Hello, I'm Karen Pearson,
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and I'd like to welcome
you to Stones of Remembrance,
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a program based
on Joshua 4:8 and 9.
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I'd like to read from
the word for you right now.
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"And thus the sons of
Israel did as Joshua commanded,
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and took up twelve stones
from the middle of the Jordan,
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just as the
Lord spoke to Joshua,
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according to the number of
tribes of the sons of Israel,
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and carried them over
with them to the lodging place
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and put them down there.
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Then Joshua set up twelve stones
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in the middle of the Jordan
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at the place where
the feet of the priests
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who carried the
ark were standing,
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and they are there to this day.
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We're all familiar
with the story of Joshua
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taking the twelve stones
from the middle of the river
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and setting up an
altar in Gilgal as a memorial
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to God's miraculous
holding back of the river.
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But we may not be as familiar,
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with the altar that Joshua
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set up in the
middle of the Jordan,
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right where the
priests were standing.
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Once the waters
returned to flowing downstream,
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the altar on the river bed
remained hidden and unseen.
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In each episode of
Stones of Remembrance,
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we'll be talking with
one of your favorite authors.
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And as they share their stories,
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I'd like you to
think of their books,
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as being like the
altar, Joshua built in Gilgal.
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They build their
books, word by word,
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chapter by chapter,
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we hold their
books in our hands,
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and were reminded
of what God has done.
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But what about the
altar that is unseen.
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The altar that is in
the middle of their river.
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What are the untold stories
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that helped to
shape their message
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and give the right to
their passion for sharing Jesus?
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This is what we'll be looking at
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in Stone of Remembrance.
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You may be passing through
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some deep waters
of your own right now.
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And so we
invite you to sit back,
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be encouraged as you listen,
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to some stories of
God's love and leading,
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as we catch a glimpse
of some hidden altars.
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I have the privilege of
working at Pacific Press,
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and one of my favorite
things that I ever get to do,
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is to work with our authors.
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But before I
introduce you to today's guest,
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I would like you to
meet my co-host and friend,
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Pierre Quinn.
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Pierre why don't you tell
us a little about yourself.
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Sure, Karen, as you
know, I'm pastoring in Kentucky
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for the South
Central Conference,
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I think it's safe to say
especially with your help,
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I'm an aspiring
Pacific Press author.
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Amen.
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Thank you so much, Pierre.
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I'd like to share something,
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for a moment with
you from the word.
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"And you will seek me
and you will find me,"
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says Jeremiah,
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"When you search for
me with all your heart,
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and I will be found by
you" declares the Lord.
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"And I will
restore your possessions,
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and restore your fortunes,
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and I will gather
you from all the nations
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and from all the places
where I have driven you.
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And I will bring you back,
to the place where I sent you."
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I love this passage and I know
that today's guest does too.
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I'd like to welcome to
the program, Kay Rizzo.
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Welcome Kay.
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I'm glad to be here.
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Thank you so much.
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Kay, I know that
you are a very much
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in demand
women's ministry speaker.
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You have spoken
from Maine to Hawaii,
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and all over the
place, all over the world.
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Why don't you
tell us a moment...
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for a moment about yourself?
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Well, I started out an
English teacher in academies,
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boarding schools,
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and I've just
always loved talking.
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When I was a first grader,
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I decided I was
gonna be a preacher.
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And then some
little smart Alex says
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"You can't,
because you're a girl."
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And so I said, "Well, you know,
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teachers talk almost as
much, may be I'll be a teacher."
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And then it... it switched,
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life changes, and
I started writing.
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Well, that's
awesome. We're glad you did.
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Mm-hmm, very much so.
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I also know Kay
that you've been married
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to the love of your
life, Richard, for 51 years.
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Is that right? Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
Still... still in love?
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Yeah, we didn't know
it's gonna be so good.
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That's awesome.
That's wonderful.
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Kay is also a prolific writer.
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How many books?
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Fifty books.
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Fifty books to her name.
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There are not many
authors who can say that Kay,
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that is a real milestone.
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And we are, um,
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we're gonna take a
look, at your 50th book.
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Okay.
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That's the book that
we're gonna look at today,
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the Prodigal Daughter.
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Interesting title. Yeah.
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The Prodigal
Daughter, not The Prodigal Son.
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So, tell us about
The Prodigal Daughter?
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Well, the story was told
to me by the daughter's aunt.
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So, this is a true story?
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This is a true story
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that minor details
have been changed to,
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protect the
guilty and the innocent.
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And it happened in California.
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And as you're going
through, you keep saying,
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"No, this cant possibly..."
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But it is.
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And it's well, unfortunately,
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it's happening to
hundreds of girls.
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Probably boys too,
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they think they can
make it big in Hollywood.
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And so, this is...
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but more than that,
that's just a surface story.
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The real story is
how God protected her
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even in the worst of situations.
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And he kept the parent
involved praying for her.
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So that, she was protected
and the story comes from
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the father's story
and then her story.
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It goes back and forth.
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And it was... it was fun
to write, it was a challenge,
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because it's a part of
life I have never experienced.
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Yes.
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And we actually
took a trip to Hollywood
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and took some
pictures down there.
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And...
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It was... it was enjoyable,
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but I got very
protective of her.
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She was very special to me
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and I didn't want
anyone criticizing her,
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because she was special.
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Yes, yes.
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And there are some
stories that you hear
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and there are stories
that are just good to be told
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from person to person.
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But then there are some things
that you hear and you're...
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you're thinking, "I
got to write this down."
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What was it about?
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Hearing this story they
said to you, you know what,
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I got to put pen to paper
or cursor to Microsoft word
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or what that feel.
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Possibly, it was just
the fact that it paralleled,
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The Prodigal Son so closely.
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And I'd never thought
about a prodigal daughter.
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And it paralleled,
it's so closely that I...
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you know, this has to be told
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'cause it's a
whole new perspective,
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on a very important story
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that every single one
of us can be involved in.
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We've all gone awry from God.
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We've all made
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the wrong choices
and poor decisions.
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Right.
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That's right and so to me,
this was the importance of it.
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Very good. Very good.
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So, Kay, tell me, as
you got into the story,
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and you started to uncover
something of what happened
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to this young girl.
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How did that make you feel?
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You've got out of
your comfort zone a bit,
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Thankful that my
daughters are grown.
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I don't have to worry about them
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going through
that sort of thing.
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But I think that,
also I became aware
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of the human
trafficking problem.
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Right at that time, we had
a band of human traffickers.
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We busted and arrested in
our little town of Visalia.
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You know and that was something
that happened in San Francisco,
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or Los Angles.
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This was not
something. The big cities.
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That's right. You
know the "Sin Cities."
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You know, but little Visalia,
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they actually had a break
in human trafficking there
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and I thought "Wow,
this is incredible."
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And so I started telling
people at church about it
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and they said "No."
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They didn't
even want to hear it.
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They said, "No, no, no, I
don't want to ear about this."
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But it's very
real that 30 minutes
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after a young person
goes, lands on the street,
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gets off a bus and lands on
the streets of L.A. Seattle,
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30 minutes, and
they're picked up by a pimp
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and cannot escape.
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Let's go back because you
said, you were telling the story
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and some people say "No, no,
no, I don't want to hear it--
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They don't want to hear.
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Why did you think,
in the Christian world,
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there is this...
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people say "Aha,"
even though this--
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the Bible is full
of sexual references
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and sexual stories.
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Why do you think
sometimes we as Christians say,
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"Let's not talk
about any of those things?"
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I think it's scary
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because it's
something you can't control.
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You know, you can
say, you can control,
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you can talk
about, the alcoholic
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or the person with this
particular vice or whatever,
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but this is
something that's out of...
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out of your reach.
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You just... you can't comprehend
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some one actually being
chained in a prostitution,
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house of prostitution.
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You just can't comprehend that.
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You think that,
"Well, somebody comes in,
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they could ask for their help."
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No it doesn't work that way
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and so I think
it's just frightening.
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At least it was
for me. Yes, yes.
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Well, the main
character in the book,
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in your take on
this parable, doesn't...
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She doesn't get off, well,
she doesn't get out of her car
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and instantly end
up in prostitution
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There is a progression.
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What can we learn
about the progression
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in our own lives,
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especially when we're dealing
with sin and bad choices,
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based on your
main character story?
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Step by step almost...
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unrelenting but
just persistent and,
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and you don't even
identify it as that.
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You know, you
think "This isn't bad,
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this isn't a problem.
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We can handle
this, I can handle this."
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And you don't realize
where it's going to lead.
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The end result, you know
the wages of sin is death.
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Whatever sin is, it's death.
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Whatever sin you're fighting,
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that's the end
result of that sin.
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We don't always take
that progression, I think.
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Yes and thank the
Lord for the father's love.
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Absolutely.
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For the love of the
praying father, she had that.
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Didn't she?
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To me that's the story. Yes.
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Because we all go astray.
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But the father that
was persistently there,
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praying for her, over her.
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And-- and following her--
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her commands of "Don't
you try to follow me to--"
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But still praying
and never letting go
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and never giving up
and that's, that's my God.
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Yes, yes. And how awesome.
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You know, there are many of
us, Kay, who go through life,
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and who don't have
a father like that.
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So to see a real life
version of the Bible story,
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coming to life is very powerful.
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Oh, I think that,
the thing to remember
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as children of
God, Christians, be...
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his children, is
that the first time around
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you might not
get the ideal father.
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But the second time,
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when you allow
yourself to be born again,
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you get the perfect father.
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That's powerful.
That's good stuff.
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I really like
that. Thank you, Kay.
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We're gonna take a
break for a moment.
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So you can find out,
how to get Kay's book.
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"A Prodigal
Daughter." We'll be right back.
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The Prodigal Daughter
is based on the true story
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of a talented young woman,
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who leaves home,
ignoring her father's tears.
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Head strong and naive,
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she is soon trapped
in the horrific world
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far different from
the fame she'd imagined.
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Just like Jesus' story
of another runaway child,
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The Prodigal Daughter
reveals the father's love
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and reminds us of how
far our heavenly father
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would go in order to redeem
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Welcome back to
Stones of Remembrance
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where we were
speaking with our guest today,
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Kay Rizzo.
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Kay, 50 books,
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a lot of stories, a lot
of Stones of Remembrance.
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Yes.
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I can't say that I
have read all 50 books, Kay.
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But I have read a lot of them.
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And I've noticed
something about your books.
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There seems to be a
couple of recurring themes,
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over rocking themes
that weave their way
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into any of the
books that you've written.
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One of them is...
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"Where is God in the situation?"
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And another one is
"Can we trust Him?"
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Can God be trusted?
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And throughout your writing
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there is an
underlying spirit of joy,
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that is so
apparent and so powerful.
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So, how do you
think that came about?
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Where did that--
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Did you ever have
a time in your life,
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where you wrestled with
"Is God in this situation?
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Or where are you God?
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And can I trust you?"
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Yes. Yes.
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When I left teaching,
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we were in a very bad
situation as a family, money.
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There was no money coming in,
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there was no job,
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our daughters were getting ready
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to go away to college.
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We didn't know how we
were gonna put them in there.
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My health went totally kaput,
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everything that's gone wrong
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happened at that time
and I remember one night,
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I sat on the sofa in
the middle of the night
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and I was--
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Now this is the little girl
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that would go to
the Sabbath school
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and when she had to
put the little heart
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up next to the picture of Jesus,
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I would push other
people's hearts away,
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so mine was closer.
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I didn't quite
have the love yet.
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But I sat there and I really,
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I-- the Lord obviously
knew my heart 'cause I said,
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"Jesus if you are real,
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you got to let me know it
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because I can't go
on with this anymore."
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And here you were a wife.
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A wife, mother,
taught for ten years.
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College age kids,
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you've been working for
the church for many years.
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Absolutely.
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So you were in your
own river, weren't you?
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Absolutely.
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You were
crossing your own Jordan.
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It's interesting when
I told a friend of mine,
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her name is Penny Wheeler
for those of you that know her.
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Yes.
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I told her what was happening,
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'cause my life
was falling apart.
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And she says, "Oh, this
is gonna make a good book."
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And I thought,
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"No, Christians don't
have that kind of problems.
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They are not gonna want
to read about depression."
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Okay, you've hand
something so important though.
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You know as Christians
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and, Pierre, I'm sure
you find this in working
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with your
church members as well.
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We think we have to
have it all together.
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Sort of that faith of the near.
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Yes. Yes.
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This painted on
view of Christianity.
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Right and but, you know,
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and it's not that
we want to pretend
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that we-- But we
just genuinely think.
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Well, Christians
don't fall apart.
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So, I won't fall apart
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and we just, we won't
knuckle our way through life
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and there is no joy.
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So how did you get through that?
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Joy.
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I started reading the Psalms
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and I started out
with the anger Psalms
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and I'm gonna step on his head
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and crush his
teeth into the ground
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and all of these things and
I was just really feeling good
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about things
that had happen to us.
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And I discovered
the beginning and end
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of almost every
single one of those Psalms
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had something
to do about praise.
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And so very slowly,
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I began to find
praise in my worship
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till I finally
got, so I highlighted
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all the praise texts
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and I found that there were--
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First of all there are lot
of different kinds of praise
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but there were 357 praise texts.
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Now that's one a day plus one.
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You know that's pretty good
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and so I decided I
am going to praise.
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I found the text in Revelation,
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that's Revelation 3 that says
"Let no man steal your crown."
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Well, I was so
angry at the people
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that had tried to
destroy us, I just said,
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they might get everything else,
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but they are not
going to get my crown.
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And so through
that I discovered praise
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and the other had to fall away,
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it wasn't necessary
and now joy is everything.
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Three hundred and fifty seven.
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That's what I
found. Sixty seven may be.
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It sounds like a devotional.
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Oh, my yes. One verse every day.
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Yes. Yes.
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So, one of the things
back to this 50th book
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that we battle within that,
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even here coming out
and part of your story
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is this tension on how,
how do I respond to God,
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because in the prodigal son
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and even in your
story, the prodigal daughter,
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you see the
character fighting with,
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she almost wants her father
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to come looking after her,
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but then the thought of it
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makes her angry sometimes.
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Why do you think that's
a reality for lot of us?
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That's a good question.
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No, I think that we are
so-- We are in a world of sin.
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And our thoughts are not clear,
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they are
muddied like muddywater.
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And you know it's not,
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the muddy water isn't our fault,
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because we're
just in a world of sin,
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and so having to deal with
the two sides of this issue
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is just part of our being,
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you know, but we
have the promises
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in like Jeremiah
29:11, that says,
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"Let that I will bless
you, I have plans for you."
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The good stuff,
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I want to give
you the good stuff.
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And if you can keep that in mind
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while you are going through
these events as a writer,
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I say, well, if a
bad thing happens,
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that's just a plot
twist in your story.
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You know, it's
going to work out right
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because God promised, He
is going to take care of us.
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He is going to see us
through and some day, some day,
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He is going to
show us what we did,
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the best video ever
and it's going to be--
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You are right. Yes.
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I wouldn't want
it any other way.
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And I think that that's for me
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what I think is
important is remembering that
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first of all God has plans.
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And then second, He
will carry it through
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and it's nice to know
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He is not going to expect
more of us that we can manage.
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Yes. That helps too.
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Yes. Yes.
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What I love about
the Jeremiah 29:11,
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is the way God says
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"I know the
plans I have for you."
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It's like don't worry
about it, I know about it.
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I got it under control.
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Kay did you ever have any other
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middle of the river experiences?
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Well, that was
probably the biggest.
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Earlier we had lost
two fathers and a son.
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And so, that was really tough
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'cause we couldn't understand
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how this would have
all happened at one time.
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Yes.
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But we also knew--
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This was before I knew
anything about praise and joy.
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And so, I went
through a real dark time
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and I would hide it.
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And I didn't like
people to come up and say,
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I understand.
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When they have four
healthy little kids over here
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that are bouncing off the walls,
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they don't have a clue
what I'm going through.
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And that would make me angry,
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and I wish they
would just not say anything
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and I got a letter
one Sabbath afternoon
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and the letter was
from a lady I had known
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when we lived in Wisconsin,
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and she says I
heard about what happened,
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I understand and I
threw it across the room.
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I didn't want to read the rest.
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And Richard said,
you gonna read this,
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and he looked at and
he says I lost three sons.
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Oh my.
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She understood.
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So, don't tell people
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they understand when they don't.
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Yes.
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You know don't,
don't say when you don't.
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You don't
really understand. Yes.
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Unless you do,
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and then you can
always say I love you.
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I'm praying for
you. I'm with you.
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I'm crying with
you if necessary.
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But don't say you understand.
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Or even to say, I
know I don't understand.
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But I'm so sorry,
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the pain that you
are going through.
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And I think, we
feel like we have to--
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Yes.
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Turn a praise to
make them feel better
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or alleviate the struggle
that they are going through.
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And it becomes
a cliche. It does.
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And it makes you angry.
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Yes. Yes. Yeah.
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So, as you're
looking at the, you,
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the current version of you.
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How would you footnote
that section of your life
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where in you everything
was kind of falling apart,
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you had all these questions.
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Now, looking back on
it, how do you remember it?
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How would you note it?
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Well, that's an easy one
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because as I look back
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there is not a
thing I would change.
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Amen.
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All that we went
through and how bad it was.
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My husband was afraid
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that I might commit
suicide when I left the house.
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Wow.
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That's how serious it was,
00:22:50.77\00:22:52.23
but if I hadn't
gone through that
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and my friend Penny
hadn't encouraged me,
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I never would have written
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'On Wings of Praise',
00:22:58.71\00:23:00.54
which has
completely revolutionize.
00:23:00.58\00:23:03.08
I have five or six
books on praise out
00:23:03.11\00:23:06.25
and people come up
all the time and say
00:23:06.28\00:23:09.05
that book did so
much for me, thank you.
00:23:09.08\00:23:11.99
And so, it
makes it all worth it,
00:23:12.02\00:23:13.82
no matter what I did.
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So that truly was your altar
in the middle of the river.
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Yes, absolutely. That's amazing.
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That's amazing, how powerful.
00:23:20.50\00:23:22.10
And also a really
interesting point to note, Kay,
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how often it is.
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I think it's in every instance,
we have a story to share.
00:23:27.34\00:23:31.61
And a story that needs telling
00:23:31.64\00:23:34.61
and especially
the tough stories,
00:23:34.64\00:23:37.11
even the ones that people
don't want to hear perhaps.
00:23:37.15\00:23:41.18
So I want to thank
you for the courage
00:23:41.22\00:23:42.55
that it took for you to
write a prodigal daughter
00:23:42.58\00:23:44.62
and deal with an
incredibly difficult subject.
00:23:44.65\00:23:49.56
I think that the only thing
we can really relate to others
00:23:49.59\00:23:53.46
is our own story.
00:23:53.50\00:23:54.83
Yes.
00:23:54.86\00:23:56.20
You know and God puts
you in that situation,
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at least He helped you
through that situation.
00:23:57.93\00:23:59.87
He didn't create the situation.
00:23:59.90\00:24:01.77
But He helped you
through that situation,
00:24:01.80\00:24:03.61
so you would have
that story to tell.
00:24:03.64\00:24:06.94
And when you don't tell it,
you're bottling it up inside
00:24:06.98\00:24:10.78
and it has to
come out eventually.
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Yes, and like he said,
sorry Pierre, like he said
00:24:12.68\00:24:16.38
go and tell how much
God has done for you.
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He gives each one
of us that invitation.
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We are almost out of time.
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Kay, we really enjoyed
our conversation with you.
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There are some people
who are watching today,
00:24:25.59\00:24:27.10
possibly they are in
one of those dark sections,
00:24:27.13\00:24:29.46
maybe like the
prodigal daughter,
00:24:29.50\00:24:30.87
maybe like the prodigal
son, maybe like you were.
00:24:30.90\00:24:33.64
What would you say to
them who are watching now
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or what would you
say to encourage them
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during this dark moment
that they're experiencing?
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Trust the promise,
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I know the plans I have for you.
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Trust that those promises
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are going to be carried through.
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And even when you don't feel it,
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say it again and
again to yourself.
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I put praise messages
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all over my
house on posted notes,
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so that I would remember
that the instant I began to go
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to the negative,
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I would remembered a praise.
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And I had to break a habit
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'cause I wasn't doing very well
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and I have to break a very
vicious habit of discouragement
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and it was through the praise.
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We have been talking today
with Kay Rizzo about her book,
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The Prodigal Daughter and
several of the other books
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that she has written.
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We've enjoyed our
conservation with her today.
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And one of the
things that she brought up
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that we really need to remember
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is that the story
of the prodigal son,
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even the story about
the prodigal daughter
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is more about how the
father feels about us.
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We need to get to the point
where we're clinging more to
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how the father feels about us
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and what's written in scripture
about us, about God's children
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as opposed to how we
feel about our situation.
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As Kay shared before,
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maybe some of us are
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in a very dark moment
in our lives right now.
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And those are the
times where you have to grind
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and find those
passages of scripture,
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find those promises of God
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to really pour
into the situation
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that you are feeling right now.
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And also that we don't
have to have our act together
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before the father
comes looking for us.
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That's the
amazing part of the story.
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Is that in the
middle of the challenges
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that we are facing,
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the father is looking for us
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and he has stationed
people to pray for us.
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And intercede for us,
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especially when we are
not interceding for ourselves.
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This has been another
episode of Stones of Remembrance
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and we've been
talking with Kay Rizzo,
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about her book
The Prodigal Daughter,
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and we just
want to encourage you
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whatever section of life
that you are in right now
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that you hold on
to the promise of God,
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and He will-- We guarantee
that He will give you a story,
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not only that you'll remember
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but that wil encourage someone,
00:26:45.37\00:26:47.00
someone else in their journey
00:26:47.04\00:26:49.04
and that story
needs to be shared.
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For Stones of Remembrance,
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I'm Pierre Quinn and for
my co-host Karen Pierson,
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thank you for watching
and we'll see you next time.
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