church 18:06 in one aspect for another... 18:09 all of my life now. 18:11 And you recently find yourself on occasion 18:16 where the politics of people within a church, 18:20 either at the local church 18:22 or in the larger church organization seemed to foul up 18:27 the religion part of it and it's easy 18:31 to get caught in a trap like that. 18:33 I can recall one situation where it seemed to me that 18:37 you know, if the actions, if the behavior, 18:41 if the attitudes are receding from those, 18:44 in this situation who were church leaders. 18:48 If that's what religion was, 18:50 if that's what the things we believed to let us to be 18:53 then I wasn't sure I wanted to continue down that path. 19:00 But it was this passage, the Sermon on the Mount, 19:05 going back to that. 19:07 That reminded me of what Jesus expected, 19:10 what Jesus taught if we're going to be like him. 19:14 It's about how we treat each other 19:17 and you know, you have to hold on to that 19:20 even when other people, it seems to me are... 19:24 are stepping away from what it seems like Jesus would do. 19:27 I can go back to what Jesus taught, 19:29 I can go back and say, 19:31 "Friend or enemy, neighbor or someone 19:35 on the other side of the world, 19:37 here is the example of I should related to them." 19:42 One of the frustrations that Jesus' disciples had with him 19:47 was how his methodology for dealing with people 19:49 who are opposed to him. 19:51 Mh-hmm. 19:53 When you're going through this Sermon on the Mount, 19:55 and when you're writing "Blessings", 19:57 is there a passages of the Sermon 19:59 on the Mount that you're like, "Ah, Jesus, 20:02 why did you have to say that?" 20:03 Yeah. 20:05 Now, you think of the once that we, 20:06 as you say we often quote. 20:08 Someone compels you to give them your coat, 20:11 give him your cloak also. 20:13 If someone forces you to carry their stuff for a mile, 20:16 carry it for two miles. 20:17 You know, that sounds really good, 20:19 but you think about that in practical terms... 20:24 someone holds you up on the street 20:26 and takes your wallet, 20:27 do you offer them your phone too? 20:29 Yeah. 20:32 Well, you know, the practical 20:34 real world application of some of those things, 20:35 it's sometimes hard to wrap your mind around 20:38 and particularly in a society like ours where in addition 20:42 to wanting to be the gentle, caring follower of Jesus, 20:46 we must also be protective. 20:48 You can be kind without having people walk all over you. 20:52 Right. Mh-hmm. 20:53 You can do the right thing 20:55 without being taken advantage of. 20:56 But finding the balance in that is... 20:58 Yes. 20:59 Is sometimes hard to do. 21:01 And I've found it's especially hard to explain to children, 21:04 where that line drawn-- is drawn. 21:06 And sometimes it makes us apprehensive then 21:09 to even engage as witnesses in the world 21:13 because sometimes it feels much safer. 21:15 Let me stay in the theoretical portion 21:18 and not live in the practical sense. 21:19 That's right. 21:21 It's easier to just drive by those homeless people... 21:24 I mean, what would Jesus do while I know he wouldn't invite 21:26 for supper so I better keep going. 21:30 But that is where real life is, isn't it Jerry? 21:34 Real life is messy sometimes. It is. 21:37 Being part of a family. Yeah. 21:39 Is messy, sometimes. 21:40 And being part of a church family can be messy too. 21:44 And I know that sometimes our deepest heartaches 21:47 come from the ones that we love the most. 21:49 And sometimes that includes our church family. 21:52 So, have you ever found yourself 21:56 going back to your book, 21:57 now that it's not just an idea in your head 22:01 or a half completed manuscript on your computer? 22:04 Do you pull out that book and underline it again 22:08 and be encouraged in God's word? 22:11 I suppose I have an advantage 22:13 in the sense that I have over... 22:16 the original in on my computer, I have my notes on it, 22:20 I have what I wrote, you know, 22:22 and I have gone back to that thinking, 22:25 "Okay, now let's boil this down, 22:28 what does this really mean." 22:30 And again the ability to turn to that sermon, 22:36 to that passage 22:37 and see again what Jesus held up 22:40 as the, as who we could be. 22:42 If we truly wanted to follow him. 22:44 Yes, I love the way that you say, 22:48 the essence of what it means to be a Christian 22:50 or Christ follower is shown in how we treat one and other. 22:55 One and other. That's right. 22:57 What's the tension between, you know, as a pastor, 23:01 you preach about this Sermon on the Mount as a teacher 23:04 you explain it to your students as an author 23:07 you attempt to illustrate it with words, 23:09 but then as a man you have to, 23:12 you're called to live it. 23:14 How do you balance or reconcile that tension? 23:19 You know, like so much else in life. 23:24 It comes down to what it really means to you to be a follower. 23:28 It's-- all of us have those occasions 23:30 when we do the right thing 23:32 because there's a lot of people watching. 23:33 Yeah. 23:35 You know, we're careful how we drive 23:36 perhaps in the church parking lot... 23:39 we don't want to offend our fellow members, 23:42 but on the freeway, you know, stand back. 23:46 You know, it struck me the other day 23:48 I was at a grocery store 23:51 and I had taken my stuff to the car 23:53 and unloaded all the bags in 23:56 and the cart return thing was way over there 24:00 and there was a, you know, 24:01 an empty space right next to me, 24:03 I could just leave the cart there and go. 24:06 And I thought, you know, if I were just driving in 24:11 and this cart was where I wanted to park 24:13 I would be unhappy about that. 24:15 Shouldn't I treat the next person coming 24:17 like I would want to be treated. 24:19 But that's what really what it comes down to as a person. 24:21 Do you take the time to do the right thing, 24:25 the kind thing, the thoughtful thing 24:27 or do you just rush on about your own day 24:29 because you're the most important person 24:31 you know anyway? 24:32 And we're all in such a hurry. 24:33 We are. It is true. 24:35 Unfortunately, we are out of time, 24:38 so we just want to ask you as we close this program. 24:40 If you could look into the camera 24:42 and share with someone who's watching, 24:44 especially if they are reading through the Sermon on the Mount 24:46 or reading a copy of your book. 24:48 They come across something like Jesus said that's tough. 24:52 How do we get through that? 24:56 I would encourage any of us who studied the words of Jesus, 25:00 who are, who follow Jesus... 25:04 to consider the Sermon on the Mount especially 25:06 because that's where we learn that 25:09 what being a Christian really means like Karen said, 25:11 "The essence of Christianity is in how we treat each other." 25:16 Sermon on the Mount is full of 25:19 how we should treat the Roman soldiers, 25:20 how we should treat the Pharisees, 25:22 how we should treat the poor and needy around us. 25:25 It really comes down to how we treat each other. 25:28 If do not have a Christianity, 25:31 a heart relationship with God... 25:35 that makes us a kind person 25:38 then we really don't have anything. 25:40 The ability to quote scripture that's make you a Christian, 25:43 the ability to understand prophecy, 25:46 the ability to give vast amounts in offering, 25:49 none of these things make you a follower of Jesus. 25:52 Follower of Jesus is the person who's kind, 25:57 not just to those who can be kind to them, 25:59 but to everyone they meet. 26:02 Thank you, Jerry, for sharing a part of your story with us. 26:05 We've been sitting down and having a conversation 26:08 with Jerry D Thomas on this episode of Stones 26:11 of Remembrance and listening to Jerry's story, 26:14 we are reminded that God is calling us to do things 26:18 often times that are counter to our culture, 26:21 so when we read through the Sermon on the Mount 26:23 or we read through Jerry's book 26:25 often times we encounter statements 26:27 that seem, "Man, I can't do this." 26:30 But a blessing in it is that Jesus is not calling us 26:33 to doing it on our own. 26:35 He's calling us to take up the mantel under His power. 26:39 This has been another episode of Stones of Remembrance 26:42 and I'm Pierre Quinn for my co-host, Karen Pierson, 26:45 we thank you taking a few minutes 26:47 and tuning into us 26:49 and we ask that you to stay tuned 26:50 for our next episode with your favorite author. 26:53 Take care and we'll see you next time. 27:30 More then 100 years ago, 27:32 Ellen White penned the "Desire of Ages" 27:34 a classic volume on the life of Jesus 27:37 that has been a source of 27:38 inspiration to millions of readers around the world. 27:42 Messiah was written by Jerry D. Thomas 27:45 and is a contemporary adaptation of 27:46 Mrs. White's great work. 27:48 It amplifies the beautiful message of the original, 27:52 while making it easier to understand. 27:55 The sharing edition from Messiah 27:57 takes selections from Messiah, from Jesus' birth, early life, 28:01 and ministry to the closing scenes of His life on earth. 28:05 It's a great way to introduce friends and neighbors to Jesus. 28:09 Excellent for evangelistic meetings. 28:11 Quantity pricing is available. 28:14 To get your copy of Messiah sharing edition, 28:17 call 1-800-765-6955. 28:21 Stop by your local Adventist Book Center 28:24 or order online at www.AdvenitstBookCenter.com |
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