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James: We are coming
to the end of this Book
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and it has been quite a journey.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: We left off
in Daniel 12 verse 1,
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we didn't cover it all.
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There's something about this
book that we need to understand
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in relation to God's
people in the end of time,
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who are going to be delivered
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and I think
it's really important
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because we've spent so much time
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emphasizing these prophecies
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as they relate to
these earthly kingdoms
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and what they're trying to do
and how they're trying to up-end
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you know, the
sanctuary and the law of God
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and they're
confederating together
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and they're
controlling the world
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and influencing the world and
controlling the economy, etc.
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but we've got to
now at least emphasize
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how we escape from
all that. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: We've got to show
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what God has given
His people for an exit...
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an escape route so to speak
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and that's the very
word that Daniel uses.
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Daniel chapter 12 or
11... 11 verse 41 says,
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"these shall
escape" they'll be delivered
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so, what is this escape
that's being described here?
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Well, Daniel 12 verse 1 tells us
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but it's not
totally within that verse.
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The verse sets up
a basic outline...
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we need to go
into the Bible now,
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we need to find out
what that outline is,
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what is it that God's people are
going to be doing in this time.
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So, Jay, would you have
prayer for us as we get going
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and get into this, I say, "Jay"
but I mean "Jason" but Jays.
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Jason: That's fine,
Jay, yeah, it works.
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"Dear heavenly Father,
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we thank you for this
time that we have together
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to study Your Word, Lord,
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and as we go over this Lesson,
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Father, show us how
we can be delivered.
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In Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: I want to just open up to
Malachi chapter 3 really quick
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just to get us going here
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because I feel like...
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this is the last book
of the Old Testament...
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I feel like God has
put some words in here
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that are really
significant for our time
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and that's how we can
connect them to Daniel 12
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which we know is just ahead
of us when Michael stands up
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and talks about deliverance,
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so, if you could read Malachi
3, and let's just start...
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Yvonne, could
you start in verse 15
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and read verses 15
and 16 and 17 and 18...
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15 through 18, yeah.
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Yvonne: "So now we
call the proud blessed,
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for those who do
wickedness are raised up;
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they even tempt God and go free.
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Then those who feared the
Lord spoke to one another,
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and the Lord
listened and heard them;
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so a book of remembrance
was written before Him
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for those who fear the Lord
and who meditate on His name.
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'They shall be Mine,'
says the Lord of hosts,
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'On the day that I
make them My jewels.
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And I will spare them
as a man spares his own son
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who serves him. '
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Then you shall again
discern between the righteous
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and the wicked,
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between one who serves God
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and one who
does not serve Him. "
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James: There's a
lot of insight here
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just... just starting with
that last verse, you see that?
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There's a lack of discernment
between those who serve God
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and those who don't serve Him.
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In other words,
there's a power that's coming
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with religious guise
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and it's hard to
distinguish who's serving God
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and who isn't
serving God. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Is that... you
see that in the verse?
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Then you're going to return
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and you're going
to be able to discern
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between the
righteous and the wicked...
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between him that serves God
and him that doesn't serve God.
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So, right now, we
can't discern that.
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Everyone is
professing to serve God...
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everyone is saying,
"Well, I believe in God,
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do you believe in God?"
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"Yeah, I believe in God,
yeah, we all believe in God. "
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It's... it's...
it's... it's confusing,
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really, it's confusing
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because there's so much
religiosity in the world
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that isn't really
God's... Ivor: Wheat and tares.
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James: Yeah, wheat and
tares... wheat and tares
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and then as you go backwards
from there, you realize that...
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that one of the ways that
God's people are distinguished
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is through this
attitude of fearing the Lord
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and a lot of
times we talk about,
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you know, fearing the Lord...
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fear God... in fact,
the three angels' message
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in Revelation 14
has a clarion call
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under the
everlasting gospel to fear God.
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Yvonne: Right.
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"Fear God, and
give glory to Him. "
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But what does it
mean to fear God?
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Well, here's what it
means... practically speaking...
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okay, in verse 15 you read...
no... 14... 16 you read, sorry,
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in verse 16 you read that
they that fear the Lord...
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what did they do?
Yvonne: Spoke to one another.
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James: They spoke...
and... and the King James says,
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they spoke often one to
another. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: They spoke often
and what else did they do?
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The Lord hearkened and heard it
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and a book of remembrance
was written before Him
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for them that fear the Lord...
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so, it's repeated and did what?
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Jason: Meditate on
His name. James: Yes.
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They're not
meditating on the news...
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you know, which is...
it's hard not to do that...
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I mean, I had to cut
off my news Apps recently
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because I was just getting
hooked on so much stuff going on
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you can get swallowed up by it
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and then you just... all
you think about is the news
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and all the stuff
that's going on in the world...
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and you don't have
time to meditate on...
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and you know,
meditation is something that...
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it's an afterthought.
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You consume a book...
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you consume a... you know,
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a movie... a
study... whatever it is
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and then... have
you noticed that?
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Then the next day
you're thinking about it.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Thoughts come
about whatever it was
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that was on your
mind the day before...
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it comes and
you're thinking about it.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: So, whatever we are
focusing on and thinking about,
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we end up meditating on later on
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so, what God is
saying here is, He's saying,
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"If you fear Me...
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if you are those people
that are fearing the Lord,
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here's what's
going to be happening,
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you will be talking
about Me often... " right?
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: "You'll be
talking about Me often...
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not just talking
about Me some time...
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talking about Me often
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and you're going
to be meditating...
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you're going to be spending
so much time focused on Me
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that when you're...
when you're meditating...
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when thoughts
come into your brain,
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it's thoughts of
Me. " Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: You know how it is,
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when we spend a lot
of time on something,
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those thoughts come
back into our brain.
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When you were
building your house,
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what were you thinking
about when you were sleeping?
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Jason: Gut fact that I
was going to have to wake up
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and do it again.
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All: Laughter.
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James: Did I
make that door right?
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Did I hold it straight?
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What color paint
did I want to have?
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Ddddd... d... d... d...
how did we do it through...?
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You think... because
that's what you're doing...
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that's what you end
up thinking about...
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that's what you end
up dreaming about...
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that's what is on your
brain... just all of the time.
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I know, because we
had some of these Programs
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when you were
building your house
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and you were just off there
just thinking about the house.
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All: Laughter...
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James: That is our natural
tendency... and God is saying,
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"You know, there's a bunch of
people in the end of time... "
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I'm not going to say,
"a bunch of people... "
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I'm going to say,
"There's... I've got people
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in the end of time...
they don't know what to do...
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they're throwing
their hands in the air...
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they don't know what to do,
they don't know where to go,
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they don't know
where to turn... "
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and God is saying,
"Turn to Me... turn to Me... "
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spend time speaking
about Me... meditating on Me...
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focus on Me and
those meditations will come
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and you're going to be
Mine... I'm going to...
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you're going to...
when I make up my jewels,
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you're going to be
part of those jewels...
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I'm going to
write you in the Book. "
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See, right here it's
called the Book of Remembrance
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was written before Him...
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the Book of Remembrance
was written before Him...
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we're living in
a time, verse 15,
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when we call the proud happy...
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"when those that tempt
God are set up... " right?
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Jason: Hmmm...
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James: People that are godless,
people that are proud...
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people that have attitudes...
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that's who we're looking to
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and God is
saying... at that time,
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we need to focus on Jesus
because Jesus gets rid of pride.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Jesus gets
rid of wickedness...
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Jesus gets rid of ungodliness
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and as we focus on Him,
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we find ourselves
even meditating...
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meditating...
thinking of Him even more
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and pretty soon, other
things just kind of fall away
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and the anxiety and the
care... and the concerns...
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it just kind of falls away
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and we keep our focus on Jesus.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: This is what
God is directing us to do
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in order for us to get our
names written in that Book.
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Jason: We saw what
happened to King Nebuchadnezzar
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with his pride. James: Yes.
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Jason: Yeah, he had
a humbling experience.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And it led
him to his salvation
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which... I love that how
God will do whatever it takes.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: You know, and I
think one of the things is...
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it's going to be very
helpful for God's people
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in the end of time.
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We don't always
see it as helpful
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but I think it's
going to be helpful...
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is, you know, when the
beast powers in Revelation 13...
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the Sea Beast
and the Land Beast...
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when those two Powers...
they're earthly kingdoms...
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earthly Powers...
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when they make it so
you can't buy or sell...
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we're going to go, "Oh
no, what are we going to do?"
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Well, I'll tell you
what you're going to do...
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you're going to
stop wasting your time
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and all the things that
you normally waste your time
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buying and selling
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and you're going to have a
lot more time to focus on Jesus
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and think upon His name.
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We need to take advantage
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of what the world
thinks is a disadvantage.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: The world thinks... we're
going to cripple these guys...
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they're not going to
be able to buy or sell...
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and we're like... God's like,
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"Okay, I'm going to
use this to your advantage.
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All that stuff that
you're involved in...
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all that merchandising stuff
that gets in the way, you know,
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where you can't
wait till Sabbath's over
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so that you can go... and
you're having a hard time...
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all of that... is gone. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: "Now, take that
time and focus on Me. "
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It's going to be a
blessing in disguise
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and we can use it that way
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so, people... don't be afraid
of not being able to buy or sell
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because when that time comes,
Jesus' return is very soon
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so, don't worry about, you know,
way-down-the-road-type stuff
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now is the time to
get focused on the Lord
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and get into the Word of
God as you never have before.
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Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Yvonne: Yeah, and I
think we will constantly see
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the provision of the
Lord during that time
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which will reinforce our faith
because He's going to be...
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if you can't buy or sell...
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you're not going to
be able to have regular
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you know, amenities... so, the
Lord will have to provide that.
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James: Bread and
water will be sure.
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Yvonne: Yes... yes...
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James: I might not
get all my veggie stuff
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but I'll get bread and water...
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Yvonne: Get some bread
and water, there you go.
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James: That will be
good... that will be good...
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Yvonne: Amen... amen.
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Ivor: So, if you are...
if we pick up on this thought
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in Daniel 12 with the
names being written in the Book,
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and if we were to go back...
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the question is, "How do
we get our names in the Book?"
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right, if you go
back to Daniel 7 verse 8,
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we're going to see
this Book brought up again
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so, I wonder if someone can read
Daniel 7 verse 8 to verse 10.
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and I'm going to comment...
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so if you read verse 8,
just pause for a second,
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I'm going to comment,
but go ahead and read.
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Jason: Okay, "I was
considering the horns,
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and there was
another horn, a little one,
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coming up among them,
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before whom three
of the first horns
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were plucked out by the roots.
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And there, in this horn,
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were eyes like
the eyes of a man,
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and a mouth
speaking pompous words. "
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Ivor: Okay, so, we
have you know, identified
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this Little Horn Power
in... in last several Programs
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from Daniel 7 onward
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and identified
this as the Papacy,
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we have seen that
this Little Horn Power
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was to rule for 1260
years during which time
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he would
desecrate the sanctuary...
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he would persecute
the people of God, etc.
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now, watch these
next words, right,
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look at... read verse 9 and
just read that first clause.
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Jason: "I
watched... " you said, verse 9?
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Ivor: Yes.
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Jason: Okay, "I watched till
thrones were put in place... "
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Ivor: Okay, you can
pause right there...
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you can pause right there.
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What is he watching?
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James: He's watching this Power
that he's just been looking at,
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this Power that's
continued for 1260 years.
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Ivor: Absolutely... so
he's looking at this Power...
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so, that's what he...
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when he says, "I beheld
until I was watching this... "
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until he sees thrones set up.
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God ahead and read that.
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Jason: "And the
Ancient of Days was seated;
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his garment was white as snow,
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and the hair of His
head was like pure wool.
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His throne was a fiery flame,
its wheels a burning fire... "
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Ivor: And you can go
ahead and keep reading.
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Jason: Okay, "A
fiery stream issued
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and came forth from before Him.
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A thousand
thousands ministered to Him;
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ten thousand times ten
thousands stood before Him.
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The court was seated,
and the books were opened. "
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Ivor: All right, so,
here what we have happening...
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this Little Horn is
ruling... ruling... ruling...
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Daniel is
watching this Little Horn
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and then suddenly his
attention goes to heaven
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and what he sees is a
judgment scene being set up
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and books are opened, right,
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these are the
books... this is the same...
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these are the same
books that Daniel 12
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is going to be talking about.
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Everyone whose name is found
written in the book, right,
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so, Daniel is
setting us up to see...
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"Hey, when I get to Daniel 12,
I just want you to understand...
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this judgment... when it is
finished, Daniel 12 happens.
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Everyone that is
found written in the...
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when the judgment scene is over,
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when Daniel 7's
judgment scene is over,
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Daniel 12:1 can happen...
that make sense so far?
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James: Yeah.
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right, so, what
is this judgment scene?
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In fact, if you go
to Daniel chapter 8,
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Daniel chapter 8 zooms
in on this judgment scene.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right, this is
again describes the actions
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of the Little Horn...
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from verse 11...
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"Yea, he magnified himself
to the Prince of the host...
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by him the daily
was taken away...
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the place of His
sanctuary was cast down... "
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and this is when the
angel says that I heard...
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John... I'm sorry, Daniel says,
"Then I heard one saint speaking
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and another saint said unto
that certain saint which spake,
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'How long shall be the
vision concerning the daily...
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the transgression of desolation,
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to give both the
sanctuary and the host
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to be trodden under foot?'
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And he said unto me, 'Unto
two thousand three hundred days;
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then shall the
sanctuary be cleansed. '"
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Daniel 8 verses 13 and
14 is giving us an amplified...
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it's zooming in on Daniel 7...
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the verses we
just read in Daniel 7.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: The cleansing of
the sanctuary is synonymous
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with the books being opened
and the judgment being set.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:14:21.96\00:14:23.29
Ivor: Okay, so,
with that in mind,
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we now have to understand...
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well, what is the
cleansing of the sanctuary
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and how does that
relate to judgment?
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if we go back to
the book of Leviticus,
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we see the process of
the Old Testament sanctuary
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and in getting an
understanding of that process,
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we get an understanding
of what God is talking about
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right, what Daniel is
talking about in Daniel 7...
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Daniel 8 and Daniel 12.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: In the Old Testament,
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the Old Testament
sanctuary Service...
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the first part of that
Service was called the "Daily"
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this occurred in the
Outer Court and the Holy Place
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and the last part
of that Service...
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the Priest would go into
the Most Holy Place once a year.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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so, outside of
the Most Holy Place
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everything was done daily...
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only once in a year did he
go into the Most Holy Place...
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that was called
the Day of Atonement.
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So, what does all that mean?
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God was using the
sanctuary as an object lesson
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to teach His people
about the plan of salvation.
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In the Outer Court, there was
the lamb that had to be slain
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in order to attain
the forgiveness of sins.
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So, when a person sinned,
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they would put their hand
on the head of the animal...
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confess their
sins over that animal
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and in essence, they
were transferring their sins
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to that innocent animal.
00:15:54.25\00:15:55.68
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:15:55.72\00:15:57.05
The animal was killed
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and the blood now containing
the record of that person's sin
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was taken into the sanctuary.
00:16:02.89\00:16:05.03
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:16:05.09\00:16:06.43
Ivor: The person's sin had been
transferred to the sanctuary.
00:16:06.46\00:16:10.37
James: Represented
by the blood, yeah.
00:16:10.43\00:16:12.23
Ivor: This
happened... absolutely...
00:16:12.27\00:16:14.07
the record was in the blood.
00:16:14.10\00:16:15.87
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:16:15.90\00:16:17.74
Ivor: Right, the person
could go away forgiven, right,
00:16:17.77\00:16:21.81
but that was not
the end of the process
00:16:21.84\00:16:24.81
because on the Day of Atonement,
00:16:24.88\00:16:27.72
all the sins that had
been piling up in the sanctuary
00:16:27.75\00:16:31.89
were to be cleansed.
00:16:31.95\00:16:33.29
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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literally
sprinkled on the curtain...
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sprinkled on the curtain...
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that's where the record was kept
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between the Holy
and the Most Holy Place.
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Ivor: The cleansing...
exactly, this represented...
00:16:40.80\00:16:44.60
my name in a sense was
brought into the sanctuary
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through the blood.
00:16:48.04\00:16:49.37
James: Right. Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:16:49.40\00:16:51.01
Ivor: Right,
the record of my sin
00:16:51.04\00:16:52.67
covered by the blood
of Jesus is brought...
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so, my name... my
person is in the sanctuary
00:16:55.91\00:16:59.05
through the blood of this Lamb.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:00.98\00:17:02.42
Ivor: Right. James: Right.
00:17:02.45\00:17:04.05
Ivor: So, on the
Day of Atonement,
00:17:04.09\00:17:06.32
the priest would
cleanse the record of sin.
00:17:06.35\00:17:10.56
Now, think... I don't remember
if I've shared this before
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but I'm going to share it again.
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It's... it's...
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the difference between
what happened during the year
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and what happened on
the Day of Atonement, okay,
00:17:19.97\00:17:23.44
during the year,
Peter describes it this way,
00:17:23.47\00:17:26.61
so, Peter says in
Acts chapter 2 verse 38,
00:17:26.64\00:17:29.61
"Repent, and be
baptized every one of you
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in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins... "
00:17:32.61\00:17:35.15
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:35.18\00:17:36.52
Ivor: "And he shall receive...
00:17:36.55\00:17:37.89
you shall receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost. "
00:17:37.92\00:17:39.25
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:39.29\00:17:40.62
Ivor: In Acts 3:19, he
says, "Repent ye therefore,
00:17:40.66\00:17:44.03
and be converted,
00:17:44.06\00:17:45.39
that your sins
may be blotted out,
00:17:45.43\00:17:48.23
when the times of
refreshing shall come
00:17:48.26\00:17:52.47
from the presence of the Lord.
00:17:52.50\00:17:54.54
And He shall send Jesus Christ,
00:17:54.57\00:17:56.57
which before was
preached unto you. "
00:17:56.60\00:17:58.34
James: Hmmm...
00:17:58.37\00:17:59.71
Ivor: So, one aspect
of the ministry of Jesus
00:17:59.74\00:18:02.54
is the remission of sins.
00:18:02.58\00:18:03.91
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:18:03.95\00:18:05.28
Ivor: The other aspect
is the blotting out of sins.
00:18:05.31\00:18:07.15
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:07.18\00:18:08.72
Ivor: During
remission, you're not cured...
00:18:08.78\00:18:10.65
it can always come back.
00:18:10.69\00:18:13.39
James: Right.
00:18:13.42\00:18:14.96
Ivor: When it's
blotted out, you're cured.
00:18:14.99\00:18:16.32
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:16.36\00:18:18.06
Ivor: The daily services...
when Jesus died on the cross,
00:18:18.09\00:18:23.03
that was the fulfillment
of the daily services...
00:18:23.06\00:18:25.53
the Outer Court
and the Holy Place.
00:18:25.57\00:18:27.70
Ivor: Jesus is our High Priest
00:18:27.74\00:18:29.70
who has entered into the
sanctuary on our behalf...
00:18:29.74\00:18:33.68
we are forgiven
of our sins, amen.
00:18:33.71\00:18:36.78
Yvonne: Amen.
00:18:36.81\00:18:38.15
Ivor: But we're
only in remission, guys,
00:18:38.18\00:18:40.68
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:40.72\00:18:42.05
Ivor: You understand...
we're only in remission.
00:18:42.08\00:18:44.22
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:18:44.29\00:18:45.62
Ivor: We can choose to pick
up that alcohol bottle again...
00:18:45.65\00:18:48.82
we can choose to go
out and smoke again...
00:18:48.86\00:18:51.33
we can choose to
pick up our sins again.
00:18:51.36\00:18:53.80
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:53.83\00:18:55.30
Ivor: The Day of Atonement
00:18:55.33\00:18:57.17
symbolized the
final work of Christ
00:18:57.20\00:19:00.54
in blotting sin out so
that it never rises again.
00:19:00.57\00:19:04.51
James: Hmmm...
00:19:04.54\00:19:06.34
Ivor: This was the phase
in which the priest would go
00:19:06.37\00:19:09.94
from Holy Place
to Most Holy Place.
00:19:09.98\00:19:12.11
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:12.18\00:19:13.52
Ivor: In this
final phase of ministry,
00:19:13.55\00:19:15.65
the children of Israel had
to be confessing their sins
00:19:15.68\00:19:18.65
and had to be focused on
the work of the High Priest
00:19:18.69\00:19:21.62
in the... in the Most Holy Place
00:19:21.69\00:19:23.22
and when he came out
00:19:23.26\00:19:24.59
at the end of
the Day of Atonement,
00:19:24.63\00:19:26.43
he would put all the
sins he had collected,
00:19:26.46\00:19:29.73
place it on the
head of the scapegoat
00:19:29.76\00:19:32.10
and send the
scapegoat out into isolation.
00:19:32.13\00:19:35.77
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:35.80\00:19:37.14
Ivor: Out into a desolate place.
00:19:37.17\00:19:39.07
The sins had
then been blotted out
00:19:39.11\00:19:40.98
and you never have to
think about them again,
00:19:41.01\00:19:43.11
they would not
come to memory anymore.
00:19:43.14\00:19:45.08
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:45.11\00:19:46.45
Ivor: I think you guys remember
the garbage pail analogy
00:19:46.48\00:19:48.48
that I used... the
garbage analogy that I used
00:19:48.52\00:19:50.62
many Programs ago, right,
00:19:50.65\00:19:52.89
we put the garbage out in our
kitchen... I mean, in our houses
00:19:52.92\00:19:56.39
we put the garbage
out night after night.
00:19:56.42\00:19:57.89
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:57.93\00:19:59.46
Ivor: Our house is clean
00:19:59.49\00:20:00.96
but we still have a
memory of the garbage, right?
00:20:01.00\00:20:02.53
Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:20:02.56\00:20:05.57
Ivor: Because
one day of the week
00:20:05.63\00:20:07.90
the day of Garbage Atonement...
00:20:07.97\00:20:10.61
we have to take all the garbage
00:20:10.64\00:20:13.24
and put it out in
the front of the house
00:20:13.27\00:20:15.78
where the garbage truck comes
00:20:15.81\00:20:17.95
and takes it out
into a desolate place...
00:20:17.98\00:20:20.42
then, we never have to
think about the garbage again.
00:20:20.45\00:20:23.32
James: If you live in the city.
00:20:23.35\00:20:25.05
Ivor: If you... All: Laughter.
00:20:25.09\00:20:26.76
Ivor: Yes.
00:20:26.79\00:20:28.22
James: Just a little reminder
that if you live in the country,
00:20:28.26\00:20:29.82
you haul it to the dump...
that's why I got a truck.
00:20:29.86\00:20:33.70
Ivor: So, that was how the
process of salvation worked.
00:20:33.73\00:20:37.57
This is what's
happening in a larger scale.
00:20:37.60\00:20:39.13
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:20:39.17\00:20:40.70
Ivor: The final
phase of Christ's ministry
00:20:40.74\00:20:43.00
is the blotting
out of sins where He...
00:20:43.04\00:20:45.81
He moves in a sense from
His Holy-Place-Phase of ministry
00:20:45.84\00:20:50.08
to His Most-Holy-Place-Phase
of ministry.
00:20:50.11\00:20:52.68
James: Hmmm...
00:20:52.71\00:20:54.05
Ivor: So, a lot of
people will often say,
00:20:54.08\00:20:55.68
"Well, does that mean that
Jesus was not at the right hand
00:20:55.75\00:20:58.05
of the Father...
00:20:58.09\00:20:59.42
He wasn't in the Most
Holy Place when He ascended?"
00:20:59.45\00:21:01.09
Ivor: Well, first of
all, when Jesus ascended,
00:21:01.12\00:21:03.76
He went to the
right hand of the Father.
00:21:03.79\00:21:05.59
No question about it but
the right hand of the Father
00:21:05.63\00:21:08.70
is not a... is not a location...
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James: A literal location...
00:21:11.30\00:21:12.87
Ivor: Right, it's a
position of authority.
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James: Exactly.
00:21:15.37\00:21:16.71
Ivor: It's a
position of... of closeness...
00:21:16.74\00:21:18.47
this is my
right-hand man, right...
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this is not like standing next
to the Father and never moving,
00:21:20.74\00:21:23.91
"I'm at the
right hand... " no...
00:21:23.95\00:21:25.51
it's a symbol of His
closeness to His Father.
00:21:25.55\00:21:28.15
James: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:21:28.18\00:21:29.52
Ivor: So, whether He ascended...
He ascends into the Holy Place
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and then moves
into the Most Holy...
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He is still at
the right hand of God.
00:21:34.82\00:21:37.16
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:37.23\00:21:38.69
Ivor: Right,
what happened in 1844
00:21:38.73\00:21:41.00
is simply that Christ
moved from one phase of ministry
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to His final phase of ministry
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which is symbolized
by the Most Holy Place
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to wipe away all sins
00:21:51.37\00:21:53.34
so that Daniel 12:1 will happen.
00:21:53.38\00:21:56.78
Those that are found
written in the book...
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those who have been
confessing their sins...
00:21:58.91\00:22:00.95
those who have been pleading
with God, "Blot out my sins... "
00:22:00.98\00:22:04.39
knowing the work
He's doing now...
00:22:04.45\00:22:06.39
when this happens
and when it's completed
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then, Jesus returns...
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that's how your names are
found written in the book.
00:22:11.39\00:22:14.13
James: Yeah, and it's
really important, Ivor,
00:22:14.16\00:22:16.06
to just... add to
what you're saying,
00:22:16.10\00:22:18.27
Leviticus 16 is
the chapter, right?
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That's the chapter
that you would want to read
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to understand
the Day of Atonement
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and there were two goats...
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there was the Lord's goat
and then there was the scapegoat
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you know, it's a lot of
terms we use from the Bible
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in our modern language today...
00:22:32.31\00:22:33.65
you know, the term scapegoat...
"Don't make me a scapegoat"
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the scapegoat is
what you describe
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would bear all those sins out
into a land... a desolate land
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and a lot of people
think that Adventists believe
00:22:44.09\00:22:47.80
that because the
scapegoat represents Satan
00:22:47.83\00:22:50.60
and not the Lord's goat,
00:22:50.63\00:22:51.97
that we think somehow
Satan is our atonement
00:22:52.00\00:22:56.77
or involved in our atonement...
00:22:56.81\00:22:58.14
but we need to
remember one thing
00:22:58.17\00:22:59.51
and make it very clear.
00:22:59.54\00:23:00.88
Hebrews 9:22 says that
Without the shedding of blood,
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there is no remission of sins.
00:23:03.68\00:23:05.85
The scapegoat did
not shed its blood.
00:23:05.88\00:23:08.32
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:23:08.35\00:23:09.78
James: Satan represents or
takes responsibility for sin
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but he doesn't die for sin
in the sense of shedding blood.
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He doesn't make a
sacrifice for sin...
00:23:15.89\00:23:17.79
he doesn't make an
atonement for sin...
00:23:17.83\00:23:19.66
he's responsible for it
00:23:19.69\00:23:21.26
and God puts that
responsibility back on him...
00:23:21.30\00:23:23.16
that's the symbolism there.
00:23:23.20\00:23:24.53
The Lord's goat is the
one who sheds his blood
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and that represents Jesus Christ
00:23:27.27\00:23:29.00
and the only name under
heaven whereby men must be saved
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is the name of Jesus Christ,
00:23:32.31\00:23:34.81
there's no other
name under heaven...
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I love that verse...
00:23:36.21\00:23:37.55
there's no other
name under heaven...
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not your name... not my
name... not the Pope's name...
00:23:38.95\00:23:41.48
not... not the priest's name...
00:23:41.52\00:23:42.98
no one else... no one else
but the name of Jesus Christ...
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He's the only
way we can be saved
00:23:46.05\00:23:47.46
so, Satan is in no way
part of our atonement...
00:23:47.49\00:23:50.99
he is simply responsible...
00:23:51.03\00:23:52.59
he's given responsibility
00:23:52.63\00:23:54.16
for every sin he's
tempted us to commit.
00:23:54.20\00:23:55.83
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:23:55.86\00:23:57.20
Ivor: Yeah, and let
me add in here, James,
00:23:57.23\00:23:58.67
I want to add in here two things
00:23:58.70\00:24:00.34
because I know people
are going to write and say,
00:24:00.40\00:24:02.27
"But wait a minute...
the book of Hebrews says...
00:24:02.30\00:24:04.14
Jesus entered into
the Most Holy Place. "
00:24:04.17\00:24:05.94
So, I just want to...
00:24:05.97\00:24:07.51
we don't have time to
really go through it in detail
00:24:07.54\00:24:09.71
but we can simplify in this way,
00:24:09.74\00:24:12.05
the term for Most Holy Place
is used in Hebrews chapter 8...
00:24:12.11\00:24:20.76
James: Nine...
Ivor: Nine is it? Nine...
00:24:20.79\00:24:22.29
James: Yeah.
00:24:22.32\00:24:23.66
Ivor: Where Paul describes
the articles of furniture
00:24:23.69\00:24:26.70
in the Most Holy
Place. James: Yeah.
00:24:26.73\00:24:29.20
Ivor: Every other time...
00:24:29.23\00:24:30.57
and you got to be
careful with your translations,
00:24:30.60\00:24:33.70
every other time that
the word "sanctuary" is used
00:24:33.74\00:24:36.30
in the book of Hebrews
and Jesus and the sanctuary...
00:24:36.34\00:24:38.91
it is referring to
either the Holy Place
00:24:38.94\00:24:42.91
or the sanctuary as a whole.
00:24:42.94\00:24:45.45
The book of Hebrews never states
00:24:45.51\00:24:47.92
that Jesus went
into the Most Holy Place,
00:24:47.98\00:24:50.32
in fact, the only time Paul
speaks about the Most Holy Place
00:24:50.35\00:24:53.46
he then says,
00:24:53.49\00:24:54.82
"of which we cannot speak
at this particular time. "
00:24:54.86\00:24:57.53
He literally says, "We're not
talking about that right now.
00:24:57.59\00:25:01.06
We need to focus
on where Jesus is... "
00:25:01.13\00:25:02.90
and then he goes on to
talk about the Holy Place...
00:25:02.93\00:25:05.20
the Holy
Place... the Holy Place.
00:25:05.23\00:25:06.57
Some translations translate
it as the Most Holy Place...
00:25:06.60\00:25:09.90
it is not translated as that.
00:25:09.94\00:25:12.01
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
well, it's not in the Greek.
00:25:12.04\00:25:14.14
Ivor: Not in the
Greek, that's what I mean.
00:25:14.18\00:25:17.25
James: Every translation
translates somewhere in Hebrews
00:25:17.28\00:25:20.48
Most Holy Place
including the New King James...
00:25:20.52\00:25:22.98
the only translation
that's faithful to the Greek is
00:25:23.02\00:25:25.82
the good old
King James Version...
00:25:25.85\00:25:27.92
the only one...
so I tell people,
00:25:27.96\00:25:29.96
"I'm not trying to bash people
00:25:29.99\00:25:31.93
with the
King-James-only type of ideology
00:25:31.96\00:25:33.80
but I tell people, "Have a
King James Version of the Bible
00:25:33.83\00:25:35.80
in your library... "
00:25:35.83\00:25:37.17
have a King James Version in
your library for a Study Bible
00:25:37.23\00:25:39.83
so that you can reference that
in relation to other versions
00:25:39.87\00:25:42.74
because most
versions of the Bible
00:25:42.77\00:25:44.24
are based on the
Nestlé's... the Wesley...
00:25:44.27\00:25:46.27
Westcott... Hort-Westcott...
00:25:46.31\00:25:48.01
not the Textus Receptus
00:25:48.04\00:25:50.11
and they are two
different manuscripts
00:25:50.15\00:25:51.65
and you're going to see some
major differences between them
00:25:51.68\00:25:54.12
so you need...
00:25:54.15\00:25:55.48
because when you go through
Hebrews in the King James,
00:25:55.52\00:25:57.12
the only place, like you said
is... is Hebrews 9 and verse 3,
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Paul's argument...
00:26:00.82\00:26:02.96
I know you said you
didn't want to get into this
00:26:02.99\00:26:04.33
but I just want to get
into it for a little bit.
00:26:04.36\00:26:06.19
Ivor: Get into... get
into it. Yvonne: Laughter.
00:26:06.23\00:26:08.10
James: The argument that
is made in the book of Hebrews
00:26:08.13\00:26:10.57
is not whether or not
Jesus went to the Holy Place
00:26:10.60\00:26:12.70
or the Most Holy Place.
00:26:12.73\00:26:14.07
That's not the argument
of the author of Hebrews.
00:26:14.10\00:26:16.37
Ivor: That's right.
00:26:16.40\00:26:17.74
James: His argument
is that Jesus went...
00:26:17.77\00:26:19.34
that we're going from the
earthly to the heavenly...
00:26:19.37\00:26:21.21
the earthly to the heavenly...
the earthly to heavenly,
00:26:21.24\00:26:23.04
he's talking to
Hebrews who are like,
00:26:23.08\00:26:24.65
stuck on the earthly sanctuary.
00:26:24.68\00:26:26.28
He's saying,
"No, no, no, no, no,
00:26:26.31\00:26:27.85
we're... we're in heaven now
00:26:27.88\00:26:29.25
we're in heaven now,
we're in heaven now...
00:26:29.28\00:26:30.99
let me tell you,
this earthly sanctuary...
00:26:31.02\00:26:32.69
it was a type of the heavenly
and that's where Jesus is...
00:26:32.72\00:26:34.52
that's where Jesus is. "
00:26:34.59\00:26:36.16
If we want to
try to use Hebrews...
00:26:36.19\00:26:37.73
Ivor: There was no controversy,
00:26:37.79\00:26:39.19
there was no controversy about,
00:26:39.23\00:26:40.63
"Is He in the
Holy or Most Holy?"
00:26:40.66\00:26:42.03
That's not what
Paul was addressing.
00:26:42.06\00:26:43.40
James: Yeah, if we
want to use Hebrews to argue
00:26:43.43\00:26:44.77
whether He's in the
Holy or the Most Holy,
00:26:44.80\00:26:46.13
we can't do it because
that was never in the context
00:26:46.17\00:26:48.57
of what is being written
here by the author of Hebrews...
00:26:48.60\00:26:52.37
never there...
00:26:52.41\00:26:53.74
so, that's something we really
need to clarify when we talk...
00:26:53.78\00:26:57.31
and by the way, the
book of Hebrews is key
00:26:57.35\00:26:59.45
to unlocking the sanctuary
00:26:59.48\00:27:01.18
especially for New
Testament believers.
00:27:01.22\00:27:02.85
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:27:02.88\00:27:04.22
Ivor: Yeah, and... and
this was the other point
00:27:04.25\00:27:05.59
I was going to make.
00:27:05.62\00:27:06.96
The reason why most people
don't understand the sanctuary
00:27:06.99\00:27:09.66
is because of the
work of the Little Horn.
00:27:09.69\00:27:12.06
James: Obscuring it.
00:27:12.09\00:27:13.96
Ivor: It's the work of
the Little Horn obscuring it
00:27:14.00\00:27:16.93
so, people are
like, "What sanctuary...
00:27:16.97\00:27:18.73
what are you talking
about? Heavenly temple...
00:27:18.77\00:27:20.10
and the process
of salvation... "
00:27:20.14\00:27:21.74
they have no clue...
00:27:21.77\00:27:23.20
and remember
the sanctuary was...
00:27:23.24\00:27:24.97
is God's relationship room...
00:27:25.01\00:27:27.11
His At-one-ment room
00:27:27.18\00:27:29.24
so, people aren't understanding
or studying the sanctuary
00:27:29.28\00:27:32.48
because it's been...
00:27:32.51\00:27:33.92
it's been just,
you know, obscured...
00:27:33.95\00:27:37.35
yeah, the stuff we're
saying sounds strange, huh...
00:27:37.39\00:27:41.76
James: It's all
through the Bible.
00:27:41.82\00:27:43.22
Ivor: But it's
all through the Bible.
00:27:43.29\00:27:44.76
James: Yeah, all the way
through... Genesis to Revelation
00:27:44.79\00:27:47.16
sacrificial service...
sanctuary... the lamb...
00:27:47.20\00:27:49.86
all the way through to
the very end of the Book,
00:27:49.90\00:27:52.47
it's all there...
00:27:52.50\00:27:53.84
"Thy way, O God, is
in the sanctuary... "
00:27:53.87\00:27:55.70
so, praise God...
00:27:55.74\00:27:57.07
praise God He's given us that.
00:27:57.11\00:27:58.44